Dog facing death over attack on girl in pub

Aaron Clifford with his dog Reggie. The animal faces being put to sleep after biting a girl at the Haywain pub

Aaron Clifford with his dog Reggie. The animal faces being put to sleep after biting a girl at the Haywain pub

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A DOG is facing the death sentence after savaging a three-year-old girl in a pub.

The Rhodesian Ridgeback cross sank its teeth into the little girl’s shoulder and lifted her off her feet in front of horrified families.

It then pinned her to the ground for several seconds before being pulled away by its owner.

The victim was taken to Southampton General Hospital and given a general anaesthetic before being treated for puncture wounds to her arm and shoulder.

Rachel Lile, prosecuting, told New Forest magistrates that the girl was likely to be scarred for life following the attack, which occurred at the Haywain pub in Cadnam on August 16.

The animal’s owner, Aaron Clifford, 21, of Calmore Drive, Totton, admitted allowing a dog to be dangerously out of control in a public place.

He was warned that he could be jailed and the dog destroyed when he is sentenced on November 11.

The court heard that the animal had growled at another child on the same day as the incident involving the girl and snapped at a four-year-old boy last year.

But Clifford last night begged magistrates to spare Reggie’s life, saying that he was normally a docile dog and had never bitten anyone before.

Since the incident the dog now wears a muzzle and has been neutered.

“My girlfriend and I had been for a walk and stopped off at the pub on the way home,” said Clifford.

“Reggie was tied to a picnic bench away from everyone else but suddenly jumped up when a child ran past. We called the ambulance ourselves and put the dog in the car.”

Clifford said that the two-year-old animal might have been affected by the exceptionally hot weather.

He added that the child could have accidentally stepped on the dog’s tail, which had been caught in a door, causing a painful injury.

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“I’m very upset about the girl but this was a one-off. Reggie didn’t eat for two weeks – he knew he’d done wrong.

“I never meant it to happen and didn’t see it coming. I only pleaded guilty because he did actually bite someone.”

Urging the magistrates not to issue a destruction order, he said: “He means the world to me and I’d be distraught if he had to be put down. He’s my little boy – I don’t care how big he is.

“All my mates have children and he’s fine with them. I just hope the court decides to give him another chance.”

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10:07am Sun 24 Oct 10

Hantslad says...

The Courts should start putting children down and not the dogs!

No doubt the dog was simply defending itself, but that is just my opinion.

Best of luck Reggie!
The Courts should start putting children down and not the dogs! No doubt the dog was simply defending itself, but that is just my opinion. Best of luck Reggie! Hantslad
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10:19am Sun 24 Oct 10

Anothernut says...

Hantslad wrote:
The Courts should start putting children down and not the dogs!

No doubt the dog was simply defending itself, but that is just my opinion.

Best of luck Reggie!
Are you on crack........Tw@t
[quote][p][bold]Hantslad[/bold] wrote: The Courts should start putting children down and not the dogs! No doubt the dog was simply defending itself, but that is just my opinion. Best of luck Reggie![/p][/quote]Are you on crack........Tw@t Anothernut
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10:19am Sun 24 Oct 10

Ferngully says...

Hantslad wrote:
The Courts should start putting children down and not the dogs! No doubt the dog was simply defending itself, but that is just my opinion. Best of luck Reggie!
What a crass comment.
The Rhodesian Ridgeback cross sank its teeth into the little girl’s shoulder and lifted her off her feet in front of horrified families.
These dogs are renowned for being highly strung and should be muzzled in public, they are merely status symbols to young people who like to look "hard".
[quote][p][bold]Hantslad[/bold] wrote: The Courts should start putting children down and not the dogs! No doubt the dog was simply defending itself, but that is just my opinion. Best of luck Reggie![/p][/quote]What a crass comment. The Rhodesian Ridgeback cross sank its teeth into the little girl’s shoulder and lifted her off her feet in front of horrified families. These dogs are renowned for being highly strung and should be muzzled in public, they are merely status symbols to young people who like to look "hard". Ferngully
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10:27am Sun 24 Oct 10

Vix1 says...

At least the owner has taken steps to control the dog and has taken full responsibility. If the dog was tied up away from people then the child must have approached it. I don't think the dog should be destroyed. Best of luck Aaron.
At least the owner has taken steps to control the dog and has taken full responsibility. If the dog was tied up away from people then the child must have approached it. I don't think the dog should be destroyed. Best of luck Aaron. Vix1
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10:33am Sun 24 Oct 10

10 Minute Man says...

Growled and snapped at other kids...so this wasn't an out-of-the-blue incident.

Never bitten anyone before - so we have to wait until he does it again before we start protecting small children ? Or perhaps a few of them, just in case they stepped on his tail.

Any dog which did this to my kids would be dispatched - quickly and painlessly of course to avoid distress to the animal.
Growled and snapped at other kids...so this wasn't an out-of-the-blue incident. Never bitten anyone before - so we have to wait until he does it again before we start protecting small children ? Or perhaps a few of them, just in case they stepped on his tail. Any dog which did this to my kids would be dispatched - quickly and painlessly of course to avoid distress to the animal. 10 Minute Man
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11:22am Sun 24 Oct 10

bigmonkeyman says...

One thing i do notice as a dog owner these days, is that kids do just come running up to my dog.I was always told as a child not to approach strange dogs as i could get bitten.It does seem that this dog should of been muzzled from the outset.Must of been a scary thing for the parents.At the same time how many of us have seen kids running round in public places completely out of control and sight of the parents?
One thing i do notice as a dog owner these days, is that kids do just come running up to my dog.I was always told as a child not to approach strange dogs as i could get bitten.It does seem that this dog should of been muzzled from the outset.Must of been a scary thing for the parents.At the same time how many of us have seen kids running round in public places completely out of control and sight of the parents? bigmonkeyman
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11:30am Sun 24 Oct 10

shagbands says...

so the kid was just sat there and the dog just lunged at her, totally unprovoked? ****.

people should keep their kids under control if you ask me. i've had kids as young as three upset my labrador. they pull his tail and his ears and what to do the parents do? sit there and do nothing and it's me who has to push the kid away from my dog.
so the kid was just sat there and the dog just lunged at her, totally unprovoked? ****. people should keep their kids under control if you ask me. i've had kids as young as three upset my labrador. they pull his tail and his ears and what to do the parents do? sit there and do nothing and it's me who has to push the kid away from my dog. shagbands
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11:49am Sun 24 Oct 10

J.K. says...

The parents of the child should be neutered
The parents of the child should be neutered J.K.
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12:16pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Propercynic says...

It's not right that the dog should be put to sleep and the owner jailed for this. As others have said, it's likely the child upset the dog in some way.
Like others here, I have had my dogs approached by children who won't take 'no' for an answer and persist in approaching and trying to pet the dogs even when told not to. The parents do nothing, yet would be the first to bleat if anything happened to the kid.
Why is it ALWAYS assumed the dog, and not the child, is in the wrong?
Good luck to Aaron and Reggie.
It's not right that the dog should be put to sleep and the owner jailed for this. As others have said, it's likely the child upset the dog in some way. Like others here, I have had my dogs approached by children who won't take 'no' for an answer and persist in approaching and trying to pet the dogs even when told not to. The parents do nothing, yet would be the first to bleat if anything happened to the kid. Why is it ALWAYS assumed the dog, and not the child, is in the wrong? Good luck to Aaron and Reggie. Propercynic
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12:28pm Sun 24 Oct 10

saints til i die says...

If the dog bit the child's face instead of shoulder this would be completely different.

It's a hard one to blame. The owner because it's his dog, or the parents for not keeping an eye on their kid. I gotta go for the stupid parents if the dog was tied up away from everyone!
If the dog bit the child's face instead of shoulder this would be completely different. It's a hard one to blame. The owner because it's his dog, or the parents for not keeping an eye on their kid. I gotta go for the stupid parents if the dog was tied up away from everyone! saints til i die
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12:53pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Get it right says...

bigmonkeyman wrote:
One thing i do notice as a dog owner these days, is that kids do just come running up to my dog.I was always told as a child not to approach strange dogs as i could get bitten.It does seem that this dog should of been muzzled from the outset.Must of been a scary thing for the parents.At the same time how many of us have seen kids running round in public places completely out of control and sight of the parents?
"..should HAVE been...", "..must HAVE been..."
It's English, not rocket science.
[quote][p][bold]bigmonkeyman[/bold] wrote: One thing i do notice as a dog owner these days, is that kids do just come running up to my dog.I was always told as a child not to approach strange dogs as i could get bitten.It does seem that this dog should of been muzzled from the outset.Must of been a scary thing for the parents.At the same time how many of us have seen kids running round in public places completely out of control and sight of the parents?[/p][/quote]"..should HAVE been...", "..must HAVE been..." It's English, not rocket science. Get it right
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12:57pm Sun 24 Oct 10

goard says...

Have you ever seen a kid with a young rabbit or hamster - I cringe at the constant stroking, the tightly gripped little animal - I just want to scream -DON'T GIVE YOUR KIDS AN ANIMAL, RODENT OF SPIDER - your family should be kept well awy from animals. THEY ARE NOT PLAYTHINGS. Imagine your child be given to an paedaphile for his plaything - you parents, how would you feel about that?

goard
Have you ever seen a kid with a young rabbit or hamster - I cringe at the constant stroking, the tightly gripped little animal - I just want to scream -DON'T GIVE YOUR KIDS AN ANIMAL, RODENT OF SPIDER - your family should be kept well awy from animals. THEY ARE NOT PLAYTHINGS. Imagine your child be given to an paedaphile for his plaything - you parents, how would you feel about that? goard goard
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1:00pm Sun 24 Oct 10

MGRA says...

destroy the dog, jail the owner for about 5 years and justice will be done.
what is about stupid dog owners that they do not understand the word "dangerous" !?!? these morons would not doubt go swimming in the Nile ignoring the "dangerous crocodiles" signs.
dogs have become extension to Chav-egos and chavs being ignorant by definition are not capable of owning dogs responisbly.
destroy the dog, jail the owner for about 5 years and justice will be done. what is about stupid dog owners that they do not understand the word "dangerous" !?!? these morons would not doubt go swimming in the Nile ignoring the "dangerous crocodiles" signs. dogs have become extension to Chav-egos and chavs being ignorant by definition are not capable of owning dogs responisbly. MGRA
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1:23pm Sun 24 Oct 10

EP says...

OMG I cant beleive the ignorance of some people on here, since when has a mangey dogs life been more inportant than a humans? and a child at that?!?
All dogs that attack should be destoyed no question, do we have to wait until a child is killed or maimed for life before a decision is made?
The worlds gone mad........get well soon wishes the the little girl in question
OMG I cant beleive the ignorance of some people on here, since when has a mangey dogs life been more inportant than a humans? and a child at that?!? All dogs that attack should be destoyed no question, do we have to wait until a child is killed or maimed for life before a decision is made? The worlds gone mad........get well soon wishes the the little girl in question EP
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1:41pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Spot O'Bother says...

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Rhodesian_R
idgeback

This owner seems to be responsible. Please get some training mate!
http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Rhodesian_R idgeback This owner seems to be responsible. Please get some training mate! Spot O'Bother
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2:05pm Sun 24 Oct 10

delta says...

Aaron has done the right thing my muzzling & having him neutered & I don't think the dog should be destroyed. He's learnt his lesson the hard way & Aaron has to live with the fact his dog attacked. Just think, how many humans abuse others, are given a second chance & go on to do the same thing over & over again with no amount of punishment deterring them?? Good luck Aaron & Reggie
Aaron has done the right thing my muzzling & having him neutered & I don't think the dog should be destroyed. He's learnt his lesson the hard way & Aaron has to live with the fact his dog attacked. Just think, how many humans abuse others, are given a second chance & go on to do the same thing over & over again with no amount of punishment deterring them?? Good luck Aaron & Reggie delta
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2:18pm Sun 24 Oct 10

ASF says...

I agree with 'delta'. It's awful that the the little girl got hurt and I'm sure that Aaron feels very guilty about it. However, I have owned ridgies in the past and they have a great temperament. They are loyal and very intelligent. http://www.rhodesian
ridgebacks.org/IsanR
Rtherightbreedv3.pdf

There is an awful lot of misunderstanding about this dog actions. Does anyone know what the child did to get bitten? I don't think that it's just the dog at fault.
I hope that common sense prevails. Good luck to Aaron & Reggie
I agree with 'delta'. It's awful that the the little girl got hurt and I'm sure that Aaron feels very guilty about it. However, I have owned ridgies in the past and they have a great temperament. They are loyal and very intelligent. http://www.rhodesian ridgebacks.org/IsanR Rtherightbreedv3.pdf There is an awful lot of misunderstanding about this dog actions. Does anyone know what the child did to get bitten? I don't think that it's just the dog at fault. I hope that common sense prevails. Good luck to Aaron & Reggie ASF
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2:25pm Sun 24 Oct 10

R1 says...

