Southampton 's East Street Shopping Centre to be replaced by Morrisons supermarket

Daily Echo: East Street Centre to be bulldozed East Street Centre to be bulldozed

A SOUTHAMPTON shopping mall is to be demolished to make way for a flagship supermarket, the Daily Echo can reveal.

East Street shopping centre will be bulldozed and replaced with a giant Morrisons that will create 400 jobs and bring thousands of shoppers into the city. The new three-storey building will also restore a pedestrian link from St Mary’s to the retail centre.

The proposals, by property firm Arcadian Estates, to redevelop the 6,430 square metre site have been welcomed by Southampton City Council.

Council leader Royston Smith said: “This is great news. It will bring life to the area and 400 vital jobs to the city.

“One of our key requirements was to open up the link between St. Mary’s and the city centre, which is incorporated in Arcadian’s plans. This will create a higher footfall and ultimately bring more business to the whole area.”

Morrisons is already under contract to lease the new store, which is due to open in late 2013 or early 2014.

Morrisons boss Peter Foy said: “This is a great opportunity for Morrisons as we grow nationwide. We are extremely keen to open more stores in the region. We operate at the heart of many communities and are looking forward to helping regenerate the area by bringing our full offer, incorporating Morrisons unique Market Street format of fresh food counters, excellent service and great value to East Street.”

The development will also include the provision of surface level parking for the Capital House office block, which will be refurbished during a subsequent phase of the overall project.

The East Street Shopping Centre, just minutes from Southampton High Street, was originally built during the 1970s. Once popular it has dwindled in recent years until it contained just a couple of businesses.

Many of the best known stores have opted for the newer malls such as Ocean Village, then the Bargate, later the Marlands and now WestQuay.

Southampton City Council owns the freehold and Arcadian Estates, part of the London & Henley Property Group, owns the long leasehold of the site.

John De Stefano, chairman of London & Henley, said: “London & Henley has been a long-term investor in Southampton and, in partnership with the city council, we are delighted to be able to bring an exciting new project to a much-needed area of the city.”

Urban regeneration specialist Centros will design the food store scheme which will include two floors of car parking above the new.

Development director David Lewis said: “The East Street area is sorely in need of regeneration and we believe that recreating an open streetscape and providing a strong and complementary retail attraction at the St Mary’s end of the street is a solution that will successfully create a new eastern gateway, help to transform this part of the city centre and stimulate further regeneration.”

A planning application is expected to be submitted later this year with construction work due to begin in 2012.

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8:18am Thu 24 Mar 11

St Retford says...

Supermarkets don't create jobs - they destroy them. The way local newspapers swallow the press releases put out by big business and champion their interests over those of the general public is a real problem in this country.
Supermarkets don't create jobs - they destroy them. The way local newspapers swallow the press releases put out by big business and champion their interests over those of the general public is a real problem in this country. St Retford
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8:19am Thu 24 Mar 11

gazdance says...

Good. East Street mall has been an eyesore for many years. A new supermarket will be a welcome addition to this end of the city what with all the student halls and many flats that have been built in recent years.
Good. East Street mall has been an eyesore for many years. A new supermarket will be a welcome addition to this end of the city what with all the student halls and many flats that have been built in recent years. gazdance
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8:42am Thu 24 Mar 11

GoodnessGraciousMe says...

Thank goodness for that. I understand the owners of the centre have wanted to get shot for some time (and who can blame them), but the council own the car park on top of it and wouldn't let them tear it down.....(could be wrong of course)
Thank goodness for that. I understand the owners of the centre have wanted to get shot for some time (and who can blame them), but the council own the car park on top of it and wouldn't let them tear it down.....(could be wrong of course) GoodnessGraciousMe
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8:44am Thu 24 Mar 11

Militant Ford Worker says...

St Retford wrote:
Supermarkets don't create jobs - they destroy them. The way local newspapers swallow the press releases put out by big business and champion their interests over those of the general public is a real problem in this country.
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[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Supermarkets don't create jobs - they destroy them. The way local newspapers swallow the press releases put out by big business and champion their interests over those of the general public is a real problem in this country.[/p][/quote]+1 Militant Ford Worker
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9:04am Thu 24 Mar 11

Just another reader says...

Weird that only a few years ago Safeways closed their supermarket that was only a few yards away due to lack of trade. I have to say good luck to Morrisons, it will be good to see what has become a run down shell of an arcade put to good use again, and offer 400 new jobs, hopefully to local people.
Weird that only a few years ago Safeways closed their supermarket that was only a few yards away due to lack of trade. I have to say good luck to Morrisons, it will be good to see what has become a run down shell of an arcade put to good use again, and offer 400 new jobs, hopefully to local people. Just another reader
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9:22am Thu 24 Mar 11

SpittingFire says...

St Retford wrote:
Supermarkets don't create jobs - they destroy them. The way local newspapers swallow the press releases put out by big business and champion their interests over those of the general public is a real problem in this country.
The last time I went in there I had the shock of my life when I saw that garish colour scheme and felt that eerie atmosphere.
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And Excellent post Retford. The Echo's Eastleigh Chief Reporter also spends his time stalking his local citizen journalist site, the Eastleigh News, hungrily awaiting their next story he can pick up on! There's no integrity anymore.
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A paper such as as this, (to coin a phrase from Royston yesterday), are in their "death throes" now, thanks to the efforts of hyperlocals with their free, independent news.
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This store will "bring thousands of shoppers into the city" - Silly Simon!
Seriously! Are you really going to come on down just to shop at this Morrisons? I know your favourite food store to peruse over is the Tesco totty! ;)
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Supermarkets don't create jobs - they destroy them. The way local newspapers swallow the press releases put out by big business and champion their interests over those of the general public is a real problem in this country.[/p][/quote]The last time I went in there I had the shock of my life when I saw that garish colour scheme and felt that eerie atmosphere. . And Excellent post Retford. The Echo's Eastleigh Chief Reporter also spends his time stalking his local citizen journalist site, the Eastleigh News, hungrily awaiting their next story he can pick up on! There's no integrity anymore. . A paper such as as this, (to coin a phrase from Royston yesterday), are in their "death throes" now, thanks to the efforts of hyperlocals with their free, independent news. . This store will "bring thousands of shoppers into the city" - Silly Simon! Seriously! Are you really going to come on down just to shop at this Morrisons? I know your favourite food store to peruse over is the Tesco totty! ;) SpittingFire
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9:39am Thu 24 Mar 11

Elgy says...

