Budget assault on vulnerable is condemned (From Daily Echo)

Come and support the TUSC, they will fight with you, unlike all the other partys will make cuts.

Dont worry about the elderly and disabled ........
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According to some of the Tory posters we should be celebrating and cheering the massive success that there is going to be some industrial units on Millbrook Road.
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As usual with the Tories ..... they dont they care about the sick, elderly, disabled or anyone that is vulnerable.
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Just as long as they can fluff up their big fat ego's that all they are interested in .... Shame on them

I dont know about 'Rambo Royston' but 'The Sheriff of Rottingham' is more fitting. The continued assault against the poor, the elderly and vulnerable is disgusting to say the very least, and sadly its only going to continue as the Tories try and find money to combat the deficit, whilst wasting millions by borrowing from other authorities (no doubt on a high interest loan) to build a museum which commemorates the failings of a Sea Captain, the shamble construction of Irish steel workers working to budget, and the complete an utter panic by crew to send of life boats half full - sentencing many to an icy grave.

You have to admire the long sightedness of this government...

It seems that the Tory mantra is 'if it doesn't show a profit, chop it' I just hope that Royston has got a good pension scheme.

I trust those in authority (and that includes the non-elected working for the council/government) to make the right decisions, especially where the most vulnerable in society are concerned.
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I admire those who care for their own - it is tough. Sadly, it is the case that some families do not take responsibility and care for their own.
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For those who do not agree with these decisions perhaps you can find it in your heart to volunteer and assist if there is any shortfall?

George4th wrote:
I trust those in authority (and that includes the non-elected working for the council/government) to make the right decisions, especially where the most vulnerable in society are concerned.
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I admire those who care for their own - it is tough. Sadly, it is the case that some families do not take responsibility and care for their own.
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For those who do not agree with these decisions perhaps you can find it in your heart to volunteer and assist if there is any shortfall?

'I trust those in authority to make the right decisions, especially where the most vulnerable in society are concerned.'

Can i possibly borrow your rose tinted glasses?

Very naive of you especially when its plan for all to see how those in authority are barbarising systems which are in place to help the vulnerable and elderly.

George4th wrote:
I trust those in authority (and that includes the non-elected working for the council/government) to make the right decisions, especially where the most vulnerable in society are concerned.
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I admire those who care for their own - it is tough. Sadly, it is the case that some families do not take responsibility and care for their own.
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For those who do not agree with these decisions perhaps you can find it in your heart to volunteer and assist if there is any shortfall?

Again more Tory twaddle from George4th

Your loyalty to this Tory administration knows no bounds.

You must be the human version of Greyfriars Bobby.

Is Royston Smith your John Gray?

Over the Edge wrote:

George4th wrote:
I trust those in authority (and that includes the non-elected working for the council/government) to make the right decisions, especially where the most vulnerable in society are concerned.
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I admire those who care for their own - it is tough. Sadly, it is the case that some families do not take responsibility and care for their own.
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For those who do not agree with these decisions perhaps you can find it in your heart to volunteer and assist if there is any shortfall?

Again more Tory twaddle from George4th

Your loyalty to this Tory administration knows no bounds.

You must be the human version of Greyfriars Bobby.

Is Royston Smith your John Gray?

And the alternative is???????!!!!!!!
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My loyalty is to no one but my family. I have witnessed the complete ineptitude of councils during the past 30 years! You only have to visit other towns and cities to compare. Why do you think people from outside Southampton do not think much of the place?!
At least now we can actually see that things are happening! Look at the plans for Southampton - yes, we have plans and strategy - this has not been seen seen in this City for 30 years!!

Have a look at the following:-

http://www.southampt
on.gov.uk/s-environm
ent/future/ccplans/v
ipproj/default.aspx

or

http://www.southampt
on.gov.uk/s-environm
ent/future/ccplans/c
cvision.aspx

George4th wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

George4th wrote:
I trust those in authority (and that includes the non-elected working for the council/government) to make the right decisions, especially where the most vulnerable in society are concerned.
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I admire those who care for their own - it is tough. Sadly, it is the case that some families do not take responsibility and care for their own.
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For those who do not agree with these decisions perhaps you can find it in your heart to volunteer and assist if there is any shortfall?

Again more Tory twaddle from George4th

Your loyalty to this Tory administration knows no bounds.

You must be the human version of Greyfriars Bobby.

Is Royston Smith your John Gray?

And the alternative is???????!!!!!!!
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My loyalty is to no one but my family. I have witnessed the complete ineptitude of councils during the past 30 years! You only have to visit other towns and cities to compare. Why do you think people from outside Southampton do not think much of the place?!
At least now we can actually see that things are happening! Look at the plans for Southampton - yes, we have plans and strategy - this has not been seen seen in this City for 30 years!!

