Road gritters threaten winter strike action

Daily Echo: Road gritters threaten winter strike action Road gritters threaten winter strike action

HAMPSHIRE’S road gritters are threatening to cause “huge disruption” by going on strike this winter in a dispute over pay cuts.

The industrial action by around 150 workers would cause travel chaos on county’s A and B roads as workers walk out.

Union leaders have threatened strike action that would see roads ungritted and pot holes unrepaired.

They have accused Amey, which employs the road maintenance workers under a contract with the county council, of seeking to cut overtime payments and other terms and conditions to boost profits.

Unite, which represents the majority of road gritters, said its members had already voted unanimously to reject the company’s proposals.

Unison and GMB are also in dispute with Amey.

Unite regional officer Malcolm Bonnett said a strike ballot will be launched if the company fails to come back by the end of next week with improved proposals for negotiation.

He said: “The workforce is totally united and will defend their livelihoods.

“Unfortunately, if industrial action goes ahead, the gritting of roads won’t happen in the comprehensive fashion that would need to be done during a severe cold snap. Huge disruption is on the cards.

“Our members really don’t want this, as it will increase the hazards for motorists – but they are victims of Amey’s greedy quest for profits.”

Mr Bonnett said workers were already low paid, earning around £15,000 a year, and relied on overtime at up to double time to support their families and pay their bills.

Amey made a profit of £83m last year on total revenues of £1.1 billion, including an operating profit of £14.6m from its local government division which makes up just over a third of the group’s turnover.

Amey said its proposals would increase basic pay and improve holiday entitlement and sick pay for many workers.

It said it remained committed to reaching a deal that employees were happy with and until consultation with employees and trade unions was concluded no changes will be implemented. A further meeting with unions is planned for next week, a spokeswoman said.

Hampshire County Council awarded Amey a seven-year £245m contract to maintain the county’s highways in 2008 and signed a further one-year extension in April taking the deal until 2016. Amey replaced Balfour Beatty.

Councillor Mel Kendal, the council’s executive member for transport, said he hoped the dispute would be resolved but said the authority would “take all necessary steps to keep Hampshire moving”.

“We are working with Amey to ensure that we have plans in place to ensure that winter salting of A and B roads would be carried out as needed,” he said.

Amey is owned by Spanish infrastructure giant Ferrovial, which also owns Southampton airport operator BAA.

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12:54pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Just another reader says...

Did have to smile when I saw one being driven along the Marchwood bypass this morning, the sun was glinting off its plough!
Did have to smile when I saw one being driven along the Marchwood bypass this morning, the sun was glinting off its plough! Just another reader

1:04pm Fri 21 Sep 12

southy says...

Amey have no excuses of not sorting out this dispute before the cold weather comes (unless it happens in the next few weeks) they have been given plenty of time to be able to.
If amey fails to come to some sort of agreement with the unions then they should lose the contract.
Amey have no excuses of not sorting out this dispute before the cold weather comes (unless it happens in the next few weeks) they have been given plenty of time to be able to. If amey fails to come to some sort of agreement with the unions then they should lose the contract. southy

1:17pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Nothing about the demands these guys feel they are entitled to in the article.
Nothing about the demands these guys feel they are entitled to in the article. Shoong

1:17pm Fri 21 Sep 12

MGRA says...

actually the roads will not remain ungritted since there is a statutory obligation to do so, so someone else will do it while these lazy overpaid union puppets play x-box this winter.
actually the roads will not remain ungritted since there is a statutory obligation to do so, so someone else will do it while these lazy overpaid union puppets play x-box this winter. MGRA

1:23pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Inform Al says...

