‘Oust those who backed fluoride’ (From Daily Echo)

Good idea. They should not only oppose those who supported fluoridation of our water but also those who sat on the fence.
As already stated I will do my best to help John Sppotiswoode in Southampton Itchen.
If all the left of centre parties get together and throw their weight behind John Sppotiswoode in Itchen area against other three right of centre parties (NuLabour, Tories and Lib-Dems), who also happen to be all over the place on fluoride issue, there can be a possibility of making a big impact upon the election result. But will they get together and give up pseudo lefty tribalism? I am not too sure. But I am certain that unless they do it history will judge us on the left very harshly.

Much as I'm not a fan of the MPs who opposed it, they ARE allowed an opinion! Just as are people who are pro-fluoride.

I'm fully in favour of the public campaigning against this if they see fit (as many have done), and the health authorities should listen to opposition on this but bully boy tactics won't win them any favours!

I have an opinion based on a scientific background,objective research by qualified bodies in this country and not by peculiar selective knee jerk scaremongering single issue pressure groups and religious extremism in the USA dressed up as environmental concern. So Paramjit, regardless of your own prejudice do you want politics to be dominated and driven by the obsessives mounting campaigns of disinformaiton and hysteria or by the careful rational analysis of objective truth? You seem to be in favour of the former - I am surprised at you.

Is this guy Spottiswoode the same one who wanted to open drug shelters for addicts in Woolston ?.........now theres a choice !!!. I wonder if Paramjit Bahia would have supported him if he wanted them in Lordswood
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Now let me think flouride supporter or drug shelter supporter.....ummmmm
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John S would be a fantastic MP for Southampton Itchen. (and before you all say, yeah but you live in Eastleigh, I work in Southampton Itchen).
John is a totally honest and principled guy without a hint of spin.
He would listen to the constituents rather than issue government dictates.
Although I'm not totally convinced by the idea of shooting galleries, (I think it was a bit of an own goal) at least he's prepared to look at unpopular issues rather than shy away from them or bury them in stats and spin.
He has some BACKBONE - which is what we desperately need in an MP.
He is also experienced, having been a Labour county councillor in Suffolk.
I suggest everyone whose fed up and disillusioned with the current MP, should rally around John Spots.

stuartjebbitt wrote:
John S would be a fantastic MP for Southampton Itchen. (and before you all say, yeah but you live in Eastleigh, I work in Southampton Itchen).
John is a totally honest and principled guy without a hint of spin.
He would listen to the constituents rather than issue government dictates.
Although I'm not totally convinced by the idea of shooting galleries, (I think it was a bit of an own goal) at least he's prepared to look at unpopular issues rather than shy away from them or bury them in stats and spin.
He has some BACKBONE - which is what we desperately need in an MP.
He is also experienced, having been a Labour county councillor in Suffolk.
I suggest everyone whose fed up and disillusioned with the current MP, should rally around John Spots.

Sorry, wasn't it John Denham who resigned because he was vehemently opposed to the war in Iraq? backbone he has.... damned if you do, damned if you don't....

I agree with LR, Spottiswode is magnificent at spin and got completely drubbed with his daft ideas about drug shelters and the way he puts himself across....hardly comes across as the most rational of people IMHO! Suffolk? hmm yeah that has so many comparisions with an inner city doesn't it LOL

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

stuartjebbitt wrote:
John S would be a fantastic MP for Southampton Itchen. (and before you all say, yeah but you live in Eastleigh, I work in Southampton Itchen).
John is a totally honest and principled guy without a hint of spin.
He would listen to the constituents rather than issue government dictates.
Although I'm not totally convinced by the idea of shooting galleries, (I think it was a bit of an own goal) at least he's prepared to look at unpopular issues rather than shy away from them or bury them in stats and spin.
He has some BACKBONE - which is what we desperately need in an MP.
He is also experienced, having been a Labour county councillor in Suffolk.
I suggest everyone whose fed up and disillusioned with the current MP, should rally around John Spots.

