Prime Minister accused of empty promises on fluoride (From Daily Echo)

The Prime Minister makes empty promises full stop !!!

Flouride is not good for our pets, who have no say in there water

How will Fluoride in the toilet and the washing machine reduce rotten teeth?

If the children brushed their teeth and had less sugar, THAT would reduce rotten teeth.

How will adding Fluoride to the water make that happen?

Brown's obsession with controlling our lives will be his downfall. That and his total inability to run a strong economy.

Kids don't drink that much water they usually drink fizzy soft drinks high in sugar. The only time they'd see a benefit is when they're actually cleaning their teeth...which is pointless as the toothpaste would have flouride in it anyway!

Still we'll go with whatever the dictatorship wants!

Who REALLY gives a toss about this??
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Personally, I'd hope the Prime Minister had bigger things to deal with than whether flouride is put in water.
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If more lazy parents sent their kids to dentists round here, it wouldn't even be an issue.
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Typical of rent-a-tory Julian Lewis to have an opinion about something outside of his consituency. You'd think after the shameful claiming of expenses he did, he'd have the decency to keep his opinions to himself.

Does Mr. Gordon Brown realise he is annexing the public to his so called reforms. Even his little soldiers are hanging on by their fingernails. The people of Britain do not necessarily want riches, but a steady hand in controlling our economy - we are strong enough to manage our own family, however frugal, but we really do look at your own outlay - and when we hear you are cutting to the 'quick' your own finances, we will have a lack of trust in your sincerity.

goard

Oh dear me Nothing to say. You obviously do "give a toss" to have posted what you said.
Adding a poison to our water supply is just not on - and has been rejected by the majority of those it will affect.
And, although I usually have little time for Julian Lewis' ideas, on this one he is spot on. And, again, you are wrong as the area to be poisoned by this proposal does include a sizable portion of his parliamentary constituancy.

'Baroness Thornton, Labour’s health spokesman in the House of Lords, said the Government “continues to support” the controversial scheme.
'But Mr Denham attempted to play down the remarks made by Baroness Thornton, describing them as “not particularly significant”.'
Surely Mr Denham would not play to the voters, would he?
5 Years of hardly a word and all of sudden he is all over the local rag like a rash! Does he think we are stupid?

This only proves that trusting Gordon Brown or his side kicks in New Labour is pushing the luck bit too far.
Why have they got Baroness Thornton health spokeswoman if according to John Denham what she says is “not particularly significant”. If prominent member of this ultra right wing government like John Denham thinks that his party’s own representatives should not be taken seriously then a: why appoint them in those positions? B: If they themselves do not attach any significance to these statements then why should rest of the nation take this whole New Labour seriously?
By the look it there is a civil war going on within the higher ranks of New Labour government, they are busy undermining each other and we as a nation are going to pay a very heavy price. That is if we can survive their trying to poison us with fluoride!

quote ""The city’s two MPs, John Denham and Dr Alan Whitehead, have called for the project to be shelved in the face of massive opposition."" unquote.
they are only objecting or to be shelved it at the moment because of a general election has been on the cards for a while.
and mp dr julian lewis is thinking the same, the tory's are all for putting fluoride in the water too has are the libs.
most political partys are all for putting fluoride in the water, apart from ukip, greens and the socialist party (part of the cnwp) who name i think will be tusc ( trade unionist & socialist coalition )

You lot are all playing with fire - after the Republican victory in Massachussets Abbot and Costello - - sorry Jim Schultz and JWillie - will be on this site to tell you the thoughts of specially selected millionaire US physicians and dentists whose private medical practices are sustained by a healthy level of caries. Be warned - here they come.

In water, there exists calcium chloride, but fluoridation meant the introduction of sodium fluoride which would have serious effects on adults. "If adults are going to drink this stuff, they will get all types of diseases in later years", and I bitterly oppose the idea. Not my words, but those of the late (I assume), Dr.A. T. Westlake. JP of Ringwood and Fordingbridge branch of the then, Rural District Councils Association, in a move to by the Droxford branch RDC, to gain support for the introduction of fluoride to drinking water on a National basis, back in 1962.
A Miss E. A. Chamberlayne of Winchester said that the dentists had only looked into fluoridation from their own point of view and not from the medical viewpoint.
the secretary of the branch Mr. H.O.Wood said that in talking about fluoridation, they were dealing with a small time-bomb. "Apart from the medical side" he went on, "there is the impassioned opposition which arises with the principle of indocrination of the human being against his will.

