Plans to sell off art are voted through

Daily Echo: Protestors on the steps of Southampton's Civic Centre this afternoon. Protestors on the steps of Southampton's Civic Centre this afternoon.

PLANS to sell of some of Southampton's art works have been voted through despite a demonstration to stop the controversial move.

More than 60 people gathered on the steps on the Civic Centre shouting “hands off not for sale” and “don’t vote Tory”.

At a meeting of the full council, they handed over a petition with more than 2,500 names deploring the proposed sale of two pieces of art.

But the, the Tory-controlled council that wants to sell a painting by English artist Alfred Munnings and a sculpture by French master Auguste Rodin, voted to continue with the plans.

All funds raised will help pay for the £15m Sea City Museum, which will feature a Titanic exhibition and new space for the City Art Gallery.

Councillors voted to formally approach the Attorney General Baroness Scotland of Asthal – the Government’s chief legal advisor – and powerful Museums, Libraries and Archives Council to gain approval for the move.

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6:04pm Wed 16 Sep 09

ex plodicus says...

more than SIXTY people attended! WOW, that just goes to show how much the people of southampton care about this tripe. sell the rubbish and use the money on something good, maybe a couple of decent football players?
more than SIXTY people attended! WOW, that just goes to show how much the people of southampton care about this tripe. sell the rubbish and use the money on something good, maybe a couple of decent football players? ex plodicus
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6:05pm Wed 16 Sep 09

Bartonian says...

ex plodicus wrote:
more than SIXTY people attended! WOW, that just goes to show how much the people of southampton care about this tripe. sell the rubbish and use the money on something good, maybe a couple of decent football players?
You are tripe, if all you care about is football!
[quote][p][bold]ex plodicus[/bold] wrote: more than SIXTY people attended! WOW, that just goes to show how much the people of southampton care about this tripe. sell the rubbish and use the money on something good, maybe a couple of decent football players? [/p][/quote]You are tripe, if all you care about is football! Bartonian
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6:41pm Wed 16 Sep 09

clausentum says...

Bartonian wrote:
ex plodicus wrote:
more than SIXTY people attended! WOW, that just goes to show how much the people of southampton care about this tripe. sell the rubbish and use the money on something good, maybe a couple of decent football players?
You are tripe, if all you care about is football!
I'd like to see SCC commission a full-size statue of Le God with his foot stuck in his mouth ( symbolising his revelation of his betting scam antics ), and footnotes to the statue explaining there is no correlation between the skills in a footballers feet and having a brain.
[quote][p][bold]Bartonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ex plodicus[/bold] wrote: more than SIXTY people attended! WOW, that just goes to show how much the people of southampton care about this tripe. sell the rubbish and use the money on something good, maybe a couple of decent football players? [/p][/quote]You are tripe, if all you care about is football![/p][/quote]I'd like to see SCC commission a full-size statue of Le God with his foot stuck in his mouth ( symbolising his revelation of his betting scam antics ), and footnotes to the statue explaining there is no correlation between the skills in a footballers feet and having a brain. clausentum
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6:42pm Wed 16 Sep 09

clausentum says...

Bartonian wrote:
ex plodicus wrote:
more than SIXTY people attended! WOW, that just goes to show how much the people of southampton care about this tripe. sell the rubbish and use the money on something good, maybe a couple of decent football players?
You are tripe, if all you care about is football!
I'd like to see SCC commission a full-size statue of Le God with his foot stuck in his mouth ( symbolising his revelation of his betting scam antics ), and footnotes to the statue explaining there is no correlation between the skills in a footballers feet and having a brain.
[quote][p][bold]Bartonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ex plodicus[/bold] wrote: more than SIXTY people attended! WOW, that just goes to show how much the people of southampton care about this tripe. sell the rubbish and use the money on something good, maybe a couple of decent football players? [/p][/quote]You are tripe, if all you care about is football![/p][/quote]I'd like to see SCC commission a full-size statue of Le God with his foot stuck in his mouth ( symbolising his revelation of his betting scam antics ), and footnotes to the statue explaining there is no correlation between the skills in a footballers feet and having a brain. clausentum
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7:00pm Wed 16 Sep 09

ex plodicus says...

