New move to back hunting ban (From Daily Echo)

has Blair not put in so many loop holes to the ban there would not be this problem. Either ban fieldsports all together or let them be.

Condor Man wrote:
has Blair not put in so many loop holes to the ban there would not be this problem. Either ban fieldsports all together or let them be.

Blair put the loop holes in because he shares similar politics to CaMoron.

In my view Fox hunting should be banned. Like Bear baiting , **** fighting and fighting with dogs.
Controlled shooting for land management and fishing is ok.

I can see a benefit in reducing vermin as relates to farming, but I find the idea of dressing up and making a sport of it is fairly repulsive.

One's involvement in the death of any animal should be tested by whether it provides entertainment. This can't be accounted for in law, unfortunately.

The anti-hunt legislation was merely an attempt by Blair to keep his party members loyal to him. MPs voted in accordance with the party whip - probably the most undemocratic parliamentary processes in the world. Cameron is right to propose a free vote. Let's take it one step further and have a national ballot. Then we really would find out if the pro-hunting suggestion that 76% support blood sports is actually true!

Hunting with hounds has no place in a civilised society. Noanimal should be torn to pieces in the name of " sport". The ban must remain in place!
This is one voter that won't vote Conservative because of this issue, and I know of a lot more.

If the labour government had not wasted so much time in trying to ban Fox hunting they might have had time to run the country properly instead of leaving us in this mess.
Of course the act should be repealed it is an unworkable law brought in as a matter of class hatred not as a measure to protect an animal which is vermin and kills other animals for pleasure not for food.
If he is true to his word on this Cameron will get my vote.

So many people on here make claims and stances borne out of sheer ignorance but prefer to persist in them rather than allow reality and pragmatism to interfere with their dogmatic urban prejudice. Once again we see the myth that "controlled shooting" is preferable. no it isn't, because as any informed countryman knows a direct kill is very rare - because animals do not just wander in to shot, so who wants to pay someone to sit motionless in a ditch for weeks on end on the off change that for a subsecond the perfect shot will just fall into place? It's dumb isn't it when you actually stop to think ot though rather than trotting out this tired old fiction. If you wing an animal it will run off to die a slow agonising death - which tbh is the fate of most wild animals anyway although townies like to imagine wild creatures resting their heads after long peaceful lives, but still. Then of course Farehamred almost falls over himself to allow his class prejudice to spill out, which is probably why he thinks the unspeakable horror of the slaughterhouse is somehow ok for animals so long as he doesn't actually have to think about how his bacon arrived in the supermarket. So was the panic stricken animal driven across Europe in a packed lorry from Denmark or shall we hope it was butchered in a factory first after days of being herded from one pen to another? Well who cares eh FarehamRed so long as it was killed by a working class man just doing his job with the boltgun eh?
I don't even hunt but I can see that anyone who has never raised a finger in protest at coarse angling but gets wound up by fox hunting is just a hypocrite.

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
So many people on here make claims and stances borne out of sheer ignorance but prefer to persist in them rather than allow reality and pragmatism to interfere with their dogmatic urban prejudice. Once again we see the myth that "controlled shooting" is preferable. no it isn't, because as any informed countryman knows a direct kill is very rare - because animals do not just wander in to shot, so who wants to pay someone to sit motionless in a ditch for weeks on end on the off change that for a subsecond the perfect shot will just fall into place? It's dumb isn't it when you actually stop to think ot though rather than trotting out this tired old fiction. If you wing an animal it will run off to die a slow agonising death - which tbh is the fate of most wild animals anyway although townies like to imagine wild creatures resting their heads after long peaceful lives, but still. Then of course Farehamred almost falls over himself to allow his class prejudice to spill out, which is probably why he thinks the unspeakable horror of the slaughterhouse is somehow ok for animals so long as he doesn't actually have to think about how his bacon arrived in the supermarket. So was the panic stricken animal driven across Europe in a packed lorry from Denmark or shall we hope it was butchered in a factory first after days of being herded from one pen to another? Well who cares eh FarehamRed so long as it was killed by a working class man just doing his job with the boltgun eh? I don't even hunt but I can see that anyone who has never raised a finger in protest at coarse angling but gets wound up by fox hunting is just a hypocrite.

Fishing is not a posh sport so thats OK with the Labour Party

farehamred wrote:
Hunting with hounds has no place in a civilised society. Noanimal should be torn to pieces in the name of " sport". The ban must remain in place!
This is one voter that won't vote Conservative because of this issue, and I know of a lot more.

Nor has boxing,wrestling,swo
rd fighting,horse racing,greyhound racing get a life

Dont worry.....all fox hunting will still be banned. Tory Boy wont get in. Its just hypathatical.

