240 historic cases to be re-examined in light of Teresa investigation (From Daily Echo)

Who else is innocent ?......
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More like...who else was deranged enough to confess to a crime that they did not commit

well said, lets not forget the confession that put Sean Hodgeson in the frame.......

Over many years I have always had this awful thought that innocent people may have been imprisoned. Sometimes I fear that the man in the street is not represented by top drawer legal men and often as not I am amazed at how some rich guys 'get off'. So justice is not fair. Having said that I would urge youngsters have a clean slate - often in later years they can be accused of something they did not do. Now DNA is in full force - look out I hope many cannot sleep for fear of being caught. Now its the turn of heinous crimes.

goard

Goard makes a good point on this old chestnut of innocents banged up - or even executed for a crime they did not commit.



The USA has a massive waiting list on Death Row and mostly poor blacks who do not have the privileges of decent legal support.


There have always been miscarriages of justice and our own history of hanging the wrong people is always trotted out by the usual anti capital punishment apologists.

However, we now have very advanced forensic techniques (although not infallible) mixed with CCTV that can often prove a case.


There are always the types that 'confess' to any crime due to mental incapacity or maybe just off their heads on drugs or the debilitating effect on their brain cells.

We have seen corrupt police altering evidence to get a result and please the public or their superiors plus having personal vendettas against well known villains who keep getting away with their antics.


We need a major overhaul of the system and at least many a 'getway' criminal will be having sleepless nights as a result of new/old evidence coming to light. Or the thought of previous family/friends/confi
dantes coming forward with details of hidden crimes.

history is littered with the wrong people being hanged head chop off,
the police in this case failed to noticed that this man was mentally ill. so they was more at fault than any one else, in cases of the worse kind, the evidence all should to an independent body of investigators and gone over with a fine tooth comb, it is not unknown for the police to lie in court or give faults evidence or tamper evidence, just to get a conviction.

It was a nice and easy case to close: someone confessed and the plod could all retire to the pub safe in the knowledge the clear-up rate was met for that week. After all its not about justice, its about the media and their empty-headed customers having their baying for blood sated.

With each new advance in science, so the risk of error is reduced.
There was a time when it was not realised that everyone's fingerprints were different, and when police used that, so suspects could be eliminated.
Blood groups is another example and now DNA has cleared a person who admitted to the crime.
As I am not perfect, and have yet to meet anyone else who is, I cannot expect the Police to get it right every time but, as said, each advance in science helps them to reduce errors.

If a person says that they have never made a mistake, the odds are that they have done nothing!

Linesman wrote:
With each new advance in science, so the risk of error is reduced.
There was a time when it was not realised that everyone's fingerprints were different, and when police used that, so suspects could be eliminated.
Blood groups is another example and now DNA has cleared a person who admitted to the crime.
As I am not perfect, and have yet to meet anyone else who is, I cannot expect the Police to get it right every time but, as said, each advance in science helps them to reduce errors.

If a person says that they have never made a mistake, the odds are that they have done nothing!

My unlucky great grandfather confessed to a murder on his deathbed.


Then got better

southy wrote:
history is littered with the wrong people being hanged head chop off, the police in this case failed to noticed that this man was mentally ill. so they was more at fault than any one else, in cases of the worse kind, the evidence all should to an independent body of investigators and gone over with a fine tooth comb, it is not unknown for the police to lie in court or give faults evidence or tamper evidence, just to get a conviction.

Hanged head chopped off???? How highly original coming from you.

Bartonian wrote:

southy wrote:
history is littered with the wrong people being hanged head chop off, the police in this case failed to noticed that this man was mentally ill. so they was more at fault than any one else, in cases of the worse kind, the evidence all should to an independent body of investigators and gone over with a fine tooth comb, it is not unknown for the police to lie in court or give faults evidence or tamper evidence, just to get a conviction.

Hanged head chopped off???? How highly original coming from you.

Stalin knew how to treat 'criminals' in Russia........ he had literally millions of them killed and ended up as one of the biggest mass murderers the world has ever known.

Bartonian wrote:

southy wrote:
history is littered with the wrong people being hanged head chop off, the police in this case failed to noticed that this man was mentally ill. so they was more at fault than any one else, in cases of the worse kind, the evidence all should to an independent body of investigators and gone over with a fine tooth comb, it is not unknown for the police to lie in court or give faults evidence or tamper evidence, just to get a conviction.

