Squeeze could see 32,000 affected across Hampshire (From Daily Echo)

The whole benefit system needs an overhaul, and if it's found that 32000 are claiming for benefits they shouldn't be then it can only be a good thing.

Anyway, when will the Echo be reporting of more job cuts at the "newpaper" because some of the editorial work is being outsourced to India ???

this is likely to go down well, just like the poll tax.

The powers that be have done an excellent job of separating "classes"
Currently, a large amount of middle class (anyone earning over 25K!!) believe that their tax is paying for the benefit scroungers and reguarly make comments about non tax payers...
People on benefits pay plenty of tax too, especially those with unhealthy lifestyles as tax on things like smoking contribute something like 4 times what it costs the NHS. The only tax they dont pay is income tax/NI contributons (even council tax is a recycled tax)
But, while the middle class lot are calling to slash benefits and force people to work, they are not realising that they may soon be in the same boat of scroungers for a number of reasons...
the market is unstable and jobs are not secure,
people being forced to work will be forced to work for lower incomes making it benficial to get rid of higher earners in favour of cheaper ones who have to take jobs.
Meanwhile, while the employed are looking down on the unemployed...the weathly MP's who are already earning top dosh for what is 1 day a week for many, and claiming all expenses while being exempt from certain taxes like...COUNCIL TAX (just like the unemployed)...well they are playing a very good game of "look over there at them" with the unemployed.
And all the time their fingers are artfully in everyones wallet except their own.
Mothers should be raising their children and should not be forced to work (or you get Project Caress intervening and that is one dodgy project!).
I agree there are some people playing the system but if you persecute them all, which is what is happening at the moment, then you also persecute those in genuine need...it could be you!

Where are the 32000 jobs in hampshire then? If the benefit system changes.

espanuel wrote:
Where are the 32000 jobs in hampshire then? If the benefit system changes.

there is none the unemployment numbers have all ready to start to grow, forget a recession we are going to fall into a fall depression with over 10 million unemployed even with hide the true figures thats been used for the last 25 years.

The Tories started fixing unemployment figures back in the Thatcher years, I see this as much of the same.

If they want to charge the benefit system in this country, they should stop the false claims for incapacity, disability benefits and alike, they should make laws stating that an individual or family that have not resided in the UK for least 2 years or made NI contributions for same amount of time, can not be entitled to any form of benefit, they should also stop child benefit being paid to everyone regardless of income.

I hate scroungers.

5 years ago, I had 10 weeks between contracts. I didn't fancy hanging around with my wife for that long, so I went to an employment agency in the afternoon, and I was working at 9pm same day. I then got a driving job to cover weekends, and was offered another 2 jobs that week.
THERE ARE JOBS FOR EVERYONE IN HAMPSHIRE.
The only people who don't work are the lazy and the mad.

southy wrote:
this is likely to go down well, just like the poll tax.

The poll tax works, why should I have to pay £100 a month when it is only me and my partner living in my house and produce little rubbish when another house down the road has 10 people living in it (the same size house btw) and the waste they producing is 5x ours and they are paying less per person?

StEmmosfire wrote:

southy wrote: this is likely to go down well, just like the poll tax.

The poll tax works, why should I have to pay £100 a month when it is only me and my partner living in my house and produce little rubbish when another house down the road has 10 people living in it (the same size house btw) and the waste they producing is 5x ours and they are paying less per person?

Well,
Your choice to live in woolston?

now in the north wrote:
The powers that be have done an excellent job of separating "classes" Currently, a large amount of middle class (anyone earning over 25K!!) believe that their tax is paying for the benefit scroungers and reguarly make comments about non tax payers... People on benefits pay plenty of tax too, especially those with unhealthy lifestyles as tax on things like smoking contribute something like 4 times what it costs the NHS. The only tax they dont pay is income tax/NI contributons (even council tax is a recycled tax) But, while the middle class lot are calling to slash benefits and force people to work, they are not realising that they may soon be in the same boat of scroungers for a number of reasons... the market is unstable and jobs are not secure, people being forced to work will be forced to work for lower incomes making it benficial to get rid of higher earners in favour of cheaper ones who have to take jobs. Meanwhile, while the employed are looking down on the unemployed...the weathly MP's who are already earning top dosh for what is 1 day a week for many, and claiming all expenses while being exempt from certain taxes like...COUNCIL TAX (just like the unemployed)...well they are playing a very good game of "look over there at them" with the unemployed. And all the time their fingers are artfully in everyones wallet except their own. Mothers should be raising their children and should not be forced to work (or you get Project Caress intervening and that is one dodgy project!). I agree there are some people playing the system but if you persecute them all, which is what is happening at the moment, then you also persecute those in genuine need...it could be you!

So you think anyone earning 25K is middle classed? What a load of twaddle.
Class does'nt come into it when there is mortgage to pay every month and the costs of running a vehicle to keep your job to pay the bills.

The lower classes (those earning under 25k as you put it) or those that live in social housing have a safety net. If they lose their job, the rent and other benefits get paid.

If it were the case that my mortgage got paid as a benefit should i lose my job then of course i may consider "playing the system" but it won't and i can't.

Atpost wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

southy wrote: this is likely to go down well, just like the poll tax.

The poll tax works, why should I have to pay £100 a month when it is only me and my partner living in my house and produce little rubbish when another house down the road has 10 people living in it (the same size house btw) and the waste they producing is 5x ours and they are paying less per person?

Well, Your choice to live in woolston?

Is it any cheaper in Minehead? thought not. As for being as unpopular as the Poll Tax anyone who's experienced the benefits system will know how totally unfair it is. It was designed to help out people who were either between jobs or unable to work on medical grounds. Now people choose to live on benefits as a lifestyle option. It's not fair on the majority who pump money into the system. Time to cut the lead-swingers off.

