Paedophile who abused orphans in India is flown back to UK (From Daily Echo)
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Paedophile who abused orphans in India is flown back to UK
9:48am Wednesday 20th June 2012 in Fareham
Allan Waters
A HAMPSHIRE paedophile who abused homeless boys in a Mumbai orphanage is back in the UK.
Allan Waters, 63, a retired Naval officer from Portchester, was deported after serving a six-year jail term in India.
He was met a Heathrow by police from Scotland Yard and made to sign the sex offenders register.
Waters, a highly respected Lieutenant Commander formerly of Cador Drive, was found guilty in 2006 of carrying out child abuse at the Anchorage shelter in Mumbai.
He was freed in 2008 by judges at the Indian High Court, who cited “lack of evidence provided by the prosecution’’.
But that decision was quashed by the country’s Supreme Court, which ordered Waters to serve the rest of his six-year jail term and pay damages and fines imposed.
Waters was arrested at New York’s John F Kennedy International Airport in 2003 on the basis of an Interpol arrest warrant and was extradited to face charges in India following a complaint from a 15-year-old boy about repeated sexual and physical abuse.
Four other boys also made similar complaints.
Comments(49)
Goldenwight
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10:11am Wed 20 Jun 12
Smartiepants wrote:A UK citizen- apparently of some repute, not everyone gets to be a two and a half ringer- who has committed no crime in this country of which we are made aware. And if you believe that the UK authorities actually keep an eye on prior sex offenders, you are sadly misguided.
Another scumbag in the UK. Pity they don't have lethal injection over there or over here then they wouldn't pose a problem for anyone and the taxpayer wouldn't have to keep a permanent eye on them. What a waste of a skin.
Reading some of the comments I see here makes me sad that we don't have compulsory abortion, never mind lethal injection.
The Salv
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10:51am Wed 20 Jun 12
Georgem
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11:16am Wed 20 Jun 12
The Salv wrote:Probably because we want to see justice being done, and don't trust that the average petty criminal we deport will actually serve any sentence in their own country. Which is a fair assumption. I can't see, for example, the Polish courts caring too much about a telly that was nicked in Britain.
Why is it we have to take our criminals back but the majority of the time we have issues deporting foreign criminals here?
Double-edged sword, isn't it? We demand justice, but that justice costs. Would you rather the crim got off scot-free, but stopped costing the UK taxpayer, or that he got his just desserts, at our expense? Given that him getting his just desserts at someone else's expense is probably off the table.
Verloren Hoop
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12:27pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Taskforce 141
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12:28pm Wed 20 Jun 12
The only answer to such vile criminals
The Salv
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12:31pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Georgem wrote:Being deported from "the land of gold" (as it is known to most immigrants) is surely punishment enough!
The Salv wrote: Why is it we have to take our criminals back but the majority of the time we have issues deporting foreign criminals here?Probably because we want to see justice being done, and don't trust that the average petty criminal we deport will actually serve any sentence in their own country. Which is a fair assumption. I can't see, for example, the Polish courts caring too much about a telly that was nicked in Britain. Double-edged sword, isn't it? We demand justice, but that justice costs. Would you rather the crim got off scot-free, but stopped costing the UK taxpayer, or that he got his just desserts, at our expense? Given that him getting his just desserts at someone else's expense is probably off the table.
louise123
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12:32pm Wed 20 Jun 12
cliffwalker
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12:58pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Goldenwight wrote:Placet
Smartiepants wrote:A UK citizen- apparently of some repute, not everyone gets to be a two and a half ringer- who has committed no crime in this country of which we are made aware. And if you believe that the UK authorities actually keep an eye on prior sex offenders, you are sadly misguided.
Another scumbag in the UK. Pity they don't have lethal injection over there or over here then they wouldn't pose a problem for anyone and the taxpayer wouldn't have to keep a permanent eye on them. What a waste of a skin.
Reading some of the comments I see here makes me sad that we don't have compulsory abortion, never mind lethal injection.
Dresnez
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1:24pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Some crimes are demonised more than others.
For instance domestic violence. Most murders are done by members of the victims family.
Look at the vigilantes in Londonderry in Ireland folks - We do not want vigilante justice or their version of it and those that subscribe to vigilante justice are no better than their victims.
Still the vigilantes will know who he is now, so our police will have to waste time protecting him.
Georgem
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1:27pm Wed 20 Jun 12
The Salv wrote:Lol naturally!
Georgem wrote:Being deported from "the land of gold" (as it is known to most immigrants) is surely punishment enough!
