City museum up for major award (From Daily Echo)
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SeaCity Museum up for Structural Award
7:20am Thursday 16th August 2012 in News
By Patrick Knox, Senior Reporter
City museum up for major award
WITH its modernistic liner-inspired profile, it evokes a city’s rich maritime heritage with a strikingly cutting edge profile.
Since opening in April to mark 100 years since the Titanic sank, it has been full steam ahead for the SeaCity Museum in Southampton , with more than 60,000 visitors passing through its doors.
Now the iconic structure has extra wind in its sails after it was shortlisted as a nominee for the prestigious Structural Awards 2012 alongside some of the world’s most remarkable constructions.
This includes The London 2012 Olympic Stadium, the Titanic Museum in Belfast, Adidas Laces in Germany and Al Hamra Firdous Tower in Kuwait.
Southampton City Council major projects manager Tina Dyer-Slade said: “We are thrilled to be in such exalted company in the shortlist of these awards.
“This recognition for those efforts is a tribute to all the commitment and talent involved in its creation.
“While SeaCity may not be on the same scale as the Olympic Stadium, we are justifiably proud of the transformation we have achieved here.”
Award sponsors, the Institution of Structural Engineers, have recognised SeaCity Museum’s focus on the unique and considerable maritime history while playing its part in a cultural regeneration at the heart of the city.
Also singled out was the transformation and extension of Southampton’s Grade II listed former magistrates’ courts and police headquarters into a major cultural and heritage attraction.
At its opening in April this year, exactly a hundred years to the day the Titanic set sail, the museum showed off its 2,500-strong collection of documents, recordings and artefacts from the ill-fated voyage.
The museum was built alongside the renovation of the Southampton Civic Centre.
The northern façade of the building features a bold new exhibition pavilion in which to display Southampton’s rich and varied aquatic heritage.
The 2012 winners will be announced on November 2 at the Marriott Grosvenor Square, London and the event promises to live up to its reputation as a great evening of celebration for everybody involved.
Comments(70)
thesaint
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8:08am Thu 16 Aug 12
Essruu
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8:16am Thu 16 Aug 12
Northamboy
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8:30am Thu 16 Aug 12
Northamboy
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8:32am Thu 16 Aug 12
Essruu wrote:Couldn't agree more but I think your "exploded with rage" a little strong.
It's a good job Northamboy isn't a Parisien; He'd have exploded with rage when the Louvre Pyramid was built, if he was.
Am I not allowed an opinion?
Essruu
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8:36am Thu 16 Aug 12
Northamboy wrote:Of course you are. What's your opinion of the Louvre Pyramid?
Essruu wrote:Couldn't agree more but I think your "exploded with rage" a little strong.
It's a good job Northamboy isn't a Parisien; He'd have exploded with rage when the Louvre Pyramid was built, if he was.
Am I not allowed an opinion?
Over the Edge
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8:44am Thu 16 Aug 12
Horrible monstrosity that shouldn't win a raffle let alone a Structural award.
Happened to cost us a pretty packet too.
Of the 60,000 how went in free using Royston's electoral bribe ticket?
How many councillors will be attending the awards ceremony (at our expense)?
Over the Edge
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8:45am Thu 16 Aug 12
Northamboy
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8:48am Thu 16 Aug 12
Essruu wrote:No real feelings either way. It's not in my town and certainly not up against a building built in the art deco style which is my preferred style of building.
Northamboy wrote:Of course you are. What's your opinion of the Louvre Pyramid?
Essruu wrote:Couldn't agree more but I think your "exploded with rage" a little strong.
It's a good job Northamboy isn't a Parisien; He'd have exploded with rage when the Louvre Pyramid was built, if he was.
Am I not allowed an opinion?
As for the sea city building it would have been fine on its own but not butted against the civic centre.
Linesman
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9:19am Thu 16 Aug 12
IF the museum needed to be built, it should have been near it's subject matter - near the docks.
Interesting to read that there have been 60,000 visitors.
The museum has been open for four months, which means that the average daily attendance is about 500. Of course, there were more than that each day for the first week or so. I wonder what the daily average has been for the past couple of weeks and whether it has been a 'break even' total.
Linesman
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9:21am Thu 16 Aug 12
ToastyTea
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9:26am Thu 16 Aug 12
Shoong
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9:35am Thu 16 Aug 12
Over the Edge wrote:I suspect if it was built by a Labour administration it would be the best thing since sliced bread.
I compare it to a pussing boil of the face of a supermodel.
Horrible monstrosity that shouldn't win a raffle let alone a Structural award.
Happened to cost us a pretty packet too.
Of the 60,000 how went in free using Royston's electoral bribe ticket?
How many councillors will be attending the awards ceremony (at our expense)?
Sovietobserver
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9:43am Thu 16 Aug 12
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Independent Thought
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10:02am Thu 16 Aug 12
You might want to approach this guy and see if he'll loan Southampton his replica of Titanic's wirless room? http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/2012/08/
14/titanic-restored_
n_1775164.html?utm_h
p_ref=mostpopular
southy
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10:14am Thu 16 Aug 12
Sovietobserver wrote:Thats if it is stays that long.
It's a magnificent design, but its juxtaposition to the older building makes it look like aliens were involved somehow. Yes it is jarring and incongruous.
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Linesman
SeaCity Museum is all ready running at a lost, where as the one in Belfast is making a profit, I will not be surprise to see Belfast win this award.
Shoong
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10:18am Thu 16 Aug 12
southy wrote:Can we please see where you obtained this information or let us know who we can contact to verify it?
Sovietobserver wrote:Thats if it is stays that long.
It's a magnificent design, but its juxtaposition to the older building makes it look like aliens were involved somehow. Yes it is jarring and incongruous.
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Linesman
SeaCity Museum is all ready running at a lost, where as the one in Belfast is making a profit, I will not be surprise to see Belfast win this award.
Just so we can see it for ourselves, rather than really on your good and in no way biased good word.
Shoong
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10:18am Thu 16 Aug 12
Shoong wrote:*rely
southy wrote:Can we please see where you obtained this information or let us know who we can contact to verify it?
