Khalid Farooq forced to reign from Southampton Labour Party (From Daily Echo)

Well at least this individual was rumbled before he stood for election.
Unfortunately we all know of various other politicians who have proved their dishonesty after entering Parliament.
At least Mr Farooq won't be a future duck house or moat clearance claimant.

OMG I'm so shocked........yet another thieving politician!! I'm very suprised he didn't play the race card.........

A stunning lack of judgement here.

MrGMan wrote:
A stunning lack of judgement here.

you find problems like this dogg the top 5 partys.

But Lord Ashcroft is bullet-proof in the House of Lords!

Perhaps all the parties should start doing police checks of people in positions of trust and BEFORE they are selected to any position. Lessons should be learned here. The fact that he dismissed it as 'nothing much' proves that he doesn't think he's done anything wrong.

Thank god he was rumbled. What about repayment of benefit? or is it just the omission of that fact and he was still eligible for the benefit that was the case here. Not that he should be allowed to stand anyway, it's an utter disgrace.

Bit ruff, ruff to cal him a dog southy

Politics and policians have a bad enough name as it is so its good to see he's been dumped before he could do any damage.

southy wrote:

MrGMan wrote:
A stunning lack of judgement here.

you find problems like this dogg the top 5 partys.

It's funny how you never rush to point this out when a tory is caught cheating.

Mahoney212 wrote:
OMG I'm so shocked........yet another thieving politician!! I'm very suprised he didn't play the race card.........

your the one that's pointing out race....

thesouth wrote:

Mahoney212 wrote:
OMG I'm so shocked........yet another thieving politician!! I'm very suprised he didn't play the race card.........

your the one that's pointing out race....

Race to where??

just the tip of the iceberg.just a small slap on the wrist though. ive seen alot heavier sentences handed out for benefit cheats.

you didnt want to do that wrote:

thesouth wrote:

Mahoney212 wrote:
OMG I'm so shocked........yet another thieving politician!! I'm very suprised he didn't play the race card.........

your the one that's pointing out race....

Race to where??

To the finishing post I presume, as a race card is a printed card used in horse racing.

Paramjit? Paramjit? Where are you tonight Paramjit? You always comment when there is mention of politics. Oh no, I forgot, you only seem to appear for a good Tory bash..... Would this be one of your lot, by any chance, hence your absence? Oh dear!

freefinker wrote:

you didnt want to do that wrote:

thesouth wrote:

Mahoney212 wrote:
OMG I'm so shocked........yet another thieving politician!! I'm very suprised he didn't play the race card.........

your the one that's pointing out race....

Race to where??

To the finishing post I presume, as a race card is a printed card used in horse racing.

point me to the point to point then

Mahoney212 wrote:
OMG I'm so shocked........yet another thieving politician!! I'm very suprised he didn't play the race card.........

has he farooqed his career ? what a shame ..not

Mahoney212 wrote:
OMG I'm so shocked........yet another thieving politician!! I'm very suprised he didn't play the race card.........

has he farooqed his career ? what a shame ..not

English defence league Hythe division wrote:

Mahoney212 wrote:
OMG I'm so shocked........yet another thieving politician!! I'm very suprised he didn't play the race card.........

has he farooqed his career ? what a shame ..not

You really dont have to try to be an idiot , do you?

Iw61 wrote:

English defence league Hythe division wrote:

Mahoney212 wrote: OMG I'm so shocked........yet another thieving politician!! I'm very suprised he didn't play the race card.........

has he farooqed his career ? what a shame ..not

You really dont have to try to be an idiot , do you?

nope the idiot is the fraudster who got caught out.

I am pleased as a Bitterne Park resident that he wont be representing Labour interests in Bitterne Park.
Benefit cheating is wrong. I remember a UKIP politician being prosecuted for similar. I think tax dodging is wrong; I believe Arch Tory Lord Ashcroft is part of this despite todays legal ruling.
What we need in Bitterne Park is a good local candidate that represents majority interests not the bigoted, ideaological interests represented by the three Tory stooges who currently serve as Bitterne Park councillors. For example (two of them) Cllr Ivan' kick the elderly out' White or Cllr Peter 'support useless Academies, support Play Footbal at Bitterne Park School' Baillie.

I know of this guy and he is even more self serving that politicians normally are. This does not surprise me one bit and am glad he got caught out.. I think he would happily have been a conservative candidate if it suited him more.

He knows nothing of local issues and just be glad he never got elected.