The Salv wrote: Why is it we have to take our criminals back but the majority of the time we have issues deporting foreign criminals here?Probably because we want to see justice being done, and don't trust that the average petty criminal we deport will actually serve any sentence in their own country. Which is a fair assumption. I can't see, for example, the Polish courts caring too much about a telly that was nicked in Britain. Double-edged sword, isn't it? We demand justice, but that justice costs. Would you rather the crim got off scot-free, but stopped costing the UK taxpayer, or that he got his just desserts, at our expense? Given that him getting his just desserts at someone else's expense is probably off the table.
Dresnez
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1:34pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Well done Daily Echo. (Not condoning what he has done but do object to newspapers who think they need to whip up public opinion for their kind of justice.) Justice is for the judiciary and government is for elected politicians not newspaper editors.
Georgem
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1:54pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Dresnez wrote:Quite. He's not even a paedophile, but journalists know that the word induces rage. The guy's a scumbag who took advantage of homeless boys, no doubt about it. But he's not some baby rapist.
Further to my earlier note, he may as well re-offend now as he will be safer in prison.
Well done Daily Echo. (Not condoning what he has done but do object to newspapers who think they need to whip up public opinion for their kind of justice.) Justice is for the judiciary and government is for elected politicians not newspaper editors.
ohec
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1:56pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Dresnez wrote:Thank you Echo for printing this story and printing the photo, every decent law abiding citizen has the right to be made aware of these scumbags, the only part of this story that i think is sad is the fact that he has brought shame not only upon himself but to some extent the Royal Navy. As for those people that appear to be defending him you are just as bad,all these scumbags should be branded as unclean across their forehead and castrated.
Further to my earlier note, he may as well re-offend now as he will be safer in prison.
Well done Daily Echo. (Not condoning what he has done but do object to newspapers who think they need to whip up public opinion for their kind of justice.) Justice is for the judiciary and government is for elected politicians not newspaper editors.
freemantlegirl2
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2:16pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Georgem wrote:So taking advantage and paedophilia are two different things then!!
Dresnez wrote:Quite. He's not even a paedophile, but journalists know that the word induces rage. The guy's a scumbag who took advantage of homeless boys, no doubt about it. But he's not some baby rapist.
Further to my earlier note, he may as well re-offend now as he will be safer in prison.
Well done Daily Echo. (Not condoning what he has done but do object to newspapers who think they need to whip up public opinion for their kind of justice.) Justice is for the judiciary and government is for elected politicians not newspaper editors.
What a ridiculous inane comment!
Folkestone Saint
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2:26pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Dresnez wrote:Are you a complete moron, these children have to live with the fact a trusted person who should have been helping them helped themself, causing damage to the anus and maybe internal organs plus the mind, who could these children turn to and how many others has he raped we will never know, I hope he die's a horrible death.
Why is this news? He has served his time and is now on the sex offenders register, the prescribed punishment. Now he has been named and shamed and his photograph published to boot. His crime was heinous, however no one as far as I can tell no one has been murdered or maimed for life physically, except emotionally maybe. Punishment to fit the crime, justice has been done. It will never satisfy the vigilantes of course, nothing ever does.
Some crimes are demonised more than others.
For instance domestic violence. Most murders are done by members of the victims family.
Look at the vigilantes in Londonderry in Ireland folks - We do not want vigilante justice or their version of it and those that subscribe to vigilante justice are no better than their victims.
Still the vigilantes will know who he is now, so our police will have to waste time protecting him.
Dresnez
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2:48pm Wed 20 Jun 12
ohec wrote:Yup and wife-beaters should also have it tattooed on their forehead etc. So ladies know not to get involved with them.
Dresnez wrote:Thank you Echo for printing this story and printing the photo, every decent law abiding citizen has the right to be made aware of these scumbags, the only part of this story that i think is sad is the fact that he has brought shame not only upon himself but to some extent the Royal Navy. As for those people that appear to be defending him you are just as bad,all these scumbags should be branded as unclean across their forehead and castrated.
Further to my earlier note, he may as well re-offend now as he will be safer in prison.
Well done Daily Echo. (Not condoning what he has done but do object to newspapers who think they need to whip up public opinion for their kind of justice.) Justice is for the judiciary and government is for elected politicians not newspaper editors.
Sure and we should go back to burning witches at the stake.
NOT defending him - just think the justice systems have to be trusted to know what is best and he has served his time and importantly is on the sex-offenders register.
His crime is vile but he served 6 yrs in prison for which he deserved. This will haunt him for the rest of his days I am sure. As a Lt Cdr he would have been expected to lay down his life for his country and no doubt would have done so. He is also sexually deviant so is on the sex offenders register.