PS It's amazing what little gems are found while tidying the loft, like old copies of the ECHO.

Denham said the following.
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Quote;-: “The Government supports in principle the fluoridation of water but believes decisions should be taken at a local level.

“I don’t believe that fluoridation should go ahead unless there is public support for doing so.” .................so as it stands to date it is not going ahead..irrespective of what Baroness Thornton has said.
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Julian, mr expenses, Lewis will jump
on any bandwagon, so you can ignore his contribution.
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However, what is interesting is the other quote from the above article.......
Quote;- However, the majority of Southampton city councillors supported the scheme when the authority held a free vote on the issue.
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Now thats interesting....to think that the Tories on the council aren't saying too much against it are they. So all of your condemning Labour i dont see you doing much about slagging off the Tory council.
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Lets face it i am sure that Moulton and Smith will soon have their pics in the Echo as they wont want to miss this opportunity...or will they.
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Oh and please dont mention the word Referendum ......

Nothing to say wrote:
Who REALLY gives a toss about this??
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Personally, I'd hope the Prime Minister had bigger things to deal with than whether flouride is put in water.
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If more lazy parents sent their kids to dentists round here, it wouldn't even be an issue.
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Typical of rent-a-tory Julian Lewis to have an opinion about something outside of his consituency. You'd think after the shameful claiming of expenses he did, he'd have the decency to keep his opinions to himself.

I agree spot on in every way!

However, it does show that the overwhelming majority do not want to put it in the water, and I will go with the majority in that we live in a democracy. Don't care about wild arguments from the US, scaremongering and whatever. I suspect more is being made out of this than needs to be, for people's own ends and Julian Lewis is the biggest crocked hypocrite going!

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

Nothing to say wrote:
Who REALLY gives a toss about this??
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Personally, I'd hope the Prime Minister had bigger things to deal with than whether flouride is put in water.
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If more lazy parents sent their kids to dentists round here, it wouldn't even be an issue.
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Typical of rent-a-tory Julian Lewis to have an opinion about something outside of his consituency. You'd think after the shameful claiming of expenses he did, he'd have the decency to keep his opinions to himself.

I agree spot on in every way!

However, it does show that the overwhelming majority do not want to put it in the water, and I will go with the majority in that we live in a democracy. Don't care about wild arguments from the US, scaremongering and whatever. I suspect more is being made out of this than needs to be, for people's own ends and Julian Lewis is the biggest crocked hypocrite going!

freemantle crocked hypocrite tut tut, dont you mean very misleading.

jd only said what he said because he knew that a general election could be called at any time, at first he stayed quiet about it has did whitehead.

good point on southampton tory council lone-ranger

Lone Ranger wrote:
Denham said the following. . Quote;-: “The Government supports in principle the fluoridation of water but believes decisions should be taken at a local level. “I don’t believe that fluoridation should go ahead unless there is public support for doing so.” .................so as it stands to date it is not going ahead..irrespective of what Baroness Thornton has said. . Julian, mr expenses, Lewis will jump on any bandwagon, so you can ignore his contribution. . However, what is interesting is the other quote from the above article....... Quote;- However, the majority of Southampton city councillors supported the scheme when the authority held a free vote on the issue. . Now thats interesting....to think that the Tories on the council aren't saying too much against it are they. So all of your condemning Labour i dont see you doing much about slagging off the Tory council. . Lets face it i am sure that Moulton and Smith will soon have their pics in the Echo as they wont want to miss this opportunity...or will they. . Oh and please dont mention the word Referendum ......

Yes Conservatives may possibly be able to exploit this situation, but whose fault is it? And do you really think that Conservatives are actually that clever? And even if they try to pull a trick I certainly will not trust a Tory.
It is not those who are commenting on this site, but John Denahm doing his usual thing i.e. publically back stabbing one of his own colleagues, which has started this. Sadly although John is good at few things he also has this bad habit of sticking the dagger in the back of his own. But again that is what New Labour is all about, is it not? Hoon and Hewitt were after Brown other day, today John has done the same to his party’s spokesperson on health.
Why could he not keep his mouth shut?
If my ward councillor Don Thomas had done it he would have been crucified for that, why will nobody in NuLabour sort Denham out on this one?
By the way is there any difference between Tories of NuLabour and Cameron's Conservatives?

Paramjit wrote :-

Quote:- By the way is there any difference between Tories of NuLabour and Cameron's Conservatives?.
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Good God PB i sincerely think so.
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You may not like some Labour policies.......but at least they have some !!