It's quite simply. Dog bites child, dog dies, dead head owner goes to jail. I own a large dog, if it was ever to attact a child it would never see the sun set. There are far to many dead heads with status dogs which they have no understanding off or ability to control
It's quite simply. Dog bites child, dog dies, dead head owner goes to jail. I own a large dog, if it was ever to attact a child it would never see the sun set. There are far to many dead heads with status dogs which they have no understanding off or ability to control R1
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2:30pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Hantslad says...

Child gets bitten by dog = Dogs fault
Child gets hit by car = Drivers fault
Child drowns in swimming pool = Lifeguards fault

When will parents wake up to the responsibility of parenthood? Anyone who knows this pub will know that to allow a 3 year old to run around outside is totally irresponsible. It is situated on a junction with little pavement.

I am in no way a dog lover, never owned one and never will. But we have become a society of blaming everyone but ourselves.

Put yourself in the dogs shoes for a second, imagine someone running at you, a humans natural defence is to defend themselves or at least go into defensive mode. A dog can't talk (obviously) so it growls as a warning, if you don't listen then you suffer the consequences. They are very similar to humans.

The dog was tied to a bench/table, the owner done no wrong on this occasion UNLESS ALL dogs should be muzzled?

Maybe the children should be kept on leashes instead.

Only last week whilst shopping some brat ran into my trolley, the mother had the cheek to tell me to look where I was going! The world doesn't revolve around kids!
Child gets bitten by dog = Dogs fault Child gets hit by car = Drivers fault Child drowns in swimming pool = Lifeguards fault When will parents wake up to the responsibility of parenthood? Anyone who knows this pub will know that to allow a 3 year old to run around outside is totally irresponsible. It is situated on a junction with little pavement. I am in no way a dog lover, never owned one and never will. But we have become a society of blaming everyone but ourselves. Put yourself in the dogs shoes for a second, imagine someone running at you, a humans natural defence is to defend themselves or at least go into defensive mode. A dog can't talk (obviously) so it growls as a warning, if you don't listen then you suffer the consequences. They are very similar to humans. The dog was tied to a bench/table, the owner done no wrong on this occasion UNLESS ALL dogs should be muzzled? Maybe the children should be kept on leashes instead. Only last week whilst shopping some brat ran into my trolley, the mother had the cheek to tell me to look where I was going! The world doesn't revolve around kids! Hantslad
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2:38pm Sun 24 Oct 10

delta says...

As a parent of a 4,1/2yr old girl & the owner of 2 dogs one being a rottie/staffie cross I have to be responsible on all counts. Children no matter how well they've been brought up will always run up to dogs...I get it every day & parents just don't seem to take any notice of them. Thankfully mine are very good & I always make sure they're on a lead if children are around-but you should never trust any dog big or small. I have told my daughter if she wishes to stroke a dog she must always ask the owner first. I think in this day & age EVERYONE should take responsibility!
As a parent of a 4,1/2yr old girl & the owner of 2 dogs one being a rottie/staffie cross I have to be responsible on all counts. Children no matter how well they've been brought up will always run up to dogs...I get it every day & parents just don't seem to take any notice of them. Thankfully mine are very good & I always make sure they're on a lead if children are around-but you should never trust any dog big or small. I have told my daughter if she wishes to stroke a dog she must always ask the owner first. I think in this day & age EVERYONE should take responsibility! delta
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2:38pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Victorian Principles says...

R1 wrote:
It's quite simply. Dog bites child, dog dies, dead head owner goes to jail. I own a large dog, if it was ever to attact a child it would never see the sun set. There are far to many dead heads with status dogs which they have no understanding off or ability to control
Presumably, if your dog ever does bite someone, you'll also follow through with your own projections, and pronounce yourself a "dead head owner" before sending yourself to prison, then.
[quote][p][bold]R1[/bold] wrote: It's quite simply. Dog bites child, dog dies, dead head owner goes to jail. I own a large dog, if it was ever to attact a child it would never see the sun set. There are far to many dead heads with status dogs which they have no understanding off or ability to control[/p][/quote]Presumably, if your dog ever does bite someone, you'll also follow through with your own projections, and pronounce yourself a "dead head owner" before sending yourself to prison, then. Victorian Principles
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2:39pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Victorian Principles says...

delta wrote:
As a parent of a 4,1/2yr old girl & the owner of 2 dogs one being a rottie/staffie cross I have to be responsible on all counts. Children no matter how well they've been brought up will always run up to dogs...I get it every day & parents just don't seem to take any notice of them. Thankfully mine are very good & I always make sure they're on a lead if children are around-but you should never trust any dog big or small. I have told my daughter if she wishes to stroke a dog she must always ask the owner first. I think in this day & age EVERYONE should take responsibility!
You keep your children on a lead??
[quote][p][bold]delta[/bold] wrote: As a parent of a 4,1/2yr old girl & the owner of 2 dogs one being a rottie/staffie cross I have to be responsible on all counts. Children no matter how well they've been brought up will always run up to dogs...I get it every day & parents just don't seem to take any notice of them. Thankfully mine are very good & I always make sure they're on a lead if children are around-but you should never trust any dog big or small. I have told my daughter if she wishes to stroke a dog she must always ask the owner first. I think in this day & age EVERYONE should take responsibility![/p][/quote]You keep your children on a lead?? Victorian Principles
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2:53pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Hantslad says...

R1 wrote:
It's quite simply. Dog bites child, dog dies, dead head owner goes to jail. I own a large dog, if it was ever to attact a child it would never see the sun set. There are far to many dead heads with status dogs which they have no understanding off or ability to control
Is this Southy? OR just someone else that can't get 'off' and 'of' right?

The mind boggles.............
........
[quote][p][bold]R1[/bold] wrote: It's quite simply. Dog bites child, dog dies, dead head owner goes to jail. I own a large dog, if it was ever to attact a child it would never see the sun set. There are far to many dead heads with status dogs which they have no understanding off or ability to control[/p][/quote]Is this Southy? OR just someone else that can't get 'off' and 'of' right? The mind boggles............. ........ Hantslad
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3:26pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Brite Spark says...

Usually when I hear that a child has been attacked by a dog I think that the dog should be destroyed. I've got some sympathy for this guy though, he had the dog on a lead away from children, if the little girl spooked the dog it may have reacted in some kind of self defence. It's not like one those horrible bull terriers is it, and he doesn't seem to be the Chavvy type who own some horrid dogs as some sort of street status symbol. The dog has a nice name 'Reggie', not Tyson or Butch or Bruno, some owners give their dogs tough sounding names to make them sound 'hard', this owner hasn't done that which again suggests that he is a caring owner.
Usually when I hear that a child has been attacked by a dog I think that the dog should be destroyed. I've got some sympathy for this guy though, he had the dog on a lead away from children, if the little girl spooked the dog it may have reacted in some kind of self defence. It's not like one those horrible bull terriers is it, and he doesn't seem to be the Chavvy type who own some horrid dogs as some sort of street status symbol. The dog has a nice name 'Reggie', not Tyson or Butch or Bruno, some owners give their dogs tough sounding names to make them sound 'hard', this owner hasn't done that which again suggests that he is a caring owner. Brite Spark
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3:46pm Sun 24 Oct 10

northamsoul says...

all the people saying it should be the kid put down, its the parents fault..etc etc..get a **** life..!!! how long before all dog's are banned from public places!!.

They bloody should be as it happens all time, if the dog had bit my daughter it wouldn't have made it to the **** car!!!
all the people saying it should be the kid put down, its the parents fault..etc etc..get a **** life..!!! how long before all dog's are banned from public places!!. They bloody should be as it happens all time, if the dog had bit my daughter it wouldn't have made it to the **** car!!! northamsoul
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3:52pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Hantslad says...

northamsoul wrote:
all the people saying it should be the kid put down, its the parents fault..etc etc..get a **** life..!!! how long before all dog's are banned from public places!!. They bloody should be as it happens all time, if the dog had bit my daughter it wouldn't have made it to the **** car!!!
I'm sure you're a great parent with so many ** in your post. This government should bring in a Licence to breed with a suitable training programme attached to it!

Maybe then society would become a better place, free of children who run riot and grow up to disrespect others.

I'm sick of parents who claim children are angels. Whilst 'most' children are genuinly nice, we seem to have an awful lot who are bought up in an environment of foul language and violence.
[quote][p][bold]northamsoul[/bold] wrote: all the people saying it should be the kid put down, its the parents fault..etc etc..get a **** life..!!! how long before all dog's are banned from public places!!. They bloody should be as it happens all time, if the dog had bit my daughter it wouldn't have made it to the **** car!!![/p][/quote]I'm sure you're a great parent with so many ** in your post. This government should bring in a Licence to breed with a suitable training programme attached to it! Maybe then society would become a better place, free of children who run riot and grow up to disrespect others. I'm sick of parents who claim children are angels. Whilst 'most' children are genuinly nice, we seem to have an awful lot who are bought up in an environment of foul language and violence. Hantslad
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4:02pm Sun 24 Oct 10

northamsoul says...

oh my god...some people have no idea, you have just judged me by my post, i have a daughter of 2 and a wife who is a ward sister, and i am a qualified electrician with my own business.

All the ** are because i am infuriated by idiots who think the dog has more rights than kids, as for people like yourself i have no time for because your obviously the type who look down the nose at people, hence the fact you think i am some sort of chav who lives in a council flat because i can't be **** to go to work...barking up the wrong tree, you have just bumped into somebody that is a realist..
oh my god...some people have no idea, you have just judged me by my post, i have a daughter of 2 and a wife who is a ward sister, and i am a qualified electrician with my own business. All the ** are because i am infuriated by idiots who think the dog has more rights than kids, as for people like yourself i have no time for because your obviously the type who look down the nose at people, hence the fact you think i am some sort of chav who lives in a council flat because i can't be **** to go to work...barking up the wrong tree, you have just bumped into somebody that is a realist.. northamsoul
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4:13pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Hantslad says...

northamsoul wrote:
oh my god...some people have no idea, you have just judged me by my post, i have a daughter of 2 and a wife who is a ward sister, and i am a qualified electrician with my own business. All the ** are because i am infuriated by idiots who think the dog has more rights than kids, as for people like yourself i have no time for because your obviously the type who look down the nose at people, hence the fact you think i am some sort of chav who lives in a council flat because i can't be **** to go to work...barking up the wrong tree, you have just bumped into somebody that is a realist..
Unfortunatley I can only judge you by your posts as I don't know you in person.

Much like animals can only judge people based on what they see running at them and react to the situation.

I don't look down my nose at people but I do get fed up with this blame culture. I also get really angry at parents who use fowl language when it is not called for.

You have a daughter of 2 years, good for you, look after her and teach her right from wrong so we can all enjoy life be it animal or human.
[quote][p][bold]northamsoul[/bold] wrote: oh my god...some people have no idea, you have just judged me by my post, i have a daughter of 2 and a wife who is a ward sister, and i am a qualified electrician with my own business. All the ** are because i am infuriated by idiots who think the dog has more rights than kids, as for people like yourself i have no time for because your obviously the type who look down the nose at people, hence the fact you think i am some sort of chav who lives in a council flat because i can't be **** to go to work...barking up the wrong tree, you have just bumped into somebody that is a realist..[/p][/quote]Unfortunatley I can only judge you by your posts as I don't know you in person. Much like animals can only judge people based on what they see running at them and react to the situation. I don't look down my nose at people but I do get fed up with this blame culture. I also get really angry at parents who use fowl language when it is not called for. You have a daughter of 2 years, good for you, look after her and teach her right from wrong so we can all enjoy life be it animal or human. Hantslad
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4:25pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Mario Licka says...

If a dog attacked my little girl i would be the one in court for killing the dog and its owner, this has got to stop, every chav wants a big aggressive dog to look hard with.
Ban ALL dogs from pub gardens for a start, any dog off a leash on public land should be removed from the owner and the owner fined.
Dogs can be kept on leads and exercised perfectly well, take responsability if you own a dog you own a potential killer.
If a dog attacked my little girl i would be the one in court for killing the dog and its owner, this has got to stop, every chav wants a big aggressive dog to look hard with. Ban ALL dogs from pub gardens for a start, any dog off a leash on public land should be removed from the owner and the owner fined. Dogs can be kept on leads and exercised perfectly well, take responsability if you own a dog you own a potential killer. Mario Licka
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4:31pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Hantslad says...