Many years ago when the gritters were out on strike I had to collect my Mother in Law from Ramsgate and bring her back to the Medway Towns where I lived at the time. New years eve it decided to snow heavily but I mistakenly thought all would be well when I reached the M2. How wrong I was the drive was a nightmare both ways. The good thing however was that the M-I=L was so scared she never said a word all the way back.
Many years ago when the gritters were out on strike I had to collect my Mother in Law from Ramsgate and bring her back to the Medway Towns where I lived at the time. New years eve it decided to snow heavily but I mistakenly thought all would be well when I reached the M2. How wrong I was the drive was a nightmare both ways. The good thing however was that the M-I=L was so scared she never said a word all the way back. Inform Al

1:33pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Goldenwight says...

southy wrote:
Amey have no excuses of not sorting out this dispute before the cold weather comes (unless it happens in the next few weeks) they have been given plenty of time to be able to.
If amey fails to come to some sort of agreement with the unions then they should lose the contract.
Maybe the contract could be awarded to G4S, after that sterling job they did organising security at the Olympics?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Amey have no excuses of not sorting out this dispute before the cold weather comes (unless it happens in the next few weeks) they have been given plenty of time to be able to. If amey fails to come to some sort of agreement with the unions then they should lose the contract.[/p][/quote]Maybe the contract could be awarded to G4S, after that sterling job they did organising security at the Olympics? Goldenwight

1:35pm Fri 21 Sep 12

bigfella777 says...

These people wouldnt know hardship if it was shovel shaped and smacked them in the face.Spineless,give the jobs to Poles.
These people wouldnt know hardship if it was shovel shaped and smacked them in the face.Spineless,give the jobs to Poles. bigfella777

1:51pm Fri 21 Sep 12

roofspace says...

bigfella777 wrote:
These people wouldnt know hardship if it was shovel shaped and smacked them in the face.Spineless,give the jobs to Poles.
Are suggesting that financial hardship is something to aspire too and should be an ambition to aim for?
Spineless for wanting a living wage?
Give the jobs to the Poles?
Why brand them as dumb as you?
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: These people wouldnt know hardship if it was shovel shaped and smacked them in the face.Spineless,give the jobs to Poles.[/p][/quote]Are suggesting that financial hardship is something to aspire too and should be an ambition to aim for? Spineless for wanting a living wage? Give the jobs to the Poles? Why brand them as dumb as you? roofspace

1:53pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Dave of Dibden says...

I can do that, it's only driving a lorry full of sand
I can do that, it's only driving a lorry full of sand Dave of Dibden

1:56pm Fri 21 Sep 12

sarfhamton says...

£15k a year is not a living wage in 2012, good luck to them.
£15k a year is not a living wage in 2012, good luck to them. sarfhamton

1:57pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Goldenwight wrote:
southy wrote:
Amey have no excuses of not sorting out this dispute before the cold weather comes (unless it happens in the next few weeks) they have been given plenty of time to be able to.
If amey fails to come to some sort of agreement with the unions then they should lose the contract.
Maybe the contract could be awarded to G4S, after that sterling job they did organising security at the Olympics?
Your right, G4S should have used staff already on the pay roll to force those lazy knobbers out bed.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Amey have no excuses of not sorting out this dispute before the cold weather comes (unless it happens in the next few weeks) they have been given plenty of time to be able to. If amey fails to come to some sort of agreement with the unions then they should lose the contract.[/p][/quote]Maybe the contract could be awarded to G4S, after that sterling job they did organising security at the Olympics?[/p][/quote]Your right, G4S should have used staff already on the pay roll to force those lazy knobbers out bed. Shoong

1:58pm Fri 21 Sep 12

southy says...

Goldenwight wrote:
southy wrote:
Amey have no excuses of not sorting out this dispute before the cold weather comes (unless it happens in the next few weeks) they have been given plenty of time to be able to.
If amey fails to come to some sort of agreement with the unions then they should lose the contract.
Maybe the contract could be awarded to G4S, after that sterling job they did organising security at the Olympics?
lol
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Amey have no excuses of not sorting out this dispute before the cold weather comes (unless it happens in the next few weeks) they have been given plenty of time to be able to. If amey fails to come to some sort of agreement with the unions then they should lose the contract.[/p][/quote]Maybe the contract could be awarded to G4S, after that sterling job they did organising security at the Olympics?[/p][/quote]lol southy

2:01pm Fri 21 Sep 12

MGRA says...

yes, polish people can drive trucks and are not interested in lining the pockets of millionaire union leaders.. give the contract to them... super idea....
yes, polish people can drive trucks and are not interested in lining the pockets of millionaire union leaders.. give the contract to them... super idea.... MGRA

