Expansion plans for primary schools in Southampton

Cllr Sarah Bogle

Cllr Sarah Bogle

First published in News

THREE more Southampton primary schools will be expanded to cope with a spaces crisis.

The schools – St John’s, Bevois Town and Bassett Green – will be extended through a council scheme to create hundreds more classroom places.

The shortage has been caused by rising birth rates, more people moving to the area and fewer taking their youngsters out of the city to be educated.

Each of the three schools will increase their admission by 30 places under proposals that will now go out to consultation.

Bassett Green Primary and Bevois Town Primary will expand their yearly intakes next September to 90 and 60 pupils.

St John’s Primary and Nursery School will increase its intake to 60 from September 2014. Around £3m of Government funding will be spent on new classrooms, conversions and extensions at the schools, which will ultimately see capacity double at St John’s and Bevois Town.

At Bassett Green, where six new classrooms could be built on existing playground space, the school has already added another class to its reception year intake this month as a temporary measure to help ease the crisis.

Head teacher Liz Filer said: “We don’t want children not to be in school on day one of Year R.

“This part of the city is under huge pressure in terms of places, and we’re all open to whatever ideas we can to make sure there is enough space.”

As previously reported in the Daily Echo, 70 Southampton children were set to start the academic year without a school place, based on figures provided at the end of the summer term.

But that figure has now risen to 90, a change caused largely by people moving to the city and applying for school places after the original deadline – although that figure still represents a drop in numbers from this time last year, when 107 youngsters were without school places.

A further 200 youngsters have begun their education at a school their parents hadn’t chosen, because of a shortage of space.

City education boss Cllr Sarah Bogle, pictured left, said the council is already facing the prospect of a third more primary places in 2015 than it did in 2008.

The authority is in the middle of a plan to expand 20 schools around the city, following on from moves to extend Springwell special school.

She said there were still children without a place at school but when pressed by other members to provide a date she said they would all be found places by the end of the month.

Cllr Bogle, said: “We’ve had huge demand in the city, particularly in the city centre, and that’s put huge pressure on funding, but we have secured some extra funding.

“We’re looking at a number of different ways of dealing with further expansion, but it’s a work in progress.”

Cllr Bogle added that space on sites was an issue and the council would be open to a number of ideas in order to ease the crisis in future years.

Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand.

He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.”

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12:51pm Fri 21 Sep 12

southy says...

Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand.
He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.”

This is also part of the problem when you hand schools over to private hands like Oasis, they just want the Americanise style super schools, and all ways ends up sooner or later one school to close.
We would be better off keeping more smaller schools, spead out this way sports would benefit from it to, as well as the kids by having at lest 2 schools close to them.
If private sector want to get involve into education let them find there own ground and build there own schools and pay the teachers and every else them selfs.
Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand. He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.” This is also part of the problem when you hand schools over to private hands like Oasis, they just want the Americanise style super schools, and all ways ends up sooner or later one school to close. We would be better off keeping more smaller schools, spead out this way sports would benefit from it to, as well as the kids by having at lest 2 schools close to them. If private sector want to get involve into education let them find there own ground and build there own schools and pay the teachers and every else them selfs. southy
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1:18pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand.
He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.”

This is also part of the problem when you hand schools over to private hands like Oasis, they just want the Americanise style super schools, and all ways ends up sooner or later one school to close.
We would be better off keeping more smaller schools, spead out this way sports would benefit from it to, as well as the kids by having at lest 2 schools close to them.
If private sector want to get involve into education let them find there own ground and build there own schools and pay the teachers and every else them selfs.
Ok, you've put an idea forward.

No explain how you would make it happen please.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand. He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.” This is also part of the problem when you hand schools over to private hands like Oasis, they just want the Americanise style super schools, and all ways ends up sooner or later one school to close. We would be better off keeping more smaller schools, spead out this way sports would benefit from it to, as well as the kids by having at lest 2 schools close to them. If private sector want to get involve into education let them find there own ground and build there own schools and pay the teachers and every else them selfs.[/p][/quote]Ok, you've put an idea forward. No explain how you would make it happen please. Shoong
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1:31pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Quote:- Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand.