Have a look at the following:-

http://www.southampt

on.gov.uk/s-environm

ent/future/ccplans/v

ipproj/default.aspx

or

http://www.southampt

on.gov.uk/s-environm

ent/future/ccplans/c

cvision.aspx

I saw the plans for the city,,, underneath the stairs in the civic centre,,, at the start of this administration,,,so far this Tory has delivered very little, apart from the carbuncle on the side of the civic (which someone paid for) nothing else has come to fruition.

Your link shows me plans,,,,pie in the sky plans that the private sector will not pay for. Plans are one thing,,delivery however is a total different kettle of fish.

How much did they spend getting the plans drawn up?

The non elected officers of the council who are paid to advise councillors have said this will lead to more social isolation for the old and infirm those officers have been ignored,,,what is point of an impact assessment if it's to be ignored?

This is ta disgusting attack on the most vulnerable in the city, implemented by a an administrator defunct of any feeling or caring

I hope everyone remembers this come May.

Over the Edge wrote:

George4th wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:

George4th wrote:
I trust those in authority (and that includes the non-elected working for the council/government) to make the right decisions, especially where the most vulnerable in society are concerned.
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I admire those who care for their own - it is tough. Sadly, it is the case that some families do not take responsibility and care for their own.
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For those who do not agree with these decisions perhaps you can find it in your heart to volunteer and assist if there is any shortfall?

Again more Tory twaddle from George4th

Your loyalty to this Tory administration knows no bounds.

You must be the human version of Greyfriars Bobby.

Is Royston Smith your John Gray?

And the alternative is???????!!!!!!!
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My loyalty is to no one but my family. I have witnessed the complete ineptitude of councils during the past 30 years! You only have to visit other towns and cities to compare. Why do you think people from outside Southampton do not think much of the place?!
At least now we can actually see that things are happening! Look at the plans for Southampton - yes, we have plans and strategy - this has not been seen seen in this City for 30 years!!

Have a look at the following:-

http://www.southampt


on.gov.uk/s-environm


ent/future/ccplans/v


ipproj/default.aspx

or

http://www.southampt


on.gov.uk/s-environm


ent/future/ccplans/c


cvision.aspx

I saw the plans for the city,,, underneath the stairs in the civic centre,,, at the start of this administration,,,so far this Tory has delivered very little, apart from the carbuncle on the side of the civic (which someone paid for) nothing else has come to fruition.

Your link shows me plans,,,,pie in the sky plans that the private sector will not pay for. Plans are one thing,,delivery however is a total different kettle of fish.

How much did they spend getting the plans drawn up?

The non elected officers of the council who are paid to advise councillors have said this will lead to more social isolation for the old and infirm those officers have been ignored,,,what is point of an impact assessment if it's to be ignored?

This is ta disgusting attack on the most vulnerable in the city, implemented by a an administrator defunct of any feeling or caring

I hope everyone remembers this come May.

You choose to ignore the plans for the future prosperity for the City of Southampton and instead you wish for more years of the same inactivity with no strategy and no planning and no commercial sense whatsoever - great!
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Be careful what you wish for...........

Well said GEORGE4TH, we look after our family, and we also help others, we all should, that's the Tory way.

All this talk of ... the Tory plans for the future ...... Only look after ourselves .... City prosperity ..... and the Tory posters still cant bring themselves to admit that this Tory council can treat the most vulnerable in our society with such contempt.
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How about the vulnerable that dont have the support or the care from their families .... for what ever reason. What do you think will happen to them .... just dumped on the side by this heartles shower at the council.
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Still like i said before ... we've got big plans !!!!!!!.
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Yeah Big Egos is all this Council has got and proven time and time again

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well said GEORGE4TH, we look after our family, and we also help others, we all should, that's the Tory way.

Could you please indicate where on earth you have witnessed a Tory politician helping others, that wasn't in some way helping themselves, lining their pockets or getting a bunk up!?

More rose tinted glasses...

Taskforce 141 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well said GEORGE4TH, we look after our family, and we also help others, we all should, that's the Tory way.

Could you please indicate where on earth you have witnessed a Tory politician helping others, that wasn't in some way helping themselves, lining their pockets or getting a bunk up!?

More rose tinted glasses...

David Cameron

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well said GEORGE4TH, we look after our family, and we also help others, we all should, that's the Tory way.

Could you please indicate where on earth you have witnessed a Tory politician helping others, that wasn't in some way helping themselves, lining their pockets or getting a bunk up!?

More rose tinted glasses...