Iw61 wrote:
I am pleased as a Bitterne Park resident that he wont be representing Labour interests in Bitterne Park. Benefit cheating is wrong. I remember a UKIP politician being prosecuted for similar. I think tax dodging is wrong; I believe Arch Tory Lord Ashcroft is part of this despite todays legal ruling. What we need in Bitterne Park is a good local candidate that represents majority interests not the bigoted, ideaological interests represented by the three Tory stooges who currently serve as Bitterne Park councillors. For example (two of them) Cllr Ivan' kick the elderly out' White or Cllr Peter 'support useless Academies, support Play Footbal at Bitterne Park School' Baillie.

I was talking to Ivan and Peter the other week, they are nice blokes and fully committed to SCC. Both have worked hard and are now giving something back to the community. As for the football bid at Bitterne Park it was local residents that stopped it, the council were all for it. Now that site is going to house the 6th form college which will be ultimately more beneficial to the young people of the area. No one could be more local to your area than Ivan White.

Condor Man wrote:

Iw61 wrote: I am pleased as a Bitterne Park resident that he wont be representing Labour interests in Bitterne Park. Benefit cheating is wrong. I remember a UKIP politician being prosecuted for similar. I think tax dodging is wrong; I believe Arch Tory Lord Ashcroft is part of this despite todays legal ruling. What we need in Bitterne Park is a good local candidate that represents majority interests not the bigoted, ideaological interests represented by the three Tory stooges who currently serve as Bitterne Park councillors. For example (two of them) Cllr Ivan' kick the elderly out' White or Cllr Peter 'support useless Academies, support Play Footbal at Bitterne Park School' Baillie.

I was talking to Ivan and Peter the other week, they are nice blokes and fully committed to SCC. Both have worked hard and are now giving something back to the community. As for the football bid at Bitterne Park it was local residents that stopped it, the council were all for it. Now that site is going to house the 6th form college which will be ultimately more beneficial to the young people of the area. No one could be more local to your area than Ivan White.

Ivan White - now there is a tale.
The reasoning behind the building of barriers is not to keep them in - or out, it is to see how much interference the foundations will create for the man left to flood the garage. Think on you local parochial introverted non-swimmers.

I know him, he run the campaign in Bevois Vally regarding to ropewalk garden Tories sell off plan. which was secretly agreed with Hythe building association. He formed a Derby road association and he stopped the Tories Phil William to sell off to housing association for only £160k. This place is worth million. He is victimized of PWA bad campaign against him.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
Perhaps all the parties should start doing police checks of people in positions of trust and BEFORE they are selected to any position. Lessons should be learned here. The fact that he dismissed it as 'nothing much' proves that he doesn't think he's done anything wrong.

Thank god he was rumbled. What about repayment of benefit? or is it just the omission of that fact and he was still eligible for the benefit that was the case here. Not that he should be allowed to stand anyway, it's an utter disgrace.

Unfortunately all political parties occasionally have a problem with people like this manovering themselves into positions of influence. I don't think political parties have the power to request police checks on candidates ( I could be wrong on this).

In this case it would only have helped if this person had a previous record as he had been selected as a candidate before the conviction.

Still, well done to the Labour party for getting rid of him as soon as they found out.

Gloria25 wrote:
I know him, he run the campaign in Bevois Vally regarding to ropewalk garden Tories sell off plan. which was secretly agreed with Hythe building association. He formed a Derby road association and he stopped the Tories Phil William to sell off to housing association for only £160k. This place is worth million. He is victimized of PWA bad campaign against him.

What does PWA mean? how can a benefits cheat be victimised? How can a small slither of land like Ropewalk be worth £1m? have you valued the site? no, just typical Labour soundbite. Blame the Tories, make excuses for your own shortcomings.

Hyde Housing was agreed with Tories cabinet to build the 5 bungalow on that site. which revel to him he activated the local residents and they asked for consultation. Which clearly led by him and overly 300 peoples said no to Tory sell off. rope walk garden had a three story building and about 15 car park on Derby road side. this land is very expensive due to central locality.

I have always maintained that Mahatma Gandhi‘s life should be made compulsory reading for all the budding politicians.

Not only the chance to serve the people in democratic system is the greatest honour for any individual, but even allowing participation in it is a wonderful gift. I have no time for those who through their actions bring democracy into disrepute.

This case is New Labour’s self inflicted injury. By the look of it this individual was telling all kinds of porky pies, all over the place. I will find it hard to believe if with that amount of fibs, thrown around like confetti, others in NuLabour did not know about the habits of this person.

I and many others gave up after spending most of our lives in the Labour Party arguing that gender, race or religion of the people representing the party should have no importance, and instead criteria should be decent socialists. But this party is obsessed with targets, and kinds of faces that appear in its pictures. So the old colonial minded bullies in the party go on head hunting for their kinds of ‘ethnic black and Asian’ ‘complaint’ candidates i.e. not necessarily socialists but @rse lickers of the likes of John Arnold.

