Salaries soar for uni bosses (From Daily Echo)

if they are "gauling" , then why doesn't the Union instruct their members to become Professors and then Vice Chancellors to re-dress the balance !?
There, I have sorted it. I have turned jealousy into opportunity with a few flick of the keys on the keyboard.

Sadly hypocrisy which has always been the trade mark of bosses of industry first got shared by our political class and now seem to have spread its wings even in the top layers of what used to be respectable intellectual class of academic world
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The fat cats of universities while pretending to plead poverty are not only reluctant to pay decent wage to the staff members, who actually do the hard work, these greedy layer of top class are also trying to over exploit students through immorally high fees
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This is simply disgraceful and should not be tolerated; otherwise the centres of intellectualism for which universities have always been respected will simply become just like other multinational companies or big corporations.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Sadly hypocrisy which has always been the trade mark of bosses of industry first got shared by our political class and now seem to have spread its wings even in the top layers of what used to be respectable intellectual class of academic world . The fat cats of universities while pretending to plead poverty are not only reluctant to pay decent wage to the staff members, who actually do the hard work, these greedy layer of top class are also trying to over exploit students through immorally high fees . This is simply disgraceful and should not be tolerated; otherwise the centres of intellectualism for which universities have always been respected will simply become just like other multinational companies or big corporations.

you are clearly ignorant of what people like VC Van Gore actually do. How is that you profess to be an expert on his career and what he is paid for. This country is full of whingers like you and jealous lazy union-needy slack-jaws who just would rather moan about other success instead of getting off their lazy backsides and going off to educate themselves and earn more.
If he is overpaid then how come another candidate for his position has not popped up recently and said : "hey , you know what , I will do his job for half that !" ??? Its because no one could. Do you know the ins and outs of his commitments, hosting requirements, travel etc etc NO YOU DONT..... so either go and ask him to get a better idea of what you are talking about or mind your own business when discussing someone else's salary. No offence. :-)

MGRA wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Sadly hypocrisy which has always been the trade mark of bosses of industry first got shared by our political class and now seem to have spread its wings even in the top layers of what used to be respectable intellectual class of academic world . The fat cats of universities while pretending to plead poverty are not only reluctant to pay decent wage to the staff members, who actually do the hard work, these greedy layer of top class are also trying to over exploit students through immorally high fees . This is simply disgraceful and should not be tolerated; otherwise the centres of intellectualism for which universities have always been respected will simply become just like other multinational companies or big corporations.

you are clearly ignorant of what people like VC Van Gore actually do. How is that you profess to be an expert on his career and what he is paid for. This country is full of whingers like you and jealous lazy union-needy slack-jaws who just would rather moan about other success instead of getting off their lazy backsides and going off to educate themselves and earn more.
If he is overpaid then how come another candidate for his position has not popped up recently and said : "hey , you know what , I will do his job for half that !" ??? Its because no one could. Do you know the ins and outs of his commitments, hosting requirements, travel etc etc NO YOU DONT..... so either go and ask him to get a better idea of what you are talking about or mind your own business when discussing someone else's salary. No offence. :-)

Bullseye.

The torrent of envy is quite overwhelming here sometimes.

This is what you get when you let the monkeys count the bananas.

I think the posts here are missing the point. Regardless of how much the VC gets paid or whether you could do the same for half as much or twice as much, the point is - where precisely do you think most of the money will come from?

The answer is from the debts that have to be run up by the youngsters who are invariably obliged to borrow tens of thousands of pounds in order to go to university.

The question you should be answering (and the government should be addressing) is - how is the money going to get repaid? The sums are not that difficult to comprehend but the government seems unable to work it out.

Here's a clue. It will take a working lifetime, more or less, in order to pay back the student loan and all the interest it incurs. Then the graduate will have to work for another working lifetime (more or less) in order to pay back a mortgage for a home. Sooner or later something will have to break. Either a number of universities, having overstretched themselves by paying their VC's and higher management vast sums of money, will go out of business or else the housing market will collapse because of lack of buyers.

If I was in the government and tasked with looking at the state of the country over the next decade or so, I would be seriously worried indeed.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Sadly hypocrisy which has always been the trade mark of bosses of industry first got shared by our political class and now seem to have spread its wings even in the top layers of what used to be respectable intellectual class of academic world
.
The fat cats of universities while pretending to plead poverty are not only reluctant to pay decent wage to the staff members, who actually do the hard work, these greedy layer of top class are also trying to over exploit students through immorally high fees
.
This is simply disgraceful and should not be tolerated; otherwise the centres of intellectualism for which universities have always been respected will simply become just like other multinational companies or big corporations.

unfortunately Paramjit that is exactly what Unis have become, especially those in the Russell Group to which Soton Uni belongs.