Sorry, wasn't it John Denham who resigned because he was vehemently opposed to the war in Iraq? backbone he has.... damned if you do, damned if you don't....

I agree with LR, Spottiswode is magnificent at spin and got completely drubbed with his daft ideas about drug shelters and the way he puts himself across....hardly comes across as the most rational of people IMHO! Suffolk? hmm yeah that has so many comparisions with an inner city doesn't it LOL

He resigned, and now in the cabinet, and the deaths in Iraq continue....so a bit of an empty gesture really. He obviously didn't feel THAT strongly about it.

can the city council also stop the people of southampton being sprayed by chemtrails just as criminal as fluride,we are being governed by criminals.

damien thorn wrote:
can the city council also stop the people of southampton being sprayed by chemtrails just as criminal as fluride,we are being governed by criminals.

Damien to STOP it they would have to ADMIT that this is happenening,sadly i dont think they would even acknowledge it.....

john spottiewoode has my support to, i dont know if he make a good mp but it be worth the people time in the itchen constituency to try him out. it could send a message to the other 3 main partys, and some times that all thats needed.

southy wrote:
john spottiewoode has my support to, i dont know if he make a good mp but it be worth the people time in the itchen constituency to try him out. it could send a message to the other 3 main partys, and some times that all thats needed.

Exactly! It would send a message to Westminster that we care about democracy even if they don't.
The introduction of Fluoride is clearly against the wishes of the local people, but despite their opposition, it's being pushed through by a bunch of unelected individuals, the majority of home don't live in the area.

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
I have an opinion based on a scientific background,objective research by qualified bodies in this country and not by peculiar selective knee jerk scaremongering single issue pressure groups and religious extremism in the USA dressed up as environmental concern. So Paramjit, regardless of your own prejudice do you want politics to be dominated and driven by the obsessives mounting campaigns of disinformaiton and hysteria or by the careful rational analysis of objective truth? You seem to be in favour of the former - I am surprised at you.

Andy, I have made my position on fluoride clear before. I am not an expert on this subject.
I oppose it because it is a known fact that fluoride is poison, overdose of which can create serious problems. Accidents do happen, despite the assurances given. People were assured Three Mile Island, Bhopal, Svaso and Chenoble etc were all super-safe.
Only recently accident involving fluoride occurred in Australia and even in the UK.
My other reason for objecting is same as mentioned by stuartjebbitt. It is about democracy.
Overwhelming majority of people consulted opposed fluoridation of drinking water. But while willing to bomb other nations under the excuse of promoting democracy, this government, of which John Denham is an important member, has taken no action against the unelected quangocrats for ignoring the democratically expressed views. All John did was to request quango to hold on for a bit. Knee jerk lip service.

Lone Ranger wrote:
Is this guy Spottiswoode the same one who wanted to open drug shelters for addicts in Woolston ?.........now theres a choice !!!. I wonder if Paramjit Bahia would have supported him if he wanted them in Lordswood . Now let me think flouride supporter or drug shelter supporter.....ummmmm .

Lone Ranger, I am not aware of John Spottiswoode’s views on drug shelters. Personally I have always been most strongly opposed to drug culture. It may not have been popular thing to do, but I even respected China executing British citizen found guilty under their law of drug smuggling. In my view it is sad fact that our government that is not exactly famous for the care of disabled elderly and mentally handicapped, tried to turn a drug smuggler into a hero. Which is hardly surprising considering many top brasses in the government and opposition are well known for being former dope smokers themselves? Didn’t John Denham only recently admit that he too is a former dope smoker?

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

stuartjebbitt wrote: John S would be a fantastic MP for Southampton Itchen. (and before you all say, yeah but you live in Eastleigh, I work in Southampton Itchen). John is a totally honest and principled guy without a hint of spin. He would listen to the constituents rather than issue government dictates. Although I'm not totally convinced by the idea of shooting galleries, (I think it was a bit of an own goal) at least he's prepared to look at unpopular issues rather than shy away from them or bury them in stats and spin. He has some BACKBONE - which is what we desperately need in an MP. He is also experienced, having been a Labour county councillor in Suffolk. I suggest everyone whose fed up and disillusioned with the current MP, should rally around John Spots.