I am more likely to believe in flying pigs than what Arnold and company are saying on this one. Because in my experience they do not take actions against culprits. Example: Even after leaving the NuLabour for the respect of the old party and many good and decent people still in it, I provided them with official letters sent by Area Health Authority, (obviously printed, paid for and posted at the NHH’s expense), sent by one of their now current councillor, promoting her political career. If they mean what they are really saying then why that person was not kicked out of the party?
I have not checked it but I was told that same person is now chairing John Denham’s ‘Prevent ‘project, which has massive budget under the excuse of combating extremism in Muslim community. But I suspect it to be a slush fund for buying religious based vote banks, which in the long run will produce same kind of disaster, which British Empire’s policies did in India and ended up dividing that sub-continent; while killing millions and making even larger number homeless in 1947.

Talking about extremism and terrorism, I suggest people should look into the record of NuLabour. In 1995 there was a motion by me at Hampshire County Council against Islamic extremism and terrorism. Labour Group of which I was the member did not support me but it was only passed with the support of Conservatives and some Lib-Dems. I do not want to spill too many beans so won’t write anything about what was discussed on the same subject in Southampton Labour Group and what did John Arnold say.

As mark of respect for the institution of British Democracy, I will always request all the political parties that they should make sure their candidates really believe in their ideology, which is more important than being politically correct.

Oh by the way, YES Ashcroft is an interesting subject these days to pick on Tories, but I am equally interested in Lord Paul of NuLabour as well, why nobody seem to be stopping the rumours surrounding him and clear the air????

Finally I have delivered my socialist sermon, now over to those who want to practice their keyboard skills, while I am going to read Autosport. So no more danger of me bothering you good guys or responding to likely abuse.

£150 and 80 hours is that all. how much did he cheat us out of and is he going to repay that amount with interest.i doubt it ,no wonder he is smiling the fraudster has got of easy.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
I have always maintained that Mahatma Gandhi‘s life should be made compulsory reading for all the budding politicians. Not only the chance to serve the people in democratic system is the greatest honour for any individual, but even allowing participation in it is a wonderful gift. I have no time for those who through their actions bring democracy into disrepute. This case is New Labour’s self inflicted injury. By the look of it this individual was telling all kinds of porky pies, all over the place. I will find it hard to believe if with that amount of fibs, thrown around like confetti, others in NuLabour did not know about the habits of this person. I and many others gave up after spending most of our lives in the Labour Party arguing that gender, race or religion of the people representing the party should have no importance, and instead criteria should be decent socialists. But this party is obsessed with targets, and kinds of faces that appear in its pictures. So the old colonial minded bullies in the party go on head hunting for their kinds of ‘ethnic black and Asian’ ‘complaint’ candidates i.e. not necessarily socialists but @rse lickers of the likes of John Arnold. I am more likely to believe in flying pigs than what Arnold and company are saying on this one. Because in my experience they do not take actions against culprits. Example: Even after leaving the NuLabour for the respect of the old party and many good and decent people still in it, I provided them with official letters sent by Area Health Authority, (obviously printed, paid for and posted at the NHH’s expense), sent by one of their now current councillor, promoting her political career. If they mean what they are really saying then why that person was not kicked out of the party? I have not checked it but I was told that same person is now chairing John Denham’s ‘Prevent ‘project, which has massive budget under the excuse of combating extremism in Muslim community. But I suspect it to be a slush fund for buying religious based vote banks, which in the long run will produce same kind of disaster, which British Empire’s policies did in India and ended up dividing that sub-continent; while killing millions and making even larger number homeless in 1947. Talking about extremism and terrorism, I suggest people should look into the record of NuLabour. In 1995 there was a motion by me at Hampshire County Council against Islamic extremism and terrorism. Labour Group of which I was the member did not support me but it was only passed with the support of Conservatives and some Lib-Dems. I do not want to spill too many beans so won’t write anything about what was discussed on the same subject in Southampton Labour Group and what did John Arnold say. As mark of respect for the institution of British Democracy, I will always request all the political parties that they should make sure their candidates really believe in their ideology, which is more important than being politically correct. Oh by the way, YES Ashcroft is an interesting subject these days to pick on Tories, but I am equally interested in Lord Paul of NuLabour as well, why nobody seem to be stopping the rumours surrounding him and clear the air???? Finally I have delivered my socialist sermon, now over to those who want to practice their keyboard skills, while I am going to read Autosport. So no more danger of me bothering you good guys or responding to likely abuse.

