Council to unveil new job losses (From Daily Echo)

“The Sunderland Way” Basically instead of giving you any redundancy money they redeploy you as a paper packer and use your redundancy entitlement to fund that role for 8 months before giving you the chop…

Sounds like a more graceful way of carrying out unpleasant business.

Licencing multiple occupancy homes sounds like a good idea. More and more subdivided properties popping up all over. I think a thorough survey of existing properties + planning permissions would turn up some missed council income as well.

possibly, but i hope they still give the unlucky ones the redundancy payment option.

I hope so too.

Not that I'm pro-cuts but if it has to happen I hope they start at the top.

Maybe they could start with the Councillors.

I work for SCC and sadly if the last two cuts are anything to go by then the cuts come from the bottom!

Why am I not surprised that the Labour Council is still cutting jobs, though dressed up in another way?!
If pay cuts saved jobs then surely that's preferable to losing your job altogether? How come only those of us in the private sector who've gone through several redundancies in our careers could appreciate that?!
But, having said that, pay cuts should also happen (in the same or higher proportions) at the most senior levels of the Council and no senior members of the Council (nor any other employees there) should be receiving a bonus whilst cost cuts are necessary. They should be leading by example.
Better to cut bonuses first, too, then salaries.

Hang on a sec...

Poppy22 wrote:
Why am I not surprised that the Labour Council is still cutting jobs, though dressed up in another way?!
If pay cuts saved jobs then surely that's preferable to losing your job altogether? How come only those of us in the private sector who've gone through several redundancies in our careers could appreciate that?!
But, having said that, pay cuts should also happen (in the same or higher proportions) at the most senior levels of the Council and no senior members of the Council (nor any other employees there) should be receiving a bonus whilst cost cuts are necessary. They should be leading by example.
Better to cut bonuses first, too, then salaries.

Ever tried to fire yourself..? ;)

jimmy.little wrote:
I work for SCC and sadly if the last two cuts are anything to go by then the cuts come from the bottom!

Convenient for those suffering from haemorrhoids.

Linesman wrote:

jimmy.little wrote:
I work for SCC and sadly if the last two cuts are anything to go by then the cuts come from the bottom!

Convenient for those suffering from haemorrhoids.

lol very good :)

jimmy.little wrote:

Linesman wrote:

jimmy.little wrote:
I work for SCC and sadly if the last two cuts are anything to go by then the cuts come from the bottom!

Convenient for those suffering from haemorrhoids.

lol very good :)

Comes from sitting on your arse all day I hear.

Only joking, keep up the great work!

The main reason SCC is in a mess is due to getting into bed with those parasites capita. Capita have sucked all the cash out of the city council And the city.

billyboybob wrote:
The main reason SCC is in a mess is due to getting into bed with those parasites capita. Capita have sucked all the cash out of the city council And the city.

Totally agree. I wish more people knew and took it seriously.

jimmy.little wrote:
I work for SCC and sadly if the last two cuts are anything to go by then the cuts come from the bottom!

Jimmy this labour council said no job cuts when the Echo reported that 1-10 refuse jobs were to go now we see these jobs will go & these people are being duped out of their redundancy pay.
the restored pay is not for a year so they don't get the wage increase for eight months & if no jobs become available they're out of work?
We've heard constant slating of Royston & the last Tory council but they & the liberals took the same percentage cut in wages they asked the higher paid council staff to take 5.5% Labour refused to take the cut now they've paid £44,000 out by making to posts of which each Labour councillor will get £22,000 a year for a post that was not needed under the tories( jobs for the party?).
Make redundancies now do you pay on the restored rate or the present rate?
look good no redundancies but a loss of jobs in 8months?
you were told straight out what the Tories were doing but Labour have lied to & now they are trying to hide job losses.
What next fortnightly collections?
They saw the deficit for this year yet slated proposed Tory cuts why?
Now we'll see what a load of lies they told us to get elected won't we?

Bin Men Street cleaners graffiti removal operators pest controllers all to be sub contracted out.

It happened in Pompey and ended up a total mess

If Unison and Unite don't strike now we'll know that the industrial action last year was targetted at the Tory administation. I challenge Tucker et al to take action immediately, otherwise all they've done is bullied the electorate into voting for a rubbish council.

Poppy22 wrote:
Why am I not surprised that the Labour Council is still cutting jobs, though dressed up in another way?!
If pay cuts saved jobs then surely that's preferable to losing your job altogether? How come only those of us in the private sector who've gone through several redundancies in our careers could appreciate that?!
But, having said that, pay cuts should also happen (in the same or higher proportions) at the most senior levels of the Council and no senior members of the Council (nor any other employees there) should be receiving a bonus whilst cost cuts are necessary. They should be leading by example.
Better to cut bonuses first, too, then salaries.

