Rotting pier is an 'embarrassment' (From Daily Echo)

This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined.
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Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

I'm not 60 yet but I have fond memories about the pier. I wonder if Valerie remembers that time in the rain shelter lol.

"Every one of my customers makes a comment about it."
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Not true - I didn't.

He added: “We have a fantastic waterfront, but nothing there. I’d like to see something even better than Portsmouth’s Gunwharf Quays.”
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I could not agree more! Talk about wasted potential. The pier pretty much sums up all that's wrong with Southampton at the moment.

Lone Ranger wrote:
This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined.
.
Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined. . Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

Knock the pier down. Improve Mayflower Park and build Dibden Bay. QED

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined. . Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

Knock the pier down. Improve Mayflower Park and build Dibden Bay. QED

what and ruin the river for good,your the sort that will leave nothing but a dead smelly river for the generation yet to come.
mayflower is ok has it is, theres no need to build dibden bay leave that to nature, royal pier rebuild a new one.

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined. . Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

Knock the pier down. Improve Mayflower Park and build Dibden Bay. QED

what and ruin the river for good,your the sort that will leave nothing but a dead smelly river for the generation yet to come. mayflower is ok has it is, theres no need to build dibden bay leave that to nature, royal pier rebuild a new one.

Dibden bay was left to nature. It was reclaimed in the late 60's, early 70's.
I'm sure you will dispute that and troll another load of drivel! I want my kids and their offspring to have jobs. Not live in a tree hugging pipedream

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined. . Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

Knock the pier down. Improve Mayflower Park and build Dibden Bay. QED

what and ruin the river for good,your the sort that will leave nothing but a dead smelly river for the generation yet to come. mayflower is ok has it is, theres no need to build dibden bay leave that to nature, royal pier rebuild a new one.

Dibden bay was left to nature. It was reclaimed in the late 60's, early 70's.
I'm sure you will dispute that and troll another load of drivel! I want my kids and their offspring to have jobs. Not live in a tree hugging pipedream

reclaiming the bay started in the 50's and ended in the 80's. the last part that was filled in was the part where they built the marina in the 80's.
then your best bit is to move if they are going to depend on dock movement. the relocation of container port operation has all ready started. southampton container port is to become a feeder port. the new container port on the west coast is going ahead, and the one on the east coast. my nephew has all ready been ask to look for new home near shell heaven if he wishes to stay with the company. they are even going to help out if he chooses to stay. and the chances of your off spring getting a job is going to be very slim. future technology is going to mean less people having jobs. has it stands today only 3 out off every 4 people is working, the forecast in 10 years time 2 out off every 3. and it just going to get worse has the years roll by.

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined. . Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

Knock the pier down. Improve Mayflower Park and build Dibden Bay. QED

what and ruin the river for good,your the sort that will leave nothing but a dead smelly river for the generation yet to come. mayflower is ok has it is, theres no need to build dibden bay leave that to nature, royal pier rebuild a new one.

Dibden bay was left to nature. It was reclaimed in the late 60's, early 70's. I'm sure you will dispute that and troll another load of drivel! I want my kids and their offspring to have jobs. Not live in a tree hugging pipedream

reclaiming the bay started in the 50's and ended in the 80's. the last part that was filled in was the part where they built the marina in the 80's. then your best bit is to move if they are going to depend on dock movement. the relocation of container port operation has all ready started. southampton container port is to become a feeder port. the new container port on the west coast is going ahead, and the one on the east coast. my nephew has all ready been ask to look for new home near shell heaven if he wishes to stay with the company. they are even going to help out if he chooses to stay. and the chances of your off spring getting a job is going to be very slim. future technology is going to mean less people having jobs. has it stands today only 3 out off every 4 people is working, the forecast in 10 years time 2 out off every 3. and it just going to get worse has the years roll by.

Southy is right - (for once?)

If Dibden Bay is developed/desecrated and is a container port, it will not offer a great many jobs because it will all be done by a couple of people operating computers.
The docks are no longer labour intensive, they are the same as any other business, they cut costs by getting machines and computers to replace people.
Of course, there may be room for a couple of burger vans at the dock gate to feed the truckers - unless the freight goes by rail, which is the reason for all the work on the tunnel under Southampton.

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined. . Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

Knock the pier down. Improve Mayflower Park and build Dibden Bay. QED

what and ruin the river for good,your the sort that will leave nothing but a dead smelly river for the generation yet to come. mayflower is ok has it is, theres no need to build dibden bay leave that to nature, royal pier rebuild a new one.