Ha Ha
Para Midget
Caught you looking back to see who said what.
How can you gain the respect of others, when you can't keep to your word????

good old Labour, the left is left fighting it out with each other, just like the good old days. If you look at the callibre of this candidate compared to the new wave of local Tory councillors you see what the problem is. Labour are still stuck in the dark ages, full of people who are great in talking shops and on committees but are shirkers, not workers.

Tory purposed sell off to Hyde Housing will it be investigated?. big thieves are still hiding in cabinet. some thing should be done to bring the matter in to public investigation why this site was secretly given to only Hyde Housing? this raises a plenty of question to Tory led cabinet.

Condor Man wrote:
good old Labour, the left is left fighting it out with each other, just like the good old days. If you look at the callibre of this candidate compared to the new wave of local Tory councillors you see what the problem is. Labour are still stuck in the dark ages, full of people who are great in talking shops and on committees but are shirkers, not workers.

And, pray tell me, oh knowledgable one..
Have you ever worked? no, I mean REALLY worked?

No, I thought not. Anyone who can see solutions through political parties, worse, political figures, has only danced with the lemon.
Also, I detect an undercurrent of racialism in your comments. Is this due to your racial bias, or cognitive dissonance with the fury of the window-ledge?

As my oxford professor once said:-
Beware he who, through forced demeanour, seeks to profit with a leer

warness wrote:

Condor Man wrote: good old Labour, the left is left fighting it out with each other, just like the good old days. If you look at the callibre of this candidate compared to the new wave of local Tory councillors you see what the problem is. Labour are still stuck in the dark ages, full of people who are great in talking shops and on committees but are shirkers, not workers.

And, pray tell me, oh knowledgable one.. Have you ever worked? no, I mean REALLY worked? No, I thought not. Anyone who can see solutions through political parties, worse, political figures, has only danced with the lemon. Also, I detect an undercurrent of racialism in your comments. Is this due to your racial bias, or cognitive dissonance with the fury of the window-ledge? As my oxford professor once said:- Beware he who, through forced demeanour, seeks to profit with a leer

define (in that context) work? I turn up every day and exchange my labour for money. If that isn't the definition of work what is?

Condor Man wrote:

warness wrote:

Condor Man wrote: good old Labour, the left is left fighting it out with each other, just like the good old days. If you look at the callibre of this candidate compared to the new wave of local Tory councillors you see what the problem is. Labour are still stuck in the dark ages, full of people who are great in talking shops and on committees but are shirkers, not workers.

And, pray tell me, oh knowledgable one.. Have you ever worked? no, I mean REALLY worked? No, I thought not. Anyone who can see solutions through political parties, worse, political figures, has only danced with the lemon. Also, I detect an undercurrent of racialism in your comments. Is this due to your racial bias, or cognitive dissonance with the fury of the window-ledge? As my oxford professor once said:- Beware he who, through forced demeanour, seeks to profit with a leer

define (in that context) work? I turn up every day and exchange my labour for money. If that isn't the definition of work what is?

Work is eating the lemon, peel and all; not darting in and out of its presence, in order to gain kudos from the aroma.

warness wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

warness wrote:

Condor Man wrote: good old Labour, the left is left fighting it out with each other, just like the good old days. If you look at the callibre of this candidate compared to the new wave of local Tory councillors you see what the problem is. Labour are still stuck in the dark ages, full of people who are great in talking shops and on committees but are shirkers, not workers.

And, pray tell me, oh knowledgable one.. Have you ever worked? no, I mean REALLY worked? No, I thought not. Anyone who can see solutions through political parties, worse, political figures, has only danced with the lemon. Also, I detect an undercurrent of racialism in your comments. Is this due to your racial bias, or cognitive dissonance with the fury of the window-ledge? As my oxford professor once said:- Beware he who, through forced demeanour, seeks to profit with a leer

define (in that context) work? I turn up every day and exchange my labour for money. If that isn't the definition of work what is?

Work is eating the lemon, peel and all; not darting in and out of its presence, in order to gain kudos from the aroma.

Nice quote Warness but, stop smokin', man!!! =) I'm sorry! That was quite deep so could you explain this statement please?

warness wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

warness wrote:

Condor Man wrote: good old Labour, the left is left fighting it out with each other, just like the good old days. If you look at the callibre of this candidate compared to the new wave of local Tory councillors you see what the problem is. Labour are still stuck in the dark ages, full of people who are great in talking shops and on committees but are shirkers, not workers.