Just passed the (closed) red lion in totton.
Saw Condor Man washing cars in the car-park.
Now - there is a TRUE capitalist

Atpost wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

southy wrote: this is likely to go down well, just like the poll tax.

The poll tax works, why should I have to pay £100 a month when it is only me and my partner living in my house and produce little rubbish when another house down the road has 10 people living in it (the same size house btw) and the waste they producing is 5x ours and they are paying less per person?

Well,
Your choice to live in woolston?

and those 10 people are taking less space than you are, council tax should be work how much space you personally need for your self, and its more than likely that family of 10 cant afford brand new stuff and are buying second hand so in a way they are recycling by buying second hand stuff, where has you buy brand new stuff to replace out of date stuff, they could be even be buying the rubbish that you giving away.

D.a.v.e wrote:

now in the north wrote:
The powers that be have done an excellent job of separating "classes" Currently, a large amount of middle class (anyone earning over 25K!!) believe that their tax is paying for the benefit scroungers and reguarly make comments about non tax payers... People on benefits pay plenty of tax too, especially those with unhealthy lifestyles as tax on things like smoking contribute something like 4 times what it costs the NHS. The only tax they dont pay is income tax/NI contributons (even council tax is a recycled tax) But, while the middle class lot are calling to slash benefits and force people to work, they are not realising that they may soon be in the same boat of scroungers for a number of reasons... the market is unstable and jobs are not secure, people being forced to work will be forced to work for lower incomes making it benficial to get rid of higher earners in favour of cheaper ones who have to take jobs. Meanwhile, while the employed are looking down on the unemployed...the weathly MP's who are already earning top dosh for what is 1 day a week for many, and claiming all expenses while being exempt from certain taxes like...COUNCIL TAX (just like the unemployed)...well they are playing a very good game of "look over there at them" with the unemployed. And all the time their fingers are artfully in everyones wallet except their own. Mothers should be raising their children and should not be forced to work (or you get Project Caress intervening and that is one dodgy project!). I agree there are some people playing the system but if you persecute them all, which is what is happening at the moment, then you also persecute those in genuine need...it could be you!

So you think anyone earning 25K is middle classed? What a load of twaddle.
Class does'nt come into it when there is mortgage to pay every month and the costs of running a vehicle to keep your job to pay the bills.

The lower classes (those earning under 25k as you put it) or those that live in social housing have a safety net. If they lose their job, the rent and other benefits get paid.

If it were the case that my mortgage got paid as a benefit should i lose my job then of course i may consider "playing the system" but it won't and i can't.

they dont get there rent or other benefits paid for they get a % of it paid, same has you with your mortgage can get a % of your mortgage paid.

Condor Man wrote:

Atpost wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

southy wrote: this is likely to go down well, just like the poll tax.

The poll tax works, why should I have to pay £100 a month when it is only me and my partner living in my house and produce little rubbish when another house down the road has 10 people living in it (the same size house btw) and the waste they producing is 5x ours and they are paying less per person?

Well, Your choice to live in woolston?

Is it any cheaper in Minehead? thought not. As for being as unpopular as the Poll Tax anyone who's experienced the benefits system will know how totally unfair it is. It was designed to help out people who were either between jobs or unable to work on medical grounds. Now people choose to live on benefits as a lifestyle option. It's not fair on the majority who pump money into the system. Time to cut the lead-swingers off.

they also may not have the choice too, has the unemployment numbers have been far greater than theres been job vacancies and has been like that since the maggies era.

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

Atpost wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

southy wrote: this is likely to go down well, just like the poll tax.

The poll tax works, why should I have to pay £100 a month when it is only me and my partner living in my house and produce little rubbish when another house down the road has 10 people living in it (the same size house btw) and the waste they producing is 5x ours and they are paying less per person?

Well, Your choice to live in woolston?

Is it any cheaper in Minehead? thought not. As for being as unpopular as the Poll Tax anyone who's experienced the benefits system will know how totally unfair it is. It was designed to help out people who were either between jobs or unable to work on medical grounds. Now people choose to live on benefits as a lifestyle option. It's not fair on the majority who pump money into the system. Time to cut the lead-swingers off.

they also may not have the choice too, has the unemployment numbers have been far greater than theres been job vacancies and has been like that since the maggies era.

Well there would be more jobs available to people if unskilled immigration wasnt allowed.

Get the work-shy scroungers back to work!!!
Stop screwing the system!!

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

Atpost wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

southy wrote: this is likely to go down well, just like the poll tax.

The poll tax works, why should I have to pay £100 a month when it is only me and my partner living in my house and produce little rubbish when another house down the road has 10 people living in it (the same size house btw) and the waste they producing is 5x ours and they are paying less per person?

Well, Your choice to live in woolston?

Is it any cheaper in Minehead? thought not. As for being as unpopular as the Poll Tax anyone who's experienced the benefits system will know how totally unfair it is. It was designed to help out people who were either between jobs or unable to work on medical grounds. Now people choose to live on benefits as a lifestyle option. It's not fair on the majority who pump money into the system. Time to cut the lead-swingers off.

they also may not have the choice too, has the unemployment numbers have been far greater than theres been job vacancies and has been like that since the maggies era.

over 10000 people came to work in Southampton from Poland. Had the locals taken those jobs unemployment in the city would be minimal. My mate works in a warehouse and is one of the few natives on the pay roll. It's not badly paid work, I can't see why your neighbours aren't taking it up? I have worked for low wages when I've been between jobs, I made up my money in tax credits. I can't see why people can't take up work unless they lack the social skills and discipline to keep a job down (which is the main reason why people are unemployed).