Dibden bay was left to nature. It was reclaimed in the late 60's, early 70's.
I'm sure you will dispute that and troll another load of drivel! I want my kids and their offspring to have jobs. Not live in a tree hugging pipedream

reclaiming the bay started in the 50's and ended in the 80's. the last part that was filled in was the part where they built the marina in the 80's.
then your best bit is to move if they are going to depend on dock movement. the relocation of container port operation has all ready started. southampton container port is to become a feeder port. the new container port on the west coast is going ahead, and the one on the east coast. my nephew has all ready been ask to look for new home near shell heaven if he wishes to stay with the company. they are even going to help out if he chooses to stay. and the chances of your off spring getting a job is going to be very slim. future technology is going to mean less people having jobs. has it stands today only 3 out off every 4 people is working, the forecast in 10 years time 2 out off every 3. and it just going to get worse has the years roll by.

I'm on the side of 'Forest Hump'. Future generations require jobs in their home town's. If my children wanted a job here then so be it. Why should they have to move away from friends and family.
Job's in Southampton just don't rely on shipments but also manufacturers who are moving away.
If people like you had your own way then Southampton would be nothing more than a rat infested retail park.
I say build on Dibden and bury the snobs in the concrete of the new port.

cygnus wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined. . Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

Knock the pier down. Improve Mayflower Park and build Dibden Bay. QED

what and ruin the river for good,your the sort that will leave nothing but a dead smelly river for the generation yet to come. mayflower is ok has it is, theres no need to build dibden bay leave that to nature, royal pier rebuild a new one.

Dibden bay was left to nature. It was reclaimed in the late 60's, early 70's.
I'm sure you will dispute that and troll another load of drivel! I want my kids and their offspring to have jobs. Not live in a tree hugging pipedream

reclaiming the bay started in the 50's and ended in the 80's. the last part that was filled in was the part where they built the marina in the 80's.
then your best bit is to move if they are going to depend on dock movement. the relocation of container port operation has all ready started. southampton container port is to become a feeder port. the new container port on the west coast is going ahead, and the one on the east coast. my nephew has all ready been ask to look for new home near shell heaven if he wishes to stay with the company. they are even going to help out if he chooses to stay. and the chances of your off spring getting a job is going to be very slim. future technology is going to mean less people having jobs. has it stands today only 3 out off every 4 people is working, the forecast in 10 years time 2 out off every 3. and it just going to get worse has the years roll by.

I'm on the side of 'Forest Hump'. Future generations require jobs in their home town's. If my children wanted a job here then so be it. Why should they have to move away from friends and family.
Job's in Southampton just don't rely on shipments but also manufacturers who are moving away.
If people like you had your own way then Southampton would be nothing more than a rat infested retail park.
I say build on Dibden and bury the snobs in the concrete of the new port.

rat infested retail parks are your ideal world. the chances off your kids too getting jobs in the future are very slim, kids born today most will not see one job in the whole off there life time, population growth and technology will see to that. its your bosses that want this the type of people it needs are people like you who will follow like sheep, they dont care about or any one else has long has they get what they want, your just a pawn on a chessboard to be used and abused.

Southy, cite your references for the employment figures.

EU employment commission 2009.

cygnus wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined. . Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

Knock the pier down. Improve Mayflower Park and build Dibden Bay. QED

what and ruin the river for good,your the sort that will leave nothing but a dead smelly river for the generation yet to come. mayflower is ok has it is, theres no need to build dibden bay leave that to nature, royal pier rebuild a new one.

Dibden bay was left to nature. It was reclaimed in the late 60's, early 70's. I'm sure you will dispute that and troll another load of drivel! I want my kids and their offspring to have jobs. Not live in a tree hugging pipedream

reclaiming the bay started in the 50's and ended in the 80's. the last part that was filled in was the part where they built the marina in the 80's. then your best bit is to move if they are going to depend on dock movement. the relocation of container port operation has all ready started. southampton container port is to become a feeder port. the new container port on the west coast is going ahead, and the one on the east coast. my nephew has all ready been ask to look for new home near shell heaven if he wishes to stay with the company. they are even going to help out if he chooses to stay. and the chances of your off spring getting a job is going to be very slim. future technology is going to mean less people having jobs. has it stands today only 3 out off every 4 people is working, the forecast in 10 years time 2 out off every 3. and it just going to get worse has the years roll by.

I'm on the side of 'Forest Hump'. Future generations require jobs in their home town's. If my children wanted a job here then so be it. Why should they have to move away from friends and family. Job's in Southampton just don't rely on shipments but also manufacturers who are moving away. If people like you had your own way then Southampton would be nothing more than a rat infested retail park. I say build on Dibden and bury the snobs in the concrete of the new port.