Hanged head chopped off???? How highly original coming from you.

to point is that it has happen the wrong people getting executed for crimes that they never committed, history is littered with them.
thats why i said maybe there should be an independent body of investigators to go though it all, just in case.

southy wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

southy wrote: history is littered with the wrong people being hanged head chop off, the police in this case failed to noticed that this man was mentally ill. so they was more at fault than any one else, in cases of the worse kind, the evidence all should to an independent body of investigators and gone over with a fine tooth comb, it is not unknown for the police to lie in court or give faults evidence or tamper evidence, just to get a conviction.

Hanged head chopped off???? How highly original coming from you.

to point is that it has happen the wrong people getting executed for crimes that they never committed, history is littered with them. thats why i said maybe there should be an independent body of investigators to go though it all, just in case.

...and who might these people be? Former bobbies? Bet they won't come cheap either.

southy wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

southy wrote: history is littered with the wrong people being hanged head chop off, the police in this case failed to noticed that this man was mentally ill. so they was more at fault than any one else, in cases of the worse kind, the evidence all should to an independent body of investigators and gone over with a fine tooth comb, it is not unknown for the police to lie in court or give faults evidence or tamper evidence, just to get a conviction.

Hanged head chopped off???? How highly original coming from you.

to point is that it has happen the wrong people getting executed for crimes that they never committed, history is littered with them. thats why i said maybe there should be an independent body of investigators to go though it all, just in case.

And what are you going to call this investigation team...let me guess.....QUANGOS...
.yes the very ones you want to abolish !!

The real crime is Southy's contributions. Even after deciphering the content, they still make no sense.

If people accused of committing a crime need to be 'proven' guilty, how can there be any miscarriages of justice? I rather think it shows that people are convicted without any proof being provided. Surely motive is not proof, nor is circumstantial evidence, yet these things are regularly used to obtain convictions.
It appears to me that in many cases juries are shown no proof of guilt but simply asked to decide who they believe. May as well just toss a coin and save time and cost!

KCAJRETSOF wrote:
If people accused of committing a crime need to be 'proven' guilty, how can there be any miscarriages of justice? I rather think it shows that people are convicted without any proof being provided. Surely motive is not proof, nor is circumstantial evidence, yet these things are regularly used to obtain convictions.
It appears to me that in many cases juries are shown no proof of guilt but simply asked to decide who they believe. May as well just toss a coin and save time and cost!

nicely said, unlike some of those that posted on here.
like in this case they avoided the fact that this guy could of been mentally ill, they dont like flaws pointed out to them with in the system,

Welease Woderwick!

southy wrote:
history is littered with the wrong people being hanged head chop off, the police in this case failed to noticed that this man was mentally ill. so they was more at fault than any one else, in cases of the worse kind, the evidence all should to an independent body of investigators and gone over with a fine tooth comb, it is not unknown for the police to lie in court or give faults evidence or tamper evidence, just to get a conviction.

And if we had a Socialist government blah, blah, blah, blah.

Bill-B wrote:

southy wrote:
history is littered with the wrong people being hanged head chop off, the police in this case failed to noticed that this man was mentally ill. so they was more at fault than any one else, in cases of the worse kind, the evidence all should to an independent body of investigators and gone over with a fine tooth comb, it is not unknown for the police to lie in court or give faults evidence or tamper evidence, just to get a conviction.

And if we had a Socialist government blah, blah, blah, blah.

well the crime rate has all ways be lower under a socialist government, but crimes of this nature are bad, and more needs to be done to get the right person. and a group going over the case after a court verdict would help to sort out if there was a case in the first place.

"history is littered with the wrong people being hanged head chop off."

"well the crime rate has all ways be lower under a socialist government,"

Southy can you give the evidence for these claims or do you also ageee that Swan fly upside down on Fridays!

You can make comments on this site and I enjoy reading them but can you always provide the source for your information.

IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE to say go to the library or do your own research we need to know how you have come to your conclusion, or will you just accept my claim for the upside down swans??


As for the actual story they have identified 240 cases where there is a possibilty of a miscarriage. Of those they will review them to see if there is a posssibilty and then only if there is a posibilty that the dna evidence will change the conviction safety willl they retest. so in answer thae Echo is once again trying to stir up worry concern and false hope.

This started off as a "serious' item but by the end of the comments I was LMAO..