There is no way a VC's salary should be this high, and not forgetting that they get a chauffered car, plus a very nice house in Chilworth. VC's are also public sector and again these salaries have got out of control.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Sadly hypocrisy which has always been the trade mark of bosses of industry first got shared by our political class and now seem to have spread its wings even in the top layers of what used to be respectable intellectual class of academic world
.
The fat cats of universities while pretending to plead poverty are not only reluctant to pay decent wage to the staff members, who actually do the hard work, these greedy layer of top class are also trying to over exploit students through immorally high fees
.
This is simply disgraceful and should not be tolerated; otherwise the centres of intellectualism for which universities have always been respected will simply become just like other multinational companies or big corporations.

unfortunately Paramjit that is exactly what Unis have become, especially those in the Russell Group to which Soton Uni belongs.

There is no way a VC's salary should be this high, and not forgetting that they get a chauffered car, plus a very nice house in Chilworth. VC's are also public sector and again these salaries have got out of control.

I sigh with exasperation when I see posts of this kind, who are to decide who is being too much?

I think you might be being paid too much - although I don't know you are or have any inkling as to what you do, I'm just going to say it because I can.

There, it's easy, even I can do it.

Just because the economy is poor & the unions have lost all touch with reality, it doesn't mean there aren't jobs out there that need doing by highly qualified individual who work hard & do a good job.

Again, it all smacks of sheer envy unfortunately, trying to bring others down just because many other people are currently experiencing difficult times.

I'm sure they claim that they are worth it, Don in my experience is a poor orator, but he was selected more for his political connections, then the Con-Dem's got elected...
Lower down the University food chain they won't even pay 'market supplements' to the tradesmen who keep the very fabric of the place together, yet 'managers' who add little but cost do get it.
Still we, the workers, did get a 0.4% pay rise last year, so falling even further behind our 'industrial' comparators, unlike the VC's and the senior management teams...
Oh and the VC's 'house' in Chilworth is also an entertainment venue, so he can entertain investors, not a perk!

You can actually get an idea of the Vice-Chancellor's earnings from looking at stats available online on 08-09 earnings:

http://spreadsheets.
google.com/ccc?key=t
Os5Nn8y7RdZ11iammAaK
Ww#gid=1

You can see here that the Uni. Soton's Vice-Chancellor's earnings are actually relatively average/slightly lower than Vice-Chancellors' at other Universities.

Well, this all sounds very dodgy.
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I hope I'm correct in saying the spokesperson at Soton Uni says that a performance related bonus from the former vice-chancellor has been included into Prof Nutbeam's salary?
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Soton Uni fail to hand over the exact figures? They'd have to give this out in a FOI request? Sounds like Prof Nutbeam started on the money that Prof Wakeman took with bonuses. Henceforth, it's no longer a bonus, more like a pay rise.
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And yes these Chilworth houses are the envy of many.

Speaking as a typical Echo reader, I fail to see why anybody else should earn more money than me. That is all.

For those who claim that they could do the job, there are currently five vacancies for vice-chancellors advertised in the Times Higher Education, and the VC of the University of Reading has resigned today. Please let us know how you got on.

... so, how do the job responsibilities of a university vice chancellor compare with a prime minister running the country??? Education sector salaries are now way too high; teaching used to be a vocation, such huge salaries and bonuses just attract the wrong type of people for such positions. Just look at the (investment) banks to see how true that is. Is a Vice Chancellor role necessary or could not the job be split across various levels of management? I expect it could. Huge public sector savings in one fail swoop! Bring back colleges of technology and have just a few universities catering for the truly intellectual/able and reduce salaries accordingly.

The details of the top pay brackets of the university are published every year; http://www.soton.ac.
uk/finance/central/a
ccounts.html

Personally, I work for the university because I believe in what I do. We produce new technologies which benefit everyone, and train some of the best young engineers in the UK, many of whom stay in Southampton.

We're also making significant steps to being more transparant. In very broad terms, if it's subject to a FOI we might as well just make it entirely public and save ourselves the costs of responding to FOI requests.