2,200 TV licence dodgers caught in Southampton (From Daily Echo)

The usual error by omission: you need a licence to watch or record LIVE AS IT IS BEING BROADCAST.


Those are their rules anyway - how legally enforceable they are depends on how much you co-operate with the process.

I pay because the BBC make world class programming (alongside some dross).

As an aside, I wonder if there is a payment made running these news releases which I assume are written by the privately run licence collection company. Implied threat mixed with selective information. Nice to see the 'detector vans' line being wheeled out too!

cant the BBC stop the money out of the benefits at source ??????????/

Just stop the fee out of their benefits. simples.

Scrap the licence fee and the BBC. Privatise it. just like ITV.

Better programmes and no scandals about our money...

townieboy wrote:
Just stop the fee out of their benefits. simples.

haha

Yeah great tv (not),homes under the hammer, cowboy builders and my favourite south coast football programme Shttp://linksave.in/
164079773950d6d91824
a61AINTS & SCROUNGERS

It is surprising to discover that sometimes the licence dodgers have sky tv subs that cost a lot more than the licence fee.

Take their TV's away, these council house ****'s need to be hit where it hurts.

10 Minute Man wrote:
The usual error by omission: you need a licence to watch or record LIVE AS IT IS BEING BROADCAST.


Those are their rules anyway - how legally enforceable they are depends on how much you co-operate with the process.

I pay because the BBC make world class programming (alongside some dross).

As an aside, I wonder if there is a payment made running these news releases which I assume are written by the privately run licence collection company. Implied threat mixed with selective information. Nice to see the 'detector vans' line being wheeled out too!

Was going to say live broadcast, also when it comes to computors the pc must have a TV card fitted and plugs in for use, computors that do not have the TV card fitted nothing they can do about it, they come under the EU ruling.

The courts may be allowed to impose a fine of £1000 but the last time I checked they never do; usually the fine, when they actually do impose one, is less than the licence fee!!.

southy wrote:

10 Minute Man wrote:
The usual error by omission: you need a licence to watch or record LIVE AS IT IS BEING BROADCAST.


Those are their rules anyway - how legally enforceable they are depends on how much you co-operate with the process.

I pay because the BBC make world class programming (alongside some dross).

As an aside, I wonder if there is a payment made running these news releases which I assume are written by the privately run licence collection company. Implied threat mixed with selective information. Nice to see the 'detector vans' line being wheeled out too!

Was going to say live broadcast, also when it comes to computors the pc must have a TV card fitted and plugs in for use, computors that do not have the TV card fitted nothing they can do about it, they come under the EU ruling.

If you watch live TV streamed from the Internet using a computer then you still need a licence as you are watching live TV.

sotonwinch09 wrote:

southy wrote:

10 Minute Man wrote:
The usual error by omission: you need a licence to watch or record LIVE AS IT IS BEING BROADCAST.


Those are their rules anyway - how legally enforceable they are depends on how much you co-operate with the process.

I pay because the BBC make world class programming (alongside some dross).

As an aside, I wonder if there is a payment made running these news releases which I assume are written by the privately run licence collection company. Implied threat mixed with selective information. Nice to see the 'detector vans' line being wheeled out too!

Was going to say live broadcast, also when it comes to computors the pc must have a TV card fitted and plugs in for use, computors that do not have the TV card fitted nothing they can do about it, they come under the EU ruling.

If you watch live TV streamed from the Internet using a computer then you still need a licence as you are watching live TV.

The Pc must have a TV reciever card fitted to comply with UK law, with out one it comes under EU law.

