Green light for 20mph zones across Hampshire (From Daily Echo)

so why have they not looked at Portsmouth they have had this 20mph zones for about 2-3 years now. nothing new here

The whole road policing thing is just a joke even 30 / 40 speed limits are ignored and very little is done to enforce them,even on motorways although the legal limit is 70 the accepted limit is 80. Manufacturers have spent fortunes ensuring that their vehicles comply with noise legislation yet you have motorbikes making more noise than a 42 tonne truck, i suppose it will be blamed on financial cutbacks but road policing has become a thing of the past in every respect, the amount of times you see vehicles with defective lights. The advent of continues insurance coupled with ANPR camera's should virtually eliminate vehicles with no insurance (but has it) the only way to bring back law and order on our roads is to get the police patrols back like they used too, even one policeman standing at a junction/roundabout could earn his keep and no car required.

Variable speed limits should be more prevalent. Nobody can really think that the same speed limit, no matter what it is, applies at 3:30 on a school day in the pouring rain, as it does at 2am on Sunday.

Road patrols should be brought back up to scratch, you see more traffic cops in London in one day than you see in Southampton in a year, Yorkshire even have a dedicated unit for dealing with road violations/incidents
, why doesn't everyone else?

Because they've slashed police funding?

"Also earmarked for the scheme are Stanmore, Highcliffe and Winnall in Winchester . The first schemes will start in spring 2013."

In my day, Highcliffe was in Dorset.

No need to bring in a limit in Chandlers Ford. The road surfaces are so appalling that you can't do more than 20mph anyway without wrecking your car! I've had to have steering rods tightened twice in two years which the garage attributes to poor road condition. Thinking of sending the council the bills...

Hampshire do have a unit that looks at road issues. Road Policing Unit. You may not see as many due to Government cuts. If you want to change this then the only thing you can do is write to your MP.

chunk_vanman wrote:
"Also earmarked for the scheme are Stanmore, Highcliffe and Winnall in Winchester . The first schemes will start in spring 2013."

In my day, Highcliffe was in Dorset.

There use to be a Highcliffe in Nursling that was a Boarding School for invites only, don't know if that school as gone back to its old name again.

sotonwinch09 wrote:
Hampshire do have a unit that looks at road issues. Road Policing Unit. You may not see as many due to Government cuts. If you want to change this then the only thing you can do is write to your MP.

Need a separate service for reporting dangerous driving too, like London has with it's "roadsafe" service.

ohec wrote:
The whole road policing thing is just a joke even 30 / 40 speed limits are ignored and very little is done to enforce them,even on motorways although the legal limit is 70 the accepted limit is 80. Manufacturers have spent fortunes ensuring that their vehicles comply with noise legislation yet you have motorbikes making more noise than a 42 tonne truck, i suppose it will be blamed on financial cutbacks but road policing has become a thing of the past in every respect, the amount of times you see vehicles with defective lights. The advent of continues insurance coupled with ANPR camera's should virtually eliminate vehicles with no insurance (but has it) the only way to bring back law and order on our roads is to get the police patrols back like they used too, even one policeman standing at a junction/roundabout could earn his keep and no car required.

The RPU has quite a large fleet of unmarked vehicle's, but roads policing privatisation and scamera systems means they're often supporting CID/SCS and the like...

Shame there aren't more Uniform's visible, but then would they be in the right place at the right time? Probably not. The Luckett's Coach driver texting this morning in Fareham as he drove along Highlands Road would have to be very unlucky to get caught...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
Hampshire do have a unit that looks at road issues. Road Policing Unit. You may not see as many due to Government cuts. If you want to change this then the only thing you can do is write to your MP.

Need a separate service for reporting dangerous driving too, like London has with it's "roadsafe" service.

I wish! TVP/HantsPol now joined at the RPU hip might just do it, to increase profits!

Speed limits rarely reflect the actual safe speed - take Ampfield for exaample - where there is a 30mph limit. Hardly a pedestrian to be seen and at night it is ridiculous. The idea of variable speed limits is a good one and more in tune with what is really needed.
Until current limits are enforced there is little point in making new ones.
Another example - Hiltingbury Road in Chandlers Ford - where a 30mph limit is posted, yet traffic races along the road day and night well in excess of the limit yet plod can be seen in Winchester Road hiding in bushes with their hair dryers.