Your viewpoint is rather extreme and extremists have never produced much of value ie your comments below:
"As for those people that appear to be defending him you are just as bad,all these scumbags should be branded as unclean across their forehead and castrated."
Not sure the outcome you want, but you can see why the police will now have to protect him, instead of hunting down criminals at large who have not been caught and continuing to offend.
Georgem
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3:26pm Wed 20 Jun 12
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Well, aren't they? Do you know what the word 'paedophile' means?
Georgem wrote:So taking advantage and paedophilia are two different things then!!
Dresnez wrote:Quite. He's not even a paedophile, but journalists know that the word induces rage. The guy's a scumbag who took advantage of homeless boys, no doubt about it. But he's not some baby rapist.
Further to my earlier note, he may as well re-offend now as he will be safer in prison.
Well done Daily Echo. (Not condoning what he has done but do object to newspapers who think they need to whip up public opinion for their kind of justice.) Justice is for the judiciary and government is for elected politicians not newspaper editors.
What a ridiculous inane comment!
Georgem
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3:32pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Folkestone Saint wrote:How do you know there was anal and internal damage? Just curious, because the article doesn't give any detail on the nature of the abuse.
Dresnez wrote:Are you a complete moron, these children have to live with the fact a trusted person who should have been helping them helped themself, causing damage to the anus and maybe internal organs plus the mind, who could these children turn to and how many others has he raped we will never know, I hope he die's a horrible death.
Why is this news? He has served his time and is now on the sex offenders register, the prescribed punishment. Now he has been named and shamed and his photograph published to boot. His crime was heinous, however no one as far as I can tell no one has been murdered or maimed for life physically, except emotionally maybe. Punishment to fit the crime, justice has been done. It will never satisfy the vigilantes of course, nothing ever does.
Some crimes are demonised more than others.
For instance domestic violence. Most murders are done by members of the victims family.
Look at the vigilantes in Londonderry in Ireland folks - We do not want vigilante justice or their version of it and those that subscribe to vigilante justice are no better than their victims.
Still the vigilantes will know who he is now, so our police will have to waste time protecting him.
opera phantom
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3:44pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Dresnez wrote:Yeh. And their justice is wetter than rain. Why shouldn't he be named and shamed? Filthy swine.
Further to my earlier note, he may as well re-offend now as he will be safer in prison.
Well done Daily Echo. (Not condoning what he has done but do object to newspapers who think they need to whip up public opinion for their kind of justice.) Justice is for the judiciary and government is for elected politicians not newspaper editors.
If they can't keep paedophiles locked up for ever then castrate the scum. This country has had enough of woolly liberal do gooders.
Dresnez
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3:50pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Folkestone Saint wrote:Agree vile crimes and abuse of trust and it would serve him right if he died of aids.
Dresnez wrote:Are you a complete moron, these children have to live with the fact a trusted person who should have been helping them helped themself, causing damage to the anus and maybe internal organs plus the mind, who could these children turn to and how many others has he raped we will never know, I hope he die's a horrible death.
Why is this news? He has served his time and is now on the sex offenders register, the prescribed punishment. Now he has been named and shamed and his photograph published to boot. His crime was heinous, however no one as far as I can tell no one has been murdered or maimed for life physically, except emotionally maybe. Punishment to fit the crime, justice has been done. It will never satisfy the vigilantes of course, nothing ever does.
Some crimes are demonised more than others.
For instance domestic violence. Most murders are done by members of the victims family.
Look at the vigilantes in Londonderry in Ireland folks - We do not want vigilante justice or their version of it and those that subscribe to vigilante justice are no better than their victims.
Still the vigilantes will know who he is now, so our police will have to waste time protecting him.
However he has done his time and as he is on the sex offenders register he will not be able to work with vulnerable people again.
I do not genuinely think the public at large is at risk from a known offender unless the offender want to return to prison for a very long time.
Vigilantes are not my favourite people either. They see themselves as right and insist their brand of justice is the right one.
Homosexuality used to be a crime and no longer is. Vigilantes of that time would have also said the same of them.
I just think we should leave it to the justice system. No one is suggesting he got off with a lenient sentence so I don't see the point of the article or how it benefits/protects anyone, but can see it will not be helpful if the police have to waste time protecting him and if he is unable to live in freedom to pursue his living then the taxpayer will keep him.
He is old enough to have known better and I am sure he will be an outcast amongst his own.
OSPREYSAINT
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3:52pm Wed 20 Jun 12
The Salv
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3:58pm Wed 20 Jun 12
freemantlegirl2 wrote:Oh dear FMG2. Once again you go down the route of Abusive ad hominem, insulting or belittling one's opponent in order to attack his claim or invalidate his argument. This is logically fallacious because it relates to the opponent's personal character, which has nothing to do with the logical merit of the opponent's argument. FMG2 in a nutshell.
