Independent inquiry into conduct of Southampton City Council leader Richard Williams

Daily Echo: Southampton City Council leader Richard Williams Southampton City Council leader Richard Williams

AN independent inquiry is to be launched into the conduct of the leader of Southampton City Council following a Daily Echo investigation.

The council’s standards chief last night said he would be commissioning an investigation into whether or not Richard Williams and other councillors breached the authority’s code of conduct and other rules.

The Daily Echo yesterday revealed how Cllr Williams misled the public over the reasons for the resignation of a Cabinet member – and that his fellow Labour councillors later stood by him when they were told.

Opposition councillors last night welcomed the inquiry but repeated calls for Cllr Williams to resign and save taxpayers’ money.

Previously unpublished email correspondence obtained by the Daily Echo shattered claims by Cllr Williams that his efficiency tsar Keith Morrell had told him he had to quit due to ill health – when in fact he was fighting fit and had resigned on policy grounds.

A copy of Cllr Morrell’s resignation letter to Cllr Williams, published for the first time yesterday, made clear the council leader knew health concerns played no part in Cllr Morrell’s decision to quit.

Yet Cllr Williams requested the council’s communications department put out a statement to thousands of council staff and media saying Cllr Morrell had stepped down due to ill health.

Despite Cllr Morrell himself later admitting it was a “fiction” agreed at Cllr Williams’ suggestion to avoid a political embarrassment over a policy split, Cllr Williams has repeatedly insisted councillor Cllr Morrell only cited health reasons for his resignation.

Further emails revealed the city’s Labour councillors all knew their leader had given misleading statements about the reasons for Mr Morrell’s departure when they supported him in an unprecedented vote of no confidence brought by opposition Tories for “bringing the council into disrepute”.

Southampton City Council’s monitoring officer Mark Heath said: “In light of allegations made about the conduct of councillors, I will be commissioning an investigation to establish whether there has been a breach of the council’s code of conduct, adopted protocols and/or the national Code of Recommended Practice on Local Authority Publicity.

“The report and any findings of a breach will be considered by me and reported to full council.”

Opposition Tory leader Cllr Royston Smith said: “It’s the right thing to do. However, it’s going to cost a significant amount of public money to carry out to discover what we probably already know and Cllr Williams could save that money now by doing the decent thing and resign.”

Cllr Williams said last night: “I welcome the investigation that Mr Heath and the council are bringing forward. I think that’s the right thing, and the right way forward.”

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10:06am Sat 20 Oct 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Well done Echo ...... another quote from the failed ex leader.
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How do you do it ? ....... Do you have a reporter outside his front door.
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Or do you have a list of "Quotes" to pick from.
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What a pity your investigative journalism never extended to the ex leaders actions when he was in dictatorship .............. But there again ......... you would never investigate your own would you.
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Well done Echo ...... another quote from the failed ex leader. . How do you do it ? ....... Do you have a reporter outside his front door. . Or do you have a list of "Quotes" to pick from. . What a pity your investigative journalism never extended to the ex leaders actions when he was in dictatorship .............. But there again ......... you would never investigate your own would you. . Lone Ranger.
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11:16am Sat 20 Oct 12

mooky9 says...

I don't get your point? This needs to be looked at as, at face value the public have been downright lied to by the council and there are questions that need answering. Is it any surprise that publicity monkey smith is on hand with a quote - no, but that doesn't change the fact that this needs looking at.
I don't get your point? This needs to be looked at as, at face value the public have been downright lied to by the council and there are questions that need answering. Is it any surprise that publicity monkey smith is on hand with a quote - no, but that doesn't change the fact that this needs looking at. mooky9
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11:24am Sat 20 Oct 12

On the inside says...

Except Royston now does not want the truth citing costs as his problem. Perhaps the slaphead club (Royston and Echo editor) that want to run this city between them have something to hide.
Except Royston now does not want the truth citing costs as his problem. Perhaps the slaphead club (Royston and Echo editor) that want to run this city between them have something to hide. On the inside
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12:19pm Sat 20 Oct 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Your total commitment to NuLabour may be admirable, but moaning about Echo appears to be case of sour grapes.

Why blame the 'theocratically' free but in reality prejudiced press and not ask what kind of clever Charlies of your beloved NuLabour could have dragged what used to be a respectable organisation into stinking thick brown stuff.

Your good self and other well intentioned NuLabour supporters should rather than wasting time and energy on trying to justify immoralities of current crop of NuLabour councillors (led by more than dodgy Dear Leader and his Deputy who acts as his controller, because he is hardly ever around to do his job because of his love for work at the EU), be trying to replace them, before they can do even more serious damage to your Party.

I have the feeling that while trying to defend the obnoxious behaviour of NuLabourites in Civic Centre, you people are starting to lose sight of even bigger disaster, which lunacies of your unfit for the purpose councillors have created.

Please try to understand how forcing your Party's best asset Cllr. Don Thomas out of NuLabour is going to have knock on effect on the votes for Alan Whitehead in parliamentary election...

As I like many others have great respect for exceptionally able and hard working Whitehead as our MP, if you and your colleagues on this forum also care about his reputation then, please stop defending Williams, Rayment and their puppet councillors and start demanding immediate removal from office of whole of NuLabour Group, which has collectively created this chaos for your Party.

Otherwise in my opinion you people are only playing in hands of your opponents and putting your current MPs Denham and Whitehead into difficult situation, due to none of their faults. And who do you think is gaining out of this mess?... Certainly not the party you care about, and as a socialist I am not too keen upon
Your total commitment to NuLabour may be admirable, but moaning about Echo appears to be case of sour grapes. Why blame the 'theocratically' free but in reality prejudiced press and not ask what kind of clever Charlies of your beloved NuLabour could have dragged what used to be a respectable organisation into stinking thick brown stuff. Your good self and other well intentioned NuLabour supporters should rather than wasting time and energy on trying to justify immoralities of current crop of NuLabour councillors (led by more than dodgy Dear Leader and his Deputy who acts as his controller, because he is hardly ever around to do his job because of his love for work at the EU), be trying to replace them, before they can do even more serious damage to your Party. I have the feeling that while trying to defend the obnoxious behaviour of NuLabourites in Civic Centre, you people are starting to lose sight of even bigger disaster, which lunacies of your unfit for the purpose councillors have created. Please try to understand how forcing your Party's best asset Cllr. Don Thomas out of NuLabour is going to have knock on effect on the votes for Alan Whitehead in parliamentary election... As I like many others have great respect for exceptionally able and hard working Whitehead as our MP, if you and your colleagues on this forum also care about his reputation then, please stop defending Williams, Rayment and their puppet councillors and start demanding immediate removal from office of whole of NuLabour Group, which has collectively created this chaos for your Party. Otherwise in my opinion you people are only playing in hands of your opponents and putting your current MPs Denham and Whitehead into difficult situation, due to none of their faults. And who do you think is gaining out of this mess?... Certainly not the party you care about, and as a socialist I am not too keen upon Paramjit Bahia
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12:26pm Sat 20 Oct 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike?

I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people....

This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P
where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike? I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people.... This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P freemantlegirl2
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1:05pm Sat 20 Oct 12

loosehead says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike?

I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people....

This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P
You mean the strike against jobs?
Under Royston the refuse jobs were safe but took a 2% pay cut those who never even striked took a 5.5% pay cut.
Now they're( 2%) are getting their pay restored but are dropping legal action & are taking a cut in redundancy pay & pensions & then this council announces job cuts but wait a minute no redundancies as they can have temp jobs for 4 months or leave & after 4 months what then?
Sorry but if you still believe the workers are better of with this lying council there's no hope for you
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike? I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people.... This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P[/p][/quote]You mean the strike against jobs? Under Royston the refuse jobs were safe but took a 2% pay cut those who never even striked took a 5.5% pay cut. Now they're( 2%) are getting their pay restored but are dropping legal action & are taking a cut in redundancy pay & pensions & then this council announces job cuts but wait a minute no redundancies as they can have temp jobs for 4 months or leave & after 4 months what then? Sorry but if you still believe the workers are better of with this lying council there's no hope for you loosehead
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1:08pm Sat 20 Oct 12

loosehead says...

Paramjit is no Tory unlike me yet even he can't believe how you come on here supporting a proven liar?
A Labour council; that new he was lying but covered it up with lies?
As Don Thomas also knew what was going on he must have been part of it as well or why didn't he stand up & admit his leader was lying?
When will you all see the truth or is one of you just going to carry on calling me a hypocrite?
Paramjit is no Tory unlike me yet even he can't believe how you come on here supporting a proven liar? A Labour council; that new he was lying but covered it up with lies? As Don Thomas also knew what was going on he must have been part of it as well or why didn't he stand up & admit his leader was lying? When will you all see the truth or is one of you just going to carry on calling me a hypocrite? loosehead
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1:23pm Sat 20 Oct 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Inquiries are often exploited for kicking the issues into very long grass.

Even when they actually probe seriously, and don't do their usual white wash, their findings rarely get implemented in full. Establishment or people in power often cover their tracks with well rehearsed sound bites; most frequently used are a) We have learnt the lessons. Or b) Safeguards have already been implemented.

This shameful scandal is not limited to any one individual nor it is the case of an isolated unfortunate accident. It is too big with enormous implications.

Conspiring to lie to from a public platform is bad enough and immoral, but then actually implementing those concoctions of politically perverted brains by issuing false statement only makes situation worse, but then forcing whole Group of NuLabour councillors ( by applying three line whip) to support that out right lie only compounds the offence many times more.

