Southampton students survive Chile earthquake (From Daily Echo)

and the first country there with medical aid, yes you guess it cuba

southy wrote:
and the first country there with medical aid, yes you guess it cuba

Crikey Southy you will try to put a pro communist line on any story, Cuba wasn't so quick to help their neighbours in Haiti were they?
And Argentina and Brazil are already on the scene in Chile giving physical aid.

That is all I have to say, I am not going to get into one of your endless diatribical dictatorial debates.

"Southampton Students Survive Chile Earthquake"

Blimey, just how big was it???!!

Brite Spark wrote:

southy wrote:
and the first country there with medical aid, yes you guess it cuba

Crikey Southy you will try to put a pro communist line on any story, Cuba wasn't so quick to help their neighbours in Haiti were they?
And Argentina and Brazil are already on the scene in Chile giving physical aid.

That is all I have to say, I am not going to get into one of your endless diatribical dictatorial debates.

they was first in haiti to brite, mind you cuba is all ways first to arrive. cuba was on chilian quake area about 12 hours afterwards

That's odd seeing as 99.9 per cent of the population aren't allowed to leave that country in the first place.

Brite Spark wrote:
That's odd seeing as 99.9 per cent of the population aren't allowed to leave that country in the first place.

yes they are brite cubans can go and come when ever they like, dont listen to that usa propaganda its only in the usa that stops its people from going to cuba.

southy wrote:

Brite Spark wrote:

southy wrote:
and the first country there with medical aid, yes you guess it cuba

Crikey Southy you will try to put a pro communist line on any story, Cuba wasn't so quick to help their neighbours in Haiti were they?
And Argentina and Brazil are already on the scene in Chile giving physical aid.

That is all I have to say, I am not going to get into one of your endless diatribical dictatorial debates.

they was first in haiti to brite, mind you cuba is all ways first to arrive. cuba was on chilian quake area about 12 hours afterwards

Only because they were looting ;o)

Cyber-Fug wrote:

southy wrote:

Brite Spark wrote:

southy wrote:
and the first country there with medical aid, yes you guess it cuba

Crikey Southy you will try to put a pro communist line on any story, Cuba wasn't so quick to help their neighbours in Haiti were they?
And Argentina and Brazil are already on the scene in Chile giving physical aid.

That is all I have to say, I am not going to get into one of your endless diatribical dictatorial debates.

they was first in haiti to brite, mind you cuba is all ways first to arrive. cuba was on chilian quake area about 12 hours afterwards

Only because they were looting ;o)

the biggest looters are the usa with the uk close behind in second.

I have watched much of Matt Frei's reports from Cuba on BBC. They have been interesting.
Cuba - A one party state who put their opposition in jail and then claim that because there is no opposition then it must be a democracy.
They have medical schools which are gaining good repute throughout the world. This probably brings in valuable foreign exchange as well.
Medical staff going out from Cuba are not necessarily Cuban. Chilean students probably went home to Chile using their new skills.
First on the scene? - They were first on the scene in Angola as well.

X Old Bill wrote:
I have watched much of Matt Frei's reports from Cuba on BBC. They have been interesting.
Cuba - A one party state who put their opposition in jail and then claim that because there is no opposition then it must be a democracy.
They have medical schools which are gaining good repute throughout the world. This probably brings in valuable foreign exchange as well.
Medical staff going out from Cuba are not necessarily Cuban. Chilean students probably went home to Chile using their new skills.
First on the scene? - They were first on the scene in Angola as well.

theres 5 political partys in cuba. only one boarders on the centre right the rest are centre to left to far left wing, che was in angola with 4 others, but not on the behalf of cuba. he did not have the cuba government blessing to go there. he ended up being exiled from cuba, only to return after he was dead.

