Staff at Elite Transport in Eling told of job losses just before Christmas

First published in New Forest Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Education Reporter

FURIOUS staff at a Hampshire transport firm have been hit by a “heartless” festive bombshell after being told they are losing their jobs immediately.

The 50 stunned workers at Elite Transport Services have been told the company is closing its depots at Southampton and Felixstowe, blaming a drop in business that has made them unviable.

Elite Transport boasts on its website of being one of the UK’s “top five container transport specialists” with a turnover of more than £40m.

It says: “Our reputation for providing quality services in the time-critical industry of container logistics is paramount to our success so far and is key to our plans for continued future growth.”

But drivers and office workers contracted to the logistics firms were called in at 7.30am on Saturday for a meeting at the Eling Wharf depot in Totton, where they were told the grim news they are losing their jobs.

One worker, who asked to remain anonymous, told the Daily Echo staff are “disgusted” at the way they have been treated.

He said staff have been promised they will be paid up until the end of the year, and would be losing their jobs straight away.

The angry employee said: “We had no warnings. We’ve had no consultation or anything.

“We just got a letter saying they’re ending our employment.

“It’s very heartless and shows no respect for long-serving members, or any members, really – there are some of the younger members with mortgages and bills to pay.

“Quite a few are absolutely disgusted by it. When you work for somebody for a long time and get treated like that it isn’t very nice.

“Two or three years ago the managing director came down to plead with us all to take a ten per cent pay cut, which we all agreed to because we wanted to avoid redundancies, but when it’s telling us we’re not wanted he left that to the regional manager.”

A company spokesman at Totton confirmed the depot is ceasing operations, except for keeping subcontractors going from the site.

He said: “It’s basically down to the work coming out of Southampton. There’s not enough for the size of the fleet.”

But he said he would not discuss redundancy payments, as that is dealt with by head office.

Calls to the Manchester office were not answered.

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10:12am Thu 27 Dec 12

southy says...

Getting ready for the switch over to hub ports
Getting ready for the switch over to hub ports southy
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11:22am Thu 27 Dec 12

anderoo says...

No time is a good time to be told that you are going to lose your job, just feels worse this time of year. Did hear that when the trucks were going into dealers for servicing, that the dealers were not releasing them back due to unpaid bills, and that drivers had not been paid for a couple of weeks.
No time is a good time to be told that you are going to lose your job, just feels worse this time of year. Did hear that when the trucks were going into dealers for servicing, that the dealers were not releasing them back due to unpaid bills, and that drivers had not been paid for a couple of weeks. anderoo
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11:22am Thu 27 Dec 12

bazzeroz says...

I wish the 'Christmas time' sympathy route would stop being used. Ffs any time is bad to be losing your job. Easter's next so no doubt that one will be thrown into the mix. Sorry to hear this job loss news. Things are tough.
I wish the 'Christmas time' sympathy route would stop being used. Ffs any time is bad to be losing your job. Easter's next so no doubt that one will be thrown into the mix. Sorry to hear this job loss news. Things are tough. bazzeroz
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11:25am Thu 27 Dec 12

hulla baloo says...

southy wrote:
Getting ready for the switch over to hub ports
Any business will do what it needs to reduce costs and keep viable. If it means hub ports, then that will come.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Getting ready for the switch over to hub ports[/p][/quote]Any business will do what it needs to reduce costs and keep viable. If it means hub ports, then that will come. hulla baloo
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11:57am Thu 27 Dec 12

southy says...

hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
Getting ready for the switch over to hub ports
Any business will do what it needs to reduce costs and keep viable. If it means hub ports, then that will come.
Yes they will, they will not return the loyality that there front line workers have shown them, so insted they hold back till the last moment and stab them in the back.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Getting ready for the switch over to hub ports[/p][/quote]Any business will do what it needs to reduce costs and keep viable. If it means hub ports, then that will come.[/p][/quote]Yes they will, they will not return the loyality that there front line workers have shown them, so insted they hold back till the last moment and stab them in the back. southy
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12:03pm Thu 27 Dec 12

hulla baloo says...

southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
Getting ready for the switch over to hub ports
Any business will do what it needs to reduce costs and keep viable. If it means hub ports, then that will come.
Yes they will, they will not return the loyality that there front line workers have shown them, so insted they hold back till the last moment and stab them in the back.
Not necessarily stabbbing in the back. For all you know, the management could have been working 'behind the scenes' trying to find a solution or alternatives, whilst going deeper into the red and this is the last resort.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Getting ready for the switch over to hub ports[/p][/quote]Any business will do what it needs to reduce costs and keep viable. If it means hub ports, then that will come.[/p][/quote]Yes they will, they will not return the loyality that there front line workers have shown them, so insted they hold back till the last moment and stab them in the back.[/p][/quote]Not necessarily stabbbing in the back. For all you know, the management could have been working 'behind the scenes' trying to find a solution or alternatives, whilst going deeper into the red and this is the last resort. hulla baloo
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12:06pm Thu 27 Dec 12

loosehead says...

Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port?
biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size.
this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe?
So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port?
Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket?
I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy
Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port? biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size. this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe? So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port? Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket? I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy loosehead
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12:11pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Delboy67 says...