Sovietobserver wrote:Thats if it is stays that long.
It's a magnificent design, but its juxtaposition to the older building makes it look like aliens were involved somehow. Yes it is jarring and incongruous.
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Linesman
SeaCity Museum is all ready running at a lost, where as the one in Belfast is making a profit, I will not be surprise to see Belfast win this award.
Just so we can see it for ourselves, rather than really on your good and in no way biased good word.
tootle
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10:34am Thu 16 Aug 12
Shoong
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10:35am Thu 16 Aug 12
Shoong wrote:Still waiting...
southy wrote:Can we please see where you obtained this information or let us know who we can contact to verify it?
Sovietobserver wrote:Thats if it is stays that long.
It's a magnificent design, but its juxtaposition to the older building makes it look like aliens were involved somehow. Yes it is jarring and incongruous.
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Linesman
SeaCity Museum is all ready running at a lost, where as the one in Belfast is making a profit, I will not be surprise to see Belfast win this award.
Just so we can see it for ourselves, rather than really on your good and in no way biased good word.
good-gosh
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10:57am Thu 16 Aug 12
Looks to me like the foundations were built to metric and the elevations to imperial. I suppose plumb-bobs and spirit levels were banned to avoid unease among the apprentices.
Georgem
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10:58am Thu 16 Aug 12
southy wrote:But profits are bad anyway, right Comrade? So it all works out in the end. The Museum of the People won't win an award, and everything is right with the world again.
Sovietobserver wrote:Thats if it is stays that long.
It's a magnificent design, but its juxtaposition to the older building makes it look like aliens were involved somehow. Yes it is jarring and incongruous.
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Linesman
SeaCity Museum is all ready running at a lost, where as the one in Belfast is making a profit, I will not be surprise to see Belfast win this award.
southy
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11:10am Thu 16 Aug 12
Shoong wrote:Do you want every one to do your work for you, its about time you got off your butt and do some research, reading and remembering whats been printed in the Echo.
Shoong wrote:Still waiting...
southy wrote:Can we please see where you obtained this information or let us know who we can contact to verify it?
Sovietobserver wrote:Thats if it is stays that long.
It's a magnificent design, but its juxtaposition to the older building makes it look like aliens were involved somehow. Yes it is jarring and incongruous.
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Linesman
SeaCity Museum is all ready running at a lost, where as the one in Belfast is making a profit, I will not be surprise to see Belfast win this award.
Just so we can see it for ourselves, rather than really on your good and in no way biased good word.
The SeaCity Museum as not once reach the daily quota that the Council as set that it would need just to break even, where as the Belfast Quita set higher than Southampton to break even have pass there quota, but then I did expect this to happen that Belfast would do a lot better, because that where most of the World Titanic artifacts have gone, People are going where the Ship was built not from a port it sailed from.
George4th
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11:12am Thu 16 Aug 12
thesaint wrote:I agree wholeheartedly with you.
great design and well worth the award despite the moaning minnies who slate anything original.
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The usual whingers come out to play! Mostly of the Labour leaning kind who seem to have no real vision, ambition or creativity!
southy
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11:14am Thu 16 Aug 12
Georgem wrote:It proves that the Tory Council was wasting tax payers money on white elephants, they was even warned by the Travling Titanic Museum that it would make a lost.
southy wrote:But profits are bad anyway, right Comrade? So it all works out in the end. The Museum of the People won't win an award, and everything is right with the world again.
Sovietobserver wrote:Thats if it is stays that long.
It's a magnificent design, but its juxtaposition to the older building makes it look like aliens were involved somehow. Yes it is jarring and incongruous.
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Linesman
SeaCity Museum is all ready running at a lost, where as the one in Belfast is making a profit, I will not be surprise to see Belfast win this award.
Shoong
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11:15am Thu 16 Aug 12
southy wrote:I work 9-5 unlike yourself and I don't buy the printed version of the Echo.
Shoong wrote:Do you want every one to do your work for you, its about time you got off your butt and do some research, reading and remembering whats been printed in the Echo.
Shoong wrote:Still waiting...
southy wrote:Can we please see where you obtained this information or let us know who we can contact to verify it?
Sovietobserver wrote:Thats if it is stays that long.
It's a magnificent design, but its juxtaposition to the older building makes it look like aliens were involved somehow. Yes it is jarring and incongruous.
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Linesman
SeaCity Museum is all ready running at a lost, where as the one in Belfast is making a profit, I will not be surprise to see Belfast win this award.
Just so we can see it for ourselves, rather than really on your good and in no way biased good word.
The SeaCity Museum as not once reach the daily quota that the Council as set that it would need just to break even, where as the Belfast Quita set higher than Southampton to break even have pass there quota, but then I did expect this to happen that Belfast would do a lot better, because that where most of the World Titanic artifacts have gone, People are going where the Ship was built not from a port it sailed from.
It's not a question of me 'getting off my butt' - you said it - so let's see some evidence are at least quote some figures.
The Museum might be losing money - I'm not sure. But you seem to know - so get your butt in gear and produce some evidence to back up what you said.
It might not be reaching the quota - but that doesn't mean it's not making a profit either.
Or could it be you just said it for political reasons?
Could it be you just made it up..?
southy
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11:20am Thu 16 Aug 12
good-gosh wrote:You look at the building from the junction corner and it looks like an earthquake had hit the that part and that just slap dash repair work.
The foreman deserves the award for getting it to fit together.
Looks to me like the foundations were built to metric and the elevations to imperial. I suppose plumb-bobs and spirit levels were banned to avoid unease among the apprentices.
On the whole its a nice looking building but it should of never been built at that location.
southy
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11:29am Thu 16 Aug 12
Shoong wrote:Well what you doing posting on here if your ment to be working, tut tut.
southy wrote:I work 9-5 unlike yourself and I don't buy the printed version of the Echo.
Shoong wrote:Do you want every one to do your work for you, its about time you got off your butt and do some research, reading and remembering whats been printed in the Echo.
Shoong wrote:Still waiting...
southy wrote:Can we please see where you obtained this information or let us know who we can contact to verify it?