X Old Bill wrote:
I have watched much of Matt Frei's reports from Cuba on BBC. They have been interesting.
Cuba - A one party state who put their opposition in jail and then claim that because there is no opposition then it must be a democracy.
They have medical schools which are gaining good repute throughout the world. This probably brings in valuable foreign exchange as well.
Medical staff going out from Cuba are not necessarily Cuban. Chilean students probably went home to Chile using their new skills.
First on the scene? - They were first on the scene in Angola as well.

I think you will find that the white South African government were actually "first on the scene in Angola" if you are referring to direct armed intervention, as well as supporting the UNITA rebels with sophisticated weapons in the civil war.

freefinker: Yes you are correct, but they were neighbours and affected directly.
Southy: What about the several thousand Cuban troops sent in the 1980s, with Soviet support as far as I recall?
Overall I was making the point that Cuba have not always been there to provide peaceful support. So they have changed, is that not good?

I think you will find they are not actually neighbours - in fact separated by some 500 km or so.
But, granted, South Africa had by then already occupied neighbouring Namibia – unlawfully at that.

X Old Bill wrote:
freefinker: Yes you are correct, but they were neighbours and affected directly.
Southy: What about the several thousand Cuban troops sent in the 1980s, with Soviet support as far as I recall?
Overall I was making the point that Cuba have not always been there to provide peaceful support. So they have changed, is that not good?

there was not several thousands cubans troops in angola it was 5 cubans only. and they was training the angolain troops and not taking part in the fighting. plus cuba did not and still not have several thousand troops, there numbers only amount into the high hundreds. even when they won the revolution war the communist won it with less than 300 troops spread out over the whole cuban island, what won them the civil war was the ordinary people supporting the revolution going on general strike on that last day.over 90% of the cubans population on that last day got behind the revolution.

southy wrote:

Brite Spark wrote:
That's odd seeing as 99.9 per cent of the population aren't allowed to leave that country in the first place.

yes they are brite cubans can go and come when ever they like, dont listen to that usa propaganda its only in the usa that stops its people from going to cuba.

Sorry Southy- I hate to be rude, I honestly do- but you are talking sh*t.

How many Cubans have you spoken to personally that have been allowed to come and go as they please?

It is such rubbish that Cuba is great and Cubans are all happy. It is certainly not a democratic country however you try and make it out that way. It is all tripe.

If you look for it, there is plenty of information out there from real Cubans who are not at all happy living under the Castro regime. Dictatorships are all *pretty much* the same whether they are left or right. It takes a lot of killing to get there, and a lot more killing to stay there.

You are talking certified bull sh*t on this one I'm afraid. You are spreading your own red tinged propaganda and thankfully most people don't fall for it.

bemused26 wrote:

southy wrote:

Brite Spark wrote:
That's odd seeing as 99.9 per cent of the population aren't allowed to leave that country in the first place.

yes they are brite cubans can go and come when ever they like, dont listen to that usa propaganda its only in the usa that stops its people from going to cuba.

Sorry Southy- I hate to be rude, I honestly do- but you are talking sh*t.

How many Cubans have you spoken to personally that have been allowed to come and go as they please?

It is such rubbish that Cuba is great and Cubans are all happy. It is certainly not a democratic country however you try and make it out that way. It is all tripe.

If you look for it, there is plenty of information out there from real Cubans who are not at all happy living under the Castro regime. Dictatorships are all *pretty much* the same whether they are left or right. It takes a lot of killing to get there, and a lot more killing to stay there.

You are talking certified bull sh*t on this one I'm afraid. You are spreading your own red tinged propaganda and thankfully most people don't fall for it.