Georgem wrote:So taking advantage and paedophilia are two different things then!! What a ridiculous inane comment!Dresnez wrote: Further to my earlier note, he may as well re-offend now as he will be safer in prison. Well done Daily Echo. (Not condoning what he has done but do object to newspapers who think they need to whip up public opinion for their kind of justice.) Justice is for the judiciary and government is for elected politicians not newspaper editors.Quite. He's not even a paedophile, but journalists know that the word induces rage. The guy's a scumbag who took advantage of homeless boys, no doubt about it. But he's not some baby rapist.
Georgem
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4:05pm Wed 20 Jun 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:So ignorant that they thought paedophiles would openly brag about their crimes by having it inscribed on a plaque and mounted on the wall outside their house, no less.
Have to be caeful about publishing pictures, a lookalike may be on the end of a beating, I remember an account of a paediatrician getting beaten up by some ignorant residents of Leigh Park.
The Salv
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4:06pm Wed 20 Jun 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:As much as I would love to say that this was true, this actually happened in Wales.
Have to be caeful about publishing pictures, a lookalike may be on the end of a beating, I remember an account of a paediatrician getting beaten up by some ignorant residents of Leigh Park.
ohec
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4:20pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Folkestone Saint
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4:25pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Georgem wrote:I don't know, it is a response to the way that dresnez belittle's the emotional damage that these children will suffer for the rest of their lives and also to point out they may have been raped and therefore physically damaged after all how else do you sexaully abuse a young boy, just because it has not been mentioned doe's not mean it did not happen
Folkestone Saint wrote:How do you know there was anal and internal damage? Just curious, because the article doesn't give any detail on the nature of the abuse.
Dresnez wrote:Are you a complete moron, these children have to live with the fact a trusted person who should have been helping them helped themself, causing damage to the anus and maybe internal organs plus the mind, who could these children turn to and how many others has he raped we will never know, I hope he die's a horrible death.
Why is this news? He has served his time and is now on the sex offenders register, the prescribed punishment. Now he has been named and shamed and his photograph published to boot. His crime was heinous, however no one as far as I can tell no one has been murdered or maimed for life physically, except emotionally maybe. Punishment to fit the crime, justice has been done. It will never satisfy the vigilantes of course, nothing ever does.
Some crimes are demonised more than others.
For instance domestic violence. Most murders are done by members of the victims family.
Look at the vigilantes in Londonderry in Ireland folks - We do not want vigilante justice or their version of it and those that subscribe to vigilante justice are no better than their victims.
Still the vigilantes will know who he is now, so our police will have to waste time protecting him.
Georgem
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4:58pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Folkestone Saint wrote:What? Just because it has not been mentioned, does not mean it didn't happen? Really? Brilliant! We can apply this to anything!
Georgem wrote:I don't know, it is a response to the way that dresnez belittle's the emotional damage that these children will suffer for the rest of their lives and also to point out they may have been raped and therefore physically damaged after all how else do you sexaully abuse a young boy, just because it has not been mentioned doe's not mean it did not happen
Folkestone Saint wrote:How do you know there was anal and internal damage? Just curious, because the article doesn't give any detail on the nature of the abuse.
Dresnez wrote:Are you a complete moron, these children have to live with the fact a trusted person who should have been helping them helped themself, causing damage to the anus and maybe internal organs plus the mind, who could these children turn to and how many others has he raped we will never know, I hope he die's a horrible death.
Why is this news? He has served his time and is now on the sex offenders register, the prescribed punishment. Now he has been named and shamed and his photograph published to boot. His crime was heinous, however no one as far as I can tell no one has been murdered or maimed for life physically, except emotionally maybe. Punishment to fit the crime, justice has been done. It will never satisfy the vigilantes of course, nothing ever does.
Some crimes are demonised more than others.
For instance domestic violence. Most murders are done by members of the victims family.
Look at the vigilantes in Londonderry in Ireland folks - We do not want vigilante justice or their version of it and those that subscribe to vigilante justice are no better than their victims.
Still the vigilantes will know who he is now, so our police will have to waste time protecting him.
Story about a taxi driver? Comment on how he eats babies. Well, it doesn't say he DIDN'T eat babies, so we can assume he did.
Story about a blind kid? Comment on his numerous bank robberies that we don't know didn't happen, since they weren't mentioned.
And so on. Nonsense, the lot of it, right?
But yes, I agree, the emotional damage to these kids is the worst part. Physical wounds heal, generally. Emotional wounds often don't, for years, if at all.