David Cameron

Married into Money

Do you mean Eton educated, multi millionaire, related to royalty, switched his morgage to maximise the expenses (paid by the taxpayer) he could claim David Cameron. Or do you mean someone else?

David Cameron .......... lmao.
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Are you deluded or what ?????????

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Dont worry about the elderly and disabled ........
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According to some of the Tory posters we should be celebrating and cheering the massive success that there is going to be some industrial units on Millbrook Road.
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As usual with the Tories ..... they dont they care about the sick, elderly, disabled or anyone that is vulnerable.
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Just as long as they can fluff up their big fat ego's that all they are interested in .... Shame on them

Funny I thought the care of parents (elderly) & children was the responsibility of their families?
Lone Ranger my family looked after my gran until she died,we took care of my mum until she died,My cousins have looked after their parents & at least one severely disabled child.
I thought the idea of socialism was to look out for each other not for families to expect every one else to do it for them?

HillsidePaul wrote:
Do you mean Eton educated, multi millionaire, related to royalty, switched his morgage to maximise the expenses (paid by the taxpayer) he could claim David Cameron. Or do you mean someone else?

No the one who's child is (was) severely disabled & he & his wife cared for the child so why can't other people?

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Dont worry about the elderly and disabled ........
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According to some of the Tory posters we should be celebrating and cheering the massive success that there is going to be some industrial units on Millbrook Road.
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As usual with the Tories ..... they dont they care about the sick, elderly, disabled or anyone that is vulnerable.
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Just as long as they can fluff up their big fat ego's that all they are interested in .... Shame on them

Funny I thought the care of parents (elderly) & children was the responsibility of their families?
Lone Ranger my family looked after my gran until she died,we took care of my mum until she died,My cousins have looked after their parents & at least one severely disabled child.
I thought the idea of socialism was to look out for each other not for families to expect every one else to do it for them?

... And if you dont have a family ?????.
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You or your family are fortunate that you can call on each other. There are many that cannot.
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That does not make their family uncaring but nowadays people move around and travel the world living in many far flung corners.
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In addition not everyone can take on the task of looking after a family member or indeed have the expertise or knowledge. In addition it would also depend on the ailments connected.
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But dont you preach to me about what socialism is all about ... as you and your fellow Tories have no ground there whatsoever.
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Even many so called Christians dont give a to$$ about fellow human beings

If Labour had not put the UK in this terrible position ( 64% of our income going on interest payments )then their would be more money for all. Labour politicians were spending our money on their groceries,second home repairs etc ( the caring party don't make me laugh).

aldermoorboy wrote:
If Labour had not put the UK in this terrible position ( 64% of our income going on interest payments )then their would be more money for all. Labour politicians were spending our money on their groceries,second home repairs etc ( the caring party don't make me laugh).

Shame that you hae a vey short memory ......... perhaps you are one of the vulnerable thats having the payments cut.
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So its 64% is it ....... well as the Tory borrowing as well as the debt has increased then they will be paying even MORE than the 64% interest ..
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You may also have noticed that Tory and Lib Dum politicians were ALL treating themselves on expenses so cut the cr@p and open your eyes.
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.... and after nearly TWO YEARS its time to take some responsibilty for the shocking decisions that this coalition has made as opposed to continually playing the blame game.
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Taskforce 141 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well said GEORGE4TH, we look after our family, and we also help others, we all should, that's the Tory way.

Could you please indicate where on earth you have witnessed a Tory politician helping others, that wasn't in some way helping themselves, lining their pockets or getting a bunk up!?

More rose tinted glasses...

.. well, I'm certainly no fan of the woman, but how about Thatcher ‘hand-bagging’ world leaders into signing the Montreal Protocol on CFC's.
Seems to fit your criteria, but that was 1987.
Can’t think of another since then.

Taskforce 141 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well said GEORGE4TH, we look after our family, and we also help others, we all should, that's the Tory way.

Could you please indicate where on earth you have witnessed a Tory politician helping others, that wasn't in some way helping themselves, lining their pockets or getting a bunk up!?

More rose tinted glasses...

David Cameron was devoted to his severely disabled son. He was also devoted to his badly disabled father............

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well said GEORGE4TH, we look after our family, and we also help others, we all should, that's the Tory way.

Could you please indicate where on earth you have witnessed a Tory politician helping others, that wasn't in some way helping themselves, lining their pockets or getting a bunk up!?

More rose tinted glasses...

David Cameron

Married into Money

.. married into even MORE money, to be strictly accurate.
He is an Old Etonian after all.

aldermoorboy wrote:
If Labour had not put the UK in this terrible position ( 64% of our income going on interest payments )then their would be more money for all. Labour politicians were spending our money on their groceries,second home repairs etc ( the caring party don't make me laugh).

