Fluoride to be added to Southampton's water 'in months'

Daily Echo: Fluoride to be added to water 'in months' Fluoride to be added to water 'in months'

DISAPPOINTED campaigners admitted last night they have reached the “end of the road” in their legal bid to stop controversial plans to add fluoride to Hampshire’s tap water.

A High Court judge rejected a final appeal against the decision not to allow a judicial review of claims health bosses failed to properly assess key arguments against the proposals before giving them their unanimous backing.

Now South Central Strategic Health Authority (SHA) finally has the all-clear to move ahead with the scheme, which will affect nearly 200,000 people living and working in parts of Southampton, Eastleigh, Totton, Netley and Rownhams.

The authority last night said the chemical could be added to the water supplies within “several” months.

It is more than two years since the SHA’s 12-strong board voted to approve the scheme, despite overwhelming opposition from residents during a public consultation.

The plans had to be put on hold until after an earlier court ruling in favour of the SHA in February.

It faces a race against time to ensure the scheme is up and running, with the Government planning to axe all strategic health authorities by next spring as part of its sweeping reforms of the NHS.

Powers over the fluoridation scheme will then fall to Southampton City and Hampshire County councils, although the Department for Health says it is not yet known what process they would have to go through to reverse the decision.

The legal challenge brought by Southampton mum-ofthree Gerri Milner suffered its final defeat in a short hearing at London’s Royal Courts of Justice yesterday.

She was appealing after the High Court had thrown out her bid for a judicial reviewinto the fluoride decision in February.

Ms Milner’s lawyers tried to argue that key points raised during the consultation by the county council and campaign group Hampshire Against Fluoridation (HAF) were not properly analysed.

They included claims that children’s dental health in Southampton – a major reason for the scheme being proposed in the first place – was not as bad as health bosses had suggested, and that there would be a significant environmental impact of adding fluoride to water supplies.

It was also argued that the benefits of fluoride had been wildly overstated and the costs dramatically underestimated, meaning the true cost of saving each decayed tooth could be 1,000 times higher than the SHA stated in its consultation literature.

Although the SHA board had to assess the “cogency” of responses to the consultation – assessing whether they are good points based on sound scientific evidence – they were not included in presentations given to members.

David Wolfe, representing Ms Milner, said: “These arguments did not even, as it seems, get to the board, let alone was there a model that allowed them to evaluate them.

“They cannot in any way be dismissed as trivial points – they go to the heart of the case.

They were not dealt with.”

The SHA argued the original documents from both the council and HAF were on a table for board members to read before the vote was made, and several had given evidence to insist they had seen them.

Judge Sir Henry Brooke is the fourth judge to reject the application for a judicial review.

He said he believed the authority had gone far enough in assessing submissions, because the sheer weight of responses made it impossible for it to conduct detailed evaluation of every single argument.

He said: “It was engaged in a colossal consultation process. It did a significantly prescriptive job in analysing responses and in obtaining scientific evidence on thesematters. Inmyjudgement it would not be appropriate to grant permission for a judicial review.”

Speaking afterwards, Ms Milner’s solicitor Sean Humber said he and his client were “disappointed”

with the ruling.

He said: “Our fundamental point was that to assess the cogency there were some really very important issues that we were raising. We still don’t believe that they were considered.

“The judge seems to be taking a more relaxed attitude than we consider appropriate in relation to the extent to which they need to assess these major issues. But we’ve probably reached the end of the road on legal arguments now.

There’s nothing more to do.”

A spokesman for the SHA said last night the authority was “pleased” the legal process was finished.

He said: “Throughout this time the SHA board has remained satisfied that water fluoridation at one part per million is a safe and effective way to tackle tooth decay in the Southampton area, and that the health benefits outweighed all other arguments against water fluoridation, including the level of support and opposition.”

He added that it would likely be “several months” before the fluoridation process could begin.

What happens now?

SOUTH Central Strategic Health Authority is now working on getting the infrastructure in place to allow fluoride to be added to Hampshire water supplies.

The authority is in talks with Southern Water to decide what machinery needs to be built and the details of how the chemical will be put into tap water.

But it last night admitted it will be “several months”

before the scheme is up and running.

Although the SHA approved fluoridation in February 2009, it was put on hold just four months later because of the legal challenge. Before it was postponed, the authority had said it hoped to have the process completed by the end of 2010.

That means it is now racing to beat a new deadline of next spring, when the Government has said it wants to axe all strategic health authorities.

A spokesman said a reassessment of the capital cost of the scheme, previously estimated at almost £500,000, is also now under way.

At the time of going to press, the SHA had not answered questions on how the programme could be affected if that evaluation reveals a large rise in costs, or whether the Department for Health is still providing designated funding for the capital expenditure.

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5:13pm Fri 17 Jun 11

jwillie6 says...

Fluoride is not a nutrient. It cures nothing. It heals nothing. It is a toxic waste product. Many large research studies show fluoridation has no value for teeth.

It causes many health problems, lowered IQ, thyroid damage, brittle bones, arthritis, and much more (See fluoridealert.org). The most devastating effect of fluoridation is the vast increase in bone cancer in boys by the time they reach their 20's.

In the US, a Harvard University study by Dr. Elise Bassin, DDS, was published in the prestigious cancer journal, "Cancer Causes and Control" (Bassin et al., 2006), and shows a link between water fluoridation and a FIVEFOLD INCREASE in osteosarcoma, a very deadly bone cancer, in young boys.
http://www.foxnews.c
om/story/0,2933,1909
77,00.html

This confirms another earlier study in 1992 by the New Jersey Department of Health study showing osteosarcoma rates higher among young males in fluoridated vs. unfluoridated regions of New Jersey.

How many deaths should we tolerate for children just to use our drinking water to dispose of an industrial toxic waste fluoride?
Fluoride is not a nutrient. It cures nothing. It heals nothing. It is a toxic waste product. Many large research studies show fluoridation has no value for teeth. It causes many health problems, lowered IQ, thyroid damage, brittle bones, arthritis, and much more (See fluoridealert.org). The most devastating effect of fluoridation is the vast increase in bone cancer in boys by the time they reach their 20's. In the US, a Harvard University study by Dr. Elise Bassin, DDS, was published in the prestigious cancer journal, "Cancer Causes and Control" (Bassin et al., 2006), and shows a link between water fluoridation and a FIVEFOLD INCREASE in osteosarcoma, a very deadly bone cancer, in young boys. http://www.foxnews.c om/story/0,2933,1909 77,00.html This confirms another earlier study in 1992 by the New Jersey Department of Health study showing osteosarcoma rates higher among young males in fluoridated vs. unfluoridated regions of New Jersey. How many deaths should we tolerate for children just to use our drinking water to dispose of an industrial toxic waste fluoride? jwillie6

5:27pm Fri 17 Jun 11

Poppy22 says...

