Jobless oil workers in refinery demonstration (From Daily Echo)

Another attemp to break the National Agreement, Linsey Oil Refinery Strike comes to mind, where the Unions won there case, and enforcing on the Refinery owners and contractors to keep to the National Agreement.
This German Contractor will bring in its own work force to help break the National Agreement.

southy wrote:
Another attemp to break the National Agreement, Linsey Oil Refinery Strike comes to mind, where the Unions won there case, and enforcing on the Refinery owners and contractors to keep to the National Agreement.
This German Contractor will bring in its own work force to help break the National Agreement.

When you've lived and worked on the continent it is glaringly obvious that there is a huge difference in attitude between the UK workers and those from the other countries of Europe. The contractor isn't expressing a preference for Europeans or a dislike of the UK workforce, the merits of the continental workforce simply outweigh the UK. The pay cannot fall below the legal level required but the European workforce is realistic about the prospect of employment and go to the UK with the correct mindset to complete the job on time. It's hard but thats life today.

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:
Another attemp to break the National Agreement, Linsey Oil Refinery Strike comes to mind, where the Unions won there case, and enforcing on the Refinery owners and contractors to keep to the National Agreement.
This German Contractor will bring in its own work force to help break the National Agreement.

When you've lived and worked on the continent it is glaringly obvious that there is a huge difference in attitude between the UK workers and those from the other countries of Europe. The contractor isn't expressing a preference for Europeans or a dislike of the UK workforce, the merits of the continental workforce simply outweigh the UK. The pay cannot fall below the legal level required but the European workforce is realistic about the prospect of employment and go to the UK with the correct mindset to complete the job on time. It's hard but thats life today.

You know so little what is really going on Torchie, same sort of things that your coming out with are the same sort of things that came just before Linsey Oil Refinery contract started.
They only bring out side workers from another country to pay less, work more hours just to break the National Agreement, this will be the 3rd Refinery that they would of tired, these contractors that our brought in are not even on the Oil Industary Contruction list, and they will not tell there work force that there is a National agreement, We have nothing against these workers from over seas, they don't work harder nor do they work less harder than any other worker, its the contractors them selfs they do not want to get them selfs regeristered with the oil industary, This is going to end up as a strike, to make sure these overseas workers are paid and work with in the National agreement, the same way how it was done at the Linsey Oil Refinery Strike, where the BNP and the EDL got chase off the picket lines because of there false right wing propaganda.

Tell me Torchie1 do you know what the blue book is. Suggest you find out and read it before posting again.

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:
Another attemp to break the National Agreement, Linsey Oil Refinery Strike comes to mind, where the Unions won there case, and enforcing on the Refinery owners and contractors to keep to the National Agreement.
This German Contractor will bring in its own work force to help break the National Agreement.

When you've lived and worked on the continent it is glaringly obvious that there is a huge difference in attitude between the UK workers and those from the other countries of Europe. The contractor isn't expressing a preference for Europeans or a dislike of the UK workforce, the merits of the continental workforce simply outweigh the UK. The pay cannot fall below the legal level required but the European workforce is realistic about the prospect of employment and go to the UK with the correct mindset to complete the job on time. It's hard but thats life today.

You know so little what is really going on Torchie, same sort of things that your coming out with are the same sort of things that came just before Linsey Oil Refinery contract started.
They only bring out side workers from another country to pay less, work more hours just to break the National Agreement, this will be the 3rd Refinery that they would of tired, these contractors that our brought in are not even on the Oil Industary Contruction list, and they will not tell there work force that there is a National agreement, We have nothing against these workers from over seas, they don't work harder nor do they work less harder than any other worker, its the contractors them selfs they do not want to get them selfs regeristered with the oil industary, This is going to end up as a strike, to make sure these overseas workers are paid and work with in the National agreement, the same way how it was done at the Linsey Oil Refinery Strike, where the BNP and the EDL got chase off the picket lines because of there false right wing propaganda.

