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8:30am Thursday 17th September 2009 in Royal Pier & Casino
Exclusive By Peter Law, Feature Writer
SOUTHAMPTON has finally been given the go-ahead to build its Las Vegas-style casino, the Daily Echo can reveal.
The announcement by the Government is a major boost for the new plans to transform Southampton’s waterfront into a marine basin.
The Royal Pier site is the favoured location for the giant casino as it could help cover some of the £325m redevelopment cost.
However, before a brick is laid Southampton residents will have their say on whether the plans will get the goahead.
Southampton City Council’s Tory leaders were yesterday called on to immediately launch a major public consultation.
With up to 150 slot machines and £4,000 jackpots it would dwarf the UK’s current largest casinos and pump an estimated £11m annually into the local economy.
In May last year, Southampton was confirmed as one of eight authorities allowed to grant a so-called “large” casino licence.
But little progress has been made since because a complex set of new gambling regulations needed parliamentary approval.
The last of these regulations has now come into force giving the successful councils the power to move ahead with their casino plans.
A Department for Culture, Media and Sport spokesman said that Southampton City Council was now free to invite casino operators to bid for the lucrative licence.
Opposition Labour councillor Derek Burke said that the casino would be the catalyst for the much longed-for waterfront redevelopment.
“It’s time that we had a proper debate in the city about whether the people want a large casino or not,” Cllr Burke said.
“I am personally in favour because people can gamble 24 hours a day on the Internet if they want to, so if we can get a major development out of it then that is something we should look at very carefully.”
Liberal Democrat councillor John Slade said: “This is probably the last thing the Conservatives want, but this is a public debate that has got to happen now.
“It would be a catalyst for getting the Royal Pier done, but is the social cost going to be a price too high to pay?”
As reported by the Echo yesterday, developers Kilmartin have drawn up new plans for the waterfront that would see a giant promenade stretching from Mayflower Park across the water to Town Quay.
The Red Funnel ferry terminal would also be relocated to a nearby site to create muchneeded space on land and water for the PSP Southampton Boat Show.
Councillor Royston Smith, Cabinet member for economic development, said that the council would not speak to casino operators until after a public consultation was held, and that this would not happen until next year because there are still no detailed plans for the waterfront.
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Saint Cope
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9:32am Thu 17 Sep 09
freemantlegirl2 wrote:How do you know the casinos are empty if you are so against them? In my experience, they're always pretty full.
Another ridiculous plan! and another smack in the face for the general public in a recession!! however 'pretty' it makes the waterfront this is sheer lunacy! I hope the nearby residents kick up the biggest stink and put a stop to it! If you go into any of the casinos already here, they are noticeably empty (surprise surprise no-one's got money)!! We don't NEED another casino, we don't WANT another casino and we shouldn't HAVE aanother casino!!!!!!!!!!
Brite Spark
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9:39am Thu 17 Sep 09
Adrian-Smith
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9:43am Thu 17 Sep 09
Condor Man
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9:47am Thu 17 Sep 09
hulla baloo
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9:48am Thu 17 Sep 09
Adrian-Smith wrote:Interesting comment, and probably right.
"However, before a brick is laid Southampton residents will have their say on whether the plans will get the goahead." Will this be like the water poisoning consultation?
Lone Ranger
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9:48am Thu 17 Sep 09
freemantlegirl2 wrote:freemantlegirl2.....
Another ridiculous plan! and another smack in the face for the general public in a recession!! however 'pretty' it makes the waterfront this is sheer lunacy! I hope the nearby residents kick up the biggest stink and put a stop to it! If you go into any of the casinos already here, they are noticeably empty (surprise surprise no-one's got money)!! We don't NEED another casino, we don't WANT another casino and we shouldn't HAVE aanother casino!!!!!!!!!!