Fluoride can badly damage teeth - including children's! See photos on the web when you do a simple search on the subject.
This is one thing I will be protesting strongly about until the time it's introduced (which hopefully it won't) and let's hope that, if the SHA board members vote it in, they can't find jobs once the SHAs are disbanded as they should be listening to what their "customers" - ie the majority of local people - have already said, not having their own experiment at the expense of the future health of local people.
Not only are there all the health risks - as mentioned in the post above - but imagine the increase in the number of plastic bottles as a result for the demand for bottled water going up hugely. I won't be paying a proportion of my water bill if I can't drink unfluoridated water.
Great time to set up a business selling bottled water or reverse osmosis water filters though!
If this goes ahead, none of the existing local councillors and MP will get my vote in the future.
Just glad I don't have children as no way would I want them drinking water with fluoride in it. These will be the big legal "class actions" of the future, when it's proven categorically that fluoride in drinking water does more harm to children's (and adults') health than any minor good it will do.
And as I keep on saying, how many children drink tap water anyway these days?
If children have bad teeth it's almost always down to poor dental hygiene, excess sugar, poor diet, or parents not taking children to the dentist for their FREE dental treatment - all these can be rectified by parents and the "nanny" State - we don't need fluoride in water; we need a change in behaviour on the part of parents, food producers and the Government.
Fluoride can badly damage teeth - including children's! See photos on the web when you do a simple search on the subject. This is one thing I will be protesting strongly about until the time it's introduced (which hopefully it won't) and let's hope that, if the SHA board members vote it in, they can't find jobs once the SHAs are disbanded as they should be listening to what their "customers" - ie the majority of local people - have already said, not having their own experiment at the expense of the future health of local people. Not only are there all the health risks - as mentioned in the post above - but imagine the increase in the number of plastic bottles as a result for the demand for bottled water going up hugely. I won't be paying a proportion of my water bill if I can't drink unfluoridated water. Great time to set up a business selling bottled water or reverse osmosis water filters though! If this goes ahead, none of the existing local councillors and MP will get my vote in the future. Just glad I don't have children as no way would I want them drinking water with fluoride in it. These will be the big legal "class actions" of the future, when it's proven categorically that fluoride in drinking water does more harm to children's (and adults') health than any minor good it will do. And as I keep on saying, how many children drink tap water anyway these days? If children have bad teeth it's almost always down to poor dental hygiene, excess sugar, poor diet, or parents not taking children to the dentist for their FREE dental treatment - all these can be rectified by parents and the "nanny" State - we don't need fluoride in water; we need a change in behaviour on the part of parents, food producers and the Government. Poppy22

5:35pm Fri 17 Jun 11

a and e says...

chemtrails in the sky , flouride and lithium in the water ,gm food and financial collapse,welcome to the new world order ,we are no longer free.
chemtrails in the sky , flouride and lithium in the water ,gm food and financial collapse,welcome to the new world order ,we are no longer free. a and e

5:59pm Fri 17 Jun 11

Tifftastic says...

Ignoring the views on whether this is a positive or a negative chemical, the sheer fact that we do not have a choice in the matter seems unfair to me. Why should it be up to anyone but me what I choose to consume?!
Ignoring the views on whether this is a positive or a negative chemical, the sheer fact that we do not have a choice in the matter seems unfair to me. Why should it be up to anyone but me what I choose to consume?! Tifftastic

6:04pm Fri 17 Jun 11

AndyAndrews says...

We've heard all the arguments so often over the months, and now it's time to shut up about the merits for and against fluoride. One point though: weren't the Coalition MPs against this proposal when Labour were in charge? Another broken promise/U-turn by the Tories and their LibDem lackies?
We've heard all the arguments so often over the months, and now it's time to shut up about the merits for and against fluoride. One point though: weren't the Coalition MPs against this proposal when Labour were in charge? Another broken promise/U-turn by the Tories and their LibDem lackies? AndyAndrews

6:23pm Fri 17 Jun 11

ju_ju68 says...

As a renal transplant patient, struggling to keep hold of a poorly functioning kidney, I will no longer be able to risk drinking my tap water, oh joy, now I will either have to pay out for bottled water, or install an expensive water filter system.
As a renal transplant patient, struggling to keep hold of a poorly functioning kidney, I will no longer be able to risk drinking my tap water, oh joy, now I will either have to pay out for bottled water, or install an expensive water filter system. ju_ju68

6:54pm Fri 17 Jun 11

peter sowerby says...

This cannot be the end of the matter. The water board must now be mass blockaded and equipment used to contaminate the water supply must be prevented from being installed. Also the question of cross contamination must be addressed if the poison leeks into other water pipes. I the SHA are starting to act like Nazis we should treat them as such.
This cannot be the end of the matter. The water board must now be mass blockaded and equipment used to contaminate the water supply must be prevented from being installed. Also the question of cross contamination must be addressed if the poison leeks into other water pipes. I the SHA are starting to act like Nazis we should treat them as such. peter sowerby

6:58pm Fri 17 Jun 11

IronLady2010 says...

So our freedom of choice is to be taken away and yet again! We all have to suffer for the chavs of society who can't look after something so simple as teeth!

Even Tesco Value / Asda Smart Price offer toothpaste and brushes for under 50p!

When these people stop drinking coke and eating Mc Donalds maybe us decent people can have a choice in matters such as this, until that day we're in for nothing but trouble!
So our freedom of choice is to be taken away and yet again! We all have to suffer for the chavs of society who can't look after something so simple as teeth! Even Tesco Value / Asda Smart Price offer toothpaste and brushes for under 50p! When these people stop drinking coke and eating Mc Donalds maybe us decent people can have a choice in matters such as this, until that day we're in for nothing but trouble! IronLady2010

7:02pm Fri 17 Jun 11

captain_chaos says...

I will NOT be paying my water bill if this happens and we should all stick together on this. I know the water companies hands are tied on this but we must start at the source. I already filter my water (because it's crap!) but will fluoride be removed? I'm not too sure. I DON'T WANT IT. (Just an aside to this I had a relative that was poisoned and died (never proved, covered up!) in the 'accidental' spillage that happened in Cornwall many years ago and if I remember rightly that was fluoride!)
I will NOT be paying my water bill if this happens and we should all stick together on this. I know the water companies hands are tied on this but we must start at the source. I already filter my water (because it's crap!) but will fluoride be removed? I'm not too sure. I DON'T WANT IT. (Just an aside to this I had a relative that was poisoned and died (never proved, covered up!) in the 'accidental' spillage that happened in Cornwall many years ago and if I remember rightly that was fluoride!) captain_chaos

7:03pm Fri 17 Jun 11

captain_chaos says...

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7:47pm Fri 17 Jun 11

Linesman says...

A lot has been said about freedom of choice.

I had no say in the matter when it came to giving legal aid to Gerri Milner to conduct this expensive challenge to the proposed fluoridation of the water.

I bet that there would not have been so many people against it if they had been asked to put their hands in their pockets to pay the costs. Not so keen to 'jump on the bandwaggon' if they had been asked to 'pay their fare'.

The decision has been made.

Bring it on.
A lot has been said about freedom of choice. I had no say in the matter when it came to giving legal aid to Gerri Milner to conduct this expensive challenge to the proposed fluoridation of the water. I bet that there would not have been so many people against it if they had been asked to put their hands in their pockets to pay the costs. Not so keen to 'jump on the bandwaggon' if they had been asked to 'pay their fare'. The decision has been made. Bring it on. Linesman

7:49pm Fri 17 Jun 11

jazzi says...

You have imposed on my human rights, thus The EU courts will deal with you SCC.
You have imposed on my human rights, thus The EU courts will deal with you SCC. jazzi

7:54pm Fri 17 Jun 11

hello121 says...

Absolutely despicable decision.

Pollute and poison my water at your financial ruin Southern Water.

People have stated NO. But some poxy bunch of self-appointed goons have decided they will tamper and mass medicate me.

Trust me, Southern Water will never receive a penny from me again.

SHOCKING, DISGUSTING and OUTRAGEOUS.

Pity the SHA didn't spend their money introducing school dental checks, more NHS dentists and educating kids and their idiot parents to show them how to clean their teeth. Give away free toothpaste and tooth brushes DO NOT POISON MY WATER.
Absolutely despicable decision. Pollute and poison my water at your financial ruin Southern Water. People have stated NO. But some poxy bunch of self-appointed goons have decided they will tamper and mass medicate me. Trust me, Southern Water will never receive a penny from me again. SHOCKING, DISGUSTING and OUTRAGEOUS. Pity the SHA didn't spend their money introducing school dental checks, more NHS dentists and educating kids and their idiot parents to show them how to clean their teeth. Give away free toothpaste and tooth brushes DO NOT POISON MY WATER. hello121

8:05pm Fri 17 Jun 11

Totton Ric says...