It's very sad that most likely the people at the bottom will go. I'm used to being lied to by labour. (And every other government.)

It would be too logical to cut bonuses then salaries.

Hoping the people who are cut find jobs soon.

loosehead wrote:

jimmy.little wrote:
I work for SCC and sadly if the last two cuts are anything to go by then the cuts come from the bottom!

Jimmy this labour council said no job cuts when the Echo reported that 1-10 refuse jobs were to go now we see these jobs will go & these people are being duped out of their redundancy pay.
the restored pay is not for a year so they don't get the wage increase for eight months & if no jobs become available they're out of work?
We've heard constant slating of Royston & the last Tory council but they & the liberals took the same percentage cut in wages they asked the higher paid council staff to take 5.5% Labour refused to take the cut now they've paid £44,000 out by making to posts of which each Labour councillor will get £22,000 a year for a post that was not needed under the tories( jobs for the party?).
Make redundancies now do you pay on the restored rate or the present rate?
look good no redundancies but a loss of jobs in 8months?
you were told straight out what the Tories were doing but Labour have lied to & now they are trying to hide job losses.
What next fortnightly collections?
They saw the deficit for this year yet slated proposed Tory cuts why?
Now we'll see what a load of lies they told us to get elected won't we?

yes very true, i don't want to comment to much being *currently* employed by SCC. but sadly the "all politicians are the same" line springs to mind. I guess we will wait and see to what is announced this week.

At the end of the day you have to be grateful when you have a job in this day and age.

Come on you labour hypocrites where are your pathetic strikes now, oh wait of course you were just trying to hijack our democracy with your thuggish communist ideals.

Everyone said vote labour and they will lie and cut jobs anyway, but you sheep never learn. You only have your selves to blame, roll on the next election and the return of common sense conservative governance.

loosehead wrote:

jimmy.little wrote:
I work for SCC and sadly if the last two cuts are anything to go by then the cuts come from the bottom!

Jimmy this labour council said no job cuts when the Echo reported that 1-10 refuse jobs were to go now we see these jobs will go & these people are being duped out of their redundancy pay.
the restored pay is not for a year so they don't get the wage increase for eight months & if no jobs become available they're out of work?
We've heard constant slating of Royston & the last Tory council but they & the liberals took the same percentage cut in wages they asked the higher paid council staff to take 5.5% Labour refused to take the cut now they've paid £44,000 out by making to posts of which each Labour councillor will get £22,000 a year for a post that was not needed under the tories( jobs for the party?).
Make redundancies now do you pay on the restored rate or the present rate?
look good no redundancies but a loss of jobs in 8months?
you were told straight out what the Tories were doing but Labour have lied to & now they are trying to hide job losses.
What next fortnightly collections?
They saw the deficit for this year yet slated proposed Tory cuts why?
Now we'll see what a load of lies they told us to get elected won't we?

They always call it management/employmen
t restructuring. Very sad news considering these are the people who actually do work and help us.

Conservatives, New Labour what exactly is the difference?

It will be interesting to see the Unions reaction after Richard Williams was on the marches with them last year against the pay cuts.

-stiv- wrote:
I hope so too. Not that I'm pro-cuts but if it has to happen I hope they start at the top.

They never start at the top, always the bottom and hit the people who need the jobs the most, I had high hopes for this new council, but they are all the same, it's an absolute disgrace!!!

Ospreysaint, to answer your question, local Tories Royston/Moulton told the truth, and Labour lied.
Union leaders and Labour are a disgrace, they lie and send a terrible example to the young.
As a Tax payer, I don't want to pay for Tuckers salary, the Unions should do that.
Tories for the workers, Labour councillors for themselves, give me give me councillors £22000 more for cabinet members.
Decent Tory and Liberal councillors took a pay cut Labour councillors refused and sacked the workers instead. Bad Labour,sad Labour.

When real socialists like Southy and TUSC tried to tell the truth that these NuLabourites will hardly be any different than administration led by Cllr. Smith many, including some lefties on this site ridiculed. Now the facts are starting to prove what I wrote around election time i.e. change of personalities but not the policies.

At least with Cllr. Smith we knew what he was all about. But I cannot say the same about NuLabour’s flip flopping ‘Dear Leader’ Cllr. Williams.

These NuLabourites, bar very few exceptions, are more slippery than even snakes. Mostly dodgy and dishonest lovers of liars are only good at misleading their faithful followers. They have dragged the good name of Labour into their own Blair rite gutter.

In my view, Sunderland model NuLabourites talk about is seductive trick for cheating on entitlement to redundancy payments.

If I was Council worker, I rather be told the real truth than ‘Dear Leader’ holding on to my redundancy money for balancing his own books and putting me in a soul destroying non-job in which I will get frustrated and basically forced to leave constructively.