Jobs blow!!! I almost choked on my turkey sandwich then.
Jobs blow!!! I almost choked on my turkey sandwich then. Delboy67
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12:13pm Thu 27 Dec 12

southy says...

hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
Getting ready for the switch over to hub ports
Any business will do what it needs to reduce costs and keep viable. If it means hub ports, then that will come.
Yes they will, they will not return the loyality that there front line workers have shown them, so insted they hold back till the last moment and stab them in the back.
Not necessarily stabbbing in the back. For all you know, the management could have been working 'behind the scenes' trying to find a solution or alternatives, whilst going deeper into the red and this is the last resort.
Thats just it hulla they are not, I had heard some thing was going on about a mth ago, and the only work they been thinking about is the new contact that will open up when that container port is open for business on the Thames, they are getting ready for the move.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Getting ready for the switch over to hub ports[/p][/quote]Any business will do what it needs to reduce costs and keep viable. If it means hub ports, then that will come.[/p][/quote]Yes they will, they will not return the loyality that there front line workers have shown them, so insted they hold back till the last moment and stab them in the back.[/p][/quote]Not necessarily stabbbing in the back. For all you know, the management could have been working 'behind the scenes' trying to find a solution or alternatives, whilst going deeper into the red and this is the last resort.[/p][/quote]Thats just it hulla they are not, I had heard some thing was going on about a mth ago, and the only work they been thinking about is the new contact that will open up when that container port is open for business on the Thames, they are getting ready for the move. southy
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12:24pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
Getting ready for the switch over to hub ports
Any business will do what it needs to reduce costs and keep viable. If it means hub ports, then that will come.
Yes they will, they will not return the loyality that there front line workers have shown them, so insted they hold back till the last moment and stab them in the back.
Not necessarily stabbbing in the back. For all you know, the management could have been working 'behind the scenes' trying to find a solution or alternatives, whilst going deeper into the red and this is the last resort.
Thats just it hulla they are not, I had heard some thing was going on about a mth ago, and the only work they been thinking about is the new contact that will open up when that container port is open for business on the Thames, they are getting ready for the move.
Any business must move with the times and modernise or it will go under. No job can be guaranteed but the drivers have a qualification that will always be in demand as long as goods are moved on roads. As for loyalty, how much is shown by the employee who jumps ship for more money that their current employer can't afford to pay?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Getting ready for the switch over to hub ports[/p][/quote]Any business will do what it needs to reduce costs and keep viable. If it means hub ports, then that will come.[/p][/quote]Yes they will, they will not return the loyality that there front line workers have shown them, so insted they hold back till the last moment and stab them in the back.[/p][/quote]Not necessarily stabbbing in the back. For all you know, the management could have been working 'behind the scenes' trying to find a solution or alternatives, whilst going deeper into the red and this is the last resort.[/p][/quote]Thats just it hulla they are not, I had heard some thing was going on about a mth ago, and the only work they been thinking about is the new contact that will open up when that container port is open for business on the Thames, they are getting ready for the move.[/p][/quote]Any business must move with the times and modernise or it will go under. No job can be guaranteed but the drivers have a qualification that will always be in demand as long as goods are moved on roads. As for loyalty, how much is shown by the employee who jumps ship for more money that their current employer can't afford to pay? Torchie1
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12:25pm Thu 27 Dec 12

hulla baloo says...

southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
Getting ready for the switch over to hub ports
Any business will do what it needs to reduce costs and keep viable. If it means hub ports, then that will come.
Yes they will, they will not return the loyality that there front line workers have shown them, so insted they hold back till the last moment and stab them in the back.
Not necessarily stabbbing in the back. For all you know, the management could have been working 'behind the scenes' trying to find a solution or alternatives, whilst going deeper into the red and this is the last resort.
Thats just it hulla they are not, I had heard some thing was going on about a mth ago, and the only work they been thinking about is the new contact that will open up when that container port is open for business on the Thames, they are getting ready for the move.
I am sure you are not privvy to all the info and goings on, so not sure how you claim otherwise. If they are moving, so be it, Its business.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Getting ready for the switch over to hub ports[/p][/quote]Any business will do what it needs to reduce costs and keep viable. If it means hub ports, then that will come.[/p][/quote]Yes they will, they will not return the loyality that there front line workers have shown them, so insted they hold back till the last moment and stab them in the back.[/p][/quote]Not necessarily stabbbing in the back. For all you know, the management could have been working 'behind the scenes' trying to find a solution or alternatives, whilst going deeper into the red and this is the last resort.[/p][/quote]Thats just it hulla they are not, I had heard some thing was going on about a mth ago, and the only work they been thinking about is the new contact that will open up when that container port is open for business on the Thames, they are getting ready for the move.[/p][/quote]I am sure you are not privvy to all the info and goings on, so not sure how you claim otherwise. If they are moving, so be it, Its business. hulla baloo
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12:31pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Nod says...

Thamesport has been open since 1990.

Felixstowe is a pain in the proverbial to ship into, transport links it takes to long to get to the main road network.

Southampton, Tilbury and Thamesport are the best ports to ship into as they have the best access to elsewhere in the country.