Good news, but old news. The demolishing of East Street and apparently DEBENHAMS to make way for another massive shopping centre was announced by this paper months ago. But what will be happening to the shops currently down that end of East Street, the gay sauna and the wonderfully unkempt Anchor public house? Will East Street once again be able to run all the way through to Evans Street without interruption? What exactly is being kept and what isn't? Still, a good opportunity to redevelop a slightly shady area.
Good news, but old news. The demolishing of East Street and apparently DEBENHAMS to make way for another massive shopping centre was announced by this paper months ago. But what will be happening to the shops currently down that end of East Street, the gay sauna and the wonderfully unkempt Anchor public house? Will East Street once again be able to run all the way through to Evans Street without interruption? What exactly is being kept and what isn't? Still, a good opportunity to redevelop a slightly shady area. Elgy
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9:45am Thu 24 Mar 11

MSK says...

YEAH!!! At long last - I wondered if that dump of a building had a preservation order on it, like the Tricorn Centre in Portsmouth had. Well done everyone involved for attempting to revive one of the worst areas of Southampton. Supermarkets do create jobs ...how many people will go to this supermarket who never went to East Street Shopping Centre? Lots and lots. Well done Southampton.
YEAH!!! At long last - I wondered if that dump of a building had a preservation order on it, like the Tricorn Centre in Portsmouth had. Well done everyone involved for attempting to revive one of the worst areas of Southampton. Supermarkets do create jobs ...how many people will go to this supermarket who never went to East Street Shopping Centre? Lots and lots. Well done Southampton. MSK
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9:49am Thu 24 Mar 11

StEmmosfire says...

What ever went there has to be better than the current shopping centre. The only good shop that was there was the music store and since that went there wasnt much left.
What ever went there has to be better than the current shopping centre. The only good shop that was there was the music store and since that went there wasnt much left. StEmmosfire
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9:54am Thu 24 Mar 11

Huffybear says...

For a city the size of Southampton, we've got an Asda right at the top and a Tesco (ripoff) Express. Morrisons will be very welcome indeed for the bottom end of the City and will provide more business for East Street. About time!!
For a city the size of Southampton, we've got an Asda right at the top and a Tesco (ripoff) Express. Morrisons will be very welcome indeed for the bottom end of the City and will provide more business for East Street. About time!! Huffybear
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10:01am Thu 24 Mar 11

waggers5 says...

The only reason East Street is struggling is because the council saw fit to build West Quay. As soon as West Quay opened, half the shops in the high street, Marlands and East Street closed down or moved into the new centre.

The council are fortunate that Morrisons are coming in to rescue them from their bad planning - but a supermarket on that site could kill the trade on East Street itself and in St Mary's.
The only reason East Street is struggling is because the council saw fit to build West Quay. As soon as West Quay opened, half the shops in the high street, Marlands and East Street closed down or moved into the new centre. The council are fortunate that Morrisons are coming in to rescue them from their bad planning - but a supermarket on that site could kill the trade on East Street itself and in St Mary's. waggers5
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10:08am Thu 24 Mar 11

G0Rf says...

The only problem is though......you'd never get your frozen food home before it thawed out with all the traffic!

I dont think this is the best place for a morrisons!
The only problem is though......you'd never get your frozen food home before it thawed out with all the traffic! I dont think this is the best place for a morrisons! G0Rf
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10:41am Thu 24 Mar 11

Whitters says...

The last time I went anywhere near the centre was when I walked through it to the Digital Village out the otherside. It was strange how it could be left to be so quiet and unassuming then considering what the asking price could be for rent.
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I don't think that a supermarket is the answer though. Its in a quite remote area compared to the rest of Southampton's city centre retail and I wonder if something more niche would be of benefit or even an indoor market setup (like Chichester or Cardiff for example) for butchery, local produce, etc.
The last time I went anywhere near the centre was when I walked through it to the Digital Village out the otherside. It was strange how it could be left to be so quiet and unassuming then considering what the asking price could be for rent. . I don't think that a supermarket is the answer though. Its in a quite remote area compared to the rest of Southampton's city centre retail and I wonder if something more niche would be of benefit or even an indoor market setup (like Chichester or Cardiff for example) for butchery, local produce, etc. Whitters
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10:51am Thu 24 Mar 11

southy says...

Just another reader wrote:
Weird that only a few years ago Safeways closed their supermarket that was only a few yards away due to lack of trade. I have to say good luck to Morrisons, it will be good to see what has become a run down shell of an arcade put to good use again, and offer 400 new jobs, hopefully to local people.
even more weird is that safeway,s and morrisons is one in the same company.
[quote][p][bold]Just another reader[/bold] wrote: Weird that only a few years ago Safeways closed their supermarket that was only a few yards away due to lack of trade. I have to say good luck to Morrisons, it will be good to see what has become a run down shell of an arcade put to good use again, and offer 400 new jobs, hopefully to local people.[/p][/quote]even more weird is that safeway,s and morrisons is one in the same company. southy
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10:53am Thu 24 Mar 11

southy says...

what is needed is small independent shops, it creates more jobs than a supermarket.


oh spitfire did you get my answer last night, and did it explain it enough how it works.
what is needed is small independent shops, it creates more jobs than a supermarket. oh spitfire did you get my answer last night, and did it explain it enough how it works. southy
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10:55am Thu 24 Mar 11

allsaintsnocurves says...

waggers5 wrote:
The only reason East Street is struggling is because the council saw fit to build West Quay. As soon as West Quay opened, half the shops in the high street, Marlands and East Street closed down or moved into the new centre. The council are fortunate that Morrisons are coming in to rescue them from their bad planning - but a supermarket on that site could kill the trade on East Street itself and in St Mary's.
I totally agree...if only West Quay hadn't been built then East Street shopping centre with it's lovely architectural design could have prospered! hmm...