2:13pm Fri 21 Sep 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
southy wrote:
Amey have no excuses of not sorting out this dispute before the cold weather comes (unless it happens in the next few weeks) they have been given plenty of time to be able to.
If amey fails to come to some sort of agreement with the unions then they should lose the contract.
Maybe the contract could be awarded to G4S, after that sterling job they did organising security at the Olympics?
Your right, G4S should have used staff already on the pay roll to force those lazy knobbers out bed.
That was the problem they could not. they did not want to pay any expenses in lodging or traveling money.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Amey have no excuses of not sorting out this dispute before the cold weather comes (unless it happens in the next few weeks) they have been given plenty of time to be able to. If amey fails to come to some sort of agreement with the unions then they should lose the contract.[/p][/quote]Maybe the contract could be awarded to G4S, after that sterling job they did organising security at the Olympics?[/p][/quote]Your right, G4S should have used staff already on the pay roll to force those lazy knobbers out bed.[/p][/quote]That was the problem they could not. they did not want to pay any expenses in lodging or traveling money. southy

2:17pm Fri 21 Sep 12

southy says...

MGRA wrote:
actually the roads will not remain ungritted since there is a statutory obligation to do so, so someone else will do it while these lazy overpaid union puppets play x-box this winter.
The obligation falls on the local council and not the contractors or any person that get out to grit the roads, Gritting roads to the worker who do this job, it is over time work.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: actually the roads will not remain ungritted since there is a statutory obligation to do so, so someone else will do it while these lazy overpaid union puppets play x-box this winter.[/p][/quote]The obligation falls on the local council and not the contractors or any person that get out to grit the roads, Gritting roads to the worker who do this job, it is over time work. southy

2:17pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Dave of Dibden wrote:
I can do that, it's only driving a lorry full of sand
Almost !!! ...... but you may have overlooked something ...... Its not sand, hence "gritters" and you do have to put some on the road as opposed to just carrying around.
.
Apart from that you were spot on !!!
[quote][p][bold]Dave of Dibden[/bold] wrote: I can do that, it's only driving a lorry full of sand[/p][/quote]Almost !!! ...... but you may have overlooked something ...... Its not sand, hence "gritters" and you do have to put some on the road as opposed to just carrying around. . Apart from that you were spot on !!! Lone Ranger.

2:20pm Fri 21 Sep 12

southy says...

MGRA wrote:
yes, polish people can drive trucks and are not interested in lining the pockets of millionaire union leaders.. give the contract to them... super idea....
Fine if you what to pay for them to be train in plant opperation. I don't think the polish would pay out for this plant opperator ticket.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: yes, polish people can drive trucks and are not interested in lining the pockets of millionaire union leaders.. give the contract to them... super idea....[/p][/quote]Fine if you what to pay for them to be train in plant opperation. I don't think the polish would pay out for this plant opperator ticket. southy

2:43pm Fri 21 Sep 12

bazzeroz says...

That's ok. The army will do it. Convoys of Bedford lorries with 'payback' convicts in the back with shovels.......... lovely jubbly!!
That's ok. The army will do it. Convoys of Bedford lorries with 'payback' convicts in the back with shovels.......... lovely jubbly!! bazzeroz

2:56pm Fri 21 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

I come from a union-minded family background where it was firmly believed that the working man should always have the right to withdraw his labour, should the need arise.

Arthur Skargill brought the unions into disrepute, and Margaret Thatcher made them a dirty word.

And that's what we have today : "disreputable, dirty words" threatening to cause chaos if they don't get their way, like the ISB (Infamous Southampton Binmen) last year. It's tempting to think that the ordinary working man is just a puppet of the extreme Left, but have the rank and file become so isolated that they don't give a d amn what trouble they cause or who they hurt in their blinkered quest to grab what they can ?

It has always been the way here. The least intelligent people do the toughest but essential jobs that no one else wants to do. That puts them in a very strong position when it comes to making demands, reasonable or otherwise. The dockers, the miners, the binmen.

The trouble is we are such selfish, uncaring people that we don't think about those doing the dirty jobs until they refuse to do it for some reason. Then they are "lazy scum that ought to get off their backsides and get on with it". What do most of us really know about those men and those jobs, eh ? So long as the bins are emptied, and the roads gritted, then "stuff 'em".

