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Racist grandmother Margaret Walker gets lifetime Asbo for offensive letters
4:32pm Tuesday 25th September 2012 in News
By Bethan Phillips, Reporter
Margaret Walker
A Hampshire grandmother has today been handed a lifetime ASBO for a "racist" and "frightening" poison pen campaign.
Margaret Walker, 73, from Walnut Drive, Hill Head, has been ordered by magistrates to stop sending "foul" and "abusive" letters.
She has also been ordered to sign every piece of post she sends and supply a return address.
The order came after Walker carried out a five-year campaign of hate - sending around 500 racist letters all around the country.
MPs, pubs, parish council, shops and individuals were among those that received the "extreme" leaflets, which used a variety of racist slurs and graphic hand-drawn images.
Among other insults, Walker referred to people from Pakistan as scroungers and implied that all Muslim men were "paedophiles".
The letters also included rants against Scottish people, who she referred to as "scum" and various politicians.
Walker was also ordered to pay £5,000 costs.
Comments(55)
sotonbusdriver
says...
4:50pm Tue 25 Sep 12
implied that all Muslim men were "paedophiles"
Doesn't need to bother, the media make sure that it implied, by making a song and dance when they are caught and prosecuted....
Doesn't need to bother, the media make sure that it implied, by making a song and dance when they are caught and prosecuted....
redsnapper
says...
6:45pm Tue 25 Sep 12
What a ghastly old bag!
Gainer T Gopher
says...
7:04pm Tue 25 Sep 12
Ah bless her..... freedom of speech not allowed anymore.....
well not if you are a white Christian anyway...
well not if you are a white Christian anyway...
SOULJACKER
says...
7:19pm Tue 25 Sep 12
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
St Retford
says...
7:47pm Tue 25 Sep 12
stevey14 wrote:What the **** hell are you talking about?
Africa for the Africans,Asia for the Asians,white countries for EVERYBODY!
It`s GENOCIDE.
Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white.
Blue Ray
says...
8:00pm Tue 25 Sep 12
The law is the law, it applies equally to all skin colours, faiths etc. She broke the law she paid the price.
protectfreespeech
says...
8:04pm Tue 25 Sep 12
SOULJACKER wrote:Totally agree...when will we see a lifetime ban on Muslim extremists chanting "Death to British Police"while holding banners calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam?
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
I believe that all in Britain have the right to freedom of expression so Mrs Walker maybe should have got a £50 fine instead for upsetting people, and THAT would be over the top in my view.
Facewagon
says...
8:06pm Tue 25 Sep 12
SOULJACKER wrote:Of course she's entitled to her opinions, like everyone else. This isn't about stopping her from having these opinions, it's about stopping her sending abusive letters all over the place.
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
To those bemoaning this conviction, would you be happy with some Abu Hamza-like gimp sending abusive letters around this? I suspect that instead you'd be up in arms about it, and rightly so.
We are privileged to have freedom of speech in this country, but like all other freedoms it comes with responsibility.
Facewagon
says...
8:09pm Tue 25 Sep 12
protectfreespeech wrote:Which is it: all in Britain can say what they like, or radical Islamists shouldn't be allowed to get away with that kind of stunt?
SOULJACKER wrote:Totally agree...when will we see a lifetime ban on Muslim extremists chanting "Death to British Police"while holding banners calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam?
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
I believe that all in Britain have the right to freedom of expression so Mrs Walker maybe should have got a £50 fine instead for upsetting people, and THAT would be over the top in my view.
The law should apply equally to all regardless of whether we agree with certain groups' or individuals' agendas or not.
Facewagon
says...
8:11pm Tue 25 Sep 12
stevey14 wrote:Nice hysterical little slogan you've got there. I'm sure it gets you and your mates fired up down the pub, shame it bears no resemblance to reality.
Africa for the Africans,Asia for the Asians,white countries for EVERYBODY!
It`s GENOCIDE.
Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white.
SOULJACKER
says...
8:18pm Tue 25 Sep 12
Blue Ray wrote:Does it really apply to all........I don't think it does does it & you know it!
The law is the law, it applies equally to all skin colours, faiths etc. She broke the law she paid the price.
Georgem
says...
8:20pm Tue 25 Sep 12
SOULJACKER wrote:It's the letters she's in trouble for. She has freedom of speech, but that right doesn't mean people have to pay any attention to it.
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
SOULJACKER
says...
8:27pm Tue 25 Sep 12
Facewagon wrote:Nob head "Abu Hamza" & droopy boobed angry old lady aren't even in the same bracket are they!
SOULJACKER wrote:Of course she's entitled to her opinions, like everyone else. This isn't about stopping her from having these opinions, it's about stopping her sending abusive letters all over the place.
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
To those bemoaning this conviction, would you be happy with some Abu Hamza-like gimp sending abusive letters around this? I suspect that instead you'd be up in arms about it, and rightly so.
We are privileged to have freedom of speech in this country, but like all other freedoms it comes with responsibility.
The west is sh*t scared of upsetting the likes of Islam cause they don't want to be seen to be upsetting the minorities (or majorities if you like).
You have the likes of Abu Hamza spreading hate & death to the west for years up at Finsbury Park & nobody did sh*t!
Now some mental old lady says something that the Liberals can grab a hold of & she is the biggest racist since Enoch Powell (shakes head).
Fact of the matter is, the Middle eastern types can kill & say what the hell they like & when (like I say) some daft old biddy gets her knickers in a twist & sends out some stupid letter to whoever, she is badass granny!
Wake up Britain!
Rob444
says...
8:37pm Tue 25 Sep 12
This lady is just saying what many of us think but are frightened to say.
Facewagon
says...
8:39pm Tue 25 Sep 12
SOULJACKER wrote:Thanks for jumping straight in with some abuse, but I fear you're missing the point.
Facewagon wrote:Nob head "Abu Hamza" & droopy boobed angry old lady aren't even in the same bracket are they!
SOULJACKER wrote:Of course she's entitled to her opinions, like everyone else. This isn't about stopping her from having these opinions, it's about stopping her sending abusive letters all over the place.
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
To those bemoaning this conviction, would you be happy with some Abu Hamza-like gimp sending abusive letters around this? I suspect that instead you'd be up in arms about it, and rightly so.
We are privileged to have freedom of speech in this country, but like all other freedoms it comes with responsibility.
The west is sh*t scared of upsetting the likes of Islam cause they don't want to be seen to be upsetting the minorities (or majorities if you like).
You have the likes of Abu Hamza spreading hate & death to the west for years up at Finsbury Park & nobody did sh*t!