Some funny comments about taking it from benefits and council house tenants, yes some might be on benefits and some might also live in council housing but i think people would get a shock if they new the truth. Just like VED and car insurance some of those that decline to pay are in work and earning good money, and this attitude some people have towards people on benefit and those that live in council houses is very wrong, not everybody on benefits are scrounging scum and what difference their landlord makes i don't know are you suggesting that somebody who rents privately are a better class of person or if you are fortunate enough to be buying or already own your own house you are one of the elite. Peoples circumstances change and you could find yourselves on benefit or indeed in need of council housing one day.

ohec wrote:
Some funny comments about taking it from benefits and council house tenants, yes some might be on benefits and some might also live in council housing but i think people would get a shock if they new the truth. Just like VED and car insurance some of those that decline to pay are in work and earning good money, and this attitude some people have towards people on benefit and those that live in council houses is very wrong, not everybody on benefits are scrounging scum and what difference their landlord makes i don't know are you suggesting that somebody who rents privately are a better class of person or if you are fortunate enough to be buying or already own your own house you are one of the elite. Peoples circumstances change and you could find yourselves on benefit or indeed in need of council housing one day.

What they said!

Finally, some of the right people have been caught... now TV Licensing can stop sending me accusing letters, despite the fact that I've called to confirm TWICE that I watch no live TV/live online streaming!

Does that detector do anything ? or do they asume that every household has a TV so you should have a licence, as i can understand that the old detector could pick up the high voltage produced for the cathode ray tube but the new flat screens have no such emissions and can they really detect you if you are streaming TV via your computer ?

There is always the other way of doing it buy a cheaper B&W license then they will leave you alone, like in the story the echo ran a couple of month ago stating how many B&W TV were in southampton !! Really

wossit wrote:
Does that detector do anything ? or do they asume that every household has a TV so you should have a licence, as i can understand that the old detector could pick up the high voltage produced for the cathode ray tube but the new flat screens have no such emissions and can they really detect you if you are streaming TV via your computer ?

How they know is though paper work, you buy a TV from a shop or trader of some sort, and you will fill out a form that will give you as the buyer of that TV.
Its like a registered keeper.
TV detector vans have never been able to detect you its just a scare tactic.
But now days if your on cable its a lot easier for them, they can pick up the magneted field around the cable, and can find you after your cable has split away from line away from other cable lines, but they will not use this system to much bother, its still done by paper work

**** Pete wrote:
Scrap the licence fee and the BBC. Privatise it. just like ITV.

Better programmes and no scandals about our money...

Better programs?! If you like lowest common denominator trash! I haven't watched anything on ITV since I was about 12.

What if you buy a 2nd hand tv from the bloke down the pub ?

kingnotail wrote:

**** Pete wrote:
Scrap the licence fee and the BBC. Privatise it. just like ITV.

Better programmes and no scandals about our money...

Better programs?! If you like lowest common denominator trash! I haven't watched anything on ITV since I was about 12.

The only thing worth my time to watch are Documentrys, nature and debates.

southy wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

**** Pete wrote:
Scrap the licence fee and the BBC. Privatise it. just like ITV.

Better programmes and no scandals about our money...

Better programs?! If you like lowest common denominator trash! I haven't watched anything on ITV since I was about 12.

The only thing worth my time to watch are Documentrys, nature and debates.

You should try watching some of the kids learning programs, you might learn some basic spelling.
They don't pay for water or TV license and it costs more to collect than they lose, that's why it keeps going up for those that pay,it should be instant prison then it would stop once and for all.

This is from last month's Echo:
http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/10142716
.Hundreds_dodging_TV
_licence_fee/
Pathetic.

No one has ever been prosecuted with a van. they just presume and bluff you. I guess all the immigrants dont know or just choose to ignore the fee.lol.

I wish the BBC would refund me the part of my tv licence fee that went towards making Mrs Browns Boys.

"A colour TV licence is required by anyone watching or recording TV programmes, whether they are using a TV set, a computer, or any other equipment.".

WRONG. You do NOT need a TV license if you are streaming digital content and not receiving directly from the DTV network. That's what TVCatchup is there for, all the digital channels, live, 24 hours a day with no restrictions. If you have broadband you do NOT need a TV license, and TV Licensing don't have a leg to stand on!!

chrisja wrote:
"A colour TV licence is required by anyone watching or recording TV programmes, whether they are using a TV set, a computer, or any other equipment.".