the only ball sh1t is coming from you, i been to cuba in hananava and i have talk to people, and yes they are allowed to come and go has they please. and theres enough cubains in southampton that will tell you the same, cuba is not a dictatorship that is propaganda from mainly the big 7 oil companys and usa government, cuba has elections for its 2 tire government, the people have 5 partys to pick from, the uk is more of a dictatorship than cuba note for you the queen is equal to the cubain president its a life time job where has here you do not get to vote on who will be our figure head of state, cuba do on the death or retirement of the president, and they get the choice of electing some one else. our house of lords you do not get to vote on here in the uk. cuba first house of government is elected every 5 years. uk house of commons is elected every 5 years max, has is the cubains 2nd house of government, now who are more of a dictatorship yes your right the uk is, the uk only has one part that is elected in to power where has the cubas the whole system is elected in. and before you say it castro was not elected in, he was in 1959 there was elections in cuba for the president whitch 4 people took part in.
here is a nice fact for you. the only people that is not allowed to travel to cuba directly are usa people there is a usa government ban on letting its people travel to cuba even for a holiday. usa ordered the world though the un to put a trade embargo on cuba.
the only infomation about people not being happy living in cuba are those living in the usa, and its propaganda that the usa uses for the world giving an false image. with the internet people are becoming more wise to what really is happening out there in the world. and not the false propaganda image that the capitalist has painted over the last 90 years.

southy wrote:

bemused26 wrote:

southy wrote:

Brite Spark wrote:
That's odd seeing as 99.9 per cent of the population aren't allowed to leave that country in the first place.

yes they are brite cubans can go and come when ever they like, dont listen to that usa propaganda its only in the usa that stops its people from going to cuba.

Sorry Southy- I hate to be rude, I honestly do- but you are talking sh*t.

How many Cubans have you spoken to personally that have been allowed to come and go as they please?

It is such rubbish that Cuba is great and Cubans are all happy. It is certainly not a democratic country however you try and make it out that way. It is all tripe.

If you look for it, there is plenty of information out there from real Cubans who are not at all happy living under the Castro regime. Dictatorships are all *pretty much* the same whether they are left or right. It takes a lot of killing to get there, and a lot more killing to stay there.

You are talking certified bull sh*t on this one I'm afraid. You are spreading your own red tinged propaganda and thankfully most people don't fall for it.

the only ball sh1t is coming from you, i been to cuba in hananava and i have talk to people, and yes they are allowed to come and go has they please. and theres enough cubains in southampton that will tell you the same, cuba is not a dictatorship that is propaganda from mainly the big 7 oil companys and usa government, cuba has elections for its 2 tire government, the people have 5 partys to pick from, the uk is more of a dictatorship than cuba note for you the queen is equal to the cubain president its a life time job where has here you do not get to vote on who will be our figure head of state, cuba do on the death or retirement of the president, and they get the choice of electing some one else. our house of lords you do not get to vote on here in the uk. cuba first house of government is elected every 5 years. uk house of commons is elected every 5 years max, has is the cubains 2nd house of government, now who are more of a dictatorship yes your right the uk is, the uk only has one part that is elected in to power where has the cubas the whole system is elected in. and before you say it castro was not elected in, he was in 1959 there was elections in cuba for the president whitch 4 people took part in.
here is a nice fact for you. the only people that is not allowed to travel to cuba directly are usa people there is a usa government ban on letting its people travel to cuba even for a holiday. usa ordered the world though the un to put a trade embargo on cuba.
the only infomation about people not being happy living in cuba are those living in the usa, and its propaganda that the usa uses for the world giving an false image. with the internet people are becoming more wise to what really is happening out there in the world. and not the false propaganda image that the capitalist has painted over the last 90 years.

Sort of what I expected you to come back with. Yes I too have met several Cubans here in Southampton who have told me completely different things to what you say.
I also spent 4 years studying the history and politics of Southern and Central America, including Cuba, and before you say different, I was taught by lefties. I also lived for a while in Central America (Not USA!) and met more Cubans who do not speak so fondly of their home country. I don't know where you get your information but it is very one sided. I was not referring to Cubans who live in the USA either- you say: 'the only infomation about people not being happy living in cuba are those living in the usa, and its propaganda that the usa uses for the world giving an false image'. That is tripe and you know it- there is information freely available from Cubans elsewhere who are not affiliated in any way with the USA who are not happy with the situation in their country.