If Portsmouth's trial has shown that it hasn't reduced accidents then why does Mel Kendal insist on pushing this through? I think I can guess - public perception.... lower speed limits equal safer roads, and he will keep telling people that as it keeps him in a job, and let's him carry on disrespecting HCC employees

Mel Kendal says - “The police are unlikely to treat enforcement as a priority in residential 20mph areas and so we will need the support of residents through their participation in Community Speed Watch programmes.”

Meaning "Longer term we would like to extend police powers to our network of neighbourhood spies so that we can then increase revenue by sending fines in the post to those who have been grassed on."

All just goes to show how irresponsible some motorists can be... I wouldn't drive if I was unable to judge the safe speed for the conditions and circumstances.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
Hampshire do have a unit that looks at road issues. Road Policing Unit. You may not see as many due to Government cuts. If you want to change this then the only thing you can do is write to your MP.

Need a separate service for reporting dangerous driving too, like London has with it's "roadsafe" service.

Safe in the knowledge that cyclists can do what they like without being identified?

Ozmosis wrote:
If Portsmouth's trial has shown that it hasn't reduced accidents then why does Mel Kendal insist on pushing this through? I think I can guess - public perception.... lower speed limits equal safer roads, and he will keep telling people that as it keeps him in a job, and let's him carry on disrespecting HCC employees

Has the Portsmouth trial shown this?

And even if it hasn't reduced the number of accidents, a slower speed reduces the severity of the injuries sustained in accidents.

Bring it on.

chunk_vanman wrote:
"Also earmarked for the scheme are Stanmore, Highcliffe and Winnall in Winchester . The first schemes will start in spring 2013." In my day, Highcliffe was in Dorset.

Before your day it was in Hampshire, and so was Christchurch.

20 mph limits are a joke (eg outside schools during weekends and holidays)and will be widely ignored, especially if toothless neighbourhood nosy parkers are supposed to be enforcing them.

Mel at it again well he dont live here,nice and cosy in milford,20 is not any use portsmouth proved it and west sussex tried it,ended up with more accidents and road rage,they did decide to take out some traffic lights as well and the traffic flowed much better not so many holdup,s,even thames valley done that in places,for three days the lights at the southgate street/barclays were out and guess what,no congestion in st georges street,then lights back and within a hour yes all lined up,the only need for 20 is maybe at schools,kids need to learn how to cross and where to play,and transport need to stop wasting our money use it to repair roads instead

Please note idiot cyclists who race along pavements and shared paths this also applies to YOU.
But I expect you will ignore it as you think these laws are not applicable to you as you do most others

Urban streets are shared spaces and not exclusive clearways for vehicles. 15 mph would be a more sensible maximum speed for all residential roads and busy high streets. 15 mph gives time for drivers to spot, map and anticipate the movements of children, animals, adults and maneuvering vehicles ahead, all of which may move into the road at any time and are often obscured by parked vehicles and street furniture. Some drivers may think it is not their concern to worry about pedestrians but those are the drivers who make these speed reductions so necessary.

southy wrote:

chunk_vanman wrote:
"Also earmarked for the scheme are Stanmore, Highcliffe and Winnall in Winchester . The first schemes will start in spring 2013."

In my day, Highcliffe was in Dorset.

There use to be a Highcliffe in Nursling that was a Boarding School for invites only, don't know if that school as gone back to its old name again.

Southy, I believe the school you are trying to remember in Nursling was actually Northcliffe School at Grove Place, which later became a combination of Embley Park and Atherley Schools, the latter of which closed in 2006.

Torchie1 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
Hampshire do have a unit that looks at road issues. Road Policing Unit. You may not see as many due to Government cuts. If you want to change this then the only thing you can do is write to your MP.

Need a separate service for reporting dangerous driving too, like London has with it's "roadsafe" service.

Safe in the knowledge that cyclists can do what they like without being identified?