Southampton though have done themselves a disservice by cranking up the cost of port Health inspection to a very high level.
Thamesport has been open since 1990. Felixstowe is a pain in the proverbial to ship into, transport links it takes to long to get to the main road network. Southampton, Tilbury and Thamesport are the best ports to ship into as they have the best access to elsewhere in the country. Southampton though have done themselves a disservice by cranking up the cost of port Health inspection to a very high level. Nod
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12:32pm Thu 27 Dec 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port?
biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size.
this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe?
So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port?
Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket?
I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy
Its not crap loose and i think you know that your self, this is not the first company that is heading towards shellheaven. which will be the hub port.
And what called in the other day was the widest ship and I been informed the widest that Southampton can take, and any wider and new cranes will be needed, and the channel will also need to be wider, container ships will become longer and wider. way to big for Southampton, Southampton as limitations like all ports do, and those limitations are smaller than for ports on the Thames and Severn Estuary where the channels are a lot wider and naturally deeper and that have a much higher tide.
Think before you post again, biggest as in it carrys more containers, but it is not the longest, the longest container ships will not come to Southampton
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port? biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size. this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe? So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port? Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket? I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy[/p][/quote]Its not crap loose and i think you know that your self, this is not the first company that is heading towards shellheaven. which will be the hub port. And what called in the other day was the widest ship and I been informed the widest that Southampton can take, and any wider and new cranes will be needed, and the channel will also need to be wider, container ships will become longer and wider. way to big for Southampton, Southampton as limitations like all ports do, and those limitations are smaller than for ports on the Thames and Severn Estuary where the channels are a lot wider and naturally deeper and that have a much higher tide. Think before you post again, biggest as in it carrys more containers, but it is not the longest, the longest container ships will not come to Southampton southy
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12:46pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Nod says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port?
biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size.
this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe?
So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port?
Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket?
I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy
Its not crap loose and i think you know that your self, this is not the first company that is heading towards shellheaven. which will be the hub port.
And what called in the other day was the widest ship and I been informed the widest that Southampton can take, and any wider and new cranes will be needed, and the channel will also need to be wider, container ships will become longer and wider. way to big for Southampton, Southampton as limitations like all ports do, and those limitations are smaller than for ports on the Thames and Severn Estuary where the channels are a lot wider and naturally deeper and that have a much higher tide.
Think before you post again, biggest as in it carrys more containers, but it is not the longest, the longest container ships will not come to Southampton
The Marco polo is the container ship that holds the most capacity. it is 171 cm (yes CENTIMETRES) shorter in length than the maersk E class vessels
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port? biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size. this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe? So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port? Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket? I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy[/p][/quote]Its not crap loose and i think you know that your self, this is not the first company that is heading towards shellheaven. which will be the hub port. And what called in the other day was the widest ship and I been informed the widest that Southampton can take, and any wider and new cranes will be needed, and the channel will also need to be wider, container ships will become longer and wider. way to big for Southampton, Southampton as limitations like all ports do, and those limitations are smaller than for ports on the Thames and Severn Estuary where the channels are a lot wider and naturally deeper and that have a much higher tide. Think before you post again, biggest as in it carrys more containers, but it is not the longest, the longest container ships will not come to Southampton[/p][/quote]The Marco polo is the container ship that holds the most capacity. it is 171 cm (yes CENTIMETRES) shorter in length than the maersk E class vessels Nod
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1:43pm Thu 27 Dec 12

southy says...

Nod wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port?
biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size.
this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe?
So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port?
Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket?
I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy
Its not crap loose and i think you know that your self, this is not the first company that is heading towards shellheaven. which will be the hub port.
And what called in the other day was the widest ship and I been informed the widest that Southampton can take, and any wider and new cranes will be needed, and the channel will also need to be wider, container ships will become longer and wider. way to big for Southampton, Southampton as limitations like all ports do, and those limitations are smaller than for ports on the Thames and Severn Estuary where the channels are a lot wider and naturally deeper and that have a much higher tide.
Think before you post again, biggest as in it carrys more containers, but it is not the longest, the longest container ships will not come to Southampton
The Marco polo is the container ship that holds the most capacity. it is 171 cm (yes CENTIMETRES) shorter in length than the maersk E class vessels
the Emma is 15 foot longer at the wave breaker to the rudder, but only longer of 171 cm between the prow and stern.
Do that help you to under stand more, and even an inch can make a big difference when you talk about ships.
[quote][p][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port? biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size. this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe? So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port? Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket? I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy[/p][/quote]Its not crap loose and i think you know that your self, this is not the first company that is heading towards shellheaven. which will be the hub port. And what called in the other day was the widest ship and I been informed the widest that Southampton can take, and any wider and new cranes will be needed, and the channel will also need to be wider, container ships will become longer and wider. way to big for Southampton, Southampton as limitations like all ports do, and those limitations are smaller than for ports on the Thames and Severn Estuary where the channels are a lot wider and naturally deeper and that have a much higher tide. Think before you post again, biggest as in it carrys more containers, but it is not the longest, the longest container ships will not come to Southampton[/p][/quote]The Marco polo is the container ship that holds the most capacity. it is 171 cm (yes CENTIMETRES) shorter in length than the maersk E class vessels[/p][/quote]the Emma is 15 foot longer at the wave breaker to the rudder, but only longer of 171 cm between the prow and stern. Do that help you to under stand more, and even an inch can make a big difference when you talk about ships. southy
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1:51pm Thu 27 Dec 12

southy says...

hulla baloo you know one of the things to do to find out things and what is going on, and that is doing political stalls, people come up and talk to you they tell you things whats is going on in there place of work or whats going on with a company that they deal with.
Try it do a political stall talk and listen to people find out what is going on and where.
hulla baloo you know one of the things to do to find out things and what is going on, and that is doing political stalls, people come up and talk to you they tell you things whats is going on in there place of work or whats going on with a company that they deal with. Try it do a political stall talk and listen to people find out what is going on and where. southy
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1:53pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Mollydolls23 says...