Because a few cant look after there teeth 300000+ people now have to have this poison, surly the answer must be give those in need fluoride tablets. Question for Wessex Water/Southern Water, can you please let us know when you will pipe in none fluoride water for those wishing to opt out of the fluoridisation !
Because a few cant look after there teeth 300000+ people now have to have this poison, surly the answer must be give those in need fluoride tablets. Question for Wessex Water/Southern Water, can you please let us know when you will pipe in none fluoride water for those wishing to opt out of the fluoridisation ! Totton Ric

8:08pm Fri 17 Jun 11

Totton Ric says...

captain_chaos wrote:
I will NOT be paying my water bill if this happens and we should all stick together on this. I know the water companies hands are tied on this but we must start at the source. I already filter my water (because it's crap!) but will fluoride be removed? I'm not too sure. I DON'T WANT IT. (Just an aside to this I had a relative that was poisoned and died (never proved, covered up!) in the 'accidental' spillage that happened in Cornwall many years ago and if I remember rightly that was fluoride!)
I will phone them to see what they say as I also agree with you,by the time 1000+ paying customers do the same they will think !. Time for a Facebook campain !!!!
[quote][p][bold]captain_chaos[/bold] wrote: I will NOT be paying my water bill if this happens and we should all stick together on this. I know the water companies hands are tied on this but we must start at the source. I already filter my water (because it's crap!) but will fluoride be removed? I'm not too sure. I DON'T WANT IT. (Just an aside to this I had a relative that was poisoned and died (never proved, covered up!) in the 'accidental' spillage that happened in Cornwall many years ago and if I remember rightly that was fluoride!)[/p][/quote]I will phone them to see what they say as I also agree with you,by the time 1000+ paying customers do the same they will think !. Time for a Facebook campain !!!! Totton Ric

8:16pm Fri 17 Jun 11

hello121 says...

I already filter my water (because it's crap!) but will fluoride be removed? I'm not too sure.


I don't know if you can add weblinks or not, but How to Remove Fluoride from drinking water says:

NO, popular water filters like Brita, Pur DO NOT remove fluoride.

They suggest:
* Reverse Osmosis Filtration
* Activated Alumina Defluoridation Filter
* Distillation Filtration

Wonder if the SHA and Water Companies would like the bills to have these fitted for these for people who choose NOT to be medicated by the state?
[quote]I already filter my water (because it's crap!) but will fluoride be removed? I'm not too sure. [/quote] I don't know if you can add weblinks or not, but How to Remove Fluoride from drinking water says: NO, popular water filters like Brita, Pur DO NOT remove fluoride. They suggest: * Reverse Osmosis Filtration * Activated Alumina Defluoridation Filter * Distillation Filtration Wonder if the SHA and Water Companies would like the bills to have these fitted for these for people who choose NOT to be medicated by the state? hello121

8:23pm Fri 17 Jun 11

jazzi says...

Fluoridation is UNETHICAL because:
1) It violates the individual's right to informed consent to medication.
2) The municipality cannot control the dose of the patient.
3) The municipality cannot track each individual's response.
4) It ignores the fact that some people are more vulnerable to fluoride's toxic effects than others.
5) It violates the Nuremberg code for human experimentation.
Fluoridation is UNETHICAL because: 1) It violates the individual's right to informed consent to medication. 2) The municipality cannot control the dose of the patient. 3) The municipality cannot track each individual's response. 4) It ignores the fact that some people are more vulnerable to fluoride's toxic effects than others. 5) It violates the Nuremberg code for human experimentation. jazzi

9:27pm Fri 17 Jun 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

I am very disappointed by this disgraceful result.

The people were consulted. We rejected it.

How dare they condemn many children who diligently clean their teeth with fluoride toothpaste to disfigurement of dental fluorosis, and the rest of us to bone fracture; bone cancer, joint pain, skin rash, reduced thyroid activity, and IQ deficits.

I think people should investigate water filters and the possibility of deducting their cost from their water bills.

We should all phone our water suppliers and say we will demand they pay the cost of removing this compulsory medication of our water supply using filtration systems in our homes, for those of us who refuse to be medicated.

Instead the local authorities should be sorting out the parenting of the feckless minority who allow their childrens baby teeth to rot.

Why is the health of the responsible deemed less important than the health of the irresponsible?

So much for the Big Society - they asked the people, and the people said they didnt want it.

Surprise surprise, they ram it down our throats anyway.
I am very disappointed by this disgraceful result. The people were consulted. We rejected it. How dare they condemn many children who diligently clean their teeth with fluoride toothpaste to disfigurement of dental fluorosis, and the rest of us to bone fracture; bone cancer, joint pain, skin rash, reduced thyroid activity, and IQ deficits. I think people should investigate water filters and the possibility of deducting their cost from their water bills. We should all phone our water suppliers and say we will demand they pay the cost of removing this compulsory medication of our water supply using filtration systems in our homes, for those of us who refuse to be medicated. Instead the local authorities should be sorting out the parenting of the feckless minority who allow their childrens baby teeth to rot. Why is the health of the responsible deemed less important than the health of the irresponsible? So much for the Big Society - they asked the people, and the people said they didnt want it. Surprise surprise, they ram it down our throats anyway. Sotonians_lets_pull_together

9:32pm Fri 17 Jun 11

RadicalEmu says...

Fluorosis... Just grin and bear it.
Fluorosis... Just grin and bear it. RadicalEmu

9:32pm Fri 17 Jun 11

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

Time for the council, who will have authority over this when the SHA is scrapped, to issue a statement saying that the fluouridation will be banned as soon they have the power to do so.

When that has been made clear, the water board will not invest the £1/2m in fluoridation equipment.

Its not as if the local water company WANTS to add the fluoride, they know how unpopular it is with their local customers.

We should all demand the Conservative Council keep to their party's commitment to listen to the people, and put the Big Society into action - No to Fluoride!
Time for the council, who will have authority over this when the SHA is scrapped, to issue a statement saying that the fluouridation will be banned as soon they have the power to do so. When that has been made clear, the water board will not invest the £1/2m in fluoridation equipment. Its not as if the local water company WANTS to add the fluoride, they know how unpopular it is with their local customers. We should all demand the Conservative Council keep to their party's commitment to listen to the people, and put the Big Society into action - No to Fluoride! Sotonians_lets_pull_together

9:44pm Fri 17 Jun 11

Me, Here, Now says...

Go to the SCSHA website www.southcentral.nhs
.uk. On the left under 'Latest News' is a statement about the SCSHA progressing the flouridation scheme, and right beside it a promo for the "NHS Listening Exercise". Irony at its very best.
Go to the SCSHA website www.southcentral.nhs .uk. On the left under 'Latest News' is a statement about the SCSHA progressing the flouridation scheme, and right beside it a promo for the "NHS Listening Exercise". Irony at its very best. Me, Here, Now

10:26pm Fri 17 Jun 11

redandWhite79 says...

I also won't be paying my water bill!
God knows what the cost of bying bottled water will be every month, but i don't think ill get much change outta the £28 i pay them(if any).
I also won't be paying my water bill! God knows what the cost of bying bottled water will be every month, but i don't think ill get much change outta the £28 i pay them(if any). redandWhite79

10:38pm Fri 17 Jun 11

hello121 says...

HEALTH EDUCATION NOT MASS MEDICATION.

Email the water company, email the health authority. See how they feel about picking up the tab for water filters to be fitted.
HEALTH EDUCATION NOT MASS MEDICATION. Email the water company, email the health authority. See how they feel about picking up the tab for water filters to be fitted. hello121

11:55pm Fri 17 Jun 11

IronLady2010 says...