And, pray tell me, oh knowledgable one.. Have you ever worked? no, I mean REALLY worked? No, I thought not. Anyone who can see solutions through political parties, worse, political figures, has only danced with the lemon. Also, I detect an undercurrent of racialism in your comments. Is this due to your racial bias, or cognitive dissonance with the fury of the window-ledge? As my oxford professor once said:- Beware he who, through forced demeanour, seeks to profit with a leer

define (in that context) work? I turn up every day and exchange my labour for money. If that isn't the definition of work what is?

Work is eating the lemon, peel and all; not darting in and out of its presence, in order to gain kudos from the aroma.

Work is the curse of the labour classes, so pick up your beer and sit on you ****.

warness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote: I have always maintained that Mahatma Gandhi‘s life should be made compulsory reading for all the budding politicians. Not only the chance to serve the people in democratic system is the greatest honour for any individual, but even allowing participation in it is a wonderful gift. I have no time for those who through their actions bring democracy into disrepute. This case is New Labour’s self inflicted injury. By the look of it this individual was telling all kinds of porky pies, all over the place. I will find it hard to believe if with that amount of fibs, thrown around like confetti, others in NuLabour did not know about the habits of this person. I and many others gave up after spending most of our lives in the Labour Party arguing that gender, race or religion of the people representing the party should have no importance, and instead criteria should be decent socialists. But this party is obsessed with targets, and kinds of faces that appear in its pictures. So the old colonial minded bullies in the party go on head hunting for their kinds of ‘ethnic black and Asian’ ‘complaint’ candidates i.e. not necessarily socialists but @rse lickers of the likes of John Arnold. I am more likely to believe in flying pigs than what Arnold and company are saying on this one. Because in my experience they do not take actions against culprits. Example: Even after leaving the NuLabour for the respect of the old party and many good and decent people still in it, I provided them with official letters sent by Area Health Authority, (obviously printed, paid for and posted at the NHH’s expense), sent by one of their now current councillor, promoting her political career. If they mean what they are really saying then why that person was not kicked out of the party? I have not checked it but I was told that same person is now chairing John Denham’s ‘Prevent ‘project, which has massive budget under the excuse of combating extremism in Muslim community. But I suspect it to be a slush fund for buying religious based vote banks, which in the long run will produce same kind of disaster, which British Empire’s policies did in India and ended up dividing that sub-continent; while killing millions and making even larger number homeless in 1947. Talking about extremism and terrorism, I suggest people should look into the record of NuLabour. In 1995 there was a motion by me at Hampshire County Council against Islamic extremism and terrorism. Labour Group of which I was the member did not support me but it was only passed with the support of Conservatives and some Lib-Dems. I do not want to spill too many beans so won’t write anything about what was discussed on the same subject in Southampton Labour Group and what did John Arnold say. As mark of respect for the institution of British Democracy, I will always request all the political parties that they should make sure their candidates really believe in their ideology, which is more important than being politically correct. Oh by the way, YES Ashcroft is an interesting subject these days to pick on Tories, but I am equally interested in Lord Paul of NuLabour as well, why nobody seem to be stopping the rumours surrounding him and clear the air???? Finally I have delivered my socialist sermon, now over to those who want to practice their keyboard skills, while I am going to read Autosport. So no more danger of me bothering you good guys or responding to likely abuse.

Ha Ha Para Midget Caught you looking back to see who said what. How can you gain the respect of others, when you can't keep to your word????

Warness, for Oxford educated person I am amazed you could not even spell my name right. Don’t they teach paste and copy there anymore? Or could it be that these are new Oxford manners, as exhibited by some leading Tories who also went to that place?
Please remind me in case due to age I may have forgotten which word I have given you that I am not keeping. Your name does not ring any bell to me and I have not been socialising with any toffs from New Forest lately. To be exact yes I do visit Forest frequently only to watch beauty of nature and animals. But those wonderful creatures do not ask for promises, so there is no chance of having made any.
I will be thankful if you can solve this mystery.

warness wrote:

Condor Man wrote: good old Labour, the left is left fighting it out with each other, just like the good old days. If you look at the callibre of this candidate compared to the new wave of local Tory councillors you see what the problem is. Labour are still stuck in the dark ages, full of people who are great in talking shops and on committees but are shirkers, not workers.