My husband lost his job with Elite last Saturday..... If they had paid what they owed ie Redundancy and Notice pay as they should have it may not have been such a blow ... they have not ceased trading but the Drivers' have been told they have to apply for a RP1 form to get it from the Government ... If they had NO money they would cease trading .... so they can choose to not pay it and the Tax/NI payer has to stump up for them??
My husband lost his job with Elite last Saturday..... If they had paid what they owed ie Redundancy and Notice pay as they should have it may not have been such a blow ... they have not ceased trading but the Drivers' have been told they have to apply for a RP1 form to get it from the Government ... If they had NO money they would cease trading .... so they can choose to not pay it and the Tax/NI payer has to stump up for them?? Mollydolls23
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2:44pm Thu 27 Dec 12

chunky_lover says...

It's always a difficult decision as an employer laying staff off, however, it is a last resort and not pleasant for anyone involved, ever.

The best advice to anyone who has lost their job is how they react to it will shape their future.
It's always a difficult decision as an employer laying staff off, however, it is a last resort and not pleasant for anyone involved, ever. The best advice to anyone who has lost their job is how they react to it will shape their future. chunky_lover
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3:42pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Boatman says...

There are some puzzling features in this report.
The staff involved are at various times referred to as 'staff', 'workers' and 'employees'. Are they employees? If so then the company is clearly in breach of their statutory duty to consult - with 50 involved should be at least 30 days.
If they are employees then it is a redundancy, they are entitled to their statutory (contractual if better terms) notice and redundancy pay which, unless the company is in administration or insolvent should be paid by the company.
So are they employees? If any of them read this and believe that their statutory or contractual rights are being breached I suggest that they contact their nearest CAB asap. The Totton office is but a short step from the Eling depot
There are some puzzling features in this report. The staff involved are at various times referred to as 'staff', 'workers' and 'employees'. Are they employees? If so then the company is clearly in breach of their statutory duty to consult - with 50 involved should be at least 30 days. If they are employees then it is a redundancy, they are entitled to their statutory (contractual if better terms) notice and redundancy pay which, unless the company is in administration or insolvent should be paid by the company. So are they employees? If any of them read this and believe that their statutory or contractual rights are being breached I suggest that they contact their nearest CAB asap. The Totton office is but a short step from the Eling depot Boatman
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3:54pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

With ever changing business environment firms have to adopt according to market's requirements. But good management would have kept the workers informed about the situation.

Considering these workers have been cooperating with bosses, as they even accepted 10% pay cut when cost of living is going up, why the bosses could not keep them well informed, rather than shocking them with bad news unexpectedly?

As for some contributor on this site suggesting that drivers have HGV licences or 'qualifications' so they will get another job. If there were that many jobs in around these workers would not have accepted pay cuts, which they did to save the very jobs, which have now disappeared.
With ever changing business environment firms have to adopt according to market's requirements. But good management would have kept the workers informed about the situation. Considering these workers have been cooperating with bosses, as they even accepted 10% pay cut when cost of living is going up, why the bosses could not keep them well informed, rather than shocking them with bad news unexpectedly? As for some contributor on this site suggesting that drivers have HGV licences or 'qualifications' so they will get another job. If there were that many jobs in around these workers would not have accepted pay cuts, which they did to save the very jobs, which have now disappeared. Paramjit Bahia
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4:05pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Mollydolls23 wrote:
My husband lost his job with Elite last Saturday..... If they had paid what they owed ie Redundancy and Notice pay as they should have it may not have been such a blow ... they have not ceased trading but the Drivers' have been told they have to apply for a RP1 form to get it from the Government ... If they had NO money they would cease trading .... so they can choose to not pay it and the Tax/NI payer has to stump up for them??
Your husband his colleagues and their families deserve full sympathy.

Sadly these days disturbingly large number of people are in similar situation due to economic situation created by pure greed based system, in which those who created the crisis are looked after by government but us, the workers are made to pay the price.
[quote][p][bold]Mollydolls23[/bold] wrote: My husband lost his job with Elite last Saturday..... If they had paid what they owed ie Redundancy and Notice pay as they should have it may not have been such a blow ... they have not ceased trading but the Drivers' have been told they have to apply for a RP1 form to get it from the Government ... If they had NO money they would cease trading .... so they can choose to not pay it and the Tax/NI payer has to stump up for them??[/p][/quote]Your husband his colleagues and their families deserve full sympathy. Sadly these days disturbingly large number of people are in similar situation due to economic situation created by pure greed based system, in which those who created the crisis are looked after by government but us, the workers are made to pay the price. Paramjit Bahia
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4:06pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Torchie1 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
With ever changing business environment firms have to adopt according to market's requirements. But good management would have kept the workers informed about the situation.

Considering these workers have been cooperating with bosses, as they even accepted 10% pay cut when cost of living is going up, why the bosses could not keep them well informed, rather than shocking them with bad news unexpectedly?