The original story to demolish Debenhams was made a while ago but will be converted into offices and apartments. Debenhams is then said to be moving to the Bargate which is the next mall to be knocked down...and will probably get the same response about the effects of West Quay...Southampton needs to make these changes tho to bring new life to the city.

The size of this Morrisons will attract people to the area and therefore, improve other businesses so East Street is likely to benefit in the long run from increased numbers of people.
[quote][p][bold]waggers5[/bold] wrote: The only reason East Street is struggling is because the council saw fit to build West Quay. As soon as West Quay opened, half the shops in the high street, Marlands and East Street closed down or moved into the new centre. The council are fortunate that Morrisons are coming in to rescue them from their bad planning - but a supermarket on that site could kill the trade on East Street itself and in St Mary's.[/p][/quote]I totally agree...if only West Quay hadn't been built then East Street shopping centre with it's lovely architectural design could have prospered! hmm... The original story to demolish Debenhams was made a while ago but will be converted into offices and apartments. Debenhams is then said to be moving to the Bargate which is the next mall to be knocked down...and will probably get the same response about the effects of West Quay...Southampton needs to make these changes tho to bring new life to the city. The size of this Morrisons will attract people to the area and therefore, improve other businesses so East Street is likely to benefit in the long run from increased numbers of people. allsaintsnocurves
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11:05am Thu 24 Mar 11

fraggled says...

Sounds like an excellent plan. East Street shopping centre has been a waste of space for many years and to see it transform in to a decent supermarket will be fantastic. Jobs will be created (for the building work and to staff the new store), it will attract more people to the area which in turn increases trade locally, and it will cease being an eyesore!
Sounds like an excellent plan. East Street shopping centre has been a waste of space for many years and to see it transform in to a decent supermarket will be fantastic. Jobs will be created (for the building work and to staff the new store), it will attract more people to the area which in turn increases trade locally, and it will cease being an eyesore! fraggled
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11:05am Thu 24 Mar 11

mazzasaint says...

i'ts great news for those of us that live in town. Morrisons is the best supermarket and will make a welcome change from Asda.
i'ts great news for those of us that live in town. Morrisons is the best supermarket and will make a welcome change from Asda. mazzasaint
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11:08am Thu 24 Mar 11

DCM says...

Whitters wrote:
The last time I went anywhere near the centre was when I walked through it to the Digital Village out the otherside. It was strange how it could be left to be so quiet and unassuming then considering what the asking price could be for rent. . I don't think that a supermarket is the answer though. Its in a quite remote area compared to the rest of Southampton's city centre retail and I wonder if something more niche would be of benefit or even an indoor market setup (like Chichester or Cardiff for example) for butchery, local produce, etc.
That's a very good idea - to have an indoor maket area would be hugely beneficial for the area, for local traders and would give us, as a city, something different.
The problem I suspect is that it would require investment to either knock down what's there or convert it. I can't see how a developer could make a profit from that and there's no public funding available.
[quote][p][bold]Whitters[/bold] wrote: The last time I went anywhere near the centre was when I walked through it to the Digital Village out the otherside. It was strange how it could be left to be so quiet and unassuming then considering what the asking price could be for rent. . I don't think that a supermarket is the answer though. Its in a quite remote area compared to the rest of Southampton's city centre retail and I wonder if something more niche would be of benefit or even an indoor market setup (like Chichester or Cardiff for example) for butchery, local produce, etc.[/p][/quote]That's a very good idea - to have an indoor maket area would be hugely beneficial for the area, for local traders and would give us, as a city, something different. The problem I suspect is that it would require investment to either knock down what's there or convert it. I can't see how a developer could make a profit from that and there's no public funding available. DCM
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11:14am Thu 24 Mar 11

southy says...

DCM wrote:
Whitters wrote:
The last time I went anywhere near the centre was when I walked through it to the Digital Village out the otherside. It was strange how it could be left to be so quiet and unassuming then considering what the asking price could be for rent. . I don't think that a supermarket is the answer though. Its in a quite remote area compared to the rest of Southampton's city centre retail and I wonder if something more niche would be of benefit or even an indoor market setup (like Chichester or Cardiff for example) for butchery, local produce, etc.
That's a very good idea - to have an indoor maket area would be hugely beneficial for the area, for local traders and would give us, as a city, something different.
The problem I suspect is that it would require investment to either knock down what's there or convert it. I can't see how a developer could make a profit from that and there's no public funding available.
you mean some thing base on heck i forgotten its name now, but it was an indoor market built in the victorian times in london and still going strong today.
[quote][p][bold]DCM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whitters[/bold] wrote: The last time I went anywhere near the centre was when I walked through it to the Digital Village out the otherside. It was strange how it could be left to be so quiet and unassuming then considering what the asking price could be for rent. . I don't think that a supermarket is the answer though. Its in a quite remote area compared to the rest of Southampton's city centre retail and I wonder if something more niche would be of benefit or even an indoor market setup (like Chichester or Cardiff for example) for butchery, local produce, etc.[/p][/quote]That's a very good idea - to have an indoor maket area would be hugely beneficial for the area, for local traders and would give us, as a city, something different. The problem I suspect is that it would require investment to either knock down what's there or convert it. I can't see how a developer could make a profit from that and there's no public funding available.[/p][/quote]you mean some thing base on heck i forgotten its name now, but it was an indoor market built in the victorian times in london and still going strong today. southy
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11:32am Thu 24 Mar 11

solent.student says...