There were people who thought that they had 'jobs for life' when the Esso opened up in 1951.
People flocked from all over the country to take up the jobs on offer, and associated industries located in the area.
Esso built recreation facilities for their workers, and everything looked rosy.
The thousands on the work-force then has now been dramatically reduced to less than half, and continuing to reduce, and the recreation facilities are no longer solely for the use of their employees - if it were, they could probably have a room each.
The industries that moved to the area have also reduced the number of their employees.
Why would anyone think that a container port at Dibden Bay would 'buck the trend' and employ thousands with a 'job for life'?
There is a greater prospect of long-term jobs by it becoming part of the New Forest National Park, where maintenance would not be reliant on the keyboard of a couple of computer operators.
My bet is that ABP want to develop Dibden Bay, get so far and claim it is not viable, and then opt for a yachting marina - because that is where the money is.

I wonder how many long-term jobs that would create.

Linesman wrote:

cygnus wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined. . Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

Knock the pier down. Improve Mayflower Park and build Dibden Bay. QED

what and ruin the river for good,your the sort that will leave nothing but a dead smelly river for the generation yet to come. mayflower is ok has it is, theres no need to build dibden bay leave that to nature, royal pier rebuild a new one.

Dibden bay was left to nature. It was reclaimed in the late 60's, early 70's. I'm sure you will dispute that and troll another load of drivel! I want my kids and their offspring to have jobs. Not live in a tree hugging pipedream

reclaiming the bay started in the 50's and ended in the 80's. the last part that was filled in was the part where they built the marina in the 80's. then your best bit is to move if they are going to depend on dock movement. the relocation of container port operation has all ready started. southampton container port is to become a feeder port. the new container port on the west coast is going ahead, and the one on the east coast. my nephew has all ready been ask to look for new home near shell heaven if he wishes to stay with the company. they are even going to help out if he chooses to stay. and the chances of your off spring getting a job is going to be very slim. future technology is going to mean less people having jobs. has it stands today only 3 out off every 4 people is working, the forecast in 10 years time 2 out off every 3. and it just going to get worse has the years roll by.

I'm on the side of 'Forest Hump'. Future generations require jobs in their home town's. If my children wanted a job here then so be it. Why should they have to move away from friends and family. Job's in Southampton just don't rely on shipments but also manufacturers who are moving away. If people like you had your own way then Southampton would be nothing more than a rat infested retail park. I say build on Dibden and bury the snobs in the concrete of the new port.

There were people who thought that they had 'jobs for life' when the Esso opened up in 1951.
People flocked from all over the country to take up the jobs on offer, and associated industries located in the area.
Esso built recreation facilities for their workers, and everything looked rosy.
The thousands on the work-force then has now been dramatically reduced to less than half, and continuing to reduce, and the recreation facilities are no longer solely for the use of their employees - if it were, they could probably have a room each.
The industries that moved to the area have also reduced the number of their employees.
Why would anyone think that a container port at Dibden Bay would 'buck the trend' and employ thousands with a 'job for life'?
There is a greater prospect of long-term jobs by it becoming part of the New Forest National Park, where maintenance would not be reliant on the keyboard of a couple of computer operators.
My bet is that ABP want to develop Dibden Bay, get so far and claim it is not viable, and then opt for a yachting marina - because that is where the money is.

I wonder how many long-term jobs that would create.

Sorry but I'm not on about the stone age when you were a youngster.
Additional container port would bring along better transportation routes, warehousing, manufacturing and supply company's; as well as additional retail outlets and forwarders back to the area.
The New Forest is only good for Dogging.

southy wrote:
EU employment commission 2009.

Southy
At home over the weekend and saw a copy of the Echo relating to an article on Royal Pier. There was a photo of an elderly gentlemen from Millbrook who was described at a retired rigger.
Do you know him?
Also any news of Andy from Locks Heath?. He used to be a regular poster but seems to have disappeared

very good chance that i will know him, theres a fair number off retired riggers in millbrook and redbridge.
andy was on the other day done one post and that was it. i know them all.

cygnus wrote:

Linesman wrote:

cygnus wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined. . Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

Knock the pier down. Improve Mayflower Park and build Dibden Bay. QED

what and ruin the river for good,your the sort that will leave nothing but a dead smelly river for the generation yet to come. mayflower is ok has it is, theres no need to build dibden bay leave that to nature, royal pier rebuild a new one.