As for some contributor on this site suggesting that drivers have HGV licences or 'qualifications' so they will get another job. If there were that many jobs in around these workers would not have accepted pay cuts, which they did to save the very jobs, which have now disappeared.
"If there were that many jobs in around "
Try Googling 'Easy as HGV'.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: With ever changing business environment firms have to adopt according to market's requirements. But good management would have kept the workers informed about the situation. Considering these workers have been cooperating with bosses, as they even accepted 10% pay cut when cost of living is going up, why the bosses could not keep them well informed, rather than shocking them with bad news unexpectedly? As for some contributor on this site suggesting that drivers have HGV licences or 'qualifications' so they will get another job. If there were that many jobs in around these workers would not have accepted pay cuts, which they did to save the very jobs, which have now disappeared.[/p][/quote]"If there were that many jobs in around " Try Googling 'Easy as HGV'. Torchie1
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4:36pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Boatman says...

Mollydolls23 wrote:
My husband lost his job with Elite last Saturday..... If they had paid what they owed ie Redundancy and Notice pay as they should have it may not have been such a blow ... they have not ceased trading but the Drivers' have been told they have to apply for a RP1 form to get it from the Government ... If they had NO money they would cease trading .... so they can choose to not pay it and the Tax/NI payer has to stump up for them??
@Mollydolls23
Do please read my post above. Your husband may have a claim for wrongful dismissal. The company are liable for notice and redundancy pay unless in administration or insolvent.
[quote][p][bold]Mollydolls23[/bold] wrote: My husband lost his job with Elite last Saturday..... If they had paid what they owed ie Redundancy and Notice pay as they should have it may not have been such a blow ... they have not ceased trading but the Drivers' have been told they have to apply for a RP1 form to get it from the Government ... If they had NO money they would cease trading .... so they can choose to not pay it and the Tax/NI payer has to stump up for them??[/p][/quote]@Mollydolls23 Do please read my post above. Your husband may have a claim for wrongful dismissal. The company are liable for notice and redundancy pay unless in administration or insolvent. Boatman
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4:36pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Boatman says...

Mollydolls23 wrote:
My husband lost his job with Elite last Saturday..... If they had paid what they owed ie Redundancy and Notice pay as they should have it may not have been such a blow ... they have not ceased trading but the Drivers' have been told they have to apply for a RP1 form to get it from the Government ... If they had NO money they would cease trading .... so they can choose to not pay it and the Tax/NI payer has to stump up for them??
@Mollydolls23
Do please read my post above. Your husband may have a claim for wrongful dismissal. The company are liable for notice and redundancy pay unless in administration or insolvent.
[quote][p][bold]Mollydolls23[/bold] wrote: My husband lost his job with Elite last Saturday..... If they had paid what they owed ie Redundancy and Notice pay as they should have it may not have been such a blow ... they have not ceased trading but the Drivers' have been told they have to apply for a RP1 form to get it from the Government ... If they had NO money they would cease trading .... so they can choose to not pay it and the Tax/NI payer has to stump up for them??[/p][/quote]@Mollydolls23 Do please read my post above. Your husband may have a claim for wrongful dismissal. The company are liable for notice and redundancy pay unless in administration or insolvent. Boatman
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4:36pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Boatman says...

Mollydolls23 wrote:
My husband lost his job with Elite last Saturday..... If they had paid what they owed ie Redundancy and Notice pay as they should have it may not have been such a blow ... they have not ceased trading but the Drivers' have been told they have to apply for a RP1 form to get it from the Government ... If they had NO money they would cease trading .... so they can choose to not pay it and the Tax/NI payer has to stump up for them??
@Mollydolls23
Do please read my post above. Your husband may have a claim for wrongful dismissal. The company are liable for notice and redundancy pay unless in administration or insolvent.
[quote][p][bold]Mollydolls23[/bold] wrote: My husband lost his job with Elite last Saturday..... If they had paid what they owed ie Redundancy and Notice pay as they should have it may not have been such a blow ... they have not ceased trading but the Drivers' have been told they have to apply for a RP1 form to get it from the Government ... If they had NO money they would cease trading .... so they can choose to not pay it and the Tax/NI payer has to stump up for them??[/p][/quote]@Mollydolls23 Do please read my post above. Your husband may have a claim for wrongful dismissal. The company are liable for notice and redundancy pay unless in administration or insolvent. Boatman
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4:38pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Boatman says...

Quite what this site is doing is beyond me! I only clicked on 'Submit' once I promise.
Quite what this site is doing is beyond me! I only clicked on 'Submit' once I promise. Boatman
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6:25pm Thu 27 Dec 12

xmasjoy says...

bazzeroz wrote:
I wish the 'Christmas time' sympathy route would stop being used. Ffs any time is bad to be losing your job. Easter's next so no doubt that one will be thrown into the mix. Sorry to hear this job loss news. Things are tough.
Regarding your comment "Christmas time sympathy" route: Almost all administration haulage companies close for 2 whole weeks at this time of the year. Employment agencies are also closed. "Dole" office is closed for 2 weeks and therefore cannot register unemployment or apply for any benefits. Many families overstretch their finances at Christmas, to give their children a good Christmas. As Elite paid their drivers weekly, many have to live from week to week. Surely there were "warning signs", which had they been honest and truthful could have prepared the workers for this shocking result!
[quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: I wish the 'Christmas time' sympathy route would stop being used. Ffs any time is bad to be losing your job. Easter's next so no doubt that one will be thrown into the mix. Sorry to hear this job loss news. Things are tough.[/p][/quote]Regarding your comment "Christmas time sympathy" route: Almost all administration haulage companies close for 2 whole weeks at this time of the year. Employment agencies are also closed. "Dole" office is closed for 2 weeks and therefore cannot register unemployment or apply for any benefits. Many families overstretch their finances at Christmas, to give their children a good Christmas. As Elite paid their drivers weekly, many have to live from week to week. Surely there were "warning signs", which had they been honest and truthful could have prepared the workers for this shocking result! xmasjoy
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8:44pm Thu 27 Dec 12

chunky_lover says...