Ok it's great to here East street is being demolished.

But do we really need another large supermarket in the city centre? When Asda is only a 10 minute walk away.
Ok it's great to here East street is being demolished. But do we really need another large supermarket in the city centre? When Asda is only a 10 minute walk away. solent.student
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11:39am Thu 24 Mar 11

B. L. says...

Southy said "you mean some thing base on heck i forgotten its name now, but it was an indoor market built in the victorian times in london and still going strong today."

Leadenhall ? Although it was there before Victorian times.
Southy said "you mean some thing base on heck i forgotten its name now, but it was an indoor market built in the victorian times in london and still going strong today." Leadenhall ? Although it was there before Victorian times. B. L.
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11:41am Thu 24 Mar 11

mummsie says...

At long last, this cold and dreary eye sore with be disappearing from East Street. Asda will still be my domain as the buses are so much nearer to get my bags of shopping on the bus!
At long last, this cold and dreary eye sore with be disappearing from East Street. Asda will still be my domain as the buses are so much nearer to get my bags of shopping on the bus! mummsie
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11:44am Thu 24 Mar 11

southy says...

B. L. wrote:
Southy said "you mean some thing base on heck i forgotten its name now, but it was an indoor market built in the victorian times in london and still going strong today."

Leadenhall ? Although it was there before Victorian times.
that,s the one BL thanks, true it was there before victorian times, but had no roof cover, the roof cover was added in the victorian times.
[quote][p][bold]B. L.[/bold] wrote: Southy said "you mean some thing base on heck i forgotten its name now, but it was an indoor market built in the victorian times in london and still going strong today." Leadenhall ? Although it was there before Victorian times.[/p][/quote]that,s the one BL thanks, true it was there before victorian times, but had no roof cover, the roof cover was added in the victorian times. southy
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12:15pm Thu 24 Mar 11

wilson castaway says...

The best thing about east street shoppng centre is that hole in the wall!! I used to play in that as a kid and my sons have also climbed through
The best thing about east street shoppng centre is that hole in the wall!! I used to play in that as a kid and my sons have also climbed through wilson castaway
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12:34pm Thu 24 Mar 11

dolomiteman says...

Building a large sypermarket in the centre of a busy city is not the way to keep traffic out of the area, where are all the extra cars going to queue whilst waiting to park and what route will be used for cars leaving the car park?
Building a large sypermarket in the centre of a busy city is not the way to keep traffic out of the area, where are all the extra cars going to queue whilst waiting to park and what route will be used for cars leaving the car park? dolomiteman
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1:42pm Thu 24 Mar 11

soton1980 says...

Good news in my opinion, East Street Shopping Centre has been dead for most of the past decade (well past 'struggling'). Whilst I'm not sure about having a supermarket as a replacement, anything is an improvement on what's there at the moment. This was starting to become Southampton's Tricorn Centre.
Good news in my opinion, East Street Shopping Centre has been dead for most of the past decade (well past 'struggling'). Whilst I'm not sure about having a supermarket as a replacement, anything is an improvement on what's there at the moment. This was starting to become Southampton's Tricorn Centre. soton1980
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1:47pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Wasserstoftsbombe says...

southy wrote:
what is needed is small independent shops, it creates more jobs than a supermarket. oh spitfire did you get my answer last night, and did it explain it enough how it works.
Actions speak louder than words - when do you open your shop, Southy?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: what is needed is small independent shops, it creates more jobs than a supermarket. oh spitfire did you get my answer last night, and did it explain it enough how it works.[/p][/quote]Actions speak louder than words - when do you open your shop, Southy? Wasserstoftsbombe
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3:36pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Irate Wintonian says...

SpittingFire - "Seriously! Are you really going to come on down just to shop at this Morrison's?"

Yes! I will go purely for that reason. The nearest other Morrisons' are either Totton, Portsmouth or Basingstoke.
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To have a Morrison's in Southampton will be very welcome in my opinion. It will allow shoppers the full range of supermarkets.
SpittingFire - "Seriously! Are you really going to come on down just to shop at this Morrison's?" Yes! I will go purely for that reason. The nearest other Morrisons' are either Totton, Portsmouth or Basingstoke. . To have a Morrison's in Southampton will be very welcome in my opinion. It will allow shoppers the full range of supermarkets. Irate Wintonian
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3:42pm Thu 24 Mar 11

OV Resident says...

This is all great and all, East Street Shopping Centre desperately needs to go. But Morrisons? Really?! Don't we have the cheaper end of the market covered in town already with Asda and Lidl? Can't we have something a bit more, well, nicer - like Sainsbury's or, heaven forbid, a Waitrose?
This is all great and all, East Street Shopping Centre desperately needs to go. But Morrisons? Really?! Don't we have the cheaper end of the market covered in town already with Asda and Lidl? Can't we have something a bit more, well, nicer - like Sainsbury's or, heaven forbid, a Waitrose? OV Resident
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3:53pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Perroman says...

How many of us aged club-goers have walked through there and thought, 'This would make a wicked night club'?
How many of us aged club-goers have walked through there and thought, 'This would make a wicked night club'? Perroman
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4:06pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Northamboy says...

East street shopping centre has never been fully occupied since it opened. Good riddance to an eyesore that should never have been built.
East street shopping centre has never been fully occupied since it opened. Good riddance to an eyesore that should never have been built. Northamboy
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4:16pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Perroman says...

What part of town are we supposed to be viewing the initial artist’s sketch of the new Morrisons store from?
What part of town are we supposed to be viewing the initial artist’s sketch of the new Morrisons store from? Perroman
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4:47pm Thu 24 Mar 11

10 Minute Man says...

East Street has been down-at-heel since the early 90s, way before the demolition of Thursdays night club and all the other gems replaced by West Quay...