You are correct.
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The Coalition inherited a debt of around £1000 Billion Pounds from Labour. It also inherited an ongoing Spending Commitment from Labour. It was therefore obvious that the debt would rise before it falls.
Add the Eurozone fiasco to the pot and we are in Deep Doo Da!
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Labour left us effectively bankrupt/insolvent (I seem to recall the departing Labour Minister who left a note to say "There is no money left"!) and at the door of the IMF. If we did not commit to reigning in spending our borrowing would have cost us a lot more in Interest and increased the debt even higher.
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The Coalitions position is comparable to a Premiership Football Team who are 30 points adrift at the bottom of the league and the incoming Manager is expected to save us from relegation!!!

Lone Ranger. wrote:
David Cameron .......... lmao.
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Are you deluded or what ?????????

Don't think it's 'what', which leaves, er .. ?

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well said GEORGE4TH, we look after our family, and we also help others, we all should, that's the Tory way.

Could you please indicate where on earth you have witnessed a Tory politician helping others, that wasn't in some way helping themselves, lining their pockets or getting a bunk up!?

More rose tinted glasses...

David Cameron

Married into Money

.. married into even MORE money, to be strictly accurate.
He is an Old Etonian after all.

true and has £14 million in a cayman island bank so he dont pay tax on the intrest. he all so bank accounts in other tax free heavens

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well said GEORGE4TH, we look after our family, and we also help others, we all should, that's the Tory way.

Could you please indicate where on earth you have witnessed a Tory politician helping others, that wasn't in some way helping themselves, lining their pockets or getting a bunk up!?

More rose tinted glasses...

David Cameron

Married into Money

.. married into even MORE money, to be strictly accurate.
He is an Old Etonian after all.

true and has £14 million in a cayman island bank so he dont pay tax on the intrest. he all so bank accounts in other tax free heavens

Which part of these banking arrangements are illegal because some of your union 'bosses' are doing the same.

southampton city council must be short of money, they are now selling off empty council flats and houses,when a person moves out at a rate of 5 per month. if you are on the waiting list for a property you may have a longer wait, ask you local mp for details on this, as i have been told this is not common knowledge why?

Big Borlotto wrote:
southampton city council must be short of money, they are now selling off empty council flats and houses,when a person moves out at a rate of 5 per month. if you are on the waiting list for a property you may have a longer wait, ask you local mp for details on this, as i have been told this is not common knowledge why?

Are they going on the open market or to a "chosen" purchaser

unable to find out, poss housing association ready for the big sell off. please can someone find out. as have friends on waiting list

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
If Labour had not put the UK in this terrible position ( 64% of our income going on interest payments )then their would be more money for all. Labour politicians were spending our money on their groceries,second home repairs etc ( the caring party don't make me laugh).

Shame that you hae a vey short memory ......... perhaps you are one of the vulnerable thats having the payments cut.
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So its 64% is it ....... well as the Tory borrowing as well as the debt has increased then they will be paying even MORE than the 64% interest ..
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You may also have noticed that Tory and Lib Dum politicians were ALL treating themselves on expenses so cut the cr@p and open your eyes.
,
.... and after nearly TWO YEARS its time to take some responsibilty for the shocking decisions that this coalition has made as opposed to continually playing the blame game.
.

Lone Ranger don't give me that old chestnut as you know as well as I do many families can't be bothered with the old.
They get upset when no one else looks after them but seem to forget who scrimped & scrapped to give them what they wanted.
I know a lady that escorts handicapped/disabled children to school & some of these parents will send them no matter how ill they are.
one parent lived next door to the school but she was entitled to have someone to take her son to school so she was going to get what she was entitled to.
I will quote socialist values at you as I was bought up by a socialist I went & listened to Harold Wilson & voted Labour up until Kinnock went & Young & then Blair took over.
the whole welfare system was to look after the vulnerable not look after family members that the family can't or won't be bothered with.

Please explain to me how come the Unions & the homes & workforce have known about this for quite a while yet it only comes out now in the paper just before a local election?
At least the council isn't playing politics with these peoples lives unlike the ones who reported this to the press now instead of when they first talked to the council about it

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
If Labour had not put the UK in this terrible position ( 64% of our income going on interest payments )then their would be more money for all. Labour politicians were spending our money on their groceries,second home repairs etc ( the caring party don't make me laugh).

Shame that you hae a vey short memory ......... perhaps you are one of the vulnerable thats having the payments cut.
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So its 64% is it ....... well as the Tory borrowing as well as the debt has increased then they will be paying even MORE than the 64% interest ..
.
You may also have noticed that Tory and Lib Dum politicians were ALL treating themselves on expenses so cut the cr@p and open your eyes.
,
.... and after nearly TWO YEARS its time to take some responsibilty for the shocking decisions that this coalition has made as opposed to continually playing the blame game.
.