This scandal of shame does not only dangle around the necks of only one or two rouge individuals, but it is too serious and involves every single member of the NuLabour Group.

By being fully aware of the fact that purest form of dishonest garbage was dished out for public consumption in the name of their dishonest and disgraceful Dear Leader, with blessings of their Deputy Leader (who still retains the cheek to be NuLabour candidate for Police Commissioner's job) collectively all of them have become integral part of this most shameful scandalous web in the known history of Southampton Council.

If any of these councillors still has even any smallest drop of decency left in their otherwise NuLabour contaminated blood, and any thought of principles upon which The Labour Party was based then they should voluntarily leave otherwise they should also not only be booted out of Council but also banned from holding public office.

As a socialist I may not be keen on Closet Conservative and Disraeli inspired NuLabour but I believe in giving honest advice to old colleagues: So in my opinion NuLabour Party itself should stop wasting time and start demanding resignation of all it's local councillors and if they refuse kick them out of the Party for good.

Otherwise people who care about our democracy should reach across political divides and campaign for the removal of liars and those who participated in cover ups from the Council.
Inquiries are often exploited for kicking the issues into very long grass. Even when they actually probe seriously, and don't do their usual white wash, their findings rarely get implemented in full. Establishment or people in power often cover their tracks with well rehearsed sound bites; most frequently used are a) We have learnt the lessons. Or b) Safeguards have already been implemented. This shameful scandal is not limited to any one individual nor it is the case of an isolated unfortunate accident. It is too big with enormous implications. Conspiring to lie to from a public platform is bad enough and immoral, but then actually implementing those concoctions of politically perverted brains by issuing false statement only makes situation worse, but then forcing whole Group of NuLabour councillors ( by applying three line whip) to support that out right lie only compounds the offence many times more. This scandal of shame does not only dangle around the necks of only one or two rouge individuals, but it is too serious and involves every single member of the NuLabour Group. By being fully aware of the fact that purest form of dishonest garbage was dished out for public consumption in the name of their dishonest and disgraceful Dear Leader, with blessings of their Deputy Leader (who still retains the cheek to be NuLabour candidate for Police Commissioner's job) collectively all of them have become integral part of this most shameful scandalous web in the known history of Southampton Council. If any of these councillors still has even any smallest drop of decency left in their otherwise NuLabour contaminated blood, and any thought of principles upon which The Labour Party was based then they should voluntarily leave otherwise they should also not only be booted out of Council but also banned from holding public office. As a socialist I may not be keen on Closet Conservative and Disraeli inspired NuLabour but I believe in giving honest advice to old colleagues: So in my opinion NuLabour Party itself should stop wasting time and start demanding resignation of all it's local councillors and if they refuse kick them out of the Party for good. Otherwise people who care about our democracy should reach across political divides and campaign for the removal of liars and those who participated in cover ups from the Council. Paramjit Bahia
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1:50pm Sat 20 Oct 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

loosehead wrote:
Paramjit is no Tory unlike me yet even he can't believe how you come on here supporting a proven liar?
A Labour council; that new he was lying but covered it up with lies?
As Don Thomas also knew what was going on he must have been part of it as well or why didn't he stand up & admit his leader was lying?
When will you all see the truth or is one of you just going to carry on calling me a hypocrite?
As I was in the public gallery at the special Council meeting when your beloved Tories rightly had raised this matter, I can confirm that Cllr. Don Thomas did not speak on that motion and all Keith Morrell said was that he has been faithful member of Labour Party... Which was clever way of making it clear thar he was not exactly supporting Dear Leader

As there was three line whip, Don obeyed it just like members of your Conservative Party often do in various councils up and down the country and also in parliament.

I remember on the crucial vote Don could hardly lift his finger to vote, unlike arm held high by Cllr. Sally Spicer and most of the rest.

Since then both Don and Keith in fact have left the NuLabour Group thus disassociating from actions of others.

Even your party's local leaders have publically praised Don and Keith but for some reason you still keep on playing anti Don tune....

Is it your coded expression of complete disgust with Smith and Moulton or you happen to be lose or odd Tory ball on your own?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Paramjit is no Tory unlike me yet even he can't believe how you come on here supporting a proven liar? A Labour council; that new he was lying but covered it up with lies? As Don Thomas also knew what was going on he must have been part of it as well or why didn't he stand up & admit his leader was lying? When will you all see the truth or is one of you just going to carry on calling me a hypocrite?[/p][/quote]As I was in the public gallery at the special Council meeting when your beloved Tories rightly had raised this matter, I can confirm that Cllr. Don Thomas did not speak on that motion and all Keith Morrell said was that he has been faithful member of Labour Party... Which was clever way of making it clear thar he was not exactly supporting Dear Leader As there was three line whip, Don obeyed it just like members of your Conservative Party often do in various councils up and down the country and also in parliament. I remember on the crucial vote Don could hardly lift his finger to vote, unlike arm held high by Cllr. Sally Spicer and most of the rest. Since then both Don and Keith in fact have left the NuLabour Group thus disassociating from actions of others. Even your party's local leaders have publically praised Don and Keith but for some reason you still keep on playing anti Don tune.... Is it your coded expression of complete disgust with Smith and Moulton or you happen to be lose or odd Tory ball on your own? Paramjit Bahia
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2:01pm Sat 20 Oct 12

Over the Edge says...

I bet Royston and Ian Murray are jizzing at the thought of an investigation.
I bet Royston and Ian Murray are jizzing at the thought of an investigation. Over the Edge
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2:24pm Sat 20 Oct 12

aldermoorboy says...

I know Smith and Moulton, they are honest decent men who do their best for this great city.
If you hold public office and lie to the voters you should do the decent thing and resign.
I feel sorry for the young Labour councillors who were encourage to hide the truth by the more experienced Labour councillors, I believe they should resign now and save this city more money.
Although I do not agree with some of Paramjit views, he is 100% correct about honesty and Labour supporters on this subject who cannot face up to that do their party no favours.
Why no comment from our Labour MP's?
Is Denham still backing Rayment ?
I STILL CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW LABOUR COUNCILLORS VOTED FOR WILLIAMS KNOWING IT MADE THEIR HONEST COLLEAGUE MORRELL LOOK LIKE A LIAR?
I know Smith and Moulton, they are honest decent men who do their best for this great city. If you hold public office and lie to the voters you should do the decent thing and resign. I feel sorry for the young Labour councillors who were encourage to hide the truth by the more experienced Labour councillors, I believe they should resign now and save this city more money. Although I do not agree with some of Paramjit views, he is 100% correct about honesty and Labour supporters on this subject who cannot face up to that do their party no favours. Why no comment from our Labour MP's? Is Denham still backing Rayment ? I STILL CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW LABOUR COUNCILLORS VOTED FOR WILLIAMS KNOWING IT MADE THEIR HONEST COLLEAGUE MORRELL LOOK LIKE A LIAR? aldermoorboy
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2:47pm Sat 20 Oct 12

FoysCornerBoy says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike?

I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people....

This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P
I too am worried by the consistent political bias of the Echo's editorial team. Independent analysis will show that the proportion of column centimetres devoted by this newspaper to the views of Conservatives and other opponents of Labour over the past six months is four times greater than that afforded to those of the Labour Party and its supporters.

I can accept that its fair game to have a regular pop at the party in power. I can even accept sensationalist reporting and headlines if it helps us to arrive at the truth. What I find disturbing, though, is poor and often deliberately inaccurate reporting in order to pursue a particular position.

It has been suggested to me that one reason for this systematic bias is the Editor's personal dislike of Labour leader, Richard Williams concerning a court case which he lost some while ago. If true this would be very worrying indeed.

The Echo has a monopoly locally and I think it should be careful not to exploit this for narrow political ends. As we've seen with so many of the national newspaper titles, the very fabric of democracy is being eroded in the name of a 'free' press.
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike? I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people.... This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P[/p][/quote]I too am worried by the consistent political bias of the Echo's editorial team. Independent analysis will show that the proportion of column centimetres devoted by this newspaper to the views of Conservatives and other opponents of Labour over the past six months is four times greater than that afforded to those of the Labour Party and its supporters. I can accept that its fair game to have a regular pop at the party in power. I can even accept sensationalist reporting and headlines if it helps us to arrive at the truth. What I find disturbing, though, is poor and often deliberately inaccurate reporting in order to pursue a particular position. It has been suggested to me that one reason for this systematic bias is the Editor's personal dislike of Labour leader, Richard Williams concerning a court case which he lost some while ago. If true this would be very worrying indeed. The Echo has a monopoly locally and I think it should be careful not to exploit this for narrow political ends. As we've seen with so many of the national newspaper titles, the very fabric of democracy is being eroded in the name of a 'free' press. FoysCornerBoy
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5:06pm Sat 20 Oct 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Answer to simple question if virtually sacred principle of 'Free Press' is often abused by profession of journalism, which in one public opinion got exposed to be even less respectable for reliability than even prostitution, then answer has got to be resounding YES.

Daily Echo can't be exception to that practice of abusing its perceived power.

So yes to expect complete fairness from not only Echo even from Morning Star is asking bit too much....(I have mentioned Morning Star based upon experience, how they run away from covering the subjects which even The Guardian thought was worthy of main news on its front page, and Torygraph wanted the same story but I'd already given it to The Guardian).

BUT rather than keep on moaning about Echo, why do we on the so called left (Sadly many NuLabour's side kicks also tend to masquerade as lefties when it suits them for votes), keep on handing the gifts to already biased press on the plate?

When are we going to get our acts together, and get rid of our own scum bags, liars cheats and hypocrites enemies of what used to party of ordinary working people and was known with affection as The Labour Party?