Still, Tandy is greatly missed !
East Street has been down-at-heel since the early 90s, way before the demolition of Thursdays night club and all the other gems replaced by West Quay... Still, Tandy is greatly missed ! 10 Minute Man
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6:53pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Maybush Lad says...

Wasn't there talk about them knocking down the Bargate shopping centre last year as well? Wonder if that's still going ahead!?
Wasn't there talk about them knocking down the Bargate shopping centre last year as well? Wonder if that's still going ahead!? Maybush Lad
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8:03pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Markmag says...

Maybush Lad wrote:
Wasn't there talk about them knocking down the Bargate shopping centre last year as well? Wonder if that's still going ahead!?
Bargate shopping centre was sold to Parkridge in 2008. Since then it's clear the centre's been run down - one floor is almost empty and last time I was in there half the lights were off and people were cycling through it while one security guard seemed a token effort. The story about being knocked down and turned into a precinct with a Debenhams anchor store came out in 09 - but last year it appeared this had been dropped:

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"He says that plans for the Bargate Centre to be demolished and replaced by a giant new Debenhams are now remote, with five or ten-year leases available for shops inside.

“In the Bargate Centre, which contrary to recent reports is not about to be demolished, there have been a spate of recent lettings,” he said.

“Lucid have expanded their jewellery operation with a body-piercing unit and Guardian Jewellery buy your excess gold. The 4,000 sq ft Titanic exhibition in Unit 30 opens on April 16 and is sure to attract a lot of visitors, while adjacent, Living Oasis have taken over the former Wesley Owen Christian bookshop. Four existing tenants have just renewed their leases and two further units are under offer."
[quote][p][bold]Maybush Lad[/bold] wrote: Wasn't there talk about them knocking down the Bargate shopping centre last year as well? Wonder if that's still going ahead!?[/p][/quote]Bargate shopping centre was sold to Parkridge in 2008. Since then it's clear the centre's been run down - one floor is almost empty and last time I was in there half the lights were off and people were cycling through it while one security guard seemed a token effort. The story about being knocked down and turned into a precinct with a Debenhams anchor store came out in 09 - but last year it appeared this had been dropped: http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/business/8103 725.Interest_soars_i n_vacant_Southampton _shop_sites/ "He says that plans for the Bargate Centre to be demolished and replaced by a giant new Debenhams are now remote, with five or ten-year leases available for shops inside. “In the Bargate Centre, which contrary to recent reports is not about to be demolished, there have been a spate of recent lettings,” he said. “Lucid have expanded their jewellery operation with a body-piercing unit and Guardian Jewellery buy your excess gold. The 4,000 sq ft Titanic exhibition in Unit 30 opens on April 16 and is sure to attract a lot of visitors, while adjacent, Living Oasis have taken over the former Wesley Owen Christian bookshop. Four existing tenants have just renewed their leases and two further units are under offer." Markmag
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8:25pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Minger1 says...

I haven't been in East street shopping centre for years, really since my kids were little and they have all grown and left home now,
I was wishing for a Morrisons in Southampton as i cannot get to the one past Totton as do not have a car at the moment, i do a very big shop now and again and get taxi's home, i don't like a lot of Asda's shopping, and Sainsbury's has got really expensive, so it would be a nice change also i can do my town shopping in Primark e.t.c at the same time.
I haven't been in East street shopping centre for years, really since my kids were little and they have all grown and left home now, I was wishing for a Morrisons in Southampton as i cannot get to the one past Totton as do not have a car at the moment, i do a very big shop now and again and get taxi's home, i don't like a lot of Asda's shopping, and Sainsbury's has got really expensive, so it would be a nice change also i can do my town shopping in Primark e.t.c at the same time. Minger1
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8:31pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Maybush Lad says...

Markmag wrote:
Maybush Lad wrote: Wasn't there talk about them knocking down the Bargate shopping centre last year as well? Wonder if that's still going ahead!?
Bargate shopping centre was sold to Parkridge in 2008. Since then it's clear the centre's been run down - one floor is almost empty and last time I was in there half the lights were off and people were cycling through it while one security guard seemed a token effort. The story about being knocked down and turned into a precinct with a Debenhams anchor store came out in 09 - but last year it appeared this had been dropped: http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/business/8103 725.Interest_soars_i n_vacant_Southampton _shop_sites/ "He says that plans for the Bargate Centre to be demolished and replaced by a giant new Debenhams are now remote, with five or ten-year leases available for shops inside. “In the Bargate Centre, which contrary to recent reports is not about to be demolished, there have been a spate of recent lettings,” he said. “Lucid have expanded their jewellery operation with a body-piercing unit and Guardian Jewellery buy your excess gold. The 4,000 sq ft Titanic exhibition in Unit 30 opens on April 16 and is sure to attract a lot of visitors, while adjacent, Living Oasis have taken over the former Wesley Owen Christian bookshop. Four existing tenants have just renewed their leases and two further units are under offer."
Seems a bit strange to me that anyone would be interested in leasing anything in the Bargate since, as you say, it's practically dead in there now. I suppose the location might attract some interest though since it's close to the Bargate monument.
Shame really, there used to be some good shops in there when I was a kid, and a young adult.
[quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maybush Lad[/bold] wrote: Wasn't there talk about them knocking down the Bargate shopping centre last year as well? Wonder if that's still going ahead!?[/p][/quote]Bargate shopping centre was sold to Parkridge in 2008. Since then it's clear the centre's been run down - one floor is almost empty and last time I was in there half the lights were off and people were cycling through it while one security guard seemed a token effort. The story about being knocked down and turned into a precinct with a Debenhams anchor store came out in 09 - but last year it appeared this had been dropped: http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/business/8103 725.Interest_soars_i n_vacant_Southampton _shop_sites/ "He says that plans for the Bargate Centre to be demolished and replaced by a giant new Debenhams are now remote, with five or ten-year leases available for shops inside. “In the Bargate Centre, which contrary to recent reports is not about to be demolished, there have been a spate of recent lettings,” he said. “Lucid have expanded their jewellery operation with a body-piercing unit and Guardian Jewellery buy your excess gold. The 4,000 sq ft Titanic exhibition in Unit 30 opens on April 16 and is sure to attract a lot of visitors, while adjacent, Living Oasis have taken over the former Wesley Owen Christian bookshop. Four existing tenants have just renewed their leases and two further units are under offer."[/p][/quote]Seems a bit strange to me that anyone would be interested in leasing anything in the Bargate since, as you say, it's practically dead in there now. I suppose the location might attract some interest though since it's close to the Bargate monument. Shame really, there used to be some good shops in there when I was a kid, and a young adult. Maybush Lad
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9:24pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Donald2000 says...