freemantlegirl2
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9:51am Thu 17 Sep 09
Saint Cope wrote:I do go to Harbour House, and have a Mint membership card actually! Harbour House was taken over by Mint as it used to be under private ownership. I also go to Maxim's in Terminus Terrace (only for special nights I'm not much of a gambler!). They HAVE been noticeably empty my friend. My point is that we don't need any further casinos, Harbour House IS right on the Waterfront, there's another at Leisure world, another in Terminus Terrace why do we then need a third?? BIG isn't necessarily better! Any 'fool' can see that in a time of recession building another Casino when three others already exist nearby (and others too in the city) is lunacy. I like the plans for the waterfront, just NOT for a Casino (I have commented on the plans for the Waterfront in the appropriate column!).... so please get your facts right before accusing people of being fools please. All very easy to sit behind a computer screen slagging people off but don't go assuming things that aren't there. I care about this City, we don't NEED another casino and it could make the existing ones go out of business!
freemantlegirl2 wrote:How do you know the casinos are empty if you are so against them? In my experience, they're always pretty full.
Another ridiculous plan! and another smack in the face for the general public in a recession!! however 'pretty' it makes the waterfront this is sheer lunacy! I hope the nearby residents kick up the biggest stink and put a stop to it! If you go into any of the casinos already here, they are noticeably empty (surprise surprise no-one's got money)!! We don't NEED another casino, we don't WANT another casino and we shouldn't HAVE aanother casino!!!!!!!!!!
The peeps stepping off the cruise ships will love chucking their money away into this casino, and it can only be a good thing for the city.
The only 'sheer lunacy' is coming from your mouth. Something needs to be done to this city, and it's people like you that put a stop to anything happening. Fool
freemantlegirl2
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9:56am Thu 17 Sep 09
Lone Ranger wrote:Thank you Lone Ranger, I shall go to that consultation :)
freemantlegirl2 wrote:freemantlegirl2.....
Another ridiculous plan! and another smack in the face for the general public in a recession!! however 'pretty' it makes the waterfront this is sheer lunacy! I hope the nearby residents kick up the biggest stink and put a stop to it! If you go into any of the casinos already here, they are noticeably empty (surprise surprise no-one's got money)!! We don't NEED another casino, we don't WANT another casino and we shouldn't HAVE aanother casino!!!!!!!!!!
.....in the last paragraph it states the following.
Quote:- Councillor Royston Smith, Cabinet member for economic development, said that the council would not speak to casino operators until after a public consultation was held, and that this would not happen until next year because there are still no detailed plans for the waterfront
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So it seems likely that if we do see a casino it will not be for at least five years by which time we will be long past this recession and looking forward to the next one!!...........and by this time your family would have grown up and will be looking forward to it !!
Lone Ranger
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10:00am Thu 17 Sep 09
freemantlegirl2 wrote:I was not making assupmtions re your family....its just as time goes by attitudes change...and somethings that you may not like or approve of is sometimes embraced by others...perhaps family.
Lone Ranger wrote:Thank you Lone Ranger, I shall go to that consultation :) Please don't make assumptions about my family using casinos. I go 'occasionally' as I've said in my above post, with friends for a meal and a bit of a flutter. As for my family, my eldest son is already 'old enough' to use it, and prefers clubbing, football and sport I'm afraid. His words are and I quote 'Casinos are for 'olds' and my two youngest sons are severely disabled and will sadly never be able to use Casinos because of severe learning difficulties. I wish some of you would be careful before commenting on people's families. These are my opinions, not those of my childrens. I'm pro the plans but we don't NEED another Casino!freemantlegirl2 wrote: Another ridiculous plan! and another smack in the face for the general public in a recession!! however 'pretty' it makes the waterfront this is sheer lunacy! I hope the nearby residents kick up the biggest stink and put a stop to it! If you go into any of the casinos already here, they are noticeably empty (surprise surprise no-one's got money)!! We don't NEED another casino, we don't WANT another casino and we shouldn't HAVE aanother casino!!!!!!!!!!freemantlegirl2..... .....in the last paragraph it states the following. Quote:- Councillor Royston Smith, Cabinet member for economic development, said that the council would not speak to casino operators until after a public consultation was held, and that this would not happen until next year because there are still no detailed plans for the waterfront --------- So it seems likely that if we do see a casino it will not be for at least five years by which time we will be long past this recession and looking forward to the next one!!...........and by this time your family would have grown up and will be looking forward to it !!
freemantlegirl2
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10:00am Thu 17 Sep 09
Condor Man wrote:A family member lives in Bugle Street, there is housing right up there and beyond, I'm assuming that they also mean businesses as well as domiciles? I can't see Mint being keen on the Casino idea can you?