Not at all torchie, did you know speed limits actually don't apply to cyclists, they only apply to motor vehicles?

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
Hampshire do have a unit that looks at road issues. Road Policing Unit. You may not see as many due to Government cuts. If you want to change this then the only thing you can do is write to your MP.

Need a separate service for reporting dangerous driving too, like London has with it's "roadsafe" service.

Safe in the knowledge that cyclists can do what they like without being identified?

Not at all torchie, did you know speed limits actually don't apply to cyclists, they only apply to motor vehicles?

AS far as you cyclists are concerned no laws apply to you thats why you are such an arrogant bunch of ROAD users!

geoff51 wrote:
Please note idiot cyclists who race along pavements and shared paths this also applies to YOU.
But I expect you will ignore it as you think these laws are not applicable to you as you do most others

Actually look up "Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, sections 81, 86, 89 & schedule 6", they all refer to speed limits only applying to MOTOR vehicles but it is possible for by-laws to exist that give cyclists speed limits but I agree that you shouldn't ride faster than a mobility scooter would go on shared paths (though there is a 15mph limit on them and cycle lanes/paths anyway so there are actually speed limits for cyclists) but it's not clearly stated anywhere about speed limits for cyclists and paths are a big no go anyway so unless it's going uphill then I don't see any point in shared paths, instead I use the road where I'm not restricted in speed, also the royal parks across the country are the only known places to have roads with speed limits that also apply to cyclists as those by-laws state that all vehicles must obey them and not just motor vehicles.

geoff51 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
Hampshire do have a unit that looks at road issues. Road Policing Unit. You may not see as many due to Government cuts. If you want to change this then the only thing you can do is write to your MP.

Need a separate service for reporting dangerous driving too, like London has with it's "roadsafe" service.

Safe in the knowledge that cyclists can do what they like without being identified?

Not at all torchie, did you know speed limits actually don't apply to cyclists, they only apply to motor vehicles?

AS far as you cyclists are concerned no laws apply to you thats why you are such an arrogant bunch of ROAD users!

Not at all, I stop at every red light and zebra crossing (that has people waiting to cross of course), I clearly signal, look before making a move and look while making a move, I stop at give way lines if I have to and I don't use my phone while riding, I'll be honest, I've seen many more motorists jump lights, not give way, using phones while driving, even reading a book or doing paper work at the wheel, all of which is illegal yet they get away with it compared to the tiny amount of cyclists that I see do it, even had some stupid bimbo cut me up and left hooked me in her little mercedes A class(a link to the vid http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=VWP4UCCRC
mY&feature=plcp ) to get onto kingsway and guess how much time she saved? That's right, a grand total of 0.00000 seconds because she still got caught at the lights and I was sat behind her, would she have done it to another car or even a moped, doubt it.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

geoff51 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
Hampshire do have a unit that looks at road issues. Road Policing Unit. You may not see as many due to Government cuts. If you want to change this then the only thing you can do is write to your MP.

Need a separate service for reporting dangerous driving too, like London has with it's "roadsafe" service.

Safe in the knowledge that cyclists can do what they like without being identified?

Not at all torchie, did you know speed limits actually don't apply to cyclists, they only apply to motor vehicles?

AS far as you cyclists are concerned no laws apply to you thats why you are such an arrogant bunch of ROAD users!

Not at all, I stop at every red light and zebra crossing (that has people waiting to cross of course), I clearly signal, look before making a move and look while making a move, I stop at give way lines if I have to and I don't use my phone while riding, I'll be honest, I've seen many more motorists jump lights, not give way, using phones while driving, even reading a book or doing paper work at the wheel, all of which is illegal yet they get away with it compared to the tiny amount of cyclists that I see do it, even had some stupid bimbo cut me up and left hooked me in her little mercedes A class(a link to the vid http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=VWP4UCCRC

mY&feature=plcp ) to get onto kingsway and guess how much time she saved? That's right, a grand total of 0.00000 seconds because she still got caught at the lights and I was sat behind her, would she have done it to another car or even a moped, doubt it.

