MP expenses scandal is history – watchdog

Daily Echo: MP expenses scandal is history – watchdog MP expenses scandal is history – watchdog

THE DAYS of dodgy MPs’ expenses claims are over, Parliament’s sleaze watchdog said as the latest batch of claims was published.

MPs from the south cost taxpayers just over £1.5m last year, the annual figures showed.

There was a wide variety in the amounts paid out to each MP, from New Forest West Tory Des Swayne on £86,894 to Winchester Conservative Steve Brine on £142,083.

Southampton Labour duo Alan Whitehead and John Denham, who share a base in the city, cost taxpayers the most in office expenses with bills including staff wages of £123,081 and £127,329.

Chris Huhne (Eastleigh) and George Hollingbery (Meon Valley) did not claim accommodation expenses for a second home. Gosport MP Caroline Dinenage’s accommodation costs of £22,084 were the highest in the area.

Expenses are managed by the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority, which was set up in the wake of the 2009 scandal which saw MPs castigated for bizarre claims and “flipping” their second homes to maximise profit.

Sir Ian Kennedy, IPSA chairman, said expenses claims were now published every month following the “shocking” reports in 2009.

He said three things were clear from yesterday’s publication.

“First, the expenses scandal is behind us. Remember what it was like – report after report of MPs claiming for all sorts of things; ‘flipping’ homes; no system of scrutiny; and all this behind closed doors. That world is behind us. We have overhauled the system and the expenses scandal is clearly history.

“Second, MPs are keeping to the rules. Ninety-nine per cent of claims are within the new rules. So it isn’t just us doing our job – MPs are behaving responsibly and claiming within the rules.

“Third, we are talking about significant sums of money. We should be clear about this. We are publishing the details of £89m worth of costs and expenses – about the same likefor- like sum as last year.”

Sir Ian said people had to expect a cost if they wanted a service from MPs, pointing out that the majority of the outlay related to staffing offices.

He added: “If we want a good service from our MPs, we have to fund them. And if you don’t think you get a good service from your MP, the answer is not to withhold funding – it is to use your vote.”

 

WHAT YOUR MP CLAIMED IN 2011:

MP CONSTITUENCY ACCOMM. TRAVEL OFFICE MISC TOTAL
John Denham Soton Itchen £11,594.31 £3,402.53 £123,081.01 £0 £138,077.85
Alan Whitehead Soton Test £7,414.87 £4,150.18 £127,329.11 £0 £138,894.16
Caroline Nokes Romsey/Soton North £12,712.48 £6,110.53 £89,826.38 £0 £108,649.39
Desmond Swayne New Forest W £2,713.53 £2,202.1 £81,844.98 £133.50 £86,894.11
Julian Lewis New Forest E £6,926.38 £3,850.8 £113,022.68 £0 £123,799.86
Andrew Turner Isle of Wight £21,793.02 £5,459.94 £139,541.95 £0 £166,794.91
Chris Huhne Eastleigh £0 £2,091.94 £102,675.61 £0 £104,767.55
Mark Hoban Fareham £16,431.85 £2,959.5 £75,706.35 £430.83 £95,528.53
Caroline Dinenage Gosport £22,084.25 £5,199.55 £108,393.07 £21 £135,697.87
Steve Brine Winchester £18,108.31 £3,308.75 £120,666.78 £0 £142,083.84
Maria Miller Basingstoke £13,729.28 £3,349.40 £107,648.93 £0 £124,727.61
George Young NW Hants £17,450.26 £3,398.75 £90,379.97 £0 £111,228.98
George Hollingbery Meon Valley £0 £390.95 £117,805.04 £0 £118,195.99

 

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2:48pm Fri 7 Sep 12

one in a million says...

Boll@cks...
Boll@cks... one in a million

4:40pm Fri 7 Sep 12

Forest Resident says...

It's only history after being brushed under the carpet by the MP's themselves. In what other job could you abuse expenses so excessively yet not just avoid prosecution, but retain your job and within 2 years be back where you were as if nothing had ever happened? When MP's live in the real world and understand and accept real consequences only then will they gain the slightest bit of my respect, for now they remain the elite, self interested snobs they have always been.
It's only history after being brushed under the carpet by the MP's themselves. In what other job could you abuse expenses so excessively yet not just avoid prosecution, but retain your job and within 2 years be back where you were as if nothing had ever happened? When MP's live in the real world and understand and accept real consequences only then will they gain the slightest bit of my respect, for now they remain the elite, self interested snobs they have always been. Forest Resident

5:00pm Fri 7 Sep 12

Ford Prefect says...

David Laws, who had to resign after being caught fiddling expenses, now back as a minister who attends Cabinet.

Chris Grayling, who claimed for a second home 20 miles from his first, promoted within the Cabinet.

And Michael Mates, who seems to be profiting from his old second home arrangement and who is a good friend of Asil Nadir, is the Conservative candidate for Polcie Commisioner in Hampshire.

Tells you all you need to know, really.
David Laws, who had to resign after being caught fiddling expenses, now back as a minister who attends Cabinet. Chris Grayling, who claimed for a second home 20 miles from his first, promoted within the Cabinet. And Michael Mates, who seems to be profiting from his old second home arrangement and who is a good friend of Asil Nadir, is the Conservative candidate for Polcie Commisioner in Hampshire. Tells you all you need to know, really. Ford Prefect

5:13pm Fri 7 Sep 12

SOULJACKER says...

Hahahaha, the dirty robbing B@stards,

If someone over claims on their benefit they will get screwed, fined or go to jail, these t0ssers are priceless & the British public are stupid enough to believe that it is indeed history!

WAKE UP BRITAIN!, these are all corrupt little turds who think they are above us all, weather they are local councilors or Prime ministers...they are all guilty of having their snouts in the trough.

Grow a spine people of Britain & stand up to these horrid odious little Hitlers!

Time to get my drank on :)
Hahahaha, the dirty robbing B@stards, If someone over claims on their benefit they will get screwed, fined or go to jail, these t0ssers are priceless & the British public are stupid enough to believe that it is indeed history! WAKE UP BRITAIN!, these are all corrupt little turds who think they are above us all, weather they are local councilors or Prime ministers...they are all guilty of having their snouts in the trough. Grow a spine people of Britain & stand up to these horrid odious little Hitlers! Time to get my drank on :) SOULJACKER

5:23pm Fri 7 Sep 12

southy says...

Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half southy

5:55pm Fri 7 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

southy wrote:
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
Have you got any more good jokes, I need cheering up after today. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]Have you got any more good jokes, I need cheering up after today. ;-) IronLady2010

7:58pm Fri 7 Sep 12

Old Man of the Sea says...

southy wrote:
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC.

Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced?

Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC. Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced? Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries? Old Man of the Sea

9:17pm Fri 7 Sep 12

Torchie1 says...

Old Man of the Sea wrote:
southy wrote:
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC.

Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced?

Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries?
I wonder if the union leaders on £100K+ will be voting for Tusc and a 50% pay cut?
[quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC. Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced? Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries?[/p][/quote]I wonder if the union leaders on £100K+ will be voting for Tusc and a 50% pay cut? Torchie1

10:01pm Fri 7 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Old Man of the Sea wrote:
southy wrote:
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC.

Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced?

Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries?
I wonder if the union leaders on £100K+ will be voting for Tusc and a 50% pay cut?
Southy is anti union right now as they snubbed TUSC over the swimming pool.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC. Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced? Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries?[/p][/quote]I wonder if the union leaders on £100K+ will be voting for Tusc and a 50% pay cut?[/p][/quote]Southy is anti union right now as they snubbed TUSC over the swimming pool. IronLady2010

10:40pm Fri 7 Sep 12

Torchie1 says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Old Man of the Sea wrote:
southy wrote:
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC.

Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced?

Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries?
I wonder if the union leaders on £100K+ will be voting for Tusc and a 50% pay cut?
Southy is anti union right now as they snubbed TUSC over the swimming pool.
There's always someone who backs the donkey in The Derby.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC. Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced? Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries?[/p][/quote]I wonder if the union leaders on £100K+ will be voting for Tusc and a 50% pay cut?[/p][/quote]Southy is anti union right now as they snubbed TUSC over the swimming pool.[/p][/quote]There's always someone who backs the donkey in The Derby. Torchie1

1:18am Sat 8 Sep 12

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Old Man of the Sea wrote:
southy wrote:
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC.

Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced?

Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries?
I wonder if the union leaders on £100K+ will be voting for Tusc and a 50% pay cut?
Southy is anti union right now as they snubbed TUSC over the swimming pool.
There's always someone who backs the donkey in The Derby.
How wrong you are about Unions, as for Union exc wages that is down to the Union it self and not any from the out side to decide.

Old Man of the Sea, we will get there but its going to take time "Rome was't built in a day", and the same thing was being said about Labour Party 100 years ago, but they got there in the end.
MP's and Lords no expenses and wages cut in half.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC. Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced? Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries?[/p][/quote]I wonder if the union leaders on £100K+ will be voting for Tusc and a 50% pay cut?[/p][/quote]Southy is anti union right now as they snubbed TUSC over the swimming pool.[/p][/quote]There's always someone who backs the donkey in The Derby.[/p][/quote]How wrong you are about Unions, as for Union exc wages that is down to the Union it self and not any from the out side to decide. Old Man of the Sea, we will get there but its going to take time "Rome was't built in a day", and the same thing was being said about Labour Party 100 years ago, but they got there in the end. MP's and Lords no expenses and wages cut in half. southy

9:36am Sat 8 Sep 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Old Man of the Sea wrote:
southy wrote:
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC.

Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced?

Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries?
I wonder if the union leaders on £100K+ will be voting for Tusc and a 50% pay cut?
Southy is anti union right now as they snubbed TUSC over the swimming pool.
There's always someone who backs the donkey in The Derby.
How wrong you are about Unions, as for Union exc wages that is down to the Union it self and not any from the out side to decide.

Old Man of the Sea, we will get there but its going to take time "Rome was't built in a day", and the same thing was being said about Labour Party 100 years ago, but they got there in the end.
MP's and Lords no expenses and wages cut in half.
Union executives salaries are available on public record as are the salaries of other people like MPs. Your insistence that these figures aren't real underlines your embarrassment at the excesses of these union leaders and shows why the original version of the Red Flag changed to "The working class can kiss my A$$e, I've got the Foreman's job at last". Keep dreaming of electoral success, the Monster Raving Loony Party and the National Front tell their members exactly the same thing.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC. Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced? Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries?[/p][/quote]I wonder if the union leaders on £100K+ will be voting for Tusc and a 50% pay cut?[/p][/quote]Southy is anti union right now as they snubbed TUSC over the swimming pool.[/p][/quote]There's always someone who backs the donkey in The Derby.[/p][/quote]How wrong you are about Unions, as for Union exc wages that is down to the Union it self and not any from the out side to decide. Old Man of the Sea, we will get there but its going to take time "Rome was't built in a day", and the same thing was being said about Labour Party 100 years ago, but they got there in the end. MP's and Lords no expenses and wages cut in half.[/p][/quote]Union executives salaries are available on public record as are the salaries of other people like MPs. Your insistence that these figures aren't real underlines your embarrassment at the excesses of these union leaders and shows why the original version of the Red Flag changed to "The working class can kiss my A$$e, I've got the Foreman's job at last". Keep dreaming of electoral success, the Monster Raving Loony Party and the National Front tell their members exactly the same thing. Torchie1

10:34am Sat 8 Sep 12

John L Bell says...

I note that a number of almost identical articles have cropped up over the last few days in 'local' or 'regional' newspapers claiming that expenses corruption is 'over'!

I regret that ALL of them fail to mention that overall claims are up by some 26% OVER claimed 2010-11!

There is also a complete absence of any reference to the fact that an additional large increase in expenses/allowances 'fiddle money' was granted (VERY quietly)a few weeks BEFORE the Budget which affected the rest of the taxpaying citizen voters! this will mean( unless MPs employ an as yet unknown quality of 'financial abstinence!!!!) further increases next year!
Thus the claims for 2012-13 could well show an increase of over 35-40% over the base year 2010-11!

How many other taxpaying citizen voters, in this time of 'belt tightening' and 'austerity' and 'all lin this together' will have enjoyed 1 35-40% increase in income!

Or is it, perhaps, that anyone with 'MP' after their given name has a 'Get Out Of Austerity Free Card'!

I would humbly suggest!
I note that a number of almost identical articles have cropped up over the last few days in 'local' or 'regional' newspapers claiming that expenses corruption is 'over'! I regret that ALL of them fail to mention that overall claims are up by some 26% OVER claimed 2010-11! There is also a complete absence of any reference to the fact that an additional large increase in expenses/allowances 'fiddle money' was granted (VERY quietly)a few weeks BEFORE the Budget which affected the rest of the taxpaying citizen voters! this will mean( unless MPs employ an as yet unknown quality of 'financial abstinence!!!!) further increases next year! Thus the claims for 2012-13 could well show an increase of over 35-40% over the base year 2010-11! How many other taxpaying citizen voters, in this time of 'belt tightening' and 'austerity' and 'all lin this together' will have enjoyed 1 35-40% increase in income! Or is it, perhaps, that anyone with 'MP' after their given name has a 'Get Out Of Austerity Free Card'! I would humbly suggest! John L Bell

10:47am Sat 8 Sep 12

Peter Jenkins says...

John L Bell wrote:
I note that a number of almost identical articles have cropped up over the last few days in 'local' or 'regional' newspapers claiming that expenses corruption is 'over'!

I regret that ALL of them fail to mention that overall claims are up by some 26% OVER claimed 2010-11!

There is also a complete absence of any reference to the fact that an additional large increase in expenses/allowances 'fiddle money' was granted (VERY quietly)a few weeks BEFORE the Budget which affected the rest of the taxpaying citizen voters! this will mean( unless MPs employ an as yet unknown quality of 'financial abstinence!!!!) further increases next year!
Thus the claims for 2012-13 could well show an increase of over 35-40% over the base year 2010-11!

How many other taxpaying citizen voters, in this time of 'belt tightening' and 'austerity' and 'all lin this together' will have enjoyed 1 35-40% increase in income!

Or is it, perhaps, that anyone with 'MP' after their given name has a 'Get Out Of Austerity Free Card'!