Lone Ranger wrote:
Paramjit wrote :- Quote:- By the way is there any difference between Tories of NuLabour and Cameron's Conservatives?. . Good God PB i sincerely think so. . You may not like some Labour policies.......but at least they have some !!

Yes I agree they have some good brains in the party but does anybody listens to the good guys in party dominated by the likes of Peter Mandelson?

Reminds me of an American president who said about certain nasty dictator "He may be the son of the **** but he is our SOB". Perhaps some of my friends may be saying the same about New Labour.

History will only judge New Labour as party that made Conservatives and Lib-Dems touchable.

Just thought I should mention that Southampton Council did approve this measure whilst every other local council voted against.
But before you all start slagging off this party or that (well, too late you all have already!) it was a FREE VOTE with councillors from all 3 parties voting in both camps.
I should also mention that several who voted in favour have now changed their minds on the issue. If there was a further vote now Southampton Council would join all the other local authorities (not to mention the vast majority of the affected population) in rejecting this attempt at mass poisioning.

freefinker wrote:
Just thought I should mention that Southampton Council did approve this measure whilst every other local council voted against.
But before you all start slagging off this party or that (well, too late you all have already!) it was a FREE VOTE with councillors from all 3 parties voting in both camps.
I should also mention that several who voted in favour have now changed their minds on the issue. If there was a further vote now Southampton Council would join all the other local authorities (not to mention the vast majority of the affected population) in rejecting this attempt at mass poisioning.

yes its surprising how minds can change so quick when therea a general and local elections are looming

Oh, quite so Southy - good point.
Supprising how usually when I write to Denham I get some standard response that actually mean "go away and stop bothering me"
Now he's sending personally addressed letters to me on subjects I haven't written to him about.
And the Tories seem to be bombarding everyone almost daily with mail-out after leaflet after mail-out.
Well at least I will have a Green to vote for in the General Election - even if our electoral system is rigged in favour of New-Labour & Blue-Labour.

freefinker wrote:
Oh, quite so Southy - good point.
Supprising how usually when I write to Denham I get some standard response that actually mean "go away and stop bothering me"
Now he's sending personally addressed letters to me on subjects I haven't written to him about.
And the Tories seem to be bombarding everyone almost daily with mail-out after leaflet after mail-out.
Well at least I will have a Green to vote for in the General Election - even if our electoral system is rigged in favour of New-Labour & Blue-Labour.

well depending where you are, you might have another choice to the TUSC will be standing to, but they not got much money in the pot so it depend on your location if one will be standing there and who is the raining mp.

Another reason to vote against fluoride in the water is that it will encourage more people to buy bottled water which has an environmental cost. Transporting water down from mountains and into shops and into our homes has a massive carbon footprint compared to the safe and clean water we get from our taps, not to mention the waste issue of millions of plastic bottles.

Cyber-Fug wrote:
The Prime Minister makes empty promises full stop !!!

Agree with you there, that's the first thing I thought! Labour also promised to give us a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, which never happened! Added to that, the news that RBS (part owned by taxpayers), loaned money to Kraft to secure the Cadbury's deal, which will inevitably result in at least some UK job losses! The sooner Gordon goes the better!

soton1980 wrote:

Cyber-Fug wrote:
The Prime Minister makes empty promises full stop !!!

Agree with you there, that's the first thing I thought! Labour also promised to give us a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, which never happened! Added to that, the news that RBS (part owned by taxpayers), loaned money to Kraft to secure the Cadbury's deal, which will inevitably result in at least some UK job losses! The sooner Gordon goes the better!

the sooner people relize that there is no difference in any of the right wing partys, if torys get in there be more of the same. and again you will not get the vote on the lisbon treaty.
there is only really two party groups that will give you the vote on the EU and that is ukip and tuoc.

southy wrote:

soton1980 wrote:

Cyber-Fug wrote: The Prime Minister makes empty promises full stop !!!

Agree with you there, that's the first thing I thought! Labour also promised to give us a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, which never happened! Added to that, the news that RBS (part owned by taxpayers), loaned money to Kraft to secure the Cadbury's deal, which will inevitably result in at least some UK job losses! The sooner Gordon goes the better!

the sooner people relize that there is no difference in any of the right wing partys, if torys get in there be more of the same. and again you will not get the vote on the lisbon treaty. there is only really two party groups that will give you the vote on the EU and that is ukip and tuoc.

How are the tax and spend policies of Brown in any way right wing?

Anyway, I brushed by childrens teeth this evening so no thanks to flouride.