Mario Licka wrote:
If a dog attacked my little girl i would be the one in court for killing the dog and its owner, this has got to stop, every chav wants a big aggressive dog to look hard with. Ban ALL dogs from pub gardens for a start, any dog off a leash on public land should be removed from the owner and the owner fined. Dogs can be kept on leads and exercised perfectly well, take responsability if you own a dog you own a potential killer.
Read the article, the dog was tied up at the time. The child chose to go near it which also means the child would have been dangerously close to the road.

I don't know the owner, but it seems he has taken every measure possible to prevent this happening, can the same be said for the childs parents?

I will be the first to admit that when I see a dog I move away as I don't like them, but it's experience that has led me to behave this way. I was bitten as a child but I blamed myself not the dog. Mind, I did put my foot in it's face, so I guess I asked for it!
[quote][p][bold]Mario Licka[/bold] wrote: If a dog attacked my little girl i would be the one in court for killing the dog and its owner, this has got to stop, every chav wants a big aggressive dog to look hard with. Ban ALL dogs from pub gardens for a start, any dog off a leash on public land should be removed from the owner and the owner fined. Dogs can be kept on leads and exercised perfectly well, take responsability if you own a dog you own a potential killer.[/p][/quote]Read the article, the dog was tied up at the time. The child chose to go near it which also means the child would have been dangerously close to the road. I don't know the owner, but it seems he has taken every measure possible to prevent this happening, can the same be said for the childs parents? I will be the first to admit that when I see a dog I move away as I don't like them, but it's experience that has led me to behave this way. I was bitten as a child but I blamed myself not the dog. Mind, I did put my foot in it's face, so I guess I asked for it! Hantslad
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4:41pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Vconfused says...

As usual the Echo only presents one side of the story. Fortunately the legal system doesn't rely on the Daily Echo - the court will look at all the evidence.
Mario - if a dog attacked your little girl I would really hope your first actions would be to tend to her and call an ambulance - not kill the dog and its owner. However I do agree that big dogs should not be left unattended in public places.
As usual the Echo only presents one side of the story. Fortunately the legal system doesn't rely on the Daily Echo - the court will look at all the evidence. Mario - if a dog attacked your little girl I would really hope your first actions would be to tend to her and call an ambulance - not kill the dog and its owner. However I do agree that big dogs should not be left unattended in public places. Vconfused
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5:36pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Hantslad says...

Vconfused wrote:
As usual the Echo only presents one side of the story. Fortunately the legal system doesn't rely on the Daily Echo - the court will look at all the evidence. Mario - if a dog attacked your little girl I would really hope your first actions would be to tend to her and call an ambulance - not kill the dog and its owner. However I do agree that big dogs should not be left unattended in public places.
Unfortunately, we live in a society whereby these people think, how much money can I make from this.

Children should be kept on a leash (I believe they're called reins) whilst in an open area so as the parents can keep a close eye on them. They even do extendable ones now like they do for dogs.

Life is life, wether it be an animal or human. I guess it's far easier to blame an animal as they can't talk to a judge!

On this planet we are all equal, humans just 'believe' they're superior!
[quote][p][bold]Vconfused[/bold] wrote: As usual the Echo only presents one side of the story. Fortunately the legal system doesn't rely on the Daily Echo - the court will look at all the evidence. Mario - if a dog attacked your little girl I would really hope your first actions would be to tend to her and call an ambulance - not kill the dog and its owner. However I do agree that big dogs should not be left unattended in public places.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, we live in a society whereby these people think, how much money can I make from this. Children should be kept on a leash (I believe they're called reins) whilst in an open area so as the parents can keep a close eye on them. They even do extendable ones now like they do for dogs. Life is life, wether it be an animal or human. I guess it's far easier to blame an animal as they can't talk to a judge! On this planet we are all equal, humans just 'believe' they're superior! Hantslad
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7:23pm Sun 24 Oct 10

clausentum says...

It's not rocket science.

Dog owners are responsible for their dogs.

Parents are responsible for their small children.

How either dogs or small children behave in public is down to the respective dog owner or the parents of the small child. So, neither the dog nor the small child can in anyway be at fault. Blame rests squarely with the adults, not the dog nor the small child.

In the article's reporting of events the balance of responsibility seems to weigh towards the dog owner and not the parents of the small child.

If the Echo's facts are accurate then it is the dog owner who must shoulder the blame for the small child getting hurt and if the eventual outcome is the sad demise of the dog, then it is the dog owner who will also responsible for that happening.
It's not rocket science. Dog owners are responsible for their dogs. Parents are responsible for their small children. How either dogs or small children behave in public is down to the respective dog owner or the parents of the small child. So, neither the dog nor the small child can in anyway be at fault. Blame rests squarely with the adults, not the dog nor the small child. In the article's reporting of events the balance of responsibility seems to weigh towards the dog owner and not the parents of the small child. If the Echo's facts are accurate then it is the dog owner who must shoulder the blame for the small child getting hurt and if the eventual outcome is the sad demise of the dog, then it is the dog owner who will also responsible for that happening. clausentum
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7:32pm Sun 24 Oct 10

cadey says...

Firstly i would like to say that more often than not reporters bend the truth as that is what sells papers.
Reggie's breed is not on the dangerous dogs register and if anyone cares to spend some time looking into this breed of dog will find they make fantastic family pets. From ALL the information i have read on this case, supported by comments made in court, Reggie was with his owners on a lead which was tied to the picnic table where the owners were sitting whilst eating their dinner. Reggie was also eating his dinner with his back against the family involved. The owner of Reggie advised a family who's little girls was running around unsupervised( age 3) to make sure she does not try to pet the dog whilst he is eating, from the information i have read this was ignored by the child's family allowing her to run free, as i say without supervision. The information i have read is that the child ran up to Reggie from behind him making lots of noise (as any 3 year old does) Reggie would not have known this was a child, as far as Reggie was concerned he was protecting his food as any dog would. He turned his head biting the child (ONE BITE NOT SAVAGED) as reported, the child's father pulled the child away (understandably) which resulted in the wound's being much worse. I would also like to add that the case was heard in court on 15th October NOT Friday 22nd October as reported by "Chris Yandall" (please see my first statement about reporters not always publishing the truth.
To the knowledge i have by looking into this case the owner of Reggie did everything he could to prevent this terrible accident from happening, why do some parents think they have to hand over responsibility of their children to members of the public when it comes to their welbeing, no doubt this accident would not of happened if they had taken full responsibility of the little girl, its not as though Reggie ran chase after her as he was tied up by his lead to the table with his owner, on what i have read to be "no more than a metre"
This of course has been a terrible thing for the little girl which as i have already mentioned would not of happened if the appropriate parenting was at hand. Of course i hope any emotional and physical scars deminish for the little girl and hope she is kept safe in the future and HER parents DO NOT allow history to repeat itself, i would also like to add that no doubt Reggie's owner also has emotional scars from what has happened, i also read that the owner handed his mobile phone to the parents to call an ambulance, stayed with the family until the emergency service left. The owner called the child's family several times to see how the child was doing, does this sound like a young man without feeling "NO IT DOESNT".
I would like to conclude that Reggies was doing no more than eating his dinner, protecting his food, as any dog would do, WHY SHOULD REGGIE BE PUT TO DEATH???????????????
????
Firstly i would like to say that more often than not reporters bend the truth as that is what sells papers. Reggie's breed is not on the dangerous dogs register and if anyone cares to spend some time looking into this breed of dog will find they make fantastic family pets. From ALL the information i have read on this case, supported by comments made in court, Reggie was with his owners on a lead which was tied to the picnic table where the owners were sitting whilst eating their dinner. Reggie was also eating his dinner with his back against the family involved. The owner of Reggie advised a family who's little girls was running around unsupervised( age 3) to make sure she does not try to pet the dog whilst he is eating, from the information i have read this was ignored by the child's family allowing her to run free, as i say without supervision. The information i have read is that the child ran up to Reggie from behind him making lots of noise (as any 3 year old does) Reggie would not have known this was a child, as far as Reggie was concerned he was protecting his food as any dog would. He turned his head biting the child (ONE BITE NOT SAVAGED) as reported, the child's father pulled the child away (understandably) which resulted in the wound's being much worse. I would also like to add that the case was heard in court on 15th October NOT Friday 22nd October as reported by "Chris Yandall" (please see my first statement about reporters not always publishing the truth. To the knowledge i have by looking into this case the owner of Reggie did everything he could to prevent this terrible accident from happening, why do some parents think they have to hand over responsibility of their children to members of the public when it comes to their welbeing, no doubt this accident would not of happened if they had taken full responsibility of the little girl, its not as though Reggie ran chase after her as he was tied up by his lead to the table with his owner, on what i have read to be "no more than a metre" This of course has been a terrible thing for the little girl which as i have already mentioned would not of happened if the appropriate parenting was at hand. Of course i hope any emotional and physical scars deminish for the little girl and hope she is kept safe in the future and HER parents DO NOT allow history to repeat itself, i would also like to add that no doubt Reggie's owner also has emotional scars from what has happened, i also read that the owner handed his mobile phone to the parents to call an ambulance, stayed with the family until the emergency service left. The owner called the child's family several times to see how the child was doing, does this sound like a young man without feeling "NO IT DOESNT". I would like to conclude that Reggies was doing no more than eating his dinner, protecting his food, as any dog would do, WHY SHOULD REGGIE BE PUT TO DEATH??????????????? ???? cadey
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7:36pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Hantslad says...

clausentum wrote:
It's not rocket science. Dog owners are responsible for their dogs. Parents are responsible for their small children. How either dogs or small children behave in public is down to the respective dog owner or the parents of the small child. So, neither the dog nor the small child can in anyway be at fault. Blame rests squarely with the adults, not the dog nor the small child. In the article's reporting of events the balance of responsibility seems to weigh towards the dog owner and not the parents of the small child. If the Echo's facts are accurate then it is the dog owner who must shoulder the blame for the small child getting hurt and if the eventual outcome is the sad demise of the dog, then it is the dog owner who will also responsible for that happening.
I encourage you to check out the Public House this took place at via Google Earth. Then tell me a child should be running around free.

I fully accept it's easy to blame an animal as they are unable to defend themselves.

On this occasion the child should NOT have been running around, if the dog hadn't bitten the child a car would have hit it.

Always easy to blame the quiet ones, rather than the stupid uneducated child!
[quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: It's not rocket science. Dog owners are responsible for their dogs. Parents are responsible for their small children. How either dogs or small children behave in public is down to the respective dog owner or the parents of the small child. So, neither the dog nor the small child can in anyway be at fault. Blame rests squarely with the adults, not the dog nor the small child. In the article's reporting of events the balance of responsibility seems to weigh towards the dog owner and not the parents of the small child. If the Echo's facts are accurate then it is the dog owner who must shoulder the blame for the small child getting hurt and if the eventual outcome is the sad demise of the dog, then it is the dog owner who will also responsible for that happening.[/p][/quote]I encourage you to check out the Public House this took place at via Google Earth. Then tell me a child should be running around free. I fully accept it's easy to blame an animal as they are unable to defend themselves. On this occasion the child should NOT have been running around, if the dog hadn't bitten the child a car would have hit it. Always easy to blame the quiet ones, rather than the stupid uneducated child! Hantslad
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7:40pm Sun 24 Oct 10

clausentum says...

Hantslad wrote:
clausentum wrote:
It's not rocket science. Dog owners are responsible for their dogs. Parents are responsible for their small children. How either dogs or small children behave in public is down to the respective dog owner or the parents of the small child. So, neither the dog nor the small child can in anyway be at fault. Blame rests squarely with the adults, not the dog nor the small child. In the article's reporting of events the balance of responsibility seems to weigh towards the dog owner and not the parents of the small child. If the Echo's facts are accurate then it is the dog owner who must shoulder the blame for the small child getting hurt and if the eventual outcome is the sad demise of the dog, then it is the dog owner who will also responsible for that happening.
I encourage you to check out the Public House this took place at via Google Earth. Then tell me a child should be running around free.

I fully accept it's easy to blame an animal as they are unable to defend themselves.

On this occasion the child should NOT have been running around, if the dog hadn't bitten the child a car would have hit it.