I would humbly suggest!
Well spotted. The gravy train is continuing unabated.
[quote][p][bold]John L Bell[/bold] wrote: I note that a number of almost identical articles have cropped up over the last few days in 'local' or 'regional' newspapers claiming that expenses corruption is 'over'! I regret that ALL of them fail to mention that overall claims are up by some 26% OVER claimed 2010-11! There is also a complete absence of any reference to the fact that an additional large increase in expenses/allowances 'fiddle money' was granted (VERY quietly)a few weeks BEFORE the Budget which affected the rest of the taxpaying citizen voters! this will mean( unless MPs employ an as yet unknown quality of 'financial abstinence!!!!) further increases next year! Thus the claims for 2012-13 could well show an increase of over 35-40% over the base year 2010-11! How many other taxpaying citizen voters, in this time of 'belt tightening' and 'austerity' and 'all lin this together' will have enjoyed 1 35-40% increase in income! Or is it, perhaps, that anyone with 'MP' after their given name has a 'Get Out Of Austerity Free Card'! I would humbly suggest![/p][/quote]Well spotted. The gravy train is continuing unabated. Peter Jenkins

11:09am Sat 8 Sep 12

skeptik says...

One law for us and one Law's for them. Housing benefit cheats.
One law for us and one Law's for them. Housing benefit cheats. skeptik

2:34pm Sat 8 Sep 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
Yeh, of course they will!

We believe you Peter!!!

How gullible do you think we are? Loon.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]Yeh, of course they will! We believe you Peter!!! How gullible do you think we are? Loon. Shoong

6:03pm Sat 8 Sep 12

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

A bit of expenses arent they a bit high what do you think then!
A bit of expenses arent they a bit high what do you think then! Fatty x Ford Worker

7:39pm Sat 8 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

southy wrote:
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
The problem with TUSC is that you represent them on this forum. This alone is a no vote for hundreds of people.

You are such a loveable person, but when it comes to politics you don't have a clue, this then reflects on TUSC.

I still love you though, you do make me smile on a bad day!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]The problem with TUSC is that you represent them on this forum. This alone is a no vote for hundreds of people. You are such a loveable person, but when it comes to politics you don't have a clue, this then reflects on TUSC. I still love you though, you do make me smile on a bad day! IronLady2010

9:08pm Sat 8 Sep 12

Scrutinizer says...

Ford Prefect wrote:
David Laws, who had to resign after being caught fiddling expenses, now back as a minister who attends Cabinet. Chris Grayling, who claimed for a second home 20 miles from his first, promoted within the Cabinet. And Michael Mates, who seems to be profiting from his old second home arrangement and who is a good friend of Asil Nadir, is the Conservative candidate for Polcie Commisioner in Hampshire. Tells you all you need to know, really.
Exactly! And these charlatans (I know, that's a rather over-kind word for 'em, so how about something more appropriate then, like space-wasting, lying, thieving azzholes) never cease to expect us to trust them!
[quote][p][bold]Ford Prefect[/bold] wrote: David Laws, who had to resign after being caught fiddling expenses, now back as a minister who attends Cabinet. Chris Grayling, who claimed for a second home 20 miles from his first, promoted within the Cabinet. And Michael Mates, who seems to be profiting from his old second home arrangement and who is a good friend of Asil Nadir, is the Conservative candidate for Polcie Commisioner in Hampshire. Tells you all you need to know, really.[/p][/quote]Exactly! And these charlatans (I know, that's a rather over-kind word for 'em, so how about something more appropriate then, like space-wasting, lying, thieving azzholes) never cease to expect us to trust them! Scrutinizer

9:22pm Sat 8 Sep 12

Scrutinizer says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
The problem with TUSC is that you represent them on this forum. This alone is a no vote for hundreds of people. You are such a loveable person, but when it comes to politics you don't have a clue, this then reflects on TUSC. I still love you though, you do make me smile on a bad day!
Talk about a typical female, back-handed type of comment er... compliment! :-)))
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]The problem with TUSC is that you represent them on this forum. This alone is a no vote for hundreds of people. You are such a loveable person, but when it comes to politics you don't have a clue, this then reflects on TUSC. I still love you though, you do make me smile on a bad day![/p][/quote]Talk about a typical female, back-handed type of comment er... compliment! :-))) Scrutinizer

10:12pm Sat 8 Sep 12

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Old Man of the Sea wrote:
southy wrote:
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC.

Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced?

Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries?
I wonder if the union leaders on £100K+ will be voting for Tusc and a 50% pay cut?
Southy is anti union right now as they snubbed TUSC over the swimming pool.
There's always someone who backs the donkey in The Derby.
How wrong you are about Unions, as for Union exc wages that is down to the Union it self and not any from the out side to decide.

Old Man of the Sea, we will get there but its going to take time "Rome was't built in a day", and the same thing was being said about Labour Party 100 years ago, but they got there in the end.
MP's and Lords no expenses and wages cut in half.
Union executives salaries are available on public record as are the salaries of other people like MPs. Your insistence that these figures aren't real underlines your embarrassment at the excesses of these union leaders and shows why the original version of the Red Flag changed to "The working class can kiss my A$$e, I've got the Foreman's job at last". Keep dreaming of electoral success, the Monster Raving Loony Party and the National Front tell their members exactly the same thing.
Theres wages comes from the union, so the only ones that can have a say on what there wages will be are the members of that union, and the only real difference between union leaders and a a boss of a company is that the union leaders pay full tax unlike the bosses of companys get away with paying 20% tax and less.
All your doing is throwing the light in the wrong direction is that because your a boss to that only pays 20% tax, and most bosses get a lot more for wages than any union leader will.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC. Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced? Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries?[/p][/quote]I wonder if the union leaders on £100K+ will be voting for Tusc and a 50% pay cut?[/p][/quote]Southy is anti union right now as they snubbed TUSC over the swimming pool.[/p][/quote]There's always someone who backs the donkey in The Derby.[/p][/quote]How wrong you are about Unions, as for Union exc wages that is down to the Union it self and not any from the out side to decide. Old Man of the Sea, we will get there but its going to take time "Rome was't built in a day", and the same thing was being said about Labour Party 100 years ago, but they got there in the end. MP's and Lords no expenses and wages cut in half.[/p][/quote]Union executives salaries are available on public record as are the salaries of other people like MPs. Your insistence that these figures aren't real underlines your embarrassment at the excesses of these union leaders and shows why the original version of the Red Flag changed to "The working class can kiss my A$$e, I've got the Foreman's job at last". Keep dreaming of electoral success, the Monster Raving Loony Party and the National Front tell their members exactly the same thing.[/p][/quote]Theres wages comes from the union, so the only ones that can have a say on what there wages will be are the members of that union, and the only real difference between union leaders and a a boss of a company is that the union leaders pay full tax unlike the bosses of companys get away with paying 20% tax and less. All your doing is throwing the light in the wrong direction is that because your a boss to that only pays 20% tax, and most bosses get a lot more for wages than any union leader will. southy

10:20pm Sat 8 Sep 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
Yeh, of course they will!

We believe you Peter!!!

How gullible do you think we are? Loon.
Its in the manifest shoong, and we will do it, the MPs that belong to the socialist Party but are still in the Labour Party don't put in for any expenses, nore do they have the full £62,000 wage that is offered to the MP's they take half of that.