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
So many people on here make claims and stances borne out of sheer ignorance but prefer to persist in them rather than allow reality and pragmatism to interfere with their dogmatic urban prejudice. Once again we see the myth that "controlled shooting" is preferable. no it isn't, because as any informed countryman knows a direct kill is very rare - because animals do not just wander in to shot, so who wants to pay someone to sit motionless in a ditch for weeks on end on the off change that for a subsecond the perfect shot will just fall into place? It's dumb isn't it when you actually stop to think ot though rather than trotting out this tired old fiction. If you wing an animal it will run off to die a slow agonising death - which tbh is the fate of most wild animals anyway although townies like to imagine wild creatures resting their heads after long peaceful lives, but still. Then of course Farehamred almost falls over himself to allow his class prejudice to spill out, which is probably why he thinks the unspeakable horror of the slaughterhouse is somehow ok for animals so long as he doesn't actually have to think about how his bacon arrived in the supermarket. So was the panic stricken animal driven across Europe in a packed lorry from Denmark or shall we hope it was butchered in a factory first after days of being herded from one pen to another? Well who cares eh FarehamRed so long as it was killed by a working class man just doing his job with the boltgun eh?
I don't even hunt but I can see that anyone who has never raised a finger in protest at coarse angling but gets wound up by fox hunting is just a hypocrite.

So many people on here make claims and stances borne out of sheer ignorance but prefer to persist in them rather than allow reality and pragmatism to interfere with their dogmatic urban prejudice ...... I don't even hunt....
Pull the other one - got something to hide ?

"vermin and kills other animals for pleasure not for food"
A fox kills everything it can and, unless disturbed will generally take it away and bury it for harder times - I believe the only animals that kill for pleasure are humans (and possibly cats?)
If it is necessary to kill foxes (is it necessary?) I can't see hunting like this is the "nicest" way to do it but a quick kill on the few occasions a hunt is successful is at least guaranteed - the alternative is foxes trapped in snares, gassing, shot (with a likely long lingering death) or any other illegal method a farmer can employ?
I have never hunted not do I intend to, but I do fear this is more of a perceived rich vs poor issue and destruction of one more piece of British tradition than a workable solution to pest control.

THis may be a bit hard for you to grasp Eric so I'll say it nice and slowly for you so that it sinks in. I do not hunt. Never have. Not sure why that should be such a hard concept to grasp but perhaps you are a bit hard of thinking.

I wish people got as wound up and organized about cruelty to children in our society as they do about fox hunting. As a townie, I think the fox-hunting debate should be left to the countryfolk.

Lone Ranger wrote:
Dont worry.....all fox hunting will still be banned. Tory Boy wont get in. Its just hypathatical.

If you believe that the sensible people of this country will give Labour another term in government, then you are sadly missing the point about the foxhunting debate.
The labour party has and always will be a party of knee-jerk reactions to minor problems, and then throw OUR money at the major problems that arise in the meantime.
I have been around long enogh to remember the disaster they left last time they were thrown out

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
So many people on here make claims and stances borne out of sheer ignorance but prefer to persist in them rather than allow reality and pragmatism to interfere with their dogmatic urban prejudice. Once again we see the myth that "controlled shooting" is preferable. no it isn't, because as any informed countryman knows a direct kill is very rare - because animals do not just wander in to shot, so who wants to pay someone to sit motionless in a ditch for weeks on end on the off change that for a subsecond the perfect shot will just fall into place? It's dumb isn't it when you actually stop to think ot though rather than trotting out this tired old fiction. If you wing an animal it will run off to die a slow agonising death - which tbh is the fate of most wild animals anyway although townies like to imagine wild creatures resting their heads after long peaceful lives, but still. Then of course Farehamred almost falls over himself to allow his class prejudice to spill out, which is probably why he thinks the unspeakable horror of the slaughterhouse is somehow ok for animals so long as he doesn't actually have to think about how his bacon arrived in the supermarket. So was the panic stricken animal driven across Europe in a packed lorry from Denmark or shall we hope it was butchered in a factory first after days of being herded from one pen to another? Well who cares eh FarehamRed so long as it was killed by a working class man just doing his job with the boltgun eh? I don't even hunt but I can see that anyone who has never raised a finger in protest at coarse angling but gets wound up by fox hunting is just a hypocrite.

What a load of bovine excrement, more suited to my compost heap!
"I don't even hunt but I can see that nayone who has never raised a finger in protest at coarse angling but gets wound up by fox hunting is just a hypocrite."
There are two big differences Andy!
The aim of fox hunting is to kill the fox, and it is done in the name of SPORT!!!
With fishing it is done to either catch the fish and then release it or catch it an eat it!
If the huntsmen were made to eat the fox after it had been caught, then maybe, just maybe there would be more support!
There are now more foxes living in towns than in the countryside, because food is more plentiful there. Surveys have proved that then number of foxes in an area controlled naturally by the amount of food available for them.
If these huntsmen want to claim the high moral ground by saying that they are killing off vermin, I would suggest that they would be doing a better job of it by replacing their hounds with Jack Russel terriers and make a start at reducing the rat population that seems to be on the increase! There are far more diseases spread by rats that ever there has been by foxes!