WRONG. You do NOT need a TV license if you are streaming digital content and not receiving directly from the DTV network. That's what TVCatchup is there for, all the digital channels, live, 24 hours a day with no restrictions. If you have broadband you do NOT need a TV license, and TV Licensing don't have a leg to stand on!!

Who seriously uses TV Catch up as their main TV viewing? lol

chrisja wrote:
"A colour TV licence is required by anyone watching or recording TV programmes, whether they are using a TV set, a computer, or any other equipment.".

WRONG. You do NOT need a TV license if you are streaming digital content and not receiving directly from the DTV network. That's what TVCatchup is there for, all the digital channels, live, 24 hours a day with no restrictions. If you have broadband you do NOT need a TV license, and TV Licensing don't have a leg to stand on!!

And you are wrong. If you are watching at the same time as they are being broadcast you DO need a licence. Read up on it!

How do you define 'LIVE'? I have watched F1 on Sky and changed over to BBC1 momentarily and BBC is about 40 seconds ahead so Sky, isn't live tv!! And as far as the detector vans go they are empty and always have been! No such thing, nadda! The TV Licencing k/nobs work off addresses registered or, not.
They are Capita employees with NO legal powers what so ever. If you invite them in that's a different matter but they have NO right to search your home for 'receiving equipment'. I have a mobile phone that can pick up TV but it's not connected although I have wi-fi. Is that illegal? NO.

I have no problem paying the fee. The BBC is probably the best broadcaster in the world. You'd be surprised at the amount of BBC programming finds it's way into other country's schedules.
Daytime TV on any channel is crap. Loose Women - need I say more. Regarding TV detector vans, they did work with cathode ray tubes. It would give them an indication that a tube was on in a particular house but that was never proof in its own right. I don't suppose they can detect these new TV panels.

the BBC have no jurisdiction or power over sending their minions to your home & try to harass people by threats or telling lies to people such as " THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHTS TO ENTER YOUR HOME" they have no rights to enter your home, plus what these BBC rep bullies are really doing is TRYING TO OBTAIN MONIES THROUGH MENACING / HARASSMENT= TOTALLY ILLEGAL, think of this ,,, if a police officer wanted to enter your home & you refuse what does the police officer do ? YES HE APPLIES FOR A WARRANT TO ENTER YOUR HOME , thats the law,, the bbc bullies HAVE NO RIGHTS TO PUT FOOT IN YOUR HOME & YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO REFUSE TO ANSWER ANY OF THEIR QUESTIONS , you are not obliged by law to answer a single question ,, just google DONT PAY YOUR TV LICENCE , see how people are waking up to this scam thats been run for decades in this country,, please remember that the licence fee also funds paedophiles(jimmy savile & his ascociates at the BBC) dont take my word for it , just spend a few minues doing your own research , just watch the amount of people challenging the tv licencing man & you'll see how the bbc are POWERLESS & acting ILLEGALLY,,

wake up wrote:
the BBC have no jurisdiction or power over sending their minions to your home & try to harass people by threats or telling lies to people such as " THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHTS TO ENTER YOUR HOME" they have no rights to enter your home, plus what these BBC rep bullies are really doing is TRYING TO OBTAIN MONIES THROUGH MENACING / HARASSMENT= TOTALLY ILLEGAL, think of this ,,, if a police officer wanted to enter your home & you refuse what does the police officer do ? YES HE APPLIES FOR A WARRANT TO ENTER YOUR HOME , thats the law,, the bbc bullies HAVE NO RIGHTS TO PUT FOOT IN YOUR HOME & YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO REFUSE TO ANSWER ANY OF THEIR QUESTIONS , you are not obliged by law to answer a single question ,, just google DONT PAY YOUR TV LICENCE , see how people are waking up to this scam thats been run for decades in this country,, please remember that the licence fee also funds paedophiles(jimmy savile & his ascociates at the BBC) dont take my word for it , just spend a few minues doing your own research , just watch the amount of people challenging the tv licencing man & you'll see how the bbc are POWERLESS & acting ILLEGALLY,,

Yet all those found out are taken to court and prosecuted,are you suggesting that the Justice System is in on it as well?