Sovietobserver wrote:Thats if it is stays that long.
It's a magnificent design, but its juxtaposition to the older building makes it look like aliens were involved somehow. Yes it is jarring and incongruous.
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Linesman
SeaCity Museum is all ready running at a lost, where as the one in Belfast is making a profit, I will not be surprise to see Belfast win this award.
Just so we can see it for ourselves, rather than really on your good and in no way biased good word.
The SeaCity Museum as not once reach the daily quota that the Council as set that it would need just to break even, where as the Belfast Quita set higher than Southampton to break even have pass there quota, but then I did expect this to happen that Belfast would do a lot better, because that where most of the World Titanic artifacts have gone, People are going where the Ship was built not from a port it sailed from.
It's not a question of me 'getting off my butt' - you said it - so let's see some evidence are at least quote some figures.
The Museum might be losing money - I'm not sure. But you seem to know - so get your butt in gear and produce some evidence to back up what you said.
It might not be reaching the quota - but that doesn't mean it's not making a profit either.
Or could it be you just said it for political reasons?
Could it be you just made it up..?
And theres still no excuse, the echo posted the numbers that pass though the doors for the first few days on this web site.
Plus you could all ways stop on the way home and buy an echo.
George4th
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11:30am Thu 16 Aug 12
Shoong wrote:Southy is such a doom-monger who indulges himself in misery!
southy wrote:I work 9-5 unlike yourself and I don't buy the printed version of the Echo.
Shoong wrote:Do you want every one to do your work for you, its about time you got off your butt and do some research, reading and remembering whats been printed in the Echo.
Shoong wrote:Still waiting...
southy wrote:Can we please see where you obtained this information or let us know who we can contact to verify it?
Sovietobserver wrote:Thats if it is stays that long.
It's a magnificent design, but its juxtaposition to the older building makes it look like aliens were involved somehow. Yes it is jarring and incongruous.
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Linesman
SeaCity Museum is all ready running at a lost, where as the one in Belfast is making a profit, I will not be surprise to see Belfast win this award.
Just so we can see it for ourselves, rather than really on your good and in no way biased good word.
The SeaCity Museum as not once reach the daily quota that the Council as set that it would need just to break even, where as the Belfast Quita set higher than Southampton to break even have pass there quota, but then I did expect this to happen that Belfast would do a lot better, because that where most of the World Titanic artifacts have gone, People are going where the Ship was built not from a port it sailed from.
It's not a question of me 'getting off my butt' - you said it - so let's see some evidence are at least quote some figures.
The Museum might be losing money - I'm not sure. But you seem to know - so get your butt in gear and produce some evidence to back up what you said.
It might not be reaching the quota - but that doesn't mean it's not making a profit either.
Or could it be you just said it for political reasons?
Could it be you just made it up..?
He's always quoting this or that but merely spins webs that are never completed with anything other than fresh air. He makes up most of what he comments on here! - He's practised at bamboozling us and himself!
I would trust him as much as I trust Tony Blair!
Over the Edge
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11:32am Thu 16 Aug 12
Shoong wrote:Nothing to do with the administration the building is horrible.
Over the Edge wrote:I suspect if it was built by a Labour administration it would be the best thing since sliced bread.
I compare it to a pussing boil of the face of a supermodel.
Horrible monstrosity that shouldn't win a raffle let alone a Structural award.
Happened to cost us a pretty packet too.
Of the 60,000 how went in free using Royston's electoral bribe ticket?
How many councillors will be attending the awards ceremony (at our expense)?
Shoong
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11:35am Thu 16 Aug 12
Over the Edge wrote:You what?
Shoong wrote:Nothing to do with the administration the building is horrible.
Over the Edge wrote:I suspect if it was built by a Labour administration it would be the best thing since sliced bread.
I compare it to a pussing boil of the face of a supermodel.
Horrible monstrosity that shouldn't win a raffle let alone a Structural award.
Happened to cost us a pretty packet too.
Of the 60,000 how went in free using Royston's electoral bribe ticket?
How many councillors will be attending the awards ceremony (at our expense)?
' Of the 60,000 how went in free using Royston's electoral bribe ticket?'
Do me a favour...
Shoong
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11:42am Thu 16 Aug 12
southy wrote:I'm multi-tasking, it was one of those new age 20th century ways of working that you might catch up with one day.
Shoong wrote:Well what you doing posting on here if your ment to be working, tut tut.
southy wrote:I work 9-5 unlike yourself and I don't buy the printed version of the Echo.
Shoong wrote:Do you want every one to do your work for you, its about time you got off your butt and do some research, reading and remembering whats been printed in the Echo.
Shoong wrote:Still waiting...
southy wrote:Can we please see where you obtained this information or let us know who we can contact to verify it?
Sovietobserver wrote:Thats if it is stays that long.
It's a magnificent design, but its juxtaposition to the older building makes it look like aliens were involved somehow. Yes it is jarring and incongruous.
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Linesman
SeaCity Museum is all ready running at a lost, where as the one in Belfast is making a profit, I will not be surprise to see Belfast win this award.
Just so we can see it for ourselves, rather than really on your good and in no way biased good word.
The SeaCity Museum as not once reach the daily quota that the Council as set that it would need just to break even, where as the Belfast Quita set higher than Southampton to break even have pass there quota, but then I did expect this to happen that Belfast would do a lot better, because that where most of the World Titanic artifacts have gone, People are going where the Ship was built not from a port it sailed from.
It's not a question of me 'getting off my butt' - you said it - so let's see some evidence are at least quote some figures.
The Museum might be losing money - I'm not sure. But you seem to know - so get your butt in gear and produce some evidence to back up what you said.
It might not be reaching the quota - but that doesn't mean it's not making a profit either.
Or could it be you just said it for political reasons?
Could it be you just made it up..?
And theres still no excuse, the echo posted the numbers that pass though the doors for the first few days on this web site.
Plus you could all ways stop on the way home and buy an echo.
True, I ought to know but don't, and seeing as you know for certain I'm asking you. You said it.
I'm not trying to make excuses.
However, you still have not produced evidence to back up what you've said.