Its high time something was done to get rid of the Eyesore that is the East Street Shopping Centre and a chance to get rid of the kids who skateboard within it. I feel sure that Morrisons will be a welcome addition to retailing within the city and the poor blighters who currently have to shop in the sewer that is St Mary Street will at last have some real choice.
Its high time something was done to get rid of the Eyesore that is the East Street Shopping Centre and a chance to get rid of the kids who skateboard within it. I feel sure that Morrisons will be a welcome addition to retailing within the city and the poor blighters who currently have to shop in the sewer that is St Mary Street will at last have some real choice. Donald2000
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9:30pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Scrutinizer says...

Sadly the East Street shopping centre simply has not been anywhere near the success the planners hoped it would be. They never did fill all the units in there. However in it's early days I used to frequently have some lunch in a nice little restaurant which was situated upstairs. Anyone else recall that place? It served some really nice, straightforward but well prepared hot and cold meals up there. I think originally it was run by a guy, and then a woman took the business over with the help of her daughters at weekends. That must be more than twenty years ago now! Then for some reason (maybe cost of the rates) that closed down. After a while a little snack cafe opened downstairs, which lasted for a few years, but I wasn't very impressed with it. I can't say many of the other businesses in there interested me much personally though. The centre did progressively become quite seedy, dirty and run down over the years, and I was eventually put off even sitting in there to read my newspaper in the end. I wish Morrisons success with their new store there. At least it's helping to keep that part of the city alive and as has been said previously on here, it's a convenient shopping facility for people who live in the area and will provide much needed work for some of them. But as far as small businesses are concerned, well it's the same old story, that many simply can't afford the rates being charged. It seems that there is still little encouragement for them to flourish in this country when the people charging them appear to be so greedy.
Sadly the East Street shopping centre simply has not been anywhere near the success the planners hoped it would be. They never did fill all the units in there. However in it's early days I used to frequently have some lunch in a nice little restaurant which was situated upstairs. Anyone else recall that place? It served some really nice, straightforward but well prepared hot and cold meals up there. I think originally it was run by a guy, and then a woman took the business over with the help of her daughters at weekends. That must be more than twenty years ago now! Then for some reason (maybe cost of the rates) that closed down. After a while a little snack cafe opened downstairs, which lasted for a few years, but I wasn't very impressed with it. I can't say many of the other businesses in there interested me much personally though. The centre did progressively become quite seedy, dirty and run down over the years, and I was eventually put off even sitting in there to read my newspaper in the end. I wish Morrisons success with their new store there. At least it's helping to keep that part of the city alive and as has been said previously on here, it's a convenient shopping facility for people who live in the area and will provide much needed work for some of them. But as far as small businesses are concerned, well it's the same old story, that many simply can't afford the rates being charged. It seems that there is still little encouragement for them to flourish in this country when the people charging them appear to be so greedy. Scrutinizer
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9:34pm Thu 24 Mar 11

loosehead says...

the echo states it will bring in more shoppers to the city,I hope they all come by bus! to the west you have Ikea & traffic backing up back down to Millbrook station all down to that store( maybe west quay as well) in the area of St.Mary's you have the football stadium & to put a large supermarket/supersto
re in that vicinity & with the traffic coming off the itchen bridge the congestion is going to be horrendous I don't think this is the right place for this sore & what about the small shops nearby? Bad decision
the echo states it will bring in more shoppers to the city,I hope they all come by bus! to the west you have Ikea & traffic backing up back down to Millbrook station all down to that store( maybe west quay as well) in the area of St.Mary's you have the football stadium & to put a large supermarket/supersto re in that vicinity & with the traffic coming off the itchen bridge the congestion is going to be horrendous I don't think this is the right place for this sore & what about the small shops nearby? Bad decision loosehead
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9:35pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Alf says...

Elgy wrote:
Good news, but old news. The demolishing of East Street and apparently DEBENHAMS to make way for another massive shopping centre was announced by this paper months ago. But what will be happening to the shops currently down that end of East Street, the gay sauna and the wonderfully unkempt Anchor public house? Will East Street once again be able to run all the way through to Evans Street without interruption? What exactly is being kept and what isn't? Still, a good opportunity to redevelop a slightly shady area.
Nothing in this article says about Debenhams being demolished, only East Street Centre, if it a shady area then where do you live!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Elgy[/bold] wrote: Good news, but old news. The demolishing of East Street and apparently DEBENHAMS to make way for another massive shopping centre was announced by this paper months ago. But what will be happening to the shops currently down that end of East Street, the gay sauna and the wonderfully unkempt Anchor public house? Will East Street once again be able to run all the way through to Evans Street without interruption? What exactly is being kept and what isn't? Still, a good opportunity to redevelop a slightly shady area.[/p][/quote]Nothing in this article says about Debenhams being demolished, only East Street Centre, if it a shady area then where do you live!!!!! Alf
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11:51pm Thu 24 Mar 11

John Sydenham says...

10 Minute Man wrote:
East Street has been down-at-heel since the early 90s, way before the demolition of Thursdays night club and all the other gems replaced by West Quay...