I may have left NuLabour to stay socialist and stick with Labour values way back in 1996, but I believe even under its Tory of dark times (for ordinary working class) Disraeli inspired leadership there are still some decent people left in this now Conservatised Party, where they are crucifying their socialist souls on daily basis.

And it still has some elected representatives who work hard to help people in solving their problems with ruthless pen pushers of the establishment. For example Southampton's two Members of Parliament... John Denham and Alan Whitehead.

So for the sake of people who are depending upon help and advice from John and Alan if not for their now de facto right wing and unreliable bits of the Tory Party’s NuLabour Section, I request NuLabour supporters on this site to stop blindly supporting NuLabour's local councillors Group because they belong to their own tribe. These self serving parasites of their party and people of Southampton have been caught with their pants down while collectively behaving badly. They have turned out to be dishonest and disgrace to our cherished democracy. PLEASE, give up this tribalism, this is my humble request.
Answer to simple question if virtually sacred principle of 'Free Press' is often abused by profession of journalism, which in one public opinion got exposed to be even less respectable for reliability than even prostitution, then answer has got to be resounding YES. Daily Echo can't be exception to that practice of abusing its perceived power. So yes to expect complete fairness from not only Echo even from Morning Star is asking bit too much....(I have mentioned Morning Star based upon experience, how they run away from covering the subjects which even The Guardian thought was worthy of main news on its front page, and Torygraph wanted the same story but I'd already given it to The Guardian). BUT rather than keep on moaning about Echo, why do we on the so called left (Sadly many NuLabour's side kicks also tend to masquerade as lefties when it suits them for votes), keep on handing the gifts to already biased press on the plate? When are we going to get our acts together, and get rid of our own scum bags, liars cheats and hypocrites enemies of what used to party of ordinary working people and was known with affection as The Labour Party? I may have left NuLabour to stay socialist and stick with Labour values way back in 1996, but I believe even under its Tory of dark times (for ordinary working class) Disraeli inspired leadership there are still some decent people left in this now Conservatised Party, where they are crucifying their socialist souls on daily basis. And it still has some elected representatives who work hard to help people in solving their problems with ruthless pen pushers of the establishment. For example Southampton's two Members of Parliament... John Denham and Alan Whitehead. So for the sake of people who are depending upon help and advice from John and Alan if not for their now de facto right wing and unreliable bits of the Tory Party’s NuLabour Section, I request NuLabour supporters on this site to stop blindly supporting NuLabour's local councillors Group because they belong to their own tribe. These self serving parasites of their party and people of Southampton have been caught with their pants down while collectively behaving badly. They have turned out to be dishonest and disgrace to our cherished democracy. PLEASE, give up this tribalism, this is my humble request. Paramjit Bahia
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5:11pm Sat 20 Oct 12

james47 says...

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike?

I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people....

This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P
I too am worried by the consistent political bias of the Echo's editorial team. Independent analysis will show that the proportion of column centimetres devoted by this newspaper to the views of Conservatives and other opponents of Labour over the past six months is four times greater than that afforded to those of the Labour Party and its supporters.

I can accept that its fair game to have a regular pop at the party in power. I can even accept sensationalist reporting and headlines if it helps us to arrive at the truth. What I find disturbing, though, is poor and often deliberately inaccurate reporting in order to pursue a particular position.

It has been suggested to me that one reason for this systematic bias is the Editor's personal dislike of Labour leader, Richard Williams concerning a court case which he lost some while ago. If true this would be very worrying indeed.

The Echo has a monopoly locally and I think it should be careful not to exploit this for narrow political ends. As we've seen with so many of the national newspaper titles, the very fabric of democracy is being eroded in the name of a 'free' press.
is that free press like the "unbiased" BBC?

Labour Leader Williams = lies to public, press and instructs public officials at SCC to spend taxpayers cash promoting the lie...

BBC = silent.

Yes, BBC, very balanced. No left wing bias at all....

Sounds like a slight (ahem) left wing BBC bias....
[quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike? I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people.... This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P[/p][/quote]I too am worried by the consistent political bias of the Echo's editorial team. Independent analysis will show that the proportion of column centimetres devoted by this newspaper to the views of Conservatives and other opponents of Labour over the past six months is four times greater than that afforded to those of the Labour Party and its supporters. I can accept that its fair game to have a regular pop at the party in power. I can even accept sensationalist reporting and headlines if it helps us to arrive at the truth. What I find disturbing, though, is poor and often deliberately inaccurate reporting in order to pursue a particular position. It has been suggested to me that one reason for this systematic bias is the Editor's personal dislike of Labour leader, Richard Williams concerning a court case which he lost some while ago. If true this would be very worrying indeed. The Echo has a monopoly locally and I think it should be careful not to exploit this for narrow political ends. As we've seen with so many of the national newspaper titles, the very fabric of democracy is being eroded in the name of a 'free' press.[/p][/quote]is that free press like the "unbiased" BBC? Labour Leader Williams = lies to public, press and instructs public officials at SCC to spend taxpayers cash promoting the lie... BBC = silent. Yes, BBC, very balanced. No left wing bias at all.... Sounds like a slight (ahem) left wing BBC bias.... james47
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5:18pm Sat 20 Oct 12

james47 says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike?

I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people....

This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P
Interesting point. Humour me:
1. clarify what wheeling/dealing/fib
bing you are talking about?
2. clarify what conduct/behaviour you are talking about?
3. do you not think that if Labour could pin something on smith-moulton they would not have done it by now?

Or are you just making up nonsense in a desperate attempt to muddy the waters?

Are you secretly Southy in disguise?
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike? I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people.... This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P[/p][/quote]Interesting point. Humour me: 1. clarify what wheeling/dealing/fib bing you are talking about? 2. clarify what conduct/behaviour you are talking about? 3. do you not think that if Labour could pin something on smith-moulton they would not have done it by now? Or are you just making up nonsense in a desperate attempt to muddy the waters? Are you secretly Southy in disguise? james47
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5:25pm Sat 20 Oct 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
I know Smith and Moulton, they are honest decent men who do their best for this great city.
If you hold public office and lie to the voters you should do the decent thing and resign.
I feel sorry for the young Labour councillors who were encourage to hide the truth by the more experienced Labour councillors, I believe they should resign now and save this city more money.
Although I do not agree with some of Paramjit views, he is 100% correct about honesty and Labour supporters on this subject who cannot face up to that do their party no favours.
Why no comment from our Labour MP's?
Is Denham still backing Rayment ?
I STILL CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW LABOUR COUNCILLORS VOTED FOR WILLIAMS KNOWING IT MADE THEIR HONEST COLLEAGUE MORRELL LOOK LIKE A LIAR?
What you think may be inexperienced young councillors so may have been manipulated by NuLabour's local leadership, in fact are main cause of this current problem.

They are more nasty than even your self confessed nasty party. They are very vindictive, rude, mischief makers and virtual yobs of political world.

If I was a Tory (I need a mouth wash for saying that!) which I will never be, I will be thankful to these mobsters because they will completely cook the goose of their party.

So you should be popping around the corner and presenting flowers to your local councillor Spicer, who was going to move heaven and earth over Oaklands but then her bulldozer probably broke down....
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: I know Smith and Moulton, they are honest decent men who do their best for this great city. If you hold public office and lie to the voters you should do the decent thing and resign. I feel sorry for the young Labour councillors who were encourage to hide the truth by the more experienced Labour councillors, I believe they should resign now and save this city more money. Although I do not agree with some of Paramjit views, he is 100% correct about honesty and Labour supporters on this subject who cannot face up to that do their party no favours. Why no comment from our Labour MP's? Is Denham still backing Rayment ? I STILL CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW LABOUR COUNCILLORS VOTED FOR WILLIAMS KNOWING IT MADE THEIR HONEST COLLEAGUE MORRELL LOOK LIKE A LIAR?[/p][/quote]What you think may be inexperienced young councillors so may have been manipulated by NuLabour's local leadership, in fact are main cause of this current problem. They are more nasty than even your self confessed nasty party. They are very vindictive, rude, mischief makers and virtual yobs of political world. If I was a Tory (I need a mouth wash for saying that!) which I will never be, I will be thankful to these mobsters because they will completely cook the goose of their party. So you should be popping around the corner and presenting flowers to your local councillor Spicer, who was going to move heaven and earth over Oaklands but then her bulldozer probably broke down.... Paramjit Bahia
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5:29pm Sat 20 Oct 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

james47 wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike?

I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people....

This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P
Interesting point. Humour me:
1. clarify what wheeling/dealing/fib

bing you are talking about?
2. clarify what conduct/behaviour you are talking about?
3. do you not think that if Labour could pin something on smith-moulton they would not have done it by now?

Or are you just making up nonsense in a desperate attempt to muddy the waters?

Are you secretly Southy in disguise?
No she is not Southy in disguise, is person in her own right with independent views of her own.
[quote][p][bold]james47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike? I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people.... This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P[/p][/quote]Interesting point. Humour me: 1. clarify what wheeling/dealing/fib bing you are talking about? 2. clarify what conduct/behaviour you are talking about? 3. do you not think that if Labour could pin something on smith-moulton they would not have done it by now? Or are you just making up nonsense in a desperate attempt to muddy the waters? Are you secretly Southy in disguise?[/p][/quote]No she is not Southy in disguise, is person in her own right with independent views of her own. Paramjit Bahia
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5:37pm Sat 20 Oct 12

FoysCornerBoy says...

james47 wrote:
FoysCornerBoy wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike?