There's plenty of ways to abuse a young boy without involving sodomy. He could just as easily have been making them do something to him. We don't know. I don't particularly want to, it's not pleasant, whatever it was. So I'm not going to speculate on the nature of their injuries.
Georgem
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5:05pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Folkestone Saint wrote:
What amazes me is a an ex dept head is now a convicted peadaphile here in Folkestone and yet he is allowed to live in a flat that overlook's a girls school and has a shared drive with it, his name is brian phillips if any vigilanties want it
The problem is, people are always aghast that these nonces are allowed to live 'near a school', but everywhere's 'near a school'.
IronLady2010
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6:44pm Wed 20 Jun 12
For all we know he could be innocent as one Court ruled there was insufficient evidence.
Unless you know India, you won't understand that they will force a sentence just to put an end to the matter.
But that's based on my experience, he could be guilty as charged?
Trust me you wouldn't want to spend 6 years in an Indian Jail! Ours are Holiday homes in comparison.
Folkestone Saint
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7:32pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Georgem wrote:Being a bit of a knob now arent you, one thing being close as in 1/2 a mile but this one LOOK'S OVER THE SCHOOL, get it he is not close he is next to it and shares a drive,
Folkestone Saint wrote:
What amazes me is a an ex dept head is now a convicted peadaphile here in Folkestone and yet he is allowed to live in a flat that overlook's a girls school and has a shared drive with it, his name is brian phillips if any vigilanties want it
The problem is, people are always aghast that these nonces are allowed to live 'near a school', but everywhere's 'near a school'.
IronLady2010
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7:38pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Folkestone Saint wrote:You mention vigilanties, are you inciting something on an open forum?
Georgem wrote:Being a bit of a knob now arent you, one thing being close as in 1/2 a mile but this one LOOK'S OVER THE SCHOOL, get it he is not close he is next to it and shares a drive,
Folkestone Saint wrote:
What amazes me is a an ex dept head is now a convicted peadaphile here in Folkestone and yet he is allowed to live in a flat that overlook's a girls school and has a shared drive with it, his name is brian phillips if any vigilanties want it
The problem is, people are always aghast that these nonces are allowed to live 'near a school', but everywhere's 'near a school'.
What do you want us to do, drive up and burn him with sticks?
You're almost as bad as the offender you mention, a crime is a crime!
Folkestone Saint
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7:39pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Georgem wrote:What a pathetic response, I am showing empathy (you should try it) towards some innocent kid's and you feel the need to have a go, is your name allan waters by any chance or are you one of the many brave brave troll's we have on here
Folkestone Saint wrote:What? Just because it has not been mentioned, does not mean it didn't happen? Really? Brilliant! We can apply this to anything!
Georgem wrote:I don't know, it is a response to the way that dresnez belittle's the emotional damage that these children will suffer for the rest of their lives and also to point out they may have been raped and therefore physically damaged after all how else do you sexaully abuse a young boy, just because it has not been mentioned doe's not mean it did not happen
Folkestone Saint wrote:How do you know there was anal and internal damage? Just curious, because the article doesn't give any detail on the nature of the abuse.
Dresnez wrote:Are you a complete moron, these children have to live with the fact a trusted person who should have been helping them helped themself, causing damage to the anus and maybe internal organs plus the mind, who could these children turn to and how many others has he raped we will never know, I hope he die's a horrible death.
Why is this news? He has served his time and is now on the sex offenders register, the prescribed punishment. Now he has been named and shamed and his photograph published to boot. His crime was heinous, however no one as far as I can tell no one has been murdered or maimed for life physically, except emotionally maybe. Punishment to fit the crime, justice has been done. It will never satisfy the vigilantes of course, nothing ever does.
Some crimes are demonised more than others.
For instance domestic violence. Most murders are done by members of the victims family.
Look at the vigilantes in Londonderry in Ireland folks - We do not want vigilante justice or their version of it and those that subscribe to vigilante justice are no better than their victims.
Still the vigilantes will know who he is now, so our police will have to waste time protecting him.
Story about a taxi driver? Comment on how he eats babies. Well, it doesn't say he DIDN'T eat babies, so we can assume he did.
Story about a blind kid? Comment on his numerous bank robberies that we don't know didn't happen, since they weren't mentioned.
And so on. Nonsense, the lot of it, right?
But yes, I agree, the emotional damage to these kids is the worst part. Physical wounds heal, generally. Emotional wounds often don't, for years, if at all.
There's plenty of ways to abuse a young boy without involving sodomy. He could just as easily have been making them do something to him. We don't know. I don't particularly want to, it's not pleasant, whatever it was. So I'm not going to speculate on the nature of their injuries.