Always easy to blame the quiet ones, rather than the stupid uneducated child!
Nice. A balanced thoughtful comment free from bias. Not.
[quote][p][bold]Hantslad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: It's not rocket science. Dog owners are responsible for their dogs. Parents are responsible for their small children. How either dogs or small children behave in public is down to the respective dog owner or the parents of the small child. So, neither the dog nor the small child can in anyway be at fault. Blame rests squarely with the adults, not the dog nor the small child. In the article's reporting of events the balance of responsibility seems to weigh towards the dog owner and not the parents of the small child. If the Echo's facts are accurate then it is the dog owner who must shoulder the blame for the small child getting hurt and if the eventual outcome is the sad demise of the dog, then it is the dog owner who will also responsible for that happening.[/p][/quote]I encourage you to check out the Public House this took place at via Google Earth. Then tell me a child should be running around free. I fully accept it's easy to blame an animal as they are unable to defend themselves. On this occasion the child should NOT have been running around, if the dog hadn't bitten the child a car would have hit it. Always easy to blame the quiet ones, rather than the stupid uneducated child![/p][/quote]Nice. A balanced thoughtful comment free from bias. Not. clausentum
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7:43pm Sun 24 Oct 10

clausentum says...

cadey wrote:
Firstly i would like to say that more often than not reporters bend the truth as that is what sells papers.
Reggie's breed is not on the dangerous dogs register and if anyone cares to spend some time looking into this breed of dog will find they make fantastic family pets. From ALL the information i have read on this case, supported by comments made in court, Reggie was with his owners on a lead which was tied to the picnic table where the owners were sitting whilst eating their dinner. Reggie was also eating his dinner with his back against the family involved. The owner of Reggie advised a family who's little girls was running around unsupervised( age 3) to make sure she does not try to pet the dog whilst he is eating, from the information i have read this was ignored by the child's family allowing her to run free, as i say without supervision. The information i have read is that the child ran up to Reggie from behind him making lots of noise (as any 3 year old does) Reggie would not have known this was a child, as far as Reggie was concerned he was protecting his food as any dog would. He turned his head biting the child (ONE BITE NOT SAVAGED) as reported, the child's father pulled the child away (understandably) which resulted in the wound's being much worse. I would also like to add that the case was heard in court on 15th October NOT Friday 22nd October as reported by "Chris Yandall" (please see my first statement about reporters not always publishing the truth.
To the knowledge i have by looking into this case the owner of Reggie did everything he could to prevent this terrible accident from happening, why do some parents think they have to hand over responsibility of their children to members of the public when it comes to their welbeing, no doubt this accident would not of happened if they had taken full responsibility of the little girl, its not as though Reggie ran chase after her as he was tied up by his lead to the table with his owner, on what i have read to be "no more than a metre"
This of course has been a terrible thing for the little girl which as i have already mentioned would not of happened if the appropriate parenting was at hand. Of course i hope any emotional and physical scars deminish for the little girl and hope she is kept safe in the future and HER parents DO NOT allow history to repeat itself, i would also like to add that no doubt Reggie's owner also has emotional scars from what has happened, i also read that the owner handed his mobile phone to the parents to call an ambulance, stayed with the family until the emergency service left. The owner called the child's family several times to see how the child was doing, does this sound like a young man without feeling "NO IT DOESNT".
I would like to conclude that Reggies was doing no more than eating his dinner, protecting his food, as any dog would do, WHY SHOULD REGGIE BE PUT TO DEATH???????????????

????
Are you the dog's owner?

If you are, then your comments cannot be objective.
[quote][p][bold]cadey[/bold] wrote: Firstly i would like to say that more often than not reporters bend the truth as that is what sells papers. Reggie's breed is not on the dangerous dogs register and if anyone cares to spend some time looking into this breed of dog will find they make fantastic family pets. From ALL the information i have read on this case, supported by comments made in court, Reggie was with his owners on a lead which was tied to the picnic table where the owners were sitting whilst eating their dinner. Reggie was also eating his dinner with his back against the family involved. The owner of Reggie advised a family who's little girls was running around unsupervised( age 3) to make sure she does not try to pet the dog whilst he is eating, from the information i have read this was ignored by the child's family allowing her to run free, as i say without supervision. The information i have read is that the child ran up to Reggie from behind him making lots of noise (as any 3 year old does) Reggie would not have known this was a child, as far as Reggie was concerned he was protecting his food as any dog would. He turned his head biting the child (ONE BITE NOT SAVAGED) as reported, the child's father pulled the child away (understandably) which resulted in the wound's being much worse. I would also like to add that the case was heard in court on 15th October NOT Friday 22nd October as reported by "Chris Yandall" (please see my first statement about reporters not always publishing the truth. To the knowledge i have by looking into this case the owner of Reggie did everything he could to prevent this terrible accident from happening, why do some parents think they have to hand over responsibility of their children to members of the public when it comes to their welbeing, no doubt this accident would not of happened if they had taken full responsibility of the little girl, its not as though Reggie ran chase after her as he was tied up by his lead to the table with his owner, on what i have read to be "no more than a metre" This of course has been a terrible thing for the little girl which as i have already mentioned would not of happened if the appropriate parenting was at hand. Of course i hope any emotional and physical scars deminish for the little girl and hope she is kept safe in the future and HER parents DO NOT allow history to repeat itself, i would also like to add that no doubt Reggie's owner also has emotional scars from what has happened, i also read that the owner handed his mobile phone to the parents to call an ambulance, stayed with the family until the emergency service left. The owner called the child's family several times to see how the child was doing, does this sound like a young man without feeling "NO IT DOESNT". I would like to conclude that Reggies was doing no more than eating his dinner, protecting his food, as any dog would do, WHY SHOULD REGGIE BE PUT TO DEATH??????????????? ????[/p][/quote]Are you the dog's owner? If you are, then your comments cannot be objective. clausentum
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7:43pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Hantslad says...

clausentum wrote:
Hantslad wrote:
clausentum wrote: It's not rocket science. Dog owners are responsible for their dogs. Parents are responsible for their small children. How either dogs or small children behave in public is down to the respective dog owner or the parents of the small child. So, neither the dog nor the small child can in anyway be at fault. Blame rests squarely with the adults, not the dog nor the small child. In the article's reporting of events the balance of responsibility seems to weigh towards the dog owner and not the parents of the small child. If the Echo's facts are accurate then it is the dog owner who must shoulder the blame for the small child getting hurt and if the eventual outcome is the sad demise of the dog, then it is the dog owner who will also responsible for that happening.
I encourage you to check out the Public House this took place at via Google Earth. Then tell me a child should be running around free. I fully accept it's easy to blame an animal as they are unable to defend themselves. On this occasion the child should NOT have been running around, if the dog hadn't bitten the child a car would have hit it. Always easy to blame the quiet ones, rather than the stupid uneducated child!
Nice. A balanced thoughtful comment free from bias. Not.
I only ask that you look at the Public House in Question, when you see it, you will know what I mean!
[quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hantslad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: It's not rocket science. Dog owners are responsible for their dogs. Parents are responsible for their small children. How either dogs or small children behave in public is down to the respective dog owner or the parents of the small child. So, neither the dog nor the small child can in anyway be at fault. Blame rests squarely with the adults, not the dog nor the small child. In the article's reporting of events the balance of responsibility seems to weigh towards the dog owner and not the parents of the small child. If the Echo's facts are accurate then it is the dog owner who must shoulder the blame for the small child getting hurt and if the eventual outcome is the sad demise of the dog, then it is the dog owner who will also responsible for that happening.[/p][/quote]I encourage you to check out the Public House this took place at via Google Earth. Then tell me a child should be running around free. I fully accept it's easy to blame an animal as they are unable to defend themselves. On this occasion the child should NOT have been running around, if the dog hadn't bitten the child a car would have hit it. Always easy to blame the quiet ones, rather than the stupid uneducated child![/p][/quote]Nice. A balanced thoughtful comment free from bias. Not.[/p][/quote]I only ask that you look at the Public House in Question, when you see it, you will know what I mean! Hantslad
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7:48pm Sun 24 Oct 10

truth00 says...

how can u say that when its a childrens PLAY AREA u r telling me that children shouldnt be running around in a play area ........ but a dog should be????? av a word with yourself m8 ure making stupid comments the owner told us himself it was dangerous and the girl did not approch the dog!! the dog pulled the table it was tied to 3 foot just to savage the poor girl i blame the owner for endangering childrens lives plus 3 inches higher it wouldve killed her U LOT WOULD SOON CHANGE YOUR TUNE
how can u say that when its a childrens PLAY AREA u r telling me that children shouldnt be running around in a play area ........ but a dog should be????? av a word with yourself m8 ure making stupid comments the owner told us himself it was dangerous and the girl did not approch the dog!! the dog pulled the table it was tied to 3 foot just to savage the poor girl i blame the owner for endangering childrens lives plus 3 inches higher it wouldve killed her U LOT WOULD SOON CHANGE YOUR TUNE truth00
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8:25pm Sun 24 Oct 10

max8678 says...

my dad was biten by a dog a few yrs ago, on the face, and needed 20 stitches, the dog was old, my dad walked up behind it, leant down, and tapped it on the back, this spooked the dog, which then turned round and bit him, catching him on his face, my dad new it was his own fault, as the dog was nearly blind with bad hearing, and the only reson the dog bit his face, was becouse he was bent down, he asked the owners to keep the dog museled when out or if children visit.
i was allways told as a child to ask if i can stroke a dog first (shame my dad didnt remmember this lol) , if this dog was off the lead then this would be a whole diffrent story!!
my dad was biten by a dog a few yrs ago, on the face, and needed 20 stitches, the dog was old, my dad walked up behind it, leant down, and tapped it on the back, this spooked the dog, which then turned round and bit him, catching him on his face, my dad new it was his own fault, as the dog was nearly blind with bad hearing, and the only reson the dog bit his face, was becouse he was bent down, he asked the owners to keep the dog museled when out or if children visit. i was allways told as a child to ask if i can stroke a dog first (shame my dad didnt remmember this lol) , if this dog was off the lead then this would be a whole diffrent story!! max8678
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8:30pm Sun 24 Oct 10

WobblyCat says...

Propercynic wrote:
It's not right that the dog should be put to sleep and the owner jailed for this. As others have said, it's likely the child upset the dog in some way.
Like others here, I have had my dogs approached by children who won't take 'no' for an answer and persist in approaching and trying to pet the dogs even when told not to. The parents do nothing, yet would be the first to bleat if anything happened to the kid.
Why is it ALWAYS assumed the dog, and not the child, is in the wrong?
Good luck to Aaron and Reggie.
What genius insight do you have? 'It's likely the child upset the dog in some way!' How do you know that? My brother had one of these dogs and it's a huge, powerful beast, the owner must be a complete plank to not take greater caution. As a parent I have always watched my children like a hawk, there is potential danger everywhere for a young child who is always going to be inquisitive (seeing as she must have done something)! Blame the parents, blame the dog or blame the idiot owner but blaming a young child is ridiculous!!
[quote][p][bold]Propercynic[/bold] wrote: It's not right that the dog should be put to sleep and the owner jailed for this. As others have said, it's likely the child upset the dog in some way. Like others here, I have had my dogs approached by children who won't take 'no' for an answer and persist in approaching and trying to pet the dogs even when told not to. The parents do nothing, yet would be the first to bleat if anything happened to the kid. Why is it ALWAYS assumed the dog, and not the child, is in the wrong? Good luck to Aaron and Reggie.[/p][/quote]What genius insight do you have? 'It's likely the child upset the dog in some way!' How do you know that? My brother had one of these dogs and it's a huge, powerful beast, the owner must be a complete plank to not take greater caution. As a parent I have always watched my children like a hawk, there is potential danger everywhere for a young child who is always going to be inquisitive (seeing as she must have done something)! Blame the parents, blame the dog or blame the idiot owner but blaming a young child is ridiculous!! WobblyCat
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8:40pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Hantslad says...

A day on the Echo website and a dose of Vicks Vapo Rub does wonders for a cold!

Long live Reggie and let's hope parents learn from this and keep children on a leash, especially when I'm in a superstore!
A day on the Echo website and a dose of Vicks Vapo Rub does wonders for a cold! Long live Reggie and let's hope parents learn from this and keep children on a leash, especially when I'm in a superstore! Hantslad
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9:16pm Sun 24 Oct 10

derek james says...

as an owner of an english bullterrier i can see both sides of the comments but i hope reggie lives.
as an owner of an english bullterrier i can see both sides of the comments but i hope reggie lives. derek james
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9:20pm Sun 24 Oct 10

DEBBIE123A says...

I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day.
my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl
I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day. my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl DEBBIE123A
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9:27pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Jesus_02 says...

J.K. wrote:
The parents of the child should be neutered
You should have your fingers removed so you can’t type so unfeasibly moronic comments.

