No nuclear missile codes for Hampshire MP

No nuclear missile codes for Hampshire MP

New Forest East MP Julian Lewis

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DAVID Cameron has admitted that he fears Hampshire backbencher Julian Lewis will never be satisfied with the Government over Britain’s nuclear defence – even if he ordered a submarine to be parked in the Solent and handed him the missile codes.

During a jokey exchange at Prime Minister’s Questions, the New Forest East MP called for an alliance of Conservative and Labour MPs who support replacing the Trident deterrent to be formed.

He mischievously added it could be in similar vein to the grouping who opposed the Alternative Vote, the electoral system Lib Dem coalition colleagues desperately wanted but failed to secure.

Dr Lewis said: “I’m grateful to the Prime Minister for repeating our commitment to the future of Trident, its renewal and continuous at sea deterrents remaining in place.

“Would he give his blessing to those honourable members both in the Conservative party and on the Labour benches who think like him that the nuclear deterrent should be above party politics and that we should form an alliance on this issue just as we did on the Alternative Vote so successfully?”

Dr Lewis has been a very vocal advocate of the case for renewing the Trident nuclear deterrent but the issue has created tensions within the coalition as Liberal Democrats are firm opponents.

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The Prime Minister said a statement would be made later in the day on the issue.

That was made by Defence Secretary Liam Fox who gave the go-ahead for initial work to begin on its replacement.

But, sparking laughter from MPs, including Dr Lewis, Mr Cameron said: “I do agree that it would be better if we could elevate this issue over party politics and indeed when we voted to go ahead with Trident it was on the basis of a Labour motion that was supported by most Labour MPs and almost all Conservatives MPs.

“I have to say I have a feeling he will never be satisfied even if I placed a Trident submarine in the Solent opposite his constituency and handed him the code – something I’m afraid I’m simply not prepared to do.”

Speaking to the Daily Echo after the exchange Dr Lewis said: “I shall be keeping a keen look out for the appearance of the promised submarine in the Solent though I am quite happy for the Prime Minister to keep the launch codes.”

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12:15pm Thu 19 May 11

tootle says...

Good idea there from DC - paint the conning tower yellow and we could use it as a racing buoy. More useful than the proposed wind farm.
Good idea there from DC - paint the conning tower yellow and we could use it as a racing buoy. More useful than the proposed wind farm. tootle
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1:00pm Thu 19 May 11

Paramjit Bahia says...

Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks
.
With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop?
.
Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.
Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies. Paramjit Bahia
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1:33pm Thu 19 May 11

george h says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks
.
With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop?
.
Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.
Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report.

http://news.bbc.co.u
k/media/avdb/news/uk
/video/133000/bb/133
417_16x9_bb.asx

Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.[/p][/quote]Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man. george h
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1:54pm Thu 19 May 11

southy says...

george h wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks
.
With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop?
.
Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.
Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report.

http://news.bbc.co.u

k/media/avdb/news/uk

/video/133000/bb/133

417_16x9_bb.asx

Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.
You do know now.
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.[/p][/quote]Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.[/p][/quote]You do know now. southy
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1:59pm Thu 19 May 11

southy says...

Why are we wasting money on weapons, when the people are suffering big cuts. We should be more like Germany who spends a lot less on weapons, and spend more on its people.
Its no wonder there Economy is a little bit better than our's.
Why are we wasting money on weapons, when the people are suffering big cuts. We should be more like Germany who spends a lot less on weapons, and spend more on its people. Its no wonder there Economy is a little bit better than our's. southy
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2:07pm Thu 19 May 11

Paramjit Bahia says...

george h wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.
Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.
Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site
.
By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do.
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.[/p][/quote]Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.[/p][/quote]Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site . By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do. Paramjit Bahia
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2:19pm Thu 19 May 11

StEmmosfire says...

southy wrote:
Why are we wasting money on weapons, when the people are suffering big cuts. We should be more like Germany who spends a lot less on weapons, and spend more on its people. Its no wonder there Economy is a little bit better than our's.
More to the point Southy, why are we giving aid to countries that also have there own nuclear weapons like India and Pakistan. We are indirectly funding those WoMD. Why do we need a nuclear weapon anyway? The USA have plenty we are a small country these days and unfortunetley dont have the big punch like we used to decades ago.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Why are we wasting money on weapons, when the people are suffering big cuts. We should be more like Germany who spends a lot less on weapons, and spend more on its people. Its no wonder there Economy is a little bit better than our's.[/p][/quote]More to the point Southy, why are we giving aid to countries that also have there own nuclear weapons like India and Pakistan. We are indirectly funding those WoMD. Why do we need a nuclear weapon anyway? The USA have plenty we are a small country these days and unfortunetley dont have the big punch like we used to decades ago. StEmmosfire
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2:26pm Thu 19 May 11