Best just to get on with things rather than being bitter.
Best just to get on with things rather than being bitter. chunky_lover
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9:11pm Thu 27 Dec 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port?
biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size.
this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe?
So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port?
Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket?
I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy
Its not crap loose and i think you know that your self, this is not the first company that is heading towards shellheaven. which will be the hub port.
And what called in the other day was the widest ship and I been informed the widest that Southampton can take, and any wider and new cranes will be needed, and the channel will also need to be wider, container ships will become longer and wider. way to big for Southampton, Southampton as limitations like all ports do, and those limitations are smaller than for ports on the Thames and Severn Estuary where the channels are a lot wider and naturally deeper and that have a much higher tide.
Think before you post again, biggest as in it carrys more containers, but it is not the longest, the longest container ships will not come to Southampton
So dredging to make the deep water wider & new cranes is what's needed or so you say yes?
So exactly what have ABP been doing?
New berths with new cranes being built now after 4 years of delays in a government department. held up by Felixstowes opposition to us doing the work.
Dredging to indeed make the channel wider is going on now so we are doing all of this to accommodate the new size container ships.
Under the last government Dibden container port was not allowed to go ahead because of NIMBY's objecting to it.
Southy as a so called working class man why aren't you out there trying to support industry in this city industry that employs working class people?
Shouldn't Felixstowe worry more about Shellhaven than us?
further to go to get there than here or Shellhaven cuts transport costs & delivery time of goods
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port? biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size. this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe? So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port? Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket? I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy[/p][/quote]Its not crap loose and i think you know that your self, this is not the first company that is heading towards shellheaven. which will be the hub port. And what called in the other day was the widest ship and I been informed the widest that Southampton can take, and any wider and new cranes will be needed, and the channel will also need to be wider, container ships will become longer and wider. way to big for Southampton, Southampton as limitations like all ports do, and those limitations are smaller than for ports on the Thames and Severn Estuary where the channels are a lot wider and naturally deeper and that have a much higher tide. Think before you post again, biggest as in it carrys more containers, but it is not the longest, the longest container ships will not come to Southampton[/p][/quote]So dredging to make the deep water wider & new cranes is what's needed or so you say yes? So exactly what have ABP been doing? New berths with new cranes being built now after 4 years of delays in a government department. held up by Felixstowes opposition to us doing the work. Dredging to indeed make the channel wider is going on now so we are doing all of this to accommodate the new size container ships. Under the last government Dibden container port was not allowed to go ahead because of NIMBY's objecting to it. Southy as a so called working class man why aren't you out there trying to support industry in this city industry that employs working class people? Shouldn't Felixstowe worry more about Shellhaven than us? further to go to get there than here or Shellhaven cuts transport costs & delivery time of goods loosehead
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9:20pm Thu 27 Dec 12

derek james says...

loosehead wrote:
Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port?
biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size.
this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe?
So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port?
Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket?
I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy
when london gateway comes online i can see it's going to cause problems for soton and felixstowe, they're spending containerloads of money and not for no reason
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port? biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size. this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe? So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port? Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket? I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy[/p][/quote]when london gateway comes online i can see it's going to cause problems for soton and felixstowe, they're spending containerloads of money and not for no reason derek james
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9:29pm Thu 27 Dec 12

loosehead says...

derek james wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port?
biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size.
this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe?
So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port?
Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket?
I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy
when london gateway comes online i can see it's going to cause problems for soton and felixstowe, they're spending containerloads of money and not for no reason
Derek do you not think Felixstowe is going to be hit harder than us?
After all because of the strikes here in a National docks board port & felixstowe being privately owned & close to London we lost a lot of ships to them.
now Shellhaven coming on line changes all that & Felixstowe isn't looking such a good bet that's why they blocked our redevelopment of our container port isn't it?
How do Stobarts do so well from container work yet this company doesn't? How much are they getting for the site? we're paying the redundancy?
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port? biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size. this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe? So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port? Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket? I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy[/p][/quote]when london gateway comes online i can see it's going to cause problems for soton and felixstowe, they're spending containerloads of money and not for no reason[/p][/quote]Derek do you not think Felixstowe is going to be hit harder than us? After all because of the strikes here in a National docks board port & felixstowe being privately owned & close to London we lost a lot of ships to them. now Shellhaven coming on line changes all that & Felixstowe isn't looking such a good bet that's why they blocked our redevelopment of our container port isn't it? How do Stobarts do so well from container work yet this company doesn't? How much are they getting for the site? we're paying the redundancy? loosehead
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9:51pm Thu 27 Dec 12

S Pance says...

The timing of this is interesting.

BBH announced earlier this month that plans to re-develop the quay are progressing well.