Wow this could be very big,I'll watch with baited breath,and eventually make a claim for all the years I have paid the fee......could be bigger than PPI reclaim!!!

wake up wrote:
the BBC have no jurisdiction or power over sending their minions to your home & try to harass people by threats or telling lies to people such as " THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHTS TO ENTER YOUR HOME" they have no rights to enter your home, plus what these BBC rep bullies are really doing is TRYING TO OBTAIN MONIES THROUGH MENACING / HARASSMENT= TOTALLY ILLEGAL, think of this ,,, if a police officer wanted to enter your home & you refuse what does the police officer do ? YES HE APPLIES FOR A WARRANT TO ENTER YOUR HOME , thats the law,, the bbc bullies HAVE NO RIGHTS TO PUT FOOT IN YOUR HOME & YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO REFUSE TO ANSWER ANY OF THEIR QUESTIONS , you are not obliged by law to answer a single question ,, just google DONT PAY YOUR TV LICENCE , see how people are waking up to this scam thats been run for decades in this country,, please remember that the licence fee also funds paedophiles(jimmy savile & his ascociates at the BBC) dont take my word for it , just spend a few minues doing your own research , just watch the amount of people challenging the tv licencing man & you'll see how the bbc are POWERLESS & acting ILLEGALLY,,

Dead right mate.
And to 100%HANTSBOY. The only reason these people have been fined is because they don't know the law and let these morons in to their home. Once you invite them in they have the right to challenge you for a physical licence. Simple answer: don't let them in, don't even answer the door. All 'wake up' says is true. Look it up.

miltonarcher wrote:
Take their TV's away, these council house ****'s need to be hit where it hurts.

You sound a right T@AT

100%HANTSBOY wrote:

wake up wrote:
the BBC have no jurisdiction or power over sending their minions to your home & try to harass people by threats or telling lies to people such as " THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHTS TO ENTER YOUR HOME" they have no rights to enter your home, plus what these BBC rep bullies are really doing is TRYING TO OBTAIN MONIES THROUGH MENACING / HARASSMENT= TOTALLY ILLEGAL, think of this ,,, if a police officer wanted to enter your home & you refuse what does the police officer do ? YES HE APPLIES FOR A WARRANT TO ENTER YOUR HOME , thats the law,, the bbc bullies HAVE NO RIGHTS TO PUT FOOT IN YOUR HOME & YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO REFUSE TO ANSWER ANY OF THEIR QUESTIONS , you are not obliged by law to answer a single question ,, just google DONT PAY YOUR TV LICENCE , see how people are waking up to this scam thats been run for decades in this country,, please remember that the licence fee also funds paedophiles(jimmy savile & his ascociates at the BBC) dont take my word for it , just spend a few minues doing your own research , just watch the amount of people challenging the tv licencing man & you'll see how the bbc are POWERLESS & acting ILLEGALLY,,

Yet all those found out are taken to court and prosecuted,are you suggesting that the Justice System is in on it as well?

Wow this could be very big,I'll watch with baited breath,and eventually make a claim for all the years I have paid the fee......could be bigger than PPI reclaim!!!

I suggest you google Michael Shakespeare, Riki Thursfield, Steve Heather, and Shabaz Saied amonst others.

