Crestwood School sends pupils home for wearing wrong uniform

Daily Echo: Pupils walking home from school Pupils walking home from school

TOUGH-talking head teacher Krista Dawkins had promised a crackdown on pupils not wearing the right uniform – and she didn’t disappoint.

As children returned to class at Crestwood College in Eastleigh yesterday, shocked parents were summoned to collect 20 youngsters who had fallen foul of the “zero tolerance” policy by wearing the wrong trousers.

Another three youngsters were kept in an internal “inclusion zone” because their trousers did not comply with uniform policy.

Children and parents had been informed by letter that “skinny” trousers and leggings would not be accepted at the school, and had been warned in advance that youngsters would be turned away if they were not wearing the right clothes.

Many mums and dads the Daily Echo spoke to were totally supportive of the hard-hitting new approach to policing the rules.

However some parents have been angered by the school’s draconian approach – and say they have been left out of pocket, having just bought new school clothes for their children.

Now the school has announced it will hold a uniform “amnesty” until Monday morning to allow parents time to buy the right trousers.

James Walker’s daughter Laura, 15, from Chandler’s Ford , was one of the pupils sent home.

He said: “They are nothing like skinny jeans – she was wearing just a normal pair of trouser s and last year they were acceptable. I’m fuming and I think it’s very dictatorial to send her home. All the parents in Eastleigh are out looking for this elusive pair of trousers and they’ve all sold out.

“We had to buy ones that are the wrong size and get them taken in and I’m now £25 out of pocket.”

Deborah Havard, 48, from Chandler’s Ford, whose daughter Rhia, 12, goes to the school said: “I think I prefer the more casual uniform from before. I think they should wear a uniform– but I prefer the casual style, mainly because I don’t have to do as much ironing.”

The school had changed its uniform for the start of term following complaints from parents that the old one did not wear well.

The new uniform consists of black blazers, burgundy jumpers, white shirts and a tie – although the change is being phased in for all but the new Year 7 intake.

But Crestwood College says that the rule on trousers was already in place.

Mrs Dawkins said: “We have taken a zero tolerance approach today. No child was sent home because of the new uniform. Children were sent home for defying existing uniform rules that have been in place for a long time.

“If you went to work at Sainsbury’s or in any establishment that has a uniform, you would not be allowed to go to work if you weren’t wearing the correct uniform.

“This isn’t unique to this school – we’re trying to set the standard at the beginning of the year. We even gave parents photographs of what were acceptable trousers.

“We are just looking for trousers that are straight leg trousers and loose fitting, which you can buy in any supermarket.

“I want to distinguish what is acceptable for the weekend and what is acceptable when they come into school to work.

“The school has a hardship fund and we have helped lots of families to buy uniform. I’m doing all I can to help families adhere to school rules.”

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11:07am Thu 6 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Congrats to Krista Dawkins. The rules are the rules and it looks like notice was given that was quite clear. As soon as you make an exception they'll al be doing it. School hopefully should be about discipline. It's not a fashion show, as much as I'm sure teenage girls would like it to be!
Congrats to Krista Dawkins. The rules are the rules and it looks like notice was given that was quite clear. As soon as you make an exception they'll al be doing it. School hopefully should be about discipline. It's not a fashion show, as much as I'm sure teenage girls would like it to be! Shoong

11:14am Thu 6 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Given what Feathers McGraw tried to do with the wrong trousers, I think people are right to be concerned.
Given what Feathers McGraw tried to do with the wrong trousers, I think people are right to be concerned. Georgem

11:15am Thu 6 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

"The school had changed its uniform for the start of term", meaning that the parents had to replace the old ones? How much did that cost each parent? “The school has a hardship fund and have helped lots of families to buy uniform". How many people are humiliated at having to grovel for funds to but their kids their Uniform? I agree the pupils should take pride in their appearance but limitting the choice is a bit OTT, perhaps the School has shares in Uniform Manufactures or the shops that exclusively sell them?
"The school had changed its uniform for the start of term", meaning that the parents had to replace the old ones? How much did that cost each parent? “The school has a hardship fund and have helped lots of families to buy uniform". How many people are humiliated at having to grovel for funds to but their kids their Uniform? I agree the pupils should take pride in their appearance but limitting the choice is a bit OTT, perhaps the School has shares in Uniform Manufactures or the shops that exclusively sell them? OSPREYSAINT

11:16am Thu 6 Sep 12

Barbender says...

To set an example teachers should wear a uniform, after all most of them are paid more than most parents.
To set an example teachers should wear a uniform, after all most of them are paid more than most parents. Barbender

11:20am Thu 6 Sep 12

Irate Wintonian says...

Appreciate that the colour should be correct for the uniform, but to specify the cut of the trousers to that degree is a step too far.
Appreciate that the colour should be correct for the uniform, but to specify the cut of the trousers to that degree is a step too far. Irate Wintonian

11:20am Thu 6 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

If a parent wants to take their kids out of school for an "in term" break there is an enormous hullabaloo, that they will be missing out on vital education, it is OK to take them out to miss lessons on a point of order over Uniform, double standards methinks.
If a parent wants to take their kids out of school for an "in term" break there is an enormous hullabaloo, that they will be missing out on vital education, it is OK to take them out to miss lessons on a point of order over Uniform, double standards methinks. OSPREYSAINT

11:22am Thu 6 Sep 12

bazzeroz says...

There's nothing smarter than kids in school uniform. It sets an example to the public and they should be proud to look smart in, the correct school wear. If some families can't afford it I'm sure there's some kind of fund to help. You can kit a kid out in Tesco's for about £15 I believe. Less than the child's mobile top up a month!
There's nothing smarter than kids in school uniform. It sets an example to the public and they should be proud to look smart in, the correct school wear. If some families can't afford it I'm sure there's some kind of fund to help. You can kit a kid out in Tesco's for about £15 I believe. Less than the child's mobile top up a month! bazzeroz

11:23am Thu 6 Sep 12

Georgem says...

"No child was sent home because of the new uniform. Children were sent home for defying existing uniform rules that have been in place for a long time"

Not quite sure what the complaint is, if this is true.
"No child was sent home because of the new uniform. Children were sent home for defying existing uniform rules that have been in place for a long time" Not quite sure what the complaint is, if this is true. Georgem

11:27am Thu 6 Sep 12

hulla baloo says...

No Sympathy. They were given the requirements and chose to ignore them.
If the schoolo were to back down now, it will send out a bad example to the pupils that they can break rules and get away with it.

Stick to your guns.
No Sympathy. They were given the requirements and chose to ignore them. If the schoolo were to back down now, it will send out a bad example to the pupils that they can break rules and get away with it. Stick to your guns. hulla baloo

11:28am Thu 6 Sep 12

Of the Ilk says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
"The school had changed its uniform for the start of term", meaning that the parents had to replace the old ones? How much did that cost each parent? “The school has a hardship fund and have helped lots of families to buy uniform". How many people are humiliated at having to grovel for funds to but their kids their Uniform? I agree the pupils should take pride in their appearance but limitting the choice is a bit OTT, perhaps the School has shares in Uniform Manufactures or the shops that exclusively sell them?
The new uniform is being phased in over time for all but year 7 (the new intake). The trouser rule has been the same for years - I think it has not changed since my daughter left 12 years ago. No one has been 'forced' to go out and 'replace' uniform
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: "The school had changed its uniform for the start of term", meaning that the parents had to replace the old ones? How much did that cost each parent? “The school has a hardship fund and have helped lots of families to buy uniform". How many people are humiliated at having to grovel for funds to but their kids their Uniform? I agree the pupils should take pride in their appearance but limitting the choice is a bit OTT, perhaps the School has shares in Uniform Manufactures or the shops that exclusively sell them?[/p][/quote]The new uniform is being phased in over time for all but year 7 (the new intake). The trouser rule has been the same for years - I think it has not changed since my daughter left 12 years ago. No one has been 'forced' to go out and 'replace' uniform Of the Ilk

11:37am Thu 6 Sep 12

C-L-F says...

With children that go to Crestwood I have got to defend the school as they have been saying for months that they are going to clamp down and ban the wearing of skinny trousers and leggings.
Parents have been informed since May 2012 in every communication methos possible that pupils wearing inappropriate trousers and skirts will be sent home.
Sadly if parents are going to ignore the letters and emails etc and buy their children the inapproprite clothing for school then they are at fault and not the school.
With children that go to Crestwood I have got to defend the school as they have been saying for months that they are going to clamp down and ban the wearing of skinny trousers and leggings. Parents have been informed since May 2012 in every communication methos possible that pupils wearing inappropriate trousers and skirts will be sent home. Sadly if parents are going to ignore the letters and emails etc and buy their children the inapproprite clothing for school then they are at fault and not the school. C-L-F

11:42am Thu 6 Sep 12

Almoace says...

I agree that there should be strict uniform rules, but sending children home due to wrong uniform I think is over the top. Schools are fast enough to complain and even fine parents if our children miss school, but yet its ok to send children home and deny education due to the wrong trousers for example. I myself have 6 children in two schools and know how hard it is to find the correct uniform anywhere in stock, so there should be some understanding from the school and either send a letter home or phone the parents themselfs, afterall its the parents that buy most school uniforms for their children.
Also I agree with the point that why dont teacher's wear a set uniform, they also represent the school and should lead by example.
I agree that there should be strict uniform rules, but sending children home due to wrong uniform I think is over the top. Schools are fast enough to complain and even fine parents if our children miss school, but yet its ok to send children home and deny education due to the wrong trousers for example. I myself have 6 children in two schools and know how hard it is to find the correct uniform anywhere in stock, so there should be some understanding from the school and either send a letter home or phone the parents themselfs, afterall its the parents that buy most school uniforms for their children. Also I agree with the point that why dont teacher's wear a set uniform, they also represent the school and should lead by example. Almoace

11:43am Thu 6 Sep 12

jojotgirl says...

Kids grow and most parents replace uniform during the summer school holidays etc. It costs the same (possibly less) to buy kids uniform trousers as opposed to the skinny jeans / twill leggings that have become fashionable. This is more about parents being parents and making sure their kids comply with uniform policies whether they have a teenage strop or not! My youngest is 6 and already likes to choose her own uniform, but her choices are (and believe me, will continue to be) approved by me before I hand over the cash! Same with school girls in skirts so short you can see their bums......call me draconian if you like, but it is just not appropriate for school and parents should take full responsibility. I do!
Kids grow and most parents replace uniform during the summer school holidays etc. It costs the same (possibly less) to buy kids uniform trousers as opposed to the skinny jeans / twill leggings that have become fashionable. This is more about parents being parents and making sure their kids comply with uniform policies whether they have a teenage strop or not! My youngest is 6 and already likes to choose her own uniform, but her choices are (and believe me, will continue to be) approved by me before I hand over the cash! Same with school girls in skirts so short you can see their bums......call me draconian if you like, but it is just not appropriate for school and parents should take full responsibility. I do! jojotgirl

11:44am Thu 6 Sep 12

Likesadrink says...

The best quote was from the woman that didn't want to buy proper trousers as they took longer to iron. That is the sort of moron we are dealing with here.

Well done Krista Dawkins, school is about preparing yourself for the real world. Turn up to work with the wrong gear on and you don't work or get paid, clearly parents like the one allergic to ironing trousers don't have experience of a proper working environment and are preparing their kids for a life on the dole.
The best quote was from the woman that didn't want to buy proper trousers as they took longer to iron. That is the sort of moron we are dealing with here. Well done Krista Dawkins, school is about preparing yourself for the real world. Turn up to work with the wrong gear on and you don't work or get paid, clearly parents like the one allergic to ironing trousers don't have experience of a proper working environment and are preparing their kids for a life on the dole. Likesadrink

11:47am Thu 6 Sep 12

George4th says...

Shoong wrote:
Congrats to Krista Dawkins. The rules are the rules and it looks like notice was given that was quite clear. As soon as you make an exception they'll al be doing it. School hopefully should be about discipline. It's not a fashion show, as much as I'm sure teenage girls would like it to be!
Totally agree.
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It gives the children (and they are children) a level playing field for their time at school. There is enough competition outside of school for who has the best designer gear etc etc.!
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Congrats to Krista Dawkins. The rules are the rules and it looks like notice was given that was quite clear. As soon as you make an exception they'll al be doing it. School hopefully should be about discipline. It's not a fashion show, as much as I'm sure teenage girls would like it to be![/p][/quote]Totally agree. > It gives the children (and they are children) a level playing field for their time at school. There is enough competition outside of school for who has the best designer gear etc etc.! George4th

11:49am Thu 6 Sep 12

Likesadrink says...

Oh and the woman above with 6 kids (Almoace), wanting teachers to wear uniform. My missus is a teacher at a Hampshire School, got a first in a Science degree, Outstanding at Masters and did a year PCGE on £500 a month before training. She dresses very smartly and, quite frankly has earned the right to do so as a professional. As have I, in my office. We wear shirt and tie, where we get them from is up to us, if you don't look smart you get pulled up for disciplinarary. That's life in a professional job, clearly as a full time mum you wouldn't know about this.

Please also read the article, the parents were informed of the changes at the start of the school holidays, plenty of time to buy the correct uniform. To suggest otherwise is moronic. Well done to the parents of the 250+ kids that got it right, only a tiny % of idiots chose to ignore the letter from the school.
Oh and the woman above with 6 kids (Almoace), wanting teachers to wear uniform. My missus is a teacher at a Hampshire School, got a first in a Science degree, Outstanding at Masters and did a year PCGE on £500 a month before training. She dresses very smartly and, quite frankly has earned the right to do so as a professional. As have I, in my office. We wear shirt and tie, where we get them from is up to us, if you don't look smart you get pulled up for disciplinarary. That's life in a professional job, clearly as a full time mum you wouldn't know about this. Please also read the article, the parents were informed of the changes at the start of the school holidays, plenty of time to buy the correct uniform. To suggest otherwise is moronic. Well done to the parents of the 250+ kids that got it right, only a tiny % of idiots chose to ignore the letter from the school. Likesadrink

11:50am Thu 6 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Irate Wintonian wrote:
Appreciate that the colour should be correct for the uniform, but to specify the cut of the trousers to that degree is a step too far.
No, it's not.

Fashion concious teenagers will even make a fashion statement out of the cut of the trousers.If you haven't got the 'in' cut, you could be the subject of ridicule.

The point of school uniforms is that every pupil wears the same.
[quote][p][bold]Irate Wintonian[/bold] wrote: Appreciate that the colour should be correct for the uniform, but to specify the cut of the trousers to that degree is a step too far.[/p][/quote]No, it's not. Fashion concious teenagers will even make a fashion statement out of the cut of the trousers.If you haven't got the 'in' cut, you could be the subject of ridicule. The point of school uniforms is that every pupil wears the same. Shoong

12:08pm Thu 6 Sep 12

C-L-F says...

Irate Wintonian wrote:
Appreciate that the colour should be correct for the uniform, but to specify the cut of the trousers to that degree is a step too far.

When you get a group of year 11`s organising to boycott the trouser rule and wear leggings which many styles are see through and totally not suitable for any school (let alone some of the girls that wear them) its certaining is not a step too far to enforce a strict trousers and skirt rule.
Irate Wintonian wrote: Appreciate that the colour should be correct for the uniform, but to specify the cut of the trousers to that degree is a step too far. When you get a group of year 11`s organising to boycott the trouser rule and wear leggings which many styles are see through and totally not suitable for any school (let alone some of the girls that wear them) its certaining is not a step too far to enforce a strict trousers and skirt rule. C-L-F

12:08pm Thu 6 Sep 12

SparkyDoo says...

The whole point of uniform is that everyone is the same and that the pupils look smart when at school and on their way to / from school.

I see no problem with sending people home who have the wrong uniform, they have been told since May that the change was coming into place. If I turned up at work without the correct uniform, I would be told to go home and change into the correct uniform before I could start my work.

No sympathy for the parents who ignore these rules.
The whole point of uniform is that everyone is the same and that the pupils look smart when at school and on their way to / from school. I see no problem with sending people home who have the wrong uniform, they have been told since May that the change was coming into place. If I turned up at work without the correct uniform, I would be told to go home and change into the correct uniform before I could start my work. No sympathy for the parents who ignore these rules. SparkyDoo

12:15pm Thu 6 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

This is exactly where so many problems in society come from!! Parents blatantly ignoring instructions from the school and no doubt bragging to their kids they are going to ignore the letter of instruction.

Why do we then expect certain kids to turn out as yobs later in life when the parents are telling them it's ok to ignore rules and regulations.

Makes me so angry!.
This is exactly where so many problems in society come from!! Parents blatantly ignoring instructions from the school and no doubt bragging to their kids they are going to ignore the letter of instruction. Why do we then expect certain kids to turn out as yobs later in life when the parents are telling them it's ok to ignore rules and regulations. Makes me so angry!. IronLady2010

12:18pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Martin Caine says...

Strangely enough our youngest just finished school at St Aldhams Academy in Poole, were everyone had to wear exactly the same uniform, fair play to the school they paid for the uniforms not the parents but it was interesting to see that even with this regimental idea they ended up with the worst grades in the UK, I personally think a child is more comfortable in clothes of choice and thus will be more relaxed and learn more and after all is it not the child's education that is paramount ?
Strangely enough our youngest just finished school at St Aldhams Academy in Poole, were everyone had to wear exactly the same uniform, fair play to the school they paid for the uniforms not the parents but it was interesting to see that even with this regimental idea they ended up with the worst grades in the UK, I personally think a child is more comfortable in clothes of choice and thus will be more relaxed and learn more and after all is it not the child's education that is paramount ? Martin Caine

12:28pm Thu 6 Sep 12

bigfella777 says...

Totally agree,when I was at school,incorrect uniform, sent out of class.
Its important because it teaches children discipline and they learn they cant do what they want all the time.
The state some girls go to school in is a disgrace.
Totally agree,when I was at school,incorrect uniform, sent out of class. Its important because it teaches children discipline and they learn they cant do what they want all the time. The state some girls go to school in is a disgrace. bigfella777

12:29pm Thu 6 Sep 12

midanburyway says...

i can remember when i went to school in the seventies, there is always gonna be the 'uncool' kids.....i was one of them and i dont want my daughter to be treated like i was.....i have just trudged around town looking for school trou sers for her and it is not an experience i want to repeat again soon....had a letter before the holidays about the sort of trousers they should be wearing, but to recieve a text message yesterday to remind me is over the top...glad to see my taxes that pay for the achools is put to good use sending bullying texts...and they better not send my child home using this excuse either...
i can remember when i went to school in the seventies, there is always gonna be the 'uncool' kids.....i was one of them and i dont want my daughter to be treated like i was.....i have just trudged around town looking for school trou sers for her and it is not an experience i want to repeat again soon....had a letter before the holidays about the sort of trousers they should be wearing, but to recieve a text message yesterday to remind me is over the top...glad to see my taxes that pay for the achools is put to good use sending bullying texts...and they better not send my child home using this excuse either... midanburyway

12:37pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Likesadrink says...

midanburyway wrote:
i can remember when i went to school in the seventies, there is always gonna be the 'uncool' kids.....i was one of them and i dont want my daughter to be treated like i was.....i have just trudged around town looking for school trou sers for her and it is not an experience i want to repeat again soon....had a letter before the holidays about the sort of trousers they should be wearing, but to recieve a text message yesterday to remind me is over the top...glad to see my taxes that pay for the achools is put to good use sending bullying texts...and they better not send my child home using this excuse either...
Now where to start with this post eh? Firstly I hope your daughter doesn't repeat your use if "i" rather than "I".

Secondly, you mentioned being informed before the holidays about the sort of trousers suitable. Why on earth are you "trudging around town looking for trousers" now, 6+ weeks later?

Also, what is "bullying" about a text sent reminding you of the uniform change? Great comm's from the school I would suggest.
[quote][p][bold]midanburyway[/bold] wrote: i can remember when i went to school in the seventies, there is always gonna be the 'uncool' kids.....i was one of them and i dont want my daughter to be treated like i was.....i have just trudged around town looking for school trou sers for her and it is not an experience i want to repeat again soon....had a letter before the holidays about the sort of trousers they should be wearing, but to recieve a text message yesterday to remind me is over the top...glad to see my taxes that pay for the achools is put to good use sending bullying texts...and they better not send my child home using this excuse either...[/p][/quote]Now where to start with this post eh? Firstly I hope your daughter doesn't repeat your use if "i" rather than "I". Secondly, you mentioned being informed before the holidays about the sort of trousers suitable. Why on earth are you "trudging around town looking for trousers" now, 6+ weeks later? Also, what is "bullying" about a text sent reminding you of the uniform change? Great comm's from the school I would suggest. Likesadrink

12:45pm Thu 6 Sep 12

hays1179 says...

rules are rules my daughter was sent home yesterday for not wearing correct shoes and so were many other kids and that was at chamberlayne collage for the arts i think uniform sets a standard and children should wear the correct uniform especially when it is a mixed school th girls dress to impress the boys and its not right !!
rules are rules my daughter was sent home yesterday for not wearing correct shoes and so were many other kids and that was at chamberlayne collage for the arts i think uniform sets a standard and children should wear the correct uniform especially when it is a mixed school th girls dress to impress the boys and its not right !! hays1179

1:02pm Thu 6 Sep 12

MGRA says...

the parents should just LEARN TO READ and not buy incorrect clothes in the first place. Talk about stupid.
the parents should just LEARN TO READ and not buy incorrect clothes in the first place. Talk about stupid. MGRA

1:02pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Helen378 says...

The school has sent enough letters with plenty of notice for the change of uniform, there is a year changeover period. As for the school trouser policy this has been stated over a number of months and isn't something new, Crestwood should stick to their policies, there is no excuse for parents having bought incorrect trousers, perhaps the parents should learn how to say no!
The school has sent enough letters with plenty of notice for the change of uniform, there is a year changeover period. As for the school trouser policy this has been stated over a number of months and isn't something new, Crestwood should stick to their policies, there is no excuse for parents having bought incorrect trousers, perhaps the parents should learn how to say no! Helen378

1:03pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Helen378 says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
This is exactly where so many problems in society come from!! Parents blatantly ignoring instructions from the school and no doubt bragging to their kids they are going to ignore the letter of instruction.

Why do we then expect certain kids to turn out as yobs later in life when the parents are telling them it's ok to ignore rules and regulations.

Makes me so angry!.
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: This is exactly where so many problems in society come from!! Parents blatantly ignoring instructions from the school and no doubt bragging to their kids they are going to ignore the letter of instruction. Why do we then expect certain kids to turn out as yobs later in life when the parents are telling them it's ok to ignore rules and regulations. Makes me so angry!.[/p][/quote]Well said! Helen378

1:06pm Thu 6 Sep 12

solomum says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
This is exactly where so many problems in society come from!! Parents blatantly ignoring instructions from the school and no doubt bragging to their kids they are going to ignore the letter of instruction.

Why do we then expect certain kids to turn out as yobs later in life when the parents are telling them it's ok to ignore rules and regulations.

Makes me so angry!.
I couldn't agree with you more. Children need to learn that there are rules in life that have to be adhered to. As a mum myself, I dread the cost of school uniform as much as anyone else, but it is a requirement of the school and needs to be adhered to. If I chose to ignore my employers dress code, I would be sent home to change. I would also be marked as having unsatisfactory conduct. This is the real world and it is the parents who cause most of the issues. Only yesterday on Facebook, a parent was moaning in very unsavoury language about the school for sending their child home for not complying with the dress code. With parents like that, what hope do the children have of turning out as respectable adults. It should be the parents who bring their children up to respect others and respect rules, but unfortunately some parents are not mature enough to abide by rules themselves.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: This is exactly where so many problems in society come from!! Parents blatantly ignoring instructions from the school and no doubt bragging to their kids they are going to ignore the letter of instruction. Why do we then expect certain kids to turn out as yobs later in life when the parents are telling them it's ok to ignore rules and regulations. Makes me so angry!.[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree with you more. Children need to learn that there are rules in life that have to be adhered to. As a mum myself, I dread the cost of school uniform as much as anyone else, but it is a requirement of the school and needs to be adhered to. If I chose to ignore my employers dress code, I would be sent home to change. I would also be marked as having unsatisfactory conduct. This is the real world and it is the parents who cause most of the issues. Only yesterday on Facebook, a parent was moaning in very unsavoury language about the school for sending their child home for not complying with the dress code. With parents like that, what hope do the children have of turning out as respectable adults. It should be the parents who bring their children up to respect others and respect rules, but unfortunately some parents are not mature enough to abide by rules themselves. solomum

1:13pm Thu 6 Sep 12

hollow says...

Why is discipline not understood or liked by modern society. Lack of it is the cause of so much of what is wrong with this country today.
Why is discipline not understood or liked by modern society. Lack of it is the cause of so much of what is wrong with this country today. hollow

1:13pm Thu 6 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

It's all pants, let's drop the subject.
It's all pants, let's drop the subject. OSPREYSAINT

1:17pm Thu 6 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
This is exactly where so many problems in society come from!! Parents blatantly ignoring instructions from the school and no doubt bragging to their kids they are going to ignore the letter of instruction.

Why do we then expect certain kids to turn out as yobs later in life when the parents are telling them it's ok to ignore rules and regulations.

Makes me so angry!.
I reckon parents should be banned from having children, they are nothing but trouble from the day that they are born, can't bear kids myself.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: This is exactly where so many problems in society come from!! Parents blatantly ignoring instructions from the school and no doubt bragging to their kids they are going to ignore the letter of instruction. Why do we then expect certain kids to turn out as yobs later in life when the parents are telling them it's ok to ignore rules and regulations. Makes me so angry!.[/p][/quote]I reckon parents should be banned from having children, they are nothing but trouble from the day that they are born, can't bear kids myself. OSPREYSAINT

1:22pm Thu 6 Sep 12

soton-mike80 says...

I was at secondary school from 1991 - my school uniform was prescribed strictly, as it had been throughout primary and infants school.

Any pupil not wearing the correct uniform was sent home and given a week's detention (1 hour a day after school). Those caught with their shirt not tucked in were given one hour detention for the same reason... What do you think the result was?

...Everyone looked clean, smart and had real school spirit.

I say every school should implement a strict uniform policy as it teaches discipline and comradery - something this country desperately needs!
I was at secondary school from 1991 - my school uniform was prescribed strictly, as it had been throughout primary and infants school. Any pupil not wearing the correct uniform was sent home and given a week's detention (1 hour a day after school). Those caught with their shirt not tucked in were given one hour detention for the same reason... What do you think the result was? ...Everyone looked clean, smart and had real school spirit. I say every school should implement a strict uniform policy as it teaches discipline and comradery - something this country desperately needs! soton-mike80

1:24pm Thu 6 Sep 12

RonFox17 says...

My daughter was sent home today. Apparently the style dosnt look good on bigger girls. My daughter is tall and slim and looked very smart, I was shocked that this was the reason given by staff at TSTC.
My daughter was sent home today. Apparently the style dosnt look good on bigger girls. My daughter is tall and slim and looked very smart, I was shocked that this was the reason given by staff at TSTC. RonFox17

1:25pm Thu 6 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Enough levity, my nephew is a pupil at Crestwood, despite financial hardship his mother has ensured that he is fully kitted out with required uniform and he wears it with pride, which is how it should be, if the School makes rules they should be adhered to, but allowances should be made in certain circumstances depending on the individual cases, it really isn't that much of a news story, nor is it unique.
Enough levity, my nephew is a pupil at Crestwood, despite financial hardship his mother has ensured that he is fully kitted out with required uniform and he wears it with pride, which is how it should be, if the School makes rules they should be adhered to, but allowances should be made in certain circumstances depending on the individual cases, it really isn't that much of a news story, nor is it unique. OSPREYSAINT

1:27pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Niel says...

hays1179 wrote:
rules are rules my daughter was sent home yesterday for not wearing correct shoes and so were many other kids and that was at chamberlayne collage for the arts i think uniform sets a standard and children should wear the correct uniform especially when it is a mixed school th girls dress to impress the boys and its not right !!
As a school governor uniform is always an issue, but when a parent congratulates the school for doing the right thing, his daughter is "appropriately dressed to learn", unlike those attending another school from the same development where they are "allowed to dress like ****" (his view, I haven't seen them) you have to question if enough school's have thought through their uniform policies.
[quote][p][bold]hays1179[/bold] wrote: rules are rules my daughter was sent home yesterday for not wearing correct shoes and so were many other kids and that was at chamberlayne collage for the arts i think uniform sets a standard and children should wear the correct uniform especially when it is a mixed school th girls dress to impress the boys and its not right !![/p][/quote]As a school governor uniform is always an issue, but when a parent congratulates the school for doing the right thing, his daughter is "appropriately dressed to learn", unlike those attending another school from the same development where they are "allowed to dress like ****" (his view, I haven't seen them) you have to question if enough school's have thought through their uniform policies. Niel

1:40pm Thu 6 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this :

Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?

What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ?

Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.
Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this : Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ? What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ? Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety. BillyTheKid

1:43pm Thu 6 Sep 12

TEBOURBA says...

100% behind Krista Dawkins.
At last some discipline.
If stupid parents don't want their kids to conform to the rules of the school then remove them to another school --- simple!
No doubt these 20 stupid parents have known about the rules for at least 6 weeks and have had plenty of time to get the correct trousers.
As for the guy posing with is daughter
who is wearing trousers so tight they are full of wrinkles, he should either find her a new school, buy her new trousers that fit, or get her to go on a diet!!
100% behind Krista Dawkins. At last some discipline. If stupid parents don't want their kids to conform to the rules of the school then remove them to another school --- simple! No doubt these 20 stupid parents have known about the rules for at least 6 weeks and have had plenty of time to get the correct trousers. As for the guy posing with is daughter who is wearing trousers so tight they are full of wrinkles, he should either find her a new school, buy her new trousers that fit, or get her to go on a diet!! TEBOURBA

1:57pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this :

Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?