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
Why are we wasting money on weapons, when the people are suffering big cuts. We should be more like Germany who spends a lot less on weapons, and spend more on its people. Its no wonder there Economy is a little bit better than our's.
Southy, you have raised the right question
.
Problem lies in the attitude of our three main thatcherite political parties (Tories, LibDems and NuLabour) none of which has commitment to any serious ideology bar thatcherite mercenary dogma; these parties have been taken over by opportunist career politicians like John Denham, who will say whatever to get what they want for themselves rather than considering the real needs of the people
.
The above posts are only minor examples of the dodgy practices of people like Denham use for promoting their own careers. They ride on the back of whatever happens to be politically popular at any given time, make sound bites in favour of the popular subjects without much or any commitment to it. That is why John used somebody’s hard work to be put our under his name, and later on felt comfortable as member of the government which committed UK to wasting resources on super expensive Trident programme, while pleading poverty when it came to essential services for ordinary people.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Why are we wasting money on weapons, when the people are suffering big cuts. We should be more like Germany who spends a lot less on weapons, and spend more on its people. Its no wonder there Economy is a little bit better than our's.[/p][/quote]Southy, you have raised the right question . Problem lies in the attitude of our three main thatcherite political parties (Tories, LibDems and NuLabour) none of which has commitment to any serious ideology bar thatcherite mercenary dogma; these parties have been taken over by opportunist career politicians like John Denham, who will say whatever to get what they want for themselves rather than considering the real needs of the people . The above posts are only minor examples of the dodgy practices of people like Denham use for promoting their own careers. They ride on the back of whatever happens to be politically popular at any given time, make sound bites in favour of the popular subjects without much or any commitment to it. That is why John used somebody’s hard work to be put our under his name, and later on felt comfortable as member of the government which committed UK to wasting resources on super expensive Trident programme, while pleading poverty when it came to essential services for ordinary people. Paramjit Bahia
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3:37pm Thu 19 May 11

Shoong says...

Ooooh, big Commie love in goin' on here!
Ooooh, big Commie love in goin' on here! Shoong
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3:44pm Thu 19 May 11

Stillness says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
george h wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.
Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.
Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site
.
By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do.
Change will only ever come from within. It's just a shame that the within comprises of you and the likes of southy. Blinkered and not capable of original thought. Still, it's only life. Enjoy it.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.[/p][/quote]Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.[/p][/quote]Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site . By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do.[/p][/quote]Change will only ever come from within. It's just a shame that the within comprises of you and the likes of southy. Blinkered and not capable of original thought. Still, it's only life. Enjoy it. Stillness
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3:49pm Thu 19 May 11

Paramjit Bahia says...

StEmmosfire wrote:
southy wrote: Why are we wasting money on weapons, when the people are suffering big cuts. We should be more like Germany who spends a lot less on weapons, and spend more on its people. Its no wonder there Economy is a little bit better than our's.
More to the point Southy, why are we giving aid to countries that also have there own nuclear weapons like India and Pakistan. We are indirectly funding those WoMD. Why do we need a nuclear weapon anyway? The USA have plenty we are a small country these days and unfortunetley dont have the big punch like we used to decades ago.
These are very valid questions to be raised, but sadly too sensitive for many do gooders to tolerate
.
In my view nice sounding seductive word ‘foreign aid’ is frequently abused because it is often used as slush fund for promoting either interests of the various businesses like arms exporters or part of foreign office policy
.
The deeper one looks into this shameful scandal more confusing/murky it gets.
India is good example; it has world’s second fastest growing economy, is not only one of the nuclear powers but also can afford its own independent space programme. On top of all that India also is giving foreign aid to other countries
.
You are wrong to suggest that India gets any assistance or aid from us for its nuclear weapons, but amazingly part of the last corruption infested Commonwealth Games in Delhi was to give aid for promotion of sports to countries which included us the United Kingdom along with Australia and Canada and few other so called advanced and rich nations
.

Pakistan admittedly is the worse example and a very good reason for reviewing the foreign aid policy. Please do not rely on my figures as I am just quoting out of this old man’s worn out memory, which may not be very sharp. But I think you will find that Pakistan is blowing virtually 50% of its income on weapons and army which includes its intelligence service the ISI, which specialises in financing training and deploying terrorism under the name of a religion and was used by both UK and USA in 1980’s for de facto terrorism in same Afghanistan; where our brave men and women are now paying the price for those follies with their lives
.

I have been told by many African friends how our so called foreign aid rather than helping their nations is in fact harming those by keeping corrupt tyrants in power. They use our so called foreign aid to keep the taxes low for their own popularity and even siphon large parts of it into their own bank accounts back in Europe
.

I believe that so called foreign aid of our government in fact brings the whole name of this thing into disrepute. Because most British people are compassionate and genuinely like helping those who are in desperate need. They always donate whatever they can to the non governmental charitable organisations, which are million times better in helping the real needy people than frequently questionable exercises implemented by the government
.