I dont know if I should be depressed or impressed by the fact that someone has trained a Rhodesian Ridgeback to type
[quote][p][bold]J.K.[/bold] wrote: The parents of the child should be neutered[/p][/quote]You should have your fingers removed so you can’t type so unfeasibly moronic comments. I dont know if I should be depressed or impressed by the fact that someone has trained a Rhodesian Ridgeback to type Jesus_02
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9:31pm Sun 24 Oct 10

DEBBIE123A says...

also my daughter was not outside near the road or pavement she was in the garden where they have fencing around
also my daughter was not outside near the road or pavement she was in the garden where they have fencing around DEBBIE123A
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9:34pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Hantslad says...

DEBBIE123A wrote:
I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day. my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl
Your comment has just made a great defence for the Dog! Well Done!

1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it.

I will forgive the numerous spelling mistakes which we come to expect from a certain breed.............
[quote][p][bold]DEBBIE123A[/bold] wrote: I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day. my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl[/p][/quote]Your comment has just made a great defence for the Dog! Well Done! 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. I will forgive the numerous spelling mistakes which we come to expect from a certain breed............. Hantslad
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9:40pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Jesus_02 says...

Kill the dog, the owners to blame.

No matter how intelligent a dog is it is incapable of remorse, it will not learn “the hard way”

I like dogs, but I understand that a dog is a dog. They don’t wear bow-ties and play snooker.

The owner needs to be banned from keeping dogs. If kids were pestering the dog he should have removed it from the situation.
Kill the dog, the owners to blame. No matter how intelligent a dog is it is incapable of remorse, it will not learn “the hard way” I like dogs, but I understand that a dog is a dog. They don’t wear bow-ties and play snooker. The owner needs to be banned from keeping dogs. If kids were pestering the dog he should have removed it from the situation. Jesus_02
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9:45pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Hantslad says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Kill the dog, the owners to blame. No matter how intelligent a dog is it is incapable of remorse, it will not learn “the hard way” I like dogs, but I understand that a dog is a dog. They don’t wear bow-ties and play snooker. The owner needs to be banned from keeping dogs. If kids were pestering the dog he should have removed it from the situation.
Actually, Children should be removed from the situation!

As a responsible parent it is our duty to protect our children. In the first place Children should not be in a Public House or anywhere that sells alcohol on-licence. Not because I am mean but because these days you cannot guarantee the behaviour of others, wether that be human or animal.

Responsible parents would be best of spending quality time with children rather than palming them off in a play pen whilst they have a beer!
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Kill the dog, the owners to blame. No matter how intelligent a dog is it is incapable of remorse, it will not learn “the hard way” I like dogs, but I understand that a dog is a dog. They don’t wear bow-ties and play snooker. The owner needs to be banned from keeping dogs. If kids were pestering the dog he should have removed it from the situation.[/p][/quote]Actually, Children should be removed from the situation! As a responsible parent it is our duty to protect our children. In the first place Children should not be in a Public House or anywhere that sells alcohol on-licence. Not because I am mean but because these days you cannot guarantee the behaviour of others, wether that be human or animal. Responsible parents would be best of spending quality time with children rather than palming them off in a play pen whilst they have a beer! Hantslad
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9:55pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Jesus_02 says...

Hantslad wrote:
DEBBIE123A wrote:
I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day. my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl
Your comment has just made a great defence for the Dog! Well Done!

1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it.

I will forgive the numerous spelling mistakes which we come to expect from a certain breed.............
The dog may not to be to blame…It may well be the owner.. but the dog has to die.

It has done what has wolves been trained not to do over generations.

Feel sorry for the dog if you must, but blame the owner and kill the dog.

As for publicly attacking a mum who has just had her 3 year old mauled..it’s a bit sick don’t you think?

I don’t think spelling would be the first thing on her mind…do you?
[quote][p][bold]Hantslad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DEBBIE123A[/bold] wrote: I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day. my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl[/p][/quote]Your comment has just made a great defence for the Dog! Well Done! 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. I will forgive the numerous spelling mistakes which we come to expect from a certain breed.............[/p][/quote]The dog may not to be to blame…It may well be the owner.. but the dog has to die. It has done what has wolves been trained not to do over generations. Feel sorry for the dog if you must, but blame the owner and kill the dog. As for publicly attacking a mum who has just had her 3 year old mauled..it’s a bit sick don’t you think? I don’t think spelling would be the first thing on her mind…do you? Jesus_02
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9:56pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Jesus_02 says...

The dog may not to be to blame…It may well be the owner.. but the dog has to die.

It has done what has wolves been trained not to do over generations.

Feel sorry for the dog if you must, but blame the owner and kill the dog.

As for publicly attacking a mum who has just had her 3 year old mauled..it’s a bit sick don’t you think?

I don’t think spelling would be the first thing on her mind…do you?
The dog may not to be to blame…It may well be the owner.. but the dog has to die. It has done what has wolves been trained not to do over generations. Feel sorry for the dog if you must, but blame the owner and kill the dog. As for publicly attacking a mum who has just had her 3 year old mauled..it’s a bit sick don’t you think? I don’t think spelling would be the first thing on her mind…do you? Jesus_02
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10:02pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Jesus_02 says...

Hantslad wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
Kill the dog, the owners to blame. No matter how intelligent a dog is it is incapable of remorse, it will not learn “the hard way” I like dogs, but I understand that a dog is a dog. They don’t wear bow-ties and play snooker. The owner needs to be banned from keeping dogs. If kids were pestering the dog he should have removed it from the situation.
Actually, Children should be removed from the situation!

As a responsible parent it is our duty to protect our children. In the first place Children should not be in a Public House or anywhere that sells alcohol on-licence. Not because I am mean but because these days you cannot guarantee the behaviour of others, wether that be human or animal.

Responsible parents would be best of spending quality time with children rather than palming them off in a play pen whilst they have a beer!
It’s a carvary! What you are saying is that anyone with children should not go out in case they annoy people that want to take dogs?

Your comment is bizarre as it’s stupid
[quote][p][bold]Hantslad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Kill the dog, the owners to blame. No matter how intelligent a dog is it is incapable of remorse, it will not learn “the hard way” I like dogs, but I understand that a dog is a dog. They don’t wear bow-ties and play snooker. The owner needs to be banned from keeping dogs. If kids were pestering the dog he should have removed it from the situation.[/p][/quote]Actually, Children should be removed from the situation! As a responsible parent it is our duty to protect our children. In the first place Children should not be in a Public House or anywhere that sells alcohol on-licence. Not because I am mean but because these days you cannot guarantee the behaviour of others, wether that be human or animal. Responsible parents would be best of spending quality time with children rather than palming them off in a play pen whilst they have a beer![/p][/quote]It’s a carvary! What you are saying is that anyone with children should not go out in case they annoy people that want to take dogs? Your comment is bizarre as it’s stupid Jesus_02
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10:06pm Sun 24 Oct 10

DEBBIE123A says...

also the dog was not feeding all it had was a bowl of water that was over the over side of the table and the dog never had his back to my daughter, all of a sudden the dog pulled the picnic table and attacked my baby girl now she has got to live with the nightmare the fear this aint right that dog should not have a right to do this to another child also even the damages that monster done from its claws has scared he, how can a dog owner pretect a dangerous dog like that when he said to me that he was going to put it down as it is evil, ALSO I DID NOT USED OR BE OFFERED TO USE HIS MOBILE PHONE WHAT A LOAD OF LIES and we was looking after and watching our daughter at ALL TIMES that evil beast went for he with in seconds pulling the picnic table with the owner and girlfriend on it also his girlfriend said she wasn't with him they are just friends what was she ashamed off and there are stuff i dont no if i can say but i now what he had taken off him by police and we will be fighting for our daughter to get the justis she deserves
also the dog was not feeding all it had was a bowl of water that was over the over side of the table and the dog never had his back to my daughter, all of a sudden the dog pulled the picnic table and attacked my baby girl now she has got to live with the nightmare the fear this aint right that dog should not have a right to do this to another child also even the damages that monster done from its claws has scared he, how can a dog owner pretect a dangerous dog like that when he said to me that he was going to put it down as it is evil, ALSO I DID NOT USED OR BE OFFERED TO USE HIS MOBILE PHONE WHAT A LOAD OF LIES and we was looking after and watching our daughter at ALL TIMES that evil beast went for he with in seconds pulling the picnic table with the owner and girlfriend on it also his girlfriend said she wasn't with him they are just friends what was she ashamed off and there are stuff i dont no if i can say but i now what he had taken off him by police and we will be fighting for our daughter to get the justis she deserves DEBBIE123A
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10:07pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Hantslad says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
The dog may not to be to blame…It may well be the owner.. but the dog has to die. It has done what has wolves been trained not to do over generations. Feel sorry for the dog if you must, but blame the owner and kill the dog. As for publicly attacking a mum who has just had her 3 year old mauled..it’s a bit sick don’t you think? I don’t think spelling would be the first thing on her mind…do you?
As for publicly attacking a mum who has just had her 3 year old mauled..it’s a bit sick don’t you think?


The child suffered a bite on the shoulder, don't make up a story that doesn't exist.

If someone ran at you what would your reaction be? A human can say 'Go Away' an animal can't!

If a spoilt child ran at me I'd be tempted to bite too these days, I hasted to add tempted!
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: The dog may not to be to blame…It may well be the owner.. but the dog has to die. It has done what has wolves been trained not to do over generations. Feel sorry for the dog if you must, but blame the owner and kill the dog. As for publicly attacking a mum who has just had her 3 year old mauled..it’s a bit sick don’t you think? I don’t think spelling would be the first thing on her mind…do you?[/p][/quote]As for publicly attacking a mum who has just had her 3 year old mauled..it’s a bit sick don’t you think? The child suffered a bite on the shoulder, don't make up a story that doesn't exist. If someone ran at you what would your reaction be? A human can say 'Go Away' an animal can't! If a spoilt child ran at me I'd be tempted to bite too these days, I hasted to add tempted! Hantslad
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10:13pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Jesus_02 says...

DEBBIE123A wrote:
also the dog was not feeding all it had was a bowl of water that was over the over side of the table and the dog never had his back to my daughter, all of a sudden the dog pulled the picnic table and attacked my baby girl now she has got to live with the nightmare the fear this aint right that dog should not have a right to do this to another child also even the damages that monster done from its claws has scared he, how can a dog owner pretect a dangerous dog like that when he said to me that he was going to put it down as it is evil, ALSO I DID NOT USED OR BE OFFERED TO USE HIS MOBILE PHONE WHAT A LOAD OF LIES and we was looking after and watching our daughter at ALL TIMES that evil beast went for he with in seconds pulling the picnic table with the owner and girlfriend on it also his girlfriend said she wasn't with him they are just friends what was she ashamed off and there are stuff i dont no if i can say but i now what he had taken off him by police and we will be fighting for our daughter to get the justis she deserves
I would just like to offer my support. Try not to take what some peopel are saying to heart.

It is vey easy to make stupid comments from the saftey of their armchairs
[quote][p][bold]DEBBIE123A[/bold] wrote: also the dog was not feeding all it had was a bowl of water that was over the over side of the table and the dog never had his back to my daughter, all of a sudden the dog pulled the picnic table and attacked my baby girl now she has got to live with the nightmare the fear this aint right that dog should not have a right to do this to another child also even the damages that monster done from its claws has scared he, how can a dog owner pretect a dangerous dog like that when he said to me that he was going to put it down as it is evil, ALSO I DID NOT USED OR BE OFFERED TO USE HIS MOBILE PHONE WHAT A LOAD OF LIES and we was looking after and watching our daughter at ALL TIMES that evil beast went for he with in seconds pulling the picnic table with the owner and girlfriend on it also his girlfriend said she wasn't with him they are just friends what was she ashamed off and there are stuff i dont no if i can say but i now what he had taken off him by police and we will be fighting for our daughter to get the justis she deserves[/p][/quote]I would just like to offer my support. Try not to take what some peopel are saying to heart. It is vey easy to make stupid comments from the saftey of their armchairs Jesus_02
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10:21pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Jesus_02 says...

Does you word processor not check grammar?

"I hasted to add"

…sank its teeth into the little girl’s shoulder and lifted her off her feet "

Maul= def( Mangle or Maltreat)

And who is making stuff up, how do you know that the child is spoilt? And what are you actually saying. The punishment for 3 years olds that are “spoilt” should be “biting by dangerous dogs”
Does you word processor not check grammar? "I hasted to add" …sank its teeth into the little girl’s shoulder and lifted her off her feet " Maul= def( Mangle or Maltreat) And who is making stuff up, how do you know that the child is spoilt? And what are you actually saying. The punishment for 3 years olds that are “spoilt” should be “biting by dangerous dogs” Jesus_02
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10:26pm Sun 24 Oct 10

DEBBIE123A says...