What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ?

Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.
How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up

If the parents are going to ignore the headteachers uniform policy are they really likely to support her in other ways.
Good on Ms Dawkins and shame on parents who can't be bothered to demonstrate a little respect for the rules to their children.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this : Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ? What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ? Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.[/p][/quote]How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up If the parents are going to ignore the headteachers uniform policy are they really likely to support her in other ways. Good on Ms Dawkins and shame on parents who can't be bothered to demonstrate a little respect for the rules to their children. Des Olated

2:01pm Thu 6 Sep 12

George4th says...

Martin Caine wrote:
Strangely enough our youngest just finished school at St Aldhams Academy in Poole, were everyone had to wear exactly the same uniform, fair play to the school they paid for the uniforms not the parents but it was interesting to see that even with this regimental idea they ended up with the worst grades in the UK, I personally think a child is more comfortable in clothes of choice and thus will be more relaxed and learn more and after all is it not the child's education that is paramount ?
"I personally think a child is more comfortable in clothes of choice and thus will be more relaxed and learn more"

(If I read this right?). There you have it - the answer to the nation's Education Policy! If you wear more "comfortable" (casual) clothes (instead of a comfortable specified uniform!) you will learn more in school! Genius! Wonder what Stephen Hawkins would say?!
[quote][p][bold]Martin Caine[/bold] wrote: Strangely enough our youngest just finished school at St Aldhams Academy in Poole, were everyone had to wear exactly the same uniform, fair play to the school they paid for the uniforms not the parents but it was interesting to see that even with this regimental idea they ended up with the worst grades in the UK, I personally think a child is more comfortable in clothes of choice and thus will be more relaxed and learn more and after all is it not the child's education that is paramount ?[/p][/quote]"I personally think a child is more comfortable in clothes of choice and thus will be more relaxed and learn more" (If I read this right?). There you have it - the answer to the nation's Education Policy! If you wear more "comfortable" (casual) clothes (instead of a comfortable specified uniform!) you will learn more in school! Genius! Wonder what Stephen Hawkins would say?! George4th

2:02pm Thu 6 Sep 12

batesieboy says...

Martin Caine wrote:
Strangely enough our youngest just finished school at St Aldhams Academy in Poole, were everyone had to wear exactly the same uniform, fair play to the school they paid for the uniforms not the parents but it was interesting to see that even with this regimental idea they ended up with the worst grades in the UK, I personally think a child is more comfortable in clothes of choice and thus will be more relaxed and learn more and after all is it not the child's education that is paramount ?
No Martin, it is obviously what YOU think that is paramount.
[quote][p][bold]Martin Caine[/bold] wrote: Strangely enough our youngest just finished school at St Aldhams Academy in Poole, were everyone had to wear exactly the same uniform, fair play to the school they paid for the uniforms not the parents but it was interesting to see that even with this regimental idea they ended up with the worst grades in the UK, I personally think a child is more comfortable in clothes of choice and thus will be more relaxed and learn more and after all is it not the child's education that is paramount ?[/p][/quote]No Martin, it is obviously what YOU think that is paramount. batesieboy

2:05pm Thu 6 Sep 12

George4th says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this :

Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?

What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ?

Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.
You are making the biggest assumptions!!
>
I'd be interested in your list of schools in and around Southampton in your order of preference from top to bottom..........
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this : Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ? What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ? Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.[/p][/quote]You are making the biggest assumptions!! > I'd be interested in your list of schools in and around Southampton in your order of preference from top to bottom.......... George4th

2:05pm Thu 6 Sep 12

debzy82 says...

I agree 100% with the school, it's a nice sight seeing kids smartly dressed in their uniforms. I love seeing my son dressed in his.
I just wish all schools would do this, my son's included, leggings etc... should be saved for out of school time as in my opinion they just don't look very smart. Rules should be set about shoes too!
I agree 100% with the school, it's a nice sight seeing kids smartly dressed in their uniforms. I love seeing my son dressed in his. I just wish all schools would do this, my son's included, leggings etc... should be saved for out of school time as in my opinion they just don't look very smart. Rules should be set about shoes too! debzy82

2:08pm Thu 6 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

Des Olated wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this :

Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?

What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ?

Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.
How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up

If the parents are going to ignore the headteachers uniform policy are they really likely to support her in other ways.
Good on Ms Dawkins and shame on parents who can't be bothered to demonstrate a little respect for the rules to their children.
"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety."

Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way.

All people are doing here is rabble-rousing, fanning the flames, and in fact making things even worse for Dawkins.

Not a good day for diplomacy, I think.
[quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this : Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ? What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ? Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.[/p][/quote]How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up If the parents are going to ignore the headteachers uniform policy are they really likely to support her in other ways. Good on Ms Dawkins and shame on parents who can't be bothered to demonstrate a little respect for the rules to their children.[/p][/quote]"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety." Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way. All people are doing here is rabble-rousing, fanning the flames, and in fact making things even worse for Dawkins. Not a good day for diplomacy, I think. BillyTheKid

2:12pm Thu 6 Sep 12

sensible mum says...

Firstly, as parents, we have not been told to go off and buy a new uniform, we have a year transition period and when our kids grow out of the old, we replace with the new. The new uniform works out cheaper than the old, is smarter and more hard wearing. It was voted in by the majority of parents and we were fully informed of the style of trousers and shoes expected. Anyone who struggles to pay for it are helped financially and this is done confidentially and with sensitivity. My son is still in the old uniform and had no problems because we have read the dozen letters letting us know the acceptable standards. Life is full of rules and regulations and our kids need to learn how to comply and take a pride in their appearance. I work in an establishment with a uniform and if I want to keep my job I respect my employer. In the evening and weekend when I am not representing my company, I can express myself wearing whatever I like. Mrs Dawkins, the majority of parents are right behind you. Well done.
Firstly, as parents, we have not been told to go off and buy a new uniform, we have a year transition period and when our kids grow out of the old, we replace with the new. The new uniform works out cheaper than the old, is smarter and more hard wearing. It was voted in by the majority of parents and we were fully informed of the style of trousers and shoes expected. Anyone who struggles to pay for it are helped financially and this is done confidentially and with sensitivity. My son is still in the old uniform and had no problems because we have read the dozen letters letting us know the acceptable standards. Life is full of rules and regulations and our kids need to learn how to comply and take a pride in their appearance. I work in an establishment with a uniform and if I want to keep my job I respect my employer. In the evening and weekend when I am not representing my company, I can express myself wearing whatever I like. Mrs Dawkins, the majority of parents are right behind you. Well done. sensible mum

2:15pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Can everyone who does not have 30 years teaching experience please pipe down now. Your opinions are invalid, apparently.
Can everyone who does not have 30 years teaching experience please pipe down now. Your opinions are invalid, apparently. Georgem

2:16pm Thu 6 Sep 12

DBTM says...

"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems"

My son goes to a good school in Hampshire that doesn't have any problems. Perhaps it is because they enfore the unifrom rules?

"Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?"

20 pupils sent home and the rest of them kept on. That would suggest to me that: yes, the rules are clear enough
"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems" My son goes to a good school in Hampshire that doesn't have any problems. Perhaps it is because they enfore the unifrom rules? "Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?" 20 pupils sent home and the rest of them kept on. That would suggest to me that: yes, the rules are clear enough DBTM

2:28pm Thu 6 Sep 12

erica smith says...

when I was at school the uniform had to be adhered to and quite rightly so however that didn't mean that parents had to spend more than they ought in order to comply. If the parents are actually interested in their childs education then they would not be quibbling so much and make more effort to ensure that their childs uniform was correct...
when I was at school the uniform had to be adhered to and quite rightly so however that didn't mean that parents had to spend more than they ought in order to comply. If the parents are actually interested in their childs education then they would not be quibbling so much and make more effort to ensure that their childs uniform was correct... erica smith

2:35pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Lone Ranger. says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this :

Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?

What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ?

Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.
How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up

If the parents are going to ignore the headteachers uniform policy are they really likely to support her in other ways.
Good on Ms Dawkins and shame on parents who can't be bothered to demonstrate a little respect for the rules to their children.
"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety."

Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way.

All people are doing here is rabble-rousing, fanning the flames, and in fact making things even worse for Dawkins.

Not a good day for diplomacy, I think.
As you have spent 30 years as a teacher in secondary education perhaps you can tell us what Ms Dawkins should be doing.
.
By the way ..... after 30 years teaching . welcome to the Real World
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this : Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ? What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ? Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.[/p][/quote]How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up If the parents are going to ignore the headteachers uniform policy are they really likely to support her in other ways. Good on Ms Dawkins and shame on parents who can't be bothered to demonstrate a little respect for the rules to their children.[/p][/quote]"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety." Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way. All people are doing here is rabble-rousing, fanning the flames, and in fact making things even worse for Dawkins. Not a good day for diplomacy, I think.[/p][/quote]As you have spent 30 years as a teacher in secondary education perhaps you can tell us what Ms Dawkins should be doing. . By the way ..... after 30 years teaching . welcome to the Real World Lone Ranger.

2:41pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this :

Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?

What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ?

Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.
How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up

If the parents are going to ignore the headteachers uniform policy are they really likely to support her in other ways.
Good on Ms Dawkins and shame on parents who can't be bothered to demonstrate a little respect for the rules to their children.
"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety."

Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way.

All people are doing here is rabble-rousing, fanning the flames, and in fact making things even worse for Dawkins.

Not a good day for diplomacy, I think.
As you have spent 30 years as a teacher in secondary education perhaps you can tell us what Ms Dawkins should be doing.
.
By the way ..... after 30 years teaching . welcome to the Real World
There is a generation who now almost automatically rebel against everything in authority and encourage their offspring to do the same
Enough. At some point you should accept certain conditions, in this case school uniform at this school. Don't like it? Fine, find another school for your kids.
Don't back down Ms Dawson, the ones who don't support you now probably won't on any other issues they don't like either.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this : Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ? What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ? Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.[/p][/quote]How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up If the parents are going to ignore the headteachers uniform policy are they really likely to support her in other ways. Good on Ms Dawkins and shame on parents who can't be bothered to demonstrate a little respect for the rules to their children.[/p][/quote]"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety." Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way. All people are doing here is rabble-rousing, fanning the flames, and in fact making things even worse for Dawkins. Not a good day for diplomacy, I think.[/p][/quote]As you have spent 30 years as a teacher in secondary education perhaps you can tell us what Ms Dawkins should be doing. . By the way ..... after 30 years teaching . welcome to the Real World[/p][/quote]There is a generation who now almost automatically rebel against everything in authority and encourage their offspring to do the same Enough. At some point you should accept certain conditions, in this case school uniform at this school. Don't like it? Fine, find another school for your kids. Don't back down Ms Dawson, the ones who don't support you now probably won't on any other issues they don't like either. Des Olated

2:47pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

Billy;
"Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way"

Billy, the policy towards uniform & discipline has become increasingly liberal for years; do you, in your 30 years experience believe the quality of schooling and education of students leaving has improved correspondingly?
Billy; "Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way" Billy, the policy towards uniform & discipline has become increasingly liberal for years; do you, in your 30 years experience believe the quality of schooling and education of students leaving has improved correspondingly? Des Olated

2:54pm Thu 6 Sep 12

DBTM says...

"There is a generation who now almost automatically rebel against everything in authority and encourage their offspring to do the same"

This would suggest that there some deliberate, thought out action behind this.Unfortunately, I think it is worse than this. There is a minority of people(hopefully it will remain a minority!) who just don't care about the consequences of their behaviour towards the rest of society.
If my children were sent home for not following uniform rules, I would feel embarrassed rather than angry.
"There is a generation who now almost automatically rebel against everything in authority and encourage their offspring to do the same" This would suggest that there some deliberate, thought out action behind this.Unfortunately, I think it is worse than this. There is a minority of people(hopefully it will remain a minority!) who just don't care about the consequences of their behaviour towards the rest of society. If my children were sent home for not following uniform rules, I would feel embarrassed rather than angry. DBTM

2:58pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Georgem says...

DBTM wrote:
"There is a generation who now almost automatically rebel against everything in authority and encourage their offspring to do the same"

This would suggest that there some deliberate, thought out action behind this.Unfortunately, I think it is worse than this. There is a minority of people(hopefully it will remain a minority!) who just don't care about the consequences of their behaviour towards the rest of society.
If my children were sent home for not following uniform rules, I would feel embarrassed rather than angry.
They don't care about the consequences, because there aren't any!
[quote][p][bold]DBTM[/bold] wrote: "There is a generation who now almost automatically rebel against everything in authority and encourage their offspring to do the same" This would suggest that there some deliberate, thought out action behind this.Unfortunately, I think it is worse than this. There is a minority of people(hopefully it will remain a minority!) who just don't care about the consequences of their behaviour towards the rest of society. If my children were sent home for not following uniform rules, I would feel embarrassed rather than angry.[/p][/quote]They don't care about the consequences, because there aren't any! Georgem

3:05pm Thu 6 Sep 12

George4th says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this :

Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?

What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ?

Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.
How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up

If the parents are going to ignore the headteachers uniform policy are they really likely to support her in other ways.
Good on Ms Dawkins and shame on parents who can't be bothered to demonstrate a little respect for the rules to their children.
"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety."

Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way.

All people are doing here is rabble-rousing, fanning the flames, and in fact making things even worse for Dawkins.

Not a good day for diplomacy, I think.
Crestwood has very good Ofsted reports so they must be doing something right!
>
Besides, the parents were first advised by letter back in May!
The follow up letter was in July.
How many letters do you expect a school to send out?!
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this : Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ? What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ? Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.[/p][/quote]How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up If the parents are going to ignore the headteachers uniform policy are they really likely to support her in other ways. Good on Ms Dawkins and shame on parents who can't be bothered to demonstrate a little respect for the rules to their children.[/p][/quote]"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety." Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way. All people are doing here is rabble-rousing, fanning the flames, and in fact making things even worse for Dawkins. Not a good day for diplomacy, I think.[/p][/quote]Crestwood has very good Ofsted reports so they must be doing something right! > Besides, the parents were first advised by letter back in May! The follow up letter was in July. How many letters do you expect a school to send out?! George4th

3:12pm Thu 6 Sep 12

punterman says...

I agree that having a uniform policy in place is important as it is a good thing to look smart.
But I think for Krista Dawkins to have sent 20 pupils home is way over the top. No concern for their safety or that parents would have to come out of work. She handled this in totally the wrong manner. A warning letter or phone the parents but sending pupils home where they are potentially missing out on valuable learning time.
I agree that having a uniform policy in place is important as it is a good thing to look smart. But I think for Krista Dawkins to have sent 20 pupils home is way over the top. No concern for their safety or that parents would have to come out of work. She handled this in totally the wrong manner. A warning letter or phone the parents but sending pupils home where they are potentially missing out on valuable learning time. punterman

3:13pm Thu 6 Sep 12

southy says...

Get down to basics why are Children sent to school is it to be educated or to walk a carwalk fashion show, Uniforms do not teach kids any thing, dress smart fine.
Any if any school enforce a school uniform, then the teachers them selfs should have the same uniform.
Get down to basics why are Children sent to school is it to be educated or to walk a carwalk fashion show, Uniforms do not teach kids any thing, dress smart fine. Any if any school enforce a school uniform, then the teachers them selfs should have the same uniform. southy

3:13pm Thu 6 Sep 12

punterman says...

George4th wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this :

Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?

What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ?

Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.
How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up

If the parents are going to ignore the headteachers uniform policy are they really likely to support her in other ways.
Good on Ms Dawkins and shame on parents who can't be bothered to demonstrate a little respect for the rules to their children.
"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety."

Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way.

All people are doing here is rabble-rousing, fanning the flames, and in fact making things even worse for Dawkins.

Not a good day for diplomacy, I think.
Crestwood has very good Ofsted reports so they must be doing something right!
>
Besides, the parents were first advised by letter back in May!
The follow up letter was in July.
How many letters do you expect a school to send out?!
Must have imporved since I went there. It was probably one of the worst schools in Eastleigh - so its a nice to hear its finally improved
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this : Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ? What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ? Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.[/p][/quote]How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up If the parents are going to ignore the headteachers uniform policy are they really likely to support her in other ways. Good on Ms Dawkins and shame on parents who can't be bothered to demonstrate a little respect for the rules to their children.[/p][/quote]"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety." Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way. All people are doing here is rabble-rousing, fanning the flames, and in fact making things even worse for Dawkins. Not a good day for diplomacy, I think.[/p][/quote]Crestwood has very good Ofsted reports so they must be doing something right! > Besides, the parents were first advised by letter back in May! The follow up letter was in July. How many letters do you expect a school to send out?![/p][/quote]Must have imporved since I went there. It was probably one of the worst schools in Eastleigh - so its a nice to hear its finally improved punterman

3:16pm Thu 6 Sep 12

punterman says...

midanburyway wrote:
i can remember when i went to school in the seventies, there is always gonna be the 'uncool' kids.....i was one of them and i dont want my daughter to be treated like i was.....i have just trudged around town looking for school trou sers for her and it is not an experience i want to repeat again soon....had a letter before the holidays about the sort of trousers they should be wearing, but to recieve a text message yesterday to remind me is over the top...glad to see my taxes that pay for the achools is put to good use sending bullying texts...and they better not send my child home using this excuse either...
I completely 100% agree with comment.
Schools should be focussed on learning not sending out stupid text messages.
[quote][p][bold]midanburyway[/bold] wrote: i can remember when i went to school in the seventies, there is always gonna be the 'uncool' kids.....i was one of them and i dont want my daughter to be treated like i was.....i have just trudged around town looking for school trou sers for her and it is not an experience i want to repeat again soon....had a letter before the holidays about the sort of trousers they should be wearing, but to recieve a text message yesterday to remind me is over the top...glad to see my taxes that pay for the achools is put to good use sending bullying texts...and they better not send my child home using this excuse either...[/p][/quote]I completely 100% agree with comment. Schools should be focussed on learning not sending out stupid text messages. punterman

3:20pm Thu 6 Sep 12

punterman says...

I feel so angry about the way Krista Dawkins has handled this, I have written a letter to the local education authority and to the chairman of the Governors.
She talks about working in Sainsburys you would need a uniform well I hope you enjoy your new uniform when you end up working there
I feel so angry about the way Krista Dawkins has handled this, I have written a letter to the local education authority and to the chairman of the Governors. She talks about working in Sainsburys you would need a uniform well I hope you enjoy your new uniform when you end up working there punterman

3:20pm Thu 6 Sep 12

heathgirl says...

As much as I used to hate my school uniform, it did made us feel like we were a proper community and we all looked very smart - I think this promoted a good learning environment. Even when I was at school (years ago) we had these rules and regulations about uniform and people adhered to them.

We knew that if we pushed the boundaries we would be sent home or put into 'inclusion' for the day; so we stuck to the rules, maybe the difference was that our parents actually cared about enforcing rules and showing us that we needed to respect the rules that were in place.
As much as I used to hate my school uniform, it did made us feel like we were a proper community and we all looked very smart - I think this promoted a good learning environment. Even when I was at school (years ago) we had these rules and regulations about uniform and people adhered to them. We knew that if we pushed the boundaries we would be sent home or put into 'inclusion' for the day; so we stuck to the rules, maybe the difference was that our parents actually cared about enforcing rules and showing us that we needed to respect the rules that were in place. heathgirl

3:27pm Thu 6 Sep 12

southy says...

Forcing uniforms onto kids is brain conditioning
Forcing uniforms onto kids is brain conditioning southy

3:29pm Thu 6 Sep 12

mtdiablo says...

Well it's not southy
Well it's not southy mtdiablo

3:32pm Thu 6 Sep 12

elvisimo says...

Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for. elvisimo

3:32pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Forcing uniforms onto kids is brain conditioning
So is education. What's the problem?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Forcing uniforms onto kids is brain conditioning[/p][/quote]So is education. What's the problem? Georgem

3:34pm Thu 6 Sep 12

St Retford says...

Skinny trousers look stupid. It's high time they were banned by society at large.
Skinny trousers look stupid. It's high time they were banned by society at large. St Retford

3:38pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Georgem says...

elvisimo wrote:
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me. Georgem

3:39pm Thu 6 Sep 12

southy says...

mtdiablo wrote:
Well it's not southy
It is the Japanese and South Koreans have been doing this for a very long time, its to prepairs kids to work in a Corporations conditions not to think just react
[quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: Well it's not southy[/p][/quote]It is the Japanese and South Koreans have been doing this for a very long time, its to prepairs kids to work in a Corporations conditions not to think just react southy

3:39pm Thu 6 Sep 12

bullsbags says...

Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE
Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right
Well actually it isn't
I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education
RANT OVER
Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right Well actually it isn't I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education RANT OVER bullsbags

3:41pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Forcing uniforms onto kids is brain conditioning
Well, if there was an exam in talking absolute hogwash, then you'd be a A+ student.

Perhaps they should be wearing tin foil hats as well.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Forcing uniforms onto kids is brain conditioning[/p][/quote]Well, if there was an exam in talking absolute hogwash, then you'd be a A+ student. Perhaps they should be wearing tin foil hats as well. Shoong

3:42pm Thu 6 Sep 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.
And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.[/p][/quote]And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react. southy

3:43pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

bullsbags wrote:
Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE
Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right
Well actually it isn't
I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education
RANT OVER
You'd bring back National Service for those who go into further education?

I'm sure that's a typo, apart from that agreed
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right Well actually it isn't I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education RANT OVER[/p][/quote]You'd bring back National Service for those who go into further education? I'm sure that's a typo, apart from that agreed Des Olated

3:44pm Thu 6 Sep 12

St Retford says...

bullsbags wrote:
Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE
Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right
Well actually it isn't
I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education
RANT OVER
That's one way of looking at it. Personally, I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride to make it easier. Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be
[quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right Well actually it isn't I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education RANT OVER[/p][/quote]That's one way of looking at it. Personally, I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride to make it easier. Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be St Retford

3:46pm Thu 6 Sep 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Forcing uniforms onto kids is brain conditioning
Well, if there was an exam in talking absolute hogwash, then you'd be a A+ student.

Perhaps they should be wearing tin foil hats as well.
Since when have Uniforms been part of an exam.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Forcing uniforms onto kids is brain conditioning[/p][/quote]Well, if there was an exam in talking absolute hogwash, then you'd be a A+ student. Perhaps they should be wearing tin foil hats as well.[/p][/quote]Since when have Uniforms been part of an exam. southy

3:48pm Thu 6 Sep 12

elvisimo says...

And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.”

Or people who have a decent education. are able to formulate their own views and opinions. Can write and speak English. Realise that in this life you get out of it what you put in. Aim to better themselves and not fall into class sterotypes.
And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.” Or people who have a decent education. are able to formulate their own views and opinions. Can write and speak English. Realise that in this life you get out of it what you put in. Aim to better themselves and not fall into class sterotypes. elvisimo

3:49pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
mtdiablo wrote:
Well it's not southy
It is the Japanese and South Koreans have been doing this for a very long time, its to prepairs kids to work in a Corporations conditions not to think just react
The UK have been "doing this" (having school uniforms, presumably) for a very long time, as well. It doesn't teach kids to react in lieu of thinking at all.

How does this brain-washing theory fit in with the fact that Japanese management practices often mandate that the managers, too, even senior managers, dress in the same uniform as the rest of the company? You're not really suggesting that all Japanese manufacturing is under the control of one single genius individual mastermind. who dresses how he likes, and has brainwashed hundreds of thousands of people to do his exact bidding, all the time, by making them wear the same boiler suits?

Can I suggest you read - don't panic, it's a book this time! - "Freedom from Command and Control" by John Seddon. It'll give you some good insight into why Japanese manufacturing is so efficient, and how much we can learn from it and apply to other sectors. Along the way, take note of how much emphasis is put on exactly the opposite of what you claim. Take note of how the Toyota Production System is utterly reliant on everyone involved thinking for themselves, rather than being the automatons you seem to think people become because they're wearing the same clothes.

Come back and let us know when you're manufacturing cars more efficiently than Toyota.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: Well it's not southy[/p][/quote]It is the Japanese and South Koreans have been doing this for a very long time, its to prepairs kids to work in a Corporations conditions not to think just react[/p][/quote]The UK have been "doing this" (having school uniforms, presumably) for a very long time, as well. It doesn't teach kids to react in lieu of thinking at all. How does this brain-washing theory fit in with the fact that Japanese management practices often mandate that the managers, too, even senior managers, dress in the same uniform as the rest of the company? You're not really suggesting that all Japanese manufacturing is under the control of one single genius individual mastermind. who dresses how he likes, and has brainwashed hundreds of thousands of people to do his exact bidding, all the time, by making them wear the same boiler suits? Can I suggest you read - don't panic, it's a book this time! - "Freedom from Command and Control" by John Seddon. It'll give you some good insight into why Japanese manufacturing is so efficient, and how much we can learn from it and apply to other sectors. Along the way, take note of how much emphasis is put on exactly the opposite of what you claim. Take note of how the Toyota Production System is utterly reliant on everyone involved thinking for themselves, rather than being the automatons you seem to think people become because they're wearing the same clothes. Come back and let us know when you're manufacturing cars more efficiently than Toyota. Georgem

3:49pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.
And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.
Utter nonsense. This isn't even worth giving a proper answer to.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.[/p][/quote]And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.[/p][/quote]Utter nonsense. This isn't even worth giving a proper answer to. Georgem

3:51pm Thu 6 Sep 12

St Retford says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.
And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.
You're right, but what about the paradox of these students' uniform individuality? If they were left to their own devices, they'd all come in wearing stupid skinny jeans, a t-shirt featuring some band they never listen to but perceive to be 'cool' and a big floppy cardigan.

At least the uniform the school give them looks quite nice.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.[/p][/quote]And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.[/p][/quote]You're right, but what about the paradox of these students' uniform individuality? If they were left to their own devices, they'd all come in wearing stupid skinny jeans, a t-shirt featuring some band they never listen to but perceive to be 'cool' and a big floppy cardigan. At least the uniform the school give them looks quite nice. St Retford

3:51pm Thu 6 Sep 12

southy says...

St Retford wrote:
bullsbags wrote:
Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE
Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right
Well actually it isn't
I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education
RANT OVER
That's one way of looking at it. Personally, I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride to make it easier. Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be
National service when the government has cut back on the number of personal.

Children are our future, and that is also right the beauty is in side and never on the out side.

So teach them well and only to dress smartly like it use to be.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right Well actually it isn't I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education RANT OVER[/p][/quote]That's one way of looking at it. Personally, I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride to make it easier. Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be[/p][/quote]National service when the government has cut back on the number of personal. Children are our future, and that is also right the beauty is in side and never on the out side. So teach them well and only to dress smartly like it use to be. southy

3:52pm Thu 6 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

DBTM wrote:
"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems"

My son goes to a good school in Hampshire that doesn't have any problems. Perhaps it is because they enfore the unifrom rules?

"Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?"

20 pupils sent home and the rest of them kept on. That would suggest to me that: yes, the rules are clear enough
"Enfore the unifrom rules". What is that exactly ? Bet your son doesn't ask for help with his homework !

The question was why do ALL the good schools....etc, and you quote ONE as an example.

I repeat : Have you read the Crestwood prospectus ?

If you are just going to go on what you read in the Echo, and what things "suggest" to you, we're not going to get anywhere, are we ?
[quote][p][bold]DBTM[/bold] wrote: "Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems" My son goes to a good school in Hampshire that doesn't have any problems. Perhaps it is because they enfore the unifrom rules? "Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?" 20 pupils sent home and the rest of them kept on. That would suggest to me that: yes, the rules are clear enough[/p][/quote]"Enfore the unifrom rules". What is that exactly ? Bet your son doesn't ask for help with his homework ! The question was why do ALL the good schools....etc, and you quote ONE as an example. I repeat : Have you read the Crestwood prospectus ? If you are just going to go on what you read in the Echo, and what things "suggest" to you, we're not going to get anywhere, are we ? BillyTheKid

3:53pm Thu 6 Sep 12

southy says...

St Retford wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.
And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.
You're right, but what about the paradox of these students' uniform individuality? If they were left to their own devices, they'd all come in wearing stupid skinny jeans, a t-shirt featuring some band they never listen to but perceive to be 'cool' and a big floppy cardigan.

At least the uniform the school give them looks quite nice.
Just ask to dress smartly thats all.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.[/p][/quote]And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.[/p][/quote]You're right, but what about the paradox of these students' uniform individuality? If they were left to their own devices, they'd all come in wearing stupid skinny jeans, a t-shirt featuring some band they never listen to but perceive to be 'cool' and a big floppy cardigan. At least the uniform the school give them looks quite nice.[/p][/quote]Just ask to dress smartly thats all. southy

3:53pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Take a deep breath and actually read a comment before defending your own tripe with even more tripe.

One of the core reasons school uniforms are used is so that all the pupils look the same and no-one is ridiculed because they aren't wearing the latest fashion that perhaps better off families have bought their children. Everyone is equal in that regard.

As socialist I would have thought you would have understood that, but as a proven liar and hypocrite that's no surprise I guess is it.
Take a deep breath and actually read a comment before defending your own tripe with even more tripe. One of the core reasons school uniforms are used is so that all the pupils look the same and no-one is ridiculed because they aren't wearing the latest fashion that perhaps better off families have bought their children. Everyone is equal in that regard. As socialist I would have thought you would have understood that, but as a proven liar and hypocrite that's no surprise I guess is it. Shoong

3:54pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Forcing uniforms onto kids is brain conditioning
Well, if there was an exam in talking absolute hogwash, then you'd be a A+ student.

Perhaps they should be wearing tin foil hats as well.
Since when have Uniforms been part of an exam.
Take a deep breath and actually read a comment before defending your own tripe with even more tripe.

One of the core reasons school uniforms are used is so that all the pupils look the same and no-one is ridiculed because they aren't wearing the latest fashion that perhaps better off families have bought their children. Everyone is equal in that regard.