Yes they are isolated. Right at the bottom of the social scale, but they have one valuable asset : power. Let's hope the bright young negoiators get it right, cos them roads ain't gonna be much cop covered in ice.
I come from a union-minded family background where it was firmly believed that the working man should always have the right to withdraw his labour, should the need arise. Arthur Skargill brought the unions into disrepute, and Margaret Thatcher made them a dirty word. And that's what we have today : "disreputable, dirty words" threatening to cause chaos if they don't get their way, like the ISB (Infamous Southampton Binmen) last year. It's tempting to think that the ordinary working man is just a puppet of the extreme Left, but have the rank and file become so isolated that they don't give a d amn what trouble they cause or who they hurt in their blinkered quest to grab what they can ? It has always been the way here. The least intelligent people do the toughest but essential jobs that no one else wants to do. That puts them in a very strong position when it comes to making demands, reasonable or otherwise. The dockers, the miners, the binmen. The trouble is we are such selfish, uncaring people that we don't think about those doing the dirty jobs until they refuse to do it for some reason. Then they are "lazy scum that ought to get off their backsides and get on with it". What do most of us really know about those men and those jobs, eh ? So long as the bins are emptied, and the roads gritted, then "stuff 'em". Yes they are isolated. Right at the bottom of the social scale, but they have one valuable asset : power. Let's hope the bright young negoiators get it right, cos them roads ain't gonna be much cop covered in ice. BillyTheKid

3:16pm Fri 21 Sep 12

saintalive'n'kicking says...

So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then.

And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!!
So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then. And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!! saintalive'n'kicking

3:21pm Fri 21 Sep 12

ToastyTea says...

sarfhamton wrote:
£15k a year is not a living wage in 2012, good luck to them.
As somebody on basically the same wage (from one of the largest richest companies in the city too) I can sympathise with these guys and hope they get somewhere, their jobs are alot harder then mine aswell (being I sit on a computer all day) and am very surprised they are on so little.
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: £15k a year is not a living wage in 2012, good luck to them.[/p][/quote]As somebody on basically the same wage (from one of the largest richest companies in the city too) I can sympathise with these guys and hope they get somewhere, their jobs are alot harder then mine aswell (being I sit on a computer all day) and am very surprised they are on so little. ToastyTea

4:42pm Fri 21 Sep 12

bigfella777 says...

ToastyTea wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
£15k a year is not a living wage in 2012, good luck to them.
As somebody on basically the same wage (from one of the largest richest companies in the city too) I can sympathise with these guys and hope they get somewhere, their jobs are alot harder then mine aswell (being I sit on a computer all day) and am very surprised they are on so little.
15k a year and they only have to work a 3rd of the year,nice.
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: £15k a year is not a living wage in 2012, good luck to them.[/p][/quote]As somebody on basically the same wage (from one of the largest richest companies in the city too) I can sympathise with these guys and hope they get somewhere, their jobs are alot harder then mine aswell (being I sit on a computer all day) and am very surprised they are on so little.[/p][/quote]15k a year and they only have to work a 3rd of the year,nice. bigfella777

5:05pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Inform Al says...

bigfella777 wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
£15k a year is not a living wage in 2012, good luck to them.
As somebody on basically the same wage (from one of the largest richest companies in the city too) I can sympathise with these guys and hope they get somewhere, their jobs are alot harder then mine aswell (being I sit on a computer all day) and am very surprised they are on so little.
15k a year and they only have to work a 3rd of the year,nice.
As an 8 hour working day is a third of a 24 hour day on this opccasion you may be about right, however I would hope they actually do get some days off, and they do have other duries extra to duming grit on the roads in winter.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: £15k a year is not a living wage in 2012, good luck to them.[/p][/quote]As somebody on basically the same wage (from one of the largest richest companies in the city too) I can sympathise with these guys and hope they get somewhere, their jobs are alot harder then mine aswell (being I sit on a computer all day) and am very surprised they are on so little.[/p][/quote]15k a year and they only have to work a 3rd of the year,nice.[/p][/quote]As an 8 hour working day is a third of a 24 hour day on this opccasion you may be about right, however I would hope they actually do get some days off, and they do have other duries extra to duming grit on the roads in winter. Inform Al

5:09pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Inform Al says...