bartonionion! you rose to the goad! fool . i do not support southampton or any other football team. i just wanted a stupid response, thank you. you have given it.
bartonionion! you rose to the goad! fool . i do not support southampton or any other football team. i just wanted a stupid response, thank you. you have given it. ex plodicus
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7:15pm Wed 16 Sep 09

ex plodicus says...

ealing pictures circa 1959, school for scoundrels! how to make someone who thinks they are better than you! look stupid, ever been had bartononion?.
sw/TINY-LEAN! doh
ealing pictures circa 1959, school for scoundrels! how to make someone who thinks they are better than you! look stupid, ever been had bartononion?. sw/TINY-LEAN! doh ex plodicus
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8:12pm Wed 16 Sep 09

roybrownartist says...

having been at the protest i can say that i nore anyone i was with were shouting dont vote tory, as for the football coments .... please grow up football and art are big buissness and southampon has squandered both these things to be proud of in recent years
having been at the protest i can say that i nore anyone i was with were shouting dont vote tory, as for the football coments .... please grow up football and art are big buissness and southampon has squandered both these things to be proud of in recent years roybrownartist
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10:11pm Wed 16 Sep 09

stuartjebbitt says...

So two great pieces of Art (a Rodin and a Munnings no less) will be flogged off to pay for a 'Sea City Museum'.
No doubt this will be a pathetic attempt to compete with the Historic Dockyard at Portsmouth.
(so we're onto a loser almost straight away)
The Titanic disaster was a human tragedy, not a tourist attraction.
It was also built in Belfast and last sailed out of Cork.
Why not a Benny Hill Museum, at least he actually came from Southampton!


So two great pieces of Art (a Rodin and a Munnings no less) will be flogged off to pay for a 'Sea City Museum'. No doubt this will be a pathetic attempt to compete with the Historic Dockyard at Portsmouth. (so we're onto a loser almost straight away) The Titanic disaster was a human tragedy, not a tourist attraction. It was also built in Belfast and last sailed out of Cork. Why not a Benny Hill Museum, at least he actually came from Southampton! stuartjebbitt
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10:56pm Wed 16 Sep 09

Condor Man says...

Unless you are a Southampton resident you have no right to comment. I'd rather have a museum to take my kids to instead of paintings that are never seen.
Unless you are a Southampton resident you have no right to comment. I'd rather have a museum to take my kids to instead of paintings that are never seen. Condor Man
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11:00pm Wed 16 Sep 09

Jenjo says...

The campaign to get Hannides (2010) and Samuels (2011) out of Bassett begins now, you read it here first, if the white elephant Titanic thing ever gets built they will have lost their seats on the council by then anyway
The campaign to get Hannides (2010) and Samuels (2011) out of Bassett begins now, you read it here first, if the white elephant Titanic thing ever gets built they will have lost their seats on the council by then anyway Jenjo
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11:04pm Wed 16 Sep 09

Jenjo says...

Just noticed Hannides is in till 2012 so we'll focus on Samuels instead, he doesn't even live in Bassett so it will be relatively easy to persuade people to vote him out
Just noticed Hannides is in till 2012 so we'll focus on Samuels instead, he doesn't even live in Bassett so it will be relatively easy to persuade people to vote him out Jenjo
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11:17pm Wed 16 Sep 09

Swalk says...

... I see Condor Man is still spreading the rumour that the Munnings is never seen in Southampton. Just like those who claim that paintings are "gathering dust" in the basement. All incorrect, of course, but useful propaganda if you want to win the argument at all costs. Echo staff, you should be ashamed of yourself for talking the council into this, and the paper is going to make itself very unpopular in some places as a consequence, but the fight doesn't end here
... I see Condor Man is still spreading the rumour that the Munnings is never seen in Southampton. Just like those who claim that paintings are "gathering dust" in the basement. All incorrect, of course, but useful propaganda if you want to win the argument at all costs. Echo staff, you should be ashamed of yourself for talking the council into this, and the paper is going to make itself very unpopular in some places as a consequence, but the fight doesn't end here Swalk
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11:19pm Wed 16 Sep 09

stuartjebbitt says...