Those excuses I am looking forward too. Backup what you said with any kind of evidence or own up to making spit up.
Think I know what we'll get out of the above two actions...
chapelsaint
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11:44am Thu 16 Aug 12
Linesman wrote:Me and the missus went there yesterday and there were a couple of dozen others as well. That should bump the total up a bit!
I agree with Northamboy. It is a dramatic building, but built in the wrong place. The Civic Centre is a beautiful building in its own right, but this does not show the new building at its best, and spoils the Civic Centre. IF the museum needed to be built, it should have been near it's subject matter - near the docks. Interesting to read that there have been 60,000 visitors. The museum has been open for four months, which means that the average daily attendance is about 500. Of course, there were more than that each day for the first week or so. I wonder what the daily average has been for the past couple of weeks and whether it has been a 'break even' total.
freefinker
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11:59am Thu 16 Aug 12
Shoong wrote:I suspect you will have to wait as long for the details as we have all had to when southy was challenged to produce evidence for his statement at 6:58am Fri 3 Aug 12, that “my Sikh friend posted on here telling you personally him self.”
southy wrote:I'm multi-tasking, it was one of those new age 20th century ways of working that you might catch up with one day.
Shoong wrote:Well what you doing posting on here if your ment to be working, tut tut.
southy wrote:I work 9-5 unlike yourself and I don't buy the printed version of the Echo.
Shoong wrote:Do you want every one to do your work for you, its about time you got off your butt and do some research, reading and remembering whats been printed in the Echo.
Shoong wrote:Still waiting...
southy wrote:Can we please see where you obtained this information or let us know who we can contact to verify it?
Sovietobserver wrote:Thats if it is stays that long.
It's a magnificent design, but its juxtaposition to the older building makes it look like aliens were involved somehow. Yes it is jarring and incongruous.
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Linesman
SeaCity Museum is all ready running at a lost, where as the one in Belfast is making a profit, I will not be surprise to see Belfast win this award.
Just so we can see it for ourselves, rather than really on your good and in no way biased good word.
The SeaCity Museum as not once reach the daily quota that the Council as set that it would need just to break even, where as the Belfast Quita set higher than Southampton to break even have pass there quota, but then I did expect this to happen that Belfast would do a lot better, because that where most of the World Titanic artifacts have gone, People are going where the Ship was built not from a port it sailed from.
It's not a question of me 'getting off my butt' - you said it - so let's see some evidence are at least quote some figures.
The Museum might be losing money - I'm not sure. But you seem to know - so get your butt in gear and produce some evidence to back up what you said.
It might not be reaching the quota - but that doesn't mean it's not making a profit either.
Or could it be you just said it for political reasons?
Could it be you just made it up..?
And theres still no excuse, the echo posted the numbers that pass though the doors for the first few days on this web site.
Plus you could all ways stop on the way home and buy an echo.
True, I ought to know but don't, and seeing as you know for certain I'm asking you. You said it.
I'm not trying to make excuses.
However, you still have not produced evidence to back up what you've said.
Those excuses I am looking forward too. Backup what you said with any kind of evidence or own up to making spit up.
Think I know what we'll get out of the above two actions...
He makes it all up and he deliberately lies.
Lone Ranger.
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12:02pm Thu 16 Aug 12
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Not its poor visitors numbers or indeed the debt that we as SCC taxpayers have been saddled with.
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Design is of course very subjective
loosehead
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12:07pm Thu 16 Aug 12
This Labour administration would love to put the boot into the tories so why haven't they shown figures to prove Southy's right?
I never liked the new building but once inside it's very good & if the council advertise it there's a cafe inside anyone can go into & this should up it's earnings.
So SOUTHY exactly what are the figures? Can you prove it?
If not apologise & keep it shut
loosehead
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12:14pm Thu 16 Aug 12
Lone Ranger. wrote:Debt? oh! you're still on that falsey then?
Interesting .............. Just to point out the potential award is for the design of the museum.
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Not its poor visitors numbers or indeed the debt that we as SCC taxpayers have been saddled with.
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Design is of course very subjective
Shoong
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12:20pm Thu 16 Aug 12
Lone Ranger. wrote:I was never a great fan of the design itself, you're right it's a bit like art in that perhaps different designs will appeal and some will not.
Interesting .............. Just to point out the potential award is for the design of the museum.
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Not its poor visitors numbers or indeed the debt that we as SCC taxpayers have been saddled with.
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Design is of course very subjective
Saddled with? That's fine, your opinion, but if it does turn out to be a success will you reassess your opinion of it? Have you been? Give it a chance before completely dismissing it maybe.
George4th
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12:58pm Thu 16 Aug 12
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Design moves forward all the time or we'd still all be driving Austin Allegros!!
sfby
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1:43pm Thu 16 Aug 12
Georgem
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1:47pm Thu 16 Aug 12
southy wrote:That has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. Do you even bother reading posts any more, or do you just ask Rahit Maryada to do it for you?
Georgem wrote:It proves that the Tory Council was wasting tax payers money on white elephants, they was even warned by the Travling Titanic Museum that it would make a lost.
southy wrote:But profits are bad anyway, right Comrade? So it all works out in the end. The Museum of the People won't win an award, and everything is right with the world again.
Sovietobserver wrote:Thats if it is stays that long.
It's a magnificent design, but its juxtaposition to the older building makes it look like aliens were involved somehow. Yes it is jarring and incongruous.
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Linesman
SeaCity Museum is all ready running at a lost, where as the one in Belfast is making a profit, I will not be surprise to see Belfast win this award.
TEBOURBA
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2:20pm Thu 16 Aug 12
What I am more interested in is the cost to the taxpayers.
Under the freeedom of information act, does anyone know, or can the Echo find out, the number of paying customers needed through the turnstile each week for the museum to break even compared to the actual number of paying customers achieved to date.
Is it a raving financial success or a disaster, we should be informed.
Georgem
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2:46pm Thu 16 Aug 12
TEBOURBA wrote:You should avoid cliches like the plague. They're a dime a dozen.
Although I think it is hideous, Im happy to accept that beauty is in the eye of the beholder; one man's meat is another man's poison, etc.