I think this is terrible targeting 32000 benefit receivers-- havent pompey suffered enough ?

Condor Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

Atpost wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

southy wrote: this is likely to go down well, just like the poll tax.

The poll tax works, why should I have to pay £100 a month when it is only me and my partner living in my house and produce little rubbish when another house down the road has 10 people living in it (the same size house btw) and the waste they producing is 5x ours and they are paying less per person?

Well, Your choice to live in woolston?

Is it any cheaper in Minehead? thought not. As for being as unpopular as the Poll Tax anyone who's experienced the benefits system will know how totally unfair it is. It was designed to help out people who were either between jobs or unable to work on medical grounds. Now people choose to live on benefits as a lifestyle option. It's not fair on the majority who pump money into the system. Time to cut the lead-swingers off.

they also may not have the choice too, has the unemployment numbers have been far greater than theres been job vacancies and has been like that since the maggies era.

over 10000 people came to work in Southampton from Poland. Had the locals taken those jobs unemployment in the city would be minimal. My mate works in a warehouse and is one of the few natives on the pay roll. It's not badly paid work, I can't see why your neighbours aren't taking it up? I have worked for low wages when I've been between jobs, I made up my money in tax credits. I can't see why people can't take up work unless they lack the social skills and discipline to keep a job down (which is the main reason why people are unemployed).

dont over do it condor there is not 10,000 polish that came to work in southampton at all, you might make that number if you counted it from 1945, the polish come here for 6mts then leave, and come back in 6mths times, they do this so they dont have to pay british taxes on there wages. very few off them do stay here full time.

StEmmosfire wrote:

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

Atpost wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

southy wrote: this is likely to go down well, just like the poll tax.

The poll tax works, why should I have to pay £100 a month when it is only me and my partner living in my house and produce little rubbish when another house down the road has 10 people living in it (the same size house btw) and the waste they producing is 5x ours and they are paying less per person?

Well, Your choice to live in woolston?

Is it any cheaper in Minehead? thought not. As for being as unpopular as the Poll Tax anyone who's experienced the benefits system will know how totally unfair it is. It was designed to help out people who were either between jobs or unable to work on medical grounds. Now people choose to live on benefits as a lifestyle option. It's not fair on the majority who pump money into the system. Time to cut the lead-swingers off.

they also may not have the choice too, has the unemployment numbers have been far greater than theres been job vacancies and has been like that since the maggies era.

Well there would be more jobs available to people if unskilled immigration wasnt allowed.

the only way you stop that is if we pull out of the EU, and there is only one group of people willing to do this or give the vote to do so, and that is your socialists, no others want to leave the EU.

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

Atpost wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

southy wrote: this is likely to go down well, just like the poll tax.

The poll tax works, why should I have to pay £100 a month when it is only me and my partner living in my house and produce little rubbish when another house down the road has 10 people living in it (the same size house btw) and the waste they producing is 5x ours and they are paying less per person?

Well, Your choice to live in woolston?

Is it any cheaper in Minehead? thought not. As for being as unpopular as the Poll Tax anyone who's experienced the benefits system will know how totally unfair it is. It was designed to help out people who were either between jobs or unable to work on medical grounds. Now people choose to live on benefits as a lifestyle option. It's not fair on the majority who pump money into the system. Time to cut the lead-swingers off.

they also may not have the choice too, has the unemployment numbers have been far greater than theres been job vacancies and has been like that since the maggies era.

over 10000 people came to work in Southampton from Poland. Had the locals taken those jobs unemployment in the city would be minimal. My mate works in a warehouse and is one of the few natives on the pay roll. It's not badly paid work, I can't see why your neighbours aren't taking it up? I have worked for low wages when I've been between jobs, I made up my money in tax credits. I can't see why people can't take up work unless they lack the social skills and discipline to keep a job down (which is the main reason why people are unemployed).

dont over do it condor there is not 10,000 polish that came to work in southampton at all, you might make that number if you counted it from 1945, the polish come here for 6mts then leave, and come back in 6mths times, they do this so they dont have to pay british taxes on there wages. very few off them do stay here full time.

As I have said in the past, the majority of eastern europeans do NOT contribute long term in the economy....... you disagreed with me back then !...

There ARE jobs out there its just the vast majority of natives are too d@mn lazy to get of their arses to go and find them. Once the benefit systems has been sorted out then we will find out who the real shirkers are.

Cyber-Fug wrote:

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

Atpost wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

southy wrote: this is likely to go down well, just like the poll tax.

The poll tax works, why should I have to pay £100 a month when it is only me and my partner living in my house and produce little rubbish when another house down the road has 10 people living in it (the same size house btw) and the waste they producing is 5x ours and they are paying less per person?

Well, Your choice to live in woolston?

Is it any cheaper in Minehead? thought not. As for being as unpopular as the Poll Tax anyone who's experienced the benefits system will know how totally unfair it is. It was designed to help out people who were either between jobs or unable to work on medical grounds. Now people choose to live on benefits as a lifestyle option. It's not fair on the majority who pump money into the system. Time to cut the lead-swingers off.

they also may not have the choice too, has the unemployment numbers have been far greater than theres been job vacancies and has been like that since the maggies era.

over 10000 people came to work in Southampton from Poland. Had the locals taken those jobs unemployment in the city would be minimal. My mate works in a warehouse and is one of the few natives on the pay roll. It's not badly paid work, I can't see why your neighbours aren't taking it up? I have worked for low wages when I've been between jobs, I made up my money in tax credits. I can't see why people can't take up work unless they lack the social skills and discipline to keep a job down (which is the main reason why people are unemployed).

dont over do it condor there is not 10,000 polish that came to work in southampton at all, you might make that number if you counted it from 1945, the polish come here for 6mts then leave, and come back in 6mths times, they do this so they dont have to pay british taxes on there wages. very few off them do stay here full time.