I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people....

This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P
I too am worried by the consistent political bias of the Echo's editorial team. Independent analysis will show that the proportion of column centimetres devoted by this newspaper to the views of Conservatives and other opponents of Labour over the past six months is four times greater than that afforded to those of the Labour Party and its supporters.

I can accept that its fair game to have a regular pop at the party in power. I can even accept sensationalist reporting and headlines if it helps us to arrive at the truth. What I find disturbing, though, is poor and often deliberately inaccurate reporting in order to pursue a particular position.

It has been suggested to me that one reason for this systematic bias is the Editor's personal dislike of Labour leader, Richard Williams concerning a court case which he lost some while ago. If true this would be very worrying indeed.

The Echo has a monopoly locally and I think it should be careful not to exploit this for narrow political ends. As we've seen with so many of the national newspaper titles, the very fabric of democracy is being eroded in the name of a 'free' press.
is that free press like the "unbiased" BBC?

Labour Leader Williams = lies to public, press and instructs public officials at SCC to spend taxpayers cash promoting the lie...

BBC = silent.

Yes, BBC, very balanced. No left wing bias at all....

Sounds like a slight (ahem) left wing BBC bias....
My understanding is that the BBC is governed by a statute that prohibits bias and ensures balance.The only exception here is in terms of religious programmes which seem to provide a disproportionate amount of airtime to the established churches.

I'd be interested to see the evidence of your claims of political bias at the BBC. You'll be telling me next that Sally Taylor is a closet Trotskyite or that the BBC's political editor - Nick Robinson - was never chairman of the Conservative club at Oxford University.
[quote][p][bold]james47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike? I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people.... This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P[/p][/quote]I too am worried by the consistent political bias of the Echo's editorial team. Independent analysis will show that the proportion of column centimetres devoted by this newspaper to the views of Conservatives and other opponents of Labour over the past six months is four times greater than that afforded to those of the Labour Party and its supporters. I can accept that its fair game to have a regular pop at the party in power. I can even accept sensationalist reporting and headlines if it helps us to arrive at the truth. What I find disturbing, though, is poor and often deliberately inaccurate reporting in order to pursue a particular position. It has been suggested to me that one reason for this systematic bias is the Editor's personal dislike of Labour leader, Richard Williams concerning a court case which he lost some while ago. If true this would be very worrying indeed. The Echo has a monopoly locally and I think it should be careful not to exploit this for narrow political ends. As we've seen with so many of the national newspaper titles, the very fabric of democracy is being eroded in the name of a 'free' press.[/p][/quote]is that free press like the "unbiased" BBC? Labour Leader Williams = lies to public, press and instructs public officials at SCC to spend taxpayers cash promoting the lie... BBC = silent. Yes, BBC, very balanced. No left wing bias at all.... Sounds like a slight (ahem) left wing BBC bias....[/p][/quote]My understanding is that the BBC is governed by a statute that prohibits bias and ensures balance.The only exception here is in terms of religious programmes which seem to provide a disproportionate amount of airtime to the established churches. I'd be interested to see the evidence of your claims of political bias at the BBC. You'll be telling me next that Sally Taylor is a closet Trotskyite or that the BBC's political editor - Nick Robinson - was never chairman of the Conservative club at Oxford University. FoysCornerBoy
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6:11pm Sat 20 Oct 12

SaintsBTGOG says...

No surprise reallu.

Liebour should be dismantled for war crimes.

There sad bootboys in london today thinking they are living in cuba.

pathetic
No surprise reallu. Liebour should be dismantled for war crimes. There sad bootboys in london today thinking they are living in cuba. pathetic SaintsBTGOG
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6:46pm Sat 20 Oct 12

Nod says...

The reason the Daily Echo are reporting more stories on the Labour Council and asking the opposition to reply: The Labour lead council keep on making lunatic decisions that hand stories on a platter to the paper.

Is there's no mess to be reported on they'll just be able to get on with their business.

Sadly, for Southampton residents,we've got put put up with this council until May 2014.

I've got a feeling that the Echo will be readily supplied by a lot of column inches in that time.
The reason the Daily Echo are reporting more stories on the Labour Council and asking the opposition to reply: The Labour lead council keep on making lunatic decisions that hand stories on a platter to the paper. Is there's no mess to be reported on they'll just be able to get on with their business. Sadly, for Southampton residents,we've got put put up with this council until May 2014. I've got a feeling that the Echo will be readily supplied by a lot of column inches in that time. Nod
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8:01pm Sat 20 Oct 12

geoff51 says...

Typical Labour, They lied under Blair, they lied under Brown, they even lied under Wilson.
Lying is endemic in the Labour Party depending on which strings their Union puppet masters are pulling at the time.
This council is no different, they cant even lie straight in bed.
Well citizens of Southampton you voted this bunch of crooks into power now you are just going to have to live with your error.
Thankfully I live in Tory New Forest!
Typical Labour, They lied under Blair, they lied under Brown, they even lied under Wilson. Lying is endemic in the Labour Party depending on which strings their Union puppet masters are pulling at the time. This council is no different, they cant even lie straight in bed. Well citizens of Southampton you voted this bunch of crooks into power now you are just going to have to live with your error. Thankfully I live in Tory New Forest! geoff51
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8:17pm Sat 20 Oct 12

Linesman says...

geoff51 wrote:
Typical Labour, They lied under Blair, they lied under Brown, they even lied under Wilson.
Lying is endemic in the Labour Party depending on which strings their Union puppet masters are pulling at the time.
This council is no different, they cant even lie straight in bed.
Well citizens of Southampton you voted this bunch of crooks into power now you are just going to have to live with your error.
Thankfully I live in Tory New Forest!
Bit like Cameron saying that the NHS would be safe under the Tories.

Bit like Mitchell saying that he never called the cops plebs.

Bit like Cameron saying, when he was in Iraq, that he would support the troops all the way, but saw them made redundant when they got home.

Clegg at least had the balls to say sorry for breaking a promise, but not the Tories.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Typical Labour, They lied under Blair, they lied under Brown, they even lied under Wilson. Lying is endemic in the Labour Party depending on which strings their Union puppet masters are pulling at the time. This council is no different, they cant even lie straight in bed. Well citizens of Southampton you voted this bunch of crooks into power now you are just going to have to live with your error. Thankfully I live in Tory New Forest![/p][/quote]Bit like Cameron saying that the NHS would be safe under the Tories. Bit like Mitchell saying that he never called the cops plebs. Bit like Cameron saying, when he was in Iraq, that he would support the troops all the way, but saw them made redundant when they got home. Clegg at least had the balls to say sorry for breaking a promise, but not the Tories. Linesman
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8:30pm Sat 20 Oct 12

geoff51 says...

Linesman wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Typical Labour, They lied under Blair, they lied under Brown, they even lied under Wilson.
Lying is endemic in the Labour Party depending on which strings their Union puppet masters are pulling at the time.
This council is no different, they cant even lie straight in bed.
Well citizens of Southampton you voted this bunch of crooks into power now you are just going to have to live with your error.
Thankfully I live in Tory New Forest!
Bit like Cameron saying that the NHS would be safe under the Tories.

Bit like Mitchell saying that he never called the cops plebs.

Bit like Cameron saying, when he was in Iraq, that he would support the troops all the way, but saw them made redundant when they got home.

Clegg at least had the balls to say sorry for breaking a promise, but not the Tories.
Sorry, you are a Labour man so you must be lying too!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Typical Labour, They lied under Blair, they lied under Brown, they even lied under Wilson. Lying is endemic in the Labour Party depending on which strings their Union puppet masters are pulling at the time. This council is no different, they cant even lie straight in bed. Well citizens of Southampton you voted this bunch of crooks into power now you are just going to have to live with your error. Thankfully I live in Tory New Forest![/p][/quote]Bit like Cameron saying that the NHS would be safe under the Tories. Bit like Mitchell saying that he never called the cops plebs. Bit like Cameron saying, when he was in Iraq, that he would support the troops all the way, but saw them made redundant when they got home. Clegg at least had the balls to say sorry for breaking a promise, but not the Tories.[/p][/quote]Sorry, you are a Labour man so you must be lying too! geoff51
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8:54pm Sat 20 Oct 12

IronLady2010 says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike?

I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people....

This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P
The main issue is that Royston was honest with us and many didn't like this honest hence the strikes etc.

The Echo reported all the statements issued by Royston whilst he was leader, many didn't like those statements, but as far as I'm aware he didn't lie to the public or at least nothing of the sort has ever come to light. He was very unpopular for being honest.

On the other hand we have a current Leadership who has potentially lied to us, have promised to restore cuts which were made public by the Echo and we are all waiting to see how all this will be paid for.

I'm not a fan of Labour, but as a resident I hope they sort everything out and do the best job they can in the interest of all residents.
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike? I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people.... This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P[/p][/quote]The main issue is that Royston was honest with us and many didn't like this honest hence the strikes etc. The Echo reported all the statements issued by Royston whilst he was leader, many didn't like those statements, but as far as I'm aware he didn't lie to the public or at least nothing of the sort has ever come to light. He was very unpopular for being honest. On the other hand we have a current Leadership who has potentially lied to us, have promised to restore cuts which were made public by the Echo and we are all waiting to see how all this will be paid for. I'm not a fan of Labour, but as a resident I hope they sort everything out and do the best job they can in the interest of all residents. IronLady2010
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9:18pm Sat 20 Oct 12

Linesman says...

geoff51 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Typical Labour, They lied under Blair, they lied under Brown, they even lied under Wilson.
Lying is endemic in the Labour Party depending on which strings their Union puppet masters are pulling at the time.
This council is no different, they cant even lie straight in bed.
Well citizens of Southampton you voted this bunch of crooks into power now you are just going to have to live with your error.
Thankfully I live in Tory New Forest!
Bit like Cameron saying that the NHS would be safe under the Tories.