What I am more interested in is the cost to the taxpayers.
Under the freeedom of information act, does anyone know, or can the Echo find out, the number of paying customers needed through the turnstile each week for the museum to break even compared to the actual number of paying customers achieved to date.
Is it a raving financial success or a disaster, we should be informed.
loosehead
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3:07pm Thu 16 Aug 12
TEBOURBA wrote:Honestly if it's a financial disaster do you not think that this Labour council wouldn't be shouting about it so telling every one how the Tories had saddled them with a money eater?
Although I think it is hideous, Im happy to accept that beauty is in the eye of the beholder; one man's meat is another man's poison, etc.
What I am more interested in is the cost to the taxpayers.
Under the freeedom of information act, does anyone know, or can the Echo find out, the number of paying customers needed through the turnstile each week for the museum to break even compared to the actual number of paying customers achieved to date.
Is it a raving financial success or a disaster, we should be informed.
Lone Ranger.
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3:16pm Thu 16 Aug 12
loosehead wrote:I am sure it will be proven as a money pit.
TEBOURBA wrote:Honestly if it's a financial disaster do you not think that this Labour council wouldn't be shouting about it so telling every one how the Tories had saddled them with a money eater?
Although I think it is hideous, Im happy to accept that beauty is in the eye of the beholder; one man's meat is another man's poison, etc.
What I am more interested in is the cost to the taxpayers.
Under the freeedom of information act, does anyone know, or can the Echo find out, the number of paying customers needed through the turnstile each week for the museum to break even compared to the actual number of paying customers achieved to date.
Is it a raving financial success or a disaster, we should be informed.
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Labour are going through the books ..... ..... But .... have got to "W" yet for White Elephants
Shoong
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3:20pm Thu 16 Aug 12
Lone Ranger. wrote:Could be...
loosehead wrote:I am sure it will be proven as a money pit.
TEBOURBA wrote:Honestly if it's a financial disaster do you not think that this Labour council wouldn't be shouting about it so telling every one how the Tories had saddled them with a money eater?
Although I think it is hideous, Im happy to accept that beauty is in the eye of the beholder; one man's meat is another man's poison, etc.
What I am more interested in is the cost to the taxpayers.
Under the freeedom of information act, does anyone know, or can the Echo find out, the number of paying customers needed through the turnstile each week for the museum to break even compared to the actual number of paying customers achieved to date.
Is it a raving financial success or a disaster, we should be informed.
.
Labour are going through the books ..... ..... But .... have got to "W" yet for White Elephants
But if it's not, be sure to get in the queue for your helping of humble pie, although you won't be first in line...
If it is, I might have some pie but if you or Cllr Williams mob try and take any credit, you're going to get egged.
loosehead
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3:28pm Thu 16 Aug 12
Shoong wrote:Shoong how many people realise you don't need a ticket or pay an entry fee just to use the cafe?
Lone Ranger. wrote:Could be...
loosehead wrote:I am sure it will be proven as a money pit.
TEBOURBA wrote:Honestly if it's a financial disaster do you not think that this Labour council wouldn't be shouting about it so telling every one how the Tories had saddled them with a money eater?
Although I think it is hideous, Im happy to accept that beauty is in the eye of the beholder; one man's meat is another man's poison, etc.
What I am more interested in is the cost to the taxpayers.
Under the freeedom of information act, does anyone know, or can the Echo find out, the number of paying customers needed through the turnstile each week for the museum to break even compared to the actual number of paying customers achieved to date.
Is it a raving financial success or a disaster, we should be informed.
.
Labour are going through the books ..... ..... But .... have got to "W" yet for White Elephants
But if it's not, be sure to get in the queue for your helping of humble pie, although you won't be first in line...
If it is, I might have some pie but if you or Cllr Williams mob try and take any credit, you're going to get egged.
Will Labour actively promote this museum?
So now it's built exactly what do these people suggest we do with it if it's not to be a museum?
Pull it down? but that would be a waste of money wouldn't it?
Shoong
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3:34pm Thu 16 Aug 12
loosehead wrote:'Shoong how many people realise you don't need a ticket or pay an entry fee just to use the cafe?'
Shoong wrote:Shoong how many people realise you don't need a ticket or pay an entry fee just to use the cafe?
Lone Ranger. wrote:Could be...
loosehead wrote:I am sure it will be proven as a money pit.
TEBOURBA wrote:Honestly if it's a financial disaster do you not think that this Labour council wouldn't be shouting about it so telling every one how the Tories had saddled them with a money eater?
Although I think it is hideous, Im happy to accept that beauty is in the eye of the beholder; one man's meat is another man's poison, etc.
What I am more interested in is the cost to the taxpayers.
Under the freeedom of information act, does anyone know, or can the Echo find out, the number of paying customers needed through the turnstile each week for the museum to break even compared to the actual number of paying customers achieved to date.
Is it a raving financial success or a disaster, we should be informed.
.
Labour are going through the books ..... ..... But .... have got to "W" yet for White Elephants
But if it's not, be sure to get in the queue for your helping of humble pie, although you won't be first in line...
If it is, I might have some pie but if you or Cllr Williams mob try and take any credit, you're going to get egged.
Will Labour actively promote this museum?
So now it's built exactly what do these people suggest we do with it if it's not to be a museum?
Pull it down? but that would be a waste of money wouldn't it?
Er, I dunno.
'Will Labour actively promote this museum?'
Maybe.
'So now it's built exactly what do these people suggest we do with it if it's not to be a museum? Pull it down? but that would be a waste of money wouldn't it?'
I suppose, if it hasn't made a profit.
I think I'd need to be a elected Labour councillor to answer these really. However, there's no chance of that as Mother Shoong always said 'honesty is the best policy'.
THE BRICK
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4:15pm Thu 16 Aug 12
y I think it looks horrible and cheap, just like the previous administration, headed by Rambo Smith.
The civic centre is a grade 2* listed building and as such the design of the museum is like a leach sucking itself on the side of a beautiful building. Maybe with luck the foundations will sink along with the museum, without trace!
Lone Ranger.