Finally about India. On 16 May a close friend of former Labour MP Bryan Gould and mine who is economist, former diplomat and ex Cabinet minister of India delivered a lecture at Oxford University’s business school. Getting hold of the copy Mani Shankar Aiyar’s paper may explain what India needs; he did not make any demand for foreign aid but argued for going back to the Nehruvian socialism and Gandhian values as prescriptions for India. I believe we even in the UK can learn a lot from that school of thought. Because policies of our successive governments are also increasing number of poor same way the so called economic miracle is doing in India, where millionaires are becoming multi billionaires and poor have started to lose even the trees to take shelters from mid day sun, which only mad dogs or English men like your goodself tend to like!!!
[quote][p][bold]StEmmosfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Why are we wasting money on weapons, when the people are suffering big cuts. We should be more like Germany who spends a lot less on weapons, and spend more on its people. Its no wonder there Economy is a little bit better than our's.[/p][/quote]More to the point Southy, why are we giving aid to countries that also have there own nuclear weapons like India and Pakistan. We are indirectly funding those WoMD. Why do we need a nuclear weapon anyway? The USA have plenty we are a small country these days and unfortunetley dont have the big punch like we used to decades ago.[/p][/quote]These are very valid questions to be raised, but sadly too sensitive for many do gooders to tolerate . In my view nice sounding seductive word ‘foreign aid’ is frequently abused because it is often used as slush fund for promoting either interests of the various businesses like arms exporters or part of foreign office policy . The deeper one looks into this shameful scandal more confusing/murky it gets. India is good example; it has world’s second fastest growing economy, is not only one of the nuclear powers but also can afford its own independent space programme. On top of all that India also is giving foreign aid to other countries . You are wrong to suggest that India gets any assistance or aid from us for its nuclear weapons, but amazingly part of the last corruption infested Commonwealth Games in Delhi was to give aid for promotion of sports to countries which included us the United Kingdom along with Australia and Canada and few other so called advanced and rich nations . Pakistan admittedly is the worse example and a very good reason for reviewing the foreign aid policy. Please do not rely on my figures as I am just quoting out of this old man’s worn out memory, which may not be very sharp. But I think you will find that Pakistan is blowing virtually 50% of its income on weapons and army which includes its intelligence service the ISI, which specialises in financing training and deploying terrorism under the name of a religion and was used by both UK and USA in 1980’s for de facto terrorism in same Afghanistan; where our brave men and women are now paying the price for those follies with their lives . I have been told by many African friends how our so called foreign aid rather than helping their nations is in fact harming those by keeping corrupt tyrants in power. They use our so called foreign aid to keep the taxes low for their own popularity and even siphon large parts of it into their own bank accounts back in Europe . I believe that so called foreign aid of our government in fact brings the whole name of this thing into disrepute. Because most British people are compassionate and genuinely like helping those who are in desperate need. They always donate whatever they can to the non governmental charitable organisations, which are million times better in helping the real needy people than frequently questionable exercises implemented by the government . Finally about India. On 16 May a close friend of former Labour MP Bryan Gould and mine who is economist, former diplomat and ex Cabinet minister of India delivered a lecture at Oxford University’s business school. Getting hold of the copy Mani Shankar Aiyar’s paper may explain what India needs; he did not make any demand for foreign aid but argued for going back to the Nehruvian socialism and Gandhian values as prescriptions for India. I believe we even in the UK can learn a lot from that school of thought. Because policies of our successive governments are also increasing number of poor same way the so called economic miracle is doing in India, where millionaires are becoming multi billionaires and poor have started to lose even the trees to take shelters from mid day sun, which only mad dogs or English men like your goodself tend to like!!! Paramjit Bahia
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4:37pm Thu 19 May 11

Condor Man says...

I've only twice ever respected Gordon Brown. Once was his dignified exit from No 10 (rather touching to see him walk off with his wife and boys) and the other was when he told Clegg to "get real" over Trident. We must never give up our nuclear weapons as they are a massive bargaining chip against the likes of Iran who'd think nothing of holding us to ransom if they felt like it.
I've only twice ever respected Gordon Brown. Once was his dignified exit from No 10 (rather touching to see him walk off with his wife and boys) and the other was when he told Clegg to "get real" over Trident. We must never give up our nuclear weapons as they are a massive bargaining chip against the likes of Iran who'd think nothing of holding us to ransom if they felt like it. Condor Man
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4:53pm Thu 19 May 11

southy says...

Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
george h wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.
Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.
Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site
.
By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do.
Change will only ever come from within. It's just a shame that the within comprises of you and the likes of southy. Blinkered and not capable of original thought. Still, it's only life. Enjoy it.
Your to blinkered to see what is really going on in the world.
Hilter would be prowd to see this happening its what he wanted and what we had a world war about, Extreme Capitalism the Corporate state where the welthy get all the benefits of the world and the poor are just slaves to the Corporate.
And aid is just part of it, its to keep countrys going in the same direction more and more to the right wing politics, its to stop countrys turning to Socialism, where the wealth is shared to all and not kept by the 2% of the population. Have you not notice how countrys that do turn to Socialism do not get any aid.
What original thought that has not been thought of before, and if you can not see that then you are more blinkered than me and most others.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.[/p][/quote]Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.[/p][/quote]Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site . By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do.[/p][/quote]Change will only ever come from within. It's just a shame that the within comprises of you and the likes of southy. Blinkered and not capable of original thought. Still, it's only life. Enjoy it.[/p][/quote]Your to blinkered to see what is really going on in the world. Hilter would be prowd to see this happening its what he wanted and what we had a world war about, Extreme Capitalism the Corporate state where the welthy get all the benefits of the world and the poor are just slaves to the Corporate. And aid is just part of it, its to keep countrys going in the same direction more and more to the right wing politics, its to stop countrys turning to Socialism, where the wealth is shared to all and not kept by the 2% of the population. Have you not notice how countrys that do turn to Socialism do not get any aid. What original thought that has not been thought of before, and if you can not see that then you are more blinkered than me and most others. southy
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4:58pm Thu 19 May 11

Stillness says...

Condor Man wrote:
I've only twice ever respected Gordon Brown. Once was his dignified exit from No 10 (rather touching to see him walk off with his wife and boys) and the other was when he told Clegg to "get real" over Trident. We must never give up our nuclear weapons as they are a massive bargaining chip against the likes of Iran who'd think nothing of holding us to ransom if they felt like it.
Ahh. The art of big stick diplomacy. I did say stick didn't I? Well both work so it doesn't mater.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: I've only twice ever respected Gordon Brown. Once was his dignified exit from No 10 (rather touching to see him walk off with his wife and boys) and the other was when he told Clegg to "get real" over Trident. We must never give up our nuclear weapons as they are a massive bargaining chip against the likes of Iran who'd think nothing of holding us to ransom if they felt like it.[/p][/quote]Ahh. The art of big stick diplomacy. I did say stick didn't I? Well both work so it doesn't mater. Stillness
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5:20pm Thu 19 May 11

headworm says...