As I have said in the past, the majority of eastern europeans do NOT contribute long term in the economy....... you disagreed with me back then !...

There ARE jobs out there its just the vast majority of natives are too d@mn lazy to get of their arses to go and find them. Once the benefit systems has been sorted out then we will find out who the real shirkers are.

i have disagreed with you, theres not that many eastern europians in the uk, most that are from europe is from western europe. and they dont tend to take the full time jobs just short term temp jobs.
the truth of it all is there is the wrong jobs in the country and we dont produce enough for export, maggie see to that, even if you got rid of all the oversea work force here, there still be a greater number off unemployed to what there is in job vacancies, you go back before the maggie era, you could leave a full time job in the morning, and be back in another full time job in the afternoon, and it was because of this why wages and working conditions where better then than they are now, a company if wanted to keep its best work force had to pay the best wages and give the best working conditions and work shorter hours.
but maggie swap this around in one easy way push the unemployed up, make people unemployed, thats one of the reason why the tory-con party is known has the party off high unemployment.

Southy, one of the major reasons why there is local unemployment is because of the lack of a sizeable middle class in the city. Look at a place like Winchester, a small city but low unemployment. Why? because it has a well educated work force. Southampton relied too heavily on Vospers, Fords and the docks to provide jobs and when they all contracted there were loads of people without a good enough academic education to pick up new jobs- in the end they went to places like Reading and Basingstoke.

condor go and listen to this video on capitalism what its really like. its from you tube. your lot that you what to see in power the right wing, what this to happen in this country to and have been working towards it for 30 years.

http://www.facebook.
com/video/video.php?
v=159216125164

be quick lo and any one else who wants to watch it, where ever the right wing find this up on a web site, they get it off the web site, its been pull off sites 11 times today. and this video clip is to close to the truth.

bl00dy hell that's enough people to fill St Marys or Fratton park twice!

Atpost wrote:
I hate scroungers.

5 years ago, I had 10 weeks between contracts. I didn't fancy hanging around with my wife for that long, so I went to an employment agency in the afternoon, and I was working at 9pm same day. I then got a driving job to cover weekends, and was offered another 2 jobs that week.
THERE ARE JOBS FOR EVERYONE IN HAMPSHIRE.
The only people who don't work are the lazy and the mad.

Why yes, if, 5 years ago, one person managed to find a job, that clearly indicates that there should be zero unemployment now. Well done!

southy wrote:
condor go and listen to this video on capitalism what its really like. its from you tube. your lot that you what to see in power the right wing, what this to happen in this country to and have been working towards it for 30 years.

http://www.facebook.

com/video/video.php?

v=159216125164

be quick lo and any one else who wants to watch it, where ever the right wing find this up on a web site, they get it off the web site, its been pull off sites 11 times today. and this video clip is to close to the truth.

But everything on the internet is a lie, according to endless arguments I've seen you make in the past

Ah yes are these the same ConDem overhauls of our benefits system that saw a soldier with one leg blown off a couple of years ago who was drawing benefits only to be told that he could hobble 50 yard and was therefore able to get work.
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If you think that this is designed just to sort out the scroungers you are wrong. There will be many innocent people deprived of the benefits they deserve and need to keep a roof over their heads and keep their families fed.
.
Yes we all hope that the scroungers are sorted out........but the fear is the justified claimant that will be deprivred of benefit.

Victorian Principles wrote:

Atpost wrote: I hate scroungers. 5 years ago, I had 10 weeks between contracts. I didn't fancy hanging around with my wife for that long, so I went to an employment agency in the afternoon, and I was working at 9pm same day. I then got a driving job to cover weekends, and was offered another 2 jobs that week. THERE ARE JOBS FOR EVERYONE IN HAMPSHIRE. The only people who don't work are the lazy and the mad.

Why yes, if, 5 years ago, one person managed to find a job, that clearly indicates that there should be zero unemployment now. Well done!

What I was demonstrating, is that the thousands of jobs advertised daily are real, 5 years ago or now.
If you look at the same issues today, you will see vacancies vacant for long periods, till the kosovans come and tak them.
I assume by your stance that you are a scrounger?

What a great thread - good points made by many contributors but unusually this includes good posts from N.I.T.N and Southy though he did spoil it a bit at the end. Just one small correction Southy - I believe the BNP want us out of Europe too for the same reasons that you do. Hmmmm.....

Lone Ranger wrote:
Ah yes are these the same ConDem overhauls of our benefits system that saw a soldier with one leg blown off a couple of years ago who was drawing benefits only to be told that he could hobble 50 yard and was therefore able to get work. . If you think that this is designed just to sort out the scroungers you are wrong. There will be many innocent people deprived of the benefits they deserve and need to keep a roof over their heads and keep their families fed. . Yes we all hope that the scroungers are sorted out........but the fear is the justified claimant that will be deprivred of benefit.

yeah, like the time an MOD employee got a bigger payout for an RSI than a wounded soldier coming back from Afghanistan- that was pre May 2010.

Atpost wrote:

Victorian Principles wrote:

Atpost wrote: I hate scroungers. 5 years ago, I had 10 weeks between contracts. I didn't fancy hanging around with my wife for that long, so I went to an employment agency in the afternoon, and I was working at 9pm same day. I then got a driving job to cover weekends, and was offered another 2 jobs that week. THERE ARE JOBS FOR EVERYONE IN HAMPSHIRE. The only people who don't work are the lazy and the mad.

Why yes, if, 5 years ago, one person managed to find a job, that clearly indicates that there should be zero unemployment now. Well done!