The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use!
I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture.

Deal with it!
The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it! IronLady2010

11:55pm Fri 17 Jun 11

peter sowerby says...

It is no good Southern Water hiding its head in the sand, when their code of practice for domestice customers says their mission statement is to (protect our interests and strengthen our rights as customers) It also states if you believe your water has become unfit to drink to contact them on 08452780845the line is manned 24hrs.Is anyone out there interested is a mass blockade of southern water treatment and fluoride contamination plant to stop this attempted mass poisoning of our water supply.
It is no good Southern Water hiding its head in the sand, when their code of practice for domestice customers says their mission statement is to (protect our interests and strengthen our rights as customers) It also states if you believe your water has become unfit to drink to contact them on 08452780845the line is manned 24hrs.Is anyone out there interested is a mass blockade of southern water treatment and fluoride contamination plant to stop this attempted mass poisoning of our water supply. peter sowerby

1:00am Sat 18 Jun 11

KarenR_UK says...

At my age i should be used to the authorities riding roughshod over the public - but I still really can't believe they are going ahead - in a period when we have rubbish piling up in the streets, £500,000(?) is going to be wasted on this. Only people living in the affected areas should have a say in this & we have said no! (well I would have done, if when telephoned by the consultation, I had been in the 'correct' demographic group who's opinion mattered!)
& if our elected groups have no say in so fundamental an issue, what is the point of voting for any of them :(

BTW Facebook does have a page

http://www.facebook.
com/group.php?gid=31
130892009
At my age i should be used to the authorities riding roughshod over the public - but I still really can't believe they are going ahead - in a period when we have rubbish piling up in the streets, £500,000(?) is going to be wasted on this. Only people living in the affected areas should have a say in this & we have said no! (well I would have done, if when telephoned by the consultation, I had been in the 'correct' demographic group who's opinion mattered!) & if our elected groups have no say in so fundamental an issue, what is the point of voting for any of them :( BTW Facebook does have a page http://www.facebook. com/group.php?gid=31 130892009 KarenR_UK

7:21am Sat 18 Jun 11

jwillie6 says...

Fluoridation not only causes cancer, brittle bones, etc., (see www.fluoridealert.or
g) but is an absolute waste of tax money. People drink only 1/2% (one-half percent) of the water they use. I am a Civil Engineer, so I am very familiar with community water systems.

For example, for every $1000 of fluoride chemical added to water, $995 would be directly wasted down the drain in toilets, showers, dishwashers, etc., $5 would be consumed in water by the people, and less than $0.50 (fifty cents) would be consumed by children, the target group. If you doubt any of this, check with your water department.

That would be comparable to taking 1 gallon of milk, using six-and-one-half drops of it, and pouring the rest of the gallon in the sink.

Can you think of a more wasteful government program? Giving away fluoride tablets free to anyone who wants them would be far cheaper and certainly more ethical.
Fluoridation not only causes cancer, brittle bones, etc., (see www.fluoridealert.or g) but is an absolute waste of tax money. People drink only 1/2% (one-half percent) of the water they use. I am a Civil Engineer, so I am very familiar with community water systems. For example, for every $1000 of fluoride chemical added to water, $995 would be directly wasted down the drain in toilets, showers, dishwashers, etc., $5 would be consumed in water by the people, and less than $0.50 (fifty cents) would be consumed by children, the target group. If you doubt any of this, check with your water department. That would be comparable to taking 1 gallon of milk, using six-and-one-half drops of it, and pouring the rest of the gallon in the sink. Can you think of a more wasteful government program? Giving away fluoride tablets free to anyone who wants them would be far cheaper and certainly more ethical. jwillie6

7:40am Sat 18 Jun 11

helsbells says...

I am disgusted that we are going to be forced to drink this poison. I lost a kidney to cancer and my remaining kidney is failing. I have 3 grown up children aged between 16 and 21 and they do not have bad teeth, because they been taught how to look after their teeth from an early age. Also on tubes of toothpaste it states IN CASE OF INTAKE OF FLUORIDE FROM OTHER SOURCES CONSULT A DENTIST OR DOCTOR! I will be knocking of the amount i will have to spend on either bottled water or a reverse osmosis filter of my water bill
I am disgusted that we are going to be forced to drink this poison. I lost a kidney to cancer and my remaining kidney is failing. I have 3 grown up children aged between 16 and 21 and they do not have bad teeth, because they been taught how to look after their teeth from an early age. Also on tubes of toothpaste it states IN CASE OF INTAKE OF FLUORIDE FROM OTHER SOURCES CONSULT A DENTIST OR DOCTOR! I will be knocking of the amount i will have to spend on either bottled water or a reverse osmosis filter of my water bill helsbells

8:18am Sat 18 Jun 11

Totton Ric says...

Surly this is against individual’s human rights & there must be something courts can do. If down the years people get Cancers due to this & is proved there was a link with Fluoride who will people sue, Local Councils, Water Authorities or the Government ?
Has anyone set up a facebook Campaign as I cant find any as I cant find a link ?
Surly this is against individual’s human rights & there must be something courts can do. If down the years people get Cancers due to this & is proved there was a link with Fluoride who will people sue, Local Councils, Water Authorities or the Government ? Has anyone set up a facebook Campaign as I cant find any as I cant find a link ? Totton Ric

8:34am Sat 18 Jun 11

freemantlegirl2 says...

some excellent suggestions here, I hope SCC will also get some b*lls and stand up to the SHA and say it will ban it, someone said that the water authority won't invest if they do that and they are quite right. Another brilliant comment about 'listening' too! It is quite clear there are are huge number of people against this. I sat on the fence for a long time but I really cannot see how the SHA can ignore a huge swell of public opinion like this. As for Linesman, how do you 'know' she got legal aid, the rules are VERY tight these days, and you have to pay it back so it's never 'free'.... if you have assets and are on legal aid you have a charge put on them. She could have raised money for the action, or the solicitors/lawyers could have done it 'pro bono'. Good for her I say, people power.

As for the guy from the US this is England, we're bright enough to do our own research ta, you don't have to keep posting the same stuff over and over.
some excellent suggestions here, I hope SCC will also get some b*lls and stand up to the SHA and say it will ban it, someone said that the water authority won't invest if they do that and they are quite right. Another brilliant comment about 'listening' too! It is quite clear there are are huge number of people against this. I sat on the fence for a long time but I really cannot see how the SHA can ignore a huge swell of public opinion like this. As for Linesman, how do you 'know' she got legal aid, the rules are VERY tight these days, and you have to pay it back so it's never 'free'.... if you have assets and are on legal aid you have a charge put on them. She could have raised money for the action, or the solicitors/lawyers could have done it 'pro bono'. Good for her I say, people power. As for the guy from the US this is England, we're bright enough to do our own research ta, you don't have to keep posting the same stuff over and over. freemantlegirl2

8:55am Sat 18 Jun 11

The S@1nt says...

This country goes to war to bring so called democracy to other nations and yet it seems we don't want to practice it here! How can 12 unelected people over rule the oppinion of thousands?? It seems to me the companies who are producing this waste are giving backhanders to our pennyless government to take it off their hands!
This country goes to war to bring so called democracy to other nations and yet it seems we don't want to practice it here! How can 12 unelected people over rule the oppinion of thousands?? It seems to me the companies who are producing this waste are giving backhanders to our pennyless government to take it off their hands! The S@1nt

9:37am Sat 18 Jun 11

freemantlegirl2 says...