Now some mental old lady says something that the Liberals can grab a hold of & she is the biggest racist since Enoch Powell (shakes head).
Fact of the matter is, the Middle eastern types can kill & say what the hell they like & when (like I say) some daft old biddy gets her knickers in a twist & sends out some stupid letter to whoever, she is badass granny!
Wake up Britain!
The cr@p that Hamza and his ilk have gotten away with is despicable, and it's ludicrous that it's taken this long for something to be done. But that does not make it right for anyone else to send abusive letters around.
G-man1
says...
8:57pm Tue 25 Sep 12
With Freedom of speech comes duty of responsibility. When you fail to act responsibly you should lose all rights to freedom of speech. Sending 100s of racist letters is not acting responsibly. She deserves everything she gets. She may have mental health problems but she's still a racist.
.
.
SOULJACKER
says...
9:11pm Tue 25 Sep 12
Facewagon wrote:All Britain doesn't run around killing people does it, DUH!
protectfreespeech wrote:Which is it: all in Britain can say what they like, or radical Islamists shouldn't be allowed to get away with that kind of stunt?
SOULJACKER wrote:Totally agree...when will we see a lifetime ban on Muslim extremists chanting "Death to British Police"while holding banners calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam?
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
I believe that all in Britain have the right to freedom of expression so Mrs Walker maybe should have got a £50 fine instead for upsetting people, and THAT would be over the top in my view.
The law should apply equally to all regardless of whether we agree with certain groups' or individuals' agendas or not.
SOULJACKER
says...
9:16pm Tue 25 Sep 12
Facewagon wrote:Abuse wasn't aimed at you (sorry if you thought it was).....but that said, they are completely different scenarios!
SOULJACKER wrote:Thanks for jumping straight in with some abuse, but I fear you're missing the point.
Facewagon wrote:Nob head "Abu Hamza" & droopy boobed angry old lady aren't even in the same bracket are they!
SOULJACKER wrote:Of course she's entitled to her opinions, like everyone else. This isn't about stopping her from having these opinions, it's about stopping her sending abusive letters all over the place.
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
To those bemoaning this conviction, would you be happy with some Abu Hamza-like gimp sending abusive letters around this? I suspect that instead you'd be up in arms about it, and rightly so.
We are privileged to have freedom of speech in this country, but like all other freedoms it comes with responsibility.
The west is sh*t scared of upsetting the likes of Islam cause they don't want to be seen to be upsetting the minorities (or majorities if you like).
You have the likes of Abu Hamza spreading hate & death to the west for years up at Finsbury Park & nobody did sh*t!
Now some mental old lady says something that the Liberals can grab a hold of & she is the biggest racist since Enoch Powell (shakes head).
Fact of the matter is, the Middle eastern types can kill & say what the hell they like & when (like I say) some daft old biddy gets her knickers in a twist & sends out some stupid letter to whoever, she is badass granny!
Wake up Britain!
The cr@p that Hamza and his ilk have gotten away with is despicable, and it's ludicrous that it's taken this long for something to be done. But that does not make it right for anyone else to send abusive letters around.
She was hardly threatening peoples lives, burning flags & such (& I know it was a letter & therefore the recipient didn't know it was a cranky old dear).
Look around the world now & though our governments are invading every middle eastern country going, they are doing with their agendas & not your average everyday person!
People are being far too precious now....
SOULJACKER
says...
9:17pm Tue 25 Sep 12
Rob444 wrote:Here here.......every office & shop floor are saying the same thing...WAKE UP BRITAIN!
This lady is just saying what many of us think but are frightened to say.
Facewagon
says...
9:20pm Tue 25 Sep 12
WTF? Who said anything about killing people? This is about whether and to what degree people have the right to express inflammatory views, and whether waving grossly offensive views in peoples' faces should be shrugged off in the name of free speech.
Facewagon
says...
9:23pm Tue 25 Sep 12
SOULJACKER wrote:What, every office and shop floor are saying that all muslim men are paedophiles and all Scottish people are scum?
Rob444 wrote: This lady is just saying what many of us think but are frightened to say.Here here.......every office & shop floor are saying the same thing...WAKE UP BRITAIN!
Are these the 'truths' that you'd like Britain to wake up to?
St Retford
says...
9:27pm Tue 25 Sep 12
SOULJACKER wrote:Mine isn't.
Rob444 wrote:Here here.......every office & shop floor are saying the same thing...WAKE UP BRITAIN!
This lady is just saying what many of us think but are frightened to say.
What is it you'd like to say but feel you can't? I think you can say whatever you like so long as you don't go around being completely offensive with it, which is what this woman has done.
BillyTheKid
says...
10:29pm Tue 25 Sep 12
The Crusades. We did them, all nine. Wipe out all non-Christians. "Excuse us, Saladin, but um, not quite sure how to put this, but we've decided that Jeruselem is our spiritual centre, so can you and your Muslim friends just push off ?"
The Slave Trade. Right at the heart of that, weren't we ? Just pop over to African, abduct thousands of natives, ship 'em off to the old New World thingy, and Bob's yer uncle. They get free labour, we get loadsamoney !
Colonialism ! Oh yes ! Walking into other people's countries uninvited, and taking over. What's wrong with that ? I mean we da mn well taught them how to play cricket, didn't we, and how to jolly well show respect for their betters ? Rule Britannia ! Had to sort Jerry out of course - tried to copy our ideas !
Why are we so self-righteous ? Answer : guilt for all the above.
Why does everyone hate us ?
Answer : all the above.
That's the history, and we really couldn't blame the Muslims if they took exception to western capitalism, and us generally wrecking the planet to make money.
The real truth is that the vast majority of people throughout the world have set the past aside and get on fine together. The extremists, and the old lady here could be classified as that, are the ones that get in the news and create a false impression.
The Slave Trade. Right at the heart of that, weren't we ? Just pop over to African, abduct thousands of natives, ship 'em off to the old New World thingy, and Bob's yer uncle. They get free labour, we get loadsamoney !
Colonialism ! Oh yes ! Walking into other people's countries uninvited, and taking over. What's wrong with that ? I mean we da mn well taught them how to play cricket, didn't we, and how to jolly well show respect for their betters ? Rule Britannia ! Had to sort Jerry out of course - tried to copy our ideas !
Why are we so self-righteous ? Answer : guilt for all the above.
Why does everyone hate us ?
Answer : all the above.
That's the history, and we really couldn't blame the Muslims if they took exception to western capitalism, and us generally wrecking the planet to make money.