Stillness wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
I've only twice ever respected Gordon Brown. Once was his dignified exit from No 10 (rather touching to see him walk off with his wife and boys) and the other was when he told Clegg to "get real" over Trident. We must never give up our nuclear weapons as they are a massive bargaining chip against the likes of Iran who'd think nothing of holding us to ransom if they felt like it.
Ahh. The art of big stick diplomacy. I did say stick didn't I? Well both work so it doesn't mater.
Because Iran are renowned for their hostile nature against other nations? How many countries is it they've invaded in the last 100 years?? Those evil Iranians, always spoiling for a fight.

Oh why can't they be more like us peace loving brits eh?
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: I've only twice ever respected Gordon Brown. Once was his dignified exit from No 10 (rather touching to see him walk off with his wife and boys) and the other was when he told Clegg to "get real" over Trident. We must never give up our nuclear weapons as they are a massive bargaining chip against the likes of Iran who'd think nothing of holding us to ransom if they felt like it.[/p][/quote]Ahh. The art of big stick diplomacy. I did say stick didn't I? Well both work so it doesn't mater.[/p][/quote]Because Iran are renowned for their hostile nature against other nations? How many countries is it they've invaded in the last 100 years?? Those evil Iranians, always spoiling for a fight. Oh why can't they be more like us peace loving brits eh? headworm
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5:42pm Thu 19 May 11

Stillness says...

southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
george h wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.
Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.
Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site
.
By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do.
Change will only ever come from within. It's just a shame that the within comprises of you and the likes of southy. Blinkered and not capable of original thought. Still, it's only life. Enjoy it.
Your to blinkered to see what is really going on in the world.
Hilter would be prowd to see this happening its what he wanted and what we had a world war about, Extreme Capitalism the Corporate state where the welthy get all the benefits of the world and the poor are just slaves to the Corporate.
And aid is just part of it, its to keep countrys going in the same direction more and more to the right wing politics, its to stop countrys turning to Socialism, where the wealth is shared to all and not kept by the 2% of the population. Have you not notice how countrys that do turn to Socialism do not get any aid.
What original thought that has not been thought of before, and if you can not see that then you are more blinkered than me and most others.
Bringing up Hitler only goes to show that you have no idea when it comes to original thought. As I thought lol.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.[/p][/quote]Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.[/p][/quote]Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site . By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do.[/p][/quote]Change will only ever come from within. It's just a shame that the within comprises of you and the likes of southy. Blinkered and not capable of original thought. Still, it's only life. Enjoy it.[/p][/quote]Your to blinkered to see what is really going on in the world. Hilter would be prowd to see this happening its what he wanted and what we had a world war about, Extreme Capitalism the Corporate state where the welthy get all the benefits of the world and the poor are just slaves to the Corporate. And aid is just part of it, its to keep countrys going in the same direction more and more to the right wing politics, its to stop countrys turning to Socialism, where the wealth is shared to all and not kept by the 2% of the population. Have you not notice how countrys that do turn to Socialism do not get any aid. What original thought that has not been thought of before, and if you can not see that then you are more blinkered than me and most others.[/p][/quote]Bringing up Hitler only goes to show that you have no idea when it comes to original thought. As I thought lol. Stillness
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6:10pm Thu 19 May 11

Condor Man says...

headworm wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
I've only twice ever respected Gordon Brown. Once was his dignified exit from No 10 (rather touching to see him walk off with his wife and boys) and the other was when he told Clegg to "get real" over Trident. We must never give up our nuclear weapons as they are a massive bargaining chip against the likes of Iran who'd think nothing of holding us to ransom if they felt like it.
Ahh. The art of big stick diplomacy. I did say stick didn't I? Well both work so it doesn't mater.
Because Iran are renowned for their hostile nature against other nations? How many countries is it they've invaded in the last 100 years?? Those evil Iranians, always spoiling for a fight.

Oh why can't they be more like us peace loving brits eh?
How about their involvement in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Senegal? Until the people boot out Armadinijad Iran is still a threat. Also talk about their links with North Korea strengthens the argument to update Trident (and also the jobs it will provide).
[quote][p][bold]headworm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: I've only twice ever respected Gordon Brown. Once was his dignified exit from No 10 (rather touching to see him walk off with his wife and boys) and the other was when he told Clegg to "get real" over Trident. We must never give up our nuclear weapons as they are a massive bargaining chip against the likes of Iran who'd think nothing of holding us to ransom if they felt like it.[/p][/quote]Ahh. The art of big stick diplomacy. I did say stick didn't I? Well both work so it doesn't mater.[/p][/quote]Because Iran are renowned for their hostile nature against other nations? How many countries is it they've invaded in the last 100 years?? Those evil Iranians, always spoiling for a fight. Oh why can't they be more like us peace loving brits eh?[/p][/quote]How about their involvement in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Senegal? Until the people boot out Armadinijad Iran is still a threat. Also talk about their links with North Korea strengthens the argument to update Trident (and also the jobs it will provide). Condor Man
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6:59pm Thu 19 May 11

Paramjit Bahia says...