Elite obviously consider that it's only a matter of time before they are ousted from the Eling site. This has probably been a major contributor to the decision to close the depot.
The timing of this is interesting. BBH announced earlier this month that plans to re-develop the quay are progressing well. Elite obviously consider that it's only a matter of time before they are ousted from the Eling site. This has probably been a major contributor to the decision to close the depot. S Pance
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9:57pm Thu 27 Dec 12

S Pance says...

Consider that Elite is a small depot on a rather large site. They employed 50 people.

The number of vehicles at Eling Wharf on Google Earth gives an idea of the number of people that work there and will also lose their jobs when the Wharf is re-developed..

Now consider that we are promised "300 new jobs" by the development. No one has yet mentioned what the net gain in jobs is going to be...

Whilst the re-development of the site is long overdue, don't be fooled into thinking this will create anywhere near the 300 jobs mentioned!

If there is a net gain in jobs, these are llikely to be low paid, low skilled shelf stacker jobs.

It's possible that overall jobs will be lost!
Consider that Elite is a small depot on a rather large site. They employed 50 people. The number of vehicles at Eling Wharf on Google Earth gives an idea of the number of people that work there and will also lose their jobs when the Wharf is re-developed.. Now consider that we are promised "300 new jobs" by the development. No one has yet mentioned what the net gain in jobs is going to be... Whilst the re-development of the site is long overdue, don't be fooled into thinking this will create anywhere near the 300 jobs mentioned! If there is a net gain in jobs, these are llikely to be low paid, low skilled shelf stacker jobs. It's possible that overall jobs will be lost! S Pance
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11:37pm Thu 27 Dec 12

chunky_lover says...

y'all just moan, im out.
y'all just moan, im out. chunky_lover
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9:37am Fri 28 Dec 12

derek james says...

loosehead wrote:
derek james wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port?
biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size.
this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe?
So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port?
Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket?
I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy
when london gateway comes online i can see it's going to cause problems for soton and felixstowe, they're spending containerloads of money and not for no reason
Derek do you not think Felixstowe is going to be hit harder than us?
After all because of the strikes here in a National docks board port & felixstowe being privately owned & close to London we lost a lot of ships to them.
now Shellhaven coming on line changes all that & Felixstowe isn't looking such a good bet that's why they blocked our redevelopment of our container port isn't it?
How do Stobarts do so well from container work yet this company doesn't? How much are they getting for the site? we're paying the redundancy?
i don't think anyone can tell till it's up and running but having seen the amount being spent it must hit someone
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port? biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size. this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe? So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port? Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket? I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy[/p][/quote]when london gateway comes online i can see it's going to cause problems for soton and felixstowe, they're spending containerloads of money and not for no reason[/p][/quote]Derek do you not think Felixstowe is going to be hit harder than us? After all because of the strikes here in a National docks board port & felixstowe being privately owned & close to London we lost a lot of ships to them. now Shellhaven coming on line changes all that & Felixstowe isn't looking such a good bet that's why they blocked our redevelopment of our container port isn't it? How do Stobarts do so well from container work yet this company doesn't? How much are they getting for the site? we're paying the redundancy?[/p][/quote]i don't think anyone can tell till it's up and running but having seen the amount being spent it must hit someone derek james
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11:45am Fri 28 Dec 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port?
biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size.
this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe?
So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port?
Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket?
I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy
Its not crap loose and i think you know that your self, this is not the first company that is heading towards shellheaven. which will be the hub port.
And what called in the other day was the widest ship and I been informed the widest that Southampton can take, and any wider and new cranes will be needed, and the channel will also need to be wider, container ships will become longer and wider. way to big for Southampton, Southampton as limitations like all ports do, and those limitations are smaller than for ports on the Thames and Severn Estuary where the channels are a lot wider and naturally deeper and that have a much higher tide.
Think before you post again, biggest as in it carrys more containers, but it is not the longest, the longest container ships will not come to Southampton
So dredging to make the deep water wider & new cranes is what's needed or so you say yes?
So exactly what have ABP been doing?
New berths with new cranes being built now after 4 years of delays in a government department. held up by Felixstowes opposition to us doing the work.
Dredging to indeed make the channel wider is going on now so we are doing all of this to accommodate the new size container ships.
Under the last government Dibden container port was not allowed to go ahead because of NIMBY's objecting to it.
Southy as a so called working class man why aren't you out there trying to support industry in this city industry that employs working class people?
Shouldn't Felixstowe worry more about Shellhaven than us?
further to go to get there than here or Shellhaven cuts transport costs & delivery time of goods
They are not making the Channel wider, all they are doing now is keeping the channel clear of build up in silt and running the shoe across the bed to flaten it, The new 4 cranes that are going to be built on 201 and 202 are going to be the same size as the lest lot of new cranes.
That ground can only take so much weight, which limits the amount of reach a gib can have, because of the counter balance weight. They are still not really sure how long that berth can last for before the ground gives way to the weight and vibration, They had problems before on 201 and 202 berths though weight and vibrations the piles started to sink deeper and is why they transfered container work on to 203 and 204 back in the mid to late 70's.
Like I said all ports have limitations on size of ships it can take, Southampton waters is very narrow when compaired with the Severn and Thames, these 2 rivers can take much longer and a lot wider and deeper ships, and because they both have much larger tidal range than Southampton less dredging works needs to be done.
If you want to see larger Containers ships then we must concider about closing the Container port and moving it down river say from the River Hamble to Netley Sewage farm.
Tell me how soon do you think it will be before we see a ship a mile long, because this is what the planners are looking at and are trying to design now. and these size ships will not even enter the channel as there is no port that could take a vessel this size along the english channel, a vessel this size would go round Scotland to enter the north sea.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port? biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size. this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe? So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port? Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket? I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy[/p][/quote]Its not crap loose and i think you know that your self, this is not the first company that is heading towards shellheaven. which will be the hub port. And what called in the other day was the widest ship and I been informed the widest that Southampton can take, and any wider and new cranes will be needed, and the channel will also need to be wider, container ships will become longer and wider. way to big for Southampton, Southampton as limitations like all ports do, and those limitations are smaller than for ports on the Thames and Severn Estuary where the channels are a lot wider and naturally deeper and that have a much higher tide. Think before you post again, biggest as in it carrys more containers, but it is not the longest, the longest container ships will not come to Southampton[/p][/quote]So dredging to make the deep water wider & new cranes is what's needed or so you say yes? So exactly what have ABP been doing? New berths with new cranes being built now after 4 years of delays in a government department. held up by Felixstowes opposition to us doing the work. Dredging to indeed make the channel wider is going on now so we are doing all of this to accommodate the new size container ships. Under the last government Dibden container port was not allowed to go ahead because of NIMBY's objecting to it. Southy as a so called working class man why aren't you out there trying to support industry in this city industry that employs working class people? Shouldn't Felixstowe worry more about Shellhaven than us? further to go to get there than here or Shellhaven cuts transport costs & delivery time of goods[/p][/quote]They are not making the Channel wider, all they are doing now is keeping the channel clear of build up in silt and running the shoe across the bed to flaten it, The new 4 cranes that are going to be built on 201 and 202 are going to be the same size as the lest lot of new cranes. That ground can only take so much weight, which limits the amount of reach a gib can have, because of the counter balance weight. They are still not really sure how long that berth can last for before the ground gives way to the weight and vibration, They had problems before on 201 and 202 berths though weight and vibrations the piles started to sink deeper and is why they transfered container work on to 203 and 204 back in the mid to late 70's. Like I said all ports have limitations on size of ships it can take, Southampton waters is very narrow when compaired with the Severn and Thames, these 2 rivers can take much longer and a lot wider and deeper ships, and because they both have much larger tidal range than Southampton less dredging works needs to be done. If you want to see larger Containers ships then we must concider about closing the Container port and moving it down river say from the River Hamble to Netley Sewage farm. Tell me how soon do you think it will be before we see a ship a mile long, because this is what the planners are looking at and are trying to design now. and these size ships will not even enter the channel as there is no port that could take a vessel this size along the english channel, a vessel this size would go round Scotland to enter the north sea. southy
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11:55am Fri 28 Dec 12