What I was demonstrating, is that the thousands of jobs advertised daily are real, 5 years ago or now.
If you look at the same issues today, you will see vacancies vacant for long periods, till the kosovans come and tak them.
I assume by your stance that you are a scrounger?

What stance? I've indicated no stance, I've just pointed out a flaw in your argument. Maybe you should spend a bit less time making assumptions, eh?

I'm employed, by the way, and I'm willing to bet I pay a good deal more income tax than you do.

The Wickham Man wrote:
What a great thread - good points made by many contributors but unusually this includes good posts from N.I.T.N and Southy though he did spoil it a bit at the end. Just one small correction Southy - I believe the BNP want us out of Europe too for the same reasons that you do. Hmmmm.....

Shame about some of the posts, though. Mainly of the "just stop people's benefits" variety. What do these people think those impacted will do? Just give up and starve to death? Or take to crime? It's a difficult problem, but just abandoning whole sections of society isn't the answer, and for pragmatic rather than bleeding-heart reasons.

What southy fails to appreciate is that greed and corruption are very much failings of individuals, it's innate in human nature, not a component of any political ideal. The hardcore socialist leader is no less greedy and self-serving than the most capitalist of capitalists.

Cyber-Fug wrote:
The whole benefit system needs an overhaul, and if it's found that 32000 are claiming for benefits they shouldn't be then it can only be a good thing.

Anyway, when will the Echo be reporting of more job cuts at the "newpaper" because some of the editorial work is being outsourced to India ???

David Cameron wants the UK to export more to India. The Echo is acting on his request and exporting UK jobs.

there are needy people. people who do need the help of a supportive caring society...... but..... there are not 32,000 of them in hampshire FCS...... lets get real. people in a lonsdale hoody and a walking stick who fit carpets in their spare time and earn more than nurses when benefits and their tax-free cash-in-hand carpet fitting income is added together are not "needy" , forget "thatcher" , forget "cameron" forget "blair" etc etc etc just remember there are thousands simply taking the pee who scrounge of hard workers.

Victorian Principles wrote:
What southy fails to appreciate is that greed and corruption are very much failings of individuals, it's innate in human nature, not a component of any political ideal. The hardcore socialist leader is no less greedy and self-serving than the most capitalist of capitalists.

Oh dear, that same stance of attempted intellectual superiority. Couple that with the previous point of paying more income tax than me, and what have you got?

Mr social insecurity.

You are not impressing me, you small bald fellow with a big chip on your shoulder.

Atpost wrote:

Victorian Principles wrote:
What southy fails to appreciate is that greed and corruption are very much failings of individuals, it's innate in human nature, not a component of any political ideal. The hardcore socialist leader is no less greedy and self-serving than the most capitalist of capitalists.

Oh dear, that same stance of attempted intellectual superiority. Couple that with the previous point of paying more income tax than me, and what have you got?

Mr social insecurity.

You are not impressing me, you small bald fellow with a big chip on your shoulder.

Why would I care about impressing a random dullard who's this bitter about having to work for a living?

By the way, this "I can tell all sorts of things about your life from one post on the internet" act is sooooo 5 years ago. Trolling's moved on a bit since then, do try and keep up.

Victorian Principles wrote:
By the way, this "I can tell all sorts of things about your life from one post on the internet" act is sooooo 5 years ago. Trolling's moved on a bit since then, do try and keep up.

Mr social insecurity.

You are not impressing me, you small bald fellow with a big chip on your shoulder.

Atpost wrote:

Victorian Principles wrote:
By the way, this "I can tell all sorts of things about your life from one post on the internet" act is sooooo 5 years ago. Trolling's moved on a bit since then, do try and keep up.

Mr social insecurity.

You are not impressing me, you small bald fellow with a big chip on your shoulder.

Yeh you've already used that tired old internet cliche. Try something else.

Victorian Principles wrote:

Atpost wrote:

Victorian Principles wrote: By the way, this "I can tell all sorts of things about your life from one post on the internet" act is sooooo 5 years ago. Trolling's moved on a bit since then, do try and keep up.

Mr social insecurity. You are not impressing me, you small bald fellow with a big chip on your shoulder.

Yeh you've already used that tired old internet cliche. Try something else.

Mr social insecurity.

You are not impressing me, you small bald fellow with a big chip on your shoulder

Atpost wrote:

Victorian Principles wrote:

Atpost wrote:

Victorian Principles wrote: By the way, this "I can tell all sorts of things about your life from one post on the internet" act is sooooo 5 years ago. Trolling's moved on a bit since then, do try and keep up.

Mr social insecurity. You are not impressing me, you small bald fellow with a big chip on your shoulder.

Yeh you've already used that tired old internet cliche. Try something else.

Mr social insecurity.

You are not impressing me, you small bald fellow with a big chip on your shoulder

Dear oh dear. Talk to me about chips on shoulders! You've got nothing to say about the issues at hand, you've got nothing to offer other than off-the-shelf personal insults. A weak, weak mind. GTFO my internets, there's a good lad

Victorian Principles wrote:

Atpost wrote:

Victorian Principles wrote:

Atpost wrote:

Victorian Principles wrote: By the way, this "I can tell all sorts of things about your life from one post on the internet" act is sooooo 5 years ago. Trolling's moved on a bit since then, do try and keep up.

Mr social insecurity. You are not impressing me, you small bald fellow with a big chip on your shoulder.

Yeh you've already used that tired old internet cliche. Try something else.

Mr social insecurity. You are not impressing me, you small bald fellow with a big chip on your shoulder

Dear oh dear. Talk to me about chips on shoulders! You've got nothing to say about the issues at hand, you've got nothing to offer other than off-the-shelf personal insults. A weak, weak mind. GTFO my internets, there's a good lad

Mr social insecurity.