Still, Tandy is greatly missed !
There were few things in life more exciting than picking up the latest Radio Shack catalogue from Tandy. (Sadly the catalogue was usually more exciting than the products.)

Does anyone remember the Green Shield Stamp shop? I never quite worked out what it was for, and don't recall ever seeing anyone in there.
[quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: East Street has been down-at-heel since the early 90s, way before the demolition of Thursdays night club and all the other gems replaced by West Quay... Still, Tandy is greatly missed ![/p][/quote]There were few things in life more exciting than picking up the latest Radio Shack catalogue from Tandy. (Sadly the catalogue was usually more exciting than the products.) Does anyone remember the Green Shield Stamp shop? I never quite worked out what it was for, and don't recall ever seeing anyone in there. John Sydenham
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2:13am Fri 25 Mar 11

BrixtonSaint says...

I remember thinking it was the cutting edge but 1979 was a long time ago. A popular stop off point on the way to the BMX track on West Quay Rd each Sunday morning a few years later.
I shouldn't imagine a new Morrison's will draw people from the burbs to shop there but for inner city dwellers from student residences, the estates and those that paid well over market value for their apartments in town, a Morrison's will be a welcome addition to the shopping experience. And to those who say it's downmarket, apart from the flashy ranges sold by Tesco's and Sainsbury's you are only paying for the extra marketing effort to dupe people like you into thinking they are upscale from the rest. And isn't there a Waitrose in west Quay? I still think a proper market aka Kingsland Market of old is missing from the mix in the city centre. If the supermarkets can make good money from their value ranges with 'misshaped' carrots, peppers etc then surely there's a place for the traditional market stalls that were so popular when I was a kid.
I recently moved to Melbourne where the fresh food Victoria market thrives. My Dad who is visiting from Southampton is down there nigh on every day and bemoans the fact Kingsland is gone each time he goes.
I remember thinking it was the cutting edge but 1979 was a long time ago. A popular stop off point on the way to the BMX track on West Quay Rd each Sunday morning a few years later. I shouldn't imagine a new Morrison's will draw people from the burbs to shop there but for inner city dwellers from student residences, the estates and those that paid well over market value for their apartments in town, a Morrison's will be a welcome addition to the shopping experience. And to those who say it's downmarket, apart from the flashy ranges sold by Tesco's and Sainsbury's you are only paying for the extra marketing effort to dupe people like you into thinking they are upscale from the rest. And isn't there a Waitrose in west Quay? I still think a proper market aka Kingsland Market of old is missing from the mix in the city centre. If the supermarkets can make good money from their value ranges with 'misshaped' carrots, peppers etc then surely there's a place for the traditional market stalls that were so popular when I was a kid. I recently moved to Melbourne where the fresh food Victoria market thrives. My Dad who is visiting from Southampton is down there nigh on every day and bemoans the fact Kingsland is gone each time he goes. BrixtonSaint
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9:59am Fri 25 Mar 11

-stiv- says...

Great, more supermarkets just what we need. I wonder who's getting paid off in the council so that it's so easy to get another supermarket built. How about forcing businesses to build some community projects at least? Just take the cash and roll over.

I thought Eaststreet was about independent retailers? That didn't last long.

Southampton is already about 80% shops. All chains. An total cultural black hole where a vibrant city could be.

Think about what could go in that space if someone had a bit of a think about it and with a bit of planning.

Shops and roads. Shops and Roads. Shops and Roads.
Great, more supermarkets just what we need. I wonder who's getting paid off in the council so that it's so easy to get another supermarket built. How about forcing businesses to build some community projects at least? Just take the cash and roll over. I thought Eaststreet was about independent retailers? That didn't last long. Southampton is already about 80% shops. All chains. An total cultural black hole where a vibrant city could be. Think about what could go in that space if someone had a bit of a think about it and with a bit of planning. Shops and roads. Shops and Roads. Shops and Roads. -stiv-
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11:56am Fri 25 Mar 11

Scrutinizer says...

With reference to some of the comments by others; Regarding why have another supermarket in central Southampton when there is an ASDA nearby? Well staff service aside, which is ok, a lot of people I know in Totton have not been that impressed with them out here, including me! I mean for example, it's taken them years to actually bake some half decent bread! And they are notorious for frequently running short of items! But I remember some people saying, before Morrisons moved to Totton, things like "Oh isn't that the cheapo northern supermarket chain? I won't be shopping there." But actually most people I know now prefer Morrisons to ASDA. Their quality seems to be generally acknowleged as being pretty good. Also, it was a very disappointing day for me when Waitrose, which incidently has always been my personal favourite supermarket chain, moved out of the West Quay shopping centre to Portswood, as it's just that bit too inconvenient for me to get over that way. But although they sell excellent quality food, many people can't afford their prices. No, I strongly suspect Morrisons opening up a new store at the bottom end of East Street will be much appreciated by the local folk and bring some much needed life back to that part of town. Also, someone previously on here reminded me of the Tandy's shop which was situated in the East Street Shopping Centre. Actually they were quite handy for reasonably priced mid-range quality electrical items.
With reference to some of the comments by others; Regarding why have another supermarket in central Southampton when there is an ASDA nearby? Well staff service aside, which is ok, a lot of people I know in Totton have not been that impressed with them out here, including me! I mean for example, it's taken them years to actually bake some half decent bread! And they are notorious for frequently running short of items! But I remember some people saying, before Morrisons moved to Totton, things like "Oh isn't that the cheapo northern supermarket chain? I won't be shopping there." But actually most people I know now prefer Morrisons to ASDA. Their quality seems to be generally acknowleged as being pretty good. Also, it was a very disappointing day for me when Waitrose, which incidently has always been my personal favourite supermarket chain, moved out of the West Quay shopping centre to Portswood, as it's just that bit too inconvenient for me to get over that way. But although they sell excellent quality food, many people can't afford their prices. No, I strongly suspect Morrisons opening up a new store at the bottom end of East Street will be much appreciated by the local folk and bring some much needed life back to that part of town. Also, someone previously on here reminded me of the Tandy's shop which was situated in the East Street Shopping Centre. Actually they were quite handy for reasonably priced mid-range quality electrical items. Scrutinizer
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1:40pm Fri 25 Mar 11

wilson castaway says...