Sorry, wasn't it John Denham who resigned because he was vehemently opposed to the war in Iraq? backbone he has.... damned if you do, damned if you don't.... I agree with LR, Spottiswode is magnificent at spin and got completely drubbed with his daft ideas about drug shelters and the way he puts himself across....hardly comes across as the most rational of people IMHO! Suffolk? hmm yeah that has so many comparisions with an inner city doesn't it LOL

Hello Freemantle Girl 2, Did you not only recently post that you are no longer member of New Labour and will be voting Green? Well John Spottiswoode is prominent member of your Green Party, so it is surprising to read what you are saying now. Is it another NuLabourish U turn?
My view? I have known both Johns (D and S) for a very long time; I fully support Denahm on some issues and disagree with him on others. He is very good at helping his constituents with their complaints, but is politically unreliable.
Please correct me if I am wrong, was he not the member of another party on the right of Labour then became prominent part of the left of old Labour and got even Militants to support him against Bryan Gould? Then became Blairite and now Brown’s supporter. Yes I have congratulated him upon some of the good things he has done and also often publically disagreed with him on many issues.
I have also known John Spottiswoode for a long time. I have always found him to be very honest and consistent. He also works very hard and is very experienced.
Out of the two I think John Spottiswoode will be better candidate.

This should be about the science and not if you like or dislike John. Andy Lock is so far from gods answer for the objective truth it is a joke.
Try lookings at what most of europe has done about fluoridation after objective review. Never started or ended after dismal results.
The WHO data for cavityu reduction for the last 3 decades has shown a trend at cavity reduction equal for fluoridation and non. It was also reducing before fluoridation started in the few who do. The same is true for every single state and DC in the US in CDC data which also is available for all to see. Fluorideaction network.com has this and a video by Dr Osmunson where he shows the data. Hard science not spin and cherry picked claims.
In the US most large cities were fluoridated first and after about 60 years have increasing cavities in most inner cities. The poor have poor nutrition and little dental care in the US which is the problem as most are fluoridated. Dental fluorisis is a pandemic of real proportions and only fluoride overdose before age 9 is the cause. Its not just the water as many more foods are now fluoride rich from processing and pesticides. Even fumigation is now done with fluoride termite poisons leaving huge residuals in storage and processing facilities. In the US it is legal to leave up to 70ppm fluoride in any processed grain product. From 70-130 for specific grains. Dried eggs up to almost toothpaste levels of 900ppm. Not a typo. Over 200 food gtroups may now be fumigated all unmentioned to the public. This was fast tracked under claim it was not a greenhouse gas like methyl bromide. Three years later we found out DOW lied as it is one of the worst and long lived also.
The EPA science unions fight to halt fluoridation and required their building not receive any fluoridated water. This started in 1985 when they documented fraud and altered documents and management refused to correct. In 2000 they asked congress to halt fluoridation in open hearings with no response. iN 2005 11 epa Unions asked for immeidaite halt whith new cancer data from five doctors at Harvard. No response. In 2008 19 unions asked with no response. 2006 The 12 member NRC said by 12-0 vote the max level is not protective and must be reviewed downward. No EPA management response yet. The Union scientists did the risk assesment and the proper goal is ZERO exactly like arsenic and lead of about the same toxicity. Their maxes are 10ppb arsenic and lead 15ppb but fluoride 4000ppb with 1000 typically added. It is a cumulative toxin and healthy kidneys reject only 50% and your bones and soft tissue store the rest for a lifetime. Listen to the 10,000 scientist EPA whistle blowers not political appointies who only read talking points.

Once again Jim Schultz gets carried away. Brushing with fluoridated toothpaste has marked beneficial impact on dental caries, and this has been backed by just about every western nation's health organisation but because the issue of fluoridation has been polarised because of single issue cranks and imbeciles the debate is now being distorted to present ALL forms of fluoride as having no benefit. When individual dentists or doctors are named you know you are dealing with the single issue nutters.
By the way, Paramjit, what about chlorine - that's a poison too.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: Is this guy Spottiswoode the same one who wanted to open drug shelters for addicts in Woolston ?.........now theres a choice !!!. I wonder if Paramjit Bahia would have supported him if he wanted them in Lordswood . Now let me think flouride supporter or drug shelter supporter.....ummmmm .

Lone Ranger, I am not aware of John Spottiswoode’s views on drug shelters. Personally I have always been most strongly opposed to drug culture. It may not have been popular thing to do, but I even respected China executing British citizen found guilty under their law of drug smuggling. In my view it is sad fact that our government that is not exactly famous for the care of disabled elderly and mentally handicapped, tried to turn a drug smuggler into a hero. Which is hardly surprising considering many top brasses in the government and opposition are well known for being former dope smokers themselves? Didn’t John Denham only recently admit that he too is a former dope smoker?

Paramjit....firstly i dont think this or any other Government would try and make a hero from a drug smuggler. I feel that it was more about the compassion re execution which was the issue....As regards this governments record re disabled, and mentally handicapped, from personal knowledge i know that there has been far more help and assistance over the las five or so years than the prvious ten or so. I think that this also highlights that the medical profession are still learning in these unfortunate areas particulary the mind.......What can you admit to in years gone by??.....we all have skeletons i am sure of that...perhaps you have even had the odd joint to smoke !!!
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John S may be a fine chap in your book, but there again most them are if they are not in the mainstreem parties or bnp by your standard. You have picked on one immotive subject that is easy for him to stand out on...what else has he got apart from this and his unpopular drug idea...is he like so many would be politicians a "one trick pony"

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
Once again Jim Schultz gets carried away. Brushing with fluoridated toothpaste has marked beneficial impact on dental caries, and this has been backed by just about every western nation's health organisation but because the issue of fluoridation has been polarised because of single issue cranks and imbeciles the debate is now being distorted to present ALL forms of fluoride as having no benefit. When individual dentists or doctors are named you know you are dealing with the single issue nutters.
By the way, Paramjit, what about chlorine - that's a poison too.

one thing andy when bushing your teeth you not ment to swallow, some tooth pastes have a little leaflet pack inside the box, and there is a health warning on this label not to comsume this tooth paste because it contains fluoride.

Jim Schultz is exactly correct. Considering the severe health destruction caused by fluoridation, one must follow the money trail to find any reason to use it (hint: big industries selling their toxic waste fluoride).
See (www.fluoridealert.o
rg) for current scientific research on fluoridation's danger to health, such as cancer, brittle bones, thyroid destruction, reduced IQ, etc.
Many research studies show fluoridation is ineffective, including 14 years of data from 17 countries by the World Health Organization and very large studies in Tucson, AZ, New Zealand, Japan and India.
The latest was recently published by a dentist in the main U.S. Dental Journal (JADA). You should go read it yourself.
____________________
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"JADA Study Proves Fluoridation is Money down the Drain"
NEW YORK, Sept. 29, 2009
Children's cavity rates are similar whether water is fluoridated or not, according to data published in the July 2009 Journal of the American Dental Association by dentist J.V. Kumar of the NY State Health Department(1),
(http://www.prnewswi
re.com/news-releases
/jada-study-proves-f
luoridation-is-money
-down-the-drain-6257
2357.html)

Lone Ranger wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: Is this guy Spottiswoode the same one who wanted to open drug shelters for addicts in Woolston ?.........now theres a choice !!!. I wonder if Paramjit Bahia would have supported him if he wanted them in Lordswood . Now let me think flouride supporter or drug shelter supporter.....ummmmm .

Lone Ranger, I am not aware of John Spottiswoode’s views on drug shelters. Personally I have always been most strongly opposed to drug culture. It may not have been popular thing to do, but I even respected China executing British citizen found guilty under their law of drug smuggling. In my view it is sad fact that our government that is not exactly famous for the care of disabled elderly and mentally handicapped, tried to turn a drug smuggler into a hero. Which is hardly surprising considering many top brasses in the government and opposition are well known for being former dope smokers themselves? Didn’t John Denham only recently admit that he too is a former dope smoker?

Paramjit....firstly i dont think this or any other Government would try and make a hero from a drug smuggler. I feel that it was more about the compassion re execution which was the issue....As regards this governments record re disabled, and mentally handicapped, from personal knowledge i know that there has been far more help and assistance over the las five or so years than the prvious ten or so. I think that this also highlights that the medical profession are still learning in these unfortunate areas particulary the mind.......What can you admit to in years gone by??.....we all have skeletons i am sure of that...perhaps you have even had the odd joint to smoke !!! . John S may be a fine chap in your book, but there again most them are if they are not in the mainstreem parties or bnp by your standard. You have picked on one immotive subject that is easy for him to stand out on...what else has he got apart from this and his unpopular drug idea...is he like so many would be politicians a "one trick pony"

I can assure you I have not 'had the odd joint'. In fact I do not even smoke.
I do not pretend to be a saint, just happen to be a socialist.
Luckily I am allergic to tobacco smoke, which has saved me from various things.
John D's dope was only mentioned because John S's alleged support of drug shelters was raised. Which JS may also say was matter of not supporting drug taking but compassion for the addicts/victims of drug dealers.
To the best of my knowledge neither of the two Johns is "One trick pony" both are exceptionally capable men. In my dealings with both of them I find both to be men with exceptional abilities and I respect them both. But in my view John S is politically more consistent, while D on various issues has been all over the place. Hence I support John Spottiswoode against John Denham.

what a load of rubbish, the problem wouldn't have arisen had the government not forced so many dentists to go private as they have in the past 12 years. That and the inability of people to look after their teeth.

jwillie6 wrote:
Jim Schultz is exactly correct. Considering the severe health destruction caused by fluoridation, one must follow the money trail to find any reason to use it (hint: big industries selling their toxic waste fluoride).
See (www.fluoridealert.o

rg) for current scientific research on fluoridation's danger to health, such as cancer, brittle bones, thyroid destruction, reduced IQ, etc.
Many research studies show fluoridation is ineffective, including 14 years of data from 17 countries by the World Health Organization and very large studies in Tucson, AZ, New Zealand, Japan and India.
The latest was recently published by a dentist in the main U.S. Dental Journal (JADA). You should go read it yourself.
____________________

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"JADA Study Proves Fluoridation is Money down the Drain"
NEW YORK, Sept. 29, 2009
Children's cavity rates are similar whether water is fluoridated or not, according to data published in the July 2009 Journal of the American Dental Association by dentist J.V. Kumar of the NY State Health Department(1),
(http://www.prnewswi

re.com/news-releases

/jada-study-proves-f

luoridation-is-money

-down-the-drain-6257

2357.html)

Stupid, peculiar obsessive Americans....this issue began over the principle of mass medication - the efficacy of fluoride on dental caries was never questioned - that's why for many years we've all happily allowed our families to brush their teeth with it, you dork. Net negative impact? None so far, afer all these years of brushing with colgate and it doesn't matter how many of your peculiar action groups and conspiracy theorists you cite, the truth is that national medical associations in country after country have shown that fluoride benefits teeth - especially young vulnerable teeth. You can argue against mass medication and I can fully understand people's objections on those grounds but you have stupidly and irresponsibly started inferring that fluoride a) has no benefit at all and b) is actually bad for people. Both of these statements are garbage and not only that but you are 3000 miles away and have absolutely no knowledge of the chemistry of our water, our social demographic and economic structure. You are ignorant, arrogant and uninformed and quite frankly it is none of your goddammed business. You have no referential material whatsoever. The UK does not need Americans - especially unqualified autodidact americans (look it up) to preach medical efficacy to us. You are the country that does not offer its citizens free healthcare at the point of need, and allows its richest citizens to purchase a longer life while allowing its poorest to die. We provide healthcare to all - perhaps that is why fluoride to everyone reagardless of ability to pay is maybe quite an egalitarian concept. Very un-american in fact.

Condor Man wrote:
what a load of rubbish, the problem wouldn't have arisen had the government not forced so many dentists to go private as they have in the past 12 years. That and the inability of people to look after their teeth.

go back to the late 80's and early 90's, thats when they was force to go private, in the last 12 years things just have not help at all to coax the dentists back again.

andy some tooth pastes have a health warning on a little leaflet in side the box, not to swallow toothpaste it contains fluoride, even when you go to a dentist he gives you this reddy pinkish colour liquid that contains fluoride and he tells you to spit it out too

Paramjit Bahia:
If you think John Spottiswoode is a good candidate you need to look a bit harder. His 'qualifications' to talk about scientific issues are non-existent - he is steeped in homeopathy which is complete and utter pseudo-scientific nonsense.

As to your views on China's recent carrying out of the death penalty, they are odious, and you misrepresent the facts when you say the British government tried to make a hero out of a drug smuggler. I believe you know this, but are so steeped in spin yourself that you are unable to separate facts from fiction.

Andy Locks Heath's post is spot on.

Finally, shouldn't we ALL be looking at voting for candidates who make the most sense on the whole spectrum of local issues - not just considering a knee-jerk response on this one single issue?

walkingonawire.
homeopathy there's more to this than meets the eye, many nhs doctors do the same, allowing the body to heel it self where ever it can, helps to keep up your immune system working the way it should. and uses pseudo's them selfs but the trick is not to let the patient know.
i have mix feeling's on china on that subject, yes the government did try and turn this around, but it was a bit harsh there punishment, but thats the law in china and when you go to other country's you do need to respect there law.
when you vote for a mp your voting for national interest not local that the job of the councilors
i did like andy post to

Andy Lock is living proof stupid and arrogant often go with poor listening skills. Sort of true both sides of the pond.
Fluoridealert.org has I think over 20 researchers all listed with comments that the truth appears benefit is topical with no measurable mechanism of benefit by ingestion. Also none can show mechanism of topical benefit in the 1ppm range but they can at 1000ppm and above as in toothpaste. Downside is ADA does admit most young kids swallow so much it causes much of the dental fluorisis. This is not a win win for the young.
Fluoridation is a lose lose as Professor Shelton the chairman of the York Review 2000 had to remind. No proof of safety from data and little benefit if any. It clearly showed 15% dental fluorosis before fluoridation but 48% with fluoridation and 12.5% ugly enough to require cosmetic repairs out of pocket of course. A leading researcher in Canada Dr. Hardy Limeback admits it was folly based upon ignorance he supported fluoridation. When he looked closer at the data it causes more damage then benefit. Same is true of any ingested fluoride supplement which their dental association now warns against. But they still endorse fluoridation as if it is different.
Why would so many EPA science unions bang their heads against management and congress with no financial gain to win?
Go to a study testing dentists in two states with shocking ignorance proven of current fluoride science. Yoder K.M. 2007 Indiana is easy to see at pubmed.com a official government index. 83% of the dentists got it wrong the 86% in Illinois. This testing was by a dental association researcher who mentioned proper advise could not be given until dentists better understood the current theory. The ADA is the main reason they get it wrong as their policy supports fluoridation. A tiny percent of US dentists actually treat the poor on government plans who often find no care. In my county 4 of over 200 dentists accept the government pay plan of medicair and after many years we now have one public health dentist. The health department told the newspaper 45,000 of the 50,000 poor kids are underserved. Most never treated. Fluoridation is the cover story that they give a red rats behind about the poor. They may care but not enough to actually lose money treating them. Dental incomes have shot past doctors from way behind 20 years ago. Cosmetic repairs have pushed that income up and fluoride toxicity creates porous discolored brittle teeth with delayed eruption which causes them malaligned and real money makers for the life of the person. We have more dentists in fluoridated cities and they make more money. The Jada noted this back in 1972 and the CBS almanac noted in 1976 dentists per 100,000 double in the first 3 fluoridated cities over the unfluoridated. Certainly this is all food for thought in a functioning mind. What is your rant Sir Andy.

There is no smoking gun is why. There aren't people falling over with fluoride poisoning in the UK last time I looked, not that you would know one way or the other - because Americans won't travel outside their own country to find out because they are too scared of terrorism (even though they paid to keep it going in Northern Ireland for 25 years). Well I'll tell you - there aren't people showing ill effects - there are no autopsies showing fluoride poisoning as even a contributor even though I know and you know that anyone who uses toothpaste swallows toothpaste and they've been doing it for 50 years now. So are people sick or dying? I don't think so. The only sick people round here are the obsessives like yourself and JWillie - People who think the world was made 4500 years ago. People who think aliens abduct them on a regular basis. People who pay millions to TV evangelists and snake oil salesmen. People who will pay billions on having their teeth straightened, filed, capped and whitened and then laugh at us because they think our teeth are "bad" by comparison. People who don't believe in free health care..... yet can't stand it when we offer it to everyone. Yep I'm sure you'd like everyone to pay for their medicine and healthcare. Perhaps you just can't stand the idea of giving it out for free in water. Over here we do things diferently. Maybe that's what you and that scientology freak Jwillie can't stand - we medicate for free. young and old, rich and poor. Sure we put fluoride in water. Maybe we should put vitamins and minerals as well and make sure all our children are healthy. It's ironic isn't it - in the land of the morbidly obese what is it you obsess about most?............wat
er.

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
There is no smoking gun is why. There aren't people falling over with fluoride poisoning in the UK last time I looked, not that you would know one way or the other - because Americans won't travel outside their own country to find out because they are too scared of terrorism (even though they paid to keep it going in Northern Ireland for 25 years). Well I'll tell you - there aren't people showing ill effects - there are no autopsies showing fluoride poisoning as even a contributor even though I know and you know that anyone who uses toothpaste swallows toothpaste and they've been doing it for 50 years now. So are people sick or dying? I don't think so. The only sick people round here are the obsessives like yourself and JWillie - People who think the world was made 4500 years ago. People who think aliens abduct them on a regular basis. People who pay millions to TV evangelists and snake oil salesmen. People who will pay billions on having their teeth straightened, filed, capped and whitened and then laugh at us because they think our teeth are "bad" by comparison. People who don't believe in free health care..... yet can't stand it when we offer it to everyone. Yep I'm sure you'd like everyone to pay for their medicine and healthcare. Perhaps you just can't stand the idea of giving it out for free in water. Over here we do things diferently. Maybe that's what you and that scientology freak Jwillie can't stand - we medicate for free. young and old, rich and poor. Sure we put fluoride in water. Maybe we should put vitamins and minerals as well and make sure all our children are healthy. It's ironic isn't it - in the land of the morbidly obese what is it you obsess about most?............wat

er.

You are so clueless as to sound foolish. You make glib illogical statements with no data as if they are rational. Why exactly do you believe 19 EPA unions have asked congress to halt fluoridation? These are the professionals that have science skills to make toxic risk assesments that have been ignored by management.
As a side issue one of the big causes of obesity is low thyroid function. The 2006 NRC showed if iodine was also low only .7mg of fluoride could lower thyroid function. Daily dose is many times this even in non fluoridated cities now because of pesticides and fluoride water in processing food. Foods that are mixed wet and then baked or dried often have much higher fluoride levels then 1ppm.
The huge increase in HFCS now has double bind data proving frutose creates more fat in body cavity and blood as it processes differently then glucose. Empty calories in sugar drinks are a big cause especially in the young. I was trying to stick to topic before of fluoride and toxicity.