Wickham animal lab plans thrown out (From Daily Echo)

I trust the animal activists are pleased as it is likely that the research will now move to another country, but ones where the conditions of animal welfare are sadly lacking. There are plenty of research opportunities in places such as North and South Korea and once you have operated on the animal it can be used as your tea.

I feel that these protesters whilst trying to protect animals from harm simply put them in greater peril buy forcing companies to take covert action, surely it is better to have these life saving experiments carried out in a country where they have ethics over animal welfare, or will they all refuse to make use of the gains in science in treatment and cure for diseases which this research has provided.

STAY LOCAL- im afraid your sadly mistaken. British labs are not in any way more "humane" or better than any other! There are numerous undercover footage of animal testing labs carrying out disgusting acts on animals and these are considered ok and legal by our government! burning, torturing for mascara, hair spray, shampoo, etc etc. Animal experiments are between 5-25% accurate whilst non-animal based experiments have been proven to be over 85% accurate! Now who would you put your life in the hands of? a mouse, dog, cat or new accurate technology? this country needs to step out of the dark ages. Animal testing is sick and disturbing!

Quite right too, this place could have been used to test Swine Flu vaccines on guinea pigs, much better to test it on children.

I live in Upham and attended the planning meeting which turned down this application. The use of the building for animal testing etc. was not the reason it was refused, the size and inappropriate siting was the reason. The building was half the size of a football pitch and 9.5 metres high surrounded by a 3metre security fence and lighting. This was proposed for a rural setting in the proposed national park. There is nothing in Upham even remotely of this size. If built it would have changed this beautiful area forever.

t0777 wrote:
STAY LOCAL- im afraid your sadly mistaken. British labs are not in any way more "humane" or better than any other! There are numerous undercover footage of animal testing labs carrying out disgusting acts on animals and these are considered ok and legal by our government! burning, torturing for mascara, hair spray, shampoo, etc etc. Animal experiments are between 5-25% accurate whilst non-animal based experiments have been proven to be over 85% accurate! Now who would you put your life in the hands of? a mouse, dog, cat or new accurate technology? this country needs to step out of the dark ages. Animal testing is sick and disturbing!

So you believe that by banned experimentation in the UK the problem will go away, you feel that animals suffer undue harm, what about animal conditions in other countries, just across the channel it is ok to eat horse and donkey meat (which slips into our food chain) many countries have no animal welfare provision so research labs could work in unrestricted ways.

Can you give the date of the release of this underground footage if it is from longer than 5 years ago it can no longer be considered as relevant evidence of harm, you also need to explain what was the purpose of the testing if it was smoking beagles then you are looking at practices that ceased some 20 years ago, if it is soap in the eyes then it is role of the make up industry. I do recall a release of dogs from a research lab where the effect was to increase the danger to other animals as the dogs were being used to fine a cure for canine illnesses.

I agree that animal testing is not nice, the question is would you rather have it in a country where there is restrictions and protest groups or in a country not fettered by such niceties.
Currently there is research looking at the use of stem cells and this is using animals, it is true that they may not truly reflect how this will work in the human population but it is providing good evidence before we move to the next stage.

Remember animal testing gave rise to such little benefits such as the prevention of diphtheria, treatment for diabetes mellitus, tuberculosis, polio, leprosy.

It has also helped the animal population rabies, anthrax, glanders, Feline immunodeficiency virus (FIV), tuberculosis, Texas cattle fever, Classical swine fever (hog cholera), Heartworm and other parasitic infections.

Progress is now continuing with research into repairing spinal cord injuries, Alzheimer's disease, multiple sclerosis.

t0777 wrote:
STAY LOCAL- im afraid your sadly mistaken. British labs are not in any way more "humane" or better than any other! There are numerous undercover footage of animal testing labs carrying out disgusting acts on animals and these are considered ok and legal by our government! burning, torturing for mascara, hair spray, shampoo, etc etc. Animal experiments are between 5-25% accurate whilst non-animal based experiments have been proven to be over 85% accurate! Now who would you put your life in the hands of? a mouse, dog, cat or new accurate technology? this country needs to step out of the dark ages. Animal testing is sick and disturbing!

If you make fundamental factual errors you just make yourse a dumb hypocrite. There is NO testing in this country for cosmetics - it is illegal and has been for some time now, so get it right. Testing in the UK is firstly to protect people from the hideous consequences of a drug's side effect and secondly to help bring treatments forward more quickly. You call it sick and disturbing - I ask you to take that view to the parents of some of the children in Great Ormond Street being treated for codnitions so awful it would be hard to imagine. Or perhaps you live in a world where you would prefer that thousands are crippled by the slow absorption of a harmful chemical rather than see it banned after being tested on mice. You would crumble in the face of such a reality, because your views are based on a totally false and invented picture that for some peculiar reason you desperately cling onto despite being told it is false. If you were more knowledgable you might campaign against L'oreal the cosmetic company who fought against an EU directive banning animal testing for cosmetic purposes.

Vivisection- why put animals through it?


Better to test any new drugs and vaccines on the worst kind of criminal scumbag lifers. Whilst accepting that some good does out of some testing, I'm not happy that millions of animals have been tortured, killed or kept in small cages for their miserable lifespan.


Apart from the fact that most of these animals do not share our genetic make-up and many mistakes have been made. Even long term testing on human volunteers cannot be 100% reliable


It is a big business with loads of money chucked at these labs and highly paid boffins by drugs companies with vested interests.