You are not impressing me, you small bald fellow with a big chip on your shoulder

in truth all government spending is entries on a computer screen , all hard earned taxes go into the bank of international settlements to be lent through investment banks , the poor and the sick and old are not scamming anyone , the whole system is a criminal fraud and ponzi scheme.

Denham has bungled almost everything that he has attempted, so he is offering good advice.

Atpost - very weak

Over the last year graduate unemployed has rocketed. The effects of the recession has eaten into all forms of employment and I am hearing hundreds of examples of literally hundreds and hundreds of people going for one job!
It is completely utopian to beleive that it is solely bad education standards that lead to unemployment . The example of Winchester just doesnt stack up. Affluent people move to Winchester. The young move out elswhere for employment. That is to me me the answer as to why there is low unemployment in Winchester (by the way, I havent seen stats to tell me what the unemployment rate is in Winchester)
Is there any where we can go to find out who exactly are these 'scroungers' who are ripping of the system? (Dont just say people in Weston, Thornhill or Millbrook! I think we need facts. I know many people from these areas thrown out of good jobs in the last year due to the recession!)
How many of them are there?
I expect it may be easier to find out who avoid paying tax which is in my opinion a far far bigger problem than people on benefits.
When I see IDS and his Tory chums taking this issue seriously than I may just listen to his proposals on benefits.
Until then..........

Iw61 wrote:
Over the last year graduate unemployed has rocketed. The effects of the recession has eaten into all forms of employment and I am hearing hundreds of examples of literally hundreds and hundreds of people going for one job! It is completely utopian to beleive that it is solely bad education standards that lead to unemployment . The example of Winchester just doesnt stack up. Affluent people move to Winchester. The young move out elswhere for employment. That is to me me the answer as to why there is low unemployment in Winchester (by the way, I havent seen stats to tell me what the unemployment rate is in Winchester) Is there any where we can go to find out who exactly are these 'scroungers' who are ripping of the system? (Dont just say people in Weston, Thornhill or Millbrook! I think we need facts. I know many people from these areas thrown out of good jobs in the last year due to the recession!) How many of them are there? I expect it may be easier to find out who avoid paying tax which is in my opinion a far far bigger problem than people on benefits. When I see IDS and his Tory chums taking this issue seriously than I may just listen to his proposals on benefits. Until then..........

step into the real world, we've become a 2 tier society with haves and have nots. I'm lucky to be in the former although on paper I don't have a lot more than some of the others on benefits. What I do have, however, is the dignity to go to work for not a great wage so at least when I go to the shops I know the money I'm spending is mine. When I pay my mortgage I know in the future my property will be mine. A young girl with kids who's never worked and lives on housing benefit whilst her boyfriend 'lives' at the flat and works 'on the side' (but according to the DSS is on the dole and lives elsewhere) is the root cause of this country's social demise. It's easy to blame the bankers, at least they still earn money and pay tax.

I think AtPost had a few too many last night

The Wickham Man wrote:
What a great thread - good points made by many contributors but unusually this includes good posts from N.I.T.N and Southy though he did spoil it a bit at the end. Just one small correction Southy - I believe the BNP want us out of Europe too for the same reasons that you do. Hmmmm.....

wickham if you see what they are up to in the EU then you relise the BNP dont want out of europe they are just saying that so they can pick up votes, they have all ready shown there true colours where the EU is concern and joined the gravy train of the EU.
so there is no correction there, there is how ever another lot who did wanted out of the EU and that was UKIP but theres been a change of heart there, so it comes back to the Socialist is the only group that wants out of the EU.

Victorian Principles wrote:

southy wrote:
condor go and listen to this video on capitalism what its really like. its from you tube. your lot that you what to see in power the right wing, what this to happen in this country to and have been working towards it for 30 years.

http://www.facebook.


com/video/video.php?


v=159216125164

be quick lo and any one else who wants to watch it, where ever the right wing find this up on a web site, they get it off the web site, its been pull off sites 11 times today. and this video clip is to close to the truth.

But everything on the internet is a lie, according to endless arguments I've seen you make in the past

this was taken from a live show, and i have never ever said everything on the internet is a lie, i have said there is a lot of errors on the internet for information. so if you going to twist words do better than that.

Victorian Principles wrote:
What southy fails to appreciate is that greed and corruption are very much failings of individuals, it's innate in human nature, not a component of any political ideal. The hardcore socialist leader is no less greedy and self-serving than the most capitalist of capitalists.

you find the biggest corruption falls on the capitalist side all ways have done, they will even change laws so they can cover up there corruption, and its not innate in human nature its normally breed into them, or others see what they are getting away with so they try it them selfs.
a hard core socialist is not greedy at all, if they are then they are not socialists, to be a socialist means to be fair and to share and keep every thing an open book for all to see.
capitalism is the opposite. it means greed and to keep all they can, and to try and keep that book closed so no one can see what really going on.