He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.”
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Obviously the Tories couldnt do it properly themselves then
Quote:- Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand. He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.” . . Obviously the Tories couldnt do it properly themselves then Lone Ranger.
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1:46pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Over the Edge says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quote:- Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand.

He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.”
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Obviously the Tories couldnt do it properly themselves then
Totally agree, birth rate increases and people moving into the city, the Tories must have known the numbers of children requiring places in schools in 2012.

Mr Moulton, children start school 4 or 5 years after being born, Why didn't you plan when you and your Tory chums were in power?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quote:- Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand. He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.” . . Obviously the Tories couldnt do it properly themselves then[/p][/quote]Totally agree, birth rate increases and people moving into the city, the Tories must have known the numbers of children requiring places in schools in 2012. Mr Moulton, children start school 4 or 5 years after being born, Why didn't you plan when you and your Tory chums were in power? Over the Edge
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1:47pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quote:- Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand.

He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.”
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Obviously the Tories couldnt do it properly themselves then
So by this reckoning, the current Labour council will have had 4 years to 'sort it out' by the next elections.

Good luck, but I'm not optimistic.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quote:- Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand. He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.” . . Obviously the Tories couldnt do it properly themselves then[/p][/quote]So by this reckoning, the current Labour council will have had 4 years to 'sort it out' by the next elections. Good luck, but I'm not optimistic. Shoong
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2:13pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Shoong wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quote:- Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand.

He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.”
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Obviously the Tories couldnt do it properly themselves then
So by this reckoning, the current Labour council will have had 4 years to 'sort it out' by the next elections.

Good luck, but I'm not optimistic.
Have more faith ...... in just over two years time there will be a Labour government ....... and hopefully with a PM that can make decisions without a copious amount of U-Turns, and who may just have the Countries interest at heart ...... as oppsed to being someone described as Slippery
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quote:- Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand. He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.” . . Obviously the Tories couldnt do it properly themselves then[/p][/quote]So by this reckoning, the current Labour council will have had 4 years to 'sort it out' by the next elections. Good luck, but I'm not optimistic.[/p][/quote]Have more faith ...... in just over two years time there will be a Labour government ....... and hopefully with a PM that can make decisions without a copious amount of U-Turns, and who may just have the Countries interest at heart ...... as oppsed to being someone described as Slippery Lone Ranger.
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2:51pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quote:- Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand.

He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.”
.
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Obviously the Tories couldnt do it properly themselves then
So by this reckoning, the current Labour council will have had 4 years to 'sort it out' by the next elections.

Good luck, but I'm not optimistic.
Have more faith ...... in just over two years time there will be a Labour government ....... and hopefully with a PM that can make decisions without a copious amount of U-Turns, and who may just have the Countries interest at heart ...... as oppsed to being someone described as Slippery
Going by the last time a Labour government was in, it doesn't fill me with confidence and just to off track slightly I don't believe any Labour government cn succeed with Ed Milliband as captain.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quote:- Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand. He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.” . . Obviously the Tories couldnt do it properly themselves then[/p][/quote]So by this reckoning, the current Labour council will have had 4 years to 'sort it out' by the next elections. Good luck, but I'm not optimistic.[/p][/quote]Have more faith ...... in just over two years time there will be a Labour government ....... and hopefully with a PM that can make decisions without a copious amount of U-Turns, and who may just have the Countries interest at heart ...... as oppsed to being someone described as Slippery[/p][/quote]Going by the last time a Labour government was in, it doesn't fill me with confidence and just to off track slightly I don't believe any Labour government cn succeed with Ed Milliband as captain. Shoong
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2:57pm Fri 21 Sep 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quote:- Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand.

He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.”
.
.
Obviously the Tories couldnt do it properly themselves then
So by this reckoning, the current Labour council will have had 4 years to 'sort it out' by the next elections.