Please in that case train your cycing buddies because you are in the minority

good-gosh wrote:
Urban streets are shared spaces and not exclusive clearways for vehicles. 15 mph would be a more sensible maximum speed for all residential roads and busy high streets. 15 mph gives time for drivers to spot, map and anticipate the movements of children, animals, adults and maneuvering vehicles ahead, all of which may move into the road at any time and are often obscured by parked vehicles and street furniture. Some drivers may think it is not their concern to worry about pedestrians but those are the drivers who make these speed reductions so necessary.

Agreed, even as a cyclist (speed limits unless it's specifically states that it's for ALL vehicles don't apply to cyclists) I don't go much faster than 15 in town, normally because of zombie pedestrians who cross when I have a green to go because they're too busy talking, on the phone or messing around with some gadget or people pulling out without looking or even people stepping out from behind buses without looking.

geoff51 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

geoff51 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
Hampshire do have a unit that looks at road issues. Road Policing Unit. You may not see as many due to Government cuts. If you want to change this then the only thing you can do is write to your MP.

Need a separate service for reporting dangerous driving too, like London has with it's "roadsafe" service.

Safe in the knowledge that cyclists can do what they like without being identified?

Not at all torchie, did you know speed limits actually don't apply to cyclists, they only apply to motor vehicles?

AS far as you cyclists are concerned no laws apply to you thats why you are such an arrogant bunch of ROAD users!

Not at all, I stop at every red light and zebra crossing (that has people waiting to cross of course), I clearly signal, look before making a move and look while making a move, I stop at give way lines if I have to and I don't use my phone while riding, I'll be honest, I've seen many more motorists jump lights, not give way, using phones while driving, even reading a book or doing paper work at the wheel, all of which is illegal yet they get away with it compared to the tiny amount of cyclists that I see do it, even had some stupid bimbo cut me up and left hooked me in her little mercedes A class(a link to the vid http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=VWP4UCCRC


mY&feature=plcp ) to get onto kingsway and guess how much time she saved? That's right, a grand total of 0.00000 seconds because she still got caught at the lights and I was sat behind her, would she have done it to another car or even a moped, doubt it.

Please in that case train your cycing buddies because you are in the minority

That's why I also post bad cycling on my youtube channel though out of all the cyclists I saw today, only 4 broke the law, all riding on the path along dual carriageways but that's out of about 20+ cyclists that I passed which is nothing compared to all the motorists I see break the law.Speaking of law, I passed a cycling cop earlier on his MTB while I was on a bmx... I didn't see him go past for about 10 minutes, by the time he went past, I had already disarmed my bike alarm, unlocked it and got ready to ride after going in the shop, I think he'd be a little hopeless if I ended up going on the run, not that I would be on the run for anything.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Urban streets are shared spaces and not exclusive clearways for vehicles. 15 mph would be a more sensible maximum speed for all residential roads and busy high streets. 15 mph gives time for drivers to spot, map and anticipate the movements of children, animals, adults and maneuvering vehicles ahead, all of which may move into the road at any time and are often obscured by parked vehicles and street furniture. Some drivers may think it is not their concern to worry about pedestrians but those are the drivers who make these speed reductions so necessary.

Agreed, even as a cyclist (speed limits unless it's specifically states that it's for ALL vehicles don't apply to cyclists) I don't go much faster than 15 in town, normally because of zombie pedestrians who cross when I have a green to go because they're too busy talking, on the phone or messing around with some gadget or people pulling out without looking or even people stepping out from behind buses without looking.

'zombie pedestrians'...

Obviously they should be looking in all directions at all times just in case you happen to be in the vicinity, of course if you hit them it's the zombies fault. I mean, what do they expect?

What a pompous and sucky attitude.

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Urban streets are shared spaces and not exclusive clearways for vehicles. 15 mph would be a more sensible maximum speed for all residential roads and busy high streets. 15 mph gives time for drivers to spot, map and anticipate the movements of children, animals, adults and maneuvering vehicles ahead, all of which may move into the road at any time and are often obscured by parked vehicles and street furniture. Some drivers may think it is not their concern to worry about pedestrians but those are the drivers who make these speed reductions so necessary.