Very few people actually live anywhere near that part of the waterfront so who would there be to consult?
Adrian-Smith
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10:01am Thu 17 Sep 09
Condor Man wrote:Very few people need extra Fluoride in their water - but we all have to suffer the consequences. A massive no vote was rejected by the authorities - but for our own good.
Very few people actually live anywhere near that part of the waterfront so who would there be to consult?
Brite Spark
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10:02am Thu 17 Sep 09
freemantlegirl2
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10:05am Thu 17 Sep 09
Lone Ranger wrote:My attitude is fine towards Casinos, as I said I use the ones that are in existence and so do friends of mine (some too much lol)... but I just don't see the need for a 'super casino'. I do want improvements but not for a casino - although I do appreciate that for the scheme to go ahead that 'may' be a sacrifice that will have to be made. I appreciate you didn't mean to offend but it is sometimes hard for me to know that my sons will never do things that the rest of us take for granted, so a rather sensitive thing for me but thanks for responding :) I appreciate it.
freemantlegirl2 wrote:I was not making assupmtions re your family....its just as time goes by attitudes change...and somethings that you may not like or approve of is sometimes embraced by others...perhaps family.
Lone Ranger wrote:Thank you Lone Ranger, I shall go to that consultation :) Please don't make assumptions about my family using casinos. I go 'occasionally' as I've said in my above post, with friends for a meal and a bit of a flutter. As for my family, my eldest son is already 'old enough' to use it, and prefers clubbing, football and sport I'm afraid. His words are and I quote 'Casinos are for 'olds' and my two youngest sons are severely disabled and will sadly never be able to use Casinos because of severe learning difficulties. I wish some of you would be careful before commenting on people's families. These are my opinions, not those of my childrens. I'm pro the plans but we don't NEED another Casino!freemantlegirl2 wrote: Another ridiculous plan! and another smack in the face for the general public in a recession!! however 'pretty' it makes the waterfront this is sheer lunacy! I hope the nearby residents kick up the biggest stink and put a stop to it! If you go into any of the casinos already here, they are noticeably empty (surprise surprise no-one's got money)!! We don't NEED another casino, we don't WANT another casino and we shouldn't HAVE aanother casino!!!!!!!!!!freemantlegirl2..... .....in the last paragraph it states the following. Quote:- Councillor Royston Smith, Cabinet member for economic development, said that the council would not speak to casino operators until after a public consultation was held, and that this would not happen until next year because there are still no detailed plans for the waterfront --------- So it seems likely that if we do see a casino it will not be for at least five years by which time we will be long past this recession and looking forward to the next one!!...........and by this time your family would have grown up and will be looking forward to it !!
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No offence intended
freemantlegirl2
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10:09am Thu 17 Sep 09
Brite Spark wrote:Yawn.........
"All very easy to sit behind a computer screen slagging people off ..."
I can't get behind my screen, it's all wires and plugs and linked to my 40" tv screen, and cables and in the corner, there's a spiders web there too and I can see what is on the screen if I sit in front of it.