Good luck, but I'm not optimistic.
Have more faith ...... in just over two years time there will be a Labour government ....... and hopefully with a PM that can make decisions without a copious amount of U-Turns, and who may just have the Countries interest at heart ...... as oppsed to being someone described as Slippery
Going by the last time a Labour government was in, it doesn't fill me with confidence and just to off track slightly I don't believe any Labour government cn succeed with Ed Milliband as captain.
Yes I remember well what was said by Blair on going into number 10 downing street "There will be no change in Thatcher Policys" and what was it Miliban said so far "We want good Capitalism" and "We want resposible Capitalism" So when we get the next Labour Government there will be no change still, we will still have Thacters Policy running the country.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quote:- Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand. He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.” . . Obviously the Tories couldnt do it properly themselves then[/p][/quote]So by this reckoning, the current Labour council will have had 4 years to 'sort it out' by the next elections. Good luck, but I'm not optimistic.[/p][/quote]Have more faith ...... in just over two years time there will be a Labour government ....... and hopefully with a PM that can make decisions without a copious amount of U-Turns, and who may just have the Countries interest at heart ...... as oppsed to being someone described as Slippery[/p][/quote]Going by the last time a Labour government was in, it doesn't fill me with confidence and just to off track slightly I don't believe any Labour government cn succeed with Ed Milliband as captain.[/p][/quote]Yes I remember well what was said by Blair on going into number 10 downing street "There will be no change in Thatcher Policys" and what was it Miliban said so far "We want good Capitalism" and "We want resposible Capitalism" So when we get the next Labour Government there will be no change still, we will still have Thacters Policy running the country. southy
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3:00pm Fri 21 Sep 12

housewife says...

Southy
In what way are the Oasis schools "super schools" ?
Deman for them is so low that they are a FRACTION of the size of the Hampshire comps.
Oasis has under 500 on roll, Kings Winchester has over 1600
and what is WRONG with large secondaries?
They provide opportunities for more kids to do more things.
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I'd like to know where all these city centre kids are going to go to Secondary school in two years time though ......
From by the Dell up to Cantell is rather a trek methinks ....
Southy In what way are the Oasis schools "super schools" ? Deman for them is so low that they are a FRACTION of the size of the Hampshire comps. Oasis has under 500 on roll, Kings Winchester has over 1600 and what is WRONG with large secondaries? They provide opportunities for more kids to do more things. . I'd like to know where all these city centre kids are going to go to Secondary school in two years time though ...... From by the Dell up to Cantell is rather a trek methinks .... housewife
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3:04pm Fri 21 Sep 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand.
He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.”

This is also part of the problem when you hand schools over to private hands like Oasis, they just want the Americanise style super schools, and all ways ends up sooner or later one school to close.
We would be better off keeping more smaller schools, spead out this way sports would benefit from it to, as well as the kids by having at lest 2 schools close to them.
If private sector want to get involve into education let them find there own ground and build there own schools and pay the teachers and every else them selfs.
Ok, you've put an idea forward.

No explain how you would make it happen please.
Don't need explaining at all, We see the closure of Millbrook and Oaklands Schools now, and the opening on this one super size American School called Oasis, less chances of kids beening able to take part in school sports team, kids having to walk a greater distance to get to a school, and what happens when Oasis no longer wants to take part in education or if they go bank rupt, what happens to the kids and school having to be closed down and sold off.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand. He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.” This is also part of the problem when you hand schools over to private hands like Oasis, they just want the Americanise style super schools, and all ways ends up sooner or later one school to close. We would be better off keeping more smaller schools, spead out this way sports would benefit from it to, as well as the kids by having at lest 2 schools close to them. If private sector want to get involve into education let them find there own ground and build there own schools and pay the teachers and every else them selfs.[/p][/quote]Ok, you've put an idea forward. No explain how you would make it happen please.[/p][/quote]Don't need explaining at all, We see the closure of Millbrook and Oaklands Schools now, and the opening on this one super size American School called Oasis, less chances of kids beening able to take part in school sports team, kids having to walk a greater distance to get to a school, and what happens when Oasis no longer wants to take part in education or if they go bank rupt, what happens to the kids and school having to be closed down and sold off. southy
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3:13pm Fri 21 Sep 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

portacabins for classrooms and no playground ,thats progress ,more like third world.
portacabins for classrooms and no playground ,thats progress ,more like third world. arthur dalyrimple
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3:22pm Fri 21 Sep 12

loosehead says...