As socialist I would have thought you would have understood that, but as a proven liar and hypocrite that's no surprise I guess is it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Forcing uniforms onto kids is brain conditioning[/p][/quote]Well, if there was an exam in talking absolute hogwash, then you'd be a A+ student. Perhaps they should be wearing tin foil hats as well.[/p][/quote]Since when have Uniforms been part of an exam.[/p][/quote]Take a deep breath and actually read a comment before defending your own tripe with even more tripe. One of the core reasons school uniforms are used is so that all the pupils look the same and no-one is ridiculed because they aren't wearing the latest fashion that perhaps better off families have bought their children. Everyone is equal in that regard. As socialist I would have thought you would have understood that, but as a proven liar and hypocrite that's no surprise I guess is it. Shoong

3:54pm Thu 6 Sep 12

bullsbags says...

I never said I would pay them for national service ha
I never said I would pay them for national service ha bullsbags

3:56pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.
And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.
How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely?
Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform".
An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.[/p][/quote]And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.[/p][/quote]How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely? Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform". An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment. Des Olated

3:58pm Thu 6 Sep 12

southy says...

Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.
And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.
How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely?
Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform".
An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.
Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.
[quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.[/p][/quote]And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.[/p][/quote]How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely? Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform". An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.[/p][/quote]Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think. southy

3:59pm Thu 6 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

Des Olated wrote:
Billy;
"Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way"

Billy, the policy towards uniform & discipline has become increasingly liberal for years; do you, in your 30 years experience believe the quality of schooling and education of students leaving has improved correspondingly?
This is not what the discussion is about. I thought we were discussing confrontation as a method of coercing parents and children into observing the rules. In my "30 years experience" I found that confrontation never works. Negotiation and choice are the keys.
[quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: Billy; "Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way" Billy, the policy towards uniform & discipline has become increasingly liberal for years; do you, in your 30 years experience believe the quality of schooling and education of students leaving has improved correspondingly?[/p][/quote]This is not what the discussion is about. I thought we were discussing confrontation as a method of coercing parents and children into observing the rules. In my "30 years experience" I found that confrontation never works. Negotiation and choice are the keys. BillyTheKid

4:03pm Thu 6 Sep 12

elvisimo says...

This is not what the discussion is about. I thought we were discussing confrontation as a method of coercing parents and children into observing the rules. In my "30 years experience" I found that confrontation never works. Negotiation and choice are the keys.”

I thought this was a school not a youth club?
This is not what the discussion is about. I thought we were discussing confrontation as a method of coercing parents and children into observing the rules. In my "30 years experience" I found that confrontation never works. Negotiation and choice are the keys.” I thought this was a school not a youth club? elvisimo

4:04pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.
And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.
How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely?
Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform".
An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.
Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.
This is not evidence. This is barely even an argument. You're taking one example of something, and claiming it applies to absolutely everything.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.[/p][/quote]And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.[/p][/quote]How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely? Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform". An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.[/p][/quote]Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.[/p][/quote]This is not evidence. This is barely even an argument. You're taking one example of something, and claiming it applies to absolutely everything. Georgem

4:06pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Billy;
"Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way"

Billy, the policy towards uniform & discipline has become increasingly liberal for years; do you, in your 30 years experience believe the quality of schooling and education of students leaving has improved correspondingly?
This is not what the discussion is about. I thought we were discussing confrontation as a method of coercing parents and children into observing the rules. In my "30 years experience" I found that confrontation never works. Negotiation and choice are the keys.
Why is there confrontation? - the head teacher has decided a dress code, end of, or do you think the tail should wag the dog?.
As I've said the liberalisation of attitudes towards dress & discipline have done no favours at all & if this is a step back to better standards then I and all parents should fully support her.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: Billy; "Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way" Billy, the policy towards uniform & discipline has become increasingly liberal for years; do you, in your 30 years experience believe the quality of schooling and education of students leaving has improved correspondingly?[/p][/quote]This is not what the discussion is about. I thought we were discussing confrontation as a method of coercing parents and children into observing the rules. In my "30 years experience" I found that confrontation never works. Negotiation and choice are the keys.[/p][/quote]Why is there confrontation? - the head teacher has decided a dress code, end of, or do you think the tail should wag the dog?. As I've said the liberalisation of attitudes towards dress & discipline have done no favours at all & if this is a step back to better standards then I and all parents should fully support her. Des Olated

4:06pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.
And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.
How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely?
Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform".
An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.
Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.
Your right, when it comes to a job you should just be able to do as you please when you please, we don't need any superiors to plan and manage the work of those they are responsible for and then let's hope it all works out.

Not only are you not of this planet, you're not even in the same dimension.

And to cap it all off, you don't even work!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.[/p][/quote]And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.[/p][/quote]How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely? Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform". An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.[/p][/quote]Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.[/p][/quote]Your right, when it comes to a job you should just be able to do as you please when you please, we don't need any superiors to plan and manage the work of those they are responsible for and then let's hope it all works out. Not only are you not of this planet, you're not even in the same dimension. And to cap it all off, you don't even work! Shoong

4:09pm Thu 6 Sep 12

punterman says...

Please can I have a taxi for Krista Dawkins, thank you
Please can I have a taxi for Krista Dawkins, thank you punterman

4:10pm Thu 6 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

I never thought I would ever find myself saying this, but Georgem, for what my opinion is worth, has made very wise, insightful and thought-provoking comments on this thread. He has got to the very heart of the issue.
I never thought I would ever find myself saying this, but Georgem, for what my opinion is worth, has made very wise, insightful and thought-provoking comments on this thread. He has got to the very heart of the issue. BillyTheKid

4:12pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

St Retford wrote:
bullsbags wrote:
Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE
Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right
Well actually it isn't
I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education
RANT OVER
That's one way of looking at it. Personally, I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride to make it easier. Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be
St Retford - Whitney?
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right Well actually it isn't I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education RANT OVER[/p][/quote]That's one way of looking at it. Personally, I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride to make it easier. Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be[/p][/quote]St Retford - Whitney? Des Olated

4:14pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Des Olated wrote:
St Retford wrote:
bullsbags wrote:
Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE
Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right
Well actually it isn't
I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education
RANT OVER
That's one way of looking at it. Personally, I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride to make it easier. Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be
St Retford - Whitney?
Well, of course. Everybody's searching for a hero. People need someone to look up to. I never found anyone who fulfilled my needs. A lonely place to be. So I learned to depend on me.
[quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right Well actually it isn't I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education RANT OVER[/p][/quote]That's one way of looking at it. Personally, I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride to make it easier. Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be[/p][/quote]St Retford - Whitney?[/p][/quote]Well, of course. Everybody's searching for a hero. People need someone to look up to. I never found anyone who fulfilled my needs. A lonely place to be. So I learned to depend on me. Georgem

4:14pm Thu 6 Sep 12

solomum says...

punterman wrote:
I feel so angry about the way Krista Dawkins has handled this, I have written a letter to the local education authority and to the chairman of the Governors.
She talks about working in Sainsburys you would need a uniform well I hope you enjoy your new uniform when you end up working there
So you think your letter will get her removed from the position of Head Teacher then? I would hope that the LEA would fully support a Head who enforces rules. I worry for you children's future if you as a parent are rebelling against the rules.
[quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: I feel so angry about the way Krista Dawkins has handled this, I have written a letter to the local education authority and to the chairman of the Governors. She talks about working in Sainsburys you would need a uniform well I hope you enjoy your new uniform when you end up working there[/p][/quote]So you think your letter will get her removed from the position of Head Teacher then? I would hope that the LEA would fully support a Head who enforces rules. I worry for you children's future if you as a parent are rebelling against the rules. solomum

4:15pm Thu 6 Sep 12

St Retford says...

Des Olated wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Billy;
"Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way"

Billy, the policy towards uniform & discipline has become increasingly liberal for years; do you, in your 30 years experience believe the quality of schooling and education of students leaving has improved correspondingly?
This is not what the discussion is about. I thought we were discussing confrontation as a method of coercing parents and children into observing the rules. In my "30 years experience" I found that confrontation never works. Negotiation and choice are the keys.
Why is there confrontation? - the head teacher has decided a dress code, end of, or do you think the tail should wag the dog?.
As I've said the liberalisation of attitudes towards dress & discipline have done no favours at all & if this is a step back to better standards then I and all parents should fully support her.
Do you think educational standards haven't improved?
[quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: Billy; "Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way" Billy, the policy towards uniform & discipline has become increasingly liberal for years; do you, in your 30 years experience believe the quality of schooling and education of students leaving has improved correspondingly?[/p][/quote]This is not what the discussion is about. I thought we were discussing confrontation as a method of coercing parents and children into observing the rules. In my "30 years experience" I found that confrontation never works. Negotiation and choice are the keys.[/p][/quote]Why is there confrontation? - the head teacher has decided a dress code, end of, or do you think the tail should wag the dog?. As I've said the liberalisation of attitudes towards dress & discipline have done no favours at all & if this is a step back to better standards then I and all parents should fully support her.[/p][/quote]Do you think educational standards haven't improved? St Retford

4:21pm Thu 6 Sep 12

DBTM says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
DBTM wrote:
"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems"

My son goes to a good school in Hampshire that doesn't have any problems. Perhaps it is because they enfore the unifrom rules?

"Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?"

20 pupils sent home and the rest of them kept on. That would suggest to me that: yes, the rules are clear enough
"Enfore the unifrom rules". What is that exactly ? Bet your son doesn't ask for help with his homework !

The question was why do ALL the good schools....etc, and you quote ONE as an example.

I repeat : Have you read the Crestwood prospectus ?

If you are just going to go on what you read in the Echo, and what things "suggest" to you, we're not going to get anywhere, are we ?
Blimey! I hope you were more patient with your pupils whilst teaching them, especially if they were dyslexic.
I am using what I read in the Daily Echo because that is what we are commenting on. Is it not what you are basing your assumptions upon?
I don't need to read the prospectus, the parents do. If some of them did not understand it, all they had to do was seek clarification. If they had any interest, that is!
I was taking my son's school as an example. I didn't think it was that difficult to understand.
And, lastly: I am not an expert in diplomacy, but making patronising, obtuse and demeaning comments surely doesn't come into it.
I am glad you've retired from teaching, sir, because I would hate the idea of my children being taught by someone as arrogant and suffering from a superiority complex as you seem to be.
Wishing you a good day.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTM[/bold] wrote: "Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems" My son goes to a good school in Hampshire that doesn't have any problems. Perhaps it is because they enfore the unifrom rules? "Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?" 20 pupils sent home and the rest of them kept on. That would suggest to me that: yes, the rules are clear enough[/p][/quote]"Enfore the unifrom rules". What is that exactly ? Bet your son doesn't ask for help with his homework ! The question was why do ALL the good schools....etc, and you quote ONE as an example. I repeat : Have you read the Crestwood prospectus ? If you are just going to go on what you read in the Echo, and what things "suggest" to you, we're not going to get anywhere, are we ?[/p][/quote]Blimey! I hope you were more patient with your pupils whilst teaching them, especially if they were dyslexic. I am using what I read in the Daily Echo because that is what we are commenting on. Is it not what you are basing your assumptions upon? I don't need to read the prospectus, the parents do. If some of them did not understand it, all they had to do was seek clarification. If they had any interest, that is! I was taking my son's school as an example. I didn't think it was that difficult to understand. And, lastly: I am not an expert in diplomacy, but making patronising, obtuse and demeaning comments surely doesn't come into it. I am glad you've retired from teaching, sir, because I would hate the idea of my children being taught by someone as arrogant and suffering from a superiority complex as you seem to be. Wishing you a good day. DBTM

4:21pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.
And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.
How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely?
Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform".
An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.
Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.
Southy, sorry, but you are an idiot.
Forget McD's, a uniform is in many guises; a bank worker might for example be expected to wear a shirt & tie, companies provide branded clothing, at no point does a "uniform" require a disconnect of an individual's thought process or brain conditioning.
Of course, if you don't like how your employer wants you to dress find another job but if you want to keep the job suck it up - same with the school, want to go there? dress as they require!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.[/p][/quote]And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.[/p][/quote]How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely? Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform". An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.[/p][/quote]Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.[/p][/quote]Southy, sorry, but you are an idiot. Forget McD's, a uniform is in many guises; a bank worker might for example be expected to wear a shirt & tie, companies provide branded clothing, at no point does a "uniform" require a disconnect of an individual's thought process or brain conditioning. Of course, if you don't like how your employer wants you to dress find another job but if you want to keep the job suck it up - same with the school, want to go there? dress as they require! Des Olated

4:22pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

Georgem wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
St Retford wrote:
bullsbags wrote:
Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE
Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right
Well actually it isn't
I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education
RANT OVER
That's one way of looking at it. Personally, I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride to make it easier. Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be
St Retford - Whitney?
Well, of course. Everybody's searching for a hero. People need someone to look up to. I never found anyone who fulfilled my needs. A lonely place to be. So I learned to depend on me.
Stop, stop now.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right Well actually it isn't I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education RANT OVER[/p][/quote]That's one way of looking at it. Personally, I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride to make it easier. Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be[/p][/quote]St Retford - Whitney?[/p][/quote]Well, of course. Everybody's searching for a hero. People need someone to look up to. I never found anyone who fulfilled my needs. A lonely place to be. So I learned to depend on me.[/p][/quote]Stop, stop now. Des Olated

4:25pm Thu 6 Sep 12

George4th says...

punterman wrote:
I agree that having a uniform policy in place is important as it is a good thing to look smart.
But I think for Krista Dawkins to have sent 20 pupils home is way over the top. No concern for their safety or that parents would have to come out of work. She handled this in totally the wrong manner. A warning letter or phone the parents but sending pupils home where they are potentially missing out on valuable learning time.
"No concern for their safety "

Read carefully - "the parents were summoned"

She handled it perfectly given the amount of notice she gave parents! She sent a letter in May and followed it up in July! Blame the parents.
[quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: I agree that having a uniform policy in place is important as it is a good thing to look smart. But I think for Krista Dawkins to have sent 20 pupils home is way over the top. No concern for their safety or that parents would have to come out of work. She handled this in totally the wrong manner. A warning letter or phone the parents but sending pupils home where they are potentially missing out on valuable learning time.[/p][/quote]"No concern for their safety " Read carefully - "the parents were summoned" She handled it perfectly given the amount of notice she gave parents! She sent a letter in May and followed it up in July! Blame the parents. George4th

4:26pm Thu 6 Sep 12

George4th says...

punterman wrote:
George4th wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this :

Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?

What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ?

Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.
How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up

If the parents are going to ignore the headteachers uniform policy are they really likely to support her in other ways.
Good on Ms Dawkins and shame on parents who can't be bothered to demonstrate a little respect for the rules to their children.
"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety."

Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way.

All people are doing here is rabble-rousing, fanning the flames, and in fact making things even worse for Dawkins.

Not a good day for diplomacy, I think.
Crestwood has very good Ofsted reports so they must be doing something right!
>
Besides, the parents were first advised by letter back in May!
The follow up letter was in July.
How many letters do you expect a school to send out?!
Must have imporved since I went there. It was probably one of the worst schools in Eastleigh - so its a nice to hear its finally improved
Exactly!
[quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Awful lot of assumptions here. How about this : Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ? What do we think of people associated with "zero tolerance", "toughtalking", and "crackdown"s ? Is this the appropriate way to negotiate with parents and develop a sound foundation for home/school liason ? How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up ? Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety.[/p][/quote]How are you going to have the kind of influence that a headteacher needs to be able to demonstrate if you deliberately put people's backs up If the parents are going to ignore the headteachers uniform policy are they really likely to support her in other ways. Good on Ms Dawkins and shame on parents who can't be bothered to demonstrate a little respect for the rules to their children.[/p][/quote]"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems ? Perhaps they have heads who are confident, calm and respectful, rather than apparently bad-tempered, defiant tyrants who gain nothing more than notoriety." Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way. All people are doing here is rabble-rousing, fanning the flames, and in fact making things even worse for Dawkins. Not a good day for diplomacy, I think.[/p][/quote]Crestwood has very good Ofsted reports so they must be doing something right! > Besides, the parents were first advised by letter back in May! The follow up letter was in July. How many letters do you expect a school to send out?![/p][/quote]Must have imporved since I went there. It was probably one of the worst schools in Eastleigh - so its a nice to hear its finally improved[/p][/quote]Exactly! George4th

4:27pm Thu 6 Sep 12

DBTM says...

DBTM wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
DBTM wrote:
"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems"

My son goes to a good school in Hampshire that doesn't have any problems. Perhaps it is because they enfore the unifrom rules?

"Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?"

20 pupils sent home and the rest of them kept on. That would suggest to me that: yes, the rules are clear enough
"Enfore the unifrom rules". What is that exactly ? Bet your son doesn't ask for help with his homework !

The question was why do ALL the good schools....etc, and you quote ONE as an example.

I repeat : Have you read the Crestwood prospectus ?

If you are just going to go on what you read in the Echo, and what things "suggest" to you, we're not going to get anywhere, are we ?
Blimey! I hope you were more patient with your pupils whilst teaching them, especially if they were dyslexic.
I am using what I read in the Daily Echo because that is what we are commenting on. Is it not what you are basing your assumptions upon?
I don't need to read the prospectus, the parents do. If some of them did not understand it, all they had to do was seek clarification. If they had any interest, that is!
I was taking my son's school as an example. I didn't think it was that difficult to understand.
And, lastly: I am not an expert in diplomacy, but making patronising, obtuse and demeaning comments surely doesn't come into it.
I am glad you've retired from teaching, sir, because I would hate the idea of my children being taught by someone as arrogant and suffering from a superiority complex as you seem to be.
Wishing you a good day.
And before you come back with another thoughtful comment, there is part of a sentence missing in my post. What I meant to say is that I was using my son's school as an example because it is the only one I know about.
If you know of others, perhaps you could share their situation with us.
Are any of these good schools you mention not enforcing uniform rules?
[quote][p][bold]DBTM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTM[/bold] wrote: "Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems" My son goes to a good school in Hampshire that doesn't have any problems. Perhaps it is because they enfore the unifrom rules? "Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?" 20 pupils sent home and the rest of them kept on. That would suggest to me that: yes, the rules are clear enough[/p][/quote]"Enfore the unifrom rules". What is that exactly ? Bet your son doesn't ask for help with his homework ! The question was why do ALL the good schools....etc, and you quote ONE as an example. I repeat : Have you read the Crestwood prospectus ? If you are just going to go on what you read in the Echo, and what things "suggest" to you, we're not going to get anywhere, are we ?[/p][/quote]Blimey! I hope you were more patient with your pupils whilst teaching them, especially if they were dyslexic. I am using what I read in the Daily Echo because that is what we are commenting on. Is it not what you are basing your assumptions upon? I don't need to read the prospectus, the parents do. If some of them did not understand it, all they had to do was seek clarification. If they had any interest, that is! I was taking my son's school as an example. I didn't think it was that difficult to understand. And, lastly: I am not an expert in diplomacy, but making patronising, obtuse and demeaning comments surely doesn't come into it. I am glad you've retired from teaching, sir, because I would hate the idea of my children being taught by someone as arrogant and suffering from a superiority complex as you seem to be. Wishing you a good day.[/p][/quote]And before you come back with another thoughtful comment, there is part of a sentence missing in my post. What I meant to say is that I was using my son's school as an example because it is the only one I know about. If you know of others, perhaps you could share their situation with us. Are any of these good schools you mention not enforcing uniform rules? DBTM

4:28pm Thu 6 Sep 12

George4th says...

punterman wrote:
midanburyway wrote:
i can remember when i went to school in the seventies, there is always gonna be the 'uncool' kids.....i was one of them and i dont want my daughter to be treated like i was.....i have just trudged around town looking for school trou sers for her and it is not an experience i want to repeat again soon....had a letter before the holidays about the sort of trousers they should be wearing, but to recieve a text message yesterday to remind me is over the top...glad to see my taxes that pay for the achools is put to good use sending bullying texts...and they better not send my child home using this excuse either...
I completely 100% agree with comment.
Schools should be focussed on learning not sending out stupid text messages.
The school sent out a letter in may and another letter in July! A text was perfectly in order, especially these days when most parents carry a mobile phone (Though if they can't read a letter how do they read texts?!!).
[quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]midanburyway[/bold] wrote: i can remember when i went to school in the seventies, there is always gonna be the 'uncool' kids.....i was one of them and i dont want my daughter to be treated like i was.....i have just trudged around town looking for school trou sers for her and it is not an experience i want to repeat again soon....had a letter before the holidays about the sort of trousers they should be wearing, but to recieve a text message yesterday to remind me is over the top...glad to see my taxes that pay for the achools is put to good use sending bullying texts...and they better not send my child home using this excuse either...[/p][/quote]I completely 100% agree with comment. Schools should be focussed on learning not sending out stupid text messages.[/p][/quote]The school sent out a letter in may and another letter in July! A text was perfectly in order, especially these days when most parents carry a mobile phone (Though if they can't read a letter how do they read texts?!!). George4th

4:28pm Thu 6 Sep 12

solomum says...

It is a fact that when we go to work or school smartly dressed, then we feel more confident and focused. If we are dressed slovenly, our attitude to work or learning decreases. My secondary school uniform was pleated skirt, blouse and cardigan, no trousers allowed. Just to point out it was an all girls school, before the smart alec's on here start making comments about boys in skirts. On freezing winter days there were a few who would turn up in Jeans, myself included (quick change after mum left for work) and we were promptly sent home with a phone call and letter to our parents. At the time I thought this was grossly unfair and ridiculous, but then I was a 14 year old with a 14 yr old mind. On the occasions that I did try to get away with wearing jeans, my attitude was not one ready for learning, but one for breaking the rules and getting one up on the teachers. I never did get one up on the teachers and the grounding that followed never made my attempts worthwhile anyway. Strangely though a lot of the parents that are my generation have never outgrown this 14 yr old mindset and then support their own children in breaking the rules. GROW UP MUM AND DAD and your children then may have a chance of raising the next generation responsibly.
It is a fact that when we go to work or school smartly dressed, then we feel more confident and focused. If we are dressed slovenly, our attitude to work or learning decreases. My secondary school uniform was pleated skirt, blouse and cardigan, no trousers allowed. Just to point out it was an all girls school, before the smart alec's on here start making comments about boys in skirts. On freezing winter days there were a few who would turn up in Jeans, myself included (quick change after mum left for work) and we were promptly sent home with a phone call and letter to our parents. At the time I thought this was grossly unfair and ridiculous, but then I was a 14 year old with a 14 yr old mind. On the occasions that I did try to get away with wearing jeans, my attitude was not one ready for learning, but one for breaking the rules and getting one up on the teachers. I never did get one up on the teachers and the grounding that followed never made my attempts worthwhile anyway. Strangely though a lot of the parents that are my generation have never outgrown this 14 yr old mindset and then support their own children in breaking the rules. GROW UP MUM AND DAD and your children then may have a chance of raising the next generation responsibly. solomum

4:29pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

St Retford wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Billy;
"Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way"

Billy, the policy towards uniform & discipline has become increasingly liberal for years; do you, in your 30 years experience believe the quality of schooling and education of students leaving has improved correspondingly?
This is not what the discussion is about. I thought we were discussing confrontation as a method of coercing parents and children into observing the rules. In my "30 years experience" I found that confrontation never works. Negotiation and choice are the keys.
Why is there confrontation? - the head teacher has decided a dress code, end of, or do you think the tail should wag the dog?.
As I've said the liberalisation of attitudes towards dress & discipline have done no favours at all & if this is a step back to better standards then I and all parents should fully support her.
Do you think educational standards haven't improved?
Honestly? No.
I don't think school leavers are prepared for how tough a job market is right now and quite how hard they'll have to compete for what jobs exist.
I'm sure there are stats to show just how much smarter everyone is, how it's all improved etc but as a casual observer with 1 at school & 1 recently left, no.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: Billy; "Having spent 30 years as a teacher in the secondary sector, and having worked for some fine headteachers, I can tell you that Ms Dawkins is going about things the wrong way" Billy, the policy towards uniform & discipline has become increasingly liberal for years; do you, in your 30 years experience believe the quality of schooling and education of students leaving has improved correspondingly?[/p][/quote]This is not what the discussion is about. I thought we were discussing confrontation as a method of coercing parents and children into observing the rules. In my "30 years experience" I found that confrontation never works. Negotiation and choice are the keys.[/p][/quote]Why is there confrontation? - the head teacher has decided a dress code, end of, or do you think the tail should wag the dog?. As I've said the liberalisation of attitudes towards dress & discipline have done no favours at all & if this is a step back to better standards then I and all parents should fully support her.[/p][/quote]Do you think educational standards haven't improved?[/p][/quote]Honestly? No. I don't think school leavers are prepared for how tough a job market is right now and quite how hard they'll have to compete for what jobs exist. I'm sure there are stats to show just how much smarter everyone is, how it's all improved etc but as a casual observer with 1 at school & 1 recently left, no. Des Olated

4:30pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Georgem says...

solomum wrote:
It is a fact that when we go to work or school smartly dressed, then we feel more confident and focused. If we are dressed slovenly, our attitude to work or learning decreases. My secondary school uniform was pleated skirt, blouse and cardigan, no trousers allowed. Just to point out it was an all girls school, before the smart alec's on here start making comments about boys in skirts. On freezing winter days there were a few who would turn up in Jeans, myself included (quick change after mum left for work) and we were promptly sent home with a phone call and letter to our parents. At the time I thought this was grossly unfair and ridiculous, but then I was a 14 year old with a 14 yr old mind. On the occasions that I did try to get away with wearing jeans, my attitude was not one ready for learning, but one for breaking the rules and getting one up on the teachers. I never did get one up on the teachers and the grounding that followed never made my attempts worthwhile anyway. Strangely though a lot of the parents that are my generation have never outgrown this 14 yr old mindset and then support their own children in breaking the rules. GROW UP MUM AND DAD and your children then may have a chance of raising the next generation responsibly.
Did someone say boys in skirts?

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[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: It is a fact that when we go to work or school smartly dressed, then we feel more confident and focused. If we are dressed slovenly, our attitude to work or learning decreases. My secondary school uniform was pleated skirt, blouse and cardigan, no trousers allowed. Just to point out it was an all girls school, before the smart alec's on here start making comments about boys in skirts. On freezing winter days there were a few who would turn up in Jeans, myself included (quick change after mum left for work) and we were promptly sent home with a phone call and letter to our parents. At the time I thought this was grossly unfair and ridiculous, but then I was a 14 year old with a 14 yr old mind. On the occasions that I did try to get away with wearing jeans, my attitude was not one ready for learning, but one for breaking the rules and getting one up on the teachers. I never did get one up on the teachers and the grounding that followed never made my attempts worthwhile anyway. Strangely though a lot of the parents that are my generation have never outgrown this 14 yr old mindset and then support their own children in breaking the rules. GROW UP MUM AND DAD and your children then may have a chance of raising the next generation responsibly.[/p][/quote]Did someone say boys in skirts? http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/educat ion/education-news/s choolboys-skirt-prot est-up-for-human-rig hts-award-6265406.ht ml Georgem

4:33pm Thu 6 Sep 12

George4th says...

St Retford wrote:
bullsbags wrote:
Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE
Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right
Well actually it isn't
I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education
RANT OVER
That's one way of looking at it. Personally, I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride to make it easier. Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be
Very good!

Whitney Houston would be proud of you!
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullsbags[/bold] wrote: Good on her and whilst she is at it I could think of plenty of other rules and regs she should implement . Obviously there are plenty of good kids about but there is a percentage who need to learn the meaning of words like RESPECT and DISCIPLINE Half of these kids will leave school and never work or contribute to society and will expect the rest to suport them with all the material possessions they desire because it's their right Well actually it isn't I'd also bring back national service for any school leaver who does not have a job or goes onto further education RANT OVER[/p][/quote]That's one way of looking at it. Personally, I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride to make it easier. Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be[/p][/quote]Very good! Whitney Houston would be proud of you! George4th

4:42pm Thu 6 Sep 12

George4th says...

solomum wrote:
It is a fact that when we go to work or school smartly dressed, then we feel more confident and focused. If we are dressed slovenly, our attitude to work or learning decreases. My secondary school uniform was pleated skirt, blouse and cardigan, no trousers allowed. Just to point out it was an all girls school, before the smart alec's on here start making comments about boys in skirts. On freezing winter days there were a few who would turn up in Jeans, myself included (quick change after mum left for work) and we were promptly sent home with a phone call and letter to our parents. At the time I thought this was grossly unfair and ridiculous, but then I was a 14 year old with a 14 yr old mind. On the occasions that I did try to get away with wearing jeans, my attitude was not one ready for learning, but one for breaking the rules and getting one up on the teachers. I never did get one up on the teachers and the grounding that followed never made my attempts worthwhile anyway. Strangely though a lot of the parents that are my generation have never outgrown this 14 yr old mindset and then support their own children in breaking the rules. GROW UP MUM AND DAD and your children then may have a chance of raising the next generation responsibly.
The best post of the day!
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: It is a fact that when we go to work or school smartly dressed, then we feel more confident and focused. If we are dressed slovenly, our attitude to work or learning decreases. My secondary school uniform was pleated skirt, blouse and cardigan, no trousers allowed. Just to point out it was an all girls school, before the smart alec's on here start making comments about boys in skirts. On freezing winter days there were a few who would turn up in Jeans, myself included (quick change after mum left for work) and we were promptly sent home with a phone call and letter to our parents. At the time I thought this was grossly unfair and ridiculous, but then I was a 14 year old with a 14 yr old mind. On the occasions that I did try to get away with wearing jeans, my attitude was not one ready for learning, but one for breaking the rules and getting one up on the teachers. I never did get one up on the teachers and the grounding that followed never made my attempts worthwhile anyway. Strangely though a lot of the parents that are my generation have never outgrown this 14 yr old mindset and then support their own children in breaking the rules. GROW UP MUM AND DAD and your children then may have a chance of raising the next generation responsibly.[/p][/quote]The best post of the day! George4th

4:45pm Thu 6 Sep 12

teeny2580 says...