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4:16pm Thu 16 Aug 12
Shoong wrote:Yeah ... fair shout ...... But please not an egging ........ again !!
Lone Ranger. wrote:Could be...
loosehead wrote:I am sure it will be proven as a money pit.
TEBOURBA wrote:Honestly if it's a financial disaster do you not think that this Labour council wouldn't be shouting about it so telling every one how the Tories had saddled them with a money eater?
Although I think it is hideous, Im happy to accept that beauty is in the eye of the beholder; one man's meat is another man's poison, etc.
What I am more interested in is the cost to the taxpayers.
Under the freeedom of information act, does anyone know, or can the Echo find out, the number of paying customers needed through the turnstile each week for the museum to break even compared to the actual number of paying customers achieved to date.
Is it a raving financial success or a disaster, we should be informed.
.
Labour are going through the books ..... ..... But .... have got to "W" yet for White Elephants
But if it's not, be sure to get in the queue for your helping of humble pie, although you won't be first in line...
If it is, I might have some pie but if you or Cllr Williams mob try and take any credit, you're going to get egged.
Shoong
says...
4:50pm Thu 16 Aug 12
Boo.
George4th
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4:57pm Thu 16 Aug 12
Also singled out was the transformation and extension of Southampton’s Grade II listed former magistrates’ courts and police headquarters into a major cultural and heritage attraction.
At its opening in April this year, exactly a hundred years to the day the Titanic set sail, the museum showed off its 2,500-strong collection of documents, recordings and artefacts from the ill-fated voyage.
The museum was built alongside the renovation of the Southampton Civic Centre.
The northern façade of the building features a bold new exhibition pavilion in which to display Southampton’s rich and varied aquatic heritage. "
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For the SeaCity Museum to be in the running for a prestigious award in competition with other amazing designs from around the globe is a major feather in our cap. The citizens of the Southampton should be proud that their City has achieved this recognition and thank the people who conceived and built this wonderful Museum.
lordshill loyal
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8:01pm Thu 16 Aug 12
kwyjibo
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8:01pm Thu 16 Aug 12
southy wrote:"And theres still no excuse, the echo posted the numbers that pass though the doors for the first few days on this web site."
http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/9672981.
10_000_flock_into_Se
aCity_Museum/
You're right southy, there are numbers, but they disprove your argument.
But even that would be giving you too much credit, because you don't know what's required to break even. And you don't know what's required at Belfast.
Linesman
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8:16pm Thu 16 Aug 12
Shoong wrote:It would not have been built by a Labour administration if it had meant making people out of work and cutting their salaries to pay for it.
Over the Edge wrote:I suspect if it was built by a Labour administration it would be the best thing since sliced bread.
I compare it to a pussing boil of the face of a supermodel.
Horrible monstrosity that shouldn't win a raffle let alone a Structural award.
Happened to cost us a pretty packet too.
Of the 60,000 how went in free using Royston's electoral bribe ticket?
How many councillors will be attending the awards ceremony (at our expense)?
This is a Royston Smith dream, which shows he was out of touch with reality.
Linesman
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8:21pm Thu 16 Aug 12
southy wrote:What! Buy an Echo?
Shoong wrote:Well what you doing posting on here if your ment to be working, tut tut.
southy wrote:I work 9-5 unlike yourself and I don't buy the printed version of the Echo.
Shoong wrote:Do you want every one to do your work for you, its about time you got off your butt and do some research, reading and remembering whats been printed in the Echo.
Shoong wrote:Still waiting...
southy wrote:Can we please see where you obtained this information or let us know who we can contact to verify it?
Sovietobserver wrote:Thats if it is stays that long.
It's a magnificent design, but its juxtaposition to the older building makes it look like aliens were involved somehow. Yes it is jarring and incongruous.
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Linesman
SeaCity Museum is all ready running at a lost, where as the one in Belfast is making a profit, I will not be surprise to see Belfast win this award.
Just so we can see it for ourselves, rather than really on your good and in no way biased good word.
The SeaCity Museum as not once reach the daily quota that the Council as set that it would need just to break even, where as the Belfast Quita set higher than Southampton to break even have pass there quota, but then I did expect this to happen that Belfast would do a lot better, because that where most of the World Titanic artifacts have gone, People are going where the Ship was built not from a port it sailed from.
It's not a question of me 'getting off my butt' - you said it - so let's see some evidence are at least quote some figures.
The Museum might be losing money - I'm not sure. But you seem to know - so get your butt in gear and produce some evidence to back up what you said.
It might not be reaching the quota - but that doesn't mean it's not making a profit either.
Or could it be you just said it for political reasons?
Could it be you just made it up..?
And theres still no excuse, the echo posted the numbers that pass though the doors for the first few days on this web site.
Plus you could all ways stop on the way home and buy an echo.
Why would Tory BUY an Echo to find out information when he can get someone else to provide the information he seeks for free?
Tories do not work that way.
Delete 'that way.'
clausentum
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8:25pm Thu 16 Aug 12
George4th wrote:The former Magistrate's Court/Police HQ richly merits its grade 2 listed status.
"Award sponsors, the Institution of Structural Engineers, have recognised SeaCity Museum’s focus on the unique and considerable maritime history while playing its part in a cultural regeneration at the heart of the city.
Also singled out was the transformation and extension of Southampton’s Grade II listed former magistrates’ courts and police headquarters into a major cultural and heritage attraction.
At its opening in April this year, exactly a hundred years to the day the Titanic set sail, the museum showed off its 2,500-strong collection of documents, recordings and artefacts from the ill-fated voyage.
The museum was built alongside the renovation of the Southampton Civic Centre.
The northern façade of the building features a bold new exhibition pavilion in which to display Southampton’s rich and varied aquatic heritage. "
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For the SeaCity Museum to be in the running for a prestigious award in competition with other amazing designs from around the globe is a major feather in our cap. The citizens of the Southampton should be proud that their City has achieved this recognition and thank the people who conceived and built this wonderful Museum.
The bolted-on SeaCity Museum is ugly. Exceedingly ugly. Monstrously ugly.