The real truth is that the vast majority of people throughout the world have set the past aside and get on fine together. The extremists, and the old lady here could be classified as that, are the ones that get in the news and create a false impression.
St Retford
says...
10:47pm Tue 25 Sep 12
BillyTheKid wrote:*Applauds*
The Crusades. We did them, all nine. Wipe out all non-Christians. "Excuse us, Saladin, but um, not quite sure how to put this, but we've decided that Jeruselem is our spiritual centre, so can you and your Muslim friends just push off ?"
The Slave Trade. Right at the heart of that, weren't we ? Just pop over to African, abduct thousands of natives, ship 'em off to the old New World thingy, and Bob's yer uncle. They get free labour, we get loadsamoney !
Colonialism ! Oh yes ! Walking into other people's countries uninvited, and taking over. What's wrong with that ? I mean we da mn well taught them how to play cricket, didn't we, and how to jolly well show respect for their betters ? Rule Britannia ! Had to sort Jerry out of course - tried to copy our ideas !
Why are we so self-righteous ? Answer : guilt for all the above.
Why does everyone hate us ?
Answer : all the above.
That's the history, and we really couldn't blame the Muslims if they took exception to western capitalism, and us generally wrecking the planet to make money.
The real truth is that the vast majority of people throughout the world have set the past aside and get on fine together. The extremists, and the old lady here could be classified as that, are the ones that get in the news and create a false impression.
jonnyx
says...
11:25pm Tue 25 Sep 12
what a disturbing set of comments. thank god, thank allah, thank vishnu for billythekid.
Georgem
says...
8:37am Wed 26 Sep 12
SOULJACKER wrote:Which country is it that all runs around killing people? See if you can give an answer that isn't tabloid-driven.
Facewagon wrote:All Britain doesn't run around killing people does it, DUH!
protectfreespeech wrote:Which is it: all in Britain can say what they like, or radical Islamists shouldn't be allowed to get away with that kind of stunt?
SOULJACKER wrote:Totally agree...when will we see a lifetime ban on Muslim extremists chanting "Death to British Police"while holding banners calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam?
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
I believe that all in Britain have the right to freedom of expression so Mrs Walker maybe should have got a £50 fine instead for upsetting people, and THAT would be over the top in my view.
The law should apply equally to all regardless of whether we agree with certain groups' or individuals' agendas or not.
Ginger_cyclist
says...
8:39am Wed 26 Sep 12
BillyTheKid wrote:I'm glad I read through comments before typing, otherwise I would have posted pretty much the same as what you have Billy, personally I think shouldn't be allowed to write her own letters but have to have someone write what she says because with someone like her, an ASBO and being made to provide a signature and return address probably won't deter her, she'd probably falsify them.
The Crusades. We did them, all nine. Wipe out all non-Christians. "Excuse us, Saladin, but um, not quite sure how to put this, but we've decided that Jeruselem is our spiritual centre, so can you and your Muslim friends just push off ?"
The Slave Trade. Right at the heart of that, weren't we ? Just pop over to African, abduct thousands of natives, ship 'em off to the old New World thingy, and Bob's yer uncle. They get free labour, we get loadsamoney !
Colonialism ! Oh yes ! Walking into other people's countries uninvited, and taking over. What's wrong with that ? I mean we da mn well taught them how to play cricket, didn't we, and how to jolly well show respect for their betters ? Rule Britannia ! Had to sort Jerry out of course - tried to copy our ideas !
Why are we so self-righteous ? Answer : guilt for all the above.
Why does everyone hate us ?
Answer : all the above.
That's the history, and we really couldn't blame the Muslims if they took exception to western capitalism, and us generally wrecking the planet to make money.
The real truth is that the vast majority of people throughout the world have set the past aside and get on fine together. The extremists, and the old lady here could be classified as that, are the ones that get in the news and create a false impression.
Georgem
says...
8:41am Wed 26 Sep 12
BillyTheKid wrote:Mostly agree.
The Crusades. We did them, all nine. Wipe out all non-Christians. "Excuse us, Saladin, but um, not quite sure how to put this, but we've decided that Jeruselem is our spiritual centre, so can you and your Muslim friends just push off ?"
The Slave Trade. Right at the heart of that, weren't we ? Just pop over to African, abduct thousands of natives, ship 'em off to the old New World thingy, and Bob's yer uncle. They get free labour, we get loadsamoney !
Colonialism ! Oh yes ! Walking into other people's countries uninvited, and taking over. What's wrong with that ? I mean we da mn well taught them how to play cricket, didn't we, and how to jolly well show respect for their betters ? Rule Britannia ! Had to sort Jerry out of course - tried to copy our ideas !
Why are we so self-righteous ? Answer : guilt for all the above.
Why does everyone hate us ?
Answer : all the above.
That's the history, and we really couldn't blame the Muslims if they took exception to western capitalism, and us generally wrecking the planet to make money.
The real truth is that the vast majority of people throughout the world have set the past aside and get on fine together. The extremists, and the old lady here could be classified as that, are the ones that get in the news and create a false impression.
The slave trade? We didn't 'abduct' slaves, they were largely sold to us - by their own people. Doesn't make it any less slavery, of course, but let's feel guilty about the right thing!
Ginger_cyclist
says...
8:42am Wed 26 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:It's America, they even stooped so low as to kill those people in the WTC just for an excuse to go to Iran and Iraq to fight for oil.
SOULJACKER wrote:Which country is it that all runs around killing people? See if you can give an answer that isn't tabloid-driven.
Facewagon wrote:All Britain doesn't run around killing people does it, DUH!
protectfreespeech wrote:Which is it: all in Britain can say what they like, or radical Islamists shouldn't be allowed to get away with that kind of stunt?
SOULJACKER wrote:Totally agree...when will we see a lifetime ban on Muslim extremists chanting "Death to British Police"while holding banners calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam?
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
I believe that all in Britain have the right to freedom of expression so Mrs Walker maybe should have got a £50 fine instead for upsetting people, and THAT would be over the top in my view.
The law should apply equally to all regardless of whether we agree with certain groups' or individuals' agendas or not.
Ginger_cyclist
says...
8:44am Wed 26 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:Actually we did forcibly take people too, many of the slave traders also used to rape the women.
BillyTheKid wrote:Mostly agree.
The Crusades. We did them, all nine. Wipe out all non-Christians. "Excuse us, Saladin, but um, not quite sure how to put this, but we've decided that Jeruselem is our spiritual centre, so can you and your Muslim friends just push off ?"
The Slave Trade. Right at the heart of that, weren't we ? Just pop over to African, abduct thousands of natives, ship 'em off to the old New World thingy, and Bob's yer uncle. They get free labour, we get loadsamoney !