My teenage girls wear proper school trouser as it too is a rule at their school, it's not just about the image it's also about their health as it isn't healthy for young girls to wear tight fitting Lycra trousers, and to those that say skinny trousers are cheaper obviously don't shop about asda 6 quid a pair can't go wrong,
My teenage girls wear proper school trouser as it too is a rule at their school, it's not just about the image it's also about their health as it isn't healthy for young girls to wear tight fitting Lycra trousers, and to those that say skinny trousers are cheaper obviously don't shop about asda 6 quid a pair can't go wrong, teeny2580

5:25pm Thu 6 Sep 12

chapellady says...

My son goes to this school. Letters were sent home together with pictures showing what style of clothes was acceptable. The high street is full of stores selling the suitable clothes and there really is no excuse for not adhering to the new uniform which is much cheaper now than the previous one! There has been plenty of time to prepare for this change, but how many left buying the uniform to the last minute? Mrs Dawkins is a fantastic head and deserves a pat on the back for the work she has done to this school. Good behaviour and attitude and hard work are recognised at this school not just top GCSE grades. I hope my son leaves school having done his best and is an all round good citizen, Crestwood school can take credit in the fact they have helped him to do that. Parents need to let their kids know that they have to follow rules whether they like them or not, and put up with it. I hate my work uniform but I need my job so I put up with it. Does Laura Walker think future employers would be lenient if she didn't want to wear what she was told then? Her parents need a good think about how they think moaning is going to help her prepare for life after she leaves school.
My son goes to this school. Letters were sent home together with pictures showing what style of clothes was acceptable. The high street is full of stores selling the suitable clothes and there really is no excuse for not adhering to the new uniform which is much cheaper now than the previous one! There has been plenty of time to prepare for this change, but how many left buying the uniform to the last minute? Mrs Dawkins is a fantastic head and deserves a pat on the back for the work she has done to this school. Good behaviour and attitude and hard work are recognised at this school not just top GCSE grades. I hope my son leaves school having done his best and is an all round good citizen, Crestwood school can take credit in the fact they have helped him to do that. Parents need to let their kids know that they have to follow rules whether they like them or not, and put up with it. I hate my work uniform but I need my job so I put up with it. Does Laura Walker think future employers would be lenient if she didn't want to wear what she was told then? Her parents need a good think about how they think moaning is going to help her prepare for life after she leaves school. chapellady

6:03pm Thu 6 Sep 12

southy says...

Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.
And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.
How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely?
Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform".
An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.
Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.
Southy, sorry, but you are an idiot.
Forget McD's, a uniform is in many guises; a bank worker might for example be expected to wear a shirt & tie, companies provide branded clothing, at no point does a "uniform" require a disconnect of an individual's thought process or brain conditioning.
Of course, if you don't like how your employer wants you to dress find another job but if you want to keep the job suck it up - same with the school, want to go there? dress as they require!
Now you got it Bank personals expected to wear shirt and tie, but not a uniform, they are expected to also, its not compulsory, they have the freedom, in truth there are more jobs that do not require a uniform than there are where it is required.
All that should berquired as a kid is to be clean and tidy and no more.
Times when a uniform is needed is on school outting or repersenting a school and no more than that.
This thing about school unifrom as only came about since the war, before the war only private educated kids had school uniform.
[quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.[/p][/quote]And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.[/p][/quote]How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely? Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform". An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.[/p][/quote]Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.[/p][/quote]Southy, sorry, but you are an idiot. Forget McD's, a uniform is in many guises; a bank worker might for example be expected to wear a shirt & tie, companies provide branded clothing, at no point does a "uniform" require a disconnect of an individual's thought process or brain conditioning. Of course, if you don't like how your employer wants you to dress find another job but if you want to keep the job suck it up - same with the school, want to go there? dress as they require![/p][/quote]Now you got it Bank personals expected to wear shirt and tie, but not a uniform, they are expected to also, its not compulsory, they have the freedom, in truth there are more jobs that do not require a uniform than there are where it is required. All that should berquired as a kid is to be clean and tidy and no more. Times when a uniform is needed is on school outting or repersenting a school and no more than that. This thing about school unifrom as only came about since the war, before the war only private educated kids had school uniform. southy

6:19pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Scrutinizer says...

And still on the school uniforms issue; Can someone enlighten me as to why - it would seem to me, anyway - when a school is changing it's status from, say, a Comprehensive, or whatever, to a Sports or Science Academy, it is not common practice to simply change the school badge, instead of the whole uniform, and thereby save parents another not inconsiderable financial outlay?
And still on the school uniforms issue; Can someone enlighten me as to why - it would seem to me, anyway - when a school is changing it's status from, say, a Comprehensive, or whatever, to a Sports or Science Academy, it is not common practice to simply change the school badge, instead of the whole uniform, and thereby save parents another not inconsiderable financial outlay? Scrutinizer

6:21pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.
And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.
How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely?
Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform".
An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.
Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.
Southy, sorry, but you are an idiot.
Forget McD's, a uniform is in many guises; a bank worker might for example be expected to wear a shirt & tie, companies provide branded clothing, at no point does a "uniform" require a disconnect of an individual's thought process or brain conditioning.
Of course, if you don't like how your employer wants you to dress find another job but if you want to keep the job suck it up - same with the school, want to go there? dress as they require!
Now you got it Bank personals expected to wear shirt and tie, but not a uniform, they are expected to also, its not compulsory, they have the freedom, in truth there are more jobs that do not require a uniform than there are where it is required.
All that should berquired as a kid is to be clean and tidy and no more.
Times when a uniform is needed is on school outting or repersenting a school and no more than that.
This thing about school unifrom as only came about since the war, before the war only private educated kids had school uniform.
No, you don't get it at all. Instead of a uniform call it a dress code - make sense? Most employers have some kind of a dress code - shirt & tie, overall, uniform etc or maybe simply no hemlines above crotch level!
Now, this school wants the kids to adhere to a dress code, that's all; they've laid down the rules, plain & simple, they've even communicated this several times to parents who, if they care, would make sure they follow them.
As I said earlier, if the kids want to go to this school simply dress as required!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.[/p][/quote]And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.[/p][/quote]How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely? Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform". An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.[/p][/quote]Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.[/p][/quote]Southy, sorry, but you are an idiot. Forget McD's, a uniform is in many guises; a bank worker might for example be expected to wear a shirt & tie, companies provide branded clothing, at no point does a "uniform" require a disconnect of an individual's thought process or brain conditioning. Of course, if you don't like how your employer wants you to dress find another job but if you want to keep the job suck it up - same with the school, want to go there? dress as they require![/p][/quote]Now you got it Bank personals expected to wear shirt and tie, but not a uniform, they are expected to also, its not compulsory, they have the freedom, in truth there are more jobs that do not require a uniform than there are where it is required. All that should berquired as a kid is to be clean and tidy and no more. Times when a uniform is needed is on school outting or repersenting a school and no more than that. This thing about school unifrom as only came about since the war, before the war only private educated kids had school uniform.[/p][/quote]No, you don't get it at all. Instead of a uniform call it a dress code - make sense? Most employers have some kind of a dress code - shirt & tie, overall, uniform etc or maybe simply no hemlines above crotch level! Now, this school wants the kids to adhere to a dress code, that's all; they've laid down the rules, plain & simple, they've even communicated this several times to parents who, if they care, would make sure they follow them. As I said earlier, if the kids want to go to this school simply dress as required! Des Olated

6:28pm Thu 6 Sep 12

southy says...

Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.
And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.
How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely?
Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform".
An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.
Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.
Southy, sorry, but you are an idiot.
Forget McD's, a uniform is in many guises; a bank worker might for example be expected to wear a shirt & tie, companies provide branded clothing, at no point does a "uniform" require a disconnect of an individual's thought process or brain conditioning.
Of course, if you don't like how your employer wants you to dress find another job but if you want to keep the job suck it up - same with the school, want to go there? dress as they require!
Now you got it Bank personals expected to wear shirt and tie, but not a uniform, they are expected to also, its not compulsory, they have the freedom, in truth there are more jobs that do not require a uniform than there are where it is required.
All that should berquired as a kid is to be clean and tidy and no more.
Times when a uniform is needed is on school outting or repersenting a school and no more than that.
This thing about school unifrom as only came about since the war, before the war only private educated kids had school uniform.
No, you don't get it at all. Instead of a uniform call it a dress code - make sense? Most employers have some kind of a dress code - shirt & tie, overall, uniform etc or maybe simply no hemlines above crotch level!
Now, this school wants the kids to adhere to a dress code, that's all; they've laid down the rules, plain & simple, they've even communicated this several times to parents who, if they care, would make sure they follow them.
As I said earlier, if the kids want to go to this school simply dress as required!
I do get it, its still not a uniform, there is a dress code for the House of lords but it do not stop you from having a jeans on, and a number of MPs have done in the pass.
Dress code like for your bankers ect, is an unwriten and not enforce rule.

And like I said school uniforms before the War was only the private educuted kids was seen in them day in and day out.
If its a state school then all they need to is dress neat and tidy and no more than that should be required of them.
[quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.[/p][/quote]And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.[/p][/quote]How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely? Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform". An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.[/p][/quote]Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.[/p][/quote]Southy, sorry, but you are an idiot. Forget McD's, a uniform is in many guises; a bank worker might for example be expected to wear a shirt & tie, companies provide branded clothing, at no point does a "uniform" require a disconnect of an individual's thought process or brain conditioning. Of course, if you don't like how your employer wants you to dress find another job but if you want to keep the job suck it up - same with the school, want to go there? dress as they require![/p][/quote]Now you got it Bank personals expected to wear shirt and tie, but not a uniform, they are expected to also, its not compulsory, they have the freedom, in truth there are more jobs that do not require a uniform than there are where it is required. All that should berquired as a kid is to be clean and tidy and no more. Times when a uniform is needed is on school outting or repersenting a school and no more than that. This thing about school unifrom as only came about since the war, before the war only private educated kids had school uniform.[/p][/quote]No, you don't get it at all. Instead of a uniform call it a dress code - make sense? Most employers have some kind of a dress code - shirt & tie, overall, uniform etc or maybe simply no hemlines above crotch level! Now, this school wants the kids to adhere to a dress code, that's all; they've laid down the rules, plain & simple, they've even communicated this several times to parents who, if they care, would make sure they follow them. As I said earlier, if the kids want to go to this school simply dress as required![/p][/quote]I do get it, its still not a uniform, there is a dress code for the House of lords but it do not stop you from having a jeans on, and a number of MPs have done in the pass. Dress code like for your bankers ect, is an unwriten and not enforce rule. And like I said school uniforms before the War was only the private educuted kids was seen in them day in and day out. If its a state school then all they need to is dress neat and tidy and no more than that should be required of them. southy

6:34pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.
And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.
How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely?
Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform".
An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.
Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.
Southy, sorry, but you are an idiot.
Forget McD's, a uniform is in many guises; a bank worker might for example be expected to wear a shirt & tie, companies provide branded clothing, at no point does a "uniform" require a disconnect of an individual's thought process or brain conditioning.
Of course, if you don't like how your employer wants you to dress find another job but if you want to keep the job suck it up - same with the school, want to go there? dress as they require!
Now you got it Bank personals expected to wear shirt and tie, but not a uniform, they are expected to also, its not compulsory, they have the freedom, in truth there are more jobs that do not require a uniform than there are where it is required.
All that should berquired as a kid is to be clean and tidy and no more.
Times when a uniform is needed is on school outting or repersenting a school and no more than that.
This thing about school unifrom as only came about since the war, before the war only private educated kids had school uniform.
No, you don't get it at all. Instead of a uniform call it a dress code - make sense? Most employers have some kind of a dress code - shirt & tie, overall, uniform etc or maybe simply no hemlines above crotch level!
Now, this school wants the kids to adhere to a dress code, that's all; they've laid down the rules, plain & simple, they've even communicated this several times to parents who, if they care, would make sure they follow them.
As I said earlier, if the kids want to go to this school simply dress as required!
I do get it, its still not a uniform, there is a dress code for the House of lords but it do not stop you from having a jeans on, and a number of MPs have done in the pass.
Dress code like for your bankers ect, is an unwriten and not enforce rule.

And like I said school uniforms before the War was only the private educuted kids was seen in them day in and day out.
If its a state school then all they need to is dress neat and tidy and no more than that should be required of them.
Simple question for you;
The school has decided on a uniform/dress code, why should a pupil wishing to attend the school not adhere to it?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.[/p][/quote]And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.[/p][/quote]How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely? Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform". An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.[/p][/quote]Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.[/p][/quote]Southy, sorry, but you are an idiot. Forget McD's, a uniform is in many guises; a bank worker might for example be expected to wear a shirt & tie, companies provide branded clothing, at no point does a "uniform" require a disconnect of an individual's thought process or brain conditioning. Of course, if you don't like how your employer wants you to dress find another job but if you want to keep the job suck it up - same with the school, want to go there? dress as they require![/p][/quote]Now you got it Bank personals expected to wear shirt and tie, but not a uniform, they are expected to also, its not compulsory, they have the freedom, in truth there are more jobs that do not require a uniform than there are where it is required. All that should berquired as a kid is to be clean and tidy and no more. Times when a uniform is needed is on school outting or repersenting a school and no more than that. This thing about school unifrom as only came about since the war, before the war only private educated kids had school uniform.[/p][/quote]No, you don't get it at all. Instead of a uniform call it a dress code - make sense? Most employers have some kind of a dress code - shirt & tie, overall, uniform etc or maybe simply no hemlines above crotch level! Now, this school wants the kids to adhere to a dress code, that's all; they've laid down the rules, plain & simple, they've even communicated this several times to parents who, if they care, would make sure they follow them. As I said earlier, if the kids want to go to this school simply dress as required![/p][/quote]I do get it, its still not a uniform, there is a dress code for the House of lords but it do not stop you from having a jeans on, and a number of MPs have done in the pass. Dress code like for your bankers ect, is an unwriten and not enforce rule. And like I said school uniforms before the War was only the private educuted kids was seen in them day in and day out. If its a state school then all they need to is dress neat and tidy and no more than that should be required of them.[/p][/quote]Simple question for you; The school has decided on a uniform/dress code, why should a pupil wishing to attend the school not adhere to it? Des Olated

6:41pm Thu 6 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

DBTM wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
DBTM wrote:
"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems"

My son goes to a good school in Hampshire that doesn't have any problems. Perhaps it is because they enfore the unifrom rules?

"Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?"

20 pupils sent home and the rest of them kept on. That would suggest to me that: yes, the rules are clear enough
"Enfore the unifrom rules". What is that exactly ? Bet your son doesn't ask for help with his homework !

The question was why do ALL the good schools....etc, and you quote ONE as an example.

I repeat : Have you read the Crestwood prospectus ?

If you are just going to go on what you read in the Echo, and what things "suggest" to you, we're not going to get anywhere, are we ?
Blimey! I hope you were more patient with your pupils whilst teaching them, especially if they were dyslexic.
I am using what I read in the Daily Echo because that is what we are commenting on. Is it not what you are basing your assumptions upon?
I don't need to read the prospectus, the parents do. If some of them did not understand it, all they had to do was seek clarification. If they had any interest, that is!
I was taking my son's school as an example. I didn't think it was that difficult to understand.
And, lastly: I am not an expert in diplomacy, but making patronising, obtuse and demeaning comments surely doesn't come into it.
I am glad you've retired from teaching, sir, because I would hate the idea of my children being taught by someone as arrogant and suffering from a superiority complex as you seem to be.
Wishing you a good day.
What a load of rubbish ! You are just upset because I countered your arrogant, pompous reply.

I'm so glad I'm retired, too ! I can be as arrogant, patronising, obtuse, demeaning, and superior as I like, and dress like a tramp, without having to apologise to anyone !

The truth is, I am very selective. I won't be rude to just anybody. People have to earn my disrespect and rudeness. Saying something daft with no evidence to support it usually does it.

Sending pupils home en masse is confrontational. The proper way to deal with this sort of situation is to call all the pupils in non-uniform clothes into the hall, and sit them down calmly. Tell them, yet again, why you have a uniform policy (school identity, equallity, etc.) "I want you to look smart, as it reflects our achievements. I want you to feel proud when people compliment us. You know that all the good schools wear uniforms, and I'm sure you would not want us to look shabby next to them. You've had many months notification of our policy, so you know I'm going to insist on the uniform rule. But you will have a choice. Each day you turn up in non-regulation clothes, you will forfeit a priviledge. This must happen, as I do not wish to discriminate against the pupils who do respect our policy."

Surely that is a better approach ?
[quote][p][bold]DBTM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTM[/bold] wrote: "Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems" My son goes to a good school in Hampshire that doesn't have any problems. Perhaps it is because they enfore the unifrom rules? "Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?" 20 pupils sent home and the rest of them kept on. That would suggest to me that: yes, the rules are clear enough[/p][/quote]"Enfore the unifrom rules". What is that exactly ? Bet your son doesn't ask for help with his homework ! The question was why do ALL the good schools....etc, and you quote ONE as an example. I repeat : Have you read the Crestwood prospectus ? If you are just going to go on what you read in the Echo, and what things "suggest" to you, we're not going to get anywhere, are we ?[/p][/quote]Blimey! I hope you were more patient with your pupils whilst teaching them, especially if they were dyslexic. I am using what I read in the Daily Echo because that is what we are commenting on. Is it not what you are basing your assumptions upon? I don't need to read the prospectus, the parents do. If some of them did not understand it, all they had to do was seek clarification. If they had any interest, that is! I was taking my son's school as an example. I didn't think it was that difficult to understand. And, lastly: I am not an expert in diplomacy, but making patronising, obtuse and demeaning comments surely doesn't come into it. I am glad you've retired from teaching, sir, because I would hate the idea of my children being taught by someone as arrogant and suffering from a superiority complex as you seem to be. Wishing you a good day.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish ! You are just upset because I countered your arrogant, pompous reply. I'm so glad I'm retired, too ! I can be as arrogant, patronising, obtuse, demeaning, and superior as I like, and dress like a tramp, without having to apologise to anyone ! The truth is, I am very selective. I won't be rude to just anybody. People have to earn my disrespect and rudeness. Saying something daft with no evidence to support it usually does it. Sending pupils home en masse is confrontational. The proper way to deal with this sort of situation is to call all the pupils in non-uniform clothes into the hall, and sit them down calmly. Tell them, yet again, why you have a uniform policy (school identity, equallity, etc.) "I want you to look smart, as it reflects our achievements. I want you to feel proud when people compliment us. You know that all the good schools wear uniforms, and I'm sure you would not want us to look shabby next to them. You've had many months notification of our policy, so you know I'm going to insist on the uniform rule. But you will have a choice. Each day you turn up in non-regulation clothes, you will forfeit a priviledge. This must happen, as I do not wish to discriminate against the pupils who do respect our policy." Surely that is a better approach ? BillyTheKid

6:55pm Thu 6 Sep 12

solomum says...

southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want?

The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.
Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.
And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.
How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely?
Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform".
An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.
Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.
Southy, sorry, but you are an idiot.
Forget McD's, a uniform is in many guises; a bank worker might for example be expected to wear a shirt & tie, companies provide branded clothing, at no point does a "uniform" require a disconnect of an individual's thought process or brain conditioning.
Of course, if you don't like how your employer wants you to dress find another job but if you want to keep the job suck it up - same with the school, want to go there? dress as they require!
Now you got it Bank personals expected to wear shirt and tie, but not a uniform, they are expected to also, its not compulsory, they have the freedom, in truth there are more jobs that do not require a uniform than there are where it is required.
All that should berquired as a kid is to be clean and tidy and no more.
Times when a uniform is needed is on school outting or repersenting a school and no more than that.
This thing about school unifrom as only came about since the war, before the war only private educated kids had school uniform.
No, you don't get it at all. Instead of a uniform call it a dress code - make sense? Most employers have some kind of a dress code - shirt & tie, overall, uniform etc or maybe simply no hemlines above crotch level!
Now, this school wants the kids to adhere to a dress code, that's all; they've laid down the rules, plain & simple, they've even communicated this several times to parents who, if they care, would make sure they follow them.
As I said earlier, if the kids want to go to this school simply dress as required!
I do get it, its still not a uniform, there is a dress code for the House of lords but it do not stop you from having a jeans on, and a number of MPs have done in the pass.
Dress code like for your bankers ect, is an unwriten and not enforce rule.

And like I said school uniforms before the War was only the private educuted kids was seen in them day in and day out.
If its a state school then all they need to is dress neat and tidy and no more than that should be required of them.
Southy, your spelling is atrocious. Detention for you boy.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Brain conditioning. Hmm another pearl of wisdom. Perhaps they should wear what the want, turn up when they want? The lax attitude is part way resposible for a sea of unemployable youngseters who whilst not willing to put the effort in at school turn their nose up at the jobs that their "effort" has made them qualified for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Like it or not, a lot of workplaces have a dress code. You have to look very hard to find a workplace that doesn't require at least some discipline from everyone there. School is supposed to prepare you for real life, avoiding these issues is letting the kids down, if you ask me.[/p][/quote]And end up with a bunch of adults that do not think freely and only to react.[/p][/quote]How is wearing school uniform denying the right to think freely? Georgem is correct, most occupations require some form of "uniform". An employer expects and has the right to demand that it's employees to conform to it's workplace rules & allowing children to believe they can do/act as they want is setting them up for a very big reality check or unemployment.[/p][/quote]Its brain conditioning ready for working for a coporates, like Mcdondles, do as your told and dont think.[/p][/quote]Southy, sorry, but you are an idiot. Forget McD's, a uniform is in many guises; a bank worker might for example be expected to wear a shirt & tie, companies provide branded clothing, at no point does a "uniform" require a disconnect of an individual's thought process or brain conditioning. Of course, if you don't like how your employer wants you to dress find another job but if you want to keep the job suck it up - same with the school, want to go there? dress as they require![/p][/quote]Now you got it Bank personals expected to wear shirt and tie, but not a uniform, they are expected to also, its not compulsory, they have the freedom, in truth there are more jobs that do not require a uniform than there are where it is required. All that should berquired as a kid is to be clean and tidy and no more. Times when a uniform is needed is on school outting or repersenting a school and no more than that. This thing about school unifrom as only came about since the war, before the war only private educated kids had school uniform.[/p][/quote]No, you don't get it at all. Instead of a uniform call it a dress code - make sense? Most employers have some kind of a dress code - shirt & tie, overall, uniform etc or maybe simply no hemlines above crotch level! Now, this school wants the kids to adhere to a dress code, that's all; they've laid down the rules, plain & simple, they've even communicated this several times to parents who, if they care, would make sure they follow them. As I said earlier, if the kids want to go to this school simply dress as required![/p][/quote]I do get it, its still not a uniform, there is a dress code for the House of lords but it do not stop you from having a jeans on, and a number of MPs have done in the pass. Dress code like for your bankers ect, is an unwriten and not enforce rule. And like I said school uniforms before the War was only the private educuted kids was seen in them day in and day out. If its a state school then all they need to is dress neat and tidy and no more than that should be required of them.[/p][/quote]Southy, your spelling is atrocious. Detention for you boy. solomum

6:55pm Thu 6 Sep 12

schoolmum says...

I am a Crestwood year 11 mum and i have to say that the basic article is incorrect.My daughter was sent home for wearing the same trousers as last year.She has 6months left of school at school and i have been forced to buy complete new uniform when we were hold it would be flexible for year 11.Where is the flixibility in that.Would you be prepared to buy new uniform for 6months wear.Sending them home,gains nothing other than to denigh them important education before there exams.I should point out Ms Dawkins agreed my daughters trousers were exceptable last year.
I agree Crestwood pupils were given adequate time to get the uniform and given guidance as to what they needed.If i had any other year(7-10)I would say brilliant,but it is stupid and inappropriate for less than 6mths wear + if my daughters uniform was wrong,why were others allowed to break the rules and stay in school.This is starting to look like favouritism and bullying.When are Crestwood Governors going to admit
they should have stpped this happening.Year 11 pupils should be thinking about their exams not worrying about wearing the wrong trousers.My daughter was made to take out her earrings today because they didn't match.1 was gold 1 was acrylic.what difference does that make to whether she gets an "A" or an "E"? Perhaps she would like to comment on that.
I am a Crestwood year 11 mum and i have to say that the basic article is incorrect.My daughter was sent home for wearing the same trousers as last year.She has 6months left of school at school and i have been forced to buy complete new uniform when we were hold it would be flexible for year 11.Where is the flixibility in that.Would you be prepared to buy new uniform for 6months wear.Sending them home,gains nothing other than to denigh them important education before there exams.I should point out Ms Dawkins agreed my daughters trousers were exceptable last year. I agree Crestwood pupils were given adequate time to get the uniform and given guidance as to what they needed.If i had any other year(7-10)I would say brilliant,but it is stupid and inappropriate for less than 6mths wear + if my daughters uniform was wrong,why were others allowed to break the rules and stay in school.This is starting to look like favouritism and bullying.When are Crestwood Governors going to admit they should have stpped this happening.Year 11 pupils should be thinking about their exams not worrying about wearing the wrong trousers.My daughter was made to take out her earrings today because they didn't match.1 was gold 1 was acrylic.what difference does that make to whether she gets an "A" or an "E"? Perhaps she would like to comment on that. schoolmum

7:02pm Thu 6 Sep 12

chapellady says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
"The school had changed its uniform for the start of term", meaning that the parents had to replace the old ones? How much did that cost each parent? “The school has a hardship fund and have helped lots of families to buy uniform". How many people are humiliated at having to grovel for funds to but their kids their Uniform? I agree the pupils should take pride in their appearance but limitting the choice is a bit OTT, perhaps the School has shares in Uniform Manufactures or the shops that exclusively sell them?
The old school uniform could only be obtained from Skoolkit. Sweatshirts cost aprrox £14 each and polo shirts £12. I had to buy at least 2 of each. Now the blazer cost £20 and shirts can be bought from any supermarket or Matalan for £7 for a pack of 2. This is much cheaper, much smarter and much improved! Uniform is always mentioned in weekly assemblies and girls know which trousers are acceptable as they are always being told. They knew that the uniform policy was going to be strictly monitored and had been given more than enough notice of this. Perhaps the Echo should have focused on the fact that parents were not prepared to show their kids that there are rules that they might not like but have to adhere to rather than making the school out to be the one at fault! Not really a front page issue or indeed a story that needs to be printed at all.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: "The school had changed its uniform for the start of term", meaning that the parents had to replace the old ones? How much did that cost each parent? “The school has a hardship fund and have helped lots of families to buy uniform". How many people are humiliated at having to grovel for funds to but their kids their Uniform? I agree the pupils should take pride in their appearance but limitting the choice is a bit OTT, perhaps the School has shares in Uniform Manufactures or the shops that exclusively sell them?[/p][/quote]The old school uniform could only be obtained from Skoolkit. Sweatshirts cost aprrox £14 each and polo shirts £12. I had to buy at least 2 of each. Now the blazer cost £20 and shirts can be bought from any supermarket or Matalan for £7 for a pack of 2. This is much cheaper, much smarter and much improved! Uniform is always mentioned in weekly assemblies and girls know which trousers are acceptable as they are always being told. They knew that the uniform policy was going to be strictly monitored and had been given more than enough notice of this. Perhaps the Echo should have focused on the fact that parents were not prepared to show their kids that there are rules that they might not like but have to adhere to rather than making the school out to be the one at fault! Not really a front page issue or indeed a story that needs to be printed at all. chapellady

7:06pm Thu 6 Sep 12

solomum says...

schoolmum wrote:
I am a Crestwood year 11 mum and i have to say that the basic article is incorrect.My daughter was sent home for wearing the same trousers as last year.She has 6months left of school at school and i have been forced to buy complete new uniform when we were hold it would be flexible for year 11.Where is the flixibility in that.Would you be prepared to buy new uniform for 6months wear.Sending them home,gains nothing other than to denigh them important education before there exams.I should point out Ms Dawkins agreed my daughters trousers were exceptable last year.
I agree Crestwood pupils were given adequate time to get the uniform and given guidance as to what they needed.If i had any other year(7-10)I would say brilliant,but it is stupid and inappropriate for less than 6mths wear + if my daughters uniform was wrong,why were others allowed to break the rules and stay in school.This is starting to look like favouritism and bullying.When are Crestwood Governors going to admit
they should have stpped this happening.Year 11 pupils should be thinking about their exams not worrying about wearing the wrong trousers.My daughter was made to take out her earrings today because they didn't match.1 was gold 1 was acrylic.what difference does that make to whether she gets an "A" or an "E"? Perhaps she would like to comment on that.
Why only 6 months? Is your daughter leaving school in February? More likely to be 8-9 months. Also as children grow, most uniforms only last a school year anyway. Do you resent buying your daughter other clothes incase they do not fit her in 6 months time? Of course not, so why is a school uniform different? Whatever excuse you find, the real issue here is that you are not prepared to enforce the school rules for your daughter.
[quote][p][bold]schoolmum[/bold] wrote: I am a Crestwood year 11 mum and i have to say that the basic article is incorrect.My daughter was sent home for wearing the same trousers as last year.She has 6months left of school at school and i have been forced to buy complete new uniform when we were hold it would be flexible for year 11.Where is the flixibility in that.Would you be prepared to buy new uniform for 6months wear.Sending them home,gains nothing other than to denigh them important education before there exams.I should point out Ms Dawkins agreed my daughters trousers were exceptable last year. I agree Crestwood pupils were given adequate time to get the uniform and given guidance as to what they needed.If i had any other year(7-10)I would say brilliant,but it is stupid and inappropriate for less than 6mths wear + if my daughters uniform was wrong,why were others allowed to break the rules and stay in school.This is starting to look like favouritism and bullying.When are Crestwood Governors going to admit they should have stpped this happening.Year 11 pupils should be thinking about their exams not worrying about wearing the wrong trousers.My daughter was made to take out her earrings today because they didn't match.1 was gold 1 was acrylic.what difference does that make to whether she gets an "A" or an "E"? Perhaps she would like to comment on that.[/p][/quote]Why only 6 months? Is your daughter leaving school in February? More likely to be 8-9 months. Also as children grow, most uniforms only last a school year anyway. Do you resent buying your daughter other clothes incase they do not fit her in 6 months time? Of course not, so why is a school uniform different? Whatever excuse you find, the real issue here is that you are not prepared to enforce the school rules for your daughter. solomum

7:16pm Thu 6 Sep 12

schoolmum says...