Dibden bay was left to nature. It was reclaimed in the late 60's, early 70's. I'm sure you will dispute that and troll another load of drivel! I want my kids and their offspring to have jobs. Not live in a tree hugging pipedream

reclaiming the bay started in the 50's and ended in the 80's. the last part that was filled in was the part where they built the marina in the 80's. then your best bit is to move if they are going to depend on dock movement. the relocation of container port operation has all ready started. southampton container port is to become a feeder port. the new container port on the west coast is going ahead, and the one on the east coast. my nephew has all ready been ask to look for new home near shell heaven if he wishes to stay with the company. they are even going to help out if he chooses to stay. and the chances of your off spring getting a job is going to be very slim. future technology is going to mean less people having jobs. has it stands today only 3 out off every 4 people is working, the forecast in 10 years time 2 out off every 3. and it just going to get worse has the years roll by.

I'm on the side of 'Forest Hump'. Future generations require jobs in their home town's. If my children wanted a job here then so be it. Why should they have to move away from friends and family. Job's in Southampton just don't rely on shipments but also manufacturers who are moving away. If people like you had your own way then Southampton would be nothing more than a rat infested retail park. I say build on Dibden and bury the snobs in the concrete of the new port.

There were people who thought that they had 'jobs for life' when the Esso opened up in 1951. People flocked from all over the country to take up the jobs on offer, and associated industries located in the area. Esso built recreation facilities for their workers, and everything looked rosy. The thousands on the work-force then has now been dramatically reduced to less than half, and continuing to reduce, and the recreation facilities are no longer solely for the use of their employees - if it were, they could probably have a room each. The industries that moved to the area have also reduced the number of their employees. Why would anyone think that a container port at Dibden Bay would 'buck the trend' and employ thousands with a 'job for life'? There is a greater prospect of long-term jobs by it becoming part of the New Forest National Park, where maintenance would not be reliant on the keyboard of a couple of computer operators. My bet is that ABP want to develop Dibden Bay, get so far and claim it is not viable, and then opt for a yachting marina - because that is where the money is. I wonder how many long-term jobs that would create.

Sorry but I'm not on about the stone age when you were a youngster. Additional container port would bring along better transportation routes, warehousing, manufacturing and supply company's; as well as additional retail outlets and forwarders back to the area. The New Forest is only good for Dogging.

Thanks for the supportive words Cygnus. Who mentioned "jobs for life" anyhow? I somewhat think there would be more than just "a couple of computer operators"? Still, some people are very naive. I'm also very puzzled about Southy's Nephew being asked to move to "Shell Heaven"? I guess it would have pearly gates?

forest hump wrote:

cygnus wrote:

Linesman wrote:

cygnus wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined. . Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

Knock the pier down. Improve Mayflower Park and build Dibden Bay. QED

what and ruin the river for good,your the sort that will leave nothing but a dead smelly river for the generation yet to come. mayflower is ok has it is, theres no need to build dibden bay leave that to nature, royal pier rebuild a new one.

Dibden bay was left to nature. It was reclaimed in the late 60's, early 70's. I'm sure you will dispute that and troll another load of drivel! I want my kids and their offspring to have jobs. Not live in a tree hugging pipedream

reclaiming the bay started in the 50's and ended in the 80's. the last part that was filled in was the part where they built the marina in the 80's. then your best bit is to move if they are going to depend on dock movement. the relocation of container port operation has all ready started. southampton container port is to become a feeder port. the new container port on the west coast is going ahead, and the one on the east coast. my nephew has all ready been ask to look for new home near shell heaven if he wishes to stay with the company. they are even going to help out if he chooses to stay. and the chances of your off spring getting a job is going to be very slim. future technology is going to mean less people having jobs. has it stands today only 3 out off every 4 people is working, the forecast in 10 years time 2 out off every 3. and it just going to get worse has the years roll by.

I'm on the side of 'Forest Hump'. Future generations require jobs in their home town's. If my children wanted a job here then so be it. Why should they have to move away from friends and family. Job's in Southampton just don't rely on shipments but also manufacturers who are moving away. If people like you had your own way then Southampton would be nothing more than a rat infested retail park. I say build on Dibden and bury the snobs in the concrete of the new port.

There were people who thought that they had 'jobs for life' when the Esso opened up in 1951. People flocked from all over the country to take up the jobs on offer, and associated industries located in the area. Esso built recreation facilities for their workers, and everything looked rosy. The thousands on the work-force then has now been dramatically reduced to less than half, and continuing to reduce, and the recreation facilities are no longer solely for the use of their employees - if it were, they could probably have a room each. The industries that moved to the area have also reduced the number of their employees. Why would anyone think that a container port at Dibden Bay would 'buck the trend' and employ thousands with a 'job for life'? There is a greater prospect of long-term jobs by it becoming part of the New Forest National Park, where maintenance would not be reliant on the keyboard of a couple of computer operators. My bet is that ABP want to develop Dibden Bay, get so far and claim it is not viable, and then opt for a yachting marina - because that is where the money is. I wonder how many long-term jobs that would create.