That's EXACTLY the Royston Vasey type attitude ("This is a local museum, there's nothing for you strangers here") that puts people off visiting Southampton in the first place!

I rest my case.
That's EXACTLY the Royston Vasey type attitude ("This is a local museum, there's nothing for you strangers here") that puts people off visiting Southampton in the first place! I rest my case. stuartjebbitt
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11:20pm Wed 16 Sep 09

stuartjebbitt says...

Condor Man wrote:
Unless you are a Southampton resident you have no right to comment. I'd rather have a museum to take my kids to instead of paintings that are never seen.
That's EXACTLY the Royston Vasey type attitude ("This is a local museum, there's nothing for you strangers here") that puts people off visiting Southampton in the first place!

I rest my case
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Unless you are a Southampton resident you have no right to comment. I'd rather have a museum to take my kids to instead of paintings that are never seen.[/p][/quote]That's EXACTLY the Royston Vasey type attitude ("This is a local museum, there's nothing for you strangers here") that puts people off visiting Southampton in the first place! I rest my case stuartjebbitt
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11:30pm Wed 16 Sep 09

southy says...

Jenjo wrote:
Just noticed Hannides is in till 2012 so we'll focus on Samuels instead, he doesn't even live in Bassett so it will be relatively easy to persuade people to vote him out
you should all ways think twice before voting a tory in to power, weather it be local or national, the torys are well known for a load of things, like selling of things that dont belong to them, snatching milk from the school kids, tory the party of high unemployment, and many more.

stuartjebbitt, Eastleigh i see you cotton on to him very quickly, just play along with him and others, like him.
[quote][p][bold]Jenjo[/bold] wrote: Just noticed Hannides is in till 2012 so we'll focus on Samuels instead, he doesn't even live in Bassett so it will be relatively easy to persuade people to vote him out[/p][/quote]you should all ways think twice before voting a tory in to power, weather it be local or national, the torys are well known for a load of things, like selling of things that dont belong to them, snatching milk from the school kids, tory the party of high unemployment, and many more. stuartjebbitt, Eastleigh i see you cotton on to him very quickly, just play along with him and others, like him. southy
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9:40am Thu 17 Sep 09

freemantlegirl2 says...

Jenjo wrote:
Just noticed Hannides is in till 2012 so we'll focus on Samuels instead, he doesn't even live in Bassett so it will be relatively easy to persuade people to vote him out
as Alec Samuels has been on the Council for years, who is voting for him? He's a windbag of hot air, always has been and always will be. However, that isn't the point.

Well done to those that demonstrated, but the first poster here is right 60 people don't really reflect a large majority of Southampton residents. As some of these pieces are being exhibited elsewhere it seems ludicrous to keep them. I agree that they shouldn't be sold to a private owner and should remain for the public to enjoy if they so wish, doesn't matter whether that's in Southampton or not.

Sadly, whether you are an art fan you are going to have to admit that a museum may attract far more people. The present art gallery is not conducive to showing art at it's best. My children have visited there with me and with school and just are not interested in it. i remember seeing the Mona Lisa in the Louvre when I was younger and wondering what all the fuss was about. I'm takiing my daughter to the Pop Art exhibition in October at the Tate Modern, I know she will find this more interesting! We can't be sentimental and just keep art for the sake of knowing it's there, it has to appeal. Although I don't agree with the way that the Council have gone about this, or practically the way they are going about anything at the moment! I am glad to say I have never voted for a Tory Councillor in my life and never will do so!
[quote][p][bold]Jenjo[/bold] wrote: Just noticed Hannides is in till 2012 so we'll focus on Samuels instead, he doesn't even live in Bassett so it will be relatively easy to persuade people to vote him out[/p][/quote]as Alec Samuels has been on the Council for years, who is voting for him? He's a windbag of hot air, always has been and always will be. However, that isn't the point. Well done to those that demonstrated, but the first poster here is right 60 people don't really reflect a large majority of Southampton residents. As some of these pieces are being exhibited elsewhere it seems ludicrous to keep them. I agree that they shouldn't be sold to a private owner and should remain for the public to enjoy if they so wish, doesn't matter whether that's in Southampton or not. Sadly, whether you are an art fan you are going to have to admit that a museum may attract far more people. The present art gallery is not conducive to showing art at it's best. My children have visited there with me and with school and just are not interested in it. i remember seeing the Mona Lisa in the Louvre when I was younger and wondering what all the fuss was about. I'm takiing my daughter to the Pop Art exhibition in October at the Tate Modern, I know she will find this more interesting! We can't be sentimental and just keep art for the sake of knowing it's there, it has to appeal. Although I don't agree with the way that the Council have gone about this, or practically the way they are going about anything at the moment! I am glad to say I have never voted for a Tory Councillor in my life and never will do so! freemantlegirl2
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9:49am Thu 17 Sep 09