Are you saying that you are prepared to buy approx £65.00 of uniform for less than 6mths wear.you must have lots of money to burn.This is a very relevant story or you wouldn't be reading it.I expressed my appreciation of the uniform,I think it is very smart and will be an asset to both school and the pupils wearing it.I only have one issue.Why are the year 11's being made to wear it after being told it would be flexible for them as they have left than 6mths to wear it.The school is going back on what it said and i for one would not have gone along with the uniform proposal if i had known it was going to work out like this.I wear a uniform at work and i have never been told i cannot wear slim ankled trousers at any time and these trousers are the real issue.
Are you saying that you are prepared to buy approx £65.00 of uniform for less than 6mths wear.you must have lots of money to burn.This is a very relevant story or you wouldn't be reading it.I expressed my appreciation of the uniform,I think it is very smart and will be an asset to both school and the pupils wearing it.I only have one issue.Why are the year 11's being made to wear it after being told it would be flexible for them as they have left than 6mths to wear it.The school is going back on what it said and i for one would not have gone along with the uniform proposal if i had known it was going to work out like this.I wear a uniform at work and i have never been told i cannot wear slim ankled trousers at any time and these trousers are the real issue. schoolmum

7:19pm Thu 6 Sep 12

George4th says...

schoolmum wrote:
I am a Crestwood year 11 mum and i have to say that the basic article is incorrect.My daughter was sent home for wearing the same trousers as last year.She has 6months left of school at school and i have been forced to buy complete new uniform when we were hold it would be flexible for year 11.Where is the flixibility in that.Would you be prepared to buy new uniform for 6months wear.Sending them home,gains nothing other than to denigh them important education before there exams.I should point out Ms Dawkins agreed my daughters trousers were exceptable last year.
I agree Crestwood pupils were given adequate time to get the uniform and given guidance as to what they needed.If i had any other year(7-10)I would say brilliant,but it is stupid and inappropriate for less than 6mths wear + if my daughters uniform was wrong,why were others allowed to break the rules and stay in school.This is starting to look like favouritism and bullying.When are Crestwood Governors going to admit
they should have stpped this happening.Year 11 pupils should be thinking about their exams not worrying about wearing the wrong trousers.My daughter was made to take out her earrings today because they didn't match.1 was gold 1 was acrylic.what difference does that make to whether she gets an "A" or an "E"? Perhaps she would like to comment on that.
You seem to be out of step with other Crestwood parents on here? And as someone pointed out, you cannot make exceptions. Plus, Crestwood is a much improved school and is liked by the children, staff and most parents.............
>
As an aside, would your daughter not have grown out of last year's clothes? (or had the wear anyway?)
[quote][p][bold]schoolmum[/bold] wrote: I am a Crestwood year 11 mum and i have to say that the basic article is incorrect.My daughter was sent home for wearing the same trousers as last year.She has 6months left of school at school and i have been forced to buy complete new uniform when we were hold it would be flexible for year 11.Where is the flixibility in that.Would you be prepared to buy new uniform for 6months wear.Sending them home,gains nothing other than to denigh them important education before there exams.I should point out Ms Dawkins agreed my daughters trousers were exceptable last year. I agree Crestwood pupils were given adequate time to get the uniform and given guidance as to what they needed.If i had any other year(7-10)I would say brilliant,but it is stupid and inappropriate for less than 6mths wear + if my daughters uniform was wrong,why were others allowed to break the rules and stay in school.This is starting to look like favouritism and bullying.When are Crestwood Governors going to admit they should have stpped this happening.Year 11 pupils should be thinking about their exams not worrying about wearing the wrong trousers.My daughter was made to take out her earrings today because they didn't match.1 was gold 1 was acrylic.what difference does that make to whether she gets an "A" or an "E"? Perhaps she would like to comment on that.[/p][/quote]You seem to be out of step with other Crestwood parents on here? And as someone pointed out, you cannot make exceptions. Plus, Crestwood is a much improved school and is liked by the children, staff and most parents............. > As an aside, would your daughter not have grown out of last year's clothes? (or had the wear anyway?) George4th

7:22pm Thu 6 Sep 12

alan.of.eastleigh says...

Barbender wrote:
To set an example teachers should wear a uniform, after all most of them are paid more than most parents.
Sarcasm?
[quote][p][bold]Barbender[/bold] wrote: To set an example teachers should wear a uniform, after all most of them are paid more than most parents.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm? alan.of.eastleigh

7:24pm Thu 6 Sep 12

schoolmum says...

Just a little add on in reply to the previous comment.Year 11's have work experience and study leave,both of which they don't need uniform for,hence approx 6mths.
Just a little add on in reply to the previous comment.Year 11's have work experience and study leave,both of which they don't need uniform for,hence approx 6mths. schoolmum

7:27pm Thu 6 Sep 12

George4th says...

schoolmum wrote:
Are you saying that you are prepared to buy approx £65.00 of uniform for less than 6mths wear.you must have lots of money to burn.This is a very relevant story or you wouldn't be reading it.I expressed my appreciation of the uniform,I think it is very smart and will be an asset to both school and the pupils wearing it.I only have one issue.Why are the year 11's being made to wear it after being told it would be flexible for them as they have left than 6mths to wear it.The school is going back on what it said and i for one would not have gone along with the uniform proposal if i had known it was going to work out like this.I wear a uniform at work and i have never been told i cannot wear slim ankled trousers at any time and these trousers are the real issue.
You were first informed in a letter in May. You then had it reinforced in July. The letters stated the School policy in plain and simple English.
If you did not agree with it or had any other issues then you and any other parents who were unclear should have contacted the school for further clarification and NOT WAIT UNTIL TERM STARTED!
[quote][p][bold]schoolmum[/bold] wrote: Are you saying that you are prepared to buy approx £65.00 of uniform for less than 6mths wear.you must have lots of money to burn.This is a very relevant story or you wouldn't be reading it.I expressed my appreciation of the uniform,I think it is very smart and will be an asset to both school and the pupils wearing it.I only have one issue.Why are the year 11's being made to wear it after being told it would be flexible for them as they have left than 6mths to wear it.The school is going back on what it said and i for one would not have gone along with the uniform proposal if i had known it was going to work out like this.I wear a uniform at work and i have never been told i cannot wear slim ankled trousers at any time and these trousers are the real issue.[/p][/quote]You were first informed in a letter in May. You then had it reinforced in July. The letters stated the School policy in plain and simple English. If you did not agree with it or had any other issues then you and any other parents who were unclear should have contacted the school for further clarification and NOT WAIT UNTIL TERM STARTED! George4th

7:35pm Thu 6 Sep 12

chapellady says...

schoolmum wrote:
Are you saying that you are prepared to buy approx £65.00 of uniform for less than 6mths wear.you must have lots of money to burn.This is a very relevant story or you wouldn't be reading it.I expressed my appreciation of the uniform,I think it is very smart and will be an asset to both school and the pupils wearing it.I only have one issue.Why are the year 11's being made to wear it after being told it would be flexible for them as they have left than 6mths to wear it.The school is going back on what it said and i for one would not have gone along with the uniform proposal if i had known it was going to work out like this.I wear a uniform at work and i have never been told i cannot wear slim ankled trousers at any time and these trousers are the real issue.
Year 11 do not have to wear the new uniform they can still wear the old one. My son is also in year 11 and I have chosen to buy the new one which cost nowhere near £65. But then I didn't buy fashionable tight black trousers! Was your daughter not in the assemblies when they were told about the new strict policy or did you chose not to read the letters or look at the pictures showing the acceptable clothes?
[quote][p][bold]schoolmum[/bold] wrote: Are you saying that you are prepared to buy approx £65.00 of uniform for less than 6mths wear.you must have lots of money to burn.This is a very relevant story or you wouldn't be reading it.I expressed my appreciation of the uniform,I think it is very smart and will be an asset to both school and the pupils wearing it.I only have one issue.Why are the year 11's being made to wear it after being told it would be flexible for them as they have left than 6mths to wear it.The school is going back on what it said and i for one would not have gone along with the uniform proposal if i had known it was going to work out like this.I wear a uniform at work and i have never been told i cannot wear slim ankled trousers at any time and these trousers are the real issue.[/p][/quote]Year 11 do not have to wear the new uniform they can still wear the old one. My son is also in year 11 and I have chosen to buy the new one which cost nowhere near £65. But then I didn't buy fashionable tight black trousers! Was your daughter not in the assemblies when they were told about the new strict policy or did you chose not to read the letters or look at the pictures showing the acceptable clothes? chapellady

7:36pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Laura85 says...

I wonder if kids r going to get sent home for having the wrong hair cut or dyed hair? I agree a uniform is good for how a school looks but I don't c the problems personally with black leggings.
I wonder if kids r going to get sent home for having the wrong hair cut or dyed hair? I agree a uniform is good for how a school looks but I don't c the problems personally with black leggings. Laura85

7:37pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Sir Ad E Noid says...

sensible mum wrote:
Firstly, as parents, we have not been told to go off and buy a new uniform, we have a year transition period and when our kids grow out of the old, we replace with the new. The new uniform works out cheaper than the old, is smarter and more hard wearing. It was voted in by the majority of parents and we were fully informed of the style of trousers and shoes expected. Anyone who struggles to pay for it are helped financially and this is done confidentially and with sensitivity. My son is still in the old uniform and had no problems because we have read the dozen letters letting us know the acceptable standards. Life is full of rules and regulations and our kids need to learn how to comply and take a pride in their appearance. I work in an establishment with a uniform and if I want to keep my job I respect my employer. In the evening and weekend when I am not representing my company, I can express myself wearing whatever I like. Mrs Dawkins, the majority of parents are right behind you. Well done.
What a sensible post, and probably close to the truth of the matter? Well done, Mum.
[quote][p][bold]sensible mum[/bold] wrote: Firstly, as parents, we have not been told to go off and buy a new uniform, we have a year transition period and when our kids grow out of the old, we replace with the new. The new uniform works out cheaper than the old, is smarter and more hard wearing. It was voted in by the majority of parents and we were fully informed of the style of trousers and shoes expected. Anyone who struggles to pay for it are helped financially and this is done confidentially and with sensitivity. My son is still in the old uniform and had no problems because we have read the dozen letters letting us know the acceptable standards. Life is full of rules and regulations and our kids need to learn how to comply and take a pride in their appearance. I work in an establishment with a uniform and if I want to keep my job I respect my employer. In the evening and weekend when I am not representing my company, I can express myself wearing whatever I like. Mrs Dawkins, the majority of parents are right behind you. Well done.[/p][/quote]What a sensible post, and probably close to the truth of the matter? Well done, Mum. Sir Ad E Noid

7:38pm Thu 6 Sep 12

alan.of.eastleigh says...

schoolmum wrote:
I am a Crestwood year 11 mum and i have to say that the basic article is incorrect.My daughter was sent home for wearing the same trousers as last year.She has 6months left of school at school and i have been forced to buy complete new uniform when we were hold it would be flexible for year 11.Where is the flixibility in that.Would you be prepared to buy new uniform for 6months wear.Sending them home,gains nothing other than to denigh them important education before there exams.I should point out Ms Dawkins agreed my daughters trousers were exceptable last year.
I agree Crestwood pupils were given adequate time to get the uniform and given guidance as to what they needed.If i had any other year(7-10)I would say brilliant,but it is stupid and inappropriate for less than 6mths wear + if my daughters uniform was wrong,why were others allowed to break the rules and stay in school.This is starting to look like favouritism and bullying.When are Crestwood Governors going to admit
they should have stpped this happening.Year 11 pupils should be thinking about their exams not worrying about wearing the wrong trousers.My daughter was made to take out her earrings today because they didn't match.1 was gold 1 was acrylic.what difference does that make to whether she gets an "A" or an "E"? Perhaps she would like to comment on that.
You allow your daughter to wear jewellery to school...???? In answer to you question yes attitude will undoubtedly impact on grades in the long run. It amazes me that poorer nations in Africa and Caribbean can send their children to school in immaculate and identical uniforms but here in the uk we are more concerned with our kids looking cool. It seems to me the parents need to take some responsibility here
[quote][p][bold]schoolmum[/bold] wrote: I am a Crestwood year 11 mum and i have to say that the basic article is incorrect.My daughter was sent home for wearing the same trousers as last year.She has 6months left of school at school and i have been forced to buy complete new uniform when we were hold it would be flexible for year 11.Where is the flixibility in that.Would you be prepared to buy new uniform for 6months wear.Sending them home,gains nothing other than to denigh them important education before there exams.I should point out Ms Dawkins agreed my daughters trousers were exceptable last year. I agree Crestwood pupils were given adequate time to get the uniform and given guidance as to what they needed.If i had any other year(7-10)I would say brilliant,but it is stupid and inappropriate for less than 6mths wear + if my daughters uniform was wrong,why were others allowed to break the rules and stay in school.This is starting to look like favouritism and bullying.When are Crestwood Governors going to admit they should have stpped this happening.Year 11 pupils should be thinking about their exams not worrying about wearing the wrong trousers.My daughter was made to take out her earrings today because they didn't match.1 was gold 1 was acrylic.what difference does that make to whether she gets an "A" or an "E"? Perhaps she would like to comment on that.[/p][/quote]You allow your daughter to wear jewellery to school...???? In answer to you question yes attitude will undoubtedly impact on grades in the long run. It amazes me that poorer nations in Africa and Caribbean can send their children to school in immaculate and identical uniforms but here in the uk we are more concerned with our kids looking cool. It seems to me the parents need to take some responsibility here alan.of.eastleigh

7:38pm Thu 6 Sep 12

cmth40 says...

well done crestwood,its time these kids and parents where bought into line,we need more discipline and respect kids these days go to school looking like rent boys,with pants showing and trousers at half mast,and girls as if they are going to the corner to wait for a call,skirts so high you can see knickers no wonder kids are like they are with some parents comments
well done crestwood,its time these kids and parents where bought into line,we need more discipline and respect kids these days go to school looking like rent boys,with pants showing and trousers at half mast,and girls as if they are going to the corner to wait for a call,skirts so high you can see knickers [or lack of them] no wonder kids are like they are with some parents comments cmth40

7:40pm Thu 6 Sep 12

schoolmum says...

if my daughter had grown out of her clothes last year,don't you think i would have bought new ? All I want is for Crestwood to keep to there word.As I pointed out ,if i had a younger child i would agree with them.My daughter looked very smart in her new uniform,it was only the trousers i didn't think warranted replacing for such a short period.When i see what uniform they are allowing i quite frankly can't believe it.As i said before its a if your face fits situation.
if my daughter had grown out of her clothes last year,don't you think i would have bought new ? All I want is for Crestwood to keep to there word.As I pointed out ,if i had a younger child i would agree with them.My daughter looked very smart in her new uniform,it was only the trousers i didn't think warranted replacing for such a short period.When i see what uniform they are allowing i quite frankly can't believe it.As i said before its a if your face fits situation. schoolmum

7:50pm Thu 6 Sep 12

icommentoncomments says...

schoolmum wrote:
if my daughter had grown out of her clothes last year,don't you think i would have bought new ? All I want is for Crestwood to keep to there word.As I pointed out ,if i had a younger child i would agree with them.My daughter looked very smart in her new uniform,it was only the trousers i didn't think warranted replacing for such a short period.When i see what uniform they are allowing i quite frankly can't believe it.As i said before its a if your face fits situation.
i thought you said that she diddnt need a new uniform so why did you write "my daughter looks very smart in her new uniform."
[quote][p][bold]schoolmum[/bold] wrote: if my daughter had grown out of her clothes last year,don't you think i would have bought new ? All I want is for Crestwood to keep to there word.As I pointed out ,if i had a younger child i would agree with them.My daughter looked very smart in her new uniform,it was only the trousers i didn't think warranted replacing for such a short period.When i see what uniform they are allowing i quite frankly can't believe it.As i said before its a if your face fits situation.[/p][/quote]i thought you said that she diddnt need a new uniform so why did you write "my daughter looks very smart in her new uniform." icommentoncomments

7:50pm Thu 6 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

After reading through some of the comments here today, I have to be honest and say I actually feel sorry for some children. What hope do they have of leaving school and finding a decent job, when their very own parents won't even encourage them to abide by simple rules and regulations.

Such a pity something like a dress code cannot be adhered to and parents try coming up with every excuse under the sun which no doubt will rub off on the children.

Some kids just have no chance in life from the start.......
After reading through some of the comments here today, I have to be honest and say I actually feel sorry for some children. What hope do they have of leaving school and finding a decent job, when their very own parents won't even encourage them to abide by simple rules and regulations. Such a pity something like a dress code cannot be adhered to and parents try coming up with every excuse under the sun which no doubt will rub off on the children. Some kids just have no chance in life from the start....... IronLady2010

7:52pm Thu 6 Sep 12

schoolmum says...

We seem to be getting off the real issue.Comments please as to whether
the trousers in the photo are respectable school wear with the new blazer,shirt and tie .My daughter looked extremely smart and a member of the school staff said so too.Please comment
it will be interesting to here what other parents think.Incidently my eldest who is now in a senior job role wearing uniform went to Toynbee and wore these same stile trousers right the way
through.she was NEVER sent home because her trousers were provocative.
We seem to be getting off the real issue.Comments please as to whether the trousers in the photo are respectable school wear with the new blazer,shirt and tie .My daughter looked extremely smart and a member of the school staff said so too.Please comment it will be interesting to here what other parents think.Incidently my eldest who is now in a senior job role wearing uniform went to Toynbee and wore these same stile trousers right the way through.she was NEVER sent home because her trousers were provocative. schoolmum

7:52pm Thu 6 Sep 12

sheeparecool says...

I can't believe people are getting so worked up about this. When I went to school we all had to adhere to a much stricter dress code and no-one ever had a problem with it. I went to a girls school, we weren't allowed to wear trousers and the skirts were only available in two styles and we weren't allowed to have skirts with splits or pleats. You would be sent home if they were too long or too short. Our socks had to be white or navy, shoes had to be black or navy. Hair bobbles also had to be white or navy. We were allowed to wear one pair of earrings (small studs or sleepers), no other jewellery and if we went to school wearing make-up or nail varnish you would get pulled into the teachers office and be made to take it off. This was 1990-97 so not that long ago! The school does now allow trousers to be worn but they still look extremely smart in their uniform. My brother went to the equivalent boys school where they had to wear a blazer at all times and when it was hot they had to put their hand up to ask permission to take it off! Since I moved to Hampshire I have been shocked at how most children dress for school, especially what some girls get away with. Some look like they should be standing near a red light rather than going to school! It amazes me that the parents let them out of the house the way they are dressed. Well done to this head teacher for being sensible and making them smarten up a bit!
I can't believe people are getting so worked up about this. When I went to school we all had to adhere to a much stricter dress code and no-one ever had a problem with it. I went to a girls school, we weren't allowed to wear trousers and the skirts were only available in two styles and we weren't allowed to have skirts with splits or pleats. You would be sent home if they were too long or too short. Our socks had to be white or navy, shoes had to be black or navy. Hair bobbles also had to be white or navy. We were allowed to wear one pair of earrings (small studs or sleepers), no other jewellery and if we went to school wearing make-up or nail varnish you would get pulled into the teachers office and be made to take it off. This was 1990-97 so not that long ago! The school does now allow trousers to be worn but they still look extremely smart in their uniform. My brother went to the equivalent boys school where they had to wear a blazer at all times and when it was hot they had to put their hand up to ask permission to take it off! Since I moved to Hampshire I have been shocked at how most children dress for school, especially what some girls get away with. Some look like they should be standing near a red light rather than going to school! It amazes me that the parents let them out of the house the way they are dressed. Well done to this head teacher for being sensible and making them smarten up a bit! sheeparecool

7:59pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Den666 says...

I think it was wrong to send the children home, why not inform the parent with a 'must have' correct uniform by... or they will not be allowed back in school..
I work and to have my daughter sent home out of the blue without being able to make arrangements for her care at such notice, when she should have been in school 'care' is wrong.
Also , how did these 'reminder' letters get sent about the uniform because I did not receive one( if it's through the children you cannot guarantee the parents will receive them)
I did not receive an email about it either and the school has my email address.
I think it was wrong to send the children home, why not inform the parent with a 'must have' correct uniform by... or they will not be allowed back in school.. I work and to have my daughter sent home out of the blue without being able to make arrangements for her care at such notice, when she should have been in school 'care' is wrong. Also , how did these 'reminder' letters get sent about the uniform because I did not receive one( if it's through the children you cannot guarantee the parents will receive them) I did not receive an email about it either and the school has my email address. Den666

8:00pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Georgem says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
DBTM wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
DBTM wrote:
"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems"

My son goes to a good school in Hampshire that doesn't have any problems. Perhaps it is because they enfore the unifrom rules?

"Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?"

20 pupils sent home and the rest of them kept on. That would suggest to me that: yes, the rules are clear enough
"Enfore the unifrom rules". What is that exactly ? Bet your son doesn't ask for help with his homework !

The question was why do ALL the good schools....etc, and you quote ONE as an example.

I repeat : Have you read the Crestwood prospectus ?

If you are just going to go on what you read in the Echo, and what things "suggest" to you, we're not going to get anywhere, are we ?
Blimey! I hope you were more patient with your pupils whilst teaching them, especially if they were dyslexic.
I am using what I read in the Daily Echo because that is what we are commenting on. Is it not what you are basing your assumptions upon?
I don't need to read the prospectus, the parents do. If some of them did not understand it, all they had to do was seek clarification. If they had any interest, that is!
I was taking my son's school as an example. I didn't think it was that difficult to understand.
And, lastly: I am not an expert in diplomacy, but making patronising, obtuse and demeaning comments surely doesn't come into it.
I am glad you've retired from teaching, sir, because I would hate the idea of my children being taught by someone as arrogant and suffering from a superiority complex as you seem to be.
Wishing you a good day.
What a load of rubbish ! You are just upset because I countered your arrogant, pompous reply.

I'm so glad I'm retired, too ! I can be as arrogant, patronising, obtuse, demeaning, and superior as I like, and dress like a tramp, without having to apologise to anyone !

The truth is, I am very selective. I won't be rude to just anybody. People have to earn my disrespect and rudeness. Saying something daft with no evidence to support it usually does it.

Sending pupils home en masse is confrontational. The proper way to deal with this sort of situation is to call all the pupils in non-uniform clothes into the hall, and sit them down calmly. Tell them, yet again, why you have a uniform policy (school identity, equallity, etc.) "I want you to look smart, as it reflects our achievements. I want you to feel proud when people compliment us. You know that all the good schools wear uniforms, and I'm sure you would not want us to look shabby next to them. You've had many months notification of our policy, so you know I'm going to insist on the uniform rule. But you will have a choice. Each day you turn up in non-regulation clothes, you will forfeit a priviledge. This must happen, as I do not wish to discriminate against the pupils who do respect our policy."

Surely that is a better approach ?
Ignore this confirmed, self-confessed troll.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTM[/bold] wrote: "Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems" My son goes to a good school in Hampshire that doesn't have any problems. Perhaps it is because they enfore the unifrom rules? "Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?" 20 pupils sent home and the rest of them kept on. That would suggest to me that: yes, the rules are clear enough[/p][/quote]"Enfore the unifrom rules". What is that exactly ? Bet your son doesn't ask for help with his homework ! The question was why do ALL the good schools....etc, and you quote ONE as an example. I repeat : Have you read the Crestwood prospectus ? If you are just going to go on what you read in the Echo, and what things "suggest" to you, we're not going to get anywhere, are we ?[/p][/quote]Blimey! I hope you were more patient with your pupils whilst teaching them, especially if they were dyslexic. I am using what I read in the Daily Echo because that is what we are commenting on. Is it not what you are basing your assumptions upon? I don't need to read the prospectus, the parents do. If some of them did not understand it, all they had to do was seek clarification. If they had any interest, that is! I was taking my son's school as an example. I didn't think it was that difficult to understand. And, lastly: I am not an expert in diplomacy, but making patronising, obtuse and demeaning comments surely doesn't come into it. I am glad you've retired from teaching, sir, because I would hate the idea of my children being taught by someone as arrogant and suffering from a superiority complex as you seem to be. Wishing you a good day.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish ! You are just upset because I countered your arrogant, pompous reply. I'm so glad I'm retired, too ! I can be as arrogant, patronising, obtuse, demeaning, and superior as I like, and dress like a tramp, without having to apologise to anyone ! The truth is, I am very selective. I won't be rude to just anybody. People have to earn my disrespect and rudeness. Saying something daft with no evidence to support it usually does it. Sending pupils home en masse is confrontational. The proper way to deal with this sort of situation is to call all the pupils in non-uniform clothes into the hall, and sit them down calmly. Tell them, yet again, why you have a uniform policy (school identity, equallity, etc.) "I want you to look smart, as it reflects our achievements. I want you to feel proud when people compliment us. You know that all the good schools wear uniforms, and I'm sure you would not want us to look shabby next to them. You've had many months notification of our policy, so you know I'm going to insist on the uniform rule. But you will have a choice. Each day you turn up in non-regulation clothes, you will forfeit a priviledge. This must happen, as I do not wish to discriminate against the pupils who do respect our policy." Surely that is a better approach ?[/p][/quote]Ignore this confirmed, self-confessed troll. Georgem

8:35pm Thu 6 Sep 12

AD1974 says...

Seems straight forward to me. Send your child in the specified uniform. If you can't be bothered to find out what the uniform is then expect the consequences. What's so hard about that, not rocket science?
Seems straight forward to me. Send your child in the specified uniform. If you can't be bothered to find out what the uniform is then expect the consequences. What's so hard about that, not rocket science? AD1974

8:54pm Thu 6 Sep 12

schoolmum says...

If you read my comments properly you would understand my daughter went to school in new blazer,white shirt,free school tie and new school jumper,only her trousers were last years and not to the current uniform rules.As a year 11 she,as all year11s were told verbally there uniform would be flexible and they could mix and match last year and
the new uniform.This was confirmed by a memver of staff today so i repeat what i said before that they have gone back on there word meaning that now year 11s have only until 10th to buy the uniform.The rest of the school had all summer.Is that fair or flexible.
If you read my comments properly you would understand my daughter went to school in new blazer,white shirt,free school tie and new school jumper,only her trousers were last years and not to the current uniform rules.As a year 11 she,as all year11s were told verbally there uniform would be flexible and they could mix and match last year and the new uniform.This was confirmed by a memver of staff today so i repeat what i said before that they have gone back on there word meaning that now year 11s have only until 10th to buy the uniform.The rest of the school had all summer.Is that fair or flexible. schoolmum

9:03pm Thu 6 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

schoolmum wrote:
If you read my comments properly you would understand my daughter went to school in new blazer,white shirt,free school tie and new school jumper,only her trousers were last years and not to the current uniform rules.As a year 11 she,as all year11s were told verbally there uniform would be flexible and they could mix and match last year and
the new uniform.This was confirmed by a memver of staff today so i repeat what i said before that they have gone back on there word meaning that now year 11s have only until 10th to buy the uniform.The rest of the school had all summer.Is that fair or flexible.
Would it not be a nice gesture to buy her some new trousers and set an example that rules are rules despite when they come into force?

I always had a brand new uniform for every new term and my parents never had a penny to rub together!
[quote][p][bold]schoolmum[/bold] wrote: If you read my comments properly you would understand my daughter went to school in new blazer,white shirt,free school tie and new school jumper,only her trousers were last years and not to the current uniform rules.As a year 11 she,as all year11s were told verbally there uniform would be flexible and they could mix and match last year and the new uniform.This was confirmed by a memver of staff today so i repeat what i said before that they have gone back on there word meaning that now year 11s have only until 10th to buy the uniform.The rest of the school had all summer.Is that fair or flexible.[/p][/quote]Would it not be a nice gesture to buy her some new trousers and set an example that rules are rules despite when they come into force? I always had a brand new uniform for every new term and my parents never had a penny to rub together! IronLady2010

9:06pm Thu 6 Sep 12

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9:10pm Thu 6 Sep 12

sam1988 says...

This is typical of Krista Dawkins previously Krista Carter from woodland community school, when i was a pupil of woodlands she was the deputy head and she would wait at the school gates every morning checking uniforms, we were supposed to have had the most tiny logo's on our jumper and t-shirts yet these cost around £10 each. My mum could not afford to buy me and my little brother at least 2 of these each so we had plain t-shirts with the correct logo jumper, but she would wait at the school gates every morning for me and my brother check our t-shirts and send us straight back home, this went on for a good few weeks until she got the message my mum really could not afford them and my mother had to speak directly to the head teacher as it was ruining our education!! At the end of the day does having tight trousers stop you from learning???
This is typical of Krista Dawkins previously Krista Carter from woodland community school, when i was a pupil of woodlands she was the deputy head and she would wait at the school gates every morning checking uniforms, we were supposed to have had the most tiny logo's on our jumper and t-shirts yet these cost around £10 each. My mum could not afford to buy me and my little brother at least 2 of these each so we had plain t-shirts with the correct logo jumper, but she would wait at the school gates every morning for me and my brother check our t-shirts and send us straight back home, this went on for a good few weeks until she got the message my mum really could not afford them and my mother had to speak directly to the head teacher as it was ruining our education!! At the end of the day does having tight trousers stop you from learning??? sam1988

9:12pm Thu 6 Sep 12

George4th says...