Hantslad wrote:
DEBBIE123A wrote: I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day. my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl
Your comment has just made a great defence for the Dog! Well Done! 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. I will forgive the numerous spelling mistakes which we come to expect from a certain breed.............
and the chain was taken from the owner as it was not aloud to be used
and i am happy with my spelling and i will be happy when i get justis for my little 3 YEAR OLD girl
[quote][p][bold]Hantslad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DEBBIE123A[/bold] wrote: I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day. my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl[/p][/quote]Your comment has just made a great defence for the Dog! Well Done! 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. I will forgive the numerous spelling mistakes which we come to expect from a certain breed.............[/p][/quote]and the chain was taken from the owner as it was not aloud to be used and i am happy with my spelling and i will be happy when i get justis for my little 3 YEAR OLD girl DEBBIE123A
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10:31pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Hantslad says...

DEBBIE123A wrote:
Hantslad wrote:
DEBBIE123A wrote: I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day. my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl
Your comment has just made a great defence for the Dog! Well Done! 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. I will forgive the numerous spelling mistakes which we come to expect from a certain breed.............
and the chain was taken from the owner as it was not aloud to be used and i am happy with my spelling and i will be happy when i get justis for my little 3 YEAR OLD girl
One can only hope your 3 year old doesn't learn from yourself. Please put her through a decent education and encourage her to become a decent person, rather than someone who is uneducated and blames everyone else for their misfortune..........
.
[quote][p][bold]DEBBIE123A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hantslad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DEBBIE123A[/bold] wrote: I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day. my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl[/p][/quote]Your comment has just made a great defence for the Dog! Well Done! 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. I will forgive the numerous spelling mistakes which we come to expect from a certain breed.............[/p][/quote]and the chain was taken from the owner as it was not aloud to be used and i am happy with my spelling and i will be happy when i get justis for my little 3 YEAR OLD girl[/p][/quote]One can only hope your 3 year old doesn't learn from yourself. Please put her through a decent education and encourage her to become a decent person, rather than someone who is uneducated and blames everyone else for their misfortune.......... . Hantslad
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10:34pm Sun 24 Oct 10

DEBBIE123A says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
DEBBIE123A wrote: also the dog was not feeding all it had was a bowl of water that was over the over side of the table and the dog never had his back to my daughter, all of a sudden the dog pulled the picnic table and attacked my baby girl now she has got to live with the nightmare the fear this aint right that dog should not have a right to do this to another child also even the damages that monster done from its claws has scared he, how can a dog owner pretect a dangerous dog like that when he said to me that he was going to put it down as it is evil, ALSO I DID NOT USED OR BE OFFERED TO USE HIS MOBILE PHONE WHAT A LOAD OF LIES and we was looking after and watching our daughter at ALL TIMES that evil beast went for he with in seconds pulling the picnic table with the owner and girlfriend on it also his girlfriend said she wasn't with him they are just friends what was she ashamed off and there are stuff i dont no if i can say but i now what he had taken off him by police and we will be fighting for our daughter to get the justis she deserves
I would just like to offer my support. Try not to take what some peopel are saying to heart. It is vey easy to make stupid comments from the saftey of their armchairs
thank u so much it does hurt me mostly as my little girl wasn't to blame but i will not take it to heart as it prob people that the owner no's but i am going to be stronge for my girl an thank u again a god bless
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DEBBIE123A[/bold] wrote: also the dog was not feeding all it had was a bowl of water that was over the over side of the table and the dog never had his back to my daughter, all of a sudden the dog pulled the picnic table and attacked my baby girl now she has got to live with the nightmare the fear this aint right that dog should not have a right to do this to another child also even the damages that monster done from its claws has scared he, how can a dog owner pretect a dangerous dog like that when he said to me that he was going to put it down as it is evil, ALSO I DID NOT USED OR BE OFFERED TO USE HIS MOBILE PHONE WHAT A LOAD OF LIES and we was looking after and watching our daughter at ALL TIMES that evil beast went for he with in seconds pulling the picnic table with the owner and girlfriend on it also his girlfriend said she wasn't with him they are just friends what was she ashamed off and there are stuff i dont no if i can say but i now what he had taken off him by police and we will be fighting for our daughter to get the justis she deserves[/p][/quote]I would just like to offer my support. Try not to take what some peopel are saying to heart. It is vey easy to make stupid comments from the saftey of their armchairs[/p][/quote]thank u so much it does hurt me mostly as my little girl wasn't to blame but i will not take it to heart as it prob people that the owner no's but i am going to be stronge for my girl an thank u again a god bless DEBBIE123A
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10:36pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Jesus_02 says...

Hantslad wrote:
northamsoul wrote:
all the people saying it should be the kid put down, its the parents fault..etc etc..get a **** life..!!! how long before all dog's are banned from public places!!. They bloody should be as it happens all time, if the dog had bit my daughter it wouldn't have made it to the **** car!!!
I'm sure you're a great parent with so many ** in your post. This government should bring in a Licence to breed with a suitable training programme attached to it!

Maybe then society would become a better place, free of children who run riot and grow up to disrespect others.

I'm sick of parents who claim children are angels. Whilst 'most' children are genuinly nice, we seem to have an awful lot who are bought up in an environment of foul language and violence.
I would put money on the fact that you are barren
[quote][p][bold]Hantslad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northamsoul[/bold] wrote: all the people saying it should be the kid put down, its the parents fault..etc etc..get a **** life..!!! how long before all dog's are banned from public places!!. They bloody should be as it happens all time, if the dog had bit my daughter it wouldn't have made it to the **** car!!![/p][/quote]I'm sure you're a great parent with so many ** in your post. This government should bring in a Licence to breed with a suitable training programme attached to it! Maybe then society would become a better place, free of children who run riot and grow up to disrespect others. I'm sick of parents who claim children are angels. Whilst 'most' children are genuinly nice, we seem to have an awful lot who are bought up in an environment of foul language and violence.[/p][/quote]I would put money on the fact that you are barren Jesus_02
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10:46pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Hantslad says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Hantslad wrote:
northamsoul wrote: all the people saying it should be the kid put down, its the parents fault..etc etc..get a **** life..!!! how long before all dog's are banned from public places!!. They bloody should be as it happens all time, if the dog had bit my daughter it wouldn't have made it to the **** car!!!
I'm sure you're a great parent with so many ** in your post. This government should bring in a Licence to breed with a suitable training programme attached to it! Maybe then society would become a better place, free of children who run riot and grow up to disrespect others. I'm sick of parents who claim children are angels. Whilst 'most' children are genuinly nice, we seem to have an awful lot who are bought up in an environment of foul language and violence.
I would put money on the fact that you are barren
The scary thing is, people like you actually DO exist in real life, not just on the internet. It's a worrying thing!

We then ask questions as to why the dog bit, maybe he was more intelligent than us humans!
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hantslad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northamsoul[/bold] wrote: all the people saying it should be the kid put down, its the parents fault..etc etc..get a **** life..!!! how long before all dog's are banned from public places!!. They bloody should be as it happens all time, if the dog had bit my daughter it wouldn't have made it to the **** car!!![/p][/quote]I'm sure you're a great parent with so many ** in your post. This government should bring in a Licence to breed with a suitable training programme attached to it! Maybe then society would become a better place, free of children who run riot and grow up to disrespect others. I'm sick of parents who claim children are angels. Whilst 'most' children are genuinly nice, we seem to have an awful lot who are bought up in an environment of foul language and violence.[/p][/quote]I would put money on the fact that you are barren[/p][/quote]The scary thing is, people like you actually DO exist in real life, not just on the internet. It's a worrying thing! We then ask questions as to why the dog bit, maybe he was more intelligent than us humans! Hantslad
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10:50pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Jesus_02 says...

DEBBIE123A wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
DEBBIE123A wrote: also the dog was not feeding all it had was a bowl of water that was over the over side of the table and the dog never had his back to my daughter, all of a sudden the dog pulled the picnic table and attacked my baby girl now she has got to live with the nightmare the fear this aint right that dog should not have a right to do this to another child also even the damages that monster done from its claws has scared he, how can a dog owner pretect a dangerous dog like that when he said to me that he was going to put it down as it is evil, ALSO I DID NOT USED OR BE OFFERED TO USE HIS MOBILE PHONE WHAT A LOAD OF LIES and we was looking after and watching our daughter at ALL TIMES that evil beast went for he with in seconds pulling the picnic table with the owner and girlfriend on it also his girlfriend said she wasn't with him they are just friends what was she ashamed off and there are stuff i dont no if i can say but i now what he had taken off him by police and we will be fighting for our daughter to get the justis she deserves
I would just like to offer my support. Try not to take what some peopel are saying to heart. It is vey easy to make stupid comments from the saftey of their armchairs
thank u so much it does hurt me mostly as my little girl wasn't to blame but i will not take it to heart as it prob people that the owner no's but i am going to be stronge for my girl an thank u again a god bless
One can only hope your 3 year old doesn't learn from yourself

Should read

I can only hope that your 3 year old doesn't learn from you

or

One only hopes, your 3 year old doesn’t learn from you.

Or

Only one hope, your 3 year old doesn’t learn from you.

Any of the above will do
[quote][p][bold]DEBBIE123A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DEBBIE123A[/bold] wrote: also the dog was not feeding all it had was a bowl of water that was over the over side of the table and the dog never had his back to my daughter, all of a sudden the dog pulled the picnic table and attacked my baby girl now she has got to live with the nightmare the fear this aint right that dog should not have a right to do this to another child also even the damages that monster done from its claws has scared he, how can a dog owner pretect a dangerous dog like that when he said to me that he was going to put it down as it is evil, ALSO I DID NOT USED OR BE OFFERED TO USE HIS MOBILE PHONE WHAT A LOAD OF LIES and we was looking after and watching our daughter at ALL TIMES that evil beast went for he with in seconds pulling the picnic table with the owner and girlfriend on it also his girlfriend said she wasn't with him they are just friends what was she ashamed off and there are stuff i dont no if i can say but i now what he had taken off him by police and we will be fighting for our daughter to get the justis she deserves[/p][/quote]I would just like to offer my support. Try not to take what some peopel are saying to heart. It is vey easy to make stupid comments from the saftey of their armchairs[/p][/quote]thank u so much it does hurt me mostly as my little girl wasn't to blame but i will not take it to heart as it prob people that the owner no's but i am going to be stronge for my girl an thank u again a god bless[/p][/quote]One can only hope your 3 year old doesn't learn from yourself Should read I can only hope that your 3 year old doesn't learn from you or One only hopes, your 3 year old doesn’t learn from you. Or Only one hope, your 3 year old doesn’t learn from you. Any of the above will do Jesus_02
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10:54pm Sun 24 Oct 10

clausentum says...

These word-dueling posters should kiss and make up, preferably over a pint in a pub, with no dogs or children around?

:-)

Perhaps then they might not appear to the rest of the Echo readership as naff and nasty personalities with little tolerance to someone else having a view different to their own?

After all, what they say is simply an opinion and opinions are not facts!
These word-dueling posters should kiss and make up, preferably over a pint in a pub, with no dogs or children around? :-) Perhaps then they might not appear to the rest of the Echo readership as naff and nasty personalities with little tolerance to someone else having a view different to their own? After all, what they say is simply an opinion and opinions are not facts! clausentum
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10:58pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Jesus_02 says...

Hantslad wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
Hantslad wrote:
northamsoul wrote: all the people saying it should be the kid put down, its the parents fault..etc etc..get a **** life..!!! how long before all dog's are banned from public places!!. They bloody should be as it happens all time, if the dog had bit my daughter it wouldn't have made it to the **** car!!!
I'm sure you're a great parent with so many ** in your post. This government should bring in a Licence to breed with a suitable training programme attached to it! Maybe then society would become a better place, free of children who run riot and grow up to disrespect others. I'm sick of parents who claim children are angels. Whilst 'most' children are genuinly nice, we seem to have an awful lot who are bought up in an environment of foul language and violence.
I would put money on the fact that you are barren
The scary thing is, people like you actually DO exist in real life, not just on the internet. It's a worrying thing!

We then ask questions as to why the dog bit, maybe he was more intelligent than us humans!
“The scary thing is, people like you actually DO exist in real life, not just on the internet. It's a worrying thing!”