A lorry driver in Essex last winter was stopped at the lights when a blonde lady shouted from her car that he was loosing his load. He ignored her and continued on to the next red light where the blonde lady got out of her car and stood by the drivers door shouting at him that he was loosing his load. Very patiently he explained to her that he was gritting the road.
A lorry driver in Essex last winter was stopped at the lights when a blonde lady shouted from her car that he was loosing his load. He ignored her and continued on to the next red light where the blonde lady got out of her car and stood by the drivers door shouting at him that he was loosing his load. Very patiently he explained to her that he was gritting the road. Inform Al

5:22pm Fri 21 Sep 12

carlyb says...

ToastyTea wrote:
sarfhamton wrote: £15k a year is not a living wage in 2012, good luck to them.
As somebody on basically the same wage (from one of the largest richest companies in the city too) I can sympathise with these guys and hope they get somewhere, their jobs are alot harder then mine aswell (being I sit on a computer all day) and am very surprised they are on so little.
you will get piles if you sit on a computer all day!
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: £15k a year is not a living wage in 2012, good luck to them.[/p][/quote]As somebody on basically the same wage (from one of the largest richest companies in the city too) I can sympathise with these guys and hope they get somewhere, their jobs are alot harder then mine aswell (being I sit on a computer all day) and am very surprised they are on so little.[/p][/quote]you will get piles if you sit on a computer all day! carlyb

7:50pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Inform Al says...

carlyb wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
sarfhamton wrote: £15k a year is not a living wage in 2012, good luck to them.
As somebody on basically the same wage (from one of the largest richest companies in the city too) I can sympathise with these guys and hope they get somewhere, their jobs are alot harder then mine aswell (being I sit on a computer all day) and am very surprised they are on so little.
you will get piles if you sit on a computer all day!
Not piles of money apparently
[quote][p][bold]carlyb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: £15k a year is not a living wage in 2012, good luck to them.[/p][/quote]As somebody on basically the same wage (from one of the largest richest companies in the city too) I can sympathise with these guys and hope they get somewhere, their jobs are alot harder then mine aswell (being I sit on a computer all day) and am very surprised they are on so little.[/p][/quote]you will get piles if you sit on a computer all day![/p][/quote]Not piles of money apparently Inform Al

8:29pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

saintalive'n'kicking wrote:
So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then.

And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!!
I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike.
[quote][p][bold]saintalive'n'kicking[/bold] wrote: So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then. And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!![/p][/quote]I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike. Ginger_cyclist

10:05pm Fri 21 Sep 12

bullsbags says...

Hope no one in their family needs a fire engine or ambulance as they won't be able to get from A toB
Stop whingingas I'm sure there are plenty of people who would like 15 k a year for the hours involved
Hope no one in their family needs a fire engine or ambulance as they won't be able to get from A toB Stop whingingas I'm sure there are plenty of people who would like 15 k a year for the hours involved bullsbags

11:09pm Fri 21 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
saintalive'n'kicking wrote:
So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then.

And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!!
I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike.
Would you be kind enough to explain exactly what you mean by your comment. I would have thought a cyclist on an icy road or pavement would be extremely dangerous to pedestrians.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintalive'n'kicking[/bold] wrote: So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then. And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!![/p][/quote]I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike.[/p][/quote]Would you be kind enough to explain exactly what you mean by your comment. I would have thought a cyclist on an icy road or pavement would be extremely dangerous to pedestrians. BillyTheKid

7:21am Sat 22 Sep 12

See You When The Fog Clears says...

HAMPSHIRES road gritters are threatening to cause "huge disruption"

I bet the snow beats you to it!
HAMPSHIRES road gritters are threatening to cause "huge disruption" I bet the snow beats you to it! See You When The Fog Clears

8:52am Sat 22 Sep 12

Torchie1 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
saintalive'n'kicking wrote:
So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then.