Lone Ranger don't give me that old chestnut as you know as well as I do many families can't be bothered with the old.
They get upset when no one else looks after them but seem to forget who scrimped & scrapped to give them what they wanted.
I know a lady that escorts handicapped/disabled children to school & some of these parents will send them no matter how ill they are.
one parent lived next door to the school but she was entitled to have someone to take her son to school so she was going to get what she was entitled to.
I will quote socialist values at you as I was bought up by a socialist I went & listened to Harold Wilson & voted Labour up until Kinnock went & Young & then Blair took over.
the whole welfare system was to look after the vulnerable not look after family members that the family can't or won't be bothered with.

You talk utter rubbish.
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You just dont see it do you ..... you cant see that some people are less fortunate than you ..... you cant see that some folk just dont have families can you.
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Everything is about you ..... you have more experiences in your short life than anybody..... no matter what someone tells you then you have had it worse ....... quote any circumstances and you have either seen it or done it.
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I am not interested in your "quotes" as they are just make believe put together by your imagination to try and win a debate.
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You have no idea of Socialist values only the the value of a Tory ideals ...... you lack honesty and humility ..... you also lack the intelegence of debate.
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Now go and post against someone that is prepared to fully read and discus the twaddle that you spew out.
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Sleep tight

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
If Labour had not put the UK in this terrible position ( 64% of our income going on interest payments )then their would be more money for all. Labour politicians were spending our money on their groceries,second home repairs etc ( the caring party don't make me laugh).

Shame that you hae a vey short memory ......... perhaps you are one of the vulnerable thats having the payments cut.
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So its 64% is it ....... well as the Tory borrowing as well as the debt has increased then they will be paying even MORE than the 64% interest ..
.
You may also have noticed that Tory and Lib Dum politicians were ALL treating themselves on expenses so cut the cr@p and open your eyes.
,
.... and after nearly TWO YEARS its time to take some responsibilty for the shocking decisions that this coalition has made as opposed to continually playing the blame game.
.

Lone Ranger don't give me that old chestnut as you know as well as I do many families can't be bothered with the old.
They get upset when no one else looks after them but seem to forget who scrimped & scrapped to give them what they wanted.
I know a lady that escorts handicapped/disabled children to school & some of these parents will send them no matter how ill they are.
one parent lived next door to the school but she was entitled to have someone to take her son to school so she was going to get what she was entitled to.
I will quote socialist values at you as I was bought up by a socialist I went & listened to Harold Wilson & voted Labour up until Kinnock went & Young & then Blair took over.
the whole welfare system was to look after the vulnerable not look after family members that the family can't or won't be bothered with.

You talk utter rubbish.
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You just dont see it do you ..... you cant see that some people are less fortunate than you ..... you cant see that some folk just dont have families can you.
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Everything is about you ..... you have more experiences in your short life than anybody..... no matter what someone tells you then you have had it worse ....... quote any circumstances and you have either seen it or done it.
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I am not interested in your "quotes" as they are just make believe put together by your imagination to try and win a debate.
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You have no idea of Socialist values only the the value of a Tory ideals ...... you lack honesty and humility ..... you also lack the intelegence of debate.
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Now go and post against someone that is prepared to fully read and discus the twaddle that you spew out.
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Sleep tight

I hope your looking at yourself in the mirror when you come out with this garbage.
My last next door neighbour son lived in Kent I & my other neighbour use to go in & offer her help I would do her garden my friend would do her shopping we looked in on her all the time it's called being good neighbours.
If there's no one else I can see the need for carers but you can't come out with the above rant without admitting that in many cases the family don't believe it's there responsibility.
My dad was in Knick my mum hit us with pokers & what ever she could get her hands on & she sent us to work as soon as she could (log,milk,Paper rounds) so I don't know where you get your ridiculous ideas about me from

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well said GEORGE4TH, we look after our family, and we also help others, we all should, that's the Tory way.

Could you please indicate where on earth you have witnessed a Tory politician helping others, that wasn't in some way helping themselves, lining their pockets or getting a bunk up!?

More rose tinted glasses...

David Cameron

Hahahahahaha

Best joke i've heard in a while thanks George4th

Having discussed this with my elderly grandmother, we have determined that *the family* will do all we can to make her life comfortable until which time she may need help from the state.

She said to me 'there are plenty out there less fortunate than me, I don't want to live on state hand outs'.

I only wish there were more like her.

Taskforce 141 wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well said GEORGE4TH, we look after our family, and we also help others, we all should, that's the Tory way.