Should read

The scary thing is, people like you, actually exist, not just on the internet.
(There are so many double negative in the original I am genuinely confused)


“We then ask questions as to why the dog bit, maybe he was more intelligent than us humans!

Should read

We then ask the question, why did the dog bite? Maybe he was more intelligent than us humans!

Probably more intelligent than you!

Goodnight x
[quote][p][bold]Hantslad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hantslad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northamsoul[/bold] wrote: all the people saying it should be the kid put down, its the parents fault..etc etc..get a **** life..!!! how long before all dog's are banned from public places!!. They bloody should be as it happens all time, if the dog had bit my daughter it wouldn't have made it to the **** car!!![/p][/quote]I'm sure you're a great parent with so many ** in your post. This government should bring in a Licence to breed with a suitable training programme attached to it! Maybe then society would become a better place, free of children who run riot and grow up to disrespect others. I'm sick of parents who claim children are angels. Whilst 'most' children are genuinly nice, we seem to have an awful lot who are bought up in an environment of foul language and violence.[/p][/quote]I would put money on the fact that you are barren[/p][/quote]The scary thing is, people like you actually DO exist in real life, not just on the internet. It's a worrying thing! We then ask questions as to why the dog bit, maybe he was more intelligent than us humans![/p][/quote]“The scary thing is, people like you actually DO exist in real life, not just on the internet. It's a worrying thing!” Should read The scary thing is, people like you, actually exist, not just on the internet. (There are so many double negative in the original I am genuinely confused) “We then ask questions as to why the dog bit, maybe he was more intelligent than us humans! Should read We then ask the question, why did the dog bite? Maybe he was more intelligent than us humans! Probably more intelligent than you! Goodnight x Jesus_02
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11:24pm Sun 24 Oct 10

VeePhelps says...

I woz ther an all. That dog was kicking of a rite stink. The dog draged a huge table and 4 people at least 6 feet or is that foot canne remember anyway, the dog was bad. I gonna be witness cos me mate saw it al and told me bout it.

me mate who thinks shes the mom of the child but she unsure cos so many court stuff goin on about who the dad is etc. She said the chav was wel behaved init.
Duno what to fink anymore. as to be the dogs fault cos we only ave dogs for status init
I woz ther an all. That dog was kicking of a rite stink. The dog draged a huge table and 4 people at least 6 feet or is that foot canne remember anyway, the dog was bad. I gonna be witness cos me mate saw it al and told me bout it. me mate who thinks shes the mom of the child but she unsure cos so many court stuff goin on about who the dad is etc. She said the chav was wel behaved init. Duno what to fink anymore. as to be the dogs fault cos we only ave dogs for status init VeePhelps
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11:34pm Sun 24 Oct 10

Jesus_02 says...

clausentum wrote:
These word-dueling posters should kiss and make up, preferably over a pint in a pub, with no dogs or children around?

:-)

Perhaps then they might not appear to the rest of the Echo readership as naff and nasty personalities with little tolerance to someone else having a view different to their own?

After all, what they say is simply an opinion and opinions are not facts!
nah, Hantslads poison.

Its pretty low slagging the mum off in public.

BTW though your earlier post was spot on. (if a bit more sensitively put than mine!)
[quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: These word-dueling posters should kiss and make up, preferably over a pint in a pub, with no dogs or children around? :-) Perhaps then they might not appear to the rest of the Echo readership as naff and nasty personalities with little tolerance to someone else having a view different to their own? After all, what they say is simply an opinion and opinions are not facts![/p][/quote]nah, Hantslads poison. Its pretty low slagging the mum off in public. BTW though your earlier post was spot on. (if a bit more sensitively put than mine!) Jesus_02
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11:52pm Sun 24 Oct 10

clausentum says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
clausentum wrote:
These word-dueling posters should kiss and make up, preferably over a pint in a pub, with no dogs or children around?

:-)

Perhaps then they might not appear to the rest of the Echo readership as naff and nasty personalities with little tolerance to someone else having a view different to their own?

After all, what they say is simply an opinion and opinions are not facts!
nah, Hantslads poison.

Its pretty low slagging the mum off in public.

BTW though your earlier post was spot on. (if a bit more sensitively put than mine!)
Cheers! Generous of you to say so. Maybe the morality within the word-fencing was tilted in your direction? :-)
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clausentum[/bold] wrote: These word-dueling posters should kiss and make up, preferably over a pint in a pub, with no dogs or children around? :-) Perhaps then they might not appear to the rest of the Echo readership as naff and nasty personalities with little tolerance to someone else having a view different to their own? After all, what they say is simply an opinion and opinions are not facts![/p][/quote]nah, Hantslads poison. Its pretty low slagging the mum off in public. BTW though your earlier post was spot on. (if a bit more sensitively put than mine!)[/p][/quote]Cheers! Generous of you to say so. Maybe the morality within the word-fencing was tilted in your direction? :-) clausentum
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12:13am Mon 25 Oct 10

P1k3y says...

Please be fair - the only reasen me sister went to the papers was to get more compensation. We dont want no bother just to have whats owed to us. the dog took a chunk of my niece so I think its only fair the owners cough up. hantslad you need to wake up without chilfren like ours the country will go down get a life
Please be fair - the only reasen me sister went to the papers was to get more compensation. We dont want no bother just to have whats owed to us. the dog took a chunk of my niece so I think its only fair the owners cough up. hantslad you need to wake up without chilfren like ours the country will go down get a life P1k3y
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7:20am Mon 25 Oct 10

Spot O'Bother says...

This is becoming hilarious. Long may it continue! More from the 'mother' & 'eye witnesses' please.
This is becoming hilarious. Long may it continue! More from the 'mother' & 'eye witnesses' please. Spot O'Bother
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8:51am Mon 25 Oct 10

Ferngully says...

Put down the drug dealing chav and the dog.
Put down the drug dealing chav and the dog. Ferngully
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10:14am Mon 25 Oct 10

Rax says...

I was there too and saw the dog dealing coke in the toilets just before the incident. The little girl was just minding her own business comparing tattoos with her friends.
I was there too and saw the dog dealing coke in the toilets just before the incident. The little girl was just minding her own business comparing tattoos with her friends. Rax
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10:21am Mon 25 Oct 10

Elgy says...

Poor girl, hope she's ok.
Poor girl, hope she's ok. Elgy
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10:37am Mon 25 Oct 10

bigmonkeyman says...

it seems that english may not be the first language
it seems that english may not be the first language bigmonkeyman
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11:28am Mon 25 Oct 10

mynameisnotange says...

Its a sad society we live in when the life of an animal means more to certain individuals than the safety of children. There is nothing in this report to support the comments about the child running riot.
Its a sad society we live in when the life of an animal means more to certain individuals than the safety of children. There is nothing in this report to support the comments about the child running riot. mynameisnotange
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12:06pm Mon 25 Oct 10

Mabes says...

ITS A DOG !!!!!!!!!!!!

People are more important than dogs, all you lentil eating tie dye wearing freaks need to realise that.

I suppose you are against animal testing even if it means a relative would potentially have a cure for a disease.
ITS A DOG !!!!!!!!!!!! People are more important than dogs, all you lentil eating tie dye wearing freaks need to realise that. I suppose you are against animal testing even if it means a relative would potentially have a cure for a disease. Mabes
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12:48pm Mon 25 Oct 10

BenJovi says...

If any dog did this to my little girl, not only would I make sure the dog dies, I would personally make sure the owner gets what's coming to them.

Roaming around with a dangerous dog is as bad as carrying a dangerous knife in my opinion. There's nothing stopping these people having non-dangerous dogs as pets instead.
If any dog did this to my little girl, not only would I make sure the dog dies, I would personally make sure the owner gets what's coming to them. Roaming around with a dangerous dog is as bad as carrying a dangerous knife in my opinion. There's nothing stopping these people having non-dangerous dogs as pets instead. BenJovi
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1:13pm Mon 25 Oct 10

whoreofjesus says...

Its such a shame that such a beautiful breed of dog has bitten a human child....I have helped breed and raise dogs and unfortunately once a biter , always a biter !! This dog will bite again and its such a waste but it should be destroyed to eradicate this aggresive streak. Ridgebacks can be very docile, however this one isnt. Our dogs are our pets and they MUST instinctively know that biting is wrong !! I'd be interested to know which breeder this dog came from ...and with a name like reggie (I can only assume a brother called Ronnie was on the cards) I bet this dog has been raised to be aggresive to some degree !!!
Its such a shame that such a beautiful breed of dog has bitten a human child....I have helped breed and raise dogs and unfortunately once a biter , always a biter !! This dog will bite again and its such a waste but it should be destroyed to eradicate this aggresive streak. Ridgebacks can be very docile, however this one isnt. Our dogs are our pets and they MUST instinctively know that biting is wrong !! I'd be interested to know which breeder this dog came from ...and with a name like reggie (I can only assume a brother called Ronnie was on the cards) I bet this dog has been raised to be aggresive to some degree !!! whoreofjesus
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2:51pm Mon 25 Oct 10

tangotim says...

Dogs can be wonderful companions. And dogs can hurt and kill people. Both of these facts are true for ANY dog - especially those with significant size and strength (even those with "docile temperaments" and "good owners"). A responsible owner recognises this fact and ensures that their pet NEVER puts anyone else at risk. Children will be children and dogs will be dogs. You can't blame either of them for behaving as they do. But dog owners have a duty of care to the public, and there can be no second chances if they fail in this essential duty (that's part of the responsibility they take on when they start out).

I do feel sorry for the mother of the girl (and of course the girl herself) - some of the comments on here towards her are despicable: I don't care whether or not she can spell - it's irrelevant! Her daughter has just been mauled by a dog and everyone should be sympathetic towards that. I also find it hard to see how such venom towards the child and the parent can possibly be justified, since we know very few facts about the circumstances; and the child is 3 - how can it be to blame??!

There should be a couple of blanket rules that all dogs capable of more than a certain bite strength wear a muzzle when not at home, and that ALL dogs should always be kept on a lead when out and about, with significant fines for anyone breaching them. It's just common sense in my mind... but I suspect there are some dog-loving, people-hating socio-paths who would be horrified at such a suggestion.
Dogs can be wonderful companions. And dogs can hurt and kill people. Both of these facts are true for ANY dog - especially those with significant size and strength (even those with "docile temperaments" and "good owners"). A responsible owner recognises this fact and ensures that their pet NEVER puts anyone else at risk. Children will be children and dogs will be dogs. You can't blame either of them for behaving as they do. But dog owners have a duty of care to the public, and there can be no second chances if they fail in this essential duty (that's part of the responsibility they take on when they start out). I do feel sorry for the mother of the girl (and of course the girl herself) - some of the comments on here towards her are despicable: I don't care whether or not she can spell - it's irrelevant! Her daughter has just been mauled by a dog and everyone should be sympathetic towards that. I also find it hard to see how such venom towards the child and the parent can possibly be justified, since we know very few facts about the circumstances; and the child is 3 - how can it be to blame??! There should be a couple of blanket rules that all dogs capable of more than a certain bite strength wear a muzzle when not at home, and that ALL dogs should always be kept on a lead when out and about, with significant fines for anyone breaching them. It's just common sense in my mind... but I suspect there are some dog-loving, people-hating socio-paths who would be horrified at such a suggestion. tangotim
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2:58pm Mon 25 Oct 10

bigronthestaff says...

Dog Owner's Licence.
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Driving Licence.
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Firearms Licence.
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Can you spot the odd one out?
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. IF YOU WANT TO OWN A DOG, YOU SHOULD PASS A SUITABILITY AND APPROPRIATENESS TEST. Cars, guns and dogs will kill people, yet I don't have to pass any kind of test to own dogs. THAT, my friends, isn't rocket science.
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KEEP KIDS AND DOGS SEPARATED!
Another bit of non-rocket science.
Dog Owner's Licence. - Driving Licence. - Firearms Licence. - Can you spot the odd one out? If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. IF YOU WANT TO OWN A DOG, YOU SHOULD PASS A SUITABILITY AND APPROPRIATENESS TEST. Cars, guns and dogs will kill people, yet I don't have to pass any kind of test to own dogs. THAT, my friends, isn't rocket science. - KEEP KIDS AND DOGS SEPARATED! Another bit of non-rocket science. bigronthestaff
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3:04pm Mon 25 Oct 10

clausentum says...

Tangotim

Excellent post. Balanced. Objective and goes to the nub of the issue. But duck! Your last line may trigger venomous arrows heading your way! :-)
Tangotim Excellent post. Balanced. Objective and goes to the nub of the issue. But duck! Your last line may trigger venomous arrows heading your way! :-) clausentum
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5:17pm Mon 25 Oct 10

Wall_Ace says...