Even, Well if that is the real ex-councillor Peter Jenks will tell you what I told you We Will Do It cut the MP's and Lords Wages in half, we will do away with the Thatcher Expenses sheet and it will not get replace.
Big difference between the TUSC and all other Political Partys we will represent the majority and never the few.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]Yeh, of course they will! We believe you Peter!!! How gullible do you think we are? Loon.[/p][/quote]Its in the manifest shoong, and we will do it, the MPs that belong to the socialist Party but are still in the Labour Party don't put in for any expenses, nore do they have the full £62,000 wage that is offered to the MP's they take half of that. Even, Well if that is the real ex-councillor Peter Jenks will tell you what I told you We Will Do It cut the MP's and Lords Wages in half, we will do away with the Thatcher Expenses sheet and it will not get replace. Big difference between the TUSC and all other Political Partys we will represent the majority and never the few. southy

9:06am Sun 9 Sep 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Old Man of the Sea wrote:
southy wrote:
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC.

Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced?

Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries?
I wonder if the union leaders on £100K+ will be voting for Tusc and a 50% pay cut?
Southy is anti union right now as they snubbed TUSC over the swimming pool.
There's always someone who backs the donkey in The Derby.
How wrong you are about Unions, as for Union exc wages that is down to the Union it self and not any from the out side to decide.

Old Man of the Sea, we will get there but its going to take time "Rome was't built in a day", and the same thing was being said about Labour Party 100 years ago, but they got there in the end.
MP's and Lords no expenses and wages cut in half.
Union executives salaries are available on public record as are the salaries of other people like MPs. Your insistence that these figures aren't real underlines your embarrassment at the excesses of these union leaders and shows why the original version of the Red Flag changed to "The working class can kiss my A$$e, I've got the Foreman's job at last". Keep dreaming of electoral success, the Monster Raving Loony Party and the National Front tell their members exactly the same thing.
Theres wages comes from the union, so the only ones that can have a say on what there wages will be are the members of that union, and the only real difference between union leaders and a a boss of a company is that the union leaders pay full tax unlike the bosses of companys get away with paying 20% tax and less.
All your doing is throwing the light in the wrong direction is that because your a boss to that only pays 20% tax, and most bosses get a lot more for wages than any union leader will.
I note that you aren't familiar with taxation rates in the Czech Republic which are considerably lower than in the UK. There's a very fair system running here that rewards people for working but won't provide a 'Benefits' lifestyle for those who chose not to. Lot's of companies have relocated from the UK to these more favourable lands and they find a more willing workforce like the ones that come to the UK and take jobs from the locals. If some of these highly paid union officials explained that their members have responsibilities instead of demanding a steady stream of 'rights', they might be worth the ridiculous sums that they're paid but instead they are helping to destroy the employment opportunities that puts bread on their members tables. The evidence is all around you but you constantly refuse to accept it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]I believe the way to change the control of a British Government is via the ballot box. Sadly, Southy, I can't see a majority of the electorate voting for the TUSC. Strange, you can spell government correctly, but not introduced? Incidentally, whose wages will be cut in half? Everyones? What about those on salaries?[/p][/quote]I wonder if the union leaders on £100K+ will be voting for Tusc and a 50% pay cut?[/p][/quote]Southy is anti union right now as they snubbed TUSC over the swimming pool.[/p][/quote]There's always someone who backs the donkey in The Derby.[/p][/quote]How wrong you are about Unions, as for Union exc wages that is down to the Union it self and not any from the out side to decide. Old Man of the Sea, we will get there but its going to take time "Rome was't built in a day", and the same thing was being said about Labour Party 100 years ago, but they got there in the end. MP's and Lords no expenses and wages cut in half.[/p][/quote]Union executives salaries are available on public record as are the salaries of other people like MPs. Your insistence that these figures aren't real underlines your embarrassment at the excesses of these union leaders and shows why the original version of the Red Flag changed to "The working class can kiss my A$$e, I've got the Foreman's job at last". Keep dreaming of electoral success, the Monster Raving Loony Party and the National Front tell their members exactly the same thing.[/p][/quote]Theres wages comes from the union, so the only ones that can have a say on what there wages will be are the members of that union, and the only real difference between union leaders and a a boss of a company is that the union leaders pay full tax unlike the bosses of companys get away with paying 20% tax and less. All your doing is throwing the light in the wrong direction is that because your a boss to that only pays 20% tax, and most bosses get a lot more for wages than any union leader will.[/p][/quote]I note that you aren't familiar with taxation rates in the Czech Republic which are considerably lower than in the UK. There's a very fair system running here that rewards people for working but won't provide a 'Benefits' lifestyle for those who chose not to. Lot's of companies have relocated from the UK to these more favourable lands and they find a more willing workforce like the ones that come to the UK and take jobs from the locals. If some of these highly paid union officials explained that their members have responsibilities instead of demanding a steady stream of 'rights', they might be worth the ridiculous sums that they're paid but instead they are helping to destroy the employment opportunities that puts bread on their members tables. The evidence is all around you but you constantly refuse to accept it. Torchie1

9:36am Sun 9 Sep 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
Yeh, of course they will!

We believe you Peter!!!

How gullible do you think we are? Loon.
Its in the manifest shoong, and we will do it, the MPs that belong to the socialist Party but are still in the Labour Party don't put in for any expenses, nore do they have the full £62,000 wage that is offered to the MP's they take half of that.

Even, Well if that is the real ex-councillor Peter Jenks will tell you what I told you We Will Do It cut the MP's and Lords Wages in half, we will do away with the Thatcher Expenses sheet and it will not get replace.
Big difference between the TUSC and all other Political Partys we will represent the majority and never the few.
.. you need to get your eyes tested southy. The poster above clearly uses the name Peter Jenkins, not Peter Jenks.

So, would you like to reveal the names of these MP's who "belong to the socialist Party but are still in the Labour Party"? Come on, we have no secrets, do we?

As for "Big difference between the TUSC and all other Political Partys we will represent the majority", this does not seem to be reflected in electoral results. Ah, but I see you use the word "will". When's that going to be then?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]Yeh, of course they will! We believe you Peter!!! How gullible do you think we are? Loon.[/p][/quote]Its in the manifest shoong, and we will do it, the MPs that belong to the socialist Party but are still in the Labour Party don't put in for any expenses, nore do they have the full £62,000 wage that is offered to the MP's they take half of that. Even, Well if that is the real ex-councillor Peter Jenks will tell you what I told you We Will Do It cut the MP's and Lords Wages in half, we will do away with the Thatcher Expenses sheet and it will not get replace. Big difference between the TUSC and all other Political Partys we will represent the majority and never the few.[/p][/quote].. you need to get your eyes tested southy. The poster above clearly uses the name Peter Jenkins, not Peter Jenks. So, would you like to reveal the names of these MP's who "belong to the socialist Party but are still in the Labour Party"? Come on, we have no secrets, do we? As for "Big difference between the TUSC and all other Political Partys we will represent the majority", this does not seem to be reflected in electoral results. Ah, but I see you use the word "will". When's that going to be then? freefinker

10:29am Sun 9 Sep 12

southy says...