The S@1nt wrote:
This country goes to war to bring so called democracy to other nations and yet it seems we don't want to practice it here! How can 12 unelected people over rule the oppinion of thousands?? It seems to me the companies who are producing this waste are giving backhanders to our pennyless government to take it off their hands!
indeed, and wouldn't the money be better spent on proper denistry/and dental advice! tooth decay has got worse due to more than one factor...the food industry, very poor access to NHS dentists (even then most of them aren't brilliant), cutting back of dentists visiting schools, poor health education as a nation. Medicating the whole thing with fluoride at huge expense is just flawed.
[quote][p][bold]The S@1nt[/bold] wrote: This country goes to war to bring so called democracy to other nations and yet it seems we don't want to practice it here! How can 12 unelected people over rule the oppinion of thousands?? It seems to me the companies who are producing this waste are giving backhanders to our pennyless government to take it off their hands![/p][/quote]indeed, and wouldn't the money be better spent on proper denistry/and dental advice! tooth decay has got worse due to more than one factor...the food industry, very poor access to NHS dentists (even then most of them aren't brilliant), cutting back of dentists visiting schools, poor health education as a nation. Medicating the whole thing with fluoride at huge expense is just flawed. freemantlegirl2

9:55am Sat 18 Jun 11

Linesman says...

The S@1nt wrote:
This country goes to war to bring so called democracy to other nations and yet it seems we don't want to practice it here! How can 12 unelected people over rule the oppinion of thousands?? It seems to me the companies who are producing this waste are giving backhanders to our pennyless government to take it off their hands!
By the same way that it can give legal aid to Gerri Milner, paid for by my taxes and the taxes of other pro-fluoride people.
[quote][p][bold]The S@1nt[/bold] wrote: This country goes to war to bring so called democracy to other nations and yet it seems we don't want to practice it here! How can 12 unelected people over rule the oppinion of thousands?? It seems to me the companies who are producing this waste are giving backhanders to our pennyless government to take it off their hands![/p][/quote]By the same way that it can give legal aid to Gerri Milner, paid for by my taxes and the taxes of other pro-fluoride people. Linesman

10:31am Sat 18 Jun 11

userds5050 says...

Sounds like Linesman's already been on the fluoride. Research has shown adding it to the water supply only reduces tooth decay in young people by 0.6%
We need to continue to fight this to the bitter end.
Check out @FluorideAction on twitter.
Sounds like Linesman's already been on the fluoride. Research has shown adding it to the water supply only reduces tooth decay in young people by 0.6% We need to continue to fight this to the bitter end. Check out @FluorideAction on twitter. userds5050

10:41am Sat 18 Jun 11

userds5050 says...

If the people in favour of fluoride in water want to so bad they should buy this. Let the rest of us have the choice.
http://www.flickr.co
m/photos/inhumandece
ncy/2694075365/
If the people in favour of fluoride in water want to so bad they should buy this. Let the rest of us have the choice. http://www.flickr.co m/photos/inhumandece ncy/2694075365/ userds5050

11:01am Sat 18 Jun 11

SOULJACKER says...

a and e wrote:
chemtrails in the sky , flouride and lithium in the water ,gm food and financial collapse,welcome to the new world order ,we are no longer free.
NWO - you ain't kidding.....Dick Chaney is behind this I'll bet.
[quote][p][bold]a and e[/bold] wrote: chemtrails in the sky , flouride and lithium in the water ,gm food and financial collapse,welcome to the new world order ,we are no longer free.[/p][/quote]NWO - you ain't kidding.....Dick Chaney is behind this I'll bet. SOULJACKER

11:02am Sat 18 Jun 11

Sotonresidentfrombirth85 says...

who cares! Its water with something in it....everyone drinks coca-cola!! Get a grip and deal with the more pressing things in life!!
who cares! Its water with something in it....everyone drinks coca-cola!! Get a grip and deal with the more pressing things in life!! Sotonresidentfrombirth85

12:25pm Sat 18 Jun 11

rightway says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it!
No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it![/p][/quote]No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay. rightway

12:33pm Sat 18 Jun 11

userds5050 says...

Sotonresidentfrombir
th85
wrote:
who cares! Its water with something in it....everyone drinks coca-cola!! Get a grip and deal with the more pressing things in life!!
Er, people with children, the elderly, people with ongoing illnesses who will be affected most by this. Not everyone drinks Coca cola as well BTW and if they do it's their choice. Studies suggest fluoride in the water reduces the IQ of children so maybe your mother was bottle feeding you it as a baby.
[quote][p][bold]Sotonresidentfrombir th85[/bold] wrote: who cares! Its water with something in it....everyone drinks coca-cola!! Get a grip and deal with the more pressing things in life!![/p][/quote]Er, people with children, the elderly, people with ongoing illnesses who will be affected most by this. Not everyone drinks Coca cola as well BTW and if they do it's their choice. Studies suggest fluoride in the water reduces the IQ of children so maybe your mother was bottle feeding you it as a baby. userds5050

1:21pm Sat 18 Jun 11

redandWhite79 says...

rightway wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it!
No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay.
Who is going to make me pay???You??? Southern Water??? The courts???
rightway I can assure you I won't be paying my bill!
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it![/p][/quote]No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay.[/p][/quote]Who is going to make me pay???You??? Southern Water??? The courts??? rightway I can assure you I won't be paying my bill! redandWhite79

1:30pm Sat 18 Jun 11

freemantlegirl2 says...

userds5050 wrote:
Sotonresidentfrombir

th85
wrote:
who cares! Its water with something in it....everyone drinks coca-cola!! Get a grip and deal with the more pressing things in life!!
Er, people with children, the elderly, people with ongoing illnesses who will be affected most by this. Not everyone drinks Coca cola as well BTW and if they do it's their choice. Studies suggest fluoride in the water reduces the IQ of children so maybe your mother was bottle feeding you it as a baby.
Brilliant and touche userds! ;)
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sotonresidentfrombir th85[/bold] wrote: who cares! Its water with something in it....everyone drinks coca-cola!! Get a grip and deal with the more pressing things in life!![/p][/quote]Er, people with children, the elderly, people with ongoing illnesses who will be affected most by this. Not everyone drinks Coca cola as well BTW and if they do it's their choice. Studies suggest fluoride in the water reduces the IQ of children so maybe your mother was bottle feeding you it as a baby.[/p][/quote]Brilliant and touche userds! ;) freemantlegirl2

1:37pm Sat 18 Jun 11

Poppy22 says...

Sotonresidentfrombir
th85
wrote:
who cares! Its water with something in it....everyone drinks coca-cola!! Get a grip and deal with the more pressing things in life!!
Everyone doesn't drink coca cola - some of us have seen what a good sink and loo cleaner it is and would prefer to use the cheap stuff for that than drink the expensive version!
[quote][p][bold]Sotonresidentfrombir th85[/bold] wrote: who cares! Its water with something in it....everyone drinks coca-cola!! Get a grip and deal with the more pressing things in life!![/p][/quote]Everyone doesn't drink coca cola - some of us have seen what a good sink and loo cleaner it is and would prefer to use the cheap stuff for that than drink the expensive version! Poppy22

1:39pm Sat 18 Jun 11

a and e says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
a and e wrote:
chemtrails in the sky , flouride and lithium in the water ,gm food and financial collapse,welcome to the new world order ,we are no longer free.
NWO - you ain't kidding.....Dick Chaney is behind this I'll bet.
wake up and smell the coffee ,icke was a disinfo agent along with that muppett wogan which made out the nwo is a joke and tin foil hat merchants,its very real ,look up the georgia guidestones ,maybe you will be one of the slave 500 million left at the end of it.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a and e[/bold] wrote: chemtrails in the sky , flouride and lithium in the water ,gm food and financial collapse,welcome to the new world order ,we are no longer free.[/p][/quote]NWO - you ain't kidding.....Dick Chaney is behind this I'll bet.[/p][/quote]wake up and smell the coffee ,icke was a disinfo agent along with that muppett wogan which made out the nwo is a joke and tin foil hat merchants,its very real ,look up the georgia guidestones ,maybe you will be one of the slave 500 million left at the end of it. a and e