In 20 years time its ugliness will be universally recognised. Then, it will justly suffer the same fate as Portsmouth's ugly Tricorn, and be demolished because of it's ugliness.
George4th
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8:40pm Thu 16 Aug 12
Linesman wrote:"It would not have been built by a Labour administration"
Shoong wrote:It would not have been built by a Labour administration if it had meant making people out of work and cutting their salaries to pay for it.
Over the Edge wrote:I suspect if it was built by a Labour administration it would be the best thing since sliced bread.
I compare it to a pussing boil of the face of a supermodel.
Horrible monstrosity that shouldn't win a raffle let alone a Structural award.
Happened to cost us a pretty packet too.
Of the 60,000 how went in free using Royston's electoral bribe ticket?
How many councillors will be attending the awards ceremony (at our expense)?
This is a Royston Smith dream, which shows he was out of touch with reality.
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You're probably correct.
Labour is not noted for building anything!
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The whole philosophy of Labour is to spend spend spend spend! That sounds fine until you realise they end up with absolutely nothing to show for it!
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The last Labour government spent massive sums of money. On what? Oh, things like doubling the salaries and pension commitment of Doctors etc etc etc.
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There is no record of any investment that was to benefit the country.
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We ended up £600 Billion in debt BEFORE the financial crisis. Even the Ex Labour Government Ministers now admit they got it wrong!
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Southampton had 25 years of no investment, mostly under Labour, prior to the Tories taking over. Labour results? Any youngster with a good education left Southampton for opportunities elsewhere! The Tories started the ball rolling on investment (in the most terrible of economic climates) and then the wonderful Labour voters of Southampton voted their party in - talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
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This current council is in turmoil! It lost a cabinet minister on the eve of the election and one resigned straight after the election! It is has carried on from there unabated! It is quite clear that the councillors are arguing amongst themselves and at the same time, with the unions!
George4th
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8:49pm Thu 16 Aug 12
clausentum wrote:Look around the UK at modern buildings - get a feel for it - this is a very good piece of architecture - hence why it is in for an award.
George4th wrote:The former Magistrate's Court/Police HQ richly merits its grade 2 listed status.
"Award sponsors, the Institution of Structural Engineers, have recognised SeaCity Museum’s focus on the unique and considerable maritime history while playing its part in a cultural regeneration at the heart of the city.
Also singled out was the transformation and extension of Southampton’s Grade II listed former magistrates’ courts and police headquarters into a major cultural and heritage attraction.
At its opening in April this year, exactly a hundred years to the day the Titanic set sail, the museum showed off its 2,500-strong collection of documents, recordings and artefacts from the ill-fated voyage.
The museum was built alongside the renovation of the Southampton Civic Centre.
The northern façade of the building features a bold new exhibition pavilion in which to display Southampton’s rich and varied aquatic heritage. "
>
For the SeaCity Museum to be in the running for a prestigious award in competition with other amazing designs from around the globe is a major feather in our cap. The citizens of the Southampton should be proud that their City has achieved this recognition and thank the people who conceived and built this wonderful Museum.
The bolted-on SeaCity Museum is ugly. Exceedingly ugly. Monstrously ugly.
In 20 years time its ugliness will be universally recognised. Then, it will justly suffer the same fate as Portsmouth's ugly Tricorn, and be demolished because of it's ugliness.
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It's a shame that the Civic Centre is a grade 2 listed building because it is a poor use of space in a modern City. A new building could mean all council staff working in one building instead of the expense of staff being scattered all over the place! But hey, that's just me thinking out loud!
clausentum
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8:57pm Thu 16 Aug 12
An unnecessary patronising comment.
I'm familiar with many modern buildings particularly those that represent stunning architectural design and possess the dazzling ability to lift the human spirit.
The issue I have with this particular building is not the fact it is modern in design but simply ugly. The definition of "ugliness"can be applied to both old or modern buildings alike.
loosehead
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9:03pm Thu 16 Aug 12
Linesman wrote:Really the same Labour council that wants to put extra people on the dole to restore pay to people over £17,500 & if the unions had seen sense over £22,000?
Shoong wrote:It would not have been built by a Labour administration if it had meant making people out of work and cutting their salaries to pay for it.
Over the Edge wrote:I suspect if it was built by a Labour administration it would be the best thing since sliced bread.
I compare it to a pussing boil of the face of a supermodel.
Horrible monstrosity that shouldn't win a raffle let alone a Structural award.
Happened to cost us a pretty packet too.
Of the 60,000 how went in free using Royston's electoral bribe ticket?
How many councillors will be attending the awards ceremony (at our expense)?
This is a Royston Smith dream, which shows he was out of touch with reality.
OSPREYSAINT
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10:53pm Thu 16 Aug 12
loosehead wrote:The fact it is a "Labour" council so to speak probably isn't relevant, if it was a "Communist" Council, there are still things that have to be addressed and there isn't much room for manoeuver I guess. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess, the building design is a little bit different but not as bad as some carbuncles!
Linesman wrote:Really the same Labour council that wants to put extra people on the dole to restore pay to people over £17,500 & if the unions had seen sense over £22,000?
Shoong wrote:It would not have been built by a Labour administration if it had meant making people out of work and cutting their salaries to pay for it.
Over the Edge wrote:I suspect if it was built by a Labour administration it would be the best thing since sliced bread.
I compare it to a pussing boil of the face of a supermodel.
Horrible monstrosity that shouldn't win a raffle let alone a Structural award.
Happened to cost us a pretty packet too.
Of the 60,000 how went in free using Royston's electoral bribe ticket?
How many councillors will be attending the awards ceremony (at our expense)?
This is a Royston Smith dream, which shows he was out of touch with reality.
Ant Smoking MP
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8:13am Fri 17 Aug 12
Shoong wrote:Why would a Labour administration have built it?
Over the Edge wrote:I suspect if it was built by a Labour administration it would be the best thing since sliced bread.
I compare it to a pussing boil of the face of a supermodel.
Horrible monstrosity that shouldn't win a raffle let alone a Structural award.
Happened to cost us a pretty packet too.
Of the 60,000 how went in free using Royston's electoral bribe ticket?