Folkestone Saint
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7:44pm Wed 20 Jun 12
IronLady2010 wrote:How dare you compare me with these vile beast's, can I suggets to you to drop the word lady from your log-in as over time I can see you are not you just like to wind people up you troll,
Folkestone Saint wrote:You mention vigilanties, are you inciting something on an open forum?
Georgem wrote:Being a bit of a knob now arent you, one thing being close as in 1/2 a mile but this one LOOK'S OVER THE SCHOOL, get it he is not close he is next to it and shares a drive,
Folkestone Saint wrote:
What amazes me is a an ex dept head is now a convicted peadaphile here in Folkestone and yet he is allowed to live in a flat that overlook's a girls school and has a shared drive with it, his name is brian phillips if any vigilanties want it
The problem is, people are always aghast that these nonces are allowed to live 'near a school', but everywhere's 'near a school'.
What do you want us to do, drive up and burn him with sticks?
You're almost as bad as the offender you mention, a crime is a crime!
Folkestone Saint
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7:47pm Wed 20 Jun 12
IronLady2010 wrote:And you know that because, no don't tell me I have made my own mind up on how you troll
I'm in no way making a defence for this man, but as a frequent visitor to India, their entire system is corrupt.
For all we know he could be innocent as one Court ruled there was insufficient evidence.
Unless you know India, you won't understand that they will force a sentence just to put an end to the matter.
But that's based on my experience, he could be guilty as charged?
Trust me you wouldn't want to spend 6 years in an Indian Jail! Ours are Holiday homes in comparison.
IronLady2010
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7:58pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Folkestone Saint wrote:I am entitled to post a comment as much as you are. Although you are taking local matters to Folkestone for some reason.
IronLady2010 wrote:How dare you compare me with these vile beast's, can I suggets to you to drop the word lady from your log-in as over time I can see you are not you just like to wind people up you troll,
Folkestone Saint wrote:You mention vigilanties, are you inciting something on an open forum?
Georgem wrote:Being a bit of a knob now arent you, one thing being close as in 1/2 a mile but this one LOOK'S OVER THE SCHOOL, get it he is not close he is next to it and shares a drive,
Folkestone Saint wrote:
What amazes me is a an ex dept head is now a convicted peadaphile here in Folkestone and yet he is allowed to live in a flat that overlook's a girls school and has a shared drive with it, his name is brian phillips if any vigilanties want it
The problem is, people are always aghast that these nonces are allowed to live 'near a school', but everywhere's 'near a school'.
What do you want us to do, drive up and burn him with sticks?
You're almost as bad as the offender you mention, a crime is a crime!
You should look up the word Troll, having an opinion is not a troll, unless they are awaiting a response - as you are. x
Georgem
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8:26pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Folkestone Saint wrote:Ah. Name-calling. Good call. Way to make a point. I'll be over here, discussing adult subjects with people who don't resort to name-calling the second someone says something they don't like.
Georgem wrote:Being a bit of a knob now arent you, one thing being close as in 1/2 a mile but this one LOOK'S OVER THE SCHOOL, get it he is not close he is next to it and shares a drive,
Folkestone Saint wrote:
What amazes me is a an ex dept head is now a convicted peadaphile here in Folkestone and yet he is allowed to live in a flat that overlook's a girls school and has a shared drive with it, his name is brian phillips if any vigilanties want it
The problem is, people are always aghast that these nonces are allowed to live 'near a school', but everywhere's 'near a school'.
Georgem
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8:28pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Folkestone Saint wrote:Did you miss the bit where I agreed with you, then? Was I having a go? I'm pointing out what I agree with, and what I don't, in your post. Because, you know, real people, they don't feel the need to either completely agree with others, or take a completely contrary stance.
Georgem wrote:What a pathetic response, I am showing empathy (you should try it) towards some innocent kid's and you feel the need to have a go, is your name allan waters by any chance or are you one of the many brave brave troll's we have on here
Folkestone Saint wrote:What? Just because it has not been mentioned, does not mean it didn't happen? Really? Brilliant! We can apply this to anything!
Georgem wrote:I don't know, it is a response to the way that dresnez belittle's the emotional damage that these children will suffer for the rest of their lives and also to point out they may have been raped and therefore physically damaged after all how else do you sexaully abuse a young boy, just because it has not been mentioned doe's not mean it did not happen
Folkestone Saint wrote:How do you know there was anal and internal damage? Just curious, because the article doesn't give any detail on the nature of the abuse.