Perhaps it would have been quicker if you had just said that the union calls the shots whether the employer likes it or not. Unfortunately your heyday of causing trouble died in the 1970s along with the various sections of industry that the unions thought they could use to hold employers or governments to ransom. You hang on to a tiny 'victory' at the Lindsey (Correct spelling) oil refinery in the same way that you cherish the extra vote you gained recently in the council elections because you cannot bear the thought that you are yesterdays news and you're on the road to nowhere. Perhaps you should contact the workers at Coryton and ask them how they feel now that Petroplus has thrown in the towel because it can't make money. Possibly you alone are unaware that the refinery at Fawley is the only one in the UK not currently for sale and they are struggling to keep it that way.

So they are happy for Migrant (Foreign is considered to be un PC Union & Echo!) workers to come to Fawley, as long as they are being paid the same or more than their British counter parts.
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Why is it then that the Unions stay quiet over the vast amounts of migrant workers being taken on from Poland and Romania on lucrative Matchtech contracts earning in some circumstances more than double the permanent staff workers.
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Recently I have heard they have taken on another batch of Romanian staff through Matchtech earning themselves a tidy £29 p/h compared to staff who are on around £14.

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:
Another attemp to break the National Agreement, Linsey Oil Refinery Strike comes to mind, where the Unions won there case, and enforcing on the Refinery owners and contractors to keep to the National Agreement.
This German Contractor will bring in its own work force to help break the National Agreement.

When you've lived and worked on the continent it is glaringly obvious that there is a huge difference in attitude between the UK workers and those from the other countries of Europe. The contractor isn't expressing a preference for Europeans or a dislike of the UK workforce, the merits of the continental workforce simply outweigh the UK. The pay cannot fall below the legal level required but the European workforce is realistic about the prospect of employment and go to the UK with the correct mindset to complete the job on time. It's hard but thats life today.

You know so little what is really going on Torchie, same sort of things that your coming out with are the same sort of things that came just before Linsey Oil Refinery contract started.
They only bring out side workers from another country to pay less, work more hours just to break the National Agreement, this will be the 3rd Refinery that they would of tired, these contractors that our brought in are not even on the Oil Industary Contruction list, and they will not tell there work force that there is a National agreement, We have nothing against these workers from over seas, they don't work harder nor do they work less harder than any other worker, its the contractors them selfs they do not want to get them selfs regeristered with the oil industary, This is going to end up as a strike, to make sure these overseas workers are paid and work with in the National agreement, the same way how it was done at the Linsey Oil Refinery Strike, where the BNP and the EDL got chase off the picket lines because of there false right wing propaganda.

Perhaps it would have been quicker if you had just said that the union calls the shots whether the employer likes it or not. Unfortunately your heyday of causing trouble died in the 1970s along with the various sections of industry that the unions thought they could use to hold employers or governments to ransom. You hang on to a tiny 'victory' at the Lindsey (Correct spelling) oil refinery in the same way that you cherish the extra vote you gained recently in the council elections because you cannot bear the thought that you are yesterdays news and you're on the road to nowhere. Perhaps you should contact the workers at Coryton and ask them how they feel now that Petroplus has thrown in the towel because it can't make money. Possibly you alone are unaware that the refinery at Fawley is the only one in the UK not currently for sale and they are struggling to keep it that way.

Less of your false propaganda, there is only one refinery thats been sold and is dept and that was some one who tired to start an independant one and bitten off more they can chew, Most of the Oil Refinerys are owned by one of the big 7 oil companys and will never go broke.
It was not a little victory at Linsey oil refinery, it was a big blow to those who tired to break the Blue book National Agreement, and if that victory was not won the rest of the uk oil refinerys where getting ready to come out in support.

Southy, the blue book went out of being a few years ago, so get upto date please. What was in the blue book has no relevance whats so ever and I even no the name of the Branch Sec who got this in with the help of everybody in the refinery and nobody lost out. Get your facts right Southy.