The brothers was often refered to as Jenkins in an unformal manor.

No names but they are not from the south, and you know the reason why. even the SWP has 1 or 2 members that belong to the Labour Party again from up north.

It takes time to get the message across, just look what happened in Greece the Real Socialist have gone from hand full of votes to being able to win the next general election, where people have slowly realise the Party thats been calling it self Socialist are not in reality they are Capitalist, and people swap there votes, The same could happen here in England where people who still think that Labour still repersents 40% Socialism in there economics and political policy, when in reality there is no Socialism in there policy or economics and have not been any for the last 25 years, and you got those that still believe that they can win back the Labour Party and return it to what it was, sooner or later these people realise and swap there vote, the same thing as started to happen in Spain also.
The Capitalist have taken over most the major political partys around the world.
The brothers was often refered to as Jenkins in an unformal manor. No names but they are not from the south, and you know the reason why. even the SWP has 1 or 2 members that belong to the Labour Party again from up north. It takes time to get the message across, just look what happened in Greece the Real Socialist have gone from hand full of votes to being able to win the next general election, where people have slowly realise the Party thats been calling it self Socialist are not in reality they are Capitalist, and people swap there votes, The same could happen here in England where people who still think that Labour still repersents 40% Socialism in there economics and political policy, when in reality there is no Socialism in there policy or economics and have not been any for the last 25 years, and you got those that still believe that they can win back the Labour Party and return it to what it was, sooner or later these people realise and swap there vote, the same thing as started to happen in Spain also. The Capitalist have taken over most the major political partys around the world. southy

10:48am Sun 9 Sep 12

freefinker says...

.. well, how dishonest of you Trotskyists. Claim in public to follow democratic Labour but privately are dictatorial Trots.

Entryism has ALWAYS been the policy of Trotskyists and you are still at it - despite being thoroughly purged in the Kinnock era 80's.

Why can’t you lot just be honest with the public? Hypocrites the lot of you.
Pretend to be one thing when you are actually something completely different.
.. well, how dishonest of you Trotskyists. Claim in public to follow democratic Labour but privately are dictatorial Trots. Entryism has ALWAYS been the policy of Trotskyists and you are still at it - despite being thoroughly purged in the Kinnock era 80's. Why can’t you lot just be honest with the public? Hypocrites the lot of you. Pretend to be one thing when you are actually something completely different. freefinker

10:55am Sun 9 Sep 12

southy says...

freefinker
have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went.
But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about.
They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.
freefinker have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went. But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about. They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda. southy

11:03am Sun 9 Sep 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
.. well, how dishonest of you Trotskyists. Claim in public to follow democratic Labour but privately are dictatorial Trots.

Entryism has ALWAYS been the policy of Trotskyists and you are still at it - despite being thoroughly purged in the Kinnock era 80's.

Why can’t you lot just be honest with the public? Hypocrites the lot of you.
Pretend to be one thing when you are actually something completely different.
The Labour party was set up by the Socialist party and a Railway Union and yet the founding partys have been kick out of the Labour Party.
One thing you find in common with all kinds of Socialist is that we will not have capitalist removed we allow them to keep having a say in matters.
Shame it can not be said about the Capitalist, Capitalism will have all Socialist removed and stop them from having any say in matters.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. well, how dishonest of you Trotskyists. Claim in public to follow democratic Labour but privately are dictatorial Trots. Entryism has ALWAYS been the policy of Trotskyists and you are still at it - despite being thoroughly purged in the Kinnock era 80's. Why can’t you lot just be honest with the public? Hypocrites the lot of you. Pretend to be one thing when you are actually something completely different.[/p][/quote]The Labour party was set up by the Socialist party and a Railway Union and yet the founding partys have been kick out of the Labour Party. One thing you find in common with all kinds of Socialist is that we will not have capitalist removed we allow them to keep having a say in matters. Shame it can not be said about the Capitalist, Capitalism will have all Socialist removed and stop them from having any say in matters. southy

12:52pm Sun 9 Sep 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker
have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went.
But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about.
They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.
.. red herring
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went. But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about. They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.[/p][/quote].. red herring freefinker

12:53pm Sun 9 Sep 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
.. well, how dishonest of you Trotskyists. Claim in public to follow democratic Labour but privately are dictatorial Trots.

Entryism has ALWAYS been the policy of Trotskyists and you are still at it - despite being thoroughly purged in the Kinnock era 80's.

Why can’t you lot just be honest with the public? Hypocrites the lot of you.
Pretend to be one thing when you are actually something completely different.
The Labour party was set up by the Socialist party and a Railway Union and yet the founding partys have been kick out of the Labour Party.
One thing you find in common with all kinds of Socialist is that we will not have capitalist removed we allow them to keep having a say in matters.
Shame it can not be said about the Capitalist, Capitalism will have all Socialist removed and stop them from having any say in matters.
.. more red herrings
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. well, how dishonest of you Trotskyists. Claim in public to follow democratic Labour but privately are dictatorial Trots. Entryism has ALWAYS been the policy of Trotskyists and you are still at it - despite being thoroughly purged in the Kinnock era 80's. Why can’t you lot just be honest with the public? Hypocrites the lot of you. Pretend to be one thing when you are actually something completely different.[/p][/quote]The Labour party was set up by the Socialist party and a Railway Union and yet the founding partys have been kick out of the Labour Party. One thing you find in common with all kinds of Socialist is that we will not have capitalist removed we allow them to keep having a say in matters. Shame it can not be said about the Capitalist, Capitalism will have all Socialist removed and stop them from having any say in matters.[/p][/quote].. more red herrings freefinker

2:14pm Sun 9 Sep 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
Yeh, of course they will!

We believe you Peter!!!

How gullible do you think we are? Loon.
Its in the manifest shoong, and we will do it, the MPs that belong to the socialist Party but are still in the Labour Party don't put in for any expenses, nore do they have the full £62,000 wage that is offered to the MP's they take half of that.

Even, Well if that is the real ex-councillor Peter Jenks will tell you what I told you We Will Do It cut the MP's and Lords Wages in half, we will do away with the Thatcher Expenses sheet and it will not get replace.
Big difference between the TUSC and all other Political Partys we will represent the majority and never the few.
Rubbish.

You will claim to take from the rich and give to the poor but somehow it will end up in your own pockets.

You will never win anything with prehistoric politics and ideals.

Represent the majority? Absolute crud, all you'll do is look after yourselves because anyone who isn't on your side is somehow the enemy.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]Yeh, of course they will! We believe you Peter!!! How gullible do you think we are? Loon.[/p][/quote]Its in the manifest shoong, and we will do it, the MPs that belong to the socialist Party but are still in the Labour Party don't put in for any expenses, nore do they have the full £62,000 wage that is offered to the MP's they take half of that. Even, Well if that is the real ex-councillor Peter Jenks will tell you what I told you We Will Do It cut the MP's and Lords Wages in half, we will do away with the Thatcher Expenses sheet and it will not get replace. Big difference between the TUSC and all other Political Partys we will represent the majority and never the few.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. You will claim to take from the rich and give to the poor but somehow it will end up in your own pockets. You will never win anything with prehistoric politics and ideals. Represent the majority? Absolute crud, all you'll do is look after yourselves because anyone who isn't on your side is somehow the enemy. Shoong

2:44pm Sun 9 Sep 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
.. well, how dishonest of you Trotskyists. Claim in public to follow democratic Labour but privately are dictatorial Trots.