Condor Man wrote:

Iw61 wrote:
Over the last year graduate unemployed has rocketed. The effects of the recession has eaten into all forms of employment and I am hearing hundreds of examples of literally hundreds and hundreds of people going for one job! It is completely utopian to beleive that it is solely bad education standards that lead to unemployment . The example of Winchester just doesnt stack up. Affluent people move to Winchester. The young move out elswhere for employment. That is to me me the answer as to why there is low unemployment in Winchester (by the way, I havent seen stats to tell me what the unemployment rate is in Winchester) Is there any where we can go to find out who exactly are these 'scroungers' who are ripping of the system? (Dont just say people in Weston, Thornhill or Millbrook! I think we need facts. I know many people from these areas thrown out of good jobs in the last year due to the recession!) How many of them are there? I expect it may be easier to find out who avoid paying tax which is in my opinion a far far bigger problem than people on benefits. When I see IDS and his Tory chums taking this issue seriously than I may just listen to his proposals on benefits. Until then..........

step into the real world, we've become a 2 tier society with haves and have nots. I'm lucky to be in the former although on paper I don't have a lot more than some of the others on benefits. What I do have, however, is the dignity to go to work for not a great wage so at least when I go to the shops I know the money I'm spending is mine. When I pay my mortgage I know in the future my property will be mine. A young girl with kids who's never worked and lives on housing benefit whilst her boyfriend 'lives' at the flat and works 'on the side' (but according to the DSS is on the dole and lives elsewhere) is the root cause of this country's social demise. It's easy to blame the bankers, at least they still earn money and pay tax.

Condor, I think it is you who suffers from living in some kind of alternative reality. You havent addressed any of the points I raise except for making a rather silly point about bankers. Millions of people see the problems the bankers have put you and I and many, many others in but you insist on ignoring that fact, worse you actually accept what they have done!!
People on benefits are not the cause of this countrys 'social' demise as you put it. Yes it is a problem that needs to be dealt with but by attacking a safety net which protects all of us from the worst ravages of the free market and an un-regulated banking system you side with the cause rather than being part of the solution.
You dont half talk some rubbish!!!

southy wrote:

Cyber-Fug wrote:

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

Atpost wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

southy wrote: this is likely to go down well, just like the poll tax.

The poll tax works, why should I have to pay £100 a month when it is only me and my partner living in my house and produce little rubbish when another house down the road has 10 people living in it (the same size house btw) and the waste they producing is 5x ours and they are paying less per person?

Well, Your choice to live in woolston?

Is it any cheaper in Minehead? thought not. As for being as unpopular as the Poll Tax anyone who's experienced the benefits system will know how totally unfair it is. It was designed to help out people who were either between jobs or unable to work on medical grounds. Now people choose to live on benefits as a lifestyle option. It's not fair on the majority who pump money into the system. Time to cut the lead-swingers off.

they also may not have the choice too, has the unemployment numbers have been far greater than theres been job vacancies and has been like that since the maggies era.

over 10000 people came to work in Southampton from Poland. Had the locals taken those jobs unemployment in the city would be minimal. My mate works in a warehouse and is one of the few natives on the pay roll. It's not badly paid work, I can't see why your neighbours aren't taking it up? I have worked for low wages when I've been between jobs, I made up my money in tax credits. I can't see why people can't take up work unless they lack the social skills and discipline to keep a job down (which is the main reason why people are unemployed).

dont over do it condor there is not 10,000 polish that came to work in southampton at all, you might make that number if you counted it from 1945, the polish come here for 6mts then leave, and come back in 6mths times, they do this so they dont have to pay british taxes on there wages. very few off them do stay here full time.

As I have said in the past, the majority of eastern europeans do NOT contribute long term in the economy....... you disagreed with me back then !...

There ARE jobs out there its just the vast majority of natives are too d@mn lazy to get of their arses to go and find them. Once the benefit systems has been sorted out then we will find out who the real shirkers are.

i have disagreed with you, theres not that many eastern europians in the uk, most that are from europe is from western europe. and they dont tend to take the full time jobs just short term temp jobs.
the truth of it all is there is the wrong jobs in the country and we dont produce enough for export, maggie see to that, even if you got rid of all the oversea work force here, there still be a greater number off unemployed to what there is in job vacancies, you go back before the maggie era, you could leave a full time job in the morning, and be back in another full time job in the afternoon, and it was because of this why wages and working conditions where better then than they are now, a company if wanted to keep its best work force had to pay the best wages and give the best working conditions and work shorter hours.
but maggie swap this around in one easy way push the unemployed up, make people unemployed, thats one of the reason why the tory-con party is known has the party off high unemployment.

Well , to start with, if you divide Europe in half Poland is defiantly in the east !

I agree with you that we don't produce enough for export, but I don't see how you can blame Maggie for the rise in the ultra cheap products coming in from the Far East !

You keep in harking back to maggies days and even before Maggie, but one thing you keep ignoring is technology. The world has changed and moved forward and unless you embrace these changes, you will get left behind.

It may have been possible to go from one job to another, but it didn't improve the working conditions. If the employer didn't like you you were sacked that day. If you were useless at your job, you were sacked that day, if you complained about having to actually work for a living, you were sacked that day.

Do you not think that by employers paying the best wages and shorter working week opened the door for overseas companies ? The companies that paid their workers less, worked them for longer hours were able to undercut the products being manufactured in the UK.... that's an economical fact, and not one that Maggie introduced.

I guess one step forward to decrease the unemployment figures would be to employ someone with a red flag to walk in front of cars ? They could be paid top wages, with a "per mile" bonus, not have to walk in the rain, ice or snow, nor if it gets too hot. They could have 6 weeks paid holiday, infact, they should also have an assistant employed to help them incase the role gets too stressful.

no poland is not east its west, all countrys that have a shore line in the atlantic or its sub seas are eastern europe and the baltic sea is class has a sub sea of the atlantic.
dont mix it up with eastern block countrys that is different.
when we had a industral industry we was one off the top exporters. it was one off the things that was paying off our war dept and keeping our heads above water, but maggie did not like was all this money was going towards helping every one, look what happen the moment it was denationalised. our imports became greater than our imports driving this country into bigger dept, she was the one that bankrupt this country. she opened the doors to allow the imports to come into the country because maggie had destroyed ours own produce to supply this country has well has to export a greater amount. and when that happens a market will come and fill it in, in this case it was the far east.
your wrong about technology the left embaces better than the right all ways have done, the difference the left will use it to benefit the ordinary people where you can earn the same amount or more money working for less hours and sharing out the work to all so every one gets a bit of the apple. the right will only interduce new technology when it has bleed the old one dry, before releasing new. and they dont want to share they would prefer to get unemployment high so if you want to keep your job you will work longer hours for no extra or less pay.
just look at was going on before 1980 we was on a 40 hour week some was on 37.5 hour week and working towards the 35 hour week whitch would of lead to the 30 hour week, for the same pay. look what you got now people working 60 hours a week with no over time pay. and all this was started by maggie.
back then the bosses earn a lot less than they do now, insted of sharing they make you work longer hours for less pay and pocket the rest for them self.