And, pray tell me, oh knowledgable one.. Have you ever worked? no, I mean REALLY worked? No, I thought not. Anyone who can see solutions through political parties, worse, political figures, has only danced with the lemon. Also, I detect an undercurrent of racialism in your comments. Is this due to your racial bias, or cognitive dissonance with the fury of the window-ledge? As my oxford professor once said:- Beware he who, through forced demeanour, seeks to profit with a leer

Condor Man, Were you having too much of whiskey and Soda to imagine that left is fighting between itself? It may be difficult for you to grasp that we are all free to have different views. If Tories are controlled like sheep by their central office that is their problem, most of us on the left are free to have free and frank discussion. Try having some coffee then look at things bit more clearly than what you see through blue tinted glasses.
“Anyone who can see solutions through political parties, worse, political figures, has only danced with the lemon”. Warness
Warness has made this very valid point. Because main political parties have become over tribal, many people have started to put their faith in pressure groups. Is this good or bad for democracy deserves discussion.
“Also, I detect an undercurrent of racialism in your comments”. Writes Warness.
Warness, racism is evil, please be very careful before throwing this accusation around at lib. I have very carefully read what Condor Man has written, perhaps I am not hawk eyed like you. But I am not convinced that Conservative loving Condor had any racial motivation while writing that statement. I think he was merely trying to say that Tories have better talent in their Southampton Group. But being a Conservative fan he would say that won’t he? Personally as an independent individual having known many Tories over a period of time, and many friends in even NuLabour, I will dispute his claim.

Gloria25 wrote:
Tory purposed sell off to Hyde Housing will it be investigated?. big thieves are still hiding in cabinet. some thing should be done to bring the matter in to public investigation why this site was secretly given to only Hyde Housing? this raises a plenty of question to Tory led cabinet.

Gloria25, if you start demanding all the past land sales and projects of up to 25 or 30 years you may have a very strong point.
What happened during of Bevios Valley, Onslow Road and St Mary Road and street regeneration project, as reported in the media at the time was also disturbing. I was told that whole of the car park behind shops in St.Marys Street was given to a developer to build houses upon, for only ONE POUND. And may be some cash grant as well.
Also what happened to the art centre or complex that was going to be built in Nortahm Road, I notice it is still boarded up. Was any grant given to somebody for that project? If so why it still has not finished?
Did Hyde Housing not get friendly treatment from Labour run Council?
Problem is not if it is only Tories who are making a mess, which most of us know that it is their speciality so no surprise, but what this Council has been doing even under what was supposed to be people’s party and has turned into NuLabour?

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
I have always maintained that Mahatma Gandhi‘s life should be made compulsory reading for all the budding politicians.

Not only the chance to serve the people in democratic system is the greatest honour for any individual, but even allowing participation in it is a wonderful gift. I have no time for those who through their actions bring democracy into disrepute.

This case is New Labour’s self inflicted injury. By the look of it this individual was telling all kinds of porky pies, all over the place. I will find it hard to believe if with that amount of fibs, thrown around like confetti, others in NuLabour did not know about the habits of this person.

I and many others gave up after spending most of our lives in the Labour Party arguing that gender, race or religion of the people representing the party should have no importance, and instead criteria should be decent socialists. But this party is obsessed with targets, and kinds of faces that appear in its pictures. So the old colonial minded bullies in the party go on head hunting for their kinds of ‘ethnic black and Asian’ ‘complaint’ candidates i.e. not necessarily socialists but @rse lickers of the likes of John Arnold.

I am more likely to believe in flying pigs than what Arnold and company are saying on this one. Because in my experience they do not take actions against culprits. Example: Even after leaving the NuLabour for the respect of the old party and many good and decent people still in it, I provided them with official letters sent by Area Health Authority, (obviously printed, paid for and posted at the NHH’s expense), sent by one of their now current councillor, promoting her political career. If they mean what they are really saying then why that person was not kicked out of the party?
I have not checked it but I was told that same person is now chairing John Denham’s ‘Prevent ‘project, which has massive budget under the excuse of combating extremism in Muslim community. But I suspect it to be a slush fund for buying religious based vote banks, which in the long run will produce same kind of disaster, which British Empire’s policies did in India and ended up dividing that sub-continent; while killing millions and making even larger number homeless in 1947.

Talking about extremism and terrorism, I suggest people should look into the record of NuLabour. In 1995 there was a motion by me at Hampshire County Council against Islamic extremism and terrorism. Labour Group of which I was the member did not support me but it was only passed with the support of Conservatives and some Lib-Dems. I do not want to spill too many beans so won’t write anything about what was discussed on the same subject in Southampton Labour Group and what did John Arnold say.

As mark of respect for the institution of British Democracy, I will always request all the political parties that they should make sure their candidates really believe in their ideology, which is more important than being politically correct.

Oh by the way, YES Ashcroft is an interesting subject these days to pick on Tories, but I am equally interested in Lord Paul of NuLabour as well, why nobody seem to be stopping the rumours surrounding him and clear the air????

Finally I have delivered my socialist sermon, now over to those who want to practice their keyboard skills, while I am going to read Autosport. So no more danger of me bothering you good guys or responding to likely abuse.