You say: 'here is a nice fact for you. the only people that is not allowed to travel to cuba directly are usa people there is a usa government ban on letting its people travel to cuba even for a holiday'

I didn't mention anything about other nationalities not being able to travel to Cuba. I mentioned the fact that Cubans are not free to come and go as they please. That is a fact. There are a lot of restrictions to their movements.

This is the icing on the cake- you say:

'cuba is not a dictatorship, that is propaganda from mainly the big 7 oil companys and usa government'.

Errr, right. I don't think I even need to respond to that one as it is such a ridiculous comment that it doesn't deserve a serious answer. What an utter joke!

I have had my say now and to be honest, whatever you come back with I won't be wasting my time responding because on this particular subject I think you are talking rubbish just for the sake of it.

and you are full of the normal bs.
what was one of the first things cuba did, that was take away the oil from the big oil companys and nationlise it put the wealth back into the country and not the few.
and the only rubbish is coming from you and your capitalist propaganda. and the fact is that they can travel to any country they please all way have been able to, that has been some thing the cubans have never stop its people from doing.
i all ready pointed out to you about there elections and that they can vote for ever they like and they dont have any stage in politics where you can not vote unlike uk politics so who is more the dictatorship the uk is.

For myself I would rather accept information from:
The United Nations Statistical Yearbook.
The Global Policy Forum, based at the United Nations.
Website: NationMaster.com, as used by Educational establishments and Government Agencies throughout the world (it is NOT based in the USA).
The BBC - Reports and interviews from Cuba by Matt Frei.
.
Not unsurprisingly none of these sources entirely concurs with Southy's opinions.

X Old Bill wrote:
For myself I would rather accept information from:
The United Nations Statistical Yearbook.
The Global Policy Forum, based at the United Nations.
Website: NationMaster.com, as used by Educational establishments and Government Agencies throughout the world (it is NOT based in the USA).
The BBC - Reports and interviews from Cuba by Matt Frei.
.
Not unsurprisingly none of these sources entirely concurs with Southy's opinions.

and if you took the time to read it mind you it is very long winded and says more about nothing than it do about some thing. you would off seen people can travel in and out of cuba and its more of a case if they could afford to travel. lift the trade embargo on cuba and then see even more, remember the un is controled by your capitalist socialist dont get any say in un.
the world all ready knows that they have better education than any where else they do produce more teachers and health people than any where else in the world and there education is free right the way though the whole system. you find matt frei is a very bias person but even he said at the end the cubans are much better off now than they ever have been and not under neather the american yoke like many other countrys are.

Southy, it always amazes me where you get your "information", is it something you do as a hobby, i.e. conjure it up in your home, because you seem to have access to info that the rest of the world does not !
You will not accept the fact that other people are knowledgeable about subjects also, since you react to them with some more hallucinatory "facts" from your twilight zone. I understand that you are vehemently anti American, most of the far left are, but you do take it to the extremes at times, displayed by your total admiration for the "democratic" policies of Cuba, Venezuela, Burma, etc., not to mention that well known peaceful flower power nation, North Korea.
Only 5 Cubans in Angola ? I nearly pee'd myself laughing at that one as you missed some zeros, namely four since Cuban troop deployment to Angola was around 50,000, not that it is relevant to this article, just to prove how misguided your sources of information are.
Bemused26's post just above is pretty much right on the mark I'm sorry to say because your posts on some other make subjects make for enlightening reading. I'm now donning the body armour. :)

I've been following this thread with increasing laughter - a story about the Chilean earthquake completely hijacked by the initial comment from Southy re Cuba?
Southy, you are absolutely right, ordinary Cubans are free to travel anytime - provided they can find something that floats and know how to catch the sea current that will get them to the US.
Re Chile, glad the students are safe and overall death toll remarkably low.