1:47pm Sat 18 Jun 11

rightway says...

redandWhite79 wrote:
rightway wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote: The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it!
No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay.
Who is going to make me pay???You??? Southern Water??? The courts??? rightway I can assure you I won't be paying my bill!
Oh yes you will.
[quote][p][bold]redandWhite79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it![/p][/quote]No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay.[/p][/quote]Who is going to make me pay???You??? Southern Water??? The courts??? rightway I can assure you I won't be paying my bill![/p][/quote]Oh yes you will. rightway

1:53pm Sat 18 Jun 11

SOULJACKER says...

a and e wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
a and e wrote:
chemtrails in the sky , flouride and lithium in the water ,gm food and financial collapse,welcome to the new world order ,we are no longer free.
NWO - you ain't kidding.....Dick Chaney is behind this I'll bet.
wake up and smell the coffee ,icke was a disinfo agent along with that muppett wogan which made out the nwo is a joke and tin foil hat merchants,its very real ,look up the georgia guidestones ,maybe you will be one of the slave 500 million left at the end of it.
Hell yeah,

Haarp & all that stuff too :D

Good group called "hed (PE)".....sing all about this stuff all the time (tons of it on youtube, check it out).......NWO very real & happening now, not good :(
[quote][p][bold]a and e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a and e[/bold] wrote: chemtrails in the sky , flouride and lithium in the water ,gm food and financial collapse,welcome to the new world order ,we are no longer free.[/p][/quote]NWO - you ain't kidding.....Dick Chaney is behind this I'll bet.[/p][/quote]wake up and smell the coffee ,icke was a disinfo agent along with that muppett wogan which made out the nwo is a joke and tin foil hat merchants,its very real ,look up the georgia guidestones ,maybe you will be one of the slave 500 million left at the end of it.[/p][/quote]Hell yeah, Haarp & all that stuff too :D Good group called "hed (PE)".....sing all about this stuff all the time (tons of it on youtube, check it out).......NWO very real & happening now, not good :( SOULJACKER

2:33pm Sat 18 Jun 11

Linesman says...

redandWhite79 wrote:
rightway wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote: The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it!
No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay.
Who is going to make me pay???You??? Southern Water??? The courts??? rightway I can assure you I won't be paying my bill!
Don't pay.

Water turned off at the mains!

Bottled water is an expensive way to flush the toilets and top up the central heating system.

If more protesters follow your lead, there will be no danger of gardeners having to cope with a hosepipe ban.

I wonder whether fruit and veg plants prefer bottled water.
[quote][p][bold]redandWhite79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it![/p][/quote]No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay.[/p][/quote]Who is going to make me pay???You??? Southern Water??? The courts??? rightway I can assure you I won't be paying my bill![/p][/quote]Don't pay. Water turned off at the mains! Bottled water is an expensive way to flush the toilets and top up the central heating system. If more protesters follow your lead, there will be no danger of gardeners having to cope with a hosepipe ban. I wonder whether fruit and veg plants prefer bottled water. Linesman

2:43pm Sat 18 Jun 11

Eadwig says...

You're quite right - you don't need to pay, but of course you will need an alternative supply as I'm sure you wouldn't wish to steal water.
The answer is clearly for a group of those against fluoride to get together and provide the means of processing and distributing fluoride-free water. I wouldn't think this should be too expensive.
Another alternative is ask your doctor for a prescription for bottled water.
You're quite right - you don't need to pay, but of course you will need an alternative supply as I'm sure you wouldn't wish to steal water. The answer is clearly for a group of those against fluoride to get together and provide the means of processing and distributing fluoride-free water. I wouldn't think this should be too expensive. Another alternative is ask your doctor for a prescription for bottled water. Eadwig

3:08pm Sat 18 Jun 11

rightway says...

Talks cheap. Unless they're in that group of people who don't believe they should work for a living and who think everything should be handed to them for free, then they'll pay.
Talks cheap. Unless they're in that group of people who don't believe they should work for a living and who think everything should be handed to them for free, then they'll pay. rightway

3:46pm Sat 18 Jun 11

HowDictorial says...

Hampshire Against Fluoride have a facebook group;
http://www.facebook.
com/group.php?gid=56
086658918
Hampshire Against Fluoride have a facebook group; http://www.facebook. com/group.php?gid=56 086658918 HowDictorial

3:51pm Sat 18 Jun 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

If we can have a Privatised bin collection why not a seperate Privatised water supplier with their own pipelines. Or how do you set up an artesian well in the back garden.
If we can have a Privatised bin collection why not a seperate Privatised water supplier with their own pipelines. Or how do you set up an artesian well in the back garden. OSPREYSAINT

4:50pm Sat 18 Jun 11

captain_chaos says...

rightway wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it!
No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay.
Ah, NO I WON'T PAY MY BILL and as for someone starting a Face Book campaign I will look into it and if there isn't one I will attempt to start one (If I can find out how!)
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it![/p][/quote]No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay.[/p][/quote]Ah, NO I WON'T PAY MY BILL and as for someone starting a Face Book campaign I will look into it and if there isn't one I will attempt to start one (If I can find out how!) captain_chaos

4:51pm Sat 18 Jun 11

captain_chaos says...

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. captain_chaos

5:12pm Sat 18 Jun 11

rightway says...

captain_chaos wrote:
rightway wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote: The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it!
No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay.
Ah, NO I WON'T PAY MY BILL and as for someone starting a Face Book campaign I will look into it and if there isn't one I will attempt to start one (If I can find out how!)
You'll Pay...............
[quote][p][bold]captain_chaos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it![/p][/quote]No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay.[/p][/quote]Ah, NO I WON'T PAY MY BILL and as for someone starting a Face Book campaign I will look into it and if there isn't one I will attempt to start one (If I can find out how!)[/p][/quote]You'll Pay............... rightway

7:44pm Sat 18 Jun 11

Linesman says...

captain_chaos wrote:
.
I guess that sums up captain-chaos' contribution to the discussion.
[quote][p][bold]captain_chaos[/bold] wrote: .[/p][/quote]I guess that sums up captain-chaos' contribution to the discussion. Linesman

10:53pm Sat 18 Jun 11

Belshine says...

The arrogance shown by the SHA is unbelievable. The NHS money spent so far on this fiasco amounts to hundreds of thousands of pounds. How can this be right? Southampton people should lobby their councillors and MPs as its the only way now to get this policy reversed. We must show the rest of the UK that we will not lie down and accept our drinking water being "dosed" with a by-product of the fertiliser industry. Medicating the water sets a dangerous precedent.
The arrogance shown by the SHA is unbelievable. The NHS money spent so far on this fiasco amounts to hundreds of thousands of pounds. How can this be right? Southampton people should lobby their councillors and MPs as its the only way now to get this policy reversed. We must show the rest of the UK that we will not lie down and accept our drinking water being "dosed" with a by-product of the fertiliser industry. Medicating the water sets a dangerous precedent. Belshine

7:25am Sun 19 Jun 11

septuagenarian says...

Of coarse, it's no surprise these days, that all of our utilities are in the hands of
foreigners, thanks to Mrs Thatcher. Our water is owned by the Spaniards, who also own our airports. British gas is owned by the Americans. who also own our Ports, in fact, I struggle to think of anything that we can call BRITISH any more. LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY leave it out mate.
Of coarse, it's no surprise these days, that all of our utilities are in the hands of foreigners, thanks to Mrs Thatcher. Our water is owned by the Spaniards, who also own our airports. British gas is owned by the Americans. who also own our Ports, in fact, I struggle to think of anything that we can call BRITISH any more. LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY leave it out mate. septuagenarian

7:26am Sun 19 Jun 11

septuagenarian says...