Condor Man wrote:
headworm wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Condor Man wrote: I've only twice ever respected Gordon Brown. Once was his dignified exit from No 10 (rather touching to see him walk off with his wife and boys) and the other was when he told Clegg to "get real" over Trident. We must never give up our nuclear weapons as they are a massive bargaining chip against the likes of Iran who'd think nothing of holding us to ransom if they felt like it.
Ahh. The art of big stick diplomacy. I did say stick didn't I? Well both work so it doesn't mater.
Because Iran are renowned for their hostile nature against other nations? How many countries is it they've invaded in the last 100 years?? Those evil Iranians, always spoiling for a fight. Oh why can't they be more like us peace loving brits eh?
How about their involvement in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Senegal? Until the people boot out Armadinijad Iran is still a threat. Also talk about their links with North Korea strengthens the argument to update Trident (and also the jobs it will provide).
CM, although I am not keen on the current theocrats who are in power in Iran, should we not clean our own mess before start pointing fingers at others.
You probably (like your goddess of evil Thatcher woman who now has conveniently started to suffer from memory loss) may not want to remember, but was it not the West that spoon fed Ayatollah when he was in exile?
Did we along with Americans not finance train and used what has now become Taliban and Al Qaeda with the help of mother of terrorism ISI of Pakistan?
Why while cutting services for the people in this country under the excuse of financial crisis your darling dodgy Dave Cameron has given another £650 millions to same Pakistan?
How about Iraq? Did your party not support Blair in his illegal and immoral invasion of that country?
Why the hell are our scarce resources being wasted for basically providing unofficial air force to one side of Libyan civil war?
While I have no intention of defending Iran’s current regime, their bad record gets nowhere near our own and the many other Western nations.
Have we not got links with the USA and France's Sarkozi?
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]headworm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: I've only twice ever respected Gordon Brown. Once was his dignified exit from No 10 (rather touching to see him walk off with his wife and boys) and the other was when he told Clegg to "get real" over Trident. We must never give up our nuclear weapons as they are a massive bargaining chip against the likes of Iran who'd think nothing of holding us to ransom if they felt like it.[/p][/quote]Ahh. The art of big stick diplomacy. I did say stick didn't I? Well both work so it doesn't mater.[/p][/quote]Because Iran are renowned for their hostile nature against other nations? How many countries is it they've invaded in the last 100 years?? Those evil Iranians, always spoiling for a fight. Oh why can't they be more like us peace loving brits eh?[/p][/quote]How about their involvement in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Senegal? Until the people boot out Armadinijad Iran is still a threat. Also talk about their links with North Korea strengthens the argument to update Trident (and also the jobs it will provide).[/p][/quote]CM, although I am not keen on the current theocrats who are in power in Iran, should we not clean our own mess before start pointing fingers at others. You probably (like your goddess of evil Thatcher woman who now has conveniently started to suffer from memory loss) may not want to remember, but was it not the West that spoon fed Ayatollah when he was in exile? Did we along with Americans not finance train and used what has now become Taliban and Al Qaeda with the help of mother of terrorism ISI of Pakistan? Why while cutting services for the people in this country under the excuse of financial crisis your darling dodgy Dave Cameron has given another £650 millions to same Pakistan? How about Iraq? Did your party not support Blair in his illegal and immoral invasion of that country? Why the hell are our scarce resources being wasted for basically providing unofficial air force to one side of Libyan civil war? While I have no intention of defending Iran’s current regime, their bad record gets nowhere near our own and the many other Western nations. Have we not got links with the USA and France's Sarkozi? Paramjit Bahia
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7:27pm Thu 19 May 11

Stillness says...

Does it strike anyone else how strange it is that comrade southy is the one who is most money obsessed? Perhaps the poor fool still thinks that money is where peace and happiness will be found. As the old saying goes "Look within, or go without".
Does it strike anyone else how strange it is that comrade southy is the one who is most money obsessed? Perhaps the poor fool still thinks that money is where peace and happiness will be found. As the old saying goes "Look within, or go without". Stillness
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8:14pm Thu 19 May 11

Torchie1 says...

Obsessed with other peoples money is probably closer to the mark. Won't get a job but wants to live off the backs of other people who have worked hard and got on in life. That's socialism summed up quite neatly.
Obsessed with other peoples money is probably closer to the mark. Won't get a job but wants to live off the backs of other people who have worked hard and got on in life. That's socialism summed up quite neatly. Torchie1
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11:08pm Thu 19 May 11