And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!!
I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike.
The time you spend posting anti-car/pro-bicycle comments to any story that has a slight motoring link suggests that you never leave your computer so will it affect you at all? If you were in employment it would be a concern but I doubt whether you can disguise your attitude enough to get through an interview unless you find work at a shop selling bicycles.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintalive'n'kicking[/bold] wrote: So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then. And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!![/p][/quote]I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike.[/p][/quote]The time you spend posting anti-car/pro-bicycle comments to any story that has a slight motoring link suggests that you never leave your computer so will it affect you at all? If you were in employment it would be a concern but I doubt whether you can disguise your attitude enough to get through an interview unless you find work at a shop selling bicycles. Torchie1

11:10am Sat 22 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
saintalive'n'kicking wrote:
So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then.

And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!!
I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike.
Would you be kind enough to explain exactly what you mean by your comment. I would have thought a cyclist on an icy road or pavement would be extremely dangerous to pedestrians.
Not at all, it's safer to pedestrians than driving a car in the same conditions but the principles are the same, reduce tyre pressure to maximize grip and handle all controls with great care, like if they were new born babies, by doing this I was able to ride most of the way up an untreated road with minimal loss of traction and all while I was riding on tires that had been made with a treadless central band to ride on that's intended for speed, if I had the money or known about them, I would have bought studded tyres.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintalive'n'kicking[/bold] wrote: So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then. And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!![/p][/quote]I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike.[/p][/quote]Would you be kind enough to explain exactly what you mean by your comment. I would have thought a cyclist on an icy road or pavement would be extremely dangerous to pedestrians.[/p][/quote]Not at all, it's safer to pedestrians than driving a car in the same conditions but the principles are the same, reduce tyre pressure to maximize grip and handle all controls with great care, like if they were new born babies, by doing this I was able to ride most of the way up an untreated road with minimal loss of traction and all while I was riding on tires that had been made with a treadless central band to ride on that's intended for speed, if I had the money or known about them, I would have bought studded tyres. Ginger_cyclist

11:17am Sat 22 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
saintalive'n'kicking wrote:
So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then.

And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!!
I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike.
The time you spend posting anti-car/pro-bicycle comments to any story that has a slight motoring link suggests that you never leave your computer so will it affect you at all? If you were in employment it would be a concern but I doubt whether you can disguise your attitude enough to get through an interview unless you find work at a shop selling bicycles.
I don't always post such comments but my words always have truth in them and yes, it would affect me, I still have to get to interviews you know and employers probably don't really care what your attitude towards cars is just as long as you do your best to turn up on time all the time, also I'll be getting the qualifications to work in a place like cycle world so that's certainly a possibility.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintalive'n'kicking[/bold] wrote: So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then. And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!![/p][/quote]I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike.[/p][/quote]The time you spend posting anti-car/pro-bicycle comments to any story that has a slight motoring link suggests that you never leave your computer so will it affect you at all? If you were in employment it would be a concern but I doubt whether you can disguise your attitude enough to get through an interview unless you find work at a shop selling bicycles.[/p][/quote]I don't always post such comments but my words always have truth in them and yes, it would affect me, I still have to get to interviews you know and employers probably don't really care what your attitude towards cars is just as long as you do your best to turn up on time all the time, also I'll be getting the qualifications to work in a place like cycle world so that's certainly a possibility. Ginger_cyclist

12:54pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Torchie1 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
saintalive'n'kicking wrote:
So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then.

And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!!
I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike.
The time you spend posting anti-car/pro-bicycle comments to any story that has a slight motoring link suggests that you never leave your computer so will it affect you at all? If you were in employment it would be a concern but I doubt whether you can disguise your attitude enough to get through an interview unless you find work at a shop selling bicycles.
I don't always post such comments but my words always have truth in them and yes, it would affect me, I still have to get to interviews you know and employers probably don't really care what your attitude towards cars is just as long as you do your best to turn up on time all the time, also I'll be getting the qualifications to work in a place like cycle world so that's certainly a possibility.
I think you need to look back and see what you've written in the past. As for 'words of truth', you only post your opinion unless you are related to a certain Tusc member in Millbrook who is another one who only knows the truth and has decided everyone else is wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintalive'n'kicking[/bold] wrote: So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then. And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!![/p][/quote]I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike.[/p][/quote]The time you spend posting anti-car/pro-bicycle comments to any story that has a slight motoring link suggests that you never leave your computer so will it affect you at all? If you were in employment it would be a concern but I doubt whether you can disguise your attitude enough to get through an interview unless you find work at a shop selling bicycles.[/p][/quote]I don't always post such comments but my words always have truth in them and yes, it would affect me, I still have to get to interviews you know and employers probably don't really care what your attitude towards cars is just as long as you do your best to turn up on time all the time, also I'll be getting the qualifications to work in a place like cycle world so that's certainly a possibility.[/p][/quote]I think you need to look back and see what you've written in the past. As for 'words of truth', you only post your opinion unless you are related to a certain Tusc member in Millbrook who is another one who only knows the truth and has decided everyone else is wrong. Torchie1