Condor Man says...

Alec Samuels is the Bassett councillor, as in Hannides. People in that ward live in big houses and have lots of money, of course they are going to vote Tory as they don't need the services that the less well off require.
Alec Samuels is the Bassett councillor, as in Hannides. People in that ward live in big houses and have lots of money, of course they are going to vote Tory as they don't need the services that the less well off require. Condor Man
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9:56am Thu 17 Sep 09

Lone Ranger says...

Condor Man wrote:
Alec Samuels is the Bassett councillor, as in Hannides. People in that ward live in big houses and have lots of money, of course they are going to vote Tory as they don't need the services that the less well off require.
Well you may not have noticed that Bassett is not just the Avenue.
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In your argument you have conveniently forgot to mention that Bassett ALSO includes the flower road estate plus a couple of other areas that do not have big houses and lots of money.
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Mind you i cant imagine your super heroes messrs Hannides and Samuels ever visit them !!.
--
Like yourself....forget they are there
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Alec Samuels is the Bassett councillor, as in Hannides. People in that ward live in big houses and have lots of money, of course they are going to vote Tory as they don't need the services that the less well off require.[/p][/quote]Well you may not have noticed that Bassett is not just the Avenue. --- In your argument you have conveniently forgot to mention that Bassett ALSO includes the flower road estate plus a couple of other areas that do not have big houses and lots of money. ----- Mind you i cant imagine your super heroes messrs Hannides and Samuels ever visit them !!. -- Like yourself....forget they are there Lone Ranger
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11:32am Thu 17 Sep 09

roybrownartist says...

can we get this away from labour tory point winning please and discuss the fact that it is our citys culture that is under threat here, pluss if it goes ahead here it will happen in other parts of the country
can we get this away from labour tory point winning please and discuss the fact that it is our citys culture that is under threat here, pluss if it goes ahead here it will happen in other parts of the country roybrownartist
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12:31pm Thu 17 Sep 09

Gavin Marsh says...

Well done to everyone who has been involved in the campaign so far. It is inspiring that people have come together to resist these plans and have built a firm foundation to take the campaign forward.
Maybe we ought to consider standing save our collection candidates in the next local elections
Well done to everyone who has been involved in the campaign so far. It is inspiring that people have come together to resist these plans and have built a firm foundation to take the campaign forward. Maybe we ought to consider standing save our collection candidates in the next local elections Gavin Marsh
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12:48pm Thu 17 Sep 09

stuartjebbitt says...

roybrownartist wrote:
can we get this away from labour tory point winning please and discuss the fact that it is our citys culture that is under threat here, pluss if it goes ahead here it will happen in other parts of the country
well said. Tory and Labour are just two cheeks of the same backside.
I wouldn't trust either as far as I could throw them.
[quote][p][bold]roybrownartist[/bold] wrote: can we get this away from labour tory point winning please and discuss the fact that it is our citys culture that is under threat here, pluss if it goes ahead here it will happen in other parts of the country [/p][/quote]well said. Tory and Labour are just two cheeks of the same backside. I wouldn't trust either as far as I could throw them. stuartjebbitt
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12:59pm Thu 17 Sep 09

roybrownartist says...

can we talk about the affect this will have on our citys reputation not about the short sighted nature of the the council, this is of national importance, as someone who showed at burry art gallery as there Lowry was sold by the council i can say it was devistating to that gallerys national and international reputation, not moaning about city politics
can we talk about the affect this will have on our citys reputation not about the short sighted nature of the the council, this is of national importance, as someone who showed at burry art gallery as there Lowry was sold by the council i can say it was devistating to that gallerys national and international reputation, not moaning about city politics roybrownartist
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2:53pm Thu 17 Sep 09

LeTiss Nose says...