Could you please indicate where on earth you have witnessed a Tory politician helping others, that wasn't in some way helping themselves, lining their pockets or getting a bunk up!?

More rose tinted glasses...

David Cameron

Hahahahahaha

Best joke i've heard in a while thanks George4th

So how would you describe a man who was devoted to his severely disabled son and his badly disabled father?

A Dad and a Son!

And without trying to sound callous, its his own family and by default doesn't count as helping others!

Taskforce 141 wrote:
A Dad and a Son!

And without trying to sound callous, its his own family and by default doesn't count as helping others!

You asked a question and I gave you the answer. If you wanted a different answer then you should have asked a different question. And yes, you do sound callous. Perhaps you would like to volunteer some of your time towards helping the infirm and the disabled?

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
A Dad and a Son!

And without trying to sound callous, its his own family and by default doesn't count as helping others!

You asked a question and I gave you the answer. If you wanted a different answer then you should have asked a different question. And yes, you do sound callous. Perhaps you would like to volunteer some of your time towards helping the infirm and the disabled?

Come on now!

You should know by now that it's a lot cheaper & convenient to take the moral high ground & moan endlessly on a corner of the internet somewhere rather than actually getting off your bottom to help!

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
A Dad and a Son!

And without trying to sound callous, its his own family and by default doesn't count as helping others!

You asked a question and I gave you the answer. If you wanted a different answer then you should have asked a different question. And yes, you do sound callous. Perhaps you would like to volunteer some of your time towards helping the infirm and the disabled?

I asked for an example where he helped others when he didn't benefit himself...

His son and dad are prime examples of helping himself/his family and not others!

I thought with a simple worded question there might be a straight answer, but that clearly went over your head. Never mind

And FYI i do give up time to help organisations and charities, let me ask you, do you help others?

Shoong wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
A Dad and a Son!

And without trying to sound callous, its his own family and by default doesn't count as helping others!

You asked a question and I gave you the answer. If you wanted a different answer then you should have asked a different question. And yes, you do sound callous. Perhaps you would like to volunteer some of your time towards helping the infirm and the disabled?

Come on now!

You should know by now that it's a lot cheaper & convenient to take the moral high ground & moan endlessly on a corner of the internet somewhere rather than actually getting off your bottom to help!

you should know with 'jump on' comments like that.

How about you stop your moaning and start doing!

I give up my time for others, so i am slightly just to stand on some moral high ground when people like yourself merely snipe at others.

douche!

Taskforce 141 wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
A Dad and a Son!

And without trying to sound callous, its his own family and by default doesn't count as helping others!

You asked a question and I gave you the answer. If you wanted a different answer then you should have asked a different question. And yes, you do sound callous. Perhaps you would like to volunteer some of your time towards helping the infirm and the disabled?

I asked for an example where he helped others when he didn't benefit himself...

His son and dad are prime examples of helping himself/his family and not others!

I thought with a simple worded question there might be a straight answer, but that clearly went over your head. Never mind

And FYI i do give up time to help organisations and charities, let me ask you, do you help others?

A man who shows his feelings towards his family in the way David Cameron does, has my respect. I would rather judge the man on that criteria than any criteria I saw from Blair, Browne, Mandelson et al.
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I totally respect everyone who takes care of their own. Sadly, I have come across too many people who make every excuse under the sun to avoid their responsibilities. There are too many people being taken care of by the State who should be taken of by their families.
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As to my contribution? Well, you'll have to wonder!

Taskforce 141 wrote:

Shoong wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
A Dad and a Son!

And without trying to sound callous, its his own family and by default doesn't count as helping others!

You asked a question and I gave you the answer. If you wanted a different answer then you should have asked a different question. And yes, you do sound callous. Perhaps you would like to volunteer some of your time towards helping the infirm and the disabled?

Come on now!

You should know by now that it's a lot cheaper & convenient to take the moral high ground & moan endlessly on a corner of the internet somewhere rather than actually getting off your bottom to help!

you should know with 'jump on' comments like that.

How about you stop your moaning and start doing!

I give up my time for others, so i am slightly just to stand on some moral high ground when people like yourself merely snipe at others.

douche!

'Jump on'?

Isn't that the message I was trying to get across?

You give up your time for others?

Yes of course you do! Can't prove it though can you so I guess I'll just to take 'your word' for it.

And I'm the douche...

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
A Dad and a Son!

And without trying to sound callous, its his own family and by default doesn't count as helping others!

You asked a question and I gave you the answer. If you wanted a different answer then you should have asked a different question. And yes, you do sound callous. Perhaps you would like to volunteer some of your time towards helping the infirm and the disabled?

I asked for an example where he helped others when he didn't benefit himself...