Colonialism ! Oh yes ! Walking into other people's countries uninvited, and taking over. What's wrong with that ? I mean we da mn well taught them how to play cricket, didn't we, and how to jolly well show respect for their betters ? Rule Britannia ! Had to sort Jerry out of course - tried to copy our ideas !
Why are we so self-righteous ? Answer : guilt for all the above.
Why does everyone hate us ?
Answer : all the above.
That's the history, and we really couldn't blame the Muslims if they took exception to western capitalism, and us generally wrecking the planet to make money.
The real truth is that the vast majority of people throughout the world have set the past aside and get on fine together. The extremists, and the old lady here could be classified as that, are the ones that get in the news and create a false impression.
The slave trade? We didn't 'abduct' slaves, they were largely sold to us - by their own people. Doesn't make it any less slavery, of course, but let's feel guilty about the right thing!
Georgem
says...
9:20am Wed 26 Sep 12
Ginger_cyclist wrote:No they didn't. That's a massively discredited conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:It's America, they even stooped so low as to kill those people in the WTC just for an excuse to go to Iran and Iraq to fight for oil.
SOULJACKER wrote:Which country is it that all runs around killing people? See if you can give an answer that isn't tabloid-driven.
Facewagon wrote:All Britain doesn't run around killing people does it, DUH!
protectfreespeech wrote:Which is it: all in Britain can say what they like, or radical Islamists shouldn't be allowed to get away with that kind of stunt?
SOULJACKER wrote:Totally agree...when will we see a lifetime ban on Muslim extremists chanting "Death to British Police"while holding banners calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam?
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
I believe that all in Britain have the right to freedom of expression so Mrs Walker maybe should have got a £50 fine instead for upsetting people, and THAT would be over the top in my view.
The law should apply equally to all regardless of whether we agree with certain groups' or individuals' agendas or not.
Georgem
says...
9:21am Wed 26 Sep 12
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Yeh, true. What I'm saying is, it was somewhat more complex than simply the English turning up in Africa and kidnapping a bunch of slaves.
Georgem wrote:Actually we did forcibly take people too, many of the slave traders also used to rape the women.
BillyTheKid wrote:Mostly agree.
The Crusades. We did them, all nine. Wipe out all non-Christians. "Excuse us, Saladin, but um, not quite sure how to put this, but we've decided that Jeruselem is our spiritual centre, so can you and your Muslim friends just push off ?"
The Slave Trade. Right at the heart of that, weren't we ? Just pop over to African, abduct thousands of natives, ship 'em off to the old New World thingy, and Bob's yer uncle. They get free labour, we get loadsamoney !
Colonialism ! Oh yes ! Walking into other people's countries uninvited, and taking over. What's wrong with that ? I mean we da mn well taught them how to play cricket, didn't we, and how to jolly well show respect for their betters ? Rule Britannia ! Had to sort Jerry out of course - tried to copy our ideas !
Why are we so self-righteous ? Answer : guilt for all the above.
Why does everyone hate us ?
Answer : all the above.
That's the history, and we really couldn't blame the Muslims if they took exception to western capitalism, and us generally wrecking the planet to make money.
The real truth is that the vast majority of people throughout the world have set the past aside and get on fine together. The extremists, and the old lady here could be classified as that, are the ones that get in the news and create a false impression.
The slave trade? We didn't 'abduct' slaves, they were largely sold to us - by their own people. Doesn't make it any less slavery, of course, but let's feel guilty about the right thing!
Ginger_cyclist
says...
9:38am Wed 26 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:They did actually because none of the evidence matches up, if the planes brought the towers down then they would have toppled, not fall straight down, it wasn't burning fuel that brought them down as older buildings have kept standing after being ablaze for a week, the towers were on fire for at most and hour, then there's the trace residue of thermite and explosives found in the wreckage, building 7 seemingly came down on it's own, it was demolished with explosives, the plane that was supposed to have hit the pentagon never existed, also the pilot who was supposed to be flying wasn't able to fly yet, let alone turn a jet through a 200 degree turn only meters from the ground, the part of the pentagon that got hit was where financial records were kept and there was structural work being carried out on the inside of that same wall, the plane that they say was ditched in a field never existed and the pilots who apparently flew the planes at the time were actually found alive and in hiding, now tell me it is a debunked conspiracy theory.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:No they didn't. That's a massively discredited conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:It's America, they even stooped so low as to kill those people in the WTC just for an excuse to go to Iran and Iraq to fight for oil.
SOULJACKER wrote:Which country is it that all runs around killing people? See if you can give an answer that isn't tabloid-driven.
Facewagon wrote:All Britain doesn't run around killing people does it, DUH!
protectfreespeech wrote:Which is it: all in Britain can say what they like, or radical Islamists shouldn't be allowed to get away with that kind of stunt?
SOULJACKER wrote:Totally agree...when will we see a lifetime ban on Muslim extremists chanting "Death to British Police"while holding banners calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam?
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
I believe that all in Britain have the right to freedom of expression so Mrs Walker maybe should have got a £50 fine instead for upsetting people, and THAT would be over the top in my view.
The law should apply equally to all regardless of whether we agree with certain groups' or individuals' agendas or not.
Ginger_cyclist
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9:40am Wed 26 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:True, most of the world kidnapped people for slavery, hence the fact that the slave trade existed but Britain was also the main slave trading point between Africa and "The new world".
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Yeh, true. What I'm saying is, it was somewhat more complex than simply the English turning up in Africa and kidnapping a bunch of slaves.
Georgem wrote:Actually we did forcibly take people too, many of the slave traders also used to rape the women.
BillyTheKid wrote:Mostly agree.
The Crusades. We did them, all nine. Wipe out all non-Christians. "Excuse us, Saladin, but um, not quite sure how to put this, but we've decided that Jeruselem is our spiritual centre, so can you and your Muslim friends just push off ?"
The Slave Trade. Right at the heart of that, weren't we ? Just pop over to African, abduct thousands of natives, ship 'em off to the old New World thingy, and Bob's yer uncle. They get free labour, we get loadsamoney !
Colonialism ! Oh yes ! Walking into other people's countries uninvited, and taking over. What's wrong with that ? I mean we da mn well taught them how to play cricket, didn't we, and how to jolly well show respect for their betters ? Rule Britannia ! Had to sort Jerry out of course - tried to copy our ideas !
Why are we so self-righteous ? Answer : guilt for all the above.
Why does everyone hate us ?
Answer : all the above.
That's the history, and we really couldn't blame the Muslims if they took exception to western capitalism, and us generally wrecking the planet to make money.