FYI:

http://www.fishburn-
hedges.com/about-us/
people/victoria-syke
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http://www.thebolton
news.co.uk/news/1023
8958.Nearly_2_000_vi
ewers_are_caught_wat
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icence/?ref=mc

http://www.examiner.
co.uk/news/local-wes
t-yorkshire-news/201
3/02/22/1400-caught-
without-tv-licence-i
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Hieronymous2 wrote:

100%HANTSBOY wrote:

wake up wrote: the BBC have no jurisdiction or power over sending their minions to your home & try to harass people by threats or telling lies to people such as " THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHTS TO ENTER YOUR HOME" they have no rights to enter your home, plus what these BBC rep bullies are really doing is TRYING TO OBTAIN MONIES THROUGH MENACING / HARASSMENT= TOTALLY ILLEGAL, think of this ,,, if a police officer wanted to enter your home & you refuse what does the police officer do ? YES HE APPLIES FOR A WARRANT TO ENTER YOUR HOME , thats the law,, the bbc bullies HAVE NO RIGHTS TO PUT FOOT IN YOUR HOME & YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO REFUSE TO ANSWER ANY OF THEIR QUESTIONS , you are not obliged by law to answer a single question ,, just google DONT PAY YOUR TV LICENCE , see how people are waking up to this scam thats been run for decades in this country,, please remember that the licence fee also funds paedophiles(jimmy savile & his ascociates at the BBC) dont take my word for it , just spend a few minues doing your own research , just watch the amount of people challenging the tv licencing man & you'll see how the bbc are POWERLESS & acting ILLEGALLY,,

Yet all those found out are taken to court and prosecuted,are you suggesting that the Justice System is in on it as well? Wow this could be very big,I'll watch with baited breath,and eventually make a claim for all the years I have paid the fee......could be bigger than PPI reclaim!!!

I suggest you google Michael Shakespeare, Riki Thursfield, Steve Heather, and Shabaz Saied amonst others. FYI: http://www.fishburn- hedges.com/about-us/ people/victoria-syke s http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1023 8958.Nearly_2_000_vi ewers_are_caught_wat ching_TV_without_a_l icence/?ref=mc http://www.examiner. co.uk/news/local-wes t-yorkshire-news/201 3/02/22/1400-caught- without-tv-licence-i n-huddersfield-86081 -32857102/#sitelife- commentsWidget-botto m

Not quite sure what point you are trying to put across as you have a mixed bag of articles coupled with names of people who have been wronged by the TV licence collectors
One of the people you have listed Michael Shakespeare who said he spent a year and cost him £18,000 to get an expert to help him win a case, is currently (at the time of story) for £3.000 compensation. Much as I am a pricipled person this has cost him £15.000, whereas the licence costs only £145, I say Michael more fool you

*waiting for *Principled DOH!

stop the licence fee altogether , there's more pp on the bbc than there is ads on the independent channels, make the bbc work for a living.

You are all being conned, this isn't news its an advert by the BBC.

They pay Public Relation firms to create this PR to intimidate the public into funding them, its that simple.

Victoria Sykes who claims to work for BBC TV Licensing works for Fishburn Hedges as **** says.

http://www.linkedin.
com/pub/victoria-syk
es/16/22b/18

The media are supposed to have a disclaimer saying this is an advert but instead the BBC like people to think these are genuine articles

Here look for yourself, they expect you to be dumb for falling for it

http://www.bing.com/
search?setmkt=en-GB&
q=victoria+sykes+tv+
licensing

Sao Paulo wrote:
You are all being conned, this isn't news its an advert by the BBC. They pay Public Relation firms to create this PR to intimidate the public into funding them, its that simple. Victoria Sykes who claims to work for BBC TV Licensing works for Fishburn Hedges as **** says. http://www.linkedin. com/pub/victoria-syk es/16/22b/18 The media are supposed to have a disclaimer saying this is an advert but instead the BBC like people to think these are genuine articles Here look for yourself, they expect you to be dumb for falling for it http://www.bing.com/ search?setmkt=en-GB&
amp; q=victoria+sykes+tv+ licensing

Are you paranoid or just tight fisted or both?