His son and dad are prime examples of helping himself/his family and not others!

I thought with a simple worded question there might be a straight answer, but that clearly went over your head. Never mind

And FYI i do give up time to help organisations and charities, let me ask you, do you help others?

A man who shows his feelings towards his family in the way David Cameron does, has my respect. I would rather judge the man on that criteria than any criteria I saw from Blair, Browne, Mandelson et al.
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I totally respect everyone who takes care of their own. Sadly, I have come across too many people who make every excuse under the sun to avoid their responsibilities. There are too many people being taken care of by the State who should be taken of by their families.
>
As to my contribution? Well, you'll have to wonder!

There are people who make excuses, but there are also people who have no one, no friends no family and no loved ones to take care of them, so without the state these people would be condemned. Yes people abuse the system but lets crack down on them, not all who use the system.

I have no need to wonder, its pretty obvious you do sweet F.A. Its nice to see tory supporters undertaken the current creed of 'in it together'!

Shoong wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

Shoong wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
A Dad and a Son!

And without trying to sound callous, its his own family and by default doesn't count as helping others!

You asked a question and I gave you the answer. If you wanted a different answer then you should have asked a different question. And yes, you do sound callous. Perhaps you would like to volunteer some of your time towards helping the infirm and the disabled?

Come on now!

You should know by now that it's a lot cheaper & convenient to take the moral high ground & moan endlessly on a corner of the internet somewhere rather than actually getting off your bottom to help!

you should know with 'jump on' comments like that.

How about you stop your moaning and start doing!

I give up my time for others, so i am slightly just to stand on some moral high ground when people like yourself merely snipe at others.

douche!

'Jump on'?

Isn't that the message I was trying to get across?

You give up your time for others?

Yes of course you do! Can't prove it though can you so I guess I'll just to take 'your word' for it.

And I'm the douche...

No, you jumped in on a debate/discussion with your clown feet and then placing both hands firmly round the wrong end of the stick, as you are definitely now not making sense.

You can take my word for it or not, but don't accuse people of not aiding without at least first asking.

I have nothing to prove to a simpleton such as yourself, I know what work I do, as do my friends, family and colleagues, so yes, you are the douche...

Taskforce 141 wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
A Dad and a Son!

And without trying to sound callous, its his own family and by default doesn't count as helping others!

You asked a question and I gave you the answer. If you wanted a different answer then you should have asked a different question. And yes, you do sound callous. Perhaps you would like to volunteer some of your time towards helping the infirm and the disabled?

I asked for an example where he helped others when he didn't benefit himself...

His son and dad are prime examples of helping himself/his family and not others!

I thought with a simple worded question there might be a straight answer, but that clearly went over your head. Never mind

And FYI i do give up time to help organisations and charities, let me ask you, do you help others?

A man who shows his feelings towards his family in the way David Cameron does, has my respect. I would rather judge the man on that criteria than any criteria I saw from Blair, Browne, Mandelson et al.
>
I totally respect everyone who takes care of their own. Sadly, I have come across too many people who make every excuse under the sun to avoid their responsibilities. There are too many people being taken care of by the State who should be taken of by their families.
>
As to my contribution? Well, you'll have to wonder!

There are people who make excuses, but there are also people who have no one, no friends no family and no loved ones to take care of them, so without the state these people would be condemned. Yes people abuse the system but lets crack down on them, not all who use the system.

I have no need to wonder, its pretty obvious you do sweet F.A. Its nice to see tory supporters undertaken the current creed of 'in it together'!

Yes, I agree, there are some people who end up with no one and the State should take care of them, and does. However, anyone else who has close relatives should take care of their own - it's about time the State started to enforce it! (Look at other communities who take care of their own - they put the Brits to shame!)
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As to your personal comments about me, I resent it. You know nothing about me.
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You are a hypocrite. We have to take your word for whatever you do but you don't apply the same rule to others!!

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
A Dad and a Son!

And without trying to sound callous, its his own family and by default doesn't count as helping others!

You asked a question and I gave you the answer. If you wanted a different answer then you should have asked a different question. And yes, you do sound callous. Perhaps you would like to volunteer some of your time towards helping the infirm and the disabled?

I asked for an example where he helped others when he didn't benefit himself...

His son and dad are prime examples of helping himself/his family and not others!

I thought with a simple worded question there might be a straight answer, but that clearly went over your head. Never mind

And FYI i do give up time to help organisations and charities, let me ask you, do you help others?

A man who shows his feelings towards his family in the way David Cameron does, has my respect. I would rather judge the man on that criteria than any criteria I saw from Blair, Browne, Mandelson et al.
>
I totally respect everyone who takes care of their own. Sadly, I have come across too many people who make every excuse under the sun to avoid their responsibilities. There are too many people being taken care of by the State who should be taken of by their families.
>
As to my contribution? Well, you'll have to wonder!