Entryism has ALWAYS been the policy of Trotskyists and you are still at it - despite being thoroughly purged in the Kinnock era 80's.

Why can’t you lot just be honest with the public? Hypocrites the lot of you.
Pretend to be one thing when you are actually something completely different.
The Labour party was set up by the Socialist party and a Railway Union and yet the founding partys have been kick out of the Labour Party.
One thing you find in common with all kinds of Socialist is that we will not have capitalist removed we allow them to keep having a say in matters.
Shame it can not be said about the Capitalist, Capitalism will have all Socialist removed and stop them from having any say in matters.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. well, how dishonest of you Trotskyists. Claim in public to follow democratic Labour but privately are dictatorial Trots. Entryism has ALWAYS been the policy of Trotskyists and you are still at it - despite being thoroughly purged in the Kinnock era 80's. Why can’t you lot just be honest with the public? Hypocrites the lot of you. Pretend to be one thing when you are actually something completely different.[/p][/quote]The Labour party was set up by the Socialist party and a Railway Union and yet the founding partys have been kick out of the Labour Party. One thing you find in common with all kinds of Socialist is that we will not have capitalist removed we allow them to keep having a say in matters. Shame it can not be said about the Capitalist, Capitalism will have all Socialist removed and stop them from having any say in matters. southy

2:46pm Sun 9 Sep 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker
have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went.
But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about.
They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.
.. red herring
When you say things like red herring shows i am way ahead of you and you got a lot to learn about politics
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went. But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about. They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.[/p][/quote].. red herring[/p][/quote]When you say things like red herring shows i am way ahead of you and you got a lot to learn about politics southy

3:14pm Sun 9 Sep 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half
Yeh, of course they will!

We believe you Peter!!!

How gullible do you think we are? Loon.
Its in the manifest shoong, and we will do it, the MPs that belong to the socialist Party but are still in the Labour Party don't put in for any expenses, nore do they have the full £62,000 wage that is offered to the MP's they take half of that.

Even, Well if that is the real ex-councillor Peter Jenks will tell you what I told you We Will Do It cut the MP's and Lords Wages in half, we will do away with the Thatcher Expenses sheet and it will not get replace.
Big difference between the TUSC and all other Political Partys we will represent the majority and never the few.
Rubbish.

You will claim to take from the rich and give to the poor but somehow it will end up in your own pockets.

You will never win anything with prehistoric politics and ideals.

Represent the majority? Absolute crud, all you'll do is look after yourselves because anyone who isn't on your side is somehow the enemy.
prehistoric politics and ideals that is so funny when the real prehistoric politics and ideals is Capitalism its was the first type of Economics and Political Policy there is, Capitalism go's back to the early pagan days and had 100's of years being the only kind of Ecomonics and Political Policy.
Socialism people only started think about it in the 1700's, and it was the late 1800's before any thing was writen down.
Its no accident Socialism got its name from Social reform.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Put the TUSC in control of government and there will be no more expenses that M.Thatcher interduce and wages will be cut in half[/p][/quote]Yeh, of course they will! We believe you Peter!!! How gullible do you think we are? Loon.[/p][/quote]Its in the manifest shoong, and we will do it, the MPs that belong to the socialist Party but are still in the Labour Party don't put in for any expenses, nore do they have the full £62,000 wage that is offered to the MP's they take half of that. Even, Well if that is the real ex-councillor Peter Jenks will tell you what I told you We Will Do It cut the MP's and Lords Wages in half, we will do away with the Thatcher Expenses sheet and it will not get replace. Big difference between the TUSC and all other Political Partys we will represent the majority and never the few.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. You will claim to take from the rich and give to the poor but somehow it will end up in your own pockets. You will never win anything with prehistoric politics and ideals. Represent the majority? Absolute crud, all you'll do is look after yourselves because anyone who isn't on your side is somehow the enemy.[/p][/quote]prehistoric politics and ideals that is so funny when the real prehistoric politics and ideals is Capitalism its was the first type of Economics and Political Policy there is, Capitalism go's back to the early pagan days and had 100's of years being the only kind of Ecomonics and Political Policy. Socialism people only started think about it in the 1700's, and it was the late 1800's before any thing was writen down. Its no accident Socialism got its name from Social reform. southy

3:16pm Sun 9 Sep 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker
have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went.
But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about.
They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.
.. red herring
When you say things like red herring shows i am way ahead of you and you got a lot to learn about politics
Your deep understanding of politics has so far only impressed 200 people and I doubt whether their mental capacity is any greater than yours. Take heart from the trivial number of votes cast for other extremist/fringe/lun
atic parties as they give heart to their tiny following assuring them that things will change, mighty oaks from little acorns grow, Rome wasn't built in a day and the mood of the country is changing. I wish my life could be as simple as yours, perhaps I should retreat from reality?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went. But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about. They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.[/p][/quote].. red herring[/p][/quote]When you say things like red herring shows i am way ahead of you and you got a lot to learn about politics[/p][/quote]Your deep understanding of politics has so far only impressed 200 people and I doubt whether their mental capacity is any greater than yours. Take heart from the trivial number of votes cast for other extremist/fringe/lun atic parties as they give heart to their tiny following assuring them that things will change, mighty oaks from little acorns grow, Rome wasn't built in a day and the mood of the country is changing. I wish my life could be as simple as yours, perhaps I should retreat from reality? Torchie1

6:27pm Sun 9 Sep 12

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker
have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went.
But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about.
They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.
.. red herring
When you say things like red herring shows i am way ahead of you and you got a lot to learn about politics
Your deep understanding of politics has so far only impressed 200 people and I doubt whether their mental capacity is any greater than yours. Take heart from the trivial number of votes cast for other extremist/fringe/lun

atic parties as they give heart to their tiny following assuring them that things will change, mighty oaks from little acorns grow, Rome wasn't built in a day and the mood of the country is changing. I wish my life could be as simple as yours, perhaps I should retreat from reality?
Try living as most do on less than £20,000 a year, and only way you find out how the majority are thinking and saying and that is go on to the streets and talk to people, and ask and you find out what is p*** them off mostly.
Just because there are more right wing on this site than left wing, don't make the mistake that you are the majority because your not, your the minority.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went. But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about. They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.[/p][/quote].. red herring[/p][/quote]When you say things like red herring shows i am way ahead of you and you got a lot to learn about politics[/p][/quote]Your deep understanding of politics has so far only impressed 200 people and I doubt whether their mental capacity is any greater than yours. Take heart from the trivial number of votes cast for other extremist/fringe/lun atic parties as they give heart to their tiny following assuring them that things will change, mighty oaks from little acorns grow, Rome wasn't built in a day and the mood of the country is changing. I wish my life could be as simple as yours, perhaps I should retreat from reality?[/p][/quote]Try living as most do on less than £20,000 a year, and only way you find out how the majority are thinking and saying and that is go on to the streets and talk to people, and ask and you find out what is p*** them off mostly. Just because there are more right wing on this site than left wing, don't make the mistake that you are the majority because your not, your the minority. southy