southy says...

derek james wrote:
loosehead wrote:
derek james wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port?
biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size.
this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe?
So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port?
Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket?
I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy
when london gateway comes online i can see it's going to cause problems for soton and felixstowe, they're spending containerloads of money and not for no reason
Derek do you not think Felixstowe is going to be hit harder than us?
After all because of the strikes here in a National docks board port & felixstowe being privately owned & close to London we lost a lot of ships to them.
now Shellhaven coming on line changes all that & Felixstowe isn't looking such a good bet that's why they blocked our redevelopment of our container port isn't it?
How do Stobarts do so well from container work yet this company doesn't? How much are they getting for the site? we're paying the redundancy?
i don't think anyone can tell till it's up and running but having seen the amount being spent it must hit someone
Make no mistakes over the new container port on the Thames, this port is designed to take the real large ships that are not even being built yet but are in disigning stage, and when finished it will be the first of the 2 new hub ports that is going to be built, the other one is going to be on the River Severn, all other container ports will become feeder ports.
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port? biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size. this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe? So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port? Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket? I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy[/p][/quote]when london gateway comes online i can see it's going to cause problems for soton and felixstowe, they're spending containerloads of money and not for no reason[/p][/quote]Derek do you not think Felixstowe is going to be hit harder than us? After all because of the strikes here in a National docks board port & felixstowe being privately owned & close to London we lost a lot of ships to them. now Shellhaven coming on line changes all that & Felixstowe isn't looking such a good bet that's why they blocked our redevelopment of our container port isn't it? How do Stobarts do so well from container work yet this company doesn't? How much are they getting for the site? we're paying the redundancy?[/p][/quote]i don't think anyone can tell till it's up and running but having seen the amount being spent it must hit someone[/p][/quote]Make no mistakes over the new container port on the Thames, this port is designed to take the real large ships that are not even being built yet but are in disigning stage, and when finished it will be the first of the 2 new hub ports that is going to be built, the other one is going to be on the River Severn, all other container ports will become feeder ports. southy
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2:04pm Fri 28 Dec 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port?
biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size.
this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe?
So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port?
Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket?
I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy
Its not crap loose and i think you know that your self, this is not the first company that is heading towards shellheaven. which will be the hub port.
And what called in the other day was the widest ship and I been informed the widest that Southampton can take, and any wider and new cranes will be needed, and the channel will also need to be wider, container ships will become longer and wider. way to big for Southampton, Southampton as limitations like