4:00pm Sat 22 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
saintalive'n'kicking wrote:
So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then.

And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!!
I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike.
The time you spend posting anti-car/pro-bicycle comments to any story that has a slight motoring link suggests that you never leave your computer so will it affect you at all? If you were in employment it would be a concern but I doubt whether you can disguise your attitude enough to get through an interview unless you find work at a shop selling bicycles.
I don't always post such comments but my words always have truth in them and yes, it would affect me, I still have to get to interviews you know and employers probably don't really care what your attitude towards cars is just as long as you do your best to turn up on time all the time, also I'll be getting the qualifications to work in a place like cycle world so that's certainly a possibility.
I think you need to look back and see what you've written in the past. As for 'words of truth', you only post your opinion unless you are related to a certain Tusc member in Millbrook who is another one who only knows the truth and has decided everyone else is wrong.
Why is it that so many commenters here think that if you make a clear statement about something, you are trying to imply that you are right and everyone else is wrong ? And if you did, so what ? Just argue back - no one will mind ! It's the nature of discussion, debate, argument, row or whatever you want to call it.

Yes, Gingercyclist is a self-obessessed, controversial, "right-to-ride" campaigner who goes on about all kinds of things, but that is what makes him interesting. And equally strong, identifiable characteristics are what make Southy, Loosehead, and Georgem interesting, too. Ginger never insults anyone, takes insults levelled at him with a pinch of salt, and makes a whole range of observations from the unutterably trivial to the most extraordinarily insightful.

Anyway, Torchie ( always trying to en"light"en us ? lol ), I always thought it was ME, William The Juvenile, who was always right and everyone else was wrong ! But if you have discovered all the people who think they are always right, and you know they are not, then YOU must be the one who is always right !

Glad we sorted that out, o Torchie, the All Knowing One !
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintalive'n'kicking[/bold] wrote: So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then. And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!![/p][/quote]I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike.[/p][/quote]The time you spend posting anti-car/pro-bicycle comments to any story that has a slight motoring link suggests that you never leave your computer so will it affect you at all? If you were in employment it would be a concern but I doubt whether you can disguise your attitude enough to get through an interview unless you find work at a shop selling bicycles.[/p][/quote]I don't always post such comments but my words always have truth in them and yes, it would affect me, I still have to get to interviews you know and employers probably don't really care what your attitude towards cars is just as long as you do your best to turn up on time all the time, also I'll be getting the qualifications to work in a place like cycle world so that's certainly a possibility.[/p][/quote]I think you need to look back and see what you've written in the past. As for 'words of truth', you only post your opinion unless you are related to a certain Tusc member in Millbrook who is another one who only knows the truth and has decided everyone else is wrong.[/p][/quote]Why is it that so many commenters here think that if you make a clear statement about something, you are trying to imply that you are right and everyone else is wrong ? And if you did, so what ? Just argue back - no one will mind ! It's the nature of discussion, debate, argument, row or whatever you want to call it. Yes, Gingercyclist is a self-obessessed, controversial, "right-to-ride" campaigner who goes on about all kinds of things, but that is what makes him interesting. And equally strong, identifiable characteristics are what make Southy, Loosehead, and Georgem interesting, too. Ginger never insults anyone, takes insults levelled at him with a pinch of salt, and makes a whole range of observations from the unutterably trivial to the most extraordinarily insightful. Anyway, Torchie ( always trying to en"light"en us ? lol ), I always thought it was ME, William The Juvenile, who was always right and everyone else was wrong ! But if you have discovered all the people who think they are always right, and you know they are not, then YOU must be the one who is always right ! Glad we sorted that out, o Torchie, the All Knowing One ! BillyTheKid

4:09pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
saintalive'n'kicking wrote:
So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then.