Right these are primary school expansions aren't they?
So Southy what the hell has it got to do with Oasis?
School numbers were dropping & all councils were having to cut schools no matter what their politics are.
Funny since the 3million+ eastern Europeans have come here that the amount of children being born has increased & the remaining schools aren't big enough or is this just coincidence?
Do we bulldoze houses or do away with school playing fields to build new schools?
or is this just a blip?
Why not talk to the MOD & see if we can use the huts at Blighmont as a temporary school until we can see if this is going to be the norm? (birth rates) & if it is we can look where to build the schools or maybe add layers to the existing buildings ( go up)
Right these are primary school expansions aren't they? So Southy what the hell has it got to do with Oasis? School numbers were dropping & all councils were having to cut schools no matter what their politics are. Funny since the 3million+ eastern Europeans have come here that the amount of children being born has increased & the remaining schools aren't big enough or is this just coincidence? Do we bulldoze houses or do away with school playing fields to build new schools? or is this just a blip? Why not talk to the MOD & see if we can use the huts at Blighmont as a temporary school until we can see if this is going to be the norm? (birth rates) & if it is we can look where to build the schools or maybe add layers to the existing buildings ( go up) loosehead
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3:30pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Lone Ranger. says...

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
portacabins for classrooms and no playground ,thats progress ,more like third world.
Youre right, and all we wany now is for the kids to have a single exam at school when they leave and it will be like going back 30 years ......... what do you mean thats whats going to happen !!!
[quote][p][bold]arthur dalyrimple[/bold] wrote: portacabins for classrooms and no playground ,thats progress ,more like third world.[/p][/quote]Youre right, and all we wany now is for the kids to have a single exam at school when they leave and it will be like going back 30 years ......... what do you mean thats whats going to happen !!! Lone Ranger.
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3:35pm Fri 21 Sep 12

aldermoorboy says...

Tories did a great job for Southampton in their 4 year term.
I believe Jeremy has a good reputation within local schools and I am sure he would help Sarah Boyle if she wanted help.
Good luck Sarah in your important role.
Tories did a great job for Southampton in their 4 year term. I believe Jeremy has a good reputation within local schools and I am sure he would help Sarah Boyle if she wanted help. Good luck Sarah in your important role. aldermoorboy
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4:00pm Fri 21 Sep 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
Right these are primary school expansions aren't they?
So Southy what the hell has it got to do with Oasis?
School numbers were dropping & all councils were having to cut schools no matter what their politics are.
Funny since the 3million+ eastern Europeans have come here that the amount of children being born has increased & the remaining schools aren't big enough or is this just coincidence?
Do we bulldoze houses or do away with school playing fields to build new schools?
or is this just a blip?
Why not talk to the MOD & see if we can use the huts at Blighmont as a temporary school until we can see if this is going to be the norm? (birth rates) & if it is we can look where to build the schools or maybe add layers to the existing buildings ( go up)
A lot loose, Oasis close down 2 schools only to open 1 large american style, those 2 schools could take more kids in total than is new Oasis school can.
Funny thing about Population it tends to increase all the time, its only the rate of the increase that slows down, never the population number (unless there is a major war or big natural disaster)
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Right these are primary school expansions aren't they? So Southy what the hell has it got to do with Oasis? School numbers were dropping & all councils were having to cut schools no matter what their politics are. Funny since the 3million+ eastern Europeans have come here that the amount of children being born has increased & the remaining schools aren't big enough or is this just coincidence? Do we bulldoze houses or do away with school playing fields to build new schools? or is this just a blip? Why not talk to the MOD & see if we can use the huts at Blighmont as a temporary school until we can see if this is going to be the norm? (birth rates) & if it is we can look where to build the schools or maybe add layers to the existing buildings ( go up)[/p][/quote]A lot loose, Oasis close down 2 schools only to open 1 large american style, those 2 schools could take more kids in total than is new Oasis school can. Funny thing about Population it tends to increase all the time, its only the rate of the increase that slows down, never the population number (unless there is a major war or big natural disaster) southy
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4:40pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand.
He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.”