In democracy we can only get what majority actually votes for. In Southampton people opted for FAKE socialists so we all will have to pay the price for NuLabour’s hidden right wing agenda, which will be implemented with extreme arrogance, as exhibited by most of their councillors at the last Council meeting; while self effacing themselves and metaphorically speaking, kissing the back side of their Dear Leader.

Where are all the strikes then? There have been no reports of any planned once the Conservatives lost the last Council elections you say..?

Well I never, what a strange world we inhabit!

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
When real socialists like Southy and TUSC tried to tell the truth that these NuLabourites will hardly be any different than administration led by Cllr. Smith many, including some lefties on this site ridiculed. Now the facts are starting to prove what I wrote around election time i.e. change of personalities but not the policies.

At least with Cllr. Smith we knew what he was all about. But I cannot say the same about NuLabour’s flip flopping ‘Dear Leader’ Cllr. Williams.

These NuLabourites, bar very few exceptions, are more slippery than even snakes. Mostly dodgy and dishonest lovers of liars are only good at misleading their faithful followers. They have dragged the good name of Labour into their own Blair rite gutter.

In my view, Sunderland model NuLabourites talk about is seductive trick for cheating on entitlement to redundancy payments.

If I was Council worker, I rather be told the real truth than ‘Dear Leader’ holding on to my redundancy money for balancing his own books and putting me in a soul destroying non-job in which I will get frustrated and basically forced to leave constructively.

In democracy we can only get what majority actually votes for. In Southampton people opted for FAKE socialists so we all will have to pay the price for NuLabour’s hidden right wing agenda, which will be implemented with extreme arrogance, as exhibited by most of their councillors at the last Council meeting; while self effacing themselves and metaphorically speaking, kissing the back side of their Dear Leader.

'Mostly dodgy and dishonest lovers of liars are only good at misleading their faithful followers. They have dragged the good name of Labour into their own Blair rite gutter.'

Comedy gold, keep it coming.

Condor Man wrote:
If Unison and Unite don't strike now we'll know that the industrial action last year was targetted at the Tory administation. I challenge Tucker et al to take action immediately, otherwise all they've done is bullied the electorate into voting for a rubbish council.

Condor Man, I have to agree, that can be a very valid argument. It could be god's gift to anti unions lobby.

Unlike you I won’t say they have bullied the electorate, but possibly misled.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Condor Man wrote:
If Unison and Unite don't strike now we'll know that the industrial action last year was targetted at the Tory administation. I challenge Tucker et al to take action immediately, otherwise all they've done is bullied the electorate into voting for a rubbish council.

Condor Man, I have to agree, that can be a very valid argument. It could be god's gift to anti unions lobby.

Unlike you I won’t say they have bullied the electorate, but possibly misled.

'Misled'.

Is there really any difference between 'misled' and 'lied to'..?

The same thing to me, just different words.

Shoong wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Condor Man wrote:
If Unison and Unite don't strike now we'll know that the industrial action last year was targetted at the Tory administation. I challenge Tucker et al to take action immediately, otherwise all they've done is bullied the electorate into voting for a rubbish council.

Condor Man, I have to agree, that can be a very valid argument. It could be god's gift to anti unions lobby.

Unlike you I won’t say they have bullied the electorate, but possibly misled.

'Misled'.

Is there really any difference between 'misled' and 'lied to'..?

The same thing to me, just different words.

My mistake. Typed wrong word 'lied', shoudl have been 'bullied'

Of course they bullied people. Not collecting rubbish for 2 months was completely unreasonable. If they don't take similar action now we'll know that their actions were politically motivated.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Condor Man wrote:
If Unison and Unite don't strike now we'll know that the industrial action last year was targetted at the Tory administation. I challenge Tucker et al to take action immediately, otherwise all they've done is bullied the electorate into voting for a rubbish council.

Condor Man, I have to agree, that can be a very valid argument. It could be god's gift to anti unions lobby.

Unlike you I won’t say they have bullied the electorate, but possibly misled.

'Misled'.

Is there really any difference between 'misled' and 'lied to'..?

The same thing to me, just different words.

My mistake. Typed wrong word 'lied', shoudl have been 'bullied'

Yeah! I believe you!

I get the feeling you have just 'misled' me.

a poem of sorts comes to mind.
bah bah black sheep
the leaders made it to the top
and all the lambs at the
bottom
are going to face the chop
thats what happens when your sucked along by false promises.

Does this mean the binmen will go out on strike again?

shirley-bill wrote:
Does this mean the binmen will go out on strike again?

Somehow I get the feeling they won't be, the mission was accomplished last May.

It is no wonder they have to cut jobs its because of the sheer wastefull incompetence of managers within departments. Even today I have been party to a decision to invoke a cost of over £7000 and 3 months time, effort and salaries for around 3 people when the matter can be solved today for as little as £100. With this degree of creating work to justify jobs and existence its no wonder they are short of cash!