There are people who make excuses, but there are also people who have no one, no friends no family and no loved ones to take care of them, so without the state these people would be condemned. Yes people abuse the system but lets crack down on them, not all who use the system.

I have no need to wonder, its pretty obvious you do sweet F.A. Its nice to see tory supporters undertaken the current creed of 'in it together'!

Yes, I agree, there are some people who end up with no one and the State should take care of them, and does. However, anyone else who has close relatives should take care of their own - it's about time the State started to enforce it! (Look at other communities who take care of their own - they put the Brits to shame!)
>
As to your personal comments about me, I resent it. You know nothing about me.
>
You are a hypocrite. We have to take your word for whatever you do but you don't apply the same rule to others!!

Can resent all you want fella, you are correct, I know jack about you and you know jack about me, though that did not stop you casting prejudgements, and now the same has happened to you, you are not happy. Yet it is I who is the hypocrite?...

You implied, i answered, i asked, you avoided - which is a deflection tactic and similar to that of not looking someone in the eye when lying. You did and have not indicated you help others, so your last sentence makes no sense. I am happy to take your word, but your word was not given...

You may want to think a little more before thumping the keyboard to try and make sentences and not be so fast to come to conclusions.

Taskforce 141 wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

George4th wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
A Dad and a Son!

And without trying to sound callous, its his own family and by default doesn't count as helping others!

You asked a question and I gave you the answer. If you wanted a different answer then you should have asked a different question. And yes, you do sound callous. Perhaps you would like to volunteer some of your time towards helping the infirm and the disabled?

I asked for an example where he helped others when he didn't benefit himself...

His son and dad are prime examples of helping himself/his family and not others!

I thought with a simple worded question there might be a straight answer, but that clearly went over your head. Never mind

And FYI i do give up time to help organisations and charities, let me ask you, do you help others?

A man who shows his feelings towards his family in the way David Cameron does, has my respect. I would rather judge the man on that criteria than any criteria I saw from Blair, Browne, Mandelson et al.
>
I totally respect everyone who takes care of their own. Sadly, I have come across too many people who make every excuse under the sun to avoid their responsibilities. There are too many people being taken care of by the State who should be taken of by their families.
>
As to my contribution? Well, you'll have to wonder!

There are people who make excuses, but there are also people who have no one, no friends no family and no loved ones to take care of them, so without the state these people would be condemned. Yes people abuse the system but lets crack down on them, not all who use the system.

I have no need to wonder, its pretty obvious you do sweet F.A. Its nice to see tory supporters undertaken the current creed of 'in it together'!

Yes, I agree, there are some people who end up with no one and the State should take care of them, and does. However, anyone else who has close relatives should take care of their own - it's about time the State started to enforce it! (Look at other communities who take care of their own - they put the Brits to shame!)
>
As to your personal comments about me, I resent it. You know nothing about me.
>
You are a hypocrite. We have to take your word for whatever you do but you don't apply the same rule to others!!

Can resent all you want fella, you are correct, I know jack about you and you know jack about me, though that did not stop you casting prejudgements, and now the same has happened to you, you are not happy. Yet it is I who is the hypocrite?...

You implied, i answered, i asked, you avoided - which is a deflection tactic and similar to that of not looking someone in the eye when lying. You did and have not indicated you help others, so your last sentence makes no sense. I am happy to take your word, but your word was not given...

You may want to think a little more before thumping the keyboard to try and make sentences and not be so fast to come to conclusions.

Taskforce I have been ripped into on this article by other posters.
My mother spent most of her day up my nans house looking after her until she died.we ended up the sports centre in the school holidays.
I have helped more than one elderly woman,one lived in Regents Park road her house needed a lot of repairs & modernisation, her garden was over grown get the picture?
I went up I cut her grass,weeded & broke my mower,At Christmas My company gave us a large food hamper I tried to give this to her but she wouldn't accept it all so I let her take what she wanted
now what got me was her family pulled up in a big flash motor gave her a Christmas card & went? they would get the house when the lady passed away so why not keep it up together with the car they had & I knew them & they had plenty of money so they could afford it so why didn't they do it? They couldn't be bothered.
I also have offered to teach elderly people how to use the internet I expect & would not accept any payment for it.
I do believe that people have responsibilities like taking care of your children & looking out for your parents in old age.
Some people don't want their parent to sell up & move into a home as they would lose their inheritance yet they won't look after them they expect every one else to pay for their carers.
When will people get it into their heads this country is £1 trillion in debt this was not all the bankers fault & these austerity measures would have to take place one day