The real truth is that the vast majority of people throughout the world have set the past aside and get on fine together. The extremists, and the old lady here could be classified as that, are the ones that get in the news and create a false impression.
The slave trade? We didn't 'abduct' slaves, they were largely sold to us - by their own people. Doesn't make it any less slavery, of course, but let's feel guilty about the right thing!
freefinker
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9:47am Wed 26 Sep 12
Ginger_cyclist wrote:OK, it is a debunked conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:They did actually because none of the evidence matches up, if the planes brought the towers down then they would have toppled, not fall straight down, it wasn't burning fuel that brought them down as older buildings have kept standing after being ablaze for a week, the towers were on fire for at most and hour, then there's the trace residue of thermite and explosives found in the wreckage, building 7 seemingly came down on it's own, it was demolished with explosives, the plane that was supposed to have hit the pentagon never existed, also the pilot who was supposed to be flying wasn't able to fly yet, let alone turn a jet through a 200 degree turn only meters from the ground, the part of the pentagon that got hit was where financial records were kept and there was structural work being carried out on the inside of that same wall, the plane that they say was ditched in a field never existed and the pilots who apparently flew the planes at the time were actually found alive and in hiding, now tell me it is a debunked conspiracy theory.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:No they didn't. That's a massively discredited conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:It's America, they even stooped so low as to kill those people in the WTC just for an excuse to go to Iran and Iraq to fight for oil.
SOULJACKER wrote:Which country is it that all runs around killing people? See if you can give an answer that isn't tabloid-driven.
Facewagon wrote:All Britain doesn't run around killing people does it, DUH!
protectfreespeech wrote:Which is it: all in Britain can say what they like, or radical Islamists shouldn't be allowed to get away with that kind of stunt?
SOULJACKER wrote:Totally agree...when will we see a lifetime ban on Muslim extremists chanting "Death to British Police"while holding banners calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam?
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
I believe that all in Britain have the right to freedom of expression so Mrs Walker maybe should have got a £50 fine instead for upsetting people, and THAT would be over the top in my view.
The law should apply equally to all regardless of whether we agree with certain groups' or individuals' agendas or not.
End of.
Ginger_cyclist
says...
9:58am Wed 26 Sep 12
freefinker wrote:But it's not though because all of the stuff I mentioned is true, plenty of independent research can be found on the internet and it all points to the same conclusion, it was an inside job.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:OK, it is a debunked conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:They did actually because none of the evidence matches up, if the planes brought the towers down then they would have toppled, not fall straight down, it wasn't burning fuel that brought them down as older buildings have kept standing after being ablaze for a week, the towers were on fire for at most and hour, then there's the trace residue of thermite and explosives found in the wreckage, building 7 seemingly came down on it's own, it was demolished with explosives, the plane that was supposed to have hit the pentagon never existed, also the pilot who was supposed to be flying wasn't able to fly yet, let alone turn a jet through a 200 degree turn only meters from the ground, the part of the pentagon that got hit was where financial records were kept and there was structural work being carried out on the inside of that same wall, the plane that they say was ditched in a field never existed and the pilots who apparently flew the planes at the time were actually found alive and in hiding, now tell me it is a debunked conspiracy theory.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:No they didn't. That's a massively discredited conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:It's America, they even stooped so low as to kill those people in the WTC just for an excuse to go to Iran and Iraq to fight for oil.
SOULJACKER wrote:Which country is it that all runs around killing people? See if you can give an answer that isn't tabloid-driven.
Facewagon wrote:All Britain doesn't run around killing people does it, DUH!
protectfreespeech wrote:Which is it: all in Britain can say what they like, or radical Islamists shouldn't be allowed to get away with that kind of stunt?
SOULJACKER wrote:Totally agree...when will we see a lifetime ban on Muslim extremists chanting "Death to British Police"while holding banners calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam?
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
I believe that all in Britain have the right to freedom of expression so Mrs Walker maybe should have got a £50 fine instead for upsetting people, and THAT would be over the top in my view.
The law should apply equally to all regardless of whether we agree with certain groups' or individuals' agendas or not.
End of.
Georgem
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10:11am Wed 26 Sep 12
Ginger_cyclist wrote:There is some conflicting evidence, therefore the only logical conclusion is that tens of thousands of people have managed to maintain a conspiracy for a decade.
freefinker wrote:But it's not though because all of the stuff I mentioned is true, plenty of independent research can be found on the internet and it all points to the same conclusion, it was an inside job.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:OK, it is a debunked conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:They did actually because none of the evidence matches up, if the planes brought the towers down then they would have toppled, not fall straight down, it wasn't burning fuel that brought them down as older buildings have kept standing after being ablaze for a week, the towers were on fire for at most and hour, then there's the trace residue of thermite and explosives found in the wreckage, building 7 seemingly came down on it's own, it was demolished with explosives, the plane that was supposed to have hit the pentagon never existed, also the pilot who was supposed to be flying wasn't able to fly yet, let alone turn a jet through a 200 degree turn only meters from the ground, the part of the pentagon that got hit was where financial records were kept and there was structural work being carried out on the inside of that same wall, the plane that they say was ditched in a field never existed and the pilots who apparently flew the planes at the time were actually found alive and in hiding, now tell me it is a debunked conspiracy theory.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:No they didn't. That's a massively discredited conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:It's America, they even stooped so low as to kill those people in the WTC just for an excuse to go to Iran and Iraq to fight for oil.
SOULJACKER wrote:Which country is it that all runs around killing people? See if you can give an answer that isn't tabloid-driven.
Facewagon wrote:All Britain doesn't run around killing people does it, DUH!
protectfreespeech wrote:Which is it: all in Britain can say what they like, or radical Islamists shouldn't be allowed to get away with that kind of stunt?
SOULJACKER wrote:Totally agree...when will we see a lifetime ban on Muslim extremists chanting "Death to British Police"while holding banners calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam?
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
I believe that all in Britain have the right to freedom of expression so Mrs Walker maybe should have got a £50 fine instead for upsetting people, and THAT would be over the top in my view.
The law should apply equally to all regardless of whether we agree with certain groups' or individuals' agendas or not.
End of.
Georgem
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10:12am Wed 26 Sep 12
"It's not debunked, because I said it's true"
Lol. You've been taking lessons in The Trivium from southy, I see.