And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!!
I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike.
The time you spend posting anti-car/pro-bicycle comments to any story that has a slight motoring link suggests that you never leave your computer so will it affect you at all? If you were in employment it would be a concern but I doubt whether you can disguise your attitude enough to get through an interview unless you find work at a shop selling bicycles.
I don't always post such comments but my words always have truth in them and yes, it would affect me, I still have to get to interviews you know and employers probably don't really care what your attitude towards cars is just as long as you do your best to turn up on time all the time, also I'll be getting the qualifications to work in a place like cycle world so that's certainly a possibility.
I think you need to look back and see what you've written in the past. As for 'words of truth', you only post your opinion unless you are related to a certain Tusc member in Millbrook who is another one who only knows the truth and has decided everyone else is wrong.
You're right, I do post MY opinion and in my opinion, town and city centers should be closed to all traffic that isn't deliveries, public transport, emergency vehicles, maintenance/construc
tion vehicles (when needed) and blue badge holders (for obvious reasons), not only would it be healthier for us and the environment but it would also make town and city centers safer as you would then only have about a tiny fraction of the amount of traffic that passed through before hand, it's what the Dutch have done and because of it they have such a high quality of life for their people that it's in the top 3 of the world whereas British people have a lower quality of life in some poorer countries like China or even some African countries.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintalive'n'kicking[/bold] wrote: So gritters going on strike (threatening). Let them. and when their pints of milk aren't in the shops; or their pint of ale is still at the depot, or their pay is delaid because the bank clerks can't get to work whatch them squinny then. And why were they gritting two weeks ago in Fareham area? Too much sun!!![/p][/quote]I'm glad I'd still be able to get around on my bike if the roads ice over while the gritters go on strike.[/p][/quote]The time you spend posting anti-car/pro-bicycle comments to any story that has a slight motoring link suggests that you never leave your computer so will it affect you at all? If you were in employment it would be a concern but I doubt whether you can disguise your attitude enough to get through an interview unless you find work at a shop selling bicycles.[/p][/quote]I don't always post such comments but my words always have truth in them and yes, it would affect me, I still have to get to interviews you know and employers probably don't really care what your attitude towards cars is just as long as you do your best to turn up on time all the time, also I'll be getting the qualifications to work in a place like cycle world so that's certainly a possibility.[/p][/quote]I think you need to look back and see what you've written in the past. As for 'words of truth', you only post your opinion unless you are related to a certain Tusc member in Millbrook who is another one who only knows the truth and has decided everyone else is wrong.[/p][/quote]You're right, I do post MY opinion and in my opinion, town and city centers should be closed to all traffic that isn't deliveries, public transport, emergency vehicles, maintenance/construc tion vehicles (when needed) and blue badge holders (for obvious reasons), not only would it be healthier for us and the environment but it would also make town and city centers safer as you would then only have about a tiny fraction of the amount of traffic that passed through before hand, it's what the Dutch have done and because of it they have such a high quality of life for their people that it's in the top 3 of the world whereas British people have a lower quality of life in some poorer countries like China or even some African countries. Ginger_cyclist

11:19am Sun 23 Sep 12

ohec says...

The figure of 15k per annum has been mentioned i don't know what this figure represents, if that is a basic wage then the actual earnings could be far greater when you take overtime/bonus/unsoc
ial hours payments etc into account so maybe if their actual earnings were made clear it would be easier to come to an informed decision. But i do think its about time that regulations regarding strike ballots etc were laid down i.e. 75% of total union membership should have to vote and for a strike 51% vote in favour.
The figure of 15k per annum has been mentioned i don't know what this figure represents, if that is a basic wage then the actual earnings could be far greater when you take overtime/bonus/unsoc ial hours payments etc into account so maybe if their actual earnings were made clear it would be easier to come to an informed decision. But i do think its about time that regulations regarding strike ballots etc were laid down i.e. 75% of total union membership should have to vote and for a strike 51% vote in favour. ohec

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