Sorry but I'm not on about the stone age when you were a youngster. Additional container port would bring along better transportation routes, warehousing, manufacturing and supply company's; as well as additional retail outlets and forwarders back to the area. The New Forest is only good for Dogging.

Thanks for the supportive words Cygnus. Who mentioned "jobs for life" anyhow? I somewhat think there would be more than just "a couple of computer operators"? Still, some people are very naive. I'm also very puzzled about Southy's Nephew being asked to move to "Shell Heaven"? I guess it would have pearly gates?

shell heaven is going to be one off the two major container ports, the other is going to be on the west coast, all other container ports will be just feeder ports.
if the bay gets turned into a container port whitch is very unlikely now, has all political partys are agreeing on where the major container ports will be located, and the south coast is out of it, the only new jobs will be the contruction of a dock, all other jobs will be the same people who all ready work in the industry, they will send the full timers over this side, to the bay to do the work, and they will also use the temps list (if and when needed crew) to fill in the gaps.
so thinking there be more jobs for local people or for your kids, there will not be any. money talks, you dont have enough to make the difference.

Ben Doone wrote:

southy wrote:
EU employment commission 2009.

Southy
At home over the weekend and saw a copy of the Echo relating to an article on Royal Pier. There was a photo of an elderly gentlemen from Millbrook who was described at a retired rigger.
Do you know him?
Also any news of Andy from Locks Heath?. He used to be a regular poster but seems to have disappeared

As Southy said, Andy was on for one post and that was it, hope he's OK. On another thread, I'm still wondering about 'Bright Spark' after 'Spokesman for the Animals' said there had been an incident on the Itchen concerning a swan. Asked for source(s) of information about this but to no avail, can anyone else throw any light on it.

B. L. wrote:

Ben Doone wrote:

southy wrote:
EU employment commission 2009.

Southy
At home over the weekend and saw a copy of the Echo relating to an article on Royal Pier. There was a photo of an elderly gentlemen from Millbrook who was described at a retired rigger.
Do you know him?
Also any news of Andy from Locks Heath?. He used to be a regular poster but seems to have disappeared

As Southy said, Andy was on for one post and that was it, hope he's OK. On another thread, I'm still wondering about 'Bright Spark' after 'Spokesman for the Animals' said there had been an incident on the Itchen concerning a swan. Asked for source(s) of information about this but to no avail, can anyone else throw any light on it.

i not heard any thing back bl. but i keep my ears open. and let you know has soon has i hear any thing.

Thanks Southy.

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

cygnus wrote:

Linesman wrote:

cygnus wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined. . Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

Knock the pier down. Improve Mayflower Park and build Dibden Bay. QED

what and ruin the river for good,your the sort that will leave nothing but a dead smelly river for the generation yet to come. mayflower is ok has it is, theres no need to build dibden bay leave that to nature, royal pier rebuild a new one.

Dibden bay was left to nature. It was reclaimed in the late 60's, early 70's. I'm sure you will dispute that and troll another load of drivel! I want my kids and their offspring to have jobs. Not live in a tree hugging pipedream

reclaiming the bay started in the 50's and ended in the 80's. the last part that was filled in was the part where they built the marina in the 80's. then your best bit is to move if they are going to depend on dock movement. the relocation of container port operation has all ready started. southampton container port is to become a feeder port. the new container port on the west coast is going ahead, and the one on the east coast. my nephew has all ready been ask to look for new home near shell heaven if he wishes to stay with the company. they are even going to help out if he chooses to stay. and the chances of your off spring getting a job is going to be very slim. future technology is going to mean less people having jobs. has it stands today only 3 out off every 4 people is working, the forecast in 10 years time 2 out off every 3. and it just going to get worse has the years roll by.

I'm on the side of 'Forest Hump'. Future generations require jobs in their home town's. If my children wanted a job here then so be it. Why should they have to move away from friends and family. Job's in Southampton just don't rely on shipments but also manufacturers who are moving away. If people like you had your own way then Southampton would be nothing more than a rat infested retail park. I say build on Dibden and bury the snobs in the concrete of the new port.