Of coarse, it's no surprise these days, that all of our utilities are in the hands of
foreigners, thanks to Mrs Thatcher. Our water is owned by the Spaniards, who also own our airports. British gas is owned by the Americans. who also own our Ports, in fact, I struggle to think of anything that we can call BRITISH any more. LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY leave it out mate.
Of coarse, it's no surprise these days, that all of our utilities are in the hands of foreigners, thanks to Mrs Thatcher. Our water is owned by the Spaniards, who also own our airports. British gas is owned by the Americans. who also own our Ports, in fact, I struggle to think of anything that we can call BRITISH any more. LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY leave it out mate. septuagenarian

7:26am Sun 19 Jun 11

septuagenarian says...

Of coarse, it's no surprise these days, that all of our utilities are in the hands of
foreigners, thanks to Mrs Thatcher. Our water is owned by the Spaniards, who also own our airports. British gas is owned by the Americans. who also own our Ports, in fact, I struggle to think of anything that we can call BRITISH any more. LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY leave it out mate.
Of coarse, it's no surprise these days, that all of our utilities are in the hands of foreigners, thanks to Mrs Thatcher. Our water is owned by the Spaniards, who also own our airports. British gas is owned by the Americans. who also own our Ports, in fact, I struggle to think of anything that we can call BRITISH any more. LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY leave it out mate. septuagenarian

7:27am Sun 19 Jun 11

septuagenarian says...

Of coarse, it's no surprise these days, that all of our utilities are in the hands of
foreigners, thanks to Mrs Thatcher. Our water is owned by the Spaniards, who also own our airports. British gas is owned by the Americans. who also own our Ports, in fact, I struggle to think of anything that we can call BRITISH any more. LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY leave it out mate.
Of coarse, it's no surprise these days, that all of our utilities are in the hands of foreigners, thanks to Mrs Thatcher. Our water is owned by the Spaniards, who also own our airports. British gas is owned by the Americans. who also own our Ports, in fact, I struggle to think of anything that we can call BRITISH any more. LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY leave it out mate. septuagenarian

7:27am Sun 19 Jun 11

septuagenarian says...

Of coarse, it's no surprise these days, that all of our utilities are in the hands of
foreigners, thanks to Mrs Thatcher. Our water is owned by the Spaniards, who also own our airports. British gas is owned by the Americans. who also own our Ports, in fact, I struggle to think of anything that we can call BRITISH any more. LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY leave it out mate.
Of coarse, it's no surprise these days, that all of our utilities are in the hands of foreigners, thanks to Mrs Thatcher. Our water is owned by the Spaniards, who also own our airports. British gas is owned by the Americans. who also own our Ports, in fact, I struggle to think of anything that we can call BRITISH any more. LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY leave it out mate. septuagenarian

7:28am Sun 19 Jun 11

septuagenarian says...

Of coarse, it's no surprise these days, that all of our utilities are in the hands of
foreigners, thanks to Mrs Thatcher. Our water is owned by the Spaniards, who also own our airports. British gas is owned by the Americans. who also own our Ports, in fact, I struggle to think of anything that we can call BRITISH any more. LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY leave it out mate.
Of coarse, it's no surprise these days, that all of our utilities are in the hands of foreigners, thanks to Mrs Thatcher. Our water is owned by the Spaniards, who also own our airports. British gas is owned by the Americans. who also own our Ports, in fact, I struggle to think of anything that we can call BRITISH any more. LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY leave it out mate. septuagenarian

7:29am Sun 19 Jun 11

septuagenarian says...

Of coarse, it's no surprise these days, that all of our utilities are in the hands of
foreigners, thanks to Mrs Thatcher. Our water is owned by the Spaniards, who also own our airports. British gas is owned by the Americans. who also own our Ports, in fact, I struggle to think of anything that we can call BRITISH any more. LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY leave it out mate.
Of coarse, it's no surprise these days, that all of our utilities are in the hands of foreigners, thanks to Mrs Thatcher. Our water is owned by the Spaniards, who also own our airports. British gas is owned by the Americans. who also own our Ports, in fact, I struggle to think of anything that we can call BRITISH any more. LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY leave it out mate. septuagenarian

9:01am Sun 19 Jun 11

Linesman says...

Of 'course', it comes as no surprise that after seven attempts, the West End 'fount of all knowledge' starts off his latest diatribe with a glaring spelling mistake.
Of 'course', it comes as no surprise that after seven attempts, the West End 'fount of all knowledge' starts off his latest diatribe with a glaring spelling mistake. Linesman

11:25am Sun 19 Jun 11

IronLady2010 says...

Herein lies the problem........ look at the mouths!!

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=psNAGm5Wp
x0
Herein lies the problem........ look at the mouths!! http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=psNAGm5Wp x0 IronLady2010

12:39pm Sun 19 Jun 11

redandWhite79 says...

Linesman wrote:
redandWhite79 wrote:
rightway wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote: The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it!
No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay.
Who is going to make me pay???You??? Southern Water??? The courts??? rightway I can assure you I won't be paying my bill!
Don't pay.

Water turned off at the mains!

Bottled water is an expensive way to flush the toilets and top up the central heating system.

If more protesters follow your lead, there will be no danger of gardeners having to cope with a hosepipe ban.

I wonder whether fruit and veg plants prefer bottled water.
Yep your right!
Maybe i should pay my bill, and not give a rats @%$@ about my children drinking poison. As long as my toilet flushes and my central heating is fine, I'm sure ill sleep fine at night!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandWhite79[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it![/p][/quote]No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay.[/p][/quote]Who is going to make me pay???You??? Southern Water??? The courts??? rightway I can assure you I won't be paying my bill![/p][/quote]Don't pay. Water turned off at the mains! Bottled water is an expensive way to flush the toilets and top up the central heating system. If more protesters follow your lead, there will be no danger of gardeners having to cope with a hosepipe ban. I wonder whether fruit and veg plants prefer bottled water.[/p][/quote]Yep your right! Maybe i should pay my bill, and not give a rats @%$@ about my children drinking poison. As long as my toilet flushes and my central heating is fine, I'm sure ill sleep fine at night! redandWhite79

6:47pm Sun 19 Jun 11

userds5050 says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Herein lies the problem........ look at the mouths!!

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=psNAGm5Wp

x0
LOL. To be fair I don't any amount of fluoride in the water is gonna help that first chap.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Herein lies the problem........ look at the mouths!! http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=psNAGm5Wp x0[/p][/quote]LOL. To be fair I don't any amount of fluoride in the water is gonna help that first chap. userds5050

9:05pm Sun 19 Jun 11

IronLady2010 says...

userds5050 wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Herein lies the problem........ look at the mouths!!

http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=psNAGm5Wp


x0
LOL. To be fair I don't any amount of fluoride in the water is gonna help that first chap.
Whilst we can laugh at these muppets, the problem is they are breeding faster than rabbits. Before we know it society will be full of these people. I don't agree with Fluoride for one second, but with the bulk of society breeding things like this, I guess they are thinking ahead!

Maybe we should be campaigning for a cap on breeding for those parents who are illiterate and stupid, so we don't all have to have things forced upon us?
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Herein lies the problem........ look at the mouths!! http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=psNAGm5Wp x0[/p][/quote]LOL. To be fair I don't any amount of fluoride in the water is gonna help that first chap.[/p][/quote]Whilst we can laugh at these muppets, the problem is they are breeding faster than rabbits. Before we know it society will be full of these people. I don't agree with Fluoride for one second, but with the bulk of society breeding things like this, I guess they are thinking ahead! Maybe we should be campaigning for a cap on breeding for those parents who are illiterate and stupid, so we don't all have to have things forced upon us? IronLady2010

8:42am Wed 22 Jun 11

waterbill says...