allsaintsnocurves
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10:18am Thu 17 Sep 09
Redback
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10:22am Thu 17 Sep 09
MrGMan
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10:41am Thu 17 Sep 09
mr tein
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11:03am Thu 17 Sep 09
freemantlegirl2
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11:12am Thu 17 Sep 09
goard
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11:14am Thu 17 Sep 09
Paramjit Bahia
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11:37am Thu 17 Sep 09
Saint Cope
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12:11pm Thu 17 Sep 09
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Yawn. Stop telling lies
Saint Cope wrote:I do go to Harbour House, and have a Mint membership card actually! Harbour House was taken over by Mint as it used to be under private ownership. I also go to Maxim's in Terminus Terrace (only for special nights I'm not much of a gambler!). They HAVE been noticeably empty my friend. My point is that we don't need any further casinos, Harbour House IS right on the Waterfront, there's another at Leisure world, another in Terminus Terrace why do we then need a third?? BIG isn't necessarily better! Any 'fool' can see that in a time of recession building another Casino when three others already exist nearby (and others too in the city) is lunacy. I like the plans for the waterfront, just NOT for a Casino (I have commented on the plans for the Waterfront in the appropriate column!).... so please get your facts right before accusing people of being fools please. All very easy to sit behind a computer screen slagging people off but don't go assuming things that aren't there. I care about this City, we don't NEED another casino and it could make the existing ones go out of business!
freemantlegirl2 wrote:How do you know the casinos are empty if you are so against them? In my experience, they're always pretty full.
Another ridiculous plan! and another smack in the face for the general public in a recession!! however 'pretty' it makes the waterfront this is sheer lunacy! I hope the nearby residents kick up the biggest stink and put a stop to it! If you go into any of the casinos already here, they are noticeably empty (surprise surprise no-one's got money)!! We don't NEED another casino, we don't WANT another casino and we shouldn't HAVE aanother casino!!!!!!!!!!
The peeps stepping off the cruise ships will love chucking their money away into this casino, and it can only be a good thing for the city.
The only 'sheer lunacy' is coming from your mouth. Something needs to be done to this city, and it's people like you that put a stop to anything happening. Fool
southy
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12:30pm Thu 17 Sep 09
Brite Spark wrote:if mayflower park do get developed, then it become an area for the well off, and not for the likes of joe public, it will be like the marina in between eastern docks and town quay, they would not want you wondering around near the boats,
I don't give a hoot about a new casino, but if the Mayflower Park/Town Quay area is redeveloped as part of the project, so that Joe Public can have somewhere nice to go near the waterfront then lets go for it. What we have there now is embarrassing.
Apostrophe
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12:56pm Thu 17 Sep 09
stmarysmush
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1:04pm Thu 17 Sep 09
freemantlegirl2
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1:36pm Thu 17 Sep 09
Saint Cope wrote:No lying going on from me, try making some constructive comments for a change yes?? I don't mind people disagreeing with me whatsoever, as long as they do is constructively. Notice you've not taken any male counterparts to task about their opinions or called them fools so perhaps it's just a 'gender' thing, in that women aren't allowed opinions or to be members of casinos ;)? or made out to be liars. Grow up!
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Yawn. Stop telling lies
Saint Cope wrote:I do go to Harbour House, and have a Mint membership card actually! Harbour House was taken over by Mint as it used to be under private ownership. I also go to Maxim's in Terminus Terrace (only for special nights I'm not much of a gambler!). They HAVE been noticeably empty my friend. My point is that we don't need any further casinos, Harbour House IS right on the Waterfront, there's another at Leisure world, another in Terminus Terrace why do we then need a third?? BIG isn't necessarily better! Any 'fool' can see that in a time of recession building another Casino when three others already exist nearby (and others too in the city) is lunacy. I like the plans for the waterfront, just NOT for a Casino (I have commented on the plans for the Waterfront in the appropriate column!).... so please get your facts right before accusing people of being fools please. All very easy to sit behind a computer screen slagging people off but don't go assuming things that aren't there. I care about this City, we don't NEED another casino and it could make the existing ones go out of business!
freemantlegirl2 wrote:How do you know the casinos are empty if you are so against them? In my experience, they're always pretty full.
Another ridiculous plan! and another smack in the face for the general public in a recession!! however 'pretty' it makes the waterfront this is sheer lunacy! I hope the nearby residents kick up the biggest stink and put a stop to it! If you go into any of the casinos already here, they are noticeably empty (surprise surprise no-one's got money)!! We don't NEED another casino, we don't WANT another casino and we shouldn't HAVE aanother casino!!!!!!!!!!
The peeps stepping off the cruise ships will love chucking their money away into this casino, and it can only be a good thing for the city.