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:
Another attemp to break the National Agreement, Linsey Oil Refinery Strike comes to mind, where the Unions won there case, and enforcing on the Refinery owners and contractors to keep to the National Agreement.
This German Contractor will bring in its own work force to help break the National Agreement.

When you've lived and worked on the continent it is glaringly obvious that there is a huge difference in attitude between the UK workers and those from the other countries of Europe. The contractor isn't expressing a preference for Europeans or a dislike of the UK workforce, the merits of the continental workforce simply outweigh the UK. The pay cannot fall below the legal level required but the European workforce is realistic about the prospect of employment and go to the UK with the correct mindset to complete the job on time. It's hard but thats life today.

You know so little what is really going on Torchie, same sort of things that your coming out with are the same sort of things that came just before Linsey Oil Refinery contract started.
They only bring out side workers from another country to pay less, work more hours just to break the National Agreement, this will be the 3rd Refinery that they would of tired, these contractors that our brought in are not even on the Oil Industary Contruction list, and they will not tell there work force that there is a National agreement, We have nothing against these workers from over seas, they don't work harder nor do they work less harder than any other worker, its the contractors them selfs they do not want to get them selfs regeristered with the oil industary, This is going to end up as a strike, to make sure these overseas workers are paid and work with in the National agreement, the same way how it was done at the Linsey Oil Refinery Strike, where the BNP and the EDL got chase off the picket lines because of there false right wing propaganda.

Perhaps it would have been quicker if you had just said that the union calls the shots whether the employer likes it or not. Unfortunately your heyday of causing trouble died in the 1970s along with the various sections of industry that the unions thought they could use to hold employers or governments to ransom. You hang on to a tiny 'victory' at the Lindsey (Correct spelling) oil refinery in the same way that you cherish the extra vote you gained recently in the council elections because you cannot bear the thought that you are yesterdays news and you're on the road to nowhere. Perhaps you should contact the workers at Coryton and ask them how they feel now that Petroplus has thrown in the towel because it can't make money. Possibly you alone are unaware that the refinery at Fawley is the only one in the UK not currently for sale and they are struggling to keep it that way.

Less of your false propaganda, there is only one refinery thats been sold and is dept and that was some one who tired to start an independant one and bitten off more they can chew, Most of the Oil Refinerys are owned by one of the big 7 oil companys and will never go broke.
It was not a little victory at Linsey oil refinery, it was a big blow to those who tired to break the Blue book National Agreement, and if that victory was not won the rest of the uk oil refinerys where getting ready to come out in support.

Perhaps your comforting words should be made known to the head of Essar Energy which owns Stanlow refinery and he predicted that other closures will follow Coryton unless things change in the market. Perhaps you should get them all out on strike and tell him what your demands are, I'm sure the redundancy package will be favourable. As you didn't seem to understand it the first time, I'll repeat that the only refinery in the UK that isn't available for sale is Fawley and overseas workers are helping to secure its future.

"Refinerys are owned by one of the big 7 oil companys and will never go broke.".....words of wisdom courtesy of he who 'knows' everything. According to the Institute of Petroleum there were 23 UK refinerys in 1970 and 13 in 1994. Today the list has only 7 names on it. More efficient units lie over the water and it may one day be all piped in or brought by tanker, but you can stand proud and tell the unemployed workers that you stood up for their rights! You might then be able to explain the benefits of your little blue book.

The Coryton closure hasn't discriminated between contract or resident workers, most have lost their jobs, why?

Go home please

Mewling Quim wrote:
Go home please

Who?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Mewling Quim wrote:
Go home please

Who?

Arc at you with all questions. Try a statement, much more provoking.

Mewling Quim wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Mewling Quim wrote:
Go home please

Who?

Arc at you with all questions. Try a statement, much more provoking.

Either say something other people can understand or back off. At least we had a good argument going. Question - Are you going to add something useful or not?