Dresnez wrote:Are you a complete moron, these children have to live with the fact a trusted person who should have been helping them helped themself, causing damage to the anus and maybe internal organs plus the mind, who could these children turn to and how many others has he raped we will never know, I hope he die's a horrible death.
Why is this news? He has served his time and is now on the sex offenders register, the prescribed punishment. Now he has been named and shamed and his photograph published to boot. His crime was heinous, however no one as far as I can tell no one has been murdered or maimed for life physically, except emotionally maybe. Punishment to fit the crime, justice has been done. It will never satisfy the vigilantes of course, nothing ever does.
Some crimes are demonised more than others.
For instance domestic violence. Most murders are done by members of the victims family.
Look at the vigilantes in Londonderry in Ireland folks - We do not want vigilante justice or their version of it and those that subscribe to vigilante justice are no better than their victims.
Still the vigilantes will know who he is now, so our police will have to waste time protecting him.
Story about a taxi driver? Comment on how he eats babies. Well, it doesn't say he DIDN'T eat babies, so we can assume he did.
Story about a blind kid? Comment on his numerous bank robberies that we don't know didn't happen, since they weren't mentioned.
And so on. Nonsense, the lot of it, right?
But yes, I agree, the emotional damage to these kids is the worst part. Physical wounds heal, generally. Emotional wounds often don't, for years, if at all.
There's plenty of ways to abuse a young boy without involving sodomy. He could just as easily have been making them do something to him. We don't know. I don't particularly want to, it's not pleasant, whatever it was. So I'm not going to speculate on the nature of their injuries.
Also, troll? You know that word has a specific meaning, and it isn't "someone I disagree with", right?
The Salv
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8:55pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Georgem wrote:Oh has he played the old troll card... how pathetic (rolling my eyes)
Folkestone Saint wrote:Did you miss the bit where I agreed with you, then? Was I having a go? I'm pointing out what I agree with, and what I don't, in your post. Because, you know, real people, they don't feel the need to either completely agree with others, or take a completely contrary stance.
Georgem wrote:What a pathetic response, I am showing empathy (you should try it) towards some innocent kid's and you feel the need to have a go, is your name allan waters by any chance or are you one of the many brave brave troll's we have on here
Folkestone Saint wrote:What? Just because it has not been mentioned, does not mean it didn't happen? Really? Brilliant! We can apply this to anything!
Georgem wrote:I don't know, it is a response to the way that dresnez belittle's the emotional damage that these children will suffer for the rest of their lives and also to point out they may have been raped and therefore physically damaged after all how else do you sexaully abuse a young boy, just because it has not been mentioned doe's not mean it did not happen
Folkestone Saint wrote:How do you know there was anal and internal damage? Just curious, because the article doesn't give any detail on the nature of the abuse.
Dresnez wrote:Are you a complete moron, these children have to live with the fact a trusted person who should have been helping them helped themself, causing damage to the anus and maybe internal organs plus the mind, who could these children turn to and how many others has he raped we will never know, I hope he die's a horrible death.
Why is this news? He has served his time and is now on the sex offenders register, the prescribed punishment. Now he has been named and shamed and his photograph published to boot. His crime was heinous, however no one as far as I can tell no one has been murdered or maimed for life physically, except emotionally maybe. Punishment to fit the crime, justice has been done. It will never satisfy the vigilantes of course, nothing ever does.
Some crimes are demonised more than others.
For instance domestic violence. Most murders are done by members of the victims family.
Look at the vigilantes in Londonderry in Ireland folks - We do not want vigilante justice or their version of it and those that subscribe to vigilante justice are no better than their victims.
Still the vigilantes will know who he is now, so our police will have to waste time protecting him.
Story about a taxi driver? Comment on how he eats babies. Well, it doesn't say he DIDN'T eat babies, so we can assume he did.
Story about a blind kid? Comment on his numerous bank robberies that we don't know didn't happen, since they weren't mentioned.
And so on. Nonsense, the lot of it, right?
But yes, I agree, the emotional damage to these kids is the worst part. Physical wounds heal, generally. Emotional wounds often don't, for years, if at all.
There's plenty of ways to abuse a young boy without involving sodomy. He could just as easily have been making them do something to him. We don't know. I don't particularly want to, it's not pleasant, whatever it was. So I'm not going to speculate on the nature of their injuries.
Also, troll? You know that word has a specific meaning, and it isn't "someone I disagree with", right?
IronLady2010
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9:07pm Wed 20 Jun 12
He has merely been asked to sign a register.
Do we rely on Indian Courts, which are totally different to our own.
The man has a superb past record, yet we are judging him based on a foreign Court which is known to be corrupt.
Put him before a UK Court with all the evidence before we condemn him?