This is also part of the problem when you hand schools over to private hands like Oasis, they just want the Americanise style super schools, and all ways ends up sooner or later one school to close.
We would be better off keeping more smaller schools, spead out this way sports would benefit from it to, as well as the kids by having at lest 2 schools close to them.
If private sector want to get involve into education let them find there own ground and build there own schools and pay the teachers and every else them selfs.
Ok, you've put an idea forward.

No explain how you would make it happen please.
Don't need explaining at all, We see the closure of Millbrook and Oaklands Schools now, and the opening on this one super size American School called Oasis, less chances of kids beening able to take part in school sports team, kids having to walk a greater distance to get to a school, and what happens when Oasis no longer wants to take part in education or if they go bank rupt, what happens to the kids and school having to be closed down and sold off.
Right - 'it don't need explaining at all'.

As a potential councillor you might want to change this mode of thinking when the people you represent require explanations of your policies. Ho-hum.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand. He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.” This is also part of the problem when you hand schools over to private hands like Oasis, they just want the Americanise style super schools, and all ways ends up sooner or later one school to close. We would be better off keeping more smaller schools, spead out this way sports would benefit from it to, as well as the kids by having at lest 2 schools close to them. If private sector want to get involve into education let them find there own ground and build there own schools and pay the teachers and every else them selfs.[/p][/quote]Ok, you've put an idea forward. No explain how you would make it happen please.[/p][/quote]Don't need explaining at all, We see the closure of Millbrook and Oaklands Schools now, and the opening on this one super size American School called Oasis, less chances of kids beening able to take part in school sports team, kids having to walk a greater distance to get to a school, and what happens when Oasis no longer wants to take part in education or if they go bank rupt, what happens to the kids and school having to be closed down and sold off.[/p][/quote]Right - 'it don't need explaining at all'. As a potential councillor you might want to change this mode of thinking when the people you represent require explanations of your policies. Ho-hum. Shoong
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4:52pm Fri 21 Sep 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand.
He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.”

This is also part of the problem when you hand schools over to private hands like Oasis, they just want the Americanise style super schools, and all ways ends up sooner or later one school to close.
We would be better off keeping more smaller schools, spead out this way sports would benefit from it to, as well as the kids by having at lest 2 schools close to them.
If private sector want to get involve into education let them find there own ground and build there own schools and pay the teachers and every else them selfs.
Ok, you've put an idea forward.

No explain how you would make it happen please.
Don't need explaining at all, We see the closure of Millbrook and Oaklands Schools now, and the opening on this one super size American School called Oasis, less chances of kids beening able to take part in school sports team, kids having to walk a greater distance to get to a school, and what happens when Oasis no longer wants to take part in education or if they go bank rupt, what happens to the kids and school having to be closed down and sold off.
Right - 'it don't need explaining at all'.

As a potential councillor you might want to change this mode of thinking when the people you represent require explanations of your policies. Ho-hum.
No it don't seeing you can not use your brain, think about this and try and get a solution to.