Condor Man says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
headworm wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Condor Man wrote: I've only twice ever respected Gordon Brown. Once was his dignified exit from No 10 (rather touching to see him walk off with his wife and boys) and the other was when he told Clegg to "get real" over Trident. We must never give up our nuclear weapons as they are a massive bargaining chip against the likes of Iran who'd think nothing of holding us to ransom if they felt like it.
Ahh. The art of big stick diplomacy. I did say stick didn't I? Well both work so it doesn't mater.
Because Iran are renowned for their hostile nature against other nations? How many countries is it they've invaded in the last 100 years?? Those evil Iranians, always spoiling for a fight. Oh why can't they be more like us peace loving brits eh?
How about their involvement in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Senegal? Until the people boot out Armadinijad Iran is still a threat. Also talk about their links with North Korea strengthens the argument to update Trident (and also the jobs it will provide).
CM, although I am not keen on the current theocrats who are in power in Iran, should we not clean our own mess before start pointing fingers at others.
You probably (like your goddess of evil Thatcher woman who now has conveniently started to suffer from memory loss) may not want to remember, but was it not the West that spoon fed Ayatollah when he was in exile?
Did we along with Americans not finance train and used what has now become Taliban and Al Qaeda with the help of mother of terrorism ISI of Pakistan?
Why while cutting services for the people in this country under the excuse of financial crisis your darling dodgy Dave Cameron has given another £650 millions to same Pakistan?
How about Iraq? Did your party not support Blair in his illegal and immoral invasion of that country?
Why the hell are our scarce resources being wasted for basically providing unofficial air force to one side of Libyan civil war?
While I have no intention of defending Iran’s current regime, their bad record gets nowhere near our own and the many other Western nations.
Have we not got links with the USA and France's Sarkozi?
Time will tell over Iraq, one day the truth will come out and hopefully Blair and Campbell will be punished for lying to parliament and the public. I'm sure if the dossiers weren't sexed up the Tories wouldn't have backed it, although in 2003 Labour had over a 100 seat majority and it wouldn't have mattered as their MP's would have been whipped into voting for it.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]headworm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: I've only twice ever respected Gordon Brown. Once was his dignified exit from No 10 (rather touching to see him walk off with his wife and boys) and the other was when he told Clegg to "get real" over Trident. We must never give up our nuclear weapons as they are a massive bargaining chip against the likes of Iran who'd think nothing of holding us to ransom if they felt like it.[/p][/quote]Ahh. The art of big stick diplomacy. I did say stick didn't I? Well both work so it doesn't mater.[/p][/quote]Because Iran are renowned for their hostile nature against other nations? How many countries is it they've invaded in the last 100 years?? Those evil Iranians, always spoiling for a fight. Oh why can't they be more like us peace loving brits eh?[/p][/quote]How about their involvement in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Senegal? Until the people boot out Armadinijad Iran is still a threat. Also talk about their links with North Korea strengthens the argument to update Trident (and also the jobs it will provide).[/p][/quote]CM, although I am not keen on the current theocrats who are in power in Iran, should we not clean our own mess before start pointing fingers at others. You probably (like your goddess of evil Thatcher woman who now has conveniently started to suffer from memory loss) may not want to remember, but was it not the West that spoon fed Ayatollah when he was in exile? Did we along with Americans not finance train and used what has now become Taliban and Al Qaeda with the help of mother of terrorism ISI of Pakistan? Why while cutting services for the people in this country under the excuse of financial crisis your darling dodgy Dave Cameron has given another £650 millions to same Pakistan? How about Iraq? Did your party not support Blair in his illegal and immoral invasion of that country? Why the hell are our scarce resources being wasted for basically providing unofficial air force to one side of Libyan civil war? While I have no intention of defending Iran’s current regime, their bad record gets nowhere near our own and the many other Western nations. Have we not got links with the USA and France's Sarkozi?[/p][/quote]Time will tell over Iraq, one day the truth will come out and hopefully Blair and Campbell will be punished for lying to parliament and the public. I'm sure if the dossiers weren't sexed up the Tories wouldn't have backed it, although in 2003 Labour had over a 100 seat majority and it wouldn't have mattered as their MP's would have been whipped into voting for it. Condor Man
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1:26am Fri 20 May 11

southy says...

Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
george h wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.
Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.
Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site
.
By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do.
Change will only ever come from within. It's just a shame that the within comprises of you and the likes of southy. Blinkered and not capable of original thought. Still, it's only life. Enjoy it.
Your to blinkered to see what is really going on in the world.
Hilter would be prowd to see this happening its what he wanted and what we had a world war about, Extreme Capitalism the Corporate state where the welthy get all the benefits of the world and the poor are just slaves to the Corporate.
And aid is just part of it, its to keep countrys going in the same direction more and more to the right wing politics, its to stop countrys turning to Socialism, where the wealth is shared to all and not kept by the 2% of the population. Have you not notice how countrys that do turn to Socialism do not get any aid.
What original thought that has not been thought of before, and if you can not see that then you are more blinkered than me and most others.
Bringing up Hitler only goes to show that you have no idea when it comes to original thought. As I thought lol.
There are no original thoughts that have not been though of before, which go's to show how blinkard you are. Just that some of those thoughts have not been tested.
And bring up Hitler I was pointing to you the direction that we and the world is being push into, We are heading for WW3.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.[/p][/quote]Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.[/p][/quote]Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site . By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do.[/p][/quote]Change will only ever come from within. It's just a shame that the within comprises of you and the likes of southy. Blinkered and not capable of original thought. Still, it's only life. Enjoy it.[/p][/quote]Your to blinkered to see what is really going on in the world. Hilter would be prowd to see this happening its what he wanted and what we had a world war about, Extreme Capitalism the Corporate state where the welthy get all the benefits of the world and the poor are just slaves to the Corporate. And aid is just part of it, its to keep countrys going in the same direction more and more to the right wing politics, its to stop countrys turning to Socialism, where the wealth is shared to all and not kept by the 2% of the population. Have you not notice how countrys that do turn to Socialism do not get any aid. What original thought that has not been thought of before, and if you can not see that then you are more blinkered than me and most others.[/p][/quote]Bringing up Hitler only goes to show that you have no idea when it comes to original thought. As I thought lol.[/p][/quote]There are no original thoughts that have not been though of before, which go's to show how blinkard you are. Just that some of those thoughts have not been tested. And bring up Hitler I was pointing to you the direction that we and the world is being push into, We are heading for WW3. southy
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7:46am Fri 20 May 11

Stillness says...

southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
george h wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.
Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.
Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site
.
By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do.
Change will only ever come from within. It's just a shame that the within comprises of you and the likes of southy. Blinkered and not capable of original thought. Still, it's only life. Enjoy it.
Your to blinkered to see what is really going on in the world.
Hilter would be prowd to see this happening its what he wanted and what we had a world war about, Extreme Capitalism the Corporate state where the welthy get all the benefits of the world and the poor are just slaves to the Corporate.
And aid is just part of it, its to keep countrys going in the same direction more and more to the right wing politics, its to stop countrys turning to Socialism, where the wealth is shared to all and not kept by the 2% of the population. Have you not notice how countrys that do turn to Socialism do not get any aid.
What original thought that has not been thought of before, and if you can not see that then you are more blinkered than me and most others.
Bringing up Hitler only goes to show that you have no idea when it comes to original thought. As I thought lol.
There are no original thoughts that have not been though of before, which go's to show how blinkard you are. Just that some of those thoughts have not been tested.
And bring up Hitler I was pointing to you the direction that we and the world is being push into, We are heading for WW3.
I can't remember who said it but some clever wit came up with "I do not know what weapons the 3rd world war will be fought with. But the 4th will be fought with sticks". So your often mentioned WW3 may just save the human race and you never know it may even evolve in to your socialist nirvana.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.[/p][/quote]Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.[/p][/quote]Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site . By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do.[/p][/quote]Change will only ever come from within. It's just a shame that the within comprises of you and the likes of southy. Blinkered and not capable of original thought. Still, it's only life. Enjoy it.[/p][/quote]Your to blinkered to see what is really going on in the world. Hilter would be prowd to see this happening its what he wanted and what we had a world war about, Extreme Capitalism the Corporate state where the welthy get all the benefits of the world and the poor are just slaves to the Corporate. And aid is just part of it, its to keep countrys going in the same direction more and more to the right wing politics, its to stop countrys turning to Socialism, where the wealth is shared to all and not kept by the 2% of the population. Have you not notice how countrys that do turn to Socialism do not get any aid. What original thought that has not been thought of before, and if you can not see that then you are more blinkered than me and most others.[/p][/quote]Bringing up Hitler only goes to show that you have no idea when it comes to original thought. As I thought lol.[/p][/quote]There are no original thoughts that have not been though of before, which go's to show how blinkard you are. Just that some of those thoughts have not been tested. And bring up Hitler I was pointing to you the direction that we and the world is being push into, We are heading for WW3.[/p][/quote]I can't remember who said it but some clever wit came up with "I do not know what weapons the 3rd world war will be fought with. But the 4th will be fought with sticks". So your often mentioned WW3 may just save the human race and you never know it may even evolve in to your socialist nirvana. Stillness
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11:18am Fri 20 May 11

Scrutinizer says...

Shoong wrote:
Ooooh, big Commie love in goin' on here!
Isn't it just!;-)
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Ooooh, big Commie love in goin' on here![/p][/quote]Isn't it just!;-) Scrutinizer
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4:24pm Fri 20 May 11

southy says...

Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
george h wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.
Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.
Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site
.
By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do.
Change will only ever come from within. It's just a shame that the within comprises of you and the likes of southy. Blinkered and not capable of original thought. Still, it's only life. Enjoy it.
Your to blinkered to see what is really going on in the world.
Hilter would be prowd to see this happening its what he wanted and what we had a world war about, Extreme Capitalism the Corporate state where the welthy get all the benefits of the world and the poor are just slaves to the Corporate.
And aid is just part of it, its to keep countrys going in the same direction more and more to the right wing politics, its to stop countrys turning to Socialism, where the wealth is shared to all and not kept by the 2% of the population. Have you not notice how countrys that do turn to Socialism do not get any aid.
What original thought that has not been thought of before, and if you can not see that then you are more blinkered than me and most others.
Bringing up Hitler only goes to show that you have no idea when it comes to original thought. As I thought lol.
There are no original thoughts that have not been though of before, which go's to show how blinkard you are. Just that some of those thoughts have not been tested.
And bring up Hitler I was pointing to you the direction that we and the world is being push into, We are heading for WW3.
I can't remember who said it but some clever wit came up with "I do not know what weapons the 3rd world war will be fought with. But the 4th will be fought with sticks". So your often mentioned WW3 may just save the human race and you never know it may even evolve in to your socialist nirvana.
Oppenheimer said that in the 50's, Its meaning was we now know how to wipe out every living thing on this earth. There are no winners only losers.

It be like if you stick a bunch of company of board room members on a desert island, and a bunch of working class on another desert island, and come back on them in 100 years time to check up on them to see which survive, it be the working class that would more likely to still be there.
But with a nuclear war, you would wipe out the very ones that would know and have the know how how to survive. no winners.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.[/p][/quote]Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.[/p][/quote]Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site . By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do.[/p][/quote]Change will only ever come from within. It's just a shame that the within comprises of you and the likes of southy. Blinkered and not capable of original thought. Still, it's only life. Enjoy it.[/p][/quote]Your to blinkered to see what is really going on in the world. Hilter would be prowd to see this happening its what he wanted and what we had a world war about, Extreme Capitalism the Corporate state where the welthy get all the benefits of the world and the poor are just slaves to the Corporate. And aid is just part of it, its to keep countrys going in the same direction more and more to the right wing politics, its to stop countrys turning to Socialism, where the wealth is shared to all and not kept by the 2% of the population. Have you not notice how countrys that do turn to Socialism do not get any aid. What original thought that has not been thought of before, and if you can not see that then you are more blinkered than me and most others.[/p][/quote]Bringing up Hitler only goes to show that you have no idea when it comes to original thought. As I thought lol.[/p][/quote]There are no original thoughts that have not been though of before, which go's to show how blinkard you are. Just that some of those thoughts have not been tested. And bring up Hitler I was pointing to you the direction that we and the world is being push into, We are heading for WW3.[/p][/quote]I can't remember who said it but some clever wit came up with "I do not know what weapons the 3rd world war will be fought with. But the 4th will be fought with sticks". So your often mentioned WW3 may just save the human race and you never know it may even evolve in to your socialist nirvana.[/p][/quote]Oppenheimer said that in the 50's, Its meaning was we now know how to wipe out every living thing on this earth. There are no winners only losers. It be like if you stick a bunch of company of board room members on a desert island, and a bunch of working class on another desert island, and come back on them in 100 years time to check up on them to see which survive, it be the working class that would more likely to still be there. But with a nuclear war, you would wipe out the very ones that would know and have the know how how to survive. no winners. southy
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4:31pm Fri 20 May 11