Bit like Mitchell saying that he never called the cops plebs.

Bit like Cameron saying, when he was in Iraq, that he would support the troops all the way, but saw them made redundant when they got home.

Clegg at least had the balls to say sorry for breaking a promise, but not the Tories.
Sorry, you are a Labour man so you must be lying too!
That poses the problem.

If I say that I am Labour, then you would think that I am lying, and come to the conclusion that I was a Tory.

Confusing!
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Typical Labour, They lied under Blair, they lied under Brown, they even lied under Wilson. Lying is endemic in the Labour Party depending on which strings their Union puppet masters are pulling at the time. This council is no different, they cant even lie straight in bed. Well citizens of Southampton you voted this bunch of crooks into power now you are just going to have to live with your error. Thankfully I live in Tory New Forest![/p][/quote]Bit like Cameron saying that the NHS would be safe under the Tories. Bit like Mitchell saying that he never called the cops plebs. Bit like Cameron saying, when he was in Iraq, that he would support the troops all the way, but saw them made redundant when they got home. Clegg at least had the balls to say sorry for breaking a promise, but not the Tories.[/p][/quote]Sorry, you are a Labour man so you must be lying too![/p][/quote]That poses the problem. If I say that I am Labour, then you would think that I am lying, and come to the conclusion that I was a Tory. Confusing! Linesman
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9:25pm Sat 20 Oct 12

geoff51 says...

Ah yes but if you said you were a Tory then you would be true to form and a Labour liar Not confusing!
Ah yes but if you said you were a Tory then you would be true to form and a Labour liar Not confusing! geoff51
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9:32pm Sat 20 Oct 12

loosehead says...

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike?

I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people....

This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P
I too am worried by the consistent political bias of the Echo's editorial team. Independent analysis will show that the proportion of column centimetres devoted by this newspaper to the views of Conservatives and other opponents of Labour over the past six months is four times greater than that afforded to those of the Labour Party and its supporters.

I can accept that its fair game to have a regular pop at the party in power. I can even accept sensationalist reporting and headlines if it helps us to arrive at the truth. What I find disturbing, though, is poor and often deliberately inaccurate reporting in order to pursue a particular position.

It has been suggested to me that one reason for this systematic bias is the Editor's personal dislike of Labour leader, Richard Williams concerning a court case which he lost some while ago. If true this would be very worrying indeed.

The Echo has a monopoly locally and I think it should be careful not to exploit this for narrow political ends. As we've seen with so many of the national newspaper titles, the very fabric of democracy is being eroded in the name of a 'free' press.
Williams gave an interview to the Echo they printed what he'd said then an emergency meeting of the Labour Party & I think the Unions & suddenly the Echo were lying?
Williams said he never said it so as a paper would you want to print anything Williams said?
As if you did he would/could once again call you a liar?
I don't think for one minute that the Editor of this paper is against the left but I do believe they're against anyone who lies to get power
[quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: where is the Inquiry into Smith's wheeling/dealing and fibbing during the dustbin strike? I think it's good there is scrutiny for ALL council members but the Echo is showing it's unbelievable bias - there was no such investigation into Smith and his cronies about their conduct and behaviour during the strike was there? that's what I'd really like to know and how much money was wasted on that! and whether Royston was 'misleading' people.... This is all a storm in a teacup created by the Echo and their secret handshake club. 'If' Cllr Williams is proved to have behaved inappropriately then fine and he should be subject to due process, like anyone else. If not, then I'm sure the Echo will be the first to put the record straight :P[/p][/quote]I too am worried by the consistent political bias of the Echo's editorial team. Independent analysis will show that the proportion of column centimetres devoted by this newspaper to the views of Conservatives and other opponents of Labour over the past six months is four times greater than that afforded to those of the Labour Party and its supporters. I can accept that its fair game to have a regular pop at the party in power. I can even accept sensationalist reporting and headlines if it helps us to arrive at the truth. What I find disturbing, though, is poor and often deliberately inaccurate reporting in order to pursue a particular position. It has been suggested to me that one reason for this systematic bias is the Editor's personal dislike of Labour leader, Richard Williams concerning a court case which he lost some while ago. If true this would be very worrying indeed. The Echo has a monopoly locally and I think it should be careful not to exploit this for narrow political ends. As we've seen with so many of the national newspaper titles, the very fabric of democracy is being eroded in the name of a 'free' press.[/p][/quote]Williams gave an interview to the Echo they printed what he'd said then an emergency meeting of the Labour Party & I think the Unions & suddenly the Echo were lying? Williams said he never said it so as a paper would you want to print anything Williams said? As if you did he would/could once again call you a liar? I don't think for one minute that the Editor of this paper is against the left but I do believe they're against anyone who lies to get power loosehead
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9:42pm Sat 20 Oct 12

loosehead says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Paramjit is no Tory unlike me yet even he can't believe how you come on here supporting a proven liar?
A Labour council; that new he was lying but covered it up with lies?
As Don Thomas also knew what was going on he must have been part of it as well or why didn't he stand up & admit his leader was lying?
When will you all see the truth or is one of you just going to carry on calling me a hypocrite?
As I was in the public gallery at the special Council meeting when your beloved Tories rightly had raised this matter, I can confirm that Cllr. Don Thomas did not speak on that motion and all Keith Morrell said was that he has been faithful member of Labour Party... Which was clever way of making it clear thar he was not exactly supporting Dear Leader

As there was three line whip, Don obeyed it just like members of your Conservative Party often do in various councils up and down the country and also in parliament.

I remember on the crucial vote Don could hardly lift his finger to vote, unlike arm held high by Cllr. Sally Spicer and most of the rest.

Since then both Don and Keith in fact have left the NuLabour Group thus disassociating from actions of others.

Even your party's local leaders have publically praised Don and Keith but for some reason you still keep on playing anti Don tune....

Is it your coded expression of complete disgust with Smith and Moulton or you happen to be lose or odd Tory ball on your own?
Paramjit I could quite happily sit back & pray that Labour & these two go head to head in the next local elections but I can't see it.
Now unless you know a bit more about it are you telling me two life long Labour Party members are going to prevent a Labour council?
I believe Thomas lied about 5Acers & The bus service Lordshill receives in order to try & discredit the then Tory council.
If he & Morrell were against cuts he should have seen the Tory actions as good & I can't believe the two of them didn't have a clue what their party would do if elected.
So why stand for a party that you totally disagree with?
Why were they allowed to go around stating the Tories were going to cut services & jobs when Labour had plans to do the exactly that?
You say Thomas said nothing in that meeting why not?
I say what I believe to be true & if my party doesn't like it we agree to disagree.
They may believe that these two have done the right thing only time will tell if that's true
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Paramjit is no Tory unlike me yet even he can't believe how you come on here supporting a proven liar? A Labour council; that new he was lying but covered it up with lies? As Don Thomas also knew what was going on he must have been part of it as well or why didn't he stand up & admit his leader was lying? When will you all see the truth or is one of you just going to carry on calling me a hypocrite?[/p][/quote]As I was in the public gallery at the special Council meeting when your beloved Tories rightly had raised this matter, I can confirm that Cllr. Don Thomas did not speak on that motion and all Keith Morrell said was that he has been faithful member of Labour Party... Which was clever way of making it clear thar he was not exactly supporting Dear Leader As there was three line whip, Don obeyed it just like members of your Conservative Party often do in various councils up and down the country and also in parliament. I remember on the crucial vote Don could hardly lift his finger to vote, unlike arm held high by Cllr. Sally Spicer and most of the rest. Since then both Don and Keith in fact have left the NuLabour Group thus disassociating from actions of others. Even your party's local leaders have publically praised Don and Keith but for some reason you still keep on playing anti Don tune.... Is it your coded expression of complete disgust with Smith and Moulton or you happen to be lose or odd Tory ball on your own?[/p][/quote]Paramjit I could quite happily sit back & pray that Labour & these two go head to head in the next local elections but I can't see it. Now unless you know a bit more about it are you telling me two life long Labour Party members are going to prevent a Labour council? I believe Thomas lied about 5Acers & The bus service Lordshill receives in order to try & discredit the then Tory council. If he & Morrell were against cuts he should have seen the Tory actions as good & I can't believe the two of them didn't have a clue what their party would do if elected. So why stand for a party that you totally disagree with? Why were they allowed to go around stating the Tories were going to cut services & jobs when Labour had plans to do the exactly that? You say Thomas said nothing in that meeting why not? I say what I believe to be true & if my party doesn't like it we agree to disagree. They may believe that these two have done the right thing only time will tell if that's true loosehead
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9:49pm Sat 20 Oct 12

loosehead says...

geoff51 wrote:
Ah yes but if you said you were a Tory then you would be true to form and a Labour liar Not confusing!
Read a few of his posts & you'll get a good idea where his politics lie
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Ah yes but if you said you were a Tory then you would be true to form and a Labour liar Not confusing![/p][/quote]Read a few of his posts & you'll get a good idea where his politics lie loosehead
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10:03pm Sat 20 Oct 12

Inform Al says...