Agreed, even as a cyclist (speed limits unless it's specifically states that it's for ALL vehicles don't apply to cyclists) I don't go much faster than 15 in town, normally because of zombie pedestrians who cross when I have a green to go because they're too busy talking, on the phone or messing around with some gadget or people pulling out without looking or even people stepping out from behind buses without looking.

"zombie pedestrians" is a pretty good description at time's, when the s-too-dense arrive (the oversea's one's already have) it'll get even worse...

If you want to talk about bad driving, how about a double decker bus carrying school children travelling at 'excess speed' for the location/situation running a RED light (that had been for ~ 3 seconds) and the driver having to brake hard and turn to make a bend or go through an Armco barrier and plunge into a Highways Agency depot? Yes Luckett's again, 'job and knock' incentive doesn't help, the Transport Commissioner is already investigating Vision Travel, maybe Luckett's will be next, before we have another coach/bus crash! Google 'Lucketts red light' for the vid.

Shoong wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Urban streets are shared spaces and not exclusive clearways for vehicles. 15 mph would be a more sensible maximum speed for all residential roads and busy high streets. 15 mph gives time for drivers to spot, map and anticipate the movements of children, animals, adults and maneuvering vehicles ahead, all of which may move into the road at any time and are often obscured by parked vehicles and street furniture. Some drivers may think it is not their concern to worry about pedestrians but those are the drivers who make these speed reductions so necessary.

Agreed, even as a cyclist (speed limits unless it's specifically states that it's for ALL vehicles don't apply to cyclists) I don't go much faster than 15 in town, normally because of zombie pedestrians who cross when I have a green to go because they're too busy talking, on the phone or messing around with some gadget or people pulling out without looking or even people stepping out from behind buses without looking.

'zombie pedestrians'...

Obviously they should be looking in all directions at all times just in case you happen to be in the vicinity, of course if you hit them it's the zombies fault. I mean, what do they expect?

What a pompous and sucky attitude.

Not at all shoong, you should always be looking when crossing the road but when pedestrians are around I always have my brakes covered for if or when they step out into the road, sometimes they step out without looking when they're right in front of you and you can't avoid them in any way, see where I'm coming from now? People don't pay enough attention to their surroundings anymore and it gets people killed, no matter how you look at it, in the event that I'm not able to avoid hitting a pedestrian because they've stepped out a foot in front of me without looking, then it would be their fault.

Niel wrote:

Ginger_cyclist wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Urban streets are shared spaces and not exclusive clearways for vehicles. 15 mph would be a more sensible maximum speed for all residential roads and busy high streets. 15 mph gives time for drivers to spot, map and anticipate the movements of children, animals, adults and maneuvering vehicles ahead, all of which may move into the road at any time and are often obscured by parked vehicles and street furniture. Some drivers may think it is not their concern to worry about pedestrians but those are the drivers who make these speed reductions so necessary.

Agreed, even as a cyclist (speed limits unless it's specifically states that it's for ALL vehicles don't apply to cyclists) I don't go much faster than 15 in town, normally because of zombie pedestrians who cross when I have a green to go because they're too busy talking, on the phone or messing around with some gadget or people pulling out without looking or even people stepping out from behind buses without looking.

"zombie pedestrians" is a pretty good description at time's, when the s-too-dense arrive (the oversea's one's already have) it'll get even worse...

If you want to talk about bad driving, how about a double decker bus carrying school children travelling at 'excess speed' for the location/situation running a RED light (that had been for ~ 3 seconds) and the driver having to brake hard and turn to make a bend or go through an Armco barrier and plunge into a Highways Agency depot? Yes Luckett's again, 'job and knock' incentive doesn't help, the Transport Commissioner is already investigating Vision Travel, maybe Luckett's will be next, before we have another coach/bus crash! Google 'Lucketts red light' for the vid.

I knew vision were bad but I didn't know about luckets, I only know how bad vision are because I regularly saw there vehicles at Sparsholt college when I went there and you could see how damaged they were, some of their drivers had really bad attitudes too.