Stillness says...

southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
southy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
george h wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.
Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.
Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site
.
By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do.
Change will only ever come from within. It's just a shame that the within comprises of you and the likes of southy. Blinkered and not capable of original thought. Still, it's only life. Enjoy it.
Your to blinkered to see what is really going on in the world.
Hilter would be prowd to see this happening its what he wanted and what we had a world war about, Extreme Capitalism the Corporate state where the welthy get all the benefits of the world and the poor are just slaves to the Corporate.
And aid is just part of it, its to keep countrys going in the same direction more and more to the right wing politics, its to stop countrys turning to Socialism, where the wealth is shared to all and not kept by the 2% of the population. Have you not notice how countrys that do turn to Socialism do not get any aid.
What original thought that has not been thought of before, and if you can not see that then you are more blinkered than me and most others.
Bringing up Hitler only goes to show that you have no idea when it comes to original thought. As I thought lol.
There are no original thoughts that have not been though of before, which go's to show how blinkard you are. Just that some of those thoughts have not been tested.
And bring up Hitler I was pointing to you the direction that we and the world is being push into, We are heading for WW3.
I can't remember who said it but some clever wit came up with "I do not know what weapons the 3rd world war will be fought with. But the 4th will be fought with sticks". So your often mentioned WW3 may just save the human race and you never know it may even evolve in to your socialist nirvana.
Oppenheimer said that in the 50's, Its meaning was we now know how to wipe out every living thing on this earth. There are no winners only losers.

It be like if you stick a bunch of company of board room members on a desert island, and a bunch of working class on another desert island, and come back on them in 100 years time to check up on them to see which survive, it be the working class that would more likely to still be there.
But with a nuclear war, you would wipe out the very ones that would know and have the know how how to survive. no winners.
Kind of makes you wonder why "The Working Classes" are not the ruling classes. How many volunteers do you want to join you on a desert island? I'll see if I can find them for you as long as you promise to go.
S/W = drug-face. I think the missing words are off, his and on.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Reminds me of the item on the News Night couple of years ago, when certain expert on nuclear weapons based in Southampton exposed the scandal of so called security keys for nuclear bombs. These were in fact cheapest forms of push bike locks . With that in mind why the New Forest MP should bother about getting codes from Cameron when all he needs to do is to pop into a local cheepo push bike shop? . Considering the former CND supporter local MP John Denham was also member of the cabinet that committed the government to super expensive Trident programme, Dr. Lewis may have already got a ready made partner. As Denham has shifted very much to the right (In fact over Tuition fees even Tory Lewis is on Denham’s left) the Tories will also have no problem with him on many other anti working class and pro rich policies.[/p][/quote]Parmi, would that be this BBC Newsnight report. http://news.bbc.co.u k/media/avdb/news/uk /video/133000/bb/133 417_16x9_bb.asx Wasn't aware that this was a Southampton man.[/p][/quote]Yes that expert on nuclear weapons still lives in Southampton, and is behind a web site providing info on the subject, if you have its details those may please put those on this site, might help in opening otherwise too many closed minds on this site . By the way it may interest you that it is the same man who in late 70s early 80s authored a well researched booklet exposing the dangers of nuclear weapons. Typically dishonest as ever the local Labour Party those days released that under the name of certain John Denham, to promote John’s anti nuclear image, as those days it was a trendy thing to do.[/p][/quote]Change will only ever come from within. It's just a shame that the within comprises of you and the likes of southy. Blinkered and not capable of original thought. Still, it's only life. Enjoy it.[/p][/quote]Your to blinkered to see what is really going on in the world. Hilter would be prowd to see this happening its what he wanted and what we had a world war about, Extreme Capitalism the Corporate state where the welthy get all the benefits of the world and the poor are just slaves to the Corporate. And aid is just part of it, its to keep countrys going in the same direction more and more to the right wing politics, its to stop countrys turning to Socialism, where the wealth is shared to all and not kept by the 2% of the population. Have you not notice how countrys that do turn to Socialism do not get any aid. What original thought that has not been thought of before, and if you can not see that then you are more blinkered than me and most others.[/p][/quote]Bringing up Hitler only goes to show that you have no idea when it comes to original thought. As I thought lol.[/p][/quote]There are no original thoughts that have not been though of before, which go's to show how blinkard you are. Just that some of those thoughts have not been tested. And bring up Hitler I was pointing to you the direction that we and the world is being push into, We are heading for WW3.[/p][/quote]I can't remember who said it but some clever wit came up with "I do not know what weapons the 3rd world war will be fought with. But the 4th will be fought with sticks". So your often mentioned WW3 may just save the human race and you never know it may even evolve in to your socialist nirvana.[/p][/quote]Oppenheimer said that in the 50's, Its meaning was we now know how to wipe out every living thing on this earth. There are no winners only losers. It be like if you stick a bunch of company of board room members on a desert island, and a bunch of working class on another desert island, and come back on them in 100 years time to check up on them to see which survive, it be the working class that would more likely to still be there. But with a nuclear war, you would wipe out the very ones that would know and have the know how how to survive. no winners.[/p][/quote]Kind of makes you wonder why "The Working Classes" are not the ruling classes. How many volunteers do you want to join you on a desert island? I'll see if I can find them for you as long as you promise to go. S/W = drug-face. I think the missing words are off, his and on. Stillness
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