*What happens when Oasis do not want to be part of Education or worse still they go bankrupt and the school having to close and be sold of to a developer, what happens to those kids then with no school to be able to take them in, just think of the cost then, not just in lost education but in money to finence a new building or to buy the school builting of private hands, its going to alot greater than if they left thing as they where and just improve the old schools, and tell the private sector if you want to get into edcation then they would need to finence it all them self.
I am not saying keep the private sector out of education, i am saying state schools should not be sold off to the private sector, private sector should buy there own land of the private sector and not get it cheap of the state. they should pay for the building and the fitting out and teachers and every else.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Jeremy Moulton , who is also the Conservatives ’ schools spokesman, said the Labour -run council needed to ensure there was a plan in place for next year to cope with more demand. He said: “This is two years running where we’ve struggled to find children places and we need to get it right.” This is also part of the problem when you hand schools over to private hands like Oasis, they just want the Americanise style super schools, and all ways ends up sooner or later one school to close. We would be better off keeping more smaller schools, spead out this way sports would benefit from it to, as well as the kids by having at lest 2 schools close to them. If private sector want to get involve into education let them find there own ground and build there own schools and pay the teachers and every else them selfs.[/p][/quote]Ok, you've put an idea forward. No explain how you would make it happen please.[/p][/quote]Don't need explaining at all, We see the closure of Millbrook and Oaklands Schools now, and the opening on this one super size American School called Oasis, less chances of kids beening able to take part in school sports team, kids having to walk a greater distance to get to a school, and what happens when Oasis no longer wants to take part in education or if they go bank rupt, what happens to the kids and school having to be closed down and sold off.[/p][/quote]Right - 'it don't need explaining at all'. As a potential councillor you might want to change this mode of thinking when the people you represent require explanations of your policies. Ho-hum.[/p][/quote]No it don't seeing you can not use your brain, think about this and try and get a solution to. *What happens when Oasis do not want to be part of Education or worse still they go bankrupt and the school having to close and be sold of to a developer, what happens to those kids then with no school to be able to take them in, just think of the cost then, not just in lost education but in money to finence a new building or to buy the school builting of private hands, its going to alot greater than if they left thing as they where and just improve the old schools, and tell the private sector if you want to get into edcation then they would need to finence it all them self. I am not saying keep the private sector out of education, i am saying state schools should not be sold off to the private sector, private sector should buy there own land of the private sector and not get it cheap of the state. they should pay for the building and the fitting out and teachers and every else. southy
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9:07pm Fri 21 Sep 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Right these are primary school expansions aren't they?
So Southy what the hell has it got to do with Oasis?
School numbers were dropping & all councils were having to cut schools no matter what their politics are.
Funny since the 3million+ eastern Europeans have come here that the amount of children being born has increased & the remaining schools aren't big enough or is this just coincidence?
Do we bulldoze houses or do away with school playing fields to build new schools?
or is this just a blip?
Why not talk to the MOD & see if we can use the huts at Blighmont as a temporary school until we can see if this is going to be the norm? (birth rates) & if it is we can look where to build the schools or maybe add layers to the existing buildings ( go up)
A lot loose, Oasis close down 2 schools only to open 1 large american style, those 2 schools could take more kids in total than is new Oasis school can.
Funny thing about Population it tends to increase all the time, its only the rate of the increase that slows down, never the population number (unless there is a major war or big natural disaster)
Southy Oasis Academy to get it's title right was Tony Blairs baby he actually asked Oasis to get into secondary schooling & as it's primary schools that are effected & junior schools not secondary schools.
back when I went to secondary school Oaklands wasn't even thought about & the classes were considerably larger than they are now.
Fairisle is the school that will be effected & as it's built like a lego construction could it have another tier built?
If my memory is correct didn't the East of the city way back in Labours reign not have enough Junior & infants school places?
As I said this isn't down to any particular party but exactly how do you solve it?
do you build a new school only for a few years down the line for it to sit empty with a target sign for yobs?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Right these are primary school expansions aren't they? So Southy what the hell has it got to do with Oasis? School numbers were dropping & all councils were having to cut schools no matter what their politics are. Funny since the 3million+ eastern Europeans have come here that the amount of children being born has increased & the remaining schools aren't big enough or is this just coincidence? Do we bulldoze houses or do away with school playing fields to build new schools? or is this just a blip? Why not talk to the MOD & see if we can use the huts at Blighmont as a temporary school until we can see if this is going to be the norm? (birth rates) & if it is we can look where to build the schools or maybe add layers to the existing buildings ( go up)[/p][/quote]A lot loose, Oasis close down 2 schools only to open 1 large american style, those 2 schools could take more kids in total than is new Oasis school can. Funny thing about Population it tends to increase all the time, its only the rate of the increase that slows down, never the population number (unless there is a major war or big natural disaster)[/p][/quote]Southy Oasis Academy to get it's title right was Tony Blairs baby he actually asked Oasis to get into secondary schooling & as it's primary schools that are effected & junior schools not secondary schools. back when I went to secondary school Oaklands wasn't even thought about & the classes were considerably larger than they are now. Fairisle is the school that will be effected & as it's built like a lego construction could it have another tier built? If my memory is correct didn't the East of the city way back in Labours reign not have enough Junior & infants school places? As I said this isn't down to any particular party but exactly how do you solve it? do you build a new school only for a few years down the line for it to sit empty with a target sign for yobs? loosehead
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2:10pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Vonnie says...