There were people who thought that they had 'jobs for life' when the Esso opened up in 1951. People flocked from all over the country to take up the jobs on offer, and associated industries located in the area. Esso built recreation facilities for their workers, and everything looked rosy. The thousands on the work-force then has now been dramatically reduced to less than half, and continuing to reduce, and the recreation facilities are no longer solely for the use of their employees - if it were, they could probably have a room each. The industries that moved to the area have also reduced the number of their employees. Why would anyone think that a container port at Dibden Bay would 'buck the trend' and employ thousands with a 'job for life'? There is a greater prospect of long-term jobs by it becoming part of the New Forest National Park, where maintenance would not be reliant on the keyboard of a couple of computer operators. My bet is that ABP want to develop Dibden Bay, get so far and claim it is not viable, and then opt for a yachting marina - because that is where the money is. I wonder how many long-term jobs that would create.

Sorry but I'm not on about the stone age when you were a youngster. Additional container port would bring along better transportation routes, warehousing, manufacturing and supply company's; as well as additional retail outlets and forwarders back to the area. The New Forest is only good for Dogging.

Thanks for the supportive words Cygnus. Who mentioned "jobs for life" anyhow? I somewhat think there would be more than just "a couple of computer operators"? Still, some people are very naive. I'm also very puzzled about Southy's Nephew being asked to move to "Shell Heaven"? I guess it would have pearly gates?

shell heaven is going to be one off the two major container ports, the other is going to be on the west coast, all other container ports will be just feeder ports. if the bay gets turned into a container port whitch is very unlikely now, has all political partys are agreeing on where the major container ports will be located, and the south coast is out of it, the only new jobs will be the contruction of a dock, all other jobs will be the same people who all ready work in the industry, they will send the full timers over this side, to the bay to do the work, and they will also use the temps list (if and when needed crew) to fill in the gaps. so thinking there be more jobs for local people or for your kids, there will not be any. money talks, you dont have enough to make the difference.

How do you know how much money I have? Presumptuous fool.

Linesman wrote:

cygnus wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined. . Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

Knock the pier down. Improve Mayflower Park and build Dibden Bay. QED

what and ruin the river for good,your the sort that will leave nothing but a dead smelly river for the generation yet to come. mayflower is ok has it is, theres no need to build dibden bay leave that to nature, royal pier rebuild a new one.

Dibden bay was left to nature. It was reclaimed in the late 60's, early 70's. I'm sure you will dispute that and troll another load of drivel! I want my kids and their offspring to have jobs. Not live in a tree hugging pipedream

reclaiming the bay started in the 50's and ended in the 80's. the last part that was filled in was the part where they built the marina in the 80's. then your best bit is to move if they are going to depend on dock movement. the relocation of container port operation has all ready started. southampton container port is to become a feeder port. the new container port on the west coast is going ahead, and the one on the east coast. my nephew has all ready been ask to look for new home near shell heaven if he wishes to stay with the company. they are even going to help out if he chooses to stay. and the chances of your off spring getting a job is going to be very slim. future technology is going to mean less people having jobs. has it stands today only 3 out off every 4 people is working, the forecast in 10 years time 2 out off every 3. and it just going to get worse has the years roll by.

I'm on the side of 'Forest Hump'. Future generations require jobs in their home town's. If my children wanted a job here then so be it. Why should they have to move away from friends and family. Job's in Southampton just don't rely on shipments but also manufacturers who are moving away. If people like you had your own way then Southampton would be nothing more than a rat infested retail park. I say build on Dibden and bury the snobs in the concrete of the new port.

There were people who thought that they had 'jobs for life' when the Esso opened up in 1951.
People flocked from all over the country to take up the jobs on offer, and associated industries located in the area.
Esso built recreation facilities for their workers, and everything looked rosy.
The thousands on the work-force then has now been dramatically reduced to less than half, and continuing to reduce, and the recreation facilities are no longer solely for the use of their employees - if it were, they could probably have a room each.
The industries that moved to the area have also reduced the number of their employees.
Why would anyone think that a container port at Dibden Bay would 'buck the trend' and employ thousands with a 'job for life'?
There is a greater prospect of long-term jobs by it becoming part of the New Forest National Park, where maintenance would not be reliant on the keyboard of a couple of computer operators.
My bet is that ABP want to develop Dibden Bay, get so far and claim it is not viable, and then opt for a yachting marina - because that is where the money is.

I wonder how many long-term jobs that would create.

Lino
what industries have not reducuced in size since the 50's. Refining, railways, coal, steel, ship building,car plants, aviation, docks etc etc.
mechanisation is the reason.
are you really saying that by including dibden bay in the New Forest will create lots of full time and well paid jobs. You must be mad.
also APB are unlikely to considerf marinas as they got royally stuffed by the gin palace kings and queens who moved in to hythe marina and then said they had no knowlege thnat the area next door was down for port development.
You are as much a supposition merchant as your mATE southy. no facts just your dodgy opinions!!