I'm not all that bothered about the truth when it's one politicians word against anothers. That being so any expensive investigation will be a waste of their time and OUR money as both will claim to be telling the truth. Bit like a minister belatedly claiming he did not call a plod a pleb.I do sometimes wonder how much the Tory party is paying the Echo.
I'm not all that bothered about the truth when it's one politicians word against anothers. That being so any expensive investigation will be a waste of their time and OUR money as both will claim to be telling the truth. Bit like a minister belatedly claiming he did not call a plod a pleb.I do sometimes wonder how much the Tory party is paying the Echo. Inform Al
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1:09am Sun 21 Oct 12

southy says...

Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way. southy
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1:29am Sun 21 Oct 12

IronLady2010 says...

southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-) IronLady2010
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10:34am Sun 21 Oct 12

Mr Cynical says...

southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
I think you forgot to blame thatcher?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]I think you forgot to blame thatcher? Mr Cynical
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1:23pm Sun 21 Oct 12

southy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)
It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)[/p][/quote]It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved. southy
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1:53pm Sun 21 Oct 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
Yes the basic point you have made is correct i.e. replacing one individual with another won't achieve anything at all. It is the policies that could either make or destroy.

Hope you won't mind me correcting your mistake. Williams is the Leader of Labour Group of the Council not Leader of the Labour Party in Southampton. As far as I am aware local party has no such office.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]Yes the basic point you have made is correct i.e. replacing one individual with another won't achieve anything at all. It is the policies that could either make or destroy. Hope you won't mind me correcting your mistake. Williams is the Leader of Labour Group of the Council not Leader of the Labour Party in Southampton. As far as I am aware local party has no such office. Paramjit Bahia
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1:58pm Sun 21 Oct 12

southy says...

Mr Cynical wrote:
southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
I think you forgot to blame thatcher?
I put the blame where the blame belongs and not onto some else, and yes thatcher is to blame for a lot of things that are wrong today it was her policy back in the 80's that started this mess.

Mind you can you trust party that is the oldest in the country, and was called the country Party before it rename it self the Conservative Party then the Tory Party and returning back and forth between those two names, they can even make up there minds what to call them selfs, or it a case they are trying to distract people for what they really are and what they really stand for.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Cynical[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]I think you forgot to blame thatcher?[/p][/quote]I put the blame where the blame belongs and not onto some else, and yes thatcher is to blame for a lot of things that are wrong today it was her policy back in the 80's that started this mess. Mind you can you trust party that is the oldest in the country, and was called the country Party before it rename it self the Conservative Party then the Tory Party and returning back and forth between those two names, they can even make up there minds what to call them selfs, or it a case they are trying to distract people for what they really are and what they really stand for. southy
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2:00pm Sun 21 Oct 12

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
Yes the basic point you have made is correct i.e. replacing one individual with another won't achieve anything at all. It is the policies that could either make or destroy.

Hope you won't mind me correcting your mistake. Williams is the Leader of Labour Group of the Council not Leader of the Labour Party in Southampton. As far as I am aware local party has no such office.
correction taking
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]Yes the basic point you have made is correct i.e. replacing one individual with another won't achieve anything at all. It is the policies that could either make or destroy. Hope you won't mind me correcting your mistake. Williams is the Leader of Labour Group of the Council not Leader of the Labour Party in Southampton. As far as I am aware local party has no such office.[/p][/quote]correction taking southy
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2:11pm Sun 21 Oct 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)
It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.
Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment.

I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)[/p][/quote]It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.[/p][/quote]Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment. I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not Paramjit Bahia
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3:27pm Sun 21 Oct 12

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)
It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.
Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment.

I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not
Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)[/p][/quote]It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.[/p][/quote]Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment. I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not[/p][/quote]Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future southy
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3:30pm Sun 21 Oct 12

geoff51 says...

southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)
It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.
Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment.

I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not
Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future
On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)[/p][/quote]It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.[/p][/quote]Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment. I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not[/p][/quote]Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future[/p][/quote]On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate? geoff51
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4:02pm Sun 21 Oct 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

geoff51 wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)
It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.
Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment.

I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not
Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future
On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate?
Geoff with greatest respect to you, if Socialist Party decides to select Southy as their candidate then because you are a Tory it is none of your business, just as if Tories decide to field you as their candidate it will be their decision and nothing to do with people like me on the left, bar the fact we will be supporting candidate of left against you.

But is there any chance of even Tories adopting you as their candidate?
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)[/p][/quote]It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.[/p][/quote]Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment. I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not[/p][/quote]Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future[/p][/quote]On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate?[/p][/quote]Geoff with greatest respect to you, if Socialist Party decides to select Southy as their candidate then because you are a Tory it is none of your business, just as if Tories decide to field you as their candidate it will be their decision and nothing to do with people like me on the left, bar the fact we will be supporting candidate of left against you. But is there any chance of even Tories adopting you as their candidate? Paramjit Bahia
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4:22pm Sun 21 Oct 12

geoff51 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)
It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.
Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment.

I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not
Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future
On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate?
Geoff with greatest respect to you, if Socialist Party decides to select Southy as their candidate then because you are a Tory it is none of your business, just as if Tories decide to field you as their candidate it will be their decision and nothing to do with people like me on the left, bar the fact we will be supporting candidate of left against you.

But is there any chance of even Tories adopting you as their candidate?
No but they would have at least have someone who can string an intelligent sentence together and not gibberish with no sense or reason if they did.
Whilst I appreciate that you were once in the forefront of Socialist politics in Southampton even you would baulk at voting for the TUSC and Southy in particular.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)[/p][/quote]It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.[/p][/quote]Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment. I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not[/p][/quote]Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future[/p][/quote]On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate?[/p][/quote]Geoff with greatest respect to you, if Socialist Party decides to select Southy as their candidate then because you are a Tory it is none of your business, just as if Tories decide to field you as their candidate it will be their decision and nothing to do with people like me on the left, bar the fact we will be supporting candidate of left against you. But is there any chance of even Tories adopting you as their candidate?[/p][/quote]No but they would have at least have someone who can string an intelligent sentence together and not gibberish with no sense or reason if they did. Whilst I appreciate that you were once in the forefront of Socialist politics in Southampton even you would baulk at voting for the TUSC and Southy in particular. geoff51
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4:46pm Sun 21 Oct 12

southy says...

geoff51 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)
It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.
Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment.

I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not
Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future
On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate?
Geoff with greatest respect to you, if Socialist Party decides to select Southy as their candidate then because you are a Tory it is none of your business, just as if Tories decide to field you as their candidate it will be their decision and nothing to do with people like me on the left, bar the fact we will be supporting candidate of left against you.

But is there any chance of even Tories adopting you as their candidate?
No but they would have at least have someone who can string an intelligent sentence together and not gibberish with no sense or reason if they did.
Whilst I appreciate that you were once in the forefront of Socialist politics in Southampton even you would baulk at voting for the TUSC and Southy in particular.
it do not need some one to be able to string a sentence together, what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas, and this is where the Torys & Labour and others fail in, they don't have any workable ideas, just the same old ones repeated over and over again that we know that do fall big time, and causes human misery and suffering.
Change is what the majority wants and change for the better and not whats been happening in the last 32 years a failed system.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)[/p][/quote]It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.[/p][/quote]Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment. I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not[/p][/quote]Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future[/p][/quote]On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate?[/p][/quote]Geoff with greatest respect to you, if Socialist Party decides to select Southy as their candidate then because you are a Tory it is none of your business, just as if Tories decide to field you as their candidate it will be their decision and nothing to do with people like me on the left, bar the fact we will be supporting candidate of left against you. But is there any chance of even Tories adopting you as their candidate?[/p][/quote]No but they would have at least have someone who can string an intelligent sentence together and not gibberish with no sense or reason if they did. Whilst I appreciate that you were once in the forefront of Socialist politics in Southampton even you would baulk at voting for the TUSC and Southy in particular.[/p][/quote]it do not need some one to be able to string a sentence together, what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas, and this is where the Torys & Labour and others fail in, they don't have any workable ideas, just the same old ones repeated over and over again that we know that do fall big time, and causes human misery and suffering. Change is what the majority wants and change for the better and not whats been happening in the last 32 years a failed system. southy
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4:55pm Sun 21 Oct 12

geoff51 says...

southy wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)
It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.
Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment.

I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not
Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future
On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate?
Geoff with greatest respect to you, if Socialist Party decides to select Southy as their candidate then because you are a Tory it is none of your business, just as if Tories decide to field you as their candidate it will be their decision and nothing to do with people like me on the left, bar the fact we will be supporting candidate of left against you.

But is there any chance of even Tories adopting you as their candidate?
No but they would have at least have someone who can string an intelligent sentence together and not gibberish with no sense or reason if they did.
Whilst I appreciate that you were once in the forefront of Socialist politics in Southampton even you would baulk at voting for the TUSC and Southy in particular.
it do not need some one to be able to string a sentence together, what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas, and this is where the Torys & Labour and others fail in, they don't have any workable ideas, just the same old ones repeated over and over again that we know that do fall big time, and causes human misery and suffering.
Change is what the majority wants and change for the better and not whats been happening in the last 32 years a failed system.
With that load of unintelligable gibberish from you I think I have proved my point.
By the way we are still waiting for your explanation as to where the funding for your no cuts policy as requested last week.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)[/p][/quote]It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.[/p][/quote]Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment. I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not[/p][/quote]Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future[/p][/quote]On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate?[/p][/quote]Geoff with greatest respect to you, if Socialist Party decides to select Southy as their candidate then because you are a Tory it is none of your business, just as if Tories decide to field you as their candidate it will be their decision and nothing to do with people like me on the left, bar the fact we will be supporting candidate of left against you. But is there any chance of even Tories adopting you as their candidate?[/p][/quote]No but they would have at least have someone who can string an intelligent sentence together and not gibberish with no sense or reason if they did. Whilst I appreciate that you were once in the forefront of Socialist politics in Southampton even you would baulk at voting for the TUSC and Southy in particular.[/p][/quote]it do not need some one to be able to string a sentence together, what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas, and this is where the Torys & Labour and others fail in, they don't have any workable ideas, just the same old ones repeated over and over again that we know that do fall big time, and causes human misery and suffering. Change is what the majority wants and change for the better and not whats been happening in the last 32 years a failed system.[/p][/quote]With that load of unintelligable gibberish from you I think I have proved my point. By the way we are still waiting for your explanation as to where the funding for your no cuts policy as requested last week. geoff51
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5:51pm Sun 21 Oct 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Geoff 51,
I am under the impression that Councillors Thomas and Morrell are likely to produce their budget for 2013-14 year.