Lol. You've been taking lessons in The Trivium from southy, I see.
cliffwalker
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12:14pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Ginger_cyclist wrote:It's a debunked conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:They did actually because none of the evidence matches up, if the planes brought the towers down then they would have toppled, not fall straight down, it wasn't burning fuel that brought them down as older buildings have kept standing after being ablaze for a week, the towers were on fire for at most and hour, then there's the trace residue of thermite and explosives found in the wreckage, building 7 seemingly came down on it's own, it was demolished with explosives, the plane that was supposed to have hit the pentagon never existed, also the pilot who was supposed to be flying wasn't able to fly yet, let alone turn a jet through a 200 degree turn only meters from the ground, the part of the pentagon that got hit was where financial records were kept and there was structural work being carried out on the inside of that same wall, the plane that they say was ditched in a field never existed and the pilots who apparently flew the planes at the time were actually found alive and in hiding, now tell me it is a debunked conspiracy theory.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:No they didn't. That's a massively discredited conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:It's America, they even stooped so low as to kill those people in the WTC just for an excuse to go to Iran and Iraq to fight for oil.
SOULJACKER wrote:Which country is it that all runs around killing people? See if you can give an answer that isn't tabloid-driven.
Facewagon wrote:All Britain doesn't run around killing people does it, DUH!
protectfreespeech wrote:Which is it: all in Britain can say what they like, or radical Islamists shouldn't be allowed to get away with that kind of stunt?
SOULJACKER wrote:Totally agree...when will we see a lifetime ban on Muslim extremists chanting "Death to British Police"while holding banners calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam?
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
I believe that all in Britain have the right to freedom of expression so Mrs Walker maybe should have got a £50 fine instead for upsetting people, and THAT would be over the top in my view.
The law should apply equally to all regardless of whether we agree with certain groups' or individuals' agendas or not.
St Retford
says...
12:27pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Ginger_cyclist wrote:OK, ignore the documentaries you've seen: have you ever asked yourself why the US government would possibly do it? A conspiracy on that scale would require the involvement of thousands of people and it would be impossible to guarantee the silence of all of them. Once it got out that would be the end of the Republican party forever.
freefinker wrote:But it's not though because all of the stuff I mentioned is true, plenty of independent research can be found on the internet and it all points to the same conclusion, it was an inside job.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:OK, it is a debunked conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:They did actually because none of the evidence matches up, if the planes brought the towers down then they would have toppled, not fall straight down, it wasn't burning fuel that brought them down as older buildings have kept standing after being ablaze for a week, the towers were on fire for at most and hour, then there's the trace residue of thermite and explosives found in the wreckage, building 7 seemingly came down on it's own, it was demolished with explosives, the plane that was supposed to have hit the pentagon never existed, also the pilot who was supposed to be flying wasn't able to fly yet, let alone turn a jet through a 200 degree turn only meters from the ground, the part of the pentagon that got hit was where financial records were kept and there was structural work being carried out on the inside of that same wall, the plane that they say was ditched in a field never existed and the pilots who apparently flew the planes at the time were actually found alive and in hiding, now tell me it is a debunked conspiracy theory.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:No they didn't. That's a massively discredited conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:It's America, they even stooped so low as to kill those people in the WTC just for an excuse to go to Iran and Iraq to fight for oil.
SOULJACKER wrote:Which country is it that all runs around killing people? See if you can give an answer that isn't tabloid-driven.
Facewagon wrote:All Britain doesn't run around killing people does it, DUH!
protectfreespeech wrote:Which is it: all in Britain can say what they like, or radical Islamists shouldn't be allowed to get away with that kind of stunt?
SOULJACKER wrote:Totally agree...when will we see a lifetime ban on Muslim extremists chanting "Death to British Police"while holding banners calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam?
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
I believe that all in Britain have the right to freedom of expression so Mrs Walker maybe should have got a £50 fine instead for upsetting people, and THAT would be over the top in my view.
The law should apply equally to all regardless of whether we agree with certain groups' or individuals' agendas or not.
End of.
And for what? To create a pretext for something they were going to do anyway?
It makes no sense on any level whatsoever.
Duckorange
says...
12:45pm Wed 26 Sep 12
All you "Wake Up Britain!" types: The EDL were right behind her, and were even going to defend her in court, right up to the moment they were shown some of the letters.
Woomph, gone, like a rat up a drainpipe. Too racist even for the EDL knuckle-draggers
Woomph, gone, like a rat up a drainpipe. Too racist even for the EDL knuckle-draggers
B. L.
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2:13pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Ginger_cyclist !!!!
What comics do you get your information from and, more to the point, what chemicals are you on ?
You need serious help.
What comics do you get your information from and, more to the point, what chemicals are you on ?
You need serious help.
skin2000
says...
5:34pm Wed 26 Sep 12
BillyTheKid wrote:Very good post
The Crusades. We did them, all nine. Wipe out all non-Christians. "Excuse us, Saladin, but um, not quite sure how to put this, but we've decided that Jeruselem is our spiritual centre, so can you and your Muslim friends just push off ?"
The Slave Trade. Right at the heart of that, weren't we ? Just pop over to African, abduct thousands of natives, ship 'em off to the old New World thingy, and Bob's yer uncle. They get free labour, we get loadsamoney !
Colonialism ! Oh yes ! Walking into other people's countries uninvited, and taking over. What's wrong with that ? I mean we da mn well taught them how to play cricket, didn't we, and how to jolly well show respect for their betters ? Rule Britannia ! Had to sort Jerry out of course - tried to copy our ideas !
Why are we so self-righteous ? Answer : guilt for all the above.
Why does everyone hate us ?
Answer : all the above.
That's the history, and we really couldn't blame the Muslims if they took exception to western capitalism, and us generally wrecking the planet to make money.
The real truth is that the vast majority of people throughout the world have set the past aside and get on fine together. The extremists, and the old lady here could be classified as that, are the ones that get in the news and create a false impression.
Ginger_cyclist
says...
7:02pm Wed 26 Sep 12
St Retford wrote:They needed a reason to invade to avoid bringing attention to their true agenda which was and still is to gain control of oil reserves in the middle east.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:OK, ignore the documentaries you've seen: have you ever asked yourself why the US government would possibly do it? A conspiracy on that scale would require the involvement of thousands of people and it would be impossible to guarantee the silence of all of them. Once it got out that would be the end of the Republican party forever.
freefinker wrote:But it's not though because all of the stuff I mentioned is true, plenty of independent research can be found on the internet and it all points to the same conclusion, it was an inside job.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:OK, it is a debunked conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:They did actually because none of the evidence matches up, if the planes brought the towers down then they would have toppled, not fall straight down, it wasn't burning fuel that brought them down as older buildings have kept standing after being ablaze for a week, the towers were on fire for at most and hour, then there's the trace residue of thermite and explosives found in the wreckage, building 7 seemingly came down on it's own, it was demolished with explosives, the plane that was supposed to have hit the pentagon never existed, also the pilot who was supposed to be flying wasn't able to fly yet, let alone turn a jet through a 200 degree turn only meters from the ground, the part of the pentagon that got hit was where financial records were kept and there was structural work being carried out on the inside of that same wall, the plane that they say was ditched in a field never existed and the pilots who apparently flew the planes at the time were actually found alive and in hiding, now tell me it is a debunked conspiracy theory.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:No they didn't. That's a massively discredited conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:It's America, they even stooped so low as to kill those people in the WTC just for an excuse to go to Iran and Iraq to fight for oil.