Bring back the half price jewelers!
Bring back the half price jewelers! wilson castaway
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2:12pm Fri 25 Mar 11

lowe esteem says...

If you haven't been to a Morrisons, then take a look, they do have good non-pretentious northern values and are certainly a step-up from Safeway, and we don't all like the others who tend to trade-off being top or bottom-end of the market. I think this will also be good for Debenhams, which is a good value, traditional, but somewhat neglected store. This could help footfall for some new and existing enterprises in East Street. It's also arguably the best value restaurant street in town-try Sam's, Georges etc. My only concern is with the traffic, but surely existing local car parking will be supplemented within this scheme? Talking of 'hole in the wall' anyone else feel like that's what you're doing when you step from Above Bar into West Quay? This manouvre makes me claustrophobic and is best avoided. The Green Shield Shop used to accept 'trading stamps' for goods and was like Argos with Nectar points-retail has always relied on some gimmicks.
Bring back Henry's Records, Jean Junction, Shirt King, Stone-Dri, Squires and the Doc Marten Shop near the Lord Louis! Anyone else want to join me on this ramble into the past? ret oocalf alli
If you haven't been to a Morrisons, then take a look, they do have good non-pretentious northern values and are certainly a step-up from Safeway, and we don't all like the others who tend to trade-off being top or bottom-end of the market. I think this will also be good for Debenhams, which is a good value, traditional, but somewhat neglected store. This could help footfall for some new and existing enterprises in East Street. It's also arguably the best value restaurant street in town-try Sam's, Georges etc. My only concern is with the traffic, but surely existing local car parking will be supplemented within this scheme? Talking of 'hole in the wall' anyone else feel like that's what you're doing when you step from Above Bar into West Quay? This manouvre makes me claustrophobic and is best avoided. The Green Shield Shop used to accept 'trading stamps' for goods and was like Argos with Nectar points-retail has always relied on some gimmicks. Bring back Henry's Records, Jean Junction, Shirt King, Stone-Dri, Squires and the Doc Marten Shop near the Lord Louis! Anyone else want to join me on this ramble into the past? ret oocalf alli lowe esteem
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4:30pm Fri 25 Mar 11

Scrutinizer says...

lowe esteem wrote:
If you haven't been to a Morrisons, then take a look, they do have good non-pretentious northern values and are certainly a step-up from Safeway, and we don't all like the others who tend to trade-off being top or bottom-end of the market. I think this will also be good for Debenhams, which is a good value, traditional, but somewhat neglected store. This could help footfall for some new and existing enterprises in East Street. It's also arguably the best value restaurant street in town-try Sam's, Georges etc. My only concern is with the traffic, but surely existing local car parking will be supplemented within this scheme? Talking of 'hole in the wall' anyone else feel like that's what you're doing when you step from Above Bar into West Quay? This manouvre makes me claustrophobic and is best avoided. The Green Shield Shop used to accept 'trading stamps' for goods and was like Argos with Nectar points-retail has always relied on some gimmicks. Bring back Henry's Records, Jean Junction, Shirt King, Stone-Dri, Squires and the Doc Marten Shop near the Lord Louis! Anyone else want to join me on this ramble into the past? ret oocalf alli
Yes, I'll join you on this one, lowe esteem! How about the Jack and Jill cafe which was situated on, the now defunct, Manchester Street, which as people will recall was on the south side of the old Hants and Dorset Bus Station. Unlike most places these days, at least you could get a freshly made, half decent cup o' tea there and a tasty, crusty cheese roll! Used to be taken in there as a kid on a Saturday before we went up the Dell! Oh and Subway Records and the er...Classic Cinema! Oh dear, slap wrists! Ok, I know, I'm going wa-y off topic now! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: If you haven't been to a Morrisons, then take a look, they do have good non-pretentious northern values and are certainly a step-up from Safeway, and we don't all like the others who tend to trade-off being top or bottom-end of the market. I think this will also be good for Debenhams, which is a good value, traditional, but somewhat neglected store. This could help footfall for some new and existing enterprises in East Street. It's also arguably the best value restaurant street in town-try Sam's, Georges etc. My only concern is with the traffic, but surely existing local car parking will be supplemented within this scheme? Talking of 'hole in the wall' anyone else feel like that's what you're doing when you step from Above Bar into West Quay? This manouvre makes me claustrophobic and is best avoided. The Green Shield Shop used to accept 'trading stamps' for goods and was like Argos with Nectar points-retail has always relied on some gimmicks. Bring back Henry's Records, Jean Junction, Shirt King, Stone-Dri, Squires and the Doc Marten Shop near the Lord Louis! Anyone else want to join me on this ramble into the past? ret oocalf alli[/p][/quote]Yes, I'll join you on this one, lowe esteem! How about the Jack and Jill cafe which was situated on, the now defunct, Manchester Street, which as people will recall was on the south side of the old Hants and Dorset Bus Station. Unlike most places these days, at least you could get a freshly made, half decent cup o' tea there and a tasty, crusty cheese roll! Used to be taken in there as a kid on a Saturday before we went up the Dell! Oh and Subway Records and the er...Classic Cinema! Oh dear, slap wrists! Ok, I know, I'm going wa-y off topic now! ;-) Scrutinizer
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6:12pm Fri 25 Mar 11

drakey says...

Yay!
Yay! drakey
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5:51pm Sat 26 Mar 11

John Sydenham says...

How about an ice rink...?
How about an ice rink...? John Sydenham
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