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

cygnus wrote:

Linesman wrote:

cygnus wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined. . Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

Knock the pier down. Improve Mayflower Park and build Dibden Bay. QED

what and ruin the river for good,your the sort that will leave nothing but a dead smelly river for the generation yet to come. mayflower is ok has it is, theres no need to build dibden bay leave that to nature, royal pier rebuild a new one.

Dibden bay was left to nature. It was reclaimed in the late 60's, early 70's. I'm sure you will dispute that and troll another load of drivel! I want my kids and their offspring to have jobs. Not live in a tree hugging pipedream

reclaiming the bay started in the 50's and ended in the 80's. the last part that was filled in was the part where they built the marina in the 80's. then your best bit is to move if they are going to depend on dock movement. the relocation of container port operation has all ready started. southampton container port is to become a feeder port. the new container port on the west coast is going ahead, and the one on the east coast. my nephew has all ready been ask to look for new home near shell heaven if he wishes to stay with the company. they are even going to help out if he chooses to stay. and the chances of your off spring getting a job is going to be very slim. future technology is going to mean less people having jobs. has it stands today only 3 out off every 4 people is working, the forecast in 10 years time 2 out off every 3. and it just going to get worse has the years roll by.

I'm on the side of 'Forest Hump'. Future generations require jobs in their home town's. If my children wanted a job here then so be it. Why should they have to move away from friends and family. Job's in Southampton just don't rely on shipments but also manufacturers who are moving away. If people like you had your own way then Southampton would be nothing more than a rat infested retail park. I say build on Dibden and bury the snobs in the concrete of the new port.

There were people who thought that they had 'jobs for life' when the Esso opened up in 1951. People flocked from all over the country to take up the jobs on offer, and associated industries located in the area. Esso built recreation facilities for their workers, and everything looked rosy. The thousands on the work-force then has now been dramatically reduced to less than half, and continuing to reduce, and the recreation facilities are no longer solely for the use of their employees - if it were, they could probably have a room each. The industries that moved to the area have also reduced the number of their employees. Why would anyone think that a container port at Dibden Bay would 'buck the trend' and employ thousands with a 'job for life'? There is a greater prospect of long-term jobs by it becoming part of the New Forest National Park, where maintenance would not be reliant on the keyboard of a couple of computer operators. My bet is that ABP want to develop Dibden Bay, get so far and claim it is not viable, and then opt for a yachting marina - because that is where the money is. I wonder how many long-term jobs that would create.

Sorry but I'm not on about the stone age when you were a youngster. Additional container port would bring along better transportation routes, warehousing, manufacturing and supply company's; as well as additional retail outlets and forwarders back to the area. The New Forest is only good for Dogging.

Thanks for the supportive words Cygnus. Who mentioned "jobs for life" anyhow? I somewhat think there would be more than just "a couple of computer operators"? Still, some people are very naive. I'm also very puzzled about Southy's Nephew being asked to move to "Shell Heaven"? I guess it would have pearly gates?

shell heaven is going to be one off the two major container ports, the other is going to be on the west coast, all other container ports will be just feeder ports. if the bay gets turned into a container port whitch is very unlikely now, has all political partys are agreeing on where the major container ports will be located, and the south coast is out of it, the only new jobs will be the contruction of a dock, all other jobs will be the same people who all ready work in the industry, they will send the full timers over this side, to the bay to do the work, and they will also use the temps list (if and when needed crew) to fill in the gaps. so thinking there be more jobs for local people or for your kids, there will not be any. money talks, you dont have enough to make the difference.

How do you know how much money I have? Presumptuous fool.

i said money talks, and you would not be posting the way you do if you had enough money, and i am not say you dont have any, i saying you dont have enough to join that elite club of the wealthy.

veracity wrote:

Linesman wrote:

cygnus wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

forest hump wrote:

southy wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote: This pier is as embarassing as the joint efforts of ABP and the Council combined. . Both parties should be ashamed of this vile eyesore

apb and apbj and council should be taken to court over it, and have it removed from there procession they have proven over and over again that they are not worthy to look after local heritage

Knock the pier down. Improve Mayflower Park and build Dibden Bay. QED

what and ruin the river for good,your the sort that will leave nothing but a dead smelly river for the generation yet to come. mayflower is ok has it is, theres no need to build dibden bay leave that to nature, royal pier rebuild a new one.