7:32pm Sun 9 Sep 12

Scrutinizer says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote: .. well, how dishonest of you Trotskyists. Claim in public to follow democratic Labour but privately are dictatorial Trots. Entryism has ALWAYS been the policy of Trotskyists and you are still at it - despite being thoroughly purged in the Kinnock era 80's. Why can’t you lot just be honest with the public? Hypocrites the lot of you. Pretend to be one thing when you are actually something completely different.
The Labour party was set up by the Socialist party and a Railway Union and yet the founding partys have been kick out of the Labour Party. One thing you find in common with all kinds of Socialist is that we will not have capitalist removed we allow them to keep having a say in matters. Shame it can not be said about the Capitalist, Capitalism will have all Socialist removed and stop them from having any say in matters.
southy, If it hadn't been for the courageous drive and firm action of Neil Kinnock and his supporters, the Labour Party would have been in constant oposition - and rapidly declining - from that time right up to this day! By far the greater majority of people in Britain were nevergoing to vote for the likes Hatton, 'Red Robbo', Scargil, MGahey and co. (closely followed by Michael Foot and Tony Benn), who were nothing but a complete bunch of nutters with little to no idea of economic savvy. Not that the present generation of politicians in this country have much - but at least they won't be quite taking us back to the Stone Age - unlike your lot's policies, which would make it an odds on dead cert'! P.s. Oh, and I'm sure you and your political brethren would allow capitalists to continue having "...a say in matters" - yes, from a concentration camp somewhere in the barren Highlands of Scotland!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. well, how dishonest of you Trotskyists. Claim in public to follow democratic Labour but privately are dictatorial Trots. Entryism has ALWAYS been the policy of Trotskyists and you are still at it - despite being thoroughly purged in the Kinnock era 80's. Why can’t you lot just be honest with the public? Hypocrites the lot of you. Pretend to be one thing when you are actually something completely different.[/p][/quote]The Labour party was set up by the Socialist party and a Railway Union and yet the founding partys have been kick out of the Labour Party. One thing you find in common with all kinds of Socialist is that we will not have capitalist removed we allow them to keep having a say in matters. Shame it can not be said about the Capitalist, Capitalism will have all Socialist removed and stop them from having any say in matters.[/p][/quote]southy, If it hadn't been for the courageous drive and firm action of Neil Kinnock and his supporters, the Labour Party would have been in constant oposition - and rapidly declining - from that time right up to this day! By far the greater majority of people in Britain were nevergoing to vote for the likes Hatton, 'Red Robbo', Scargil, MGahey and co. (closely followed by Michael Foot and Tony Benn), who were nothing but a complete bunch of nutters with little to no idea of economic savvy. Not that the present generation of politicians in this country have much - but at least they won't be quite taking us back to the Stone Age - unlike your lot's policies, which would make it an odds on dead cert'! P.s. Oh, and I'm sure you and your political brethren would allow capitalists to continue having "...a say in matters" - yes, from a concentration camp somewhere in the barren Highlands of Scotland! Scrutinizer

7:32pm Sun 9 Sep 12

Scrutinizer says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote: .. well, how dishonest of you Trotskyists. Claim in public to follow democratic Labour but privately are dictatorial Trots. Entryism has ALWAYS been the policy of Trotskyists and you are still at it - despite being thoroughly purged in the Kinnock era 80's. Why can’t you lot just be honest with the public? Hypocrites the lot of you. Pretend to be one thing when you are actually something completely different.
The Labour party was set up by the Socialist party and a Railway Union and yet the founding partys have been kick out of the Labour Party. One thing you find in common with all kinds of Socialist is that we will not have capitalist removed we allow them to keep having a say in matters. Shame it can not be said about the Capitalist, Capitalism will have all Socialist removed and stop them from having any say in matters.
southy, If it hadn't been for the courageous drive and firm action of Neil Kinnock and his supporters, the Labour Party would have been in constant oposition - and rapidly declining - from that time right up to this day! By far the greater majority of people in Britain were nevergoing to vote for the likes Hatton, 'Red Robbo', Scargil, MGahey and co. (closely followed by Michael Foot and Tony Benn), who were nothing but a complete bunch of nutters with little to no idea of economic savvy. Not that the present generation of politicians in this country have much - but at least they won't be quite taking us back to the Stone Age - unlike your lot's policies, which would make it an odds on dead cert'! P.s. Oh, and I'm sure you and your political brethren would allow capitalists to continue having "...a say in matters" - yes, from a concentration camp somewhere in the barren Highlands of Scotland!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. well, how dishonest of you Trotskyists. Claim in public to follow democratic Labour but privately are dictatorial Trots. Entryism has ALWAYS been the policy of Trotskyists and you are still at it - despite being thoroughly purged in the Kinnock era 80's. Why can’t you lot just be honest with the public? Hypocrites the lot of you. Pretend to be one thing when you are actually something completely different.[/p][/quote]The Labour party was set up by the Socialist party and a Railway Union and yet the founding partys have been kick out of the Labour Party. One thing you find in common with all kinds of Socialist is that we will not have capitalist removed we allow them to keep having a say in matters. Shame it can not be said about the Capitalist, Capitalism will have all Socialist removed and stop them from having any say in matters.[/p][/quote]southy, If it hadn't been for the courageous drive and firm action of Neil Kinnock and his supporters, the Labour Party would have been in constant oposition - and rapidly declining - from that time right up to this day! By far the greater majority of people in Britain were nevergoing to vote for the likes Hatton, 'Red Robbo', Scargil, MGahey and co. (closely followed by Michael Foot and Tony Benn), who were nothing but a complete bunch of nutters with little to no idea of economic savvy. Not that the present generation of politicians in this country have much - but at least they won't be quite taking us back to the Stone Age - unlike your lot's policies, which would make it an odds on dead cert'! P.s. Oh, and I'm sure you and your political brethren would allow capitalists to continue having "...a say in matters" - yes, from a concentration camp somewhere in the barren Highlands of Scotland! Scrutinizer

7:38pm Sun 9 Sep 12

IronLady2010 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker
have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went.
But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about.
They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.
.. red herring
When you say things like red herring shows i am way ahead of you and you got a lot to learn about politics
Your deep understanding of politics has so far only impressed 200 people and I doubt whether their mental capacity is any greater than yours. Take heart from the trivial number of votes cast for other extremist/fringe/lun


atic parties as they give heart to their tiny following assuring them that things will change, mighty oaks from little acorns grow, Rome wasn't built in a day and the mood of the country is changing. I wish my life could be as simple as yours, perhaps I should retreat from reality?
Try living as most do on less than £20,000 a year, and only way you find out how the majority are thinking and saying and that is go on to the streets and talk to people, and ask and you find out what is p*** them off mostly.
Just because there are more right wing on this site than left wing, don't make the mistake that you are the majority because your not, your the minority.
Southy many people earn less than £20k a year, infact £20k is a lot of money to many people.