SOULJACKER wrote:Which country is it that all runs around killing people? See if you can give an answer that isn't tabloid-driven.
Facewagon wrote:All Britain doesn't run around killing people does it, DUH!
protectfreespeech wrote:Which is it: all in Britain can say what they like, or radical Islamists shouldn't be allowed to get away with that kind of stunt?
SOULJACKER wrote:Totally agree...when will we see a lifetime ban on Muslim extremists chanting "Death to British Police"while holding banners calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam?
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
I believe that all in Britain have the right to freedom of expression so Mrs Walker maybe should have got a £50 fine instead for upsetting people, and THAT would be over the top in my view.
The law should apply equally to all regardless of whether we agree with certain groups' or individuals' agendas or not.
End of.
And for what? To create a pretext for something they were going to do anyway?
It makes no sense on any level whatsoever.
Ginger_cyclist
says...
7:09pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:Why is it that the US want to permanently "silence" Julian Assange? Because he uncovered secret files that show that everything I have said is true, this is why he is in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, so he can't be taken to the US and murdered or worse, turned into a walking vegetable, it was him who first found out that the WMD's that Saddam was supposed to have didn't exist, he leaked this to the press and the US were forced to admit that they lied but they won't admit they killed thousands of innocent people for financial gain.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:There is some conflicting evidence, therefore the only logical conclusion is that tens of thousands of people have managed to maintain a conspiracy for a decade.
freefinker wrote:But it's not though because all of the stuff I mentioned is true, plenty of independent research can be found on the internet and it all points to the same conclusion, it was an inside job.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:OK, it is a debunked conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:They did actually because none of the evidence matches up, if the planes brought the towers down then they would have toppled, not fall straight down, it wasn't burning fuel that brought them down as older buildings have kept standing after being ablaze for a week, the towers were on fire for at most and hour, then there's the trace residue of thermite and explosives found in the wreckage, building 7 seemingly came down on it's own, it was demolished with explosives, the plane that was supposed to have hit the pentagon never existed, also the pilot who was supposed to be flying wasn't able to fly yet, let alone turn a jet through a 200 degree turn only meters from the ground, the part of the pentagon that got hit was where financial records were kept and there was structural work being carried out on the inside of that same wall, the plane that they say was ditched in a field never existed and the pilots who apparently flew the planes at the time were actually found alive and in hiding, now tell me it is a debunked conspiracy theory.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:No they didn't. That's a massively discredited conspiracy theory.
Georgem wrote:It's America, they even stooped so low as to kill those people in the WTC just for an excuse to go to Iran and Iraq to fight for oil.
SOULJACKER wrote:Which country is it that all runs around killing people? See if you can give an answer that isn't tabloid-driven.
Facewagon wrote:All Britain doesn't run around killing people does it, DUH!
protectfreespeech wrote:Which is it: all in Britain can say what they like, or radical Islamists shouldn't be allowed to get away with that kind of stunt?
SOULJACKER wrote:Totally agree...when will we see a lifetime ban on Muslim extremists chanting "Death to British Police"while holding banners calling for the beheading of those who insult Islam?
Oh my Lord, whatever happened to freedom of speech in a democracy (cue the do gooders).
Probably not a good idea to put her thoughts in a letter but what a girl.......she is entitled to her opinion!
Everybody is so precious about "OH YOU CAN'T SAY THIS & THAT" well she isn't burning flags & killing people like some I could mention is she :D
Just saying........... ;)
I believe that all in Britain have the right to freedom of expression so Mrs Walker maybe should have got a £50 fine instead for upsetting people, and THAT would be over the top in my view.
The law should apply equally to all regardless of whether we agree with certain groups' or individuals' agendas or not.
End of.
Ginger_cyclist
says...
7:23pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Georgem wrote:Nope, it's true because I have read research that has been done on it and I've also gone over photo and video evidence with a fine tooth comb in immense detail, computer simulations show that the planes alone would not have brought down the twin towers, one day they will also recreate the impact of one of those planes into one of the towers in small scale with scale models, there's also too many inconsistencies in the US governments story of it.
"It's not debunked, because I said it's true"
Lol. You've been taking lessons in The Trivium from southy, I see.
Ginger_cyclist
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7:28pm Wed 26 Sep 12
B. L. wrote:No comics and I'm not on any chemicals, sometimes I wish I was though to dumb myself down to the average persons intelligence because it's rare you neurotypicals can understand the way I think or how I see the world.
Ginger_cyclist !!!!
What comics do you get your information from and, more to the point, what chemicals are you on ?
You need serious help.
BillyTheKid
says...
7:59pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Conspiracy theories sell newspapers, books, documentaries, and film scripts by the boatload. I suppose the assassination of President Kennedy is a prime example of this thriving industry.
Many crimes involve deceit in an attempt to escape detection. So from that point of view, perhaps conspiracy theories can be useful in that they ensure no stone is left unturned in any investigation.
Many crimes involve deceit in an attempt to escape detection. So from that point of view, perhaps conspiracy theories can be useful in that they ensure no stone is left unturned in any investigation.
BillyTheKid
says...
8:26pm Wed 26 Sep 12
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Ginger, if a young lad with qualifications in agriculture is privy to top secret documents and research material that could prove the American government murdered its own people to justify attacking Iraq and Iran, how come you have not been "eliminated" by the CIA ?
B. L. wrote:No comics and I'm not on any chemicals, sometimes I wish I was though to dumb myself down to the average persons intelligence because it's rare you neurotypicals can understand the way I think or how I see the world.
Ginger_cyclist !!!!
What comics do you get your information from and, more to the point, what chemicals are you on ?
You need serious help.
Secondly, please tell us the TRUTH about Father Christmas. I always had feelings of doubt when my parents and teachers denied his existence. Typical of parents to try and take credit for the genorosity of that kind old man in a red suit. Evidence ? The da mn presents at the foot of your bed on Christmas morning is your evidence ! What more proof could you want ? It is just a desperate attempt by parents to hang on to their children's affection by claiming that it was they, and not Santa, who put those presents there !