Dibden bay was left to nature. It was reclaimed in the late 60's, early 70's. I'm sure you will dispute that and troll another load of drivel! I want my kids and their offspring to have jobs. Not live in a tree hugging pipedream

reclaiming the bay started in the 50's and ended in the 80's. the last part that was filled in was the part where they built the marina in the 80's. then your best bit is to move if they are going to depend on dock movement. the relocation of container port operation has all ready started. southampton container port is to become a feeder port. the new container port on the west coast is going ahead, and the one on the east coast. my nephew has all ready been ask to look for new home near shell heaven if he wishes to stay with the company. they are even going to help out if he chooses to stay. and the chances of your off spring getting a job is going to be very slim. future technology is going to mean less people having jobs. has it stands today only 3 out off every 4 people is working, the forecast in 10 years time 2 out off every 3. and it just going to get worse has the years roll by.

I'm on the side of 'Forest Hump'. Future generations require jobs in their home town's. If my children wanted a job here then so be it. Why should they have to move away from friends and family. Job's in Southampton just don't rely on shipments but also manufacturers who are moving away. If people like you had your own way then Southampton would be nothing more than a rat infested retail park. I say build on Dibden and bury the snobs in the concrete of the new port.

There were people who thought that they had 'jobs for life' when the Esso opened up in 1951.
People flocked from all over the country to take up the jobs on offer, and associated industries located in the area.
Esso built recreation facilities for their workers, and everything looked rosy.
The thousands on the work-force then has now been dramatically reduced to less than half, and continuing to reduce, and the recreation facilities are no longer solely for the use of their employees - if it were, they could probably have a room each.
The industries that moved to the area have also reduced the number of their employees.
Why would anyone think that a container port at Dibden Bay would 'buck the trend' and employ thousands with a 'job for life'?
There is a greater prospect of long-term jobs by it becoming part of the New Forest National Park, where maintenance would not be reliant on the keyboard of a couple of computer operators.
My bet is that ABP want to develop Dibden Bay, get so far and claim it is not viable, and then opt for a yachting marina - because that is where the money is.

I wonder how many long-term jobs that would create.

Lino
what industries have not reducuced in size since the 50's. Refining, railways, coal, steel, ship building,car plants, aviation, docks etc etc.
mechanisation is the reason.
are you really saying that by including dibden bay in the New Forest will create lots of full time and well paid jobs. You must be mad.
also APB are unlikely to considerf marinas as they got royally stuffed by the gin palace kings and queens who moved in to hythe marina and then said they had no knowlege thnat the area next door was down for port development.
You are as much a supposition merchant as your mATE southy. no facts just your dodgy opinions!!

what you mean like your facts whitch are very dodgy, it was not put down has port development. it was port related developments, whitch could mean marina's. or just plain storage area. there's nothing about quay side. and since the docks was denationlize. they have less power now than they did do, while they was a nationalise industry they had control over all moorings and landings with in river test (southampton waters) and itchen and river rum. on denationlising they lost a lot of that control. they only have the say now in side the city limits and entrance channels to southampton docks.

Oh dear, oh dear
southy wrong on facts AGAIN. Shock horror!!
there was no change after densationalisation.
ABp inherited the same harbour rights as the old docks Board who got them from the old harbour Board.
Bet you dont even know what are the limits to the port.

veracity wrote:
Oh dear, oh dear
southy wrong on facts AGAIN. Shock horror!!
there was no change after densationalisation.
ABp inherited the same harbour rights as the old docks Board who got them from the old harbour Board.
Bet you dont even know what are the limits to the port.

yes there was, while they was a nationalise industry they had state control, no private firm is aloud to have any state control, southampton docks had to revert back to the kings charter whitch lays out the rules.
example abp use to have all mooring controls in ealing creek, on privatisation of the docks, crown estate remove that right and handed it over to the local parish council. and that happened all the way down the west bank of the river. and east bank out side the city limits. ( a local parish council can ask abp to run it for them on a commission basis.
abp only have the rights in all the channels that head into southampton docks, has laid out by royal charter. they also have rights with in the city limits. and you can check this out with the crown marine estate commissioners here in southampton. i all ready have, and have it in writing from the london head office.

this is all tosh you are making it up.
I dont believe for a moment you have any correspodance with the crown estates.
you say that abp have only rights within city limits.
why then do they charge shipping dues for vessels that call at marchwood and fawley on the waterside???
answer my earler question. where are the limits of the port abp have control over (i'll give you a clue - there are four)

this is all tosh you are making it up.
I dont believe for a moment you have any correspodance with the crown estates.
you say that abp have only rights within city limits.
why then do they charge shipping dues for vessels that call at marchwood and fawley on the waterside???
answer my earler question. where are the limits of the port abp have control over (i'll give you a clue - there are four)