Ever since schooling became compulsory in the late 19th century, all authorities have had problems with forecasting, and getting right, just how many pupil places will be needed in any given area at any given time, and for how long.
What's new? Grow up, all of you. Instead of blowing your particular political party's trumpet, come up with a practical solution. In fact, I would say that there isn't an overall one because there are too many variables within the equation.
Ever since schooling became compulsory in the late 19th century, all authorities have had problems with forecasting, and getting right, just how many pupil places will be needed in any given area at any given time, and for how long. What's new? Grow up, all of you. Instead of blowing your particular political party's trumpet, come up with a practical solution. In fact, I would say that there isn't an overall one because there are too many variables within the equation. Vonnie
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3:31pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Poppy22 says...

Instead of continually building "executive" style housing and new business parks, which just bring people in from outside our area, get the infrastructure right and sort the schools, roads, etc.
Greedy, power-hungry, councils and government, as always, whatever the politics!
Time for some common sense.
Instead of continually building "executive" style housing and new business parks, which just bring people in from outside our area, get the infrastructure right and sort the schools, roads, etc. Greedy, power-hungry, councils and government, as always, whatever the politics! Time for some common sense. Poppy22
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9:48pm Sat 22 Sep 12

loosehead says...

Poppy22 wrote:
Instead of continually building "executive" style housing and new business parks, which just bring people in from outside our area, get the infrastructure right and sort the schools, roads, etc.
Greedy, power-hungry, councils and government, as always, whatever the politics!
Time for some common sense.
poppy after seeing what developers have done to richmond rd & others in that area I can't believe any party has got it right.
they were large family homes with decent gardens now they're either bedsits with a block of flats in the back garden or they're gone to be replaced with flats.
this is high density housing 7 to put that many people in that small area with extra children,cars & adults the infrastructure can't cope.
this is now happening to areas most families would kill to live in it's about time we used the planning laws & stopped family homes from being demolished or turn't into flats & for gardens from being built on.
The laws are there it's up to the individual council.
if we don't & it continues no matter how many schools,doctor surgeries or dentists we build it won't be enough
[quote][p][bold]Poppy22[/bold] wrote: Instead of continually building "executive" style housing and new business parks, which just bring people in from outside our area, get the infrastructure right and sort the schools, roads, etc. Greedy, power-hungry, councils and government, as always, whatever the politics! Time for some common sense.[/p][/quote]poppy after seeing what developers have done to richmond rd & others in that area I can't believe any party has got it right. they were large family homes with decent gardens now they're either bedsits with a block of flats in the back garden or they're gone to be replaced with flats. this is high density housing 7 to put that many people in that small area with extra children,cars & adults the infrastructure can't cope. this is now happening to areas most families would kill to live in it's about time we used the planning laws & stopped family homes from being demolished or turn't into flats & for gardens from being built on. The laws are there it's up to the individual council. if we don't & it continues no matter how many schools,doctor surgeries or dentists we build it won't be enough loosehead
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