B. L.
says...
2:05pm Thu 27 Sep 12
BillyTheKid wrote:Ha ! Got him cornered now. Don't forget the Tooth Fairy, there's proof of her as well.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Ginger, if a young lad with qualifications in agriculture is privy to top secret documents and research material that could prove the American government murdered its own people to justify attacking Iraq and Iran, how come you have not been "eliminated" by the CIA ?
B. L. wrote:No comics and I'm not on any chemicals, sometimes I wish I was though to dumb myself down to the average persons intelligence because it's rare you neurotypicals can understand the way I think or how I see the world.
Ginger_cyclist !!!!
What comics do you get your information from and, more to the point, what chemicals are you on ?
You need serious help.
Secondly, please tell us the TRUTH about Father Christmas. I always had feelings of doubt when my parents and teachers denied his existence. Typical of parents to try and take credit for the genorosity of that kind old man in a red suit. Evidence ? The da mn presents at the foot of your bed on Christmas morning is your evidence ! What more proof could you want ? It is just a desperate attempt by parents to hang on to their children's affection by claiming that it was they, and not Santa, who put those presents there !
No doubt the superior intelligence of Ginger_cyclist will not admit it since that would mean having to dumb down to our "neurotypical" way of thinking.
He/she is right about one thing though, rare for anyone to understanding the way he/she thinks or how he/she sees the world. Definitely a psychological challenge there. :)
Ginger_cyclist
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7:47pm Thu 27 Sep 12
BillyTheKid wrote:Actually my qualifications are in fishery management, not agriculture and sure, there once was a guy called St. Nicholas but that was 100's of years ago so he's not alive anymore, and the reason they've not come after me is probably because they concentrate on high profile people.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Ginger, if a young lad with qualifications in agriculture is privy to top secret documents and research material that could prove the American government murdered its own people to justify attacking Iraq and Iran, how come you have not been "eliminated" by the CIA ?
B. L. wrote:No comics and I'm not on any chemicals, sometimes I wish I was though to dumb myself down to the average persons intelligence because it's rare you neurotypicals can understand the way I think or how I see the world.
Ginger_cyclist !!!!
What comics do you get your information from and, more to the point, what chemicals are you on ?
You need serious help.
Secondly, please tell us the TRUTH about Father Christmas. I always had feelings of doubt when my parents and teachers denied his existence. Typical of parents to try and take credit for the genorosity of that kind old man in a red suit. Evidence ? The da mn presents at the foot of your bed on Christmas morning is your evidence ! What more proof could you want ? It is just a desperate attempt by parents to hang on to their children's affection by claiming that it was they, and not Santa, who put those presents there !
Ginger_cyclist
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7:51pm Thu 27 Sep 12
B. L. wrote:Cornered? Really now? Do you know how stupid you're making yourself look? Then again you probably don't need to even do anything to look it and I was wrong, you're not neurotypical, you're brain dead.
BillyTheKid wrote:Ha ! Got him cornered now. Don't forget the Tooth Fairy, there's proof of her as well.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Ginger, if a young lad with qualifications in agriculture is privy to top secret documents and research material that could prove the American government murdered its own people to justify attacking Iraq and Iran, how come you have not been "eliminated" by the CIA ?
B. L. wrote:No comics and I'm not on any chemicals, sometimes I wish I was though to dumb myself down to the average persons intelligence because it's rare you neurotypicals can understand the way I think or how I see the world.
Ginger_cyclist !!!!
What comics do you get your information from and, more to the point, what chemicals are you on ?
You need serious help.
Secondly, please tell us the TRUTH about Father Christmas. I always had feelings of doubt when my parents and teachers denied his existence. Typical of parents to try and take credit for the genorosity of that kind old man in a red suit. Evidence ? The da mn presents at the foot of your bed on Christmas morning is your evidence ! What more proof could you want ? It is just a desperate attempt by parents to hang on to their children's affection by claiming that it was they, and not Santa, who put those presents there !
No doubt the superior intelligence of Ginger_cyclist will not admit it since that would mean having to dumb down to our "neurotypical" way of thinking.
He/she is right about one thing though, rare for anyone to understanding the way he/she thinks or how he/she sees the world. Definitely a psychological challenge there. :)
BillyTheKid
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8:19pm Thu 27 Sep 12
Been a bad day for you and Georgem, little Gingerbread Man !
Never mind, your posts are always interesting to read, and I hope everyone respects your sincerity. I do.
We were just having a little joke with you there, going out on a limb with the conspiracy theory.
Never mind, your posts are always interesting to read, and I hope everyone respects your sincerity. I do.
We were just having a little joke with you there, going out on a limb with the conspiracy theory.
B. L.
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3:08pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Really ? I'm not the wing nut here who is convinced that it was a conspiracy.
B. L. wrote:Cornered? Really now? Do you know how stupid you're making yourself look? Then again you probably don't need to even do anything to look it and I was wrong, you're not neurotypical, you're brain dead.
BillyTheKid wrote:Ha ! Got him cornered now. Don't forget the Tooth Fairy, there's proof of her as well.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Ginger, if a young lad with qualifications in agriculture is privy to top secret documents and research material that could prove the American government murdered its own people to justify attacking Iraq and Iran, how come you have not been "eliminated" by the CIA ?
B. L. wrote:No comics and I'm not on any chemicals, sometimes I wish I was though to dumb myself down to the average persons intelligence because it's rare you neurotypicals can understand the way I think or how I see the world.
Ginger_cyclist !!!!
What comics do you get your information from and, more to the point, what chemicals are you on ?
You need serious help.
Secondly, please tell us the TRUTH about Father Christmas. I always had feelings of doubt when my parents and teachers denied his existence. Typical of parents to try and take credit for the genorosity of that kind old man in a red suit. Evidence ? The da mn presents at the foot of your bed on Christmas morning is your evidence ! What more proof could you want ? It is just a desperate attempt by parents to hang on to their children's affection by claiming that it was they, and not Santa, who put those presents there !
No doubt the superior intelligence of Ginger_cyclist will not admit it since that would mean having to dumb down to our "neurotypical" way of thinking.
He/she is right about one thing though, rare for anyone to understanding the way he/she thinks or how he/she sees the world. Definitely a psychological challenge there. :)
"The CIA hasn't come after you because they only go after high profile people". Wow, and you said I'm brain dead.
Snowstorm says...
4:47pm Tue 25 Sep 12