DEBBIE123A wrote:
I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day. my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl
Few points:

1. I'm sceptical of your claims to be the mother of the child.

2. Your 4th point. He didn't take a dog that hadn't eaten for 2 weeks to a pub. Read the bloody article, the dog didn't eat for 2 weeks AFTER, that's A-F-T-E-R, AFTER the incident.

3. IF you are the child's parent, it was highly irresponsible of you to allow her to go near a strangers dog. All parents should tell children not to approach another dog unless the owner says it's safe. And the dog was tied up so don't tell us that it went for her. She would have to have got too close or provoked it in some way.

4. As a responsible dog owner myself, I don't let children near him unless their parents say it's fine, because in the past unruly children have hurt my dog unintentionally when petting it. Young children are heavy-handed and don't know their own strength. They can pull a dog's tail or ears without meaning to and the dog feels the need to defend itself, often resulting in the dog lashing out in self-defence.

5. Your spelling, punctuation and overall grammar is f***ing abysmal.
[quote][p][bold]DEBBIE123A[/bold] wrote: I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day. my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl[/p][/quote]Few points: 1. I'm sceptical of your claims to be the mother of the child. 2. Your 4th point. He didn't take a dog that hadn't eaten for 2 weeks to a pub. Read the bloody article, the dog didn't eat for 2 weeks AFTER, that's A-F-T-E-R, AFTER the incident. 3. IF you are the child's parent, it was highly irresponsible of you to allow her to go near a strangers dog. All parents should tell children not to approach another dog unless the owner says it's safe. And the dog was tied up so don't tell us that it went for her. She would have to have got too close or provoked it in some way. 4. As a responsible dog owner myself, I don't let children near him unless their parents say it's fine, because in the past unruly children have hurt my dog unintentionally when petting it. Young children are heavy-handed and don't know their own strength. They can pull a dog's tail or ears without meaning to and the dog feels the need to defend itself, often resulting in the dog lashing out in self-defence. 5. Your spelling, punctuation and overall grammar is f***ing abysmal. Wall_Ace
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5:48pm Mon 25 Oct 10

Ferngully says...

Wall_Ace wrote:
DEBBIE123A wrote: I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day. my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl
Few points: 1. I'm sceptical of your claims to be the mother of the child. 2. Your 4th point. He didn't take a dog that hadn't eaten for 2 weeks to a pub. Read the bloody article, the dog didn't eat for 2 weeks AFTER, that's A-F-T-E-R, AFTER the incident. 3. IF you are the child's parent, it was highly irresponsible of you to allow her to go near a strangers dog. All parents should tell children not to approach another dog unless the owner says it's safe. And the dog was tied up so don't tell us that it went for her. She would have to have got too close or provoked it in some way. 4. As a responsible dog owner myself, I don't let children near him unless their parents say it's fine, because in the past unruly children have hurt my dog unintentionally when petting it. Young children are heavy-handed and don't know their own strength. They can pull a dog's tail or ears without meaning to and the dog feels the need to defend itself, often resulting in the dog lashing out in self-defence. 5. Your spelling, punctuation and overall grammar is f***ing abysmal.
Wall_ Arse, you need to reel back a bit and read the TRUE comments from witness's to the incident. You pompous ignoramus ..
[quote][p][bold]Wall_Ace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DEBBIE123A[/bold] wrote: I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day. my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl[/p][/quote]Few points: 1. I'm sceptical of your claims to be the mother of the child. 2. Your 4th point. He didn't take a dog that hadn't eaten for 2 weeks to a pub. Read the bloody article, the dog didn't eat for 2 weeks AFTER, that's A-F-T-E-R, AFTER the incident. 3. IF you are the child's parent, it was highly irresponsible of you to allow her to go near a strangers dog. All parents should tell children not to approach another dog unless the owner says it's safe. And the dog was tied up so don't tell us that it went for her. She would have to have got too close or provoked it in some way. 4. As a responsible dog owner myself, I don't let children near him unless their parents say it's fine, because in the past unruly children have hurt my dog unintentionally when petting it. Young children are heavy-handed and don't know their own strength. They can pull a dog's tail or ears without meaning to and the dog feels the need to defend itself, often resulting in the dog lashing out in self-defence. 5. Your spelling, punctuation and overall grammar is f***ing abysmal.[/p][/quote]Wall_ Arse, you need to reel back a bit and read the TRUE comments from witness's to the incident. You pompous ignoramus .. Ferngully
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6:16pm Mon 25 Oct 10

bigronthestaff says...

Wall_Ace wrote:
DEBBIE123A wrote: I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day. my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl
Few points: 1. I'm sceptical of your claims to be the mother of the child. 2. Your 4th point. He didn't take a dog that hadn't eaten for 2 weeks to a pub. Read the bloody article, the dog didn't eat for 2 weeks AFTER, that's A-F-T-E-R, AFTER the incident. 3. IF you are the child's parent, it was highly irresponsible of you to allow her to go near a strangers dog. All parents should tell children not to approach another dog unless the owner says it's safe. And the dog was tied up so don't tell us that it went for her. She would have to have got too close or provoked it in some way. 4. As a responsible dog owner myself, I don't let children near him unless their parents say it's fine, because in the past unruly children have hurt my dog unintentionally when petting it. Young children are heavy-handed and don't know their own strength. They can pull a dog's tail or ears without meaning to and the dog feels the need to defend itself, often resulting in the dog lashing out in self-defence. 5. Your spelling, punctuation and overall grammar is f***ing abysmal.
Wall-Ace, you are a braver man than I. When I read the above post, sceptical was one of the first words I thought of. Fair play to you for bringing it up.
[quote][p][bold]Wall_Ace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DEBBIE123A[/bold] wrote: I am very upset of some peoples comments i am the mother of the girl and u have not heard both sides to the issue. 1: The dog was tide to a pinic table by a lead and a chain attached to it. 2: my daughter never went to the dog the dog went for my daughter as i was watching her at all time. 3: the owner was very unsure about his own dog when we had spoken to him what does that tell u 4: why would a man bring a dog that has been hungry for 2 weeks to a carvery place and sit down with his girlfriend to eat a massive meal and not feed his dog and also watch his dog as he was very unsure as the dog had also try to go for some1 else earlier that day. my poor little girl used to love dogs and now i cant even walk in town with her as she is so affraid of dogs when she sees them. My daughter had to go to theatre 2 times and is scared for life we were told that the dog was inches from killing my daughter and all my daughter was doing is playing in a family pub garden :( i dont no what is wrong with most of these people as my daughter aint to blame and i dont understand the owner how he is trying to wriggle his way out of this as this dog in dangerous and could of killed my daughter and as for my daughter standing on the dogs tail i dont think so that dog went at my daughter and my girl was quite a distance away for this dangerous dog. This dog should be put to sleep before it does actually killed a little child i will fight for my little girl[/p][/quote]Few points: 1. I'm sceptical of your claims to be the mother of the child. 2. Your 4th point. He didn't take a dog that hadn't eaten for 2 weeks to a pub. Read the bloody article, the dog didn't eat for 2 weeks AFTER, that's A-F-T-E-R, AFTER the incident. 3. IF you are the child's parent, it was highly irresponsible of you to allow her to go near a strangers dog. All parents should tell children not to approach another dog unless the owner says it's safe. And the dog was tied up so don't tell us that it went for her. She would have to have got too close or provoked it in some way. 4. As a responsible dog owner myself, I don't let children near him unless their parents say it's fine, because in the past unruly children have hurt my dog unintentionally when petting it. Young children are heavy-handed and don't know their own strength. They can pull a dog's tail or ears without meaning to and the dog feels the need to defend itself, often resulting in the dog lashing out in self-defence. 5. Your spelling, punctuation and overall grammar is f***ing abysmal.[/p][/quote]Wall-Ace, you are a braver man than I. When I read the above post, sceptical was one of the first words I thought of. Fair play to you for bringing it up. bigronthestaff
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7:08pm Mon 25 Oct 10

markthemod says...

As a dog owner I'am fully aware of how children just walk/run up to my dog I only have a little westie that would lick you too death rather than bite. I also know that when the weather is hot and he is hot and bothered and flustered he just wants to be left alone and that i have to make sure i'm alert when kids even adults come up to him. dogs are like humans in that respect. I do feel sorry for the kid that got bit but to put this poor animal down is cruel would you want a child put down that bit another in a silly school fight etc cos that happens too. AS for the owner jail is too far a fine and terms put into place would be more appropriate. Also too end the article saidthe owner didnt feed the dog for 2 weeks as a punishment not 2 weeks before the accident.(a little cruel but hey)
As a dog owner I'am fully aware of how children just walk/run up to my dog I only have a little westie that would lick you too death rather than bite. I also know that when the weather is hot and he is hot and bothered and flustered he just wants to be left alone and that i have to make sure i'm alert when kids even adults come up to him. dogs are like humans in that respect. I do feel sorry for the kid that got bit but to put this poor animal down is cruel would you want a child put down that bit another in a silly school fight etc cos that happens too. AS for the owner jail is too far a fine and terms put into place would be more appropriate. Also too end the article saidthe owner didnt feed the dog for 2 weeks as a punishment not 2 weeks before the accident.(a little cruel but hey) markthemod
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9:45pm Mon 25 Oct 10

Peter Stewart says...

Once a dog attacks a person, the next attack is almost inevitable. Besides, being neutered at this late stage will NOT change his mentality as the thought patterns have already been formed. Sadly this dog is now a potential killer and must be put to sleep. What would the owners feel like if the dog KILLED a child?
Once a dog attacks a person, the next attack is almost inevitable. Besides, being neutered at this late stage will NOT change his mentality as the thought patterns have already been formed. Sadly this dog is now a potential killer and must be put to sleep. What would the owners feel like if the dog KILLED a child? Peter Stewart
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8:41pm Tue 26 Oct 10

Rax says...

Peter Stewart wrote:
Once a dog attacks a person, the next attack is almost inevitable. Besides, being neutered at this late stage will NOT change his mentality as the thought patterns have already been formed. Sadly this dog is now a potential killer and must be put to sleep. What would the owners feel like if the dog KILLED a child?
Cobblers, frankly.

I think you have them confused with sharks.
[quote][p][bold]Peter Stewart[/bold] wrote: Once a dog attacks a person, the next attack is almost inevitable. Besides, being neutered at this late stage will NOT change his mentality as the thought patterns have already been formed. Sadly this dog is now a potential killer and must be put to sleep. What would the owners feel like if the dog KILLED a child?[/p][/quote]Cobblers, frankly. I think you have them confused with sharks. Rax
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11:31am Thu 28 Oct 10

stephaniel90 says...

The kids parents should be at fault. I have two rhodesians and stupid **** kids always come running up towards me. I have yelled at them to stop and get (treat them like animals because they behave worse then animals) and then the parents get angry because yo uwon't let their darling brats touch your dog. Put the kid and the parents down first.

Also, the dog never ate for two weeks after this. Not the owner didn't feed it. Stupid bunch or idiots. Read. English is your first language?
The kids parents should be at fault. I have two rhodesians and stupid **** kids always come running up towards me. I have yelled at them to stop and get (treat them like animals because they behave worse then animals) and then the parents get angry because yo uwon't let their darling brats touch your dog. Put the kid and the parents down first. Also, the dog never ate for two weeks after this. Not the owner didn't feed it. Stupid bunch or idiots. Read. English is your first language? stephaniel90
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3:03am Fri 29 Oct 10

Ferngully says...

stephaniel90 wrote:
The kids parents should be at fault. I have two rhodesians and stupid **** kids always come running up towards me. I have yelled at them to stop and get (treat them like animals because they behave worse then animals) and then the parents get angry because yo uwon't let their darling brats touch your dog. Put the kid and the parents down first. Also, the dog never ate for two weeks after this. Not the owner didn't feed it. Stupid bunch or idiots. Read. English is your first language?
You are talking out of your arse ... Oooops forgot, you fat yanks call that f@nny dont you ?
[quote][p][bold]stephaniel90[/bold] wrote: The kids parents should be at fault. I have two rhodesians and stupid **** kids always come running up towards me. I have yelled at them to stop and get (treat them like animals because they behave worse then animals) and then the parents get angry because yo uwon't let their darling brats touch your dog. Put the kid and the parents down first. Also, the dog never ate for two weeks after this. Not the owner didn't feed it. Stupid bunch or idiots. Read. English is your first language?[/p][/quote]You are talking out of your arse ... Oooops forgot, you fat yanks call that f@nny dont you ? Ferngully
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