Den666 wrote:
I think it was wrong to send the children home, why not inform the parent with a 'must have' correct uniform by... or they will not be allowed back in school..
I work and to have my daughter sent home out of the blue without being able to make arrangements for her care at such notice, when she should have been in school 'care' is wrong.
Also , how did these 'reminder' letters get sent about the uniform because I did not receive one( if it's through the children you cannot guarantee the parents will receive them)
I did not receive an email about it either and the school has my email address.
Why is the UK now full of people who won't take responsibility for anything! (Must be a trend started by the last Labour government!)
>
Letters were sent out in May and again in July, both clearly stating school policy. It was also announced in assembly! And you can bet your bottom dollar that it was discussed by the pupils themselves!
There is no excuse - end of. Take responsibility.
[quote][p][bold]Den666[/bold] wrote: I think it was wrong to send the children home, why not inform the parent with a 'must have' correct uniform by... or they will not be allowed back in school.. I work and to have my daughter sent home out of the blue without being able to make arrangements for her care at such notice, when she should have been in school 'care' is wrong. Also , how did these 'reminder' letters get sent about the uniform because I did not receive one( if it's through the children you cannot guarantee the parents will receive them) I did not receive an email about it either and the school has my email address.[/p][/quote]Why is the UK now full of people who won't take responsibility for anything! (Must be a trend started by the last Labour government!) > Letters were sent out in May and again in July, both clearly stating school policy. It was also announced in assembly! And you can bet your bottom dollar that it was discussed by the pupils themselves! There is no excuse - end of. Take responsibility. George4th

9:14pm Thu 6 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

sam1988 wrote:
This is typical of Krista Dawkins previously Krista Carter from woodland community school, when i was a pupil of woodlands she was the deputy head and she would wait at the school gates every morning checking uniforms, we were supposed to have had the most tiny logo's on our jumper and t-shirts yet these cost around £10 each. My mum could not afford to buy me and my little brother at least 2 of these each so we had plain t-shirts with the correct logo jumper, but she would wait at the school gates every morning for me and my brother check our t-shirts and send us straight back home, this went on for a good few weeks until she got the message my mum really could not afford them and my mother had to speak directly to the head teacher as it was ruining our education!! At the end of the day does having tight trousers stop you from learning???
A dress code does not stop you from learning, but it teaches you to respect rules and regulations which is rather lacking in society these days, don't you agree?
[quote][p][bold]sam1988[/bold] wrote: This is typical of Krista Dawkins previously Krista Carter from woodland community school, when i was a pupil of woodlands she was the deputy head and she would wait at the school gates every morning checking uniforms, we were supposed to have had the most tiny logo's on our jumper and t-shirts yet these cost around £10 each. My mum could not afford to buy me and my little brother at least 2 of these each so we had plain t-shirts with the correct logo jumper, but she would wait at the school gates every morning for me and my brother check our t-shirts and send us straight back home, this went on for a good few weeks until she got the message my mum really could not afford them and my mother had to speak directly to the head teacher as it was ruining our education!! At the end of the day does having tight trousers stop you from learning???[/p][/quote]A dress code does not stop you from learning, but it teaches you to respect rules and regulations which is rather lacking in society these days, don't you agree? IronLady2010

9:15pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Wehaveanopiniontoo! says...

I am a student at crestwood college and a few of my friends were sent home because of their uniform. I think it's unfair how not everyone that wore 'skinny trousers' got sent home, if they were going to send people home they should have sent everyone Breaking the rules home, it's unfair. I am not a fan of the new school uniform, I think it is too much and my friends who are wearing it have complained its too hot, and heavy. I irritated how mrs Dawkins is sending people wearing skinny trousers home and letting girls in my year wearing knee high socks and skirts way above the knee, they look terrible. Why are they not sent home? Instead she sends home people wearing trousers because they're too skinny. We didn't get a say in changing the school uniform and many of us didn't want it changed.
I am a student at crestwood college and a few of my friends were sent home because of their uniform. I think it's unfair how not everyone that wore 'skinny trousers' got sent home, if they were going to send people home they should have sent everyone Breaking the rules home, it's unfair. I am not a fan of the new school uniform, I think it is too much and my friends who are wearing it have complained its too hot, and heavy. I irritated how mrs Dawkins is sending people wearing skinny trousers home and letting girls in my year wearing knee high socks and skirts way above the knee, they look terrible. Why are they not sent home? Instead she sends home people wearing trousers because they're too skinny. We didn't get a say in changing the school uniform and many of us didn't want it changed. Wehaveanopiniontoo!

9:17pm Thu 6 Sep 12

solomum says...

schoolmum wrote:
We seem to be getting off the real issue.Comments please as to whether
the trousers in the photo are respectable school wear with the new blazer,shirt and tie .My daughter looked extremely smart and a member of the school staff said so too.Please comment
it will be interesting to here what other parents think.Incidently my eldest who is now in a senior job role wearing uniform went to Toynbee and wore these same stile trousers right the way
through.she was NEVER sent home because her trousers were provocative.
Are you referring to the photo of the school girl and her father, where the school girl is wearing too tight trousers and a casual polo shirt which is certainly not smart school uniform or are you referring to the photo that only shows the back of pupils trousers, again showing too tight trousers? Both these photos depict young girls in cheap looking fashion clothing rather than smart school uniform. Ok, the polo shirt is a school one, but designed to be worn as part of a full smart uniform rather than a feeble attempt at making casual clothing look smart. As another poster has said, even in Africa where poverty is rife, parents ensure their children are dressed incredibly smartly and are all wearing the same uniform, giving a sense of pride and of belonging. There again, in poverty stricken countries, the parents spend what little money they do have on feeding and clothing their children rather than on fancy technology that frazzles young minds. As for your previous question of do I have money to burn? Do you class spending money on life's essentials such as school uniform burning money then? Now if I smoked, drank alcohol or spent my income on having fun instead of providing my children with their school uniform then I would answer yes. I don't do any of these things. I hate the cost of school uniform as much as any other parent, but it is essential expenditure. When my children complain that they have not got the latest games console, mobile phone etc they are simply told that they have life's essentials and if there is spare money, it will be spent on family fun, eg going away for a weekend together. But that is not done at the detriment of school uniform. I trust that answers your question.
[quote][p][bold]schoolmum[/bold] wrote: We seem to be getting off the real issue.Comments please as to whether the trousers in the photo are respectable school wear with the new blazer,shirt and tie .My daughter looked extremely smart and a member of the school staff said so too.Please comment it will be interesting to here what other parents think.Incidently my eldest who is now in a senior job role wearing uniform went to Toynbee and wore these same stile trousers right the way through.she was NEVER sent home because her trousers were provocative.[/p][/quote]Are you referring to the photo of the school girl and her father, where the school girl is wearing too tight trousers and a casual polo shirt which is certainly not smart school uniform or are you referring to the photo that only shows the back of pupils trousers, again showing too tight trousers? Both these photos depict young girls in cheap looking fashion clothing rather than smart school uniform. Ok, the polo shirt is a school one, but designed to be worn as part of a full smart uniform rather than a feeble attempt at making casual clothing look smart. As another poster has said, even in Africa where poverty is rife, parents ensure their children are dressed incredibly smartly and are all wearing the same uniform, giving a sense of pride and of belonging. There again, in poverty stricken countries, the parents spend what little money they do have on feeding and clothing their children rather than on fancy technology that frazzles young minds. As for your previous question of do I have money to burn? Do you class spending money on life's essentials such as school uniform burning money then? Now if I smoked, drank alcohol or spent my income on having fun instead of providing my children with their school uniform then I would answer yes. I don't do any of these things. I hate the cost of school uniform as much as any other parent, but it is essential expenditure. When my children complain that they have not got the latest games console, mobile phone etc they are simply told that they have life's essentials and if there is spare money, it will be spent on family fun, eg going away for a weekend together. But that is not done at the detriment of school uniform. I trust that answers your question. solomum

9:18pm Thu 6 Sep 12

nickiclaire says...

Maybe Crestwood should be more concerned about continuity of care at the school rather than wearing the wrong trousers. A head that only spends a couple of days a week at the school and is trying to run two seems to be much more of an issue than this topic.
Maybe Crestwood should be more concerned about continuity of care at the school rather than wearing the wrong trousers. A head that only spends a couple of days a week at the school and is trying to run two seems to be much more of an issue than this topic. nickiclaire

9:19pm Thu 6 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

solomum wrote:
schoolmum wrote:
We seem to be getting off the real issue.Comments please as to whether
the trousers in the photo are respectable school wear with the new blazer,shirt and tie .My daughter looked extremely smart and a member of the school staff said so too.Please comment
it will be interesting to here what other parents think.Incidently my eldest who is now in a senior job role wearing uniform went to Toynbee and wore these same stile trousers right the way
through.she was NEVER sent home because her trousers were provocative.
Are you referring to the photo of the school girl and her father, where the school girl is wearing too tight trousers and a casual polo shirt which is certainly not smart school uniform or are you referring to the photo that only shows the back of pupils trousers, again showing too tight trousers? Both these photos depict young girls in cheap looking fashion clothing rather than smart school uniform. Ok, the polo shirt is a school one, but designed to be worn as part of a full smart uniform rather than a feeble attempt at making casual clothing look smart. As another poster has said, even in Africa where poverty is rife, parents ensure their children are dressed incredibly smartly and are all wearing the same uniform, giving a sense of pride and of belonging. There again, in poverty stricken countries, the parents spend what little money they do have on feeding and clothing their children rather than on fancy technology that frazzles young minds. As for your previous question of do I have money to burn? Do you class spending money on life's essentials such as school uniform burning money then? Now if I smoked, drank alcohol or spent my income on having fun instead of providing my children with their school uniform then I would answer yes. I don't do any of these things. I hate the cost of school uniform as much as any other parent, but it is essential expenditure. When my children complain that they have not got the latest games console, mobile phone etc they are simply told that they have life's essentials and if there is spare money, it will be spent on family fun, eg going away for a weekend together. But that is not done at the detriment of school uniform. I trust that answers your question.
You MOM, are a great example, if only all were like you! Well said. x
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schoolmum[/bold] wrote: We seem to be getting off the real issue.Comments please as to whether the trousers in the photo are respectable school wear with the new blazer,shirt and tie .My daughter looked extremely smart and a member of the school staff said so too.Please comment it will be interesting to here what other parents think.Incidently my eldest who is now in a senior job role wearing uniform went to Toynbee and wore these same stile trousers right the way through.she was NEVER sent home because her trousers were provocative.[/p][/quote]Are you referring to the photo of the school girl and her father, where the school girl is wearing too tight trousers and a casual polo shirt which is certainly not smart school uniform or are you referring to the photo that only shows the back of pupils trousers, again showing too tight trousers? Both these photos depict young girls in cheap looking fashion clothing rather than smart school uniform. Ok, the polo shirt is a school one, but designed to be worn as part of a full smart uniform rather than a feeble attempt at making casual clothing look smart. As another poster has said, even in Africa where poverty is rife, parents ensure their children are dressed incredibly smartly and are all wearing the same uniform, giving a sense of pride and of belonging. There again, in poverty stricken countries, the parents spend what little money they do have on feeding and clothing their children rather than on fancy technology that frazzles young minds. As for your previous question of do I have money to burn? Do you class spending money on life's essentials such as school uniform burning money then? Now if I smoked, drank alcohol or spent my income on having fun instead of providing my children with their school uniform then I would answer yes. I don't do any of these things. I hate the cost of school uniform as much as any other parent, but it is essential expenditure. When my children complain that they have not got the latest games console, mobile phone etc they are simply told that they have life's essentials and if there is spare money, it will be spent on family fun, eg going away for a weekend together. But that is not done at the detriment of school uniform. I trust that answers your question.[/p][/quote]You MOM, are a great example, if only all were like you! Well said. x IronLady2010

9:21pm Thu 6 Sep 12

wilson castaway says...

Black leggings, the cheaper ones are increibly see through.I see a girl every morning wearing cheap see through leggings and a short polo shirt as uniform and sadly it looks awful on her.I bought my son's uniform from sainsburys when they had 25% off and kitted him out for a tenner.My oldest son has school trousers from a charity shop, brand new unused still labelled marks and spencersPoosh!
Black leggings, the cheaper ones are increibly see through.I see a girl every morning wearing cheap see through leggings and a short polo shirt as uniform and sadly it looks awful on her.I bought my son's uniform from sainsburys when they had 25% off and kitted him out for a tenner.My oldest son has school trousers from a charity shop, brand new unused still labelled marks and spencersPoosh! wilson castaway

9:22pm Thu 6 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

nickiclaire wrote:
Maybe Crestwood should be more concerned about continuity of care at the school rather than wearing the wrong trousers. A head that only spends a couple of days a week at the school and is trying to run two seems to be much more of an issue than this topic.
Why? Is the head skipping education lessons?
[quote][p][bold]nickiclaire[/bold] wrote: Maybe Crestwood should be more concerned about continuity of care at the school rather than wearing the wrong trousers. A head that only spends a couple of days a week at the school and is trying to run two seems to be much more of an issue than this topic.[/p][/quote]Why? Is the head skipping education lessons? IronLady2010

9:36pm Thu 6 Sep 12

bobbyboy says...

I've read most of the above comments and yes Pupils should wear a Uniform and Staff should dress smartly if not in a uniform as well to set a standard.
Most of my life has been spent in one uniform or another and thats from the Top to the Bottom (I've been at all levels) with no gaps. I think the likes of ASDA, Tesco,Sainsburys, Skoolkit (if it still exists) are missing a vital business opportunity why dont they take there wears to the schools and for a couple of nights do a bit of trade that will alleviate the traipsing round the market places that i'm sure all have had to do in the pass including me all the stores need todo is take samples of wear an order is placed and then they go to the store of choice to collect it a simple solution to a on going situation So Mrs Krista Dawkins start the ball rolling and invite into your College one of the BIG FIVE so your misguided parents can see whats on offer if they go to the right places first. Thats a possitive solution to a negativity of 20+parents.Then if all other Schools followed the example every child will be in the correct uniform SIMPLES.
I've read most of the above comments and yes Pupils should wear a Uniform and Staff should dress smartly if not in a uniform as well to set a standard. Most of my life has been spent in one uniform or another and thats from the Top to the Bottom (I've been at all levels) with no gaps. I think the likes of ASDA, Tesco,Sainsburys, Skoolkit (if it still exists) are missing a vital business opportunity why dont they take there wears to the schools and for a couple of nights do a bit of trade that will alleviate the traipsing round the market places that i'm sure all have had to do in the pass including me all the stores need todo is take samples of wear an order is placed and then they go to the store of choice to collect it a simple solution to a on going situation So Mrs Krista Dawkins start the ball rolling and invite into your College one of the BIG FIVE so your misguided parents can see whats on offer if they go to the right places first. Thats a possitive solution to a negativity of 20+parents.Then if all other Schools followed the example every child will be in the correct uniform SIMPLES. bobbyboy

9:36pm Thu 6 Sep 12

insane saint says...

i am a school governor at a senior school and we have introduced a new uniform. we are getting much of the same as stated above. when we have changed the uniform before the behavior and grades of the school have been increased, of which the parents and children have been grateful for as the students have gone on to get good jobs and a great future.
i am a school governor at a senior school and we have introduced a new uniform. we are getting much of the same as stated above. when we have changed the uniform before the behavior and grades of the school have been increased, of which the parents and children have been grateful for as the students have gone on to get good jobs and a great future. insane saint

9:43pm Thu 6 Sep 12

truelysaints says...

Well done, no ifs or buts. Discipline begins with the small things. A pride in appearance enhances ones self worth and confidence
Well done, no ifs or buts. Discipline begins with the small things. A pride in appearance enhances ones self worth and confidence truelysaints

10:01pm Thu 6 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

truelysaints wrote:
Well done, no ifs or buts. Discipline begins with the small things. A pride in appearance enhances ones self worth and confidence
Such a small statement and yet so true!!!!
[quote][p][bold]truelysaints[/bold] wrote: Well done, no ifs or buts. Discipline begins with the small things. A pride in appearance enhances ones self worth and confidence[/p][/quote]Such a small statement and yet so true!!!! IronLady2010

10:08pm Thu 6 Sep 12

pam1970 says...

i have a 14 yr old boy goes to cantell and hes gone back to school this week wearing black trainers with a grey stripe and cos ive refused to buy him another pair they are saying they will kick him out this situation is mad hes not the only child with no just black trainers so now i am having to buy a new pair and bein a single parent i think is disgusting as long as they clean and tidy wat is the problem???
i have a 14 yr old boy goes to cantell and hes gone back to school this week wearing black trainers with a grey stripe and cos ive refused to buy him another pair they are saying they will kick him out this situation is mad hes not the only child with no just black trainers so now i am having to buy a new pair and bein a single parent i think is disgusting as long as they clean and tidy wat is the problem??? pam1970

10:22pm Thu 6 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

pam1970 wrote:
i have a 14 yr old boy goes to cantell and hes gone back to school this week wearing black trainers with a grey stripe and cos ive refused to buy him another pair they are saying they will kick him out this situation is mad hes not the only child with no just black trainers so now i am having to buy a new pair and bein a single parent i think is disgusting as long as they clean and tidy wat is the problem???
Did you read the uniform rules or just go along with what your son wanted?

YOU are the parent YOU are responsible for ensuring he has the correct uniform.

Single parent or not, you need to educate your children that they have to abide by rules and not make up their own rules. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile!
[quote][p][bold]pam1970[/bold] wrote: i have a 14 yr old boy goes to cantell and hes gone back to school this week wearing black trainers with a grey stripe and cos ive refused to buy him another pair they are saying they will kick him out this situation is mad hes not the only child with no just black trainers so now i am having to buy a new pair and bein a single parent i think is disgusting as long as they clean and tidy wat is the problem???[/p][/quote]Did you read the uniform rules or just go along with what your son wanted? YOU are the parent YOU are responsible for ensuring he has the correct uniform. Single parent or not, you need to educate your children that they have to abide by rules and not make up their own rules. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile! IronLady2010

10:32pm Thu 6 Sep 12

pam1970 says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
pam1970 wrote:
i have a 14 yr old boy goes to cantell and hes gone back to school this week wearing black trainers with a grey stripe and cos ive refused to buy him another pair they are saying they will kick him out this situation is mad hes not the only child with no just black trainers so now i am having to buy a new pair and bein a single parent i think is disgusting as long as they clean and tidy wat is the problem???
Did you read the uniform rules or just go along with what your son wanted?

YOU are the parent YOU are responsible for ensuring he has the correct uniform.

Single parent or not, you need to educate your children that they have to abide by rules and not make up their own rules. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile!
the uniform is black trainers very hard to get and thank u my kids no rite from wrong and it was my decision thank you
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pam1970[/bold] wrote: i have a 14 yr old boy goes to cantell and hes gone back to school this week wearing black trainers with a grey stripe and cos ive refused to buy him another pair they are saying they will kick him out this situation is mad hes not the only child with no just black trainers so now i am having to buy a new pair and bein a single parent i think is disgusting as long as they clean and tidy wat is the problem???[/p][/quote]Did you read the uniform rules or just go along with what your son wanted? YOU are the parent YOU are responsible for ensuring he has the correct uniform. Single parent or not, you need to educate your children that they have to abide by rules and not make up their own rules. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile![/p][/quote]the uniform is black trainers very hard to get and thank u my kids no rite from wrong and it was my decision thank you pam1970

10:37pm Thu 6 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

pam1970 wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
pam1970 wrote:
i have a 14 yr old boy goes to cantell and hes gone back to school this week wearing black trainers with a grey stripe and cos ive refused to buy him another pair they are saying they will kick him out this situation is mad hes not the only child with no just black trainers so now i am having to buy a new pair and bein a single parent i think is disgusting as long as they clean and tidy wat is the problem???
Did you read the uniform rules or just go along with what your son wanted?

YOU are the parent YOU are responsible for ensuring he has the correct uniform.

Single parent or not, you need to educate your children that they have to abide by rules and not make up their own rules. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile!
the uniform is black trainers very hard to get and thank u my kids no rite from wrong and it was my decision thank you
Let's hope they can spell better!
[quote][p][bold]pam1970[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pam1970[/bold] wrote: i have a 14 yr old boy goes to cantell and hes gone back to school this week wearing black trainers with a grey stripe and cos ive refused to buy him another pair they are saying they will kick him out this situation is mad hes not the only child with no just black trainers so now i am having to buy a new pair and bein a single parent i think is disgusting as long as they clean and tidy wat is the problem???[/p][/quote]Did you read the uniform rules or just go along with what your son wanted? YOU are the parent YOU are responsible for ensuring he has the correct uniform. Single parent or not, you need to educate your children that they have to abide by rules and not make up their own rules. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile![/p][/quote]the uniform is black trainers very hard to get and thank u my kids no rite from wrong and it was my decision thank you[/p][/quote]Let's hope they can spell better! IronLady2010

10:38pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Mr Price says...

Hamble Community Sports College have taken this a step to far......They have already sent 25 pupils (girls) home as they have the wrong trousers..Hamble state the trousers must be black... NOT Cotton, NOT Combat, NOT Flares, NOT Skinny Cut,NOT Boot Cut...well we are really struggling to buy any that are NOT in the NOT list !!!!!
Hamble Community Sports College have taken this a step to far......They have already sent 25 pupils (girls) home as they have the wrong trousers..Hamble state the trousers must be black... NOT Cotton, NOT Combat, NOT Flares, NOT Skinny Cut,NOT Boot Cut...well we are really struggling to buy any that are NOT in the NOT list !!!!! Mr Price

10:40pm Thu 6 Sep 12

George4th says...

Wehaveanopiniontoo! wrote:
I am a student at crestwood college and a few of my friends were sent home because of their uniform. I think it's unfair how not everyone that wore 'skinny trousers' got sent home, if they were going to send people home they should have sent everyone Breaking the rules home, it's unfair. I am not a fan of the new school uniform, I think it is too much and my friends who are wearing it have complained its too hot, and heavy. I irritated how mrs Dawkins is sending people wearing skinny trousers home and letting girls in my year wearing knee high socks and skirts way above the knee, they look terrible. Why are they not sent home? Instead she sends home people wearing trousers because they're too skinny. We didn't get a say in changing the school uniform and many of us didn't want it changed.
You are a child and you are being guided by adults. If you do as you are told at home then the same rule applies at school - if you don't do as you are told at home then you have a problem!
>
Every school generation thinks they are the first rebels who ever existed!
Read the comment by "solomum says...
4:28pm Thu 6 Sep 12" She hit the nail on the head.
[quote][p][bold]Wehaveanopiniontoo![/bold] wrote: I am a student at crestwood college and a few of my friends were sent home because of their uniform. I think it's unfair how not everyone that wore 'skinny trousers' got sent home, if they were going to send people home they should have sent everyone Breaking the rules home, it's unfair. I am not a fan of the new school uniform, I think it is too much and my friends who are wearing it have complained its too hot, and heavy. I irritated how mrs Dawkins is sending people wearing skinny trousers home and letting girls in my year wearing knee high socks and skirts way above the knee, they look terrible. Why are they not sent home? Instead she sends home people wearing trousers because they're too skinny. We didn't get a say in changing the school uniform and many of us didn't want it changed.[/p][/quote]You are a child and you are being guided by adults. If you do as you are told at home then the same rule applies at school - if you don't do as you are told at home then you have a problem! > Every school generation thinks they are the first rebels who ever existed! Read the comment by "solomum says... 4:28pm Thu 6 Sep 12" She hit the nail on the head. George4th

10:47pm Thu 6 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

Mr Price wrote:
Hamble Community Sports College have taken this a step to far......They have already sent 25 pupils (girls) home as they have the wrong trousers..Hamble state the trousers must be black... NOT Cotton, NOT Combat, NOT Flares, NOT Skinny Cut,NOT Boot Cut...well we are really struggling to buy any that are NOT in the NOT list !!!!!
So just buy normal trousers,

If you went for a job promotion interview, would you wear a Mankini?
[quote][p][bold]Mr Price[/bold] wrote: Hamble Community Sports College have taken this a step to far......They have already sent 25 pupils (girls) home as they have the wrong trousers..Hamble state the trousers must be black... NOT Cotton, NOT Combat, NOT Flares, NOT Skinny Cut,NOT Boot Cut...well we are really struggling to buy any that are NOT in the NOT list !!!!![/p][/quote]So just buy normal trousers, If you went for a job promotion interview, would you wear a Mankini? IronLady2010

10:51pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Mr Price says...

Iron Lady whats normal Trousers if not made from cotton.
Iron Lady whats normal Trousers if not made from cotton. Mr Price

10:53pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Mr Price says...

And I dont even know what a Mankini is
And I dont even know what a Mankini is Mr Price

10:54pm Thu 6 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

Mr Price wrote:
Hamble Community Sports College have taken this a step to far......They have already sent 25 pupils (girls) home as they have the wrong trousers..Hamble state the trousers must be black... NOT Cotton, NOT Combat, NOT Flares, NOT Skinny Cut,NOT Boot Cut...well we are really struggling to buy any that are NOT in the NOT list !!!!!
Let's be honest...... Your daughter has told you 'I'm not wearing that, all my mates have this' etc and you have just said yes I agree. No thought for school rules whatsoever
[quote][p][bold]Mr Price[/bold] wrote: Hamble Community Sports College have taken this a step to far......They have already sent 25 pupils (girls) home as they have the wrong trousers..Hamble state the trousers must be black... NOT Cotton, NOT Combat, NOT Flares, NOT Skinny Cut,NOT Boot Cut...well we are really struggling to buy any that are NOT in the NOT list !!!!![/p][/quote]Let's be honest...... Your daughter has told you 'I'm not wearing that, all my mates have this' etc and you have just said yes I agree. No thought for school rules whatsoever IronLady2010

10:55pm Thu 6 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

Mr Price wrote:
Iron Lady whats normal Trousers if not made from cotton.
Chinos are made from cotton? Trousers are a Poly/Cotton mix?
[quote][p][bold]Mr Price[/bold] wrote: Iron Lady whats normal Trousers if not made from cotton.[/p][/quote]Chinos are made from cotton? Trousers are a Poly/Cotton mix? IronLady2010

10:57pm Thu 6 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Mr Price wrote:
Iron Lady whats normal Trousers if not made from cotton.
Chinos are made from cotton? Trousers are a Poly/Cotton mix?
If in doubt ask the school, don't ask your children, they will tell you what they want, not what the school expect.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Price[/bold] wrote: Iron Lady whats normal Trousers if not made from cotton.[/p][/quote]Chinos are made from cotton? Trousers are a Poly/Cotton mix?[/p][/quote]If in doubt ask the school, don't ask your children, they will tell you what they want, not what the school expect. IronLady2010

10:59pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Mr Price says...

Iron Lady Don't you be so rude and assuming about my daughter....Your comments are more a concern as you have a total lack of respect for other people. Mind you its easy to be such a **** when you can hide on here
Iron Lady Don't you be so rude and assuming about my daughter....Your comments are more a concern as you have a total lack of respect for other people. Mind you its easy to be such a **** when you can hide on here Mr Price

11:04pm Thu 6 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

Mr Price wrote:
Iron Lady Don't you be so rude and assuming about my daughter....Your comments are more a concern as you have a total lack of respect for other people. Mind you its easy to be such a **** when you can hide on here
How have I been rude? I was a child once and tried exactly the same tricks, but back in my day we didn't get away with it so easily. I was at school during the caning period from the headmaster, also teachers gave the ruler over the knuckles. Taught us not to be so cheeky and try and abuse rules ;-)

I am assuming nothing about your daughter, just assuming in general what kids are like.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Price[/bold] wrote: Iron Lady Don't you be so rude and assuming about my daughter....Your comments are more a concern as you have a total lack of respect for other people. Mind you its easy to be such a **** when you can hide on here[/p][/quote]How have I been rude? I was a child once and tried exactly the same tricks, but back in my day we didn't get away with it so easily. I was at school during the caning period from the headmaster, also teachers gave the ruler over the knuckles. Taught us not to be so cheeky and try and abuse rules ;-) I am assuming nothing about your daughter, just assuming in general what kids are like. IronLady2010

11:21pm Thu 6 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

Georgem wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
DBTM wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
DBTM wrote:
"Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems"

My son goes to a good school in Hampshire that doesn't have any problems. Perhaps it is because they enfore the unifrom rules?

"Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?"

20 pupils sent home and the rest of them kept on. That would suggest to me that: yes, the rules are clear enough
"Enfore the unifrom rules". What is that exactly ? Bet your son doesn't ask for help with his homework !

The question was why do ALL the good schools....etc, and you quote ONE as an example.

I repeat : Have you read the Crestwood prospectus ?

If you are just going to go on what you read in the Echo, and what things "suggest" to you, we're not going to get anywhere, are we ?
Blimey! I hope you were more patient with your pupils whilst teaching them, especially if they were dyslexic.
I am using what I read in the Daily Echo because that is what we are commenting on. Is it not what you are basing your assumptions upon?
I don't need to read the prospectus, the parents do. If some of them did not understand it, all they had to do was seek clarification. If they had any interest, that is!
I was taking my son's school as an example. I didn't think it was that difficult to understand.
And, lastly: I am not an expert in diplomacy, but making patronising, obtuse and demeaning comments surely doesn't come into it.
I am glad you've retired from teaching, sir, because I would hate the idea of my children being taught by someone as arrogant and suffering from a superiority complex as you seem to be.
Wishing you a good day.
What a load of rubbish ! You are just upset because I countered your arrogant, pompous reply.