Those who serve you food in supermarkets, sell you your clothes etc will most likely earn a lot less than £20k.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went. But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about. They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.[/p][/quote].. red herring[/p][/quote]When you say things like red herring shows i am way ahead of you and you got a lot to learn about politics[/p][/quote]Your deep understanding of politics has so far only impressed 200 people and I doubt whether their mental capacity is any greater than yours. Take heart from the trivial number of votes cast for other extremist/fringe/lun atic parties as they give heart to their tiny following assuring them that things will change, mighty oaks from little acorns grow, Rome wasn't built in a day and the mood of the country is changing. I wish my life could be as simple as yours, perhaps I should retreat from reality?[/p][/quote]Try living as most do on less than £20,000 a year, and only way you find out how the majority are thinking and saying and that is go on to the streets and talk to people, and ask and you find out what is p*** them off mostly. Just because there are more right wing on this site than left wing, don't make the mistake that you are the majority because your not, your the minority.[/p][/quote]Southy many people earn less than £20k a year, infact £20k is a lot of money to many people. Those who serve you food in supermarkets, sell you your clothes etc will most likely earn a lot less than £20k. IronLady2010

7:55pm Sun 9 Sep 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker
have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went.
But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about.
They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.
.. red herring
When you say things like red herring shows i am way ahead of you and you got a lot to learn about politics
Your deep understanding of politics has so far only impressed 200 people and I doubt whether their mental capacity is any greater than yours. Take heart from the trivial number of votes cast for other extremist/fringe/lun


atic parties as they give heart to their tiny following assuring them that things will change, mighty oaks from little acorns grow, Rome wasn't built in a day and the mood of the country is changing. I wish my life could be as simple as yours, perhaps I should retreat from reality?
Try living as most do on less than £20,000 a year, and only way you find out how the majority are thinking and saying and that is go on to the streets and talk to people, and ask and you find out what is p*** them off mostly.
Just because there are more right wing on this site than left wing, don't make the mistake that you are the majority because your not, your the minority.
All you need to discover then is how the evil right wing governments keep getting elected when you get a derisory 200 votes. It's so simple to get in to power, all you have to do is present a credible plan that appeals to the majority of the electorate instead of the gibberish that you continually trot out and you'll be the next Minister of Education.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went. But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about. They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.[/p][/quote].. red herring[/p][/quote]When you say things like red herring shows i am way ahead of you and you got a lot to learn about politics[/p][/quote]Your deep understanding of politics has so far only impressed 200 people and I doubt whether their mental capacity is any greater than yours. Take heart from the trivial number of votes cast for other extremist/fringe/lun atic parties as they give heart to their tiny following assuring them that things will change, mighty oaks from little acorns grow, Rome wasn't built in a day and the mood of the country is changing. I wish my life could be as simple as yours, perhaps I should retreat from reality?[/p][/quote]Try living as most do on less than £20,000 a year, and only way you find out how the majority are thinking and saying and that is go on to the streets and talk to people, and ask and you find out what is p*** them off mostly. Just because there are more right wing on this site than left wing, don't make the mistake that you are the majority because your not, your the minority.[/p][/quote]All you need to discover then is how the evil right wing governments keep getting elected when you get a derisory 200 votes. It's so simple to get in to power, all you have to do is present a credible plan that appeals to the majority of the electorate instead of the gibberish that you continually trot out and you'll be the next Minister of Education. Torchie1

9:27am Mon 10 Sep 12

freefinker says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker
have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went.
But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about.
They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.
.. red herring
When you say things like red herring shows i am way ahead of you and you got a lot to learn about politics
Your deep understanding of politics has so far only impressed 200 people and I doubt whether their mental capacity is any greater than yours. Take heart from the trivial number of votes cast for other extremist/fringe/lun



atic parties as they give heart to their tiny following assuring them that things will change, mighty oaks from little acorns grow, Rome wasn't built in a day and the mood of the country is changing. I wish my life could be as simple as yours, perhaps I should retreat from reality?
Try living as most do on less than £20,000 a year, and only way you find out how the majority are thinking and saying and that is go on to the streets and talk to people, and ask and you find out what is p*** them off mostly.
Just because there are more right wing on this site than left wing, don't make the mistake that you are the majority because your not, your the minority.
All you need to discover then is how the evil right wing governments keep getting elected when you get a derisory 200 votes. It's so simple to get in to power, all you have to do is present a credible plan that appeals to the majority of the electorate instead of the gibberish that you continually trot out and you'll be the next Minister of Education.
.. lol, was the 'trot out' pun intended?
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went. But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about. They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.[/p][/quote].. red herring[/p][/quote]When you say things like red herring shows i am way ahead of you and you got a lot to learn about politics[/p][/quote]Your deep understanding of politics has so far only impressed 200 people and I doubt whether their mental capacity is any greater than yours. Take heart from the trivial number of votes cast for other extremist/fringe/lun atic parties as they give heart to their tiny following assuring them that things will change, mighty oaks from little acorns grow, Rome wasn't built in a day and the mood of the country is changing. I wish my life could be as simple as yours, perhaps I should retreat from reality?[/p][/quote]Try living as most do on less than £20,000 a year, and only way you find out how the majority are thinking and saying and that is go on to the streets and talk to people, and ask and you find out what is p*** them off mostly. Just because there are more right wing on this site than left wing, don't make the mistake that you are the majority because your not, your the minority.[/p][/quote]All you need to discover then is how the evil right wing governments keep getting elected when you get a derisory 200 votes. It's so simple to get in to power, all you have to do is present a credible plan that appeals to the majority of the electorate instead of the gibberish that you continually trot out and you'll be the next Minister of Education.[/p][/quote].. lol, was the 'trot out' pun intended? freefinker

10:15am Mon 10 Sep 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker
have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went.
But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about.
They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.
.. red herring
When you say things like red herring shows i am way ahead of you and you got a lot to learn about politics
.. southy, you are ‘ahead’ of no one on almost every topic you care to choose, politics definitely included.

You must stop having these delusions; it does you and your cause no good at all.

You had a very limited education and have learn almost nothing since.

You may know more than most on rigging, but that’s the limit of your superiority over the others who post on this site.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker have you ever heard of the Bilderberg meetings (its a far right wing group), its had that name now since 1945 but is much older, there are 2 circles to the Bilderberg group those that sit on the Committee (the inner circle) and do the agenda and the invites to the outter circle meetings and selects who gives the speaches and on what subject, One Labour MP who got the invite to the meeting but refuse to go was J. Smith at the same time N. Kinnoch was invited he went. But I been reseaching this group since 1983 when I first heard Thatcher was invited to go and went in 1976 and again in 1978, I wondered what they was they all about. They make for interesting reading, worth very while in finding out about them and there agenda, the EU, Amero and that south american union is all part of there agenda.[/p][/quote].. red herring[/p][/quote]When you say things like red herring shows i am way ahead of you and you got a lot to learn about politics[/p][/quote].. southy, you are ‘ahead’ of no one on almost every topic you care to choose, politics definitely included. You must stop having these delusions; it does you and your cause no good at all. You had a very limited education and have learn almost nothing since. You may know more than most on rigging, but that’s the limit of your superiority over the others who post on this site. freefinker

9:37pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Bartat says...

How do you claim it's over with the Marmite Mates fiasco still running seven years after he took the bung and over 2 years since he needed the second home in London? Clear that backlog before claiming it's over!
How do you claim it's over with the Marmite Mates fiasco still running seven years after he took the bung and over 2 years since he needed the second home in London? Clear that backlog before claiming it's over! Bartat

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