The Word Of Southy Is Law - It is infallible, He cannot be wrong, ever. End of story

duncan-smith doesn't fill me with confidence that he knows what he's doing (unlike his old man who was a renowned spitfire pilot).There are a lot of Poles, Czechs ,lithunanians etc who stay here all the time doing warehouse type jobs (especially Lithuanians as the EU has all but bankrupted their small country). In my opinion any benefits cuts should start in scotland where thay get free eye tests, prescriptions and university and their parliament all paid for by the English.Then stop paying benefits to overseas children in for instance poland and all overseas foreign aid, then star looking at England

Victorian Principles wrote:
The Word Of Southy Is Law - It is infallible, He cannot be wrong, ever. End of story

no vic just older and wiser, its not of a case of southy law at all, its a case of living long enough to see the changes in world, and watching it get worse for the majority of people.
tell what do you think will happen in the end, when the population is growing, and there is less and less jobs to be had.

southy wrote:
no poland is not east its west, all countrys that have a shore line in the atlantic or its sub seas are eastern europe and the baltic sea is class has a sub sea of the atlantic. dont mix it up with eastern block countrys that is different. when we had a industral industry we was one off the top exporters. it was one off the things that was paying off our war dept and keeping our heads above water, but maggie did not like was all this money was going towards helping every one, look what happen the moment it was denationalised. our imports became greater than our imports driving this country into bigger dept, she was the one that bankrupt this country. she opened the doors to allow the imports to come into the country because maggie had destroyed ours own produce to supply this country has well has to export a greater amount. and when that happens a market will come and fill it in, in this case it was the far east. your wrong about technology the left embaces better than the right all ways have done, the difference the left will use it to benefit the ordinary people where you can earn the same amount or more money working for less hours and sharing out the work to all so every one gets a bit of the apple. the right will only interduce new technology when it has bleed the old one dry, before releasing new. and they dont want to share they would prefer to get unemployment high so if you want to keep your job you will work longer hours for no extra or less pay. just look at was going on before 1980 we was on a 40 hour week some was on 37.5 hour week and working towards the 35 hour week whitch would of lead to the 30 hour week, for the same pay. look what you got now people working 60 hours a week with no over time pay. and all this was started by maggie. back then the bosses earn a lot less than they do now, insted of sharing they make you work longer hours for less pay and pocket the rest for them self.

this is a work of fiction by someone who has not seriously studied modern economic history.....
"Maggie" its forgotten was actually re-elected , even after 1-in10 and the abolision of mobile thugs aka "the minors".
they should teach micro and macro economics at school as a core subject... that would mean in 15 years , comments on this board actually tally with reality.

Where do you get your definition of East & West Europe Southy? How would you define Hungary or Austria?

Spot O'Bother wrote:
Where do you get your definition of East & West Europe Southy? How would you define Hungary or Austria?

you draw a line though europe, and its the half way mark between the coast on the west side, and its eastern border line. and because the baltic sea is a sub sea of the atlantic, you take it from the coast line of the baltic sea, and follow the latitude line across
you dont just draw a straight line down though what you think is the middle and call one side east and one side west.
this is where a load of people get mix up between the two. they think of the old warsaw pack countrys where a bulk of it was in the east in europe, and got known has the east, remember how greece was known has west but the country north of them was known has east. and this where people get the two mix up.

Southy, none of your posts will ever make any sense or be taken seriously until you learn the difference between "as" and "has" amongst many other things.
Come on man, for the love of God, sort it out!

Spot O'Bother wrote:
Where do you get your definition of East & West Europe Southy? How would you define Hungary or Austria?

you know the way S'OB..... ignore the eastern bloc, but count them in so that Poland are in the west and then ignore them again because they are really in the east if you don't count the eastern bloc.........

southy wrote:

Victorian Principles wrote:
The Word Of Southy Is Law - It is infallible, He cannot be wrong, ever. End of story

no vic just older and wiser, its not of a case of southy law at all, its a case of living long enough to see the changes in world, and watching it get worse for the majority of people.
tell what do you think will happen in the end, when the population is growing, and there is less and less jobs to be had.

You heard it here first, folks. Southy freely admits he thinks he knows better than everyone else. Despite his inability to express himself even remotely clearly most of the time.

All the polish people i have had the pleasure of meeting work hard.My neighboour works in the nhs,as does a friend who also works part time as doorman,my other neighbour works with computers and are all lovely people who pay alot of tax.I do also know alot of people on benefits who could work who are british.Have left school,got pregnant and survived on benefits.When one family in particular who never worked since they moved in had 2 new cars I began to doubt the benefit system.Something is going wrong.I cant even afford driving lessons!
lol sec word:poor-yeah!

Once the benefit system is sorted, maybe it will make people actually get up and think if there are no jobs in this country suitable for them, maybe they should go to europe and find work, like the polish. They don't sit on benefit. Maybe if you can't afford kids you should control yourself more, rant over!