The only 'sheer lunacy' is coming from your mouth. Something needs to be done to this city, and it's people like you that put a stop to anything happening. Fool
Saint Cope
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2:14pm Thu 17 Sep 09
freemantlegirl2
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3:00pm Thu 17 Sep 09
Saint Cope wrote:Now that IS a constructive suggestion! I may well take you up on that :) if I can get a babysitter (live in sitter is starting Uni on Monday). We are all guilty, me included, of assuming things. Thank you for letting me know about that, I am genuinely interested :)
A gender thing huh?
You should come along to "The F Word" cafe at The Art House in Above Bar on the second Tuesday of every month....
It's a place to share ideas and thoughts on how to challenge those personal and individual experiences of sexism which affect all of us at one time or another. It's a space where women can share and support one another over the things which niggle, annoy, anger, hurt or enrage us about being a woman in modern Britain. The next one is on Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 7.30. See you there.
stmarysmush
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3:56pm Thu 17 Sep 09
freemantlegirl2 wrote:aww its a date.............lol
Saint Cope wrote: A gender thing huh? You should come along to "The F Word" cafe at The Art House in Above Bar on the second Tuesday of every month.... It's a place to share ideas and thoughts on how to challenge those personal and individual experiences of sexism which affect all of us at one time or another. It's a space where women can share and support one another over the things which niggle, annoy, anger, hurt or enrage us about being a woman in modern Britain. The next one is on Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 7.30. See you there.Now that IS a constructive suggestion! I may well take you up on that :) if I can get a babysitter (live in sitter is starting Uni on Monday). We are all guilty, me included, of assuming things. Thank you for letting me know about that, I am genuinely interested :) Maybe I could also show you my Mint Casino card whilst I'm there ;) I promise you, i may be a few things, bolshy, independent, feisty but i'm not a liar :)
timjim
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4:57pm Thu 17 Sep 09
Redback wrote:But on the upside - more prostitutes!
Dreadful idea.
Making Southampton a gambling mecca is hardly going to HELP our social problems is it?
More debt, more poverty, more distress, more desparation, to line the pockets of a few.
ex plodicus
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5:52pm Thu 17 Sep 09
veracity
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7:35pm Thu 17 Sep 09
freemantlegirl2 wrote:freemantle girl
Saint Cope wrote:Now that IS a constructive suggestion! I may well take you up on that :) if I can get a babysitter (live in sitter is starting Uni on Monday). We are all guilty, me included, of assuming things. Thank you for letting me know about that, I am genuinely interested :)
A gender thing huh?
You should come along to "The F Word" cafe at The Art House in Above Bar on the second Tuesday of every month....
It's a place to share ideas and thoughts on how to challenge those personal and individual experiences of sexism which affect all of us at one time or another. It's a space where women can share and support one another over the things which niggle, annoy, anger, hurt or enrage us about being a woman in modern Britain. The next one is on Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 7.30. See you there.
Maybe I could also show you my Mint Casino card whilst I'm there ;) I promise you, i may be a few things, bolshy, independent, feisty but i'm not a liar :)
Linesman
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11:03pm Thu 17 Sep 09
MrGMan
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11:26pm Thu 17 Sep 09
southy
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12:38am Fri 18 Sep 09
South Coast
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8:04am Fri 18 Sep 09
Montymontymonty
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1:43pm Fri 18 Sep 09
freemantlegirl2 wrote:In the interests of a consietent argument you should apply your principle of "do we need another casino when we have three already" to your call for more restaurants......don
Very good point about internet gambling (although I personally don't agree with it, it's a slippery slope but it's a person's choice whether they do that or not), and I would like to remind those who are saying about cruise ships that there are also casinos on board too! So with the three already situated on and around Town Quay, do we really need another???? It would be like builing another cinema complex, we already have Leisureworld, Ocean Village and Harbour Lights in the vicinity we don't really need another one. I appreciate that developers do have to raise revenue for this from commerical ventures but a bit more imagination wouldn't go amiss. Casinos only benefit those over 18 as well, and do not benefit a broad spectrum of people and families. Can we not have more restaurants, and revenue raising leisure facilities without a casino? Would present businesses be prepared to relocate to a prime location like this?