I seem to have dozed off in my armchair. Please repeat your gripping monologue.

sw = test-vote
These Echo people have a sense of humour!

Paramjit I always admire your posts even if I don't always agree with your opinions. For instance it is definitely untrue to claim that tory politicians are any more constrained than labour in speaking their minds - in parliament they are exactly the same. And away from parliament, left and right each have equal room for idealogical free thinking - conviction tories like myself as pragmatists, socialists like yourself as dogmatists.
I think the best comment on this thread so far is from SocialUnrest who pointed out that this guy would happily have been a tory if it had offered him a better route to power and influence. I think that is true of a number of recent crooks - Derek Hatton, Ali Deazai, Lord Mandelson...... (oops)

This is a lack of foresight and judgement in selecting this man. It should serve as a lesson to anyone seeking public office.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

warness wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote: I have always maintained that Mahatma Gandhi‘s life should be made compulsory reading for all the budding politicians. Not only the chance to serve the people in democratic system is the greatest honour for any individual, but even allowing participation in it is a wonderful gift. I have no time for those who through their actions bring democracy into disrepute. This case is New Labour’s self inflicted injury. By the look of it this individual was telling all kinds of porky pies, all over the place. I will find it hard to believe if with that amount of fibs, thrown around like confetti, others in NuLabour did not know about the habits of this person. I and many others gave up after spending most of our lives in the Labour Party arguing that gender, race or religion of the people representing the party should have no importance, and instead criteria should be decent socialists. But this party is obsessed with targets, and kinds of faces that appear in its pictures. So the old colonial minded bullies in the party go on head hunting for their kinds of ‘ethnic black and Asian’ ‘complaint’ candidates i.e. not necessarily socialists but @rse lickers of the likes of John Arnold. I am more likely to believe in flying pigs than what Arnold and company are saying on this one. Because in my experience they do not take actions against culprits. Example: Even after leaving the NuLabour for the respect of the old party and many good and decent people still in it, I provided them with official letters sent by Area Health Authority, (obviously printed, paid for and posted at the NHH’s expense), sent by one of their now current councillor, promoting her political career. If they mean what they are really saying then why that person was not kicked out of the party? I have not checked it but I was told that same person is now chairing John Denham’s ‘Prevent ‘project, which has massive budget under the excuse of combating extremism in Muslim community. But I suspect it to be a slush fund for buying religious based vote banks, which in the long run will produce same kind of disaster, which British Empire’s policies did in India and ended up dividing that sub-continent; while killing millions and making even larger number homeless in 1947. Talking about extremism and terrorism, I suggest people should look into the record of NuLabour. In 1995 there was a motion by me at Hampshire County Council against Islamic extremism and terrorism. Labour Group of which I was the member did not support me but it was only passed with the support of Conservatives and some Lib-Dems. I do not want to spill too many beans so won’t write anything about what was discussed on the same subject in Southampton Labour Group and what did John Arnold say. As mark of respect for the institution of British Democracy, I will always request all the political parties that they should make sure their candidates really believe in their ideology, which is more important than being politically correct. Oh by the way, YES Ashcroft is an interesting subject these days to pick on Tories, but I am equally interested in Lord Paul of NuLabour as well, why nobody seem to be stopping the rumours surrounding him and clear the air???? Finally I have delivered my socialist sermon, now over to those who want to practice their keyboard skills, while I am going to read Autosport. So no more danger of me bothering you good guys or responding to likely abuse.

Ha Ha Para Midget Caught you looking back to see who said what. How can you gain the respect of others, when you can't keep to your word????

Warness, for Oxford educated person I am amazed you could not even spell my name right. Don’t they teach paste and copy there anymore? Or could it be that these are new Oxford manners, as exhibited by some leading Tories who also went to that place?
Please remind me in case due to age I may have forgotten which word I have given you that I am not keeping. Your name does not ring any bell to me and I have not been socialising with any toffs from New Forest lately. To be exact yes I do visit Forest frequently only to watch beauty of nature and animals. But those wonderful creatures do not ask for promises, so there is no chance of having made any.
I will be thankful if you can solve this mystery.

Anyone publicly parading the information they were taught by an Oxford professor is highly suspect, lacks humility, received a lopsided, one-sided, biased education and only has one foot and three brain cells in the real World. Whatever they say needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt and disregarded as fatuous, waffling frothy nonsense .

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

MrGMan wrote:
A stunning lack of judgement here.

you find problems like this dogg the top 5 partys.