I suggest people should wait till the budget meeting.

Considering Cllr. Morrell is experinced accountant I have the feeling he could produce some surprises.

Regarding Southy, everybody has strong and weak points. Peter may not be good at language but must have something good about him, which has been proven by the fact that during last election in Redbridge support for him was better than Lib-Dem, who are partners of Conservatives in parliament. Considering I have criticised his style of election campaign both privately and also on this site, I am convinced if his usual hard work is combined with different campaign style he can raise his share of vote.
Geoff 51, I am under the impression that Councillors Thomas and Morrell are likely to produce their budget for 2013-14 year. I suggest people should wait till the budget meeting. Considering Cllr. Morrell is experinced accountant I have the feeling he could produce some surprises. Regarding Southy, everybody has strong and weak points. Peter may not be good at language but must have something good about him, which has been proven by the fact that during last election in Redbridge support for him was better than Lib-Dem, who are partners of Conservatives in parliament. Considering I have criticised his style of election campaign both privately and also on this site, I am convinced if his usual hard work is combined with different campaign style he can raise his share of vote. Paramjit Bahia
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7:42pm Sun 21 Oct 12

geoff51 says...

If he doubled his vote he still would never be elected even in Redbridge.
As for the Libdems the only reason they got into bed with the Tories was the only chance they would ever have in government as they are almost as unelectable as UKIP or TUSC
If he doubled his vote he still would never be elected even in Redbridge. As for the Libdems the only reason they got into bed with the Tories was the only chance they would ever have in government as they are almost as unelectable as UKIP or TUSC geoff51
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9:19pm Sun 21 Oct 12

loosehead says...

Southy I believe you are convinced what you say is right but I'm sorry you're wrong on so many things.
With a Tory council you could see what they were doing.
you would know what they were aiming to achieve as they were honest & said it even if it would cost them votes.
Maggie made no secret she was out to smash the unions & the way she was going to do it.
I voted against her first time but once in I knew we had to let her finish the job.
Labour leader spelt it out but the SWP or if that's another name for TUSC booed him & tried to drown him out.
I have no time for Milliband but I'll give him credit for saying cuts had to be made.
Unlike a certain left wing poster on here I won't slag you down or call you names but Southy try to get your facts right before you post or you're leaving yourself open to attack
Southy I believe you are convinced what you say is right but I'm sorry you're wrong on so many things. With a Tory council you could see what they were doing. you would know what they were aiming to achieve as they were honest & said it even if it would cost them votes. Maggie made no secret she was out to smash the unions & the way she was going to do it. I voted against her first time but once in I knew we had to let her finish the job. Labour leader spelt it out but the SWP or if that's another name for TUSC booed him & tried to drown him out. I have no time for Milliband but I'll give him credit for saying cuts had to be made. Unlike a certain left wing poster on here I won't slag you down or call you names but Southy try to get your facts right before you post or you're leaving yourself open to attack loosehead
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11:57pm Sun 21 Oct 12

freefinker says...

geoff51 wrote:
southy wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)
It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.
Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment.

I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not
Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future
On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate?
Geoff with greatest respect to you, if Socialist Party decides to select Southy as their candidate then because you are a Tory it is none of your business, just as if Tories decide to field you as their candidate it will be their decision and nothing to do with people like me on the left, bar the fact we will be supporting candidate of left against you.

But is there any chance of even Tories adopting you as their candidate?
No but they would have at least have someone who can string an intelligent sentence together and not gibberish with no sense or reason if they did.
Whilst I appreciate that you were once in the forefront of Socialist politics in Southampton even you would baulk at voting for the TUSC and Southy in particular.
it do not need some one to be able to string a sentence together, what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas, and this is where the Torys & Labour and others fail in, they don't have any workable ideas, just the same old ones repeated over and over again that we know that do fall big time, and causes human misery and suffering.
Change is what the majority wants and change for the better and not whats been happening in the last 32 years a failed system.
With that load of unintelligable gibberish from you I think I have proved my point.
By the way we are still waiting for your explanation as to where the funding for your no cuts policy as requested last week.
.. ah, do you mean in this thread: -

http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/9971901.
100_jobs_could_go_in
_council_in_budget_c
haos/#commentsList

"what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas" he now says.

TUSC only have a slogan "No Cuts" instead of policies and southy failed miserably to come up with one single workable idea as to how they would put this into being in view of central government cuts to local authorities.

He totally failed to answer the question 4 times.

All slogan, no substance.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)[/p][/quote]It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.[/p][/quote]Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment. I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not[/p][/quote]Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future[/p][/quote]On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate?[/p][/quote]Geoff with greatest respect to you, if Socialist Party decides to select Southy as their candidate then because you are a Tory it is none of your business, just as if Tories decide to field you as their candidate it will be their decision and nothing to do with people like me on the left, bar the fact we will be supporting candidate of left against you. But is there any chance of even Tories adopting you as their candidate?[/p][/quote]No but they would have at least have someone who can string an intelligent sentence together and not gibberish with no sense or reason if they did. Whilst I appreciate that you were once in the forefront of Socialist politics in Southampton even you would baulk at voting for the TUSC and Southy in particular.[/p][/quote]it do not need some one to be able to string a sentence together, what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas, and this is where the Torys & Labour and others fail in, they don't have any workable ideas, just the same old ones repeated over and over again that we know that do fall big time, and causes human misery and suffering. Change is what the majority wants and change for the better and not whats been happening in the last 32 years a failed system.[/p][/quote]With that load of unintelligable gibberish from you I think I have proved my point. By the way we are still waiting for your explanation as to where the funding for your no cuts policy as requested last week.[/p][/quote].. ah, do you mean in this thread: - http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/9971901. 100_jobs_could_go_in _council_in_budget_c haos/#commentsList "what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas" he now says. TUSC only have a slogan "No Cuts" instead of policies and southy failed miserably to come up with one single workable idea as to how they would put this into being in view of central government cuts to local authorities. He totally failed to answer the question 4 times. All slogan, no substance. freefinker
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5:25am Mon 22 Oct 12

stay local says...

southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)
It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.
Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment.

I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not
Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future
Do you mean the TUSC trade union socialist coalition or the TUAG trade unionists against cuts or the socialist party, the socialist workers party, solidarity, respect party,.
However these are the current names for the parties that you represent. Do you not see how stupid your statements look?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)[/p][/quote]It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.[/p][/quote]Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment. I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not[/p][/quote]Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future[/p][/quote]Do you mean the TUSC trade union socialist coalition or the TUAG trade unionists against cuts or the socialist party, the socialist workers party, solidarity, respect party,. However these are the current names for the parties that you represent. Do you not see how stupid your statements look? stay local
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8:52am Mon 22 Oct 12

freefinker says...

stay local wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)
It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.
Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment.

I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not
Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future
Do you mean the TUSC trade union socialist coalition or the TUAG trade unionists against cuts or the socialist party, the socialist workers party, solidarity, respect party,.
However these are the current names for the parties that you represent. Do you not see how stupid your statements look?
.. actually, no - he doesn't.

Trotskyists don't do thinking, don't do listening, don't do learning.

All they are capable of is shouting slogans about utopian political systems that always fail to take account of reality.
[quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)[/p][/quote]It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.[/p][/quote]Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment. I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not[/p][/quote]Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future[/p][/quote]Do you mean the TUSC trade union socialist coalition or the TUAG trade unionists against cuts or the socialist party, the socialist workers party, solidarity, respect party,. However these are the current names for the parties that you represent. Do you not see how stupid your statements look?[/p][/quote].. actually, no - he doesn't. Trotskyists don't do thinking, don't do listening, don't do learning. All they are capable of is shouting slogans about utopian political systems that always fail to take account of reality. freefinker
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3:14pm Mon 22 Oct 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
southy wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)
It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.
Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment.

I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not
Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future
On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate?
Geoff with greatest respect to you, if Socialist Party decides to select Southy as their candidate then because you are a Tory it is none of your business, just as if Tories decide to field you as their candidate it will be their decision and nothing to do with people like me on the left, bar the fact we will be supporting candidate of left against you.

But is there any chance of even Tories adopting you as their candidate?
No but they would have at least have someone who can string an intelligent sentence together and not gibberish with no sense or reason if they did.
Whilst I appreciate that you were once in the forefront of Socialist politics in Southampton even you would baulk at voting for the TUSC and Southy in particular.
it do not need some one to be able to string a sentence together, what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas, and this is where the Torys & Labour and others fail in, they don't have any workable ideas, just the same old ones repeated over and over again that we know that do fall big time, and causes human misery and suffering.
Change is what the majority wants and change for the better and not whats been happening in the last 32 years a failed system.
With that load of unintelligable gibberish from you I think I have proved my point.
By the way we are still waiting for your explanation as to where the funding for your no cuts policy as requested last week.
.. ah, do you mean in this thread: -

http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/news/9971901.