I'm so glad I'm retired, too ! I can be as arrogant, patronising, obtuse, demeaning, and superior as I like, and dress like a tramp, without having to apologise to anyone !

The truth is, I am very selective. I won't be rude to just anybody. People have to earn my disrespect and rudeness. Saying something daft with no evidence to support it usually does it.

Sending pupils home en masse is confrontational. The proper way to deal with this sort of situation is to call all the pupils in non-uniform clothes into the hall, and sit them down calmly. Tell them, yet again, why you have a uniform policy (school identity, equallity, etc.) "I want you to look smart, as it reflects our achievements. I want you to feel proud when people compliment us. You know that all the good schools wear uniforms, and I'm sure you would not want us to look shabby next to them. You've had many months notification of our policy, so you know I'm going to insist on the uniform rule. But you will have a choice. Each day you turn up in non-regulation clothes, you will forfeit a priviledge. This must happen, as I do not wish to discriminate against the pupils who do respect our policy."

Surely that is a better approach ?
Ignore this confirmed, self-confessed troll.
Born again, unlike you, Georgem, who is still in denial ! Your grubby little trollisms are all over the forum this week.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DBTM[/bold] wrote: "Look at the good schools in Southampton and Hampshire and ask yourselves this : why are they NOT having problems" My son goes to a good school in Hampshire that doesn't have any problems. Perhaps it is because they enfore the unifrom rules? "Has anyone seen the school prospectus ? Are the rules for uniform as clear as this Dawkins woman maintains ?" 20 pupils sent home and the rest of them kept on. That would suggest to me that: yes, the rules are clear enough[/p][/quote]"Enfore the unifrom rules". What is that exactly ? Bet your son doesn't ask for help with his homework ! The question was why do ALL the good schools....etc, and you quote ONE as an example. I repeat : Have you read the Crestwood prospectus ? If you are just going to go on what you read in the Echo, and what things "suggest" to you, we're not going to get anywhere, are we ?[/p][/quote]Blimey! I hope you were more patient with your pupils whilst teaching them, especially if they were dyslexic. I am using what I read in the Daily Echo because that is what we are commenting on. Is it not what you are basing your assumptions upon? I don't need to read the prospectus, the parents do. If some of them did not understand it, all they had to do was seek clarification. If they had any interest, that is! I was taking my son's school as an example. I didn't think it was that difficult to understand. And, lastly: I am not an expert in diplomacy, but making patronising, obtuse and demeaning comments surely doesn't come into it. I am glad you've retired from teaching, sir, because I would hate the idea of my children being taught by someone as arrogant and suffering from a superiority complex as you seem to be. Wishing you a good day.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish ! You are just upset because I countered your arrogant, pompous reply. I'm so glad I'm retired, too ! I can be as arrogant, patronising, obtuse, demeaning, and superior as I like, and dress like a tramp, without having to apologise to anyone ! The truth is, I am very selective. I won't be rude to just anybody. People have to earn my disrespect and rudeness. Saying something daft with no evidence to support it usually does it. Sending pupils home en masse is confrontational. The proper way to deal with this sort of situation is to call all the pupils in non-uniform clothes into the hall, and sit them down calmly. Tell them, yet again, why you have a uniform policy (school identity, equallity, etc.) "I want you to look smart, as it reflects our achievements. I want you to feel proud when people compliment us. You know that all the good schools wear uniforms, and I'm sure you would not want us to look shabby next to them. You've had many months notification of our policy, so you know I'm going to insist on the uniform rule. But you will have a choice. Each day you turn up in non-regulation clothes, you will forfeit a priviledge. This must happen, as I do not wish to discriminate against the pupils who do respect our policy." Surely that is a better approach ?[/p][/quote]Ignore this confirmed, self-confessed troll.[/p][/quote]Born again, unlike you, Georgem, who is still in denial ! Your grubby little trollisms are all over the forum this week. BillyTheKid

11:24pm Thu 6 Sep 12

adtotton says...

Fair play to the woman! I agree with her sending kids home for wearing the wrong uniform. As for those people that have said they didnt receive any letters from the school...maybe the kid saw the letter and hid it. I did when i was at school! Having a letter home from the school is never good, from the kids point of view. As it has been said parents can kit their kids out with quality uniform from several supermarkets including ASDA, Tesco and Sainsbury's. Having a strict uniform policy helps the students when they leave school and get a job. I saw my cousin (who left school this year) in a job interview a month ago wearing a see through top and black skinny jeans! That is NOT what you should wear to an interview. School shouldnt be a fashion show.
Fair play to the woman! I agree with her sending kids home for wearing the wrong uniform. As for those people that have said they didnt receive any letters from the school...maybe the kid saw the letter and hid it. I did when i was at school! Having a letter home from the school is never good, from the kids point of view. As it has been said parents can kit their kids out with quality uniform from several supermarkets including ASDA, Tesco and Sainsbury's. Having a strict uniform policy helps the students when they leave school and get a job. I saw my cousin (who left school this year) in a job interview a month ago wearing a see through top and black skinny jeans! That is NOT what you should wear to an interview. School shouldnt be a fashion show. adtotton

11:26pm Thu 6 Sep 12

adtotton says...

Fair play to the woman! Totally agree.
Fair play to the woman! Totally agree. adtotton

11:37pm Thu 6 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Shoong wrote:
Irate Wintonian wrote:
Appreciate that the colour should be correct for the uniform, but to specify the cut of the trousers to that degree is a step too far.
No, it's not.

Fashion concious teenagers will even make a fashion statement out of the cut of the trousers.If you haven't got the 'in' cut, you could be the subject of ridicule.

The point of school uniforms is that every pupil wears the same.
I am guessing that is why it is called uniform? When I was at school in the sixties the full uniform was only worn on special occasions, but a general rule of tidiness prevailed. It made no difference to my actual education, I am still a complete plank!
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Irate Wintonian[/bold] wrote: Appreciate that the colour should be correct for the uniform, but to specify the cut of the trousers to that degree is a step too far.[/p][/quote]No, it's not. Fashion concious teenagers will even make a fashion statement out of the cut of the trousers.If you haven't got the 'in' cut, you could be the subject of ridicule. The point of school uniforms is that every pupil wears the same.[/p][/quote]I am guessing that is why it is called uniform? When I was at school in the sixties the full uniform was only worn on special occasions, but a general rule of tidiness prevailed. It made no difference to my actual education, I am still a complete plank! OSPREYSAINT

11:53pm Thu 6 Sep 12

jcwwork says...

Smart uniform does not necessarily mean smart or well behaved pupils. The pupils at Crestwood have always been well behaved and happy in the old uniform. The parents had no say in the matter, it was decided by the school and then we where all told it was happening.
Smart uniform does not necessarily mean smart or well behaved pupils. The pupils at Crestwood have always been well behaved and happy in the old uniform. The parents had no say in the matter, it was decided by the school and then we where all told it was happening. jcwwork

12:02am Fri 7 Sep 12

Scrutinizer says...

IronLady2010 says...

"You MOM, are a great example, if only all were like you! Well said. x"

Only, if "all" were actually like "you", using the American "MOM" instead of "mum", no one would need to worry too much about school uniforms anymore, anyway. Why? Because, hey, guess what? We'd all be Americans! ;-)

Oh come on, for god's sakes take this seriously, will you?! ;-)
IronLady2010 says... "You MOM, are a great example, if only all were like you! Well said. x" Only, if "all" were actually like "you", using the American "MOM" instead of "mum", no one would need to worry too much about school uniforms anymore, anyway. Why? Because, hey, guess what? We'd all be Americans! ;-) Oh come on, for god's sakes take this seriously, will you?! ;-) Scrutinizer

12:05am Fri 7 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

Scrutinizer wrote:
IronLady2010 says...

"You MOM, are a great example, if only all were like you! Well said. x"

Only, if "all" were actually like "you", using the American "MOM" instead of "mum", no one would need to worry too much about school uniforms anymore, anyway. Why? Because, hey, guess what? We'd all be Americans! ;-)

Oh come on, for god's sakes take this seriously, will you?! ;-)
I say MOM, not mum. Just the way I am I guess.
[quote][p][bold]Scrutinizer[/bold] wrote: IronLady2010 says... "You MOM, are a great example, if only all were like you! Well said. x" Only, if "all" were actually like "you", using the American "MOM" instead of "mum", no one would need to worry too much about school uniforms anymore, anyway. Why? Because, hey, guess what? We'd all be Americans! ;-) Oh come on, for god's sakes take this seriously, will you?! ;-)[/p][/quote]I say MOM, not mum. Just the way I am I guess. IronLady2010

12:10am Fri 7 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

In the 1930's lots of kids went to school in smart black shirts with a funny spidery logo on them, they were very disciplined. Ah! Godwins law what would we do without you.
In the 1930's lots of kids went to school in smart black shirts with a funny spidery logo on them, they were very disciplined. Ah! Godwins law what would we do without you. OSPREYSAINT

12:27am Fri 7 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
In the 1930's lots of kids went to school in smart black shirts with a funny spidery logo on them, they were very disciplined. Ah! Godwins law what would we do without you.
I never thought you were that old ;-)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: In the 1930's lots of kids went to school in smart black shirts with a funny spidery logo on them, they were very disciplined. Ah! Godwins law what would we do without you.[/p][/quote]I never thought you were that old ;-) IronLady2010

6:21am Fri 7 Sep 12

batesieboy says...

chapellady wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
"The school had changed its uniform for the start of term", meaning that the parents had to replace the old ones? How much did that cost each parent? “The school has a hardship fund and have helped lots of families to buy uniform". How many people are humiliated at having to grovel for funds to but their kids their Uniform? I agree the pupils should take pride in their appearance but limitting the choice is a bit OTT, perhaps the School has shares in Uniform Manufactures or the shops that exclusively sell them?
The old school uniform could only be obtained from Skoolkit. Sweatshirts cost aprrox £14 each and polo shirts £12. I had to buy at least 2 of each. Now the blazer cost £20 and shirts can be bought from any supermarket or Matalan for £7 for a pack of 2. This is much cheaper, much smarter and much improved! Uniform is always mentioned in weekly assemblies and girls know which trousers are acceptable as they are always being told. They knew that the uniform policy was going to be strictly monitored and had been given more than enough notice of this. Perhaps the Echo should have focused on the fact that parents were not prepared to show their kids that there are rules that they might not like but have to adhere to rather than making the school out to be the one at fault! Not really a front page issue or indeed a story that needs to be printed at all.
The number of varied replies proves you wrong. It is indeed an issue.Ranging from whether a school uniform policy should be (and educational research suggests it is one of the biggest drivers up of educational standards and this approach is better than people's "opinions") to what should happen if parents/students want to challenge a uniform policy.
[quote][p][bold]chapellady[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: "The school had changed its uniform for the start of term", meaning that the parents had to replace the old ones? How much did that cost each parent? “The school has a hardship fund and have helped lots of families to buy uniform". How many people are humiliated at having to grovel for funds to but their kids their Uniform? I agree the pupils should take pride in their appearance but limitting the choice is a bit OTT, perhaps the School has shares in Uniform Manufactures or the shops that exclusively sell them?[/p][/quote]The old school uniform could only be obtained from Skoolkit. Sweatshirts cost aprrox £14 each and polo shirts £12. I had to buy at least 2 of each. Now the blazer cost £20 and shirts can be bought from any supermarket or Matalan for £7 for a pack of 2. This is much cheaper, much smarter and much improved! Uniform is always mentioned in weekly assemblies and girls know which trousers are acceptable as they are always being told. They knew that the uniform policy was going to be strictly monitored and had been given more than enough notice of this. Perhaps the Echo should have focused on the fact that parents were not prepared to show their kids that there are rules that they might not like but have to adhere to rather than making the school out to be the one at fault! Not really a front page issue or indeed a story that needs to be printed at all.[/p][/quote]The number of varied replies proves you wrong. It is indeed an issue.Ranging from whether a school uniform policy should be (and educational research suggests it is one of the biggest drivers up of educational standards and this approach is better than people's "opinions") to what should happen if parents/students want to challenge a uniform policy. batesieboy

6:34am Fri 7 Sep 12

batesieboy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
truelysaints wrote:
Well done, no ifs or buts. Discipline begins with the small things. A pride in appearance enhances ones self worth and confidence
Such a small statement and yet so true!!!!
Very true. Also, a child in distress can be identified and helped more easily. Also, students won't misbehave in public so readily if they are more easily recognisable. Of course, a school should have a clear, fair, enforceable uniform policy, preferably formulated by a committee of teachers, students and their parents. It's a Community thing, guys.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]truelysaints[/bold] wrote: Well done, no ifs or buts. Discipline begins with the small things. A pride in appearance enhances ones self worth and confidence[/p][/quote]Such a small statement and yet so true!!!![/p][/quote]Very true. Also, a child in distress can be identified and helped more easily. Also, students won't misbehave in public so readily if they are more easily recognisable. Of course, a school should have a clear, fair, enforceable uniform policy, preferably formulated by a committee of teachers, students and their parents. It's a Community thing, guys. batesieboy

7:10am Fri 7 Sep 12

countrywench says...

I work in one of the shops alongside Crestwood .. At home time , when all the kids come out and go home i have noticed a HUGE difference in their behavior since the new headmistress took over :)
Teachers now patrol the shopping parade , shoplifting is declining , the swearing and loud screams are no longer heard and pupils are made to walk their bikes through the parade instead of speeding them through and nearly knocking people down .
The new uniform is very smart and yes they all look the same , but i think that is a very good thing .
Crestwood used to have a bad reputation a few years back , unruly kids, smoking outside the gates , extremely bad language used when going home etc . This new headmistress is doing a fantastic job at gaining control and improving a school that was in dire trouble . Ive heard her stop a pupil in his tracks for shouting a n abusive comment at another pupil , the look on that kids face was a picture when he realised he was heard was a picture !
If parents cannot control their kids at home , at least these kids are obeying rules at school :)
I work in one of the shops alongside Crestwood .. At home time , when all the kids come out and go home i have noticed a HUGE difference in their behavior since the new headmistress took over :) Teachers now patrol the shopping parade , shoplifting is declining , the swearing and loud screams are no longer heard and pupils are made to walk their bikes through the parade instead of speeding them through and nearly knocking people down . The new uniform is very smart and yes they all look the same , but i think that is a very good thing . Crestwood used to have a bad reputation a few years back , unruly kids, smoking outside the gates , extremely bad language used when going home etc . This new headmistress is doing a fantastic job at gaining control and improving a school that was in dire trouble . Ive heard her stop a pupil in his tracks for shouting a n abusive comment at another pupil , the look on that kids face was a picture when he realised he was heard was a picture ! If parents cannot control their kids at home , at least these kids are obeying rules at school :) countrywench

8:30am Fri 7 Sep 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

This is nothing new, my daughter (and son before her) is at USH and they are sent home if they are wearing 'skinny' trousers, skirts that are too short or skirts with no pleats.

I do feel for people that have made a genuine mistake but most know jolly well what the Code is, most schools make this crystal clear. I have just spent £380 though on new uniforms, shoes, trainers for my 3 kids - it is a huge expense for many parents and the council/schools should do more to help cash strapped families, especially those who may be working but are on low incomes.
This is nothing new, my daughter (and son before her) is at USH and they are sent home if they are wearing 'skinny' trousers, skirts that are too short or skirts with no pleats. I do feel for people that have made a genuine mistake but most know jolly well what the Code is, most schools make this crystal clear. I have just spent £380 though on new uniforms, shoes, trainers for my 3 kids - it is a huge expense for many parents and the council/schools should do more to help cash strapped families, especially those who may be working but are on low incomes. freemantlegirl2

9:28am Fri 7 Sep 12

Scrutinizer says...

countrywench says...
7:10am Fri 7 Sep 12

" I work in one of the shops alongside Crestwood .. At home time , when all the kids come out and go home i have noticed a HUGE difference in their behavior since the new headmistress took over :)
Teachers now patrol the shopping parade , shoplifting is declining , the swearing and loud screams are no longer heard and pupils are made to walk their bikes through the parade instead of speeding them through and nearly knocking people down .
The new uniform is very smart and yes they all look the same , but i think that is a very good thing .
Crestwood used to have a bad reputation a few years back , unruly kids, smoking outside the gates , extremely bad language used when going home etc . This new headmistress is doing a fantastic job at gaining control and improving a school that was in dire trouble . Ive heard her stop a pupil in his tracks for shouting a n abusive comment at another pupil , the look on that kids face was a picture when he realised he was heard was a picture !
If parents cannot control their kids at home , at least these kids are obeying rules at school :)"

Well, that all sounds very positive then. Personally, concerning young people's hooligan-like behaviour; I'd like to see a little more zero-tolerance around. Only last evening I was lucky to escape from a potentially very nasty incident involving two totally out of control 15 year old boys throwing their weight around in Totton, and in my direction! Fortunately, a local police officer was called and he sorted it out - well, for now, anyway. As has been said many times before on this website, self-discipline and respect for others is what it's all about. A significant amount of young people just don't even know what those words mean. Mind you, it would help if they could be bothered to consult a dictionary...
countrywench says... 7:10am Fri 7 Sep 12 " I work in one of the shops alongside Crestwood .. At home time , when all the kids come out and go home i have noticed a HUGE difference in their behavior since the new headmistress took over :) Teachers now patrol the shopping parade , shoplifting is declining , the swearing and loud screams are no longer heard and pupils are made to walk their bikes through the parade instead of speeding them through and nearly knocking people down . The new uniform is very smart and yes they all look the same , but i think that is a very good thing . Crestwood used to have a bad reputation a few years back , unruly kids, smoking outside the gates , extremely bad language used when going home etc . This new headmistress is doing a fantastic job at gaining control and improving a school that was in dire trouble . Ive heard her stop a pupil in his tracks for shouting a n abusive comment at another pupil , the look on that kids face was a picture when he realised he was heard was a picture ! If parents cannot control their kids at home , at least these kids are obeying rules at school :)" Well, that all sounds very positive then. Personally, concerning young people's hooligan-like behaviour; I'd like to see a little more zero-tolerance around. Only last evening I was lucky to escape from a potentially very nasty incident involving two totally out of control 15 year old boys throwing their weight around in Totton, and in my direction! Fortunately, a local police officer was called and he sorted it out - well, for now, anyway. As has been said many times before on this website, self-discipline and respect for others is what it's all about. A significant amount of young people just don't even know what those words mean. Mind you, it would help if they could be bothered to consult a dictionary... Scrutinizer

9:47am Fri 7 Sep 12

solomum says...

This article has proven how different parents views are of what is acceptable uniform. I personally think that the way forward is for all schools to have an onsite uniform shop which is the dedicated outlet for buying the uniform for that particular school. That way all the pupils will be wearing the expected attire and the cost of the uniform will be the same for all parents. The only additional outlay would be for shoes. This will of course prevent the supermarkets from having a huge share in the uniform market and no doubt the cost will be more, but at the end of the day, uniform is essential expenditure and needs to be treated as such. There also needs to be financial help available for those who are on low incomes, in the form of vouchers. No doubt there will be parents who will say that due to work commitments etc, it is not convenient for them to get to the school to purchase the uniform, but as the pupils are there anyway, they could get themselves fitted for the uniform and an invoice sent home to the parents with the clothes collected on receipt of payment. My 12 yr old took himself to skoolkit to purchase his school uniform. I simply transferred the necessary cost into his bank account so that he could withdraw it from the bank and go straight to the shop to purchase the required items. That gave him a sense of ownership over his uniform, rather than me handing it to him and him then moaning that it doesn't fit, feels uncomfortable etc. Yep, my kids kick off just as much as all the others, but this approach works for them. Give them a sense of responsibility and they will normally rise to the challenge and wear their uniform with pride. Perhaps the LEA and Skoolkit could work together to have the outlets based in the schools. An added bonus for skoolkit would be no extortionate rents on retail units, which could then leave room for a reduction in the cost of the clothing.
This article has proven how different parents views are of what is acceptable uniform. I personally think that the way forward is for all schools to have an onsite uniform shop which is the dedicated outlet for buying the uniform for that particular school. That way all the pupils will be wearing the expected attire and the cost of the uniform will be the same for all parents. The only additional outlay would be for shoes. This will of course prevent the supermarkets from having a huge share in the uniform market and no doubt the cost will be more, but at the end of the day, uniform is essential expenditure and needs to be treated as such. There also needs to be financial help available for those who are on low incomes, in the form of vouchers. No doubt there will be parents who will say that due to work commitments etc, it is not convenient for them to get to the school to purchase the uniform, but as the pupils are there anyway, they could get themselves fitted for the uniform and an invoice sent home to the parents with the clothes collected on receipt of payment. My 12 yr old took himself to skoolkit to purchase his school uniform. I simply transferred the necessary cost into his bank account so that he could withdraw it from the bank and go straight to the shop to purchase the required items. That gave him a sense of ownership over his uniform, rather than me handing it to him and him then moaning that it doesn't fit, feels uncomfortable etc. Yep, my kids kick off just as much as all the others, but this approach works for them. Give them a sense of responsibility and they will normally rise to the challenge and wear their uniform with pride. Perhaps the LEA and Skoolkit could work together to have the outlets based in the schools. An added bonus for skoolkit would be no extortionate rents on retail units, which could then leave room for a reduction in the cost of the clothing. solomum

9:47am Fri 7 Sep 12

George4th says...

Mr Price wrote:
Hamble Community Sports College have taken this a step to far......They have already sent 25 pupils (girls) home as they have the wrong trousers..Hamble state the trousers must be black... NOT Cotton, NOT Combat, NOT Flares, NOT Skinny Cut,NOT Boot Cut...well we are really struggling to buy any that are NOT in the NOT list !!!!!
25 in total sent home so that means that all the children not sent home were wearing the correct trousers. Think about it!
[quote][p][bold]Mr Price[/bold] wrote: Hamble Community Sports College have taken this a step to far......They have already sent 25 pupils (girls) home as they have the wrong trousers..Hamble state the trousers must be black... NOT Cotton, NOT Combat, NOT Flares, NOT Skinny Cut,NOT Boot Cut...well we are really struggling to buy any that are NOT in the NOT list !!!!![/p][/quote]25 in total sent home so that means that all the children not sent home were wearing the correct trousers. Think about it! George4th

10:20am Fri 7 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
In the 1930's lots of kids went to school in smart black shirts with a funny spidery logo on them, they were very disciplined. Ah! Godwins law what would we do without you.
I never thought you were that old ;-)
I'm not, it just feels like it!
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: In the 1930's lots of kids went to school in smart black shirts with a funny spidery logo on them, they were very disciplined. Ah! Godwins law what would we do without you.[/p][/quote]I never thought you were that old ;-)[/p][/quote]I'm not, it just feels like it! OSPREYSAINT

11:08am Fri 7 Sep 12

redding203 says...

this was also the case for a school in southampton that my 2 daugthers attend i think it is all silly and a waste of teaching time
this was also the case for a school in southampton that my 2 daugthers attend i think it is all silly and a waste of teaching time redding203

11:08am Fri 7 Sep 12

redding203 says...

this was also the case for a school in southampton that my 2 daugthers attend i think it is all silly and a waste of teaching time
this was also the case for a school in southampton that my 2 daugthers attend i think it is all silly and a waste of teaching time redding203

11:56am Fri 7 Sep 12

punterman says...

Hi I ordered a taxi for Krista yesteday but its not here yet.
Hi I ordered a taxi for Krista yesteday but its not here yet. punterman

11:58am Fri 7 Sep 12

punterman says...

On a serious note, whilst certain pupils turned up wearing in the incorrrect uniform they shouldn't have been sent home. Asking parents to come out of work where they may potentially loose income through doing so is unacceptable.
On a serious note, whilst certain pupils turned up wearing in the incorrrect uniform they shouldn't have been sent home. Asking parents to come out of work where they may potentially loose income through doing so is unacceptable. punterman

12:36pm Fri 7 Sep 12

George4th says...

punterman wrote:
Hi I ordered a taxi for Krista yesteday but its not here yet.
Maybe you should order one for yourself............
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[quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: Hi I ordered a taxi for Krista yesteday but its not here yet.[/p][/quote]Maybe you should order one for yourself............ .................... ..... George4th

1:20pm Fri 7 Sep 12

punterman says...

jcwwork wrote:
Smart uniform does not necessarily mean smart or well behaved pupils. The pupils at Crestwood have always been well behaved and happy in the old uniform. The parents had no say in the matter, it was decided by the school and then we where all told it was happening.
I used to go to Crestwood and I can tell you now students were NOT well behaved. Bad language, smoking (which I know goes on at all schools) was a frequent occurence
[quote][p][bold]jcwwork[/bold] wrote: Smart uniform does not necessarily mean smart or well behaved pupils. The pupils at Crestwood have always been well behaved and happy in the old uniform. The parents had no say in the matter, it was decided by the school and then we where all told it was happening.[/p][/quote]I used to go to Crestwood and I can tell you now students were NOT well behaved. Bad language, smoking (which I know goes on at all schools) was a frequent occurence punterman

1:21pm Fri 7 Sep 12

punterman says...

George4th wrote:
punterman wrote:
Hi I ordered a taxi for Krista yesteday but its not here yet.
Maybe you should order one for yourself............

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Don't need to, I have a car, but thank you for the advice.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: Hi I ordered a taxi for Krista yesteday but its not here yet.[/p][/quote]Maybe you should order one for yourself............ .................... .....[/p][/quote]Don't need to, I have a car, but thank you for the advice. punterman

1:26pm Fri 7 Sep 12

punterman says...

George4th wrote:
schoolmum wrote:
I am a Crestwood year 11 mum and i have to say that the basic article is incorrect.My daughter was sent home for wearing the same trousers as last year.She has 6months left of school at school and i have been forced to buy complete new uniform when we were hold it would be flexible for year 11.Where is the flixibility in that.Would you be prepared to buy new uniform for 6months wear.Sending them home,gains nothing other than to denigh them important education before there exams.I should point out Ms Dawkins agreed my daughters trousers were exceptable last year.
I agree Crestwood pupils were given adequate time to get the uniform and given guidance as to what they needed.If i had any other year(7-10)I would say brilliant,but it is stupid and inappropriate for less than 6mths wear + if my daughters uniform was wrong,why were others allowed to break the rules and stay in school.This is starting to look like favouritism and bullying.When are Crestwood Governors going to admit
they should have stpped this happening.Year 11 pupils should be thinking about their exams not worrying about wearing the wrong trousers.My daughter was made to take out her earrings today because they didn't match.1 was gold 1 was acrylic.what difference does that make to whether she gets an "A" or an "E"? Perhaps she would like to comment on that.
You seem to be out of step with other Crestwood parents on here? And as someone pointed out, you cannot make exceptions. Plus, Crestwood is a much improved school and is liked by the children, staff and most parents.............
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As an aside, would your daughter not have grown out of last year's clothes? (or had the wear anyway?)
Maybe we should order a taxi for Mrs Dawkins too. How many taxis is it going to take?
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schoolmum[/bold] wrote: I am a Crestwood year 11 mum and i have to say that the basic article is incorrect.My daughter was sent home for wearing the same trousers as last year.She has 6months left of school at school and i have been forced to buy complete new uniform when we were hold it would be flexible for year 11.Where is the flixibility in that.Would you be prepared to buy new uniform for 6months wear.Sending them home,gains nothing other than to denigh them important education before there exams.I should point out Ms Dawkins agreed my daughters trousers were exceptable last year. I agree Crestwood pupils were given adequate time to get the uniform and given guidance as to what they needed.If i had any other year(7-10)I would say brilliant,but it is stupid and inappropriate for less than 6mths wear + if my daughters uniform was wrong,why were others allowed to break the rules and stay in school.This is starting to look like favouritism and bullying.When are Crestwood Governors going to admit they should have stpped this happening.Year 11 pupils should be thinking about their exams not worrying about wearing the wrong trousers.My daughter was made to take out her earrings today because they didn't match.1 was gold 1 was acrylic.what difference does that make to whether she gets an "A" or an "E"? Perhaps she would like to comment on that.[/p][/quote]You seem to be out of step with other Crestwood parents on here? And as someone pointed out, you cannot make exceptions. Plus, Crestwood is a much improved school and is liked by the children, staff and most parents............. > As an aside, would your daughter not have grown out of last year's clothes? (or had the wear anyway?)[/p][/quote]Maybe we should order a taxi for Mrs Dawkins too. How many taxis is it going to take? punterman

1:47pm Fri 7 Sep 12

S!monOn says...

punterman wrote:
I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit. So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.
I can that you finished school a fine example of society........
[quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit. So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.[/p][/quote]I can that you finished school a fine example of society........ S!monOn

1:47pm Fri 7 Sep 12

S!monOn says...

punterman wrote:
I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit. So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.
I can see that you finished school a fine example of society........
[quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit. So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.[/p][/quote]I can see that you finished school a fine example of society........ S!monOn

2:02pm Fri 7 Sep 12

punterman says...