Be aware of any trolls/vested interests on here. Feelings are so high against this scheme, and it's so easy for people to refuse to pay their bills. I really don't think health comes into it - it is usually money behind it all. If people insist on fitting water filters, then withholding payment until the filters are paid for, the water companies will lose a lot of money. It only takes one area of the UK to set a precedent. How have we got to the stage of these unelected medics telling us how to live our lives?
Be aware of any trolls/vested interests on here. Feelings are so high against this scheme, and it's so easy for people to refuse to pay their bills. I really don't think health comes into it - it is usually money behind it all. If people insist on fitting water filters, then withholding payment until the filters are paid for, the water companies will lose a lot of money. It only takes one area of the UK to set a precedent. How have we got to the stage of these unelected medics telling us how to live our lives? waterbill

11:04am Wed 22 Jun 11

Linesman says...

waterbill wrote:
Be aware of any trolls/vested interests on here. Feelings are so high against this scheme, and it's so easy for people to refuse to pay their bills. I really don't think health comes into it - it is usually money behind it all. If people insist on fitting water filters, then withholding payment until the filters are paid for, the water companies will lose a lot of money. It only takes one area of the UK to set a precedent. How have we got to the stage of these unelected medics telling us how to live our lives?
Feelings are so high against the scheme?

The percentage of protesters against the scheme compared with the number that would be effected is minimal.

The amount of water that is supplied to a dwelling that is actually ingested is minimal.

If you are so worried about fluoride, bathe, wash, water the garden and wash the car in water supplied by Southern Water and buy bottled water to drink.

QED
[quote][p][bold]waterbill[/bold] wrote: Be aware of any trolls/vested interests on here. Feelings are so high against this scheme, and it's so easy for people to refuse to pay their bills. I really don't think health comes into it - it is usually money behind it all. If people insist on fitting water filters, then withholding payment until the filters are paid for, the water companies will lose a lot of money. It only takes one area of the UK to set a precedent. How have we got to the stage of these unelected medics telling us how to live our lives?[/p][/quote]Feelings are so high against the scheme? The percentage of protesters against the scheme compared with the number that would be effected is minimal. The amount of water that is supplied to a dwelling that is actually ingested is minimal. If you are so worried about fluoride, bathe, wash, water the garden and wash the car in water supplied by Southern Water and buy bottled water to drink. QED Linesman

12:52pm Thu 23 Jun 11

AspieMum says...

Looks like its fluoride -free toothpaste for my kids in case North Baddesley gets its water in the same supply as Rownhams as we are near there.
Looks like its fluoride -free toothpaste for my kids in case North Baddesley gets its water in the same supply as Rownhams as we are near there. AspieMum

12:55pm Thu 23 Jun 11

AspieMum says...

captain_chaos wrote:
rightway wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it!
No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay.
Ah, NO I WON'T PAY MY BILL and as for someone starting a Face Book campaign I will look into it and if there isn't one I will attempt to start one (If I can find out how!)
I wouldn't be able to risk being on reduced supply or whatever they do to non-payers. I have 3 special needs children. Best I can do is switching toothpaste and/or using a filter jug.
[quote][p][bold]captain_chaos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: The moment Fluoride is placed in my water I will start Charging Southern Water for Bottled Water. I refuse to pay for a service I will not use! I don't see why I should pay hard earned money for something which is contaminated by chav culture. Deal with it![/p][/quote]No you won't charge Southern Water, and as for refusing to pay for the service, well once again your talking out off your rear end. Just like capt.chaos and redandwhite when the bill comes you will pay, you may moan but you will pay.[/p][/quote]Ah, NO I WON'T PAY MY BILL and as for someone starting a Face Book campaign I will look into it and if there isn't one I will attempt to start one (If I can find out how!)[/p][/quote]I wouldn't be able to risk being on reduced supply or whatever they do to non-payers. I have 3 special needs children. Best I can do is switching toothpaste and/or using a filter jug. AspieMum

1:03pm Thu 23 Jun 11

AspieMum says...

Belshine wrote:
The arrogance shown by the SHA is unbelievable. The NHS money spent so far on this fiasco amounts to hundreds of thousands of pounds. How can this be right? Southampton people should lobby their councillors and MPs as its the only way now to get this policy reversed. We must show the rest of the UK that we will not lie down and accept our drinking water being "dosed" with a by-product of the fertiliser industry. Medicating the water sets a dangerous precedent.
People have tried for all the good its done. The whole consultation process was an expensive waste of taxpayers money as they had no intention of listening to the results unless they got the answer they want. People have even taken it to court. It also doesn't just affect those in the areas consulted and targetted as at least one area has been identified as going to get fluorinated water part time outside but near the target area. Where else will get it part time?
[quote][p][bold]Belshine[/bold] wrote: The arrogance shown by the SHA is unbelievable. The NHS money spent so far on this fiasco amounts to hundreds of thousands of pounds. How can this be right? Southampton people should lobby their councillors and MPs as its the only way now to get this policy reversed. We must show the rest of the UK that we will not lie down and accept our drinking water being "dosed" with a by-product of the fertiliser industry. Medicating the water sets a dangerous precedent.[/p][/quote]People have tried for all the good its done. The whole consultation process was an expensive waste of taxpayers money as they had no intention of listening to the results unless they got the answer they want. People have even taken it to court. It also doesn't just affect those in the areas consulted and targetted as at least one area has been identified as going to get fluorinated water part time outside but near the target area. Where else will get it part time? AspieMum

1:13pm Thu 23 Jun 11

AspieMum says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
The S@1nt wrote:
This country goes to war to bring so called democracy to other nations and yet it seems we don't want to practice it here! How can 12 unelected people over rule the oppinion of thousands?? It seems to me the companies who are producing this waste are giving backhanders to our pennyless government to take it off their hands!
indeed, and wouldn't the money be better spent on proper denistry/and dental advice! tooth decay has got worse due to more than one factor...the food industry, very poor access to NHS dentists (even then most of them aren't brilliant), cutting back of dentists visiting schools, poor health education as a nation. Medicating the whole thing with fluoride at huge expense is just flawed.
I agree- especially as they had no intention of abiding by the results of the consultation. We're supposed to drink 8 glasses of water for good health but not everyonr does and some drink more. Medication usually has specific doses needed to be effective and if you have too much you get the problems of overdose. How when you are putting it in the water do you ensure enough but not too much especially as most toothpastes have it in too and how many kids have swallowed toothpaste?- probably quite a few.
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The S@1nt[/bold] wrote: This country goes to war to bring so called democracy to other nations and yet it seems we don't want to practice it here! How can 12 unelected people over rule the oppinion of thousands?? It seems to me the companies who are producing this waste are giving backhanders to our pennyless government to take it off their hands![/p][/quote]indeed, and wouldn't the money be better spent on proper denistry/and dental advice! tooth decay has got worse due to more than one factor...the food industry, very poor access to NHS dentists (even then most of them aren't brilliant), cutting back of dentists visiting schools, poor health education as a nation. Medicating the whole thing with fluoride at huge expense is just flawed.[/p][/quote]I agree- especially as they had no intention of abiding by the results of the consultation. We're supposed to drink 8 glasses of water for good health but not everyonr does and some drink more. Medication usually has specific doses needed to be effective and if you have too much you get the problems of overdose. How when you are putting it in the water do you ensure enough but not too much especially as most toothpastes have it in too and how many kids have swallowed toothpaste?- probably quite a few. AspieMum

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