Lone Ranger wrote:
Condor Man wrote: Alec Samuels is the Bassett councillor, as in Hannides. People in that ward live in big houses and have lots of money, of course they are going to vote Tory as they don't need the services that the less well off require.
Well you may not have noticed that Bassett is not just the Avenue. --- In your argument you have conveniently forgot to mention that Bassett ALSO includes the flower road estate plus a couple of other areas that do not have big houses and lots of money. ----- Mind you i cant imagine your super heroes messrs Hannides and Samuels ever visit them !!. -- Like yourself....forget they are there
The majority of Flower Roads are in Swaythling.

Anyhow,
Surely there should be some figures to show how many visitors the Art Gallery pulls in each year, because I'm predicting they will be about a tenth of what a waterfront museum could attract.

Any decision that is made is bound to annoy a minority, and let's face it, a 60 strong protest is a minority.

Utilitarianism - the greatest good for the greatest number.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Alec Samuels is the Bassett councillor, as in Hannides. People in that ward live in big houses and have lots of money, of course they are going to vote Tory as they don't need the services that the less well off require.[/p][/quote]Well you may not have noticed that Bassett is not just the Avenue. --- In your argument you have conveniently forgot to mention that Bassett ALSO includes the flower road estate plus a couple of other areas that do not have big houses and lots of money. ----- Mind you i cant imagine your super heroes messrs Hannides and Samuels ever visit them !!. -- Like yourself....forget they are there[/p][/quote]The majority of Flower Roads are in Swaythling. Anyhow, Surely there should be some figures to show how many visitors the Art Gallery pulls in each year, because I'm predicting they will be about a tenth of what a waterfront museum could attract. Any decision that is made is bound to annoy a minority, and let's face it, a 60 strong protest is a minority. Utilitarianism - the greatest good for the greatest number. LeTiss Nose
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2:59pm Thu 17 Sep 09

roybrownartist says...

those 60 people handed in a petiton for over 2400 people as usual the echo pass over facts that dont fit the story like huddling us together for there pictures to make croud seem smaller perhaps
those 60 people handed in a petiton for over 2400 people as usual the echo pass over facts that dont fit the story like huddling us together for there pictures to make croud seem smaller perhaps roybrownartist
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2:59pm Thu 17 Sep 09

southy says...

roybrownartist wrote:
can we talk about the affect this will have on our citys reputation not about the short sighted nature of the the council, this is of national importance, as someone who showed at burry art gallery as there Lowry was sold by the council i can say it was devistating to that gallerys national and international reputation, not moaning about city politics
sorry but it is also politics, and people are right in pointing the short falling off the two main partys, for they do not care enough about the locals, there are one or that do care but they are being shot down by the others, there are counciler's that are thinking of leaving the labour party because of the way they behave now days, they are slowly being push to one side and out of the party.
[quote][p][bold]roybrownartist[/bold] wrote: can we talk about the affect this will have on our citys reputation not about the short sighted nature of the the council, this is of national importance, as someone who showed at burry art gallery as there Lowry was sold by the council i can say it was devistating to that gallerys national and international reputation, not moaning about city politics [/p][/quote]sorry but it is also politics, and people are right in pointing the short falling off the two main partys, for they do not care enough about the locals, there are one or that do care but they are being shot down by the others, there are counciler's that are thinking of leaving the labour party because of the way they behave now days, they are slowly being push to one side and out of the party. southy
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9:46am Fri 18 Sep 09

Pam W says...

They aren't selling the horse painting and the sculpture to pay for the sea museum, they aren't allowed to do that. that's why the council has come up with something that Darren Brown would be proud of to get round the rules. it's about time they came clean before someone exposes them
They aren't selling the horse painting and the sculpture to pay for the sea museum, they aren't allowed to do that. that's why the council has come up with something that Darren Brown would be proud of to get round the rules. it's about time they came clean before someone exposes them Pam W
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