S!monOn wrote:
punterman wrote:
I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit. So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.
I can see that you finished school a fine example of society........
oh yes I was edcuated (if thats what you call it) at Creestwood.
I'm actually very successful but unfortuantely it was no thanks to that school. I'm pleased to hear though that its turned itself around
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit. So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.[/p][/quote]I can see that you finished school a fine example of society........[/p][/quote]oh yes I was edcuated (if thats what you call it) at Creestwood. I'm actually very successful but unfortuantely it was no thanks to that school. I'm pleased to hear though that its turned itself around punterman

2:07pm Fri 7 Sep 12

punterman says...

nickiclaire wrote:
Maybe Crestwood should be more concerned about continuity of care at the school rather than wearing the wrong trousers. A head that only spends a couple of days a week at the school and is trying to run two seems to be much more of an issue than this topic.
I 100% agree with this. Her focus is on completely the wrong things. School uniform is important but so is providing a decent education.
I think 2 days a week is appalling. She either needs to focus on running that school full time or resign and let someone else who is prepared to show a higher level of commitment.
I'm more than happy to write her letter of resignation - she won't have time as she'll be too busy sending students home
[quote][p][bold]nickiclaire[/bold] wrote: Maybe Crestwood should be more concerned about continuity of care at the school rather than wearing the wrong trousers. A head that only spends a couple of days a week at the school and is trying to run two seems to be much more of an issue than this topic.[/p][/quote]I 100% agree with this. Her focus is on completely the wrong things. School uniform is important but so is providing a decent education. I think 2 days a week is appalling. She either needs to focus on running that school full time or resign and let someone else who is prepared to show a higher level of commitment. I'm more than happy to write her letter of resignation - she won't have time as she'll be too busy sending students home punterman

2:49pm Fri 7 Sep 12

schoolmum says...

I would just like to say i 100% support the uniform for years 1-10.Ms Dawkins has done a fantastic job turning round Crestwood.Look at the Ofsted results.
I think we have gone off topic.We are not talking about whether discipline is good or bad,whether the kids drink or smoke,we are talking about young adults some very soon to be 16 being forced to wear trousers that children of 11/12 are wearing who have no shape whatsoever.We are forcing these children to stay on at school after they are 16 shouldn't they at least of had some say in what they wear,as previous years and other schools.These youngsters feel humiliated by the lack of respect they are getting.When i left school i was 15 and i was treated at work like an adult so why should girls/boys at school of 15/16 not be treated the same.They should have been given choices and treated in a dignified way not humiliated by there elders.
As I was told about the trousers,they need to be given a bit of flexibility and respect for there age as we expect of them.I will reiterate i am 100% for Ms Dawkins and the uniform for the future years 1-10 but please rethink year11 students.
I would just like to say i 100% support the uniform for years 1-10.Ms Dawkins has done a fantastic job turning round Crestwood.Look at the Ofsted results. I think we have gone off topic.We are not talking about whether discipline is good or bad,whether the kids drink or smoke,we are talking about young adults some very soon to be 16 being forced to wear trousers that children of 11/12 are wearing who have no shape whatsoever.We are forcing these children to stay on at school after they are 16 shouldn't they at least of had some say in what they wear,as previous years and other schools.These youngsters feel humiliated by the lack of respect they are getting.When i left school i was 15 and i was treated at work like an adult so why should girls/boys at school of 15/16 not be treated the same.They should have been given choices and treated in a dignified way not humiliated by there elders. As I was told about the trousers,they need to be given a bit of flexibility and respect for there age as we expect of them.I will reiterate i am 100% for Ms Dawkins and the uniform for the future years 1-10 but please rethink year11 students. schoolmum

3:43pm Fri 7 Sep 12

schoolmum says...

If the school is to insist on pacific jumpers,blazers and shirts,why on earth did they not save a lot of people all the agro and mistakes and do as has just been done and issue parents
a list of suitable shops to purchase them from.Or as one teenage with there head screwed on suggested above,get the asda,tescos of this world
to come to school termly and sell uniform that way forcing the correct
uniform.Well done Mr sensible.
If the school is to insist on pacific jumpers,blazers and shirts,why on earth did they not save a lot of people all the agro and mistakes and do as has just been done and issue parents a list of suitable shops to purchase them from.Or as one teenage with there head screwed on suggested above,get the asda,tescos of this world to come to school termly and sell uniform that way forcing the correct uniform.Well done Mr sensible. schoolmum

5:01pm Fri 7 Sep 12

Facewagon says...

schoolmum wrote:
If the school is to insist on pacific jumpers,blazers and shirts,why on earth did they not save a lot of people all the agro and mistakes and do as has just been done and issue parents
a list of suitable shops to purchase them from.Or as one teenage with there head screwed on suggested above,get the asda,tescos of this world
to come to school termly and sell uniform that way forcing the correct
uniform.Well done Mr sensible.
But why should the school have to do that? Why are some parents unable to figure this out for themselves? It's hardly a secret that Asda and Tesco etc. sell school clothes, is it? I find it unsettling that people want to be spoon-fed the simplest of things.
[quote][p][bold]schoolmum[/bold] wrote: If the school is to insist on pacific jumpers,blazers and shirts,why on earth did they not save a lot of people all the agro and mistakes and do as has just been done and issue parents a list of suitable shops to purchase them from.Or as one teenage with there head screwed on suggested above,get the asda,tescos of this world to come to school termly and sell uniform that way forcing the correct uniform.Well done Mr sensible.[/p][/quote]But why should the school have to do that? Why are some parents unable to figure this out for themselves? It's hardly a secret that Asda and Tesco etc. sell school clothes, is it? I find it unsettling that people want to be spoon-fed the simplest of things. Facewagon

5:41pm Fri 7 Sep 12

schoolmum says...

i am certainly not spoonfed.I am an ordinary working single mum with a
teenage girl who hasn't got the time
and who is trying to get the balance
right.The school wants one thing,the yougsters are unset by that and i am just trying to walk the tightrope.
All i want is to be able to without all
this hullabaloo be able to get it right.
If the school remained flexible as they said they would,none of this would have arisen.I must also add the 15/16 year olds don't necessarily fir into the school sizes.A lot of parents have had a lot of problems with this and as the school was closed could get no advice.
i am certainly not spoonfed.I am an ordinary working single mum with a teenage girl who hasn't got the time and who is trying to get the balance right.The school wants one thing,the yougsters are unset by that and i am just trying to walk the tightrope. All i want is to be able to without all this hullabaloo be able to get it right. If the school remained flexible as they said they would,none of this would have arisen.I must also add the 15/16 year olds don't necessarily fir into the school sizes.A lot of parents have had a lot of problems with this and as the school was closed could get no advice. schoolmum

5:41pm Fri 7 Sep 12

schoolmum says...

i am certainly not spoonfed.I am an ordinary working single mum with a
teenage girl who hasn't got the time
and who is trying to get the balance
right.The school wants one thing,the yougsters are unset by that and i am just trying to walk the tightrope.
All i want is to be able to without all
this hullabaloo be able to get it right.
If the school remained flexible as they said they would,none of this would have arisen.I must also add the 15/16 year olds don't necessarily fir into the school sizes.A lot of parents have had a lot of problems with this and as the school was closed could get no advice.
i am certainly not spoonfed.I am an ordinary working single mum with a teenage girl who hasn't got the time and who is trying to get the balance right.The school wants one thing,the yougsters are unset by that and i am just trying to walk the tightrope. All i want is to be able to without all this hullabaloo be able to get it right. If the school remained flexible as they said they would,none of this would have arisen.I must also add the 15/16 year olds don't necessarily fir into the school sizes.A lot of parents have had a lot of problems with this and as the school was closed could get no advice. schoolmum

6:11pm Fri 7 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

schoolmum wrote:
i am certainly not spoonfed.I am an ordinary working single mum with a
teenage girl who hasn't got the time
and who is trying to get the balance
right.The school wants one thing,the yougsters are unset by that and i am just trying to walk the tightrope.
All i want is to be able to without all
this hullabaloo be able to get it right.
If the school remained flexible as they said they would,none of this would have arisen.I must also add the 15/16 year olds don't necessarily fir into the school sizes.A lot of parents have had a lot of problems with this and as the school was closed could get no advice.
I actually do understand your frustration to a degree. It can't be easy trying to convince a teenager to wear unfashionable clothing. Unfortunately this is part of life and the sooner the teens learn this the easier it will be when they leave school and have to wear unfashionable clothing as part of their job.

The best solution is just buy the correct trousers and it's all sorted.
Good luck x
[quote][p][bold]schoolmum[/bold] wrote: i am certainly not spoonfed.I am an ordinary working single mum with a teenage girl who hasn't got the time and who is trying to get the balance right.The school wants one thing,the yougsters are unset by that and i am just trying to walk the tightrope. All i want is to be able to without all this hullabaloo be able to get it right. If the school remained flexible as they said they would,none of this would have arisen.I must also add the 15/16 year olds don't necessarily fir into the school sizes.A lot of parents have had a lot of problems with this and as the school was closed could get no advice.[/p][/quote]I actually do understand your frustration to a degree. It can't be easy trying to convince a teenager to wear unfashionable clothing. Unfortunately this is part of life and the sooner the teens learn this the easier it will be when they leave school and have to wear unfashionable clothing as part of their job. The best solution is just buy the correct trousers and it's all sorted. Good luck x IronLady2010

6:11pm Fri 7 Sep 12

solomum says...

punterman wrote:
I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit.

So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.
So as well as encouraging your children to disrespect the uniform rules, you are now also advising them to be rude to staff members. It sounds like you need to learn to be a respectable member of society yourself before you are capable of bringing up the next generation. Grow up! You are an adult so behave like one.
[quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit. So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.[/p][/quote]So as well as encouraging your children to disrespect the uniform rules, you are now also advising them to be rude to staff members. It sounds like you need to learn to be a respectable member of society yourself before you are capable of bringing up the next generation. Grow up! You are an adult so behave like one. solomum

6:21pm Fri 7 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

solomum wrote:
punterman wrote:
I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit.

So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.
So as well as encouraging your children to disrespect the uniform rules, you are now also advising them to be rude to staff members. It sounds like you need to learn to be a respectable member of society yourself before you are capable of bringing up the next generation. Grow up! You are an adult so behave like one.
Unfortunately there are a lot of bad parents out there! Thankfully decent parents are still a majority.

As I have said before, some kids have no hope in life.
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit. So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.[/p][/quote]So as well as encouraging your children to disrespect the uniform rules, you are now also advising them to be rude to staff members. It sounds like you need to learn to be a respectable member of society yourself before you are capable of bringing up the next generation. Grow up! You are an adult so behave like one.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately there are a lot of bad parents out there! Thankfully decent parents are still a majority. As I have said before, some kids have no hope in life. IronLady2010

6:34pm Fri 7 Sep 12

George4th says...

solomum wrote:
punterman wrote:
I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit.

So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.
So as well as encouraging your children to disrespect the uniform rules, you are now also advising them to be rude to staff members. It sounds like you need to learn to be a respectable member of society yourself before you are capable of bringing up the next generation. Grow up! You are an adult so behave like one.
You've made a very good contribution to this article which is a lot more than can be said of "I've got a chip on my shoulder" Punterman!
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit. So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.[/p][/quote]So as well as encouraging your children to disrespect the uniform rules, you are now also advising them to be rude to staff members. It sounds like you need to learn to be a respectable member of society yourself before you are capable of bringing up the next generation. Grow up! You are an adult so behave like one.[/p][/quote]You've made a very good contribution to this article which is a lot more than can be said of "I've got a chip on my shoulder" Punterman! George4th

6:44pm Fri 7 Sep 12

schoolmum says...

I am i think a pretty reasonable parent ,i am not a dictator.I believe in finding a
common ground not this harsh lack of interest in young people.Would you like it if you had to wear a jumper in the middle of a hot day or worse a blazer.
Surely teenagers have a right to a say
in things.Im not suggesting they are always right but i don't think BULLYING
them is the right answer
Laura ,you look perfectly reasonably dressed to me and if you want to wear your old uniform this year i think you should be allowed .Flexibility is the key as Crestwood said they would be in the first place.Years 1-10 your new uniform is very smart,be proud of it.
I am i think a pretty reasonable parent ,i am not a dictator.I believe in finding a common ground not this harsh lack of interest in young people.Would you like it if you had to wear a jumper in the middle of a hot day or worse a blazer. Surely teenagers have a right to a say in things.Im not suggesting they are always right but i don't think BULLYING them is the right answer Laura ,you look perfectly reasonably dressed to me and if you want to wear your old uniform this year i think you should be allowed .Flexibility is the key as Crestwood said they would be in the first place.Years 1-10 your new uniform is very smart,be proud of it. schoolmum

7:27pm Fri 7 Sep 12

Mulberrys says...

punterman wrote:
I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit.

So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.
How can you encourage young people to be so disrespectful? You are a parent, please try to set an example to the children. Why don't you try and do the job of a teacher or Headteacher? Getting the balance right must be exceptionally difficult. They need our support, not our mocking them.
[quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit. So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.[/p][/quote]How can you encourage young people to be so disrespectful? You are a parent, please try to set an example to the children. Why don't you try and do the job of a teacher or Headteacher? Getting the balance right must be exceptionally difficult. They need our support, not our mocking them. Mulberrys

7:38pm Fri 7 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

Mulberrys wrote:
punterman wrote:
I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit.

So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.
How can you encourage young people to be so disrespectful? You are a parent, please try to set an example to the children. Why don't you try and do the job of a teacher or Headteacher? Getting the balance right must be exceptionally difficult. They need our support, not our mocking them.
You seem surprised??? How many times do you walk through Southampton and hear mothers calling their 4 year old a little F***ker etc with a fag hanging out their mouths. Sadly this is now an everyday thing.

We can't really blame the kids when some parents are totally irresponsible themselves.

I've even heard a parent call a child the nasty C word and was gob-smacked.
[quote][p][bold]Mulberrys[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit. So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.[/p][/quote]How can you encourage young people to be so disrespectful? You are a parent, please try to set an example to the children. Why don't you try and do the job of a teacher or Headteacher? Getting the balance right must be exceptionally difficult. They need our support, not our mocking them.[/p][/quote]You seem surprised??? How many times do you walk through Southampton and hear mothers calling their 4 year old a little F***ker etc with a fag hanging out their mouths. Sadly this is now an everyday thing. We can't really blame the kids when some parents are totally irresponsible themselves. I've even heard a parent call a child the nasty C word and was gob-smacked. IronLady2010

8:42pm Fri 7 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Quote: - About 40 pupils were sent home from a Reading school for turning up in skinny jeans, canvas shoes and trainers.

The John Madjeski Academy paid for the majority of the uniform for all pupils, so all parents had to provide was tailored trousers, a shirt, and shoes.

The madness is everywhere, must be a Con Dem conspiracy to wreck the education system.
Quote: - About 40 pupils were sent home from a Reading school for turning up in skinny jeans, canvas shoes and trainers. The John Madjeski Academy paid for the majority of the uniform for all pupils, so all parents had to provide was tailored trousers, a shirt, and shoes. The madness is everywhere, must be a Con Dem conspiracy to wreck the education system. OSPREYSAINT

9:14pm Fri 7 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Quote: - About 40 pupils were sent home from a Reading school for turning up in skinny jeans, canvas shoes and trainers.

The John Madjeski Academy paid for the majority of the uniform for all pupils, so all parents had to provide was tailored trousers, a shirt, and shoes.

The madness is everywhere, must be a Con Dem conspiracy to wreck the education system.
OR maybe they're trying to restore Law and Order ;-)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Quote: - About 40 pupils were sent home from a Reading school for turning up in skinny jeans, canvas shoes and trainers. The John Madjeski Academy paid for the majority of the uniform for all pupils, so all parents had to provide was tailored trousers, a shirt, and shoes. The madness is everywhere, must be a Con Dem conspiracy to wreck the education system.[/p][/quote]OR maybe they're trying to restore Law and Order ;-) IronLady2010

9:36pm Fri 7 Sep 12

J.P.M says...

Pity there is no REAL NEWS to report.
Pity there is no REAL NEWS to report. J.P.M

11:49pm Fri 7 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Mulberrys wrote:
punterman wrote:
I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit.

So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.
How can you encourage young people to be so disrespectful? You are a parent, please try to set an example to the children. Why don't you try and do the job of a teacher or Headteacher? Getting the balance right must be exceptionally difficult. They need our support, not our mocking them.
You seem surprised??? How many times do you walk through Southampton and hear mothers calling their 4 year old a little F***ker etc with a fag hanging out their mouths. Sadly this is now an everyday thing.

We can't really blame the kids when some parents are totally irresponsible themselves.

I've even heard a parent call a child the nasty C word and was gob-smacked.
You obviously don't smoke, Iron Lady. It's almost impossible to say "little f***ker" without the fag falling out of your mouth. I've been trying to do it all day without any success. Not allowed to smoke indoors, so I had to do this outside. And people were quite shocked, as you say. Perhaps they thought it was a waste of cigarettes - I don't know. Mind you, it wasn't a fair test as I didn't have my children with me : they're both in their thirties, and they don't live with me. Just out there on my own, really. I might try the "c" word tomorrow. There's two though : c***, and c*** ! Which is nastier ? I'll try both.

Now that bit of nonsense was inspired by your comment. Just a bit of fun, with no offence intended. Would you call that "trolling" ? I won't argue with you, as I am asking for information only.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mulberrys[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit. So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.[/p][/quote]How can you encourage young people to be so disrespectful? You are a parent, please try to set an example to the children. Why don't you try and do the job of a teacher or Headteacher? Getting the balance right must be exceptionally difficult. They need our support, not our mocking them.[/p][/quote]You seem surprised??? How many times do you walk through Southampton and hear mothers calling their 4 year old a little F***ker etc with a fag hanging out their mouths. Sadly this is now an everyday thing. We can't really blame the kids when some parents are totally irresponsible themselves. I've even heard a parent call a child the nasty C word and was gob-smacked.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't smoke, Iron Lady. It's almost impossible to say "little f***ker" without the fag falling out of your mouth. I've been trying to do it all day without any success. Not allowed to smoke indoors, so I had to do this outside. And people were quite shocked, as you say. Perhaps they thought it was a waste of cigarettes - I don't know. Mind you, it wasn't a fair test as I didn't have my children with me : they're both in their thirties, and they don't live with me. Just out there on my own, really. I might try the "c" word tomorrow. There's two though : c***, and c*** ! Which is nastier ? I'll try both. Now that bit of nonsense was inspired by your comment. Just a bit of fun, with no offence intended. Would you call that "trolling" ? I won't argue with you, as I am asking for information only. BillyTheKid

1:32pm Sun 9 Sep 12

SotonGreen says...

I would have thought the head teacher would be more concerned with the quality of teaching conducted at the school rather than the niff naff and trivia of school uniform.

Anything to distract us from the falling standards of teaching eh ?
I would have thought the head teacher would be more concerned with the quality of teaching conducted at the school rather than the niff naff and trivia of school uniform. Anything to distract us from the falling standards of teaching eh ? SotonGreen

11:22pm Sun 9 Sep 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Quote: - About 40 pupils were sent home from a Reading school for turning up in skinny jeans, canvas shoes and trainers.

The John Madjeski Academy paid for the majority of the uniform for all pupils, so all parents had to provide was tailored trousers, a shirt, and shoes.

The madness is everywhere, must be a Con Dem conspiracy to wreck the education system.
OR maybe they're trying to restore Law and Order ;-)
There are no Civil laws to say you have to wear Uniform, only rules specific to particular schools. It is not a unique phenomenon, just trawling through recent News reports I came across several examples, almost identical, they happen every new Term and usually, just a storm in a teacup, not really headline news. Discipline in schools is more down to the quality of the teaching staff, rather than having the pupils maintaining their ties straight or laces tied. Same goes for the parents, most of the problems with the kids is down to mothers and fathers not instilling any respect into their offspring, any form of punishment is frowned upon so the kids who know this will always push their luck as far as they can and there is nothing to deter them from bad behaviour.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Quote: - About 40 pupils were sent home from a Reading school for turning up in skinny jeans, canvas shoes and trainers. The John Madjeski Academy paid for the majority of the uniform for all pupils, so all parents had to provide was tailored trousers, a shirt, and shoes. The madness is everywhere, must be a Con Dem conspiracy to wreck the education system.[/p][/quote]OR maybe they're trying to restore Law and Order ;-)[/p][/quote]There are no Civil laws to say you have to wear Uniform, only rules specific to particular schools. It is not a unique phenomenon, just trawling through recent News reports I came across several examples, almost identical, they happen every new Term and usually, just a storm in a teacup, not really headline news. Discipline in schools is more down to the quality of the teaching staff, rather than having the pupils maintaining their ties straight or laces tied. Same goes for the parents, most of the problems with the kids is down to mothers and fathers not instilling any respect into their offspring, any form of punishment is frowned upon so the kids who know this will always push their luck as far as they can and there is nothing to deter them from bad behaviour. OSPREYSAINT

12:06am Mon 10 Sep 12

andysaints007 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Quote: - About 40 pupils were sent home from a Reading school for turning up in skinny jeans, canvas shoes and trainers.

The John Madjeski Academy paid for the majority of the uniform for all pupils, so all parents had to provide was tailored trousers, a shirt, and shoes.

The madness is everywhere, must be a Con Dem conspiracy to wreck the education system.
OR maybe they're trying to restore Law and Order ;-)
There are no Civil laws to say you have to wear Uniform, only rules specific to particular schools. It is not a unique phenomenon, just trawling through recent News reports I came across several examples, almost identical, they happen every new Term and usually, just a storm in a teacup, not really headline news. Discipline in schools is more down to the quality of the teaching staff, rather than having the pupils maintaining their ties straight or laces tied. Same goes for the parents, most of the problems with the kids is down to mothers and fathers not instilling any respect into their offspring, any form of punishment is frowned upon so the kids who know this will always push their luck as far as they can and there is nothing to deter them from bad behaviour.
I swear you become more of a tw&t as each day passes
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Quote: - About 40 pupils were sent home from a Reading school for turning up in skinny jeans, canvas shoes and trainers. The John Madjeski Academy paid for the majority of the uniform for all pupils, so all parents had to provide was tailored trousers, a shirt, and shoes. The madness is everywhere, must be a Con Dem conspiracy to wreck the education system.[/p][/quote]OR maybe they're trying to restore Law and Order ;-)[/p][/quote]There are no Civil laws to say you have to wear Uniform, only rules specific to particular schools. It is not a unique phenomenon, just trawling through recent News reports I came across several examples, almost identical, they happen every new Term and usually, just a storm in a teacup, not really headline news. Discipline in schools is more down to the quality of the teaching staff, rather than having the pupils maintaining their ties straight or laces tied. Same goes for the parents, most of the problems with the kids is down to mothers and fathers not instilling any respect into their offspring, any form of punishment is frowned upon so the kids who know this will always push their luck as far as they can and there is nothing to deter them from bad behaviour.[/p][/quote]I swear you become more of a tw&t as each day passes andysaints007

12:11am Mon 10 Sep 12

andysaints007 says...

punterman wrote:
I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit.

So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.
Ar*ehole
[quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit. So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.[/p][/quote]Ar*ehole andysaints007

2:42pm Mon 10 Sep 12

punterman says...

andysaints007 wrote:
punterman wrote:
I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit.

So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.
Ar*ehole
Whats even funnier is that what Krista doesn't know (well she will when she reads this) a large number of students at Crestwood and we are talking well over 200 have joined a facebook group and will be wearing their civies in a day not too far away. Is she going to sned 200 pupils home
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]punterman[/bold] wrote: I think Krista should now be known as Gromit Got the wrong trousers Gromit. So if any pupils at Creswood are reading this call her Gromit from now on.[/p][/quote]Ar*ehole[/p][/quote]Whats even funnier is that what Krista doesn't know (well she will when she reads this) a large number of students at Crestwood and we are talking well over 200 have joined a facebook group and will be wearing their civies in a day not too far away. Is she going to sned 200 pupils home punterman

9:04pm Mon 10 Sep 12

kazlight says...

im not getting into some great debate over this ott enforcement of school uniform rules, im just shocked at the manner in which the enforcement rules have been implemented, my daughter attends the sholing technology college and unfortunately i had a major problem with my daughter attending the school at all last yr, i done everything in my power to try and get her to attend including involving education welfare who i would like to say were extremely helpful, i was fined and threatened with court but my daughter refused to go, my job dictates a 6am start which obviosly did not help the situation but i have to say as a parent i feel i done everything i could, obviously my daughters absence meant i never received a letter concerning the uniform rules and i know parents of pupils who were absent due to illness also never received a letter, so my point is nearly all the children i see on a daily basis look smart and well turnt out in various styles of black trousers, and i think a childs education is far more important than the style of clothing she wears. But i had a conversation with school last tuesday and explained that due to the problems with my daughter last yr could they please just ease up on her for a week or so to let her settle back in to the school routine and then i would ensure she didnt wear her skinny trousers i was met with rudeness and a total lack of respect and i feel if they speak to a parent in that manner who is just trying to reach a comprommise so that my daughter attends school and the uniform rules are adhered to then how do they speak to their pupils, i also asked the reasons behind the uniform changes and they couldnt tell me anything that made any sense, so im still at a loss, it seems to me that the teachers are enforcing rules that they themselves dont understand, and i think most people that sent there children to school this term in the same style that they wore last have not done this out of rebellion or lack of respect for authority but because the school did not ensure that all parents received the information, and obviously from my personal experience after trying to come to a suitable compromise i was met with a brick wall. So to everybody who thinks these problems are soley down to bad parenting please think again because for most of us we have tried politely and sensibly to deal with a situation that has spiralled out of control
im not getting into some great debate over this ott enforcement of school uniform rules, im just shocked at the manner in which the enforcement rules have been implemented, my daughter attends the sholing technology college and unfortunately i had a major problem with my daughter attending the school at all last yr, i done everything in my power to try and get her to attend including involving education welfare who i would like to say were extremely helpful, i was fined and threatened with court but my daughter refused to go, my job dictates a 6am start which obviosly did not help the situation but i have to say as a parent i feel i done everything i could, obviously my daughters absence meant i never received a letter concerning the uniform rules and i know parents of pupils who were absent due to illness also never received a letter, so my point is nearly all the children i see on a daily basis look smart and well turnt out in various styles of black trousers, and i think a childs education is far more important than the style of clothing she wears. But i had a conversation with school last tuesday and explained that due to the problems with my daughter last yr could they please just ease up on her for a week or so to let her settle back in to the school routine and then i would ensure she didnt wear her skinny trousers i was met with rudeness and a total lack of respect and i feel if they speak to a parent in that manner who is just trying to reach a comprommise so that my daughter attends school and the uniform rules are adhered to then how do they speak to their pupils, i also asked the reasons behind the uniform changes and they couldnt tell me anything that made any sense, so im still at a loss, it seems to me that the teachers are enforcing rules that they themselves dont understand, and i think most people that sent there children to school this term in the same style that they wore last have not done this out of rebellion or lack of respect for authority but because the school did not ensure that all parents received the information, and obviously from my personal experience after trying to come to a suitable compromise i was met with a brick wall. So to everybody who thinks these problems are soley down to bad parenting please think again because for most of us we have tried politely and sensibly to deal with a situation that has spiralled out of control kazlight

3:09pm Tue 11 Sep 12

kazlight says...

Facewagon wrote:
schoolmum wrote: If the school is to insist on pacific jumpers,blazers and shirts,why on earth did they not save a lot of people all the agro and mistakes and do as has just been done and issue parents a list of suitable shops to purchase them from.Or as one teenage with there head screwed on suggested above,get the asda,tescos of this world to come to school termly and sell uniform that way forcing the correct uniform.Well done Mr sensible.
But why should the school have to do that? Why are some parents unable to figure this out for themselves? It's hardly a secret that Asda and Tesco etc. sell school clothes, is it? I find it unsettling that people want to be spoon-fed the simplest of things.
as a comment i would just like to say i work for one of the above mentioned supermarkets and purchased my daughters 2 school skirts from there, and she has been sent home regarding both of them, so it seems that different schools are enforcing different dress standards which makes it harder for parents to get it totally correct, so obviously purchasing schoolwear from supermarkets is without a doubt cheaper but not always acceptable to the school
[quote][p][bold]Facewagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schoolmum[/bold] wrote: If the school is to insist on pacific jumpers,blazers and shirts,why on earth did they not save a lot of people all the agro and mistakes and do as has just been done and issue parents a list of suitable shops to purchase them from.Or as one teenage with there head screwed on suggested above,get the asda,tescos of this world to come to school termly and sell uniform that way forcing the correct uniform.Well done Mr sensible.[/p][/quote]But why should the school have to do that? Why are some parents unable to figure this out for themselves? It's hardly a secret that Asda and Tesco etc. sell school clothes, is it? I find it unsettling that people want to be spoon-fed the simplest of things.[/p][/quote]as a comment i would just like to say i work for one of the above mentioned supermarkets and purchased my daughters 2 school skirts from there, and she has been sent home regarding both of them, so it seems that different schools are enforcing different dress standards which makes it harder for parents to get it totally correct, so obviously purchasing schoolwear from supermarkets is without a doubt cheaper but not always acceptable to the school kazlight

7:37am Thu 13 Sep 12

SotonGreen says...

Personally I would lock the teacher up that sent a kid home denying them a days education simply because they were wearing a smart pair of combats rather than the regulation trousers. They need to remember they are public servants discharging a service that parents are paying for through their taxes.

I support a uniform but we need to be relaxed about this. When I went to school the uniform was straightforward.

Trousers - Black or Grey
Shirt - White
jumper - maroon, v-necked.
tie - maroon and yellow striped.

We were provided with a list of a few shops that sold the kit or we could source our own as long as it complied with the color scheme.

It worked, everyone looked vaguely the same from the distance. Kids will still work fashion into whatever uniform style you prescribe just live with it.
Personally I would lock the teacher up that sent a kid home denying them a days education simply because they were wearing a smart pair of combats rather than the regulation trousers. They need to remember they are public servants discharging a service that parents are paying for through their taxes. I support a uniform but we need to be relaxed about this. When I went to school the uniform was straightforward. Trousers - Black or Grey Shirt - White jumper - maroon, v-necked. tie - maroon and yellow striped. We were provided with a list of a few shops that sold the kit or we could source our own as long as it complied with the color scheme. It worked, everyone looked vaguely the same from the distance. Kids will still work fashion into whatever uniform style you prescribe just live with it. SotonGreen

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