100_jobs_could_go_in

_council_in_budget_c

haos/#commentsList

"what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas" he now says.

TUSC only have a slogan "No Cuts" instead of policies and southy failed miserably to come up with one single workable idea as to how they would put this into being in view of central government cuts to local authorities.

He totally failed to answer the question 4 times.

All slogan, no substance.
You just like the green party, even in Brighton the people have turned there backs on the green party after offering the same policy of cuts, as the Torys.
By-election see a Labour candidate win, after a Green party member resigned and put his seat up for election.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)[/p][/quote]It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.[/p][/quote]Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment. I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not[/p][/quote]Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future[/p][/quote]On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate?[/p][/quote]Geoff with greatest respect to you, if Socialist Party decides to select Southy as their candidate then because you are a Tory it is none of your business, just as if Tories decide to field you as their candidate it will be their decision and nothing to do with people like me on the left, bar the fact we will be supporting candidate of left against you. But is there any chance of even Tories adopting you as their candidate?[/p][/quote]No but they would have at least have someone who can string an intelligent sentence together and not gibberish with no sense or reason if they did. Whilst I appreciate that you were once in the forefront of Socialist politics in Southampton even you would baulk at voting for the TUSC and Southy in particular.[/p][/quote]it do not need some one to be able to string a sentence together, what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas, and this is where the Torys & Labour and others fail in, they don't have any workable ideas, just the same old ones repeated over and over again that we know that do fall big time, and causes human misery and suffering. Change is what the majority wants and change for the better and not whats been happening in the last 32 years a failed system.[/p][/quote]With that load of unintelligable gibberish from you I think I have proved my point. By the way we are still waiting for your explanation as to where the funding for your no cuts policy as requested last week.[/p][/quote].. ah, do you mean in this thread: - http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/9971901. 100_jobs_could_go_in _council_in_budget_c haos/#commentsList "what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas" he now says. TUSC only have a slogan "No Cuts" instead of policies and southy failed miserably to come up with one single workable idea as to how they would put this into being in view of central government cuts to local authorities. He totally failed to answer the question 4 times. All slogan, no substance.[/p][/quote]You just like the green party, even in Brighton the people have turned there backs on the green party after offering the same policy of cuts, as the Torys. By-election see a Labour candidate win, after a Green party member resigned and put his seat up for election. southy
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3:15pm Mon 22 Oct 12

southy says...

Mind you the Green Party failed in London on Saturday also, No one wanted to know what they had to say, and that all came down to the cuts made in Brighton.
Mind you the Green Party failed in London on Saturday also, No one wanted to know what they had to say, and that all came down to the cuts made in Brighton. southy
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4:09pm Mon 22 Oct 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
southy wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.
It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)
It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.
Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment.

I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not
Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future
On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate?
Geoff with greatest respect to you, if Socialist Party decides to select Southy as their candidate then because you are a Tory it is none of your business, just as if Tories decide to field you as their candidate it will be their decision and nothing to do with people like me on the left, bar the fact we will be supporting candidate of left against you.

But is there any chance of even Tories adopting you as their candidate?
No but they would have at least have someone who can string an intelligent sentence together and not gibberish with no sense or reason if they did.
Whilst I appreciate that you were once in the forefront of Socialist politics in Southampton even you would baulk at voting for the TUSC and Southy in particular.
it do not need some one to be able to string a sentence together, what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas, and this is where the Torys & Labour and others fail in, they don't have any workable ideas, just the same old ones repeated over and over again that we know that do fall big time, and causes human misery and suffering.
Change is what the majority wants and change for the better and not whats been happening in the last 32 years a failed system.
With that load of unintelligable gibberish from you I think I have proved my point.
By the way we are still waiting for your explanation as to where the funding for your no cuts policy as requested last week.
.. ah, do you mean in this thread: -

http://www.dailyecho


.co.uk/news/9971901.


100_jobs_could_go_in


_council_in_budget_c


haos/#commentsList

"what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas" he now says.

TUSC only have a slogan "No Cuts" instead of policies and southy failed miserably to come up with one single workable idea as to how they would put this into being in view of central government cuts to local authorities.

He totally failed to answer the question 4 times.

All slogan, no substance.
You just like the green party, even in Brighton the people have turned there backs on the green party after offering the same policy of cuts, as the Torys.
By-election see a Labour candidate win, after a Green party member resigned and put his seat up for election.
.. as I have told you time after time after time, I am NOT a member of the Green Party, have NEVER been a member and have no intention of EVER becoming a member.

However many times you insinuate in these columns that I am; it will not make it so.

You, however, ARE a member of the Trotskyist faction, the Socialist Party (England and Wales), a parasitical entryist organisation.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Williams should step down as leader of the Labour Party and off the Council, but who to say the next one will be any better, they are going to take orders from Labours HQ any way.[/p][/quote]It could be worse, if your clown outfit got involved. ;-)[/p][/quote]It is worse by the by the village idiot party the old Country Party getting involved.[/p][/quote]Southy please do not bite the bate laid for you in derogatory remarks. All you need is faith in your party and commitment to spend time with people who really matter in elections. In your case it will be voters of Redbridge, to whom you should be explaining your policies and helping them in their problems with various parts of establishment. I have no doubt with right approach you can eventually get there, and you will be smiling and those who tend to take pi55 now will not[/p][/quote]Just making a point how can you trust a party that needs to keep changing its name, just and try to hide the things they done in the pass and will do again in the future[/p][/quote]On that point how can you trust a party such as yours who has an illiterate fantasist as a party candidate?[/p][/quote]Geoff with greatest respect to you, if Socialist Party decides to select Southy as their candidate then because you are a Tory it is none of your business, just as if Tories decide to field you as their candidate it will be their decision and nothing to do with people like me on the left, bar the fact we will be supporting candidate of left against you. But is there any chance of even Tories adopting you as their candidate?[/p][/quote]No but they would have at least have someone who can string an intelligent sentence together and not gibberish with no sense or reason if they did. Whilst I appreciate that you were once in the forefront of Socialist politics in Southampton even you would baulk at voting for the TUSC and Southy in particular.[/p][/quote]it do not need some one to be able to string a sentence together, what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas, and this is where the Torys & Labour and others fail in, they don't have any workable ideas, just the same old ones repeated over and over again that we know that do fall big time, and causes human misery and suffering. Change is what the majority wants and change for the better and not whats been happening in the last 32 years a failed system.[/p][/quote]With that load of unintelligable gibberish from you I think I have proved my point. By the way we are still waiting for your explanation as to where the funding for your no cuts policy as requested last week.[/p][/quote].. ah, do you mean in this thread: - http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/9971901. 100_jobs_could_go_in _council_in_budget_c haos/#commentsList "what is needed is some one/s that have the workable ideas" he now says. TUSC only have a slogan "No Cuts" instead of policies and southy failed miserably to come up with one single workable idea as to how they would put this into being in view of central government cuts to local authorities. He totally failed to answer the question 4 times. All slogan, no substance.[/p][/quote]You just like the green party, even in Brighton the people have turned there backs on the green party after offering the same policy of cuts, as the Torys. By-election see a Labour candidate win, after a Green party member resigned and put his seat up for election.[/p][/quote].. as I have told you time after time after time, I am NOT a member of the Green Party, have NEVER been a member and have no intention of EVER becoming a member. However many times you insinuate in these columns that I am; it will not make it so. You, however, ARE a member of the Trotskyist faction, the Socialist Party (England and Wales), a parasitical entryist organisation. freefinker
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1:16pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Fieldbean says...

southy wrote:
Mind you the Green Party failed in London on Saturday also, No one wanted to know what they had to say, and that all came down to the cuts made in Brighton.
Oh Southy more misinformation from you. Looks like Brighton East was a Labour Hold. And look how TUSC was at the bottom of the slate. Only 55 wanted to know! You should join the Tories they just love your BS.

The full result was

Chaun Wilson, Labour, 1,596 votes
Joe Miller, Conservative, 531 votes
Carlie Goldsmith, Green, 456 votes
Sabiha Choudhury, UKIP, 148 votes
Dominic Sokalski, Liberal Democrat, 59 votes
Jon Redford, Trade Unionists and Socialists Against Cuts, 55 votes

The turnout was 26.21 per cent with 2,857 people voting. There were 1,105 postal votes and 12 spoilt ballot papers.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Mind you the Green Party failed in London on Saturday also, No one wanted to know what they had to say, and that all came down to the cuts made in Brighton.[/p][/quote]Oh Southy more misinformation from you. Looks like Brighton East was a Labour Hold. And look how TUSC was at the bottom of the slate. Only 55 wanted to know! You should join the Tories they just love your BS. The full result was Chaun Wilson, Labour, 1,596 votes Joe Miller, Conservative, 531 votes Carlie Goldsmith, Green, 456 votes Sabiha Choudhury, UKIP, 148 votes Dominic Sokalski, Liberal Democrat, 59 votes Jon Redford, Trade Unionists and Socialists Against Cuts, 55 votes The turnout was 26.21 per cent with 2,857 people voting. There were 1,105 postal votes and 12 spoilt ballot papers. Fieldbean
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8:33pm Sat 3 Nov 12

4-front says...

OH DEAR!

I hear Nero fiddling yet again around petty politics while a fine City burns around them.

Hey,ho!
OH DEAR! I hear Nero fiddling yet again around petty politics while a fine City burns around them. Hey,ho! 4-front
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