IronLady2010
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9:27pm Wed 20 Jun 12
IronLady2010 wrote:I'm not suggesting this man is innocent, but if you visit India, you will appreciate how desperate people are.
Getting back to the article, has this man been convicted in the UK for crime abroad?
He has merely been asked to sign a register.
Do we rely on Indian Courts, which are totally different to our own.
The man has a superb past record, yet we are judging him based on a foreign Court which is known to be corrupt.
Put him before a UK Court with all the evidence before we condemn him?
This article suggests one single complaint and 4 similar.
It could be they considered this was a route out of the home into some money?
I don't know the ins and out of the case, but it does sound a bit unsure.
Sovietobserver
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10:49pm Wed 20 Jun 12
IronLady2010
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11:17pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Sovietobserver wrote:You show your ignorance to Indian ways. An Indian Jail is not like a UK Jail. They have no rights etc. I have visited a jail in India, as a visitor, not a guest.
How many fellow inmates did he 'enjoy' during his six years in the Indian jail. Perhaps he misses their company now he's back here. Someone needs to encourage the old perv to go back to that jail and spend the rest of his days there, rather than being allowed to stalk around in this country.
Trust me, you wouldn't wish to spend a week in that place.
Us UK people can visit the jails in India and take certain goods, such as toothpaste, soap etc. But we can't take food which is what they lack.
So, my answer is he didn't enjoy any fellow inmates as you have a blinkered vision on Indian Prisons. They are banged up in there own cell, no pool tables, no PS3. If they're lucky they have a tiny window.
IronLady2010
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11:25pm Wed 20 Jun 12
Sovietobserver wrote:Again, you are assuming this man is guilty. Yet he's not been through the UK Courts.
How many fellow inmates did he 'enjoy' during his six years in the Indian jail. Perhaps he misses their company now he's back here. Someone needs to encourage the old perv to go back to that jail and spend the rest of his days there, rather than being allowed to stalk around in this country.
I've paid many rupees for riding a moped legally in India, just to get them off my back!
They start at RS2000+, but if you hide your purse they come down to whatever you've got.
It's all corrupt.
IronLady2010
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11:31pm Wed 20 Jun 12
The entire case is questionable.
This is a man who was a highly respected Lieutenant Commander and we suddenly doubt him based on a Foreign Court system.
It's very easy to jump on the bandwaggon society has created.
Beera Ji
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8:33am Thu 21 Jun 12
IronLady2010 wrote:'But that decision was quashed by the country’s Supreme Court' did you not read the next line. India is not as backward as you would have people believe. Mumbai is an advanced and modern city you should visit it one day maybe you will see for yourself. The fact that Interpol got involved proves that the Indian's took the case seriously and didn’t just try and get a quick result as some have suggested. seriously and didnt just try and get a quick result as some have suggested.
He was freed in 2008 by judges at the Indian High Court, who cited “lack of evidence provided by the prosecution’’. The entire case is questionable. This is a man who was a highly respected Lieutenant Commander and we suddenly doubt him based on a Foreign Court system. It's very easy to jump on the bandwaggon society has created.
Georgem
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9:30am Thu 21 Jun 12
IronLady2010 wrote:You're forgetting, though, that in cases where someone has mentioned 'paedophilia' somewhere, justice and common sense are discarded.
He was freed in 2008 by judges at the Indian High Court, who cited “lack of evidence provided by the prosecution’’.
The entire case is questionable.
This is a man who was a highly respected Lieutenant Commander and we suddenly doubt him based on a Foreign Court system.
It's very easy to jump on the bandwaggon society has created.
ohec
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11:01am Thu 21 Jun 12
Stu J
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11:19am Thu 21 Jun 12
IronLady2010 wrote:This is a VERY good point indeed.
Sovietobserver wrote:Again, you are assuming this man is guilty. Yet he's not been through the UK Courts.
How many fellow inmates did he 'enjoy' during his six years in the Indian jail. Perhaps he misses their company now he's back here. Someone needs to encourage the old perv to go back to that jail and spend the rest of his days there, rather than being allowed to stalk around in this country.
I've paid many rupees for riding a moped legally in India, just to get them off my back!
They start at RS2000+, but if you hide your purse they come down to whatever you've got.
It's all corrupt.
If he did what he was accused of it's a pretty hideous thing, although I suspect that some poor person in India has done financially rather well out of it, but why do some people seem to think he should be treated worse than a murderer?
As a parent I'd have hated for someone to have interfered with my kids when they were young BUT at least they'd still be alive. It's not even in the same ball park.
Smartiepants says...
9:59am Wed 20 Jun 12