B. L. wrote:
Southy, it always amazes me where you get your "information", is it something you do as a hobby, i.e. conjure it up in your home, because you seem to have access to info that the rest of the world does not !
You will not accept the fact that other people are knowledgeable about subjects also, since you react to them with some more hallucinatory "facts" from your twilight zone. I understand that you are vehemently anti American, most of the far left are, but you do take it to the extremes at times, displayed by your total admiration for the "democratic" policies of Cuba, Venezuela, Burma, etc., not to mention that well known peaceful flower power nation, North Korea.
Only 5 Cubans in Angola ? I nearly pee'd myself laughing at that one as you missed some zeros, namely four since Cuban troop deployment to Angola was around 50,000, not that it is relevant to this article, just to prove how misguided your sources of information are.
Bemused26's post just above is pretty much right on the mark I'm sorry to say because your posts on some other make subjects make for enlightening reading. I'm now donning the body armour. :)

its fact that there was only 5 cubans in angola all 5 are on film at the training camp and one was che him self who got put into exile by castro and the cubian 2 tire government for going against the cuban government wishes. the russians was there to do the same, thats why the news back then said angolain troops trained by russian and cubans and not russians and cubains taken part in the fighting, russian was also supplying arms to the angolains has was the usa who else was there too doing the same thing train troops and supplying them with arms on the opposite side. cuba has never had a large arm force under castro there's never been any need of one for them. only a few 100 beat the usa and the cuba capitalist troops and the army after the cuban civil war the most it ever got was 1, 276 troops its less than 1000 no days, so you either listen to propaganda or so right wing the truth hurts.
n/korea would slacken up if it did not keep getting threats from the usa.
i do get excess to some info that you cant get hold off plus i have some first hand experience talking to people and going to those places, i am not a person that only traveled for a holiday i traveled alot to work over the years.

theres a very good doc/film about che it tells a lot of truth about the man and what it really was like in his time even lo the doc/film was done by a corporate film company its got a good balance about him. it also shows you the film of all 5 cubans in angola and names them all.

Che Guevara b.1928 - d.1967
Angolan Civil War 1975 - 2002
Hard to see a connection there.

X Old Bill wrote:
Che Guevara b.1928 - d.1967
Angolan Civil War 1975 - 2002
Hard to see a connection there.

Hard I agree, but I'm sure southy will rise to the challenge.

freefinker wrote:

X Old Bill wrote:
Che Guevara b.1928 - d.1967
Angolan Civil War 1975 - 2002
Hard to see a connection there.

Hard I agree, but I'm sure southy will rise to the challenge.

more bs from you yet again old bill. Angolan Civil War 1975 - 2002 try like it ended in 1991. in 1965 che left cuba went to the congo first then down to angola, then after that he left for bolivia where he came to his end in 67. the angolain war started in the early 60's and ended in 91, 1975 was when the south africans got involved, same year that usa got tied up in it colonel oliver north was sent there

Southy,
Apart from trying to argue against historical facts you completely missed my original point;
Cuba historically had a declared aim of exporting revolution - your hero actually wrote books about it.
Since the collapse of the Soviet Union Cuba has had to stand on its own. To their credit they now train medics from other Countries who can go home and help their own people in times of trouble, as in the case of Chile.
That is a compliment, Cuba has learned to be part of the International community instead of trying to change it. That is a good thing, much better that exporting revolution resulting in death and destruction.
Cuban trained medics are better than Cuban trained mercenaries, but maybe you would rather they sent soldiers to Chile to shoot looters.

Groan !!!!
"The Soviet military assistance to Cuba in the late 80s enabled Cuba to upgrade it's military capabilities and project power abroad. In 1990, Cuba's air force had around 150 Soviet supplied fighters, including advanced MiG-23s and MiG-29s. The Cuban armed forces were around 235,000 active duty personnel". So, 5 were sent to Angola and the other 234,000-ish sat at home and watched these 5 on film - classic !
Back to the article, what a concept, the Chilean government were quite quick to respond, considering the utter chaos that follows an earthquake, and the fact that there is but one major road throughout the whole length. Unfortunately, they weren't quick enough to beat the Cubans who deployed early to beat the government !!
Does that fit in with your inside info Southy ?