It's funny how you never rush to point this out when a tory is caught cheating.

torys are more likely to cheat than the libs or lab, its in the nature of any right wing thinking person to cheat its that greed factor of wanting more takes over, has you and many others know i do not trust this nu-labour has much has i dont trust the torys. and you find i only pick on the torys because it balance it all up a bit has there more on here this web site that are true right wing voters

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

MrGMan wrote:
A stunning lack of judgement here.

you find problems like this dogg the top 5 partys.

It's funny how you never rush to point this out when a tory is caught cheating.

torys are more likely to cheat than the libs or lab, its in the nature of any right wing thinking person to cheat its that greed factor of wanting more takes over, has you and many others know i do not trust this nu-labour has much has i dont trust the torys. and you find i only pick on the torys because it balance it all up a bit has there more on here this web site that are true right wing voters

You really are a pathetic deluded little man aren't you? I could produce a few statistics to prove you wrong but as you can barely read and wouldn't understand the figures there is little point.

The Wickham Man wrote:
Paramjit I always admire your posts even if I don't always agree with your opinions. For instance it is definitely untrue to claim that tory politicians are any more constrained than labour in speaking their minds - in parliament they are exactly the same. And away from parliament, left and right each have equal room for idealogical free thinking - conviction tories like myself as pragmatists, socialists like yourself as dogmatists. I think the best comment on this thread so far is from SocialUnrest who pointed out that this guy would happily have been a tory if it had offered him a better route to power and influence. I think that is true of a number of recent crooks - Derek Hatton, Ali Deazai, Lord Mandelson...... (oops)

The last point that this guy would have joined any party that helped fulfilling his ambitions is absolutely right.
That is exactly why I have said that rather than pretending to be politically correct and have gender, race or religion based obsessions political parties should look for commitment to their ideology. Having spent most of my life in old Labour I can imagine how this disaster occurred considering John Arnold is now their president.
I have the feeling that action in this case only got taken because the Echo reporter had his teeth in. Otherwise why Labour has not disassociated from one of their councillors who abused National Health resources for own political work?
Although I had kept all the parties (Lib-Dems and Tories) informed about that abuse they did not make any noise on it either. Proves to me that unless press gets its teeth in our political establishment has no intention of getting rid of bad apples. Which in turn is harming our democracy, which we all take pride in, but sadly many do not demand its clean out. For example all the attention is focused on Cashcroft, but we are not told anything about people like Lord Paul of New Labour and many others who are subject of various rumours.

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

southy wrote:

MrGMan wrote:
A stunning lack of judgement here.

you find problems like this dogg the top 5 partys.

It's funny how you never rush to point this out when a tory is caught cheating.

torys are more likely to cheat than the libs or lab, its in the nature of any right wing thinking person to cheat its that greed factor of wanting more takes over, has you and many others know i do not trust this nu-labour has much has i dont trust the torys. and you find i only pick on the torys because it balance it all up a bit has there more on here this web site that are true right wing voters

You really are a pathetic deluded little man aren't you? I could produce a few statistics to prove you wrong but as you can barely read and wouldn't understand the figures there is little point.

the only way you could do that is to avoid any torys party members short comings, for every labour one your find there at lest 3 more torys on the fiddle. so theres only one deluded little man and that is you.

The prisons are just full of tory-voting thieves aren't they.

He is labour that says it all to me,they are part and parcel with the people they employ, dodgey lowlifes - freeloaders & cushy brown nosers, i am sick of labour, the conservatives are a lie to themselves and are not an alternative, the liberals are a waste of space. So there is only one vote & that is BNP. Onwards and upwards.
sw able-wait, mark my words.

jono1974 wrote:
He is labour that says it all to me,they are part and parcel with the people they employ, dodgey lowlifes - freeloaders & cushy brown nosers, i am sick of labour, the conservatives are a lie to themselves and are not an alternative, the liberals are a waste of space. So there is only one vote & that is BNP. Onwards and upwards.
sw able-wait, mark my words.

bnp should not even get 1 vote from sensible thinking people.
vote for an extreme right wing capitalist party and you will get trouble, should the fascist ever gain power in any key country you be heading for a world war bigger than the last one. think before you vote.
the only real alternatives are any of the socialists partys or ukip. we had 30 years now of right wing capitalist control so if you want an alternative then that only leaves the socialist groups TUSC the party for ordinary people. whitch is the majority of people

The Wickham Man wrote:
The prisons are just full of tory-voting thieves aren't they.

well there just might be, but you can the biggest crooks are tory voting people.

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:
The prisons are just full of tory-voting thieves aren't they.

well there just might be, but you can the biggest crooks are tory voting people.

Welcome to the real world of socialism where you can go from being bad to good just by changing your vote. A vote for Southy's party will be the last free vote your ever make. If his party ever get in it would be made an offence to ever vote tory (or anyone else) ever again.