How many councillors will be attending the awards ceremony (at our expense)?
loosehead
says...
9:00am Fri 17 Aug 12
Ant Smoking MP wrote:Excatly what did Labour ever build? what did they ever do to benefit the people of this city?
Shoong wrote:Why would a Labour administration have built it?
Over the Edge wrote:I suspect if it was built by a Labour administration it would be the best thing since sliced bread.
I compare it to a pussing boil of the face of a supermodel.
Horrible monstrosity that shouldn't win a raffle let alone a Structural award.
Happened to cost us a pretty packet too.
Of the 60,000 how went in free using Royston's electoral bribe ticket?
How many councillors will be attending the awards ceremony (at our expense)?
Good question Ant nice to see you're realising what Labour has done for this city NOTHING
pod
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9:05am Fri 17 Aug 12
Georgem wrote:thank you, it has worked again
southy wrote:That has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. Do you even bother reading posts any more, or do you just ask Rahit Maryada to do it for you?
Georgem wrote:It proves that the Tory Council was wasting tax payers money on white elephants, they was even warned by the Travling Titanic Museum that it would make a lost.
southy wrote:But profits are bad anyway, right Comrade? So it all works out in the end. The Museum of the People won't win an award, and everything is right with the world again.
Sovietobserver wrote:Thats if it is stays that long.
It's a magnificent design, but its juxtaposition to the older building makes it look like aliens were involved somehow. Yes it is jarring and incongruous.
When Pei's pyramid at the Louvre was new (1988), I recall that it received some negative reviews by critics. Is anyone aware of what the critics' views are now ?
Maybe after 50 years SeaCity Museum will be quoted as acceptable, and after 100 years be respectable.
Linesman
SeaCity Museum is all ready running at a lost, where as the one in Belfast is making a profit, I will not be surprise to see Belfast win this award.
TEBOURBA
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5:31pm Fri 17 Aug 12
If the population of Southampton is say, for ease of maths, 240,000 and the Echo quotes 60,000 visitors to date, doesn't that mean that at the very least,180,000 or 75% of Sotonians have spurned the chance to get in for nothing?
It is hardly likely that the missing 180,000 will be clamouring to stump up the full admission price and the 60,000 who have already visited, will want to visit again in the near future.
So where will the paying customers come from??
Can the Echo, in its role as the voice of Southampton, find out and publish the number of PAYING customers that have attended the museum, per week, since its opening and the number of PAYING customers required per week for it to break even.
I think this is a reasonable and simple question both to ask and to answer.
My experience of most new enterprises, particularly local ones, (we are not talking of Disney World) is that they attract large numbers during the first few months of opening, which gradually reduce as the novelty wears off.
Leaving the freebies to one side, I would therefore expect the PAYING attendance during the first 4 or 5 months of opening to be much higher than the average, thereby painting a a rosier picture.
OSPREYSAINT
says...
8:23pm Fri 17 Aug 12
OSPREYSAINT
says...
8:26pm Fri 17 Aug 12
TEBOURBA wrote:I received the Freebee but opted to pay, and was well satisfied.
I believe every home was sent a "get in free pass" to the museum.
If the population of Southampton is say, for ease of maths, 240,000 and the Echo quotes 60,000 visitors to date, doesn't that mean that at the very least,180,000 or 75% of Sotonians have spurned the chance to get in for nothing?
It is hardly likely that the missing 180,000 will be clamouring to stump up the full admission price and the 60,000 who have already visited, will want to visit again in the near future.
So where will the paying customers come from??
Can the Echo, in its role as the voice of Southampton, find out and publish the number of PAYING customers that have attended the museum, per week, since its opening and the number of PAYING customers required per week for it to break even.
I think this is a reasonable and simple question both to ask and to answer.
My experience of most new enterprises, particularly local ones, (we are not talking of Disney World) is that they attract large numbers during the first few months of opening, which gradually reduce as the novelty wears off.
Leaving the freebies to one side, I would therefore expect the PAYING attendance during the first 4 or 5 months of opening to be much higher than the average, thereby painting a a rosier picture.
OSPREYSAINT
says...
8:28pm Fri 17 Aug 12
loosehead wrote:LH Can you quote the dates when Labour were in power to make it easier for me to Google for the information? Thanks
Ant Smoking MP wrote:Excatly what did Labour ever build? what did they ever do to benefit the people of this city?
Shoong wrote:Why would a Labour administration have built it?
Over the Edge wrote:I suspect if it was built by a Labour administration it would be the best thing since sliced bread.
I compare it to a pussing boil of the face of a supermodel.
Horrible monstrosity that shouldn't win a raffle let alone a Structural award.
Happened to cost us a pretty packet too.
Of the 60,000 how went in free using Royston's electoral bribe ticket?
How many councillors will be attending the awards ceremony (at our expense)?
Good question Ant nice to see you're realising what Labour has done for this city NOTHING
loosehead
says...
9:46pm Fri 17 Aug 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Osprey please tell me then exactly what besides a Football stadium which if I'm correct we the tax payers stumped up £1million to find a suitable site but was built with private money did June Bridles council build for this city?
loosehead wrote:LH Can you quote the dates when Labour were in power to make it easier for me to Google for the information? Thanks
Ant Smoking MP wrote:Excatly what did Labour ever build? what did they ever do to benefit the people of this city?
Shoong wrote:Why would a Labour administration have built it?
Over the Edge wrote:I suspect if it was built by a Labour administration it would be the best thing since sliced bread.
I compare it to a pussing boil of the face of a supermodel.
Horrible monstrosity that shouldn't win a raffle let alone a Structural award.
Happened to cost us a pretty packet too.
Of the 60,000 how went in free using Royston's electoral bribe ticket?
How many councillors will be attending the awards ceremony (at our expense)?
Good question Ant nice to see you're realising what Labour has done for this city NOTHING
West Quay & Asda's were already signed sealed deals done by the previous Tory administration so if you can show me I will apologise
Northamboy says...
7:32am Thu 16 Aug 12
I seriously hope it gets no award whatsoever and eventually gets put back to how it was before. Never happen of course but it's how I feel about it.