clausentum
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5:02pm Fri 18 Sep 09
veracity wrote:I too like her posts. Many times in recent weeks SHE has referred to her family life and her children. Now she is expressing shrill outrage that others are referring to her family life and her children. This too doesn't add up.
freemantlegirl2 wrote:freemantle girl
Saint Cope wrote:Now that IS a constructive suggestion! I may well take you up on that :) if I can get a babysitter (live in sitter is starting Uni on Monday). We are all guilty, me included, of assuming things. Thank you for letting me know about that, I am genuinely interested :)
A gender thing huh?
You should come along to "The F Word" cafe at The Art House in Above Bar on the second Tuesday of every month....
It's a place to share ideas and thoughts on how to challenge those personal and individual experiences of sexism which affect all of us at one time or another. It's a space where women can share and support one another over the things which niggle, annoy, anger, hurt or enrage us about being a woman in modern Britain. The next one is on Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 7.30. See you there.
Maybe I could also show you my Mint Casino card whilst I'm there ;) I promise you, i may be a few things, bolshy, independent, feisty but i'm not a liar :)
i like your posts.
however One thing that worries me a little you mention babysitter issues for a night out at the f word but you're |Ok for the casino.
Not for me to pry but it doesnt add up
freemantlegirl2
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8:07am Sat 19 Sep 09
clausentum wrote:Thank you gentlemen, what I mean is I people shouldn't 'assume' things about families, and I'm sure that people don't keep a log of my posts, to check up what I've said and haven't said if they're not regular readers lol. It would be a bit strange if they did wouldn't it, or mean that they had a fixation with me ;). I don't 'gamble' that much - I have a policy of NEVER spending any more than £20 betting in a casino (I can't afford any more tbh), and I ALWAYS have to book sitters for any nights out. My point was that my son won't be 'as available' as he HAS been and my other sitter is doing a nursing degree and is away on placement (she hasn't been before). I'm so chuffed that you're worried about my social life!!! ;) oh and I laughed like a drain at the psychologist thing because guess what my degree is in? ;) Psychology and Sociology! not that it makes me an expert whatsoever! Calm down people these are only opinions. I take your point about 'competition' about bars and restaurants, but there is only so much competition with certain business, like the example i gave about cinemas before it becomes saturation. I don't 'believe' that Southampton is a place that can sustain that amount of casinos, it is a relatively small city. Either that or it's a conspiracy theory by the Council to turn us all into serious gamblers so we won't notice what else they're getting up to whilst we're all in there drinking, gambling and making merry! ;)
veracity wrote:I too like her posts. Many times in recent weeks SHE has referred to her family life and her children. Now she is expressing shrill outrage that others are referring to her family life and her children. This too doesn't add up.
freemantlegirl2 wrote:freemantle girl
Saint Cope wrote:Now that IS a constructive suggestion! I may well take you up on that :) if I can get a babysitter (live in sitter is starting Uni on Monday). We are all guilty, me included, of assuming things. Thank you for letting me know about that, I am genuinely interested :)
A gender thing huh?
You should come along to "The F Word" cafe at The Art House in Above Bar on the second Tuesday of every month....
It's a place to share ideas and thoughts on how to challenge those personal and individual experiences of sexism which affect all of us at one time or another. It's a space where women can share and support one another over the things which niggle, annoy, anger, hurt or enrage us about being a woman in modern Britain. The next one is on Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 7.30. See you there.
Maybe I could also show you my Mint Casino card whilst I'm there ;) I promise you, i may be a few things, bolshy, independent, feisty but i'm not a liar :)
i like your posts.
however One thing that worries me a little you mention babysitter issues for a night out at the f word but you're |Ok for the casino.
Not for me to pry but it doesnt add up
freemantlegirl2
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8:33am Sat 19 Sep 09
jaysub
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9:37am Mon 21 Sep 09
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freemantlegirl2 says...
9:05am Thu 17 Sep 09