Condor Man wrote:

southy wrote:

soton1980 wrote:

Cyber-Fug wrote: The Prime Minister makes empty promises full stop !!!

Agree with you there, that's the first thing I thought! Labour also promised to give us a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, which never happened! Added to that, the news that RBS (part owned by taxpayers), loaned money to Kraft to secure the Cadbury's deal, which will inevitably result in at least some UK job losses! The sooner Gordon goes the better!

the sooner people relize that there is no difference in any of the right wing partys, if torys get in there be more of the same. and again you will not get the vote on the lisbon treaty. there is only really two party groups that will give you the vote on the EU and that is ukip and tuoc.

How are the tax and spend policies of Brown in any way right wing?

Anyway, I brushed by childrens teeth this evening so no thanks to flouride.

you must be younger than i though condor man, not a lot of difference with ted heath policies.

Gordon you are such mad looking wierdo, just look at your big head & scrunched up pit bull chewing a wasp face!

The sooner we are rid of you and the equally wierd bunch of hoon misfits that you surround yourself with, the better as far as I'm concerned.

You or "BLIAR" never ever listened to us anyway & I guess your not gonna start now are you, you little toad.

Bye.

Guys and Gals. It is simple, do not pay your water bill! would you buy flurieded water from where you shop? There, at least you have the choice!!! Take care now.

Shouldn't this article just read " prime minister accused of empty promises on EVERYTHING".
The idiot has gambled away our economic future with no tangible benefit for the hard working majority. Breaking his own promise on balancing tax and spend over the economic cycle.
His fellow idiot denham (the very same man who cannot be bothered to turn up to support our homecoming military heroes) says the flouride decision should be taken at a local level then states his opposition to a referendum. We all know why. It's because labour politicians won't hold referendums when they think they'll lose- promised Lisbon treaty referendum anyone?

housewife wrote:
How will Fluoride in the toilet and the washing machine reduce rotten teeth?

If the children brushed their teeth and had less sugar, THAT would reduce rotten teeth.

How will adding Fluoride to the water make that happen?

ok missus it's about time for an alternative view. Who benefits from this? Not any of us on this thread because we care for our teeth anyway. This isn't about us. Apart from the health issue having bad teeth affects your career, social and life prospects. This is about getting some level of tooth protection to vulnerable young children whose diet and lifestyle might not be as cared for as our own families. Your note above misses the point completely. How does a 7 year old child take charge of their own dental hygene eh? Fluoridation is a socialist principle. This is the state looking after the needs of its people which is why I'm surprised Paramjit and Southy are in the vanguard against it - (well actually no I'm not at all - it simply illustrates that you actually start from personal prejudice then manipulate it to look like political credo).
I don't need fluoridation and neither do you but that does not mean I am going to deny it to sections of our society who really need it. A little like Social Security in a way.

Andy Locks Heath wrote:

housewife wrote:
How will Fluoride in the toilet and the washing machine reduce rotten teeth?

If the children brushed their teeth and had less sugar, THAT would reduce rotten teeth.

How will adding Fluoride to the water make that happen?

ok missus it's about time for an alternative view. Who benefits from this? Not any of us on this thread because we care for our teeth anyway. This isn't about us. Apart from the health issue having bad teeth affects your career, social and life prospects. This is about getting some level of tooth protection to vulnerable young children whose diet and lifestyle might not be as cared for as our own families. Your note above misses the point completely. How does a 7 year old child take charge of their own dental hygene eh? Fluoridation is a socialist principle. This is the state looking after the needs of its people which is why I'm surprised Paramjit and Southy are in the vanguard against it - (well actually no I'm not at all - it simply illustrates that you actually start from personal prejudice then manipulate it to look like political credo).
I don't need fluoridation and neither do you but that does not mean I am going to deny it to sections of our society who really need it. A little like Social Security in a way.

andy what housewife is basically saying, is this old saying,
you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it drink it.
putting fluorine in water will not help one little bit, like its been pointed many a times now, kids tend to buy fizzy drinks that contain all sorts off additives. and it's funny how kids teeth have gone down hill ever since maggie the school milk thief, took schools free milk away.
and has for paramjit and my self being the vanguard very unlikely we just listen to people to what they want, its a democracy society and its what the majority wants, and heres the big difference between political partys those that will do right for the majority of people and listen to them and those that will not, its not has lo the information cant be got at, its there for every one to check up on and read. and there are big pointers there is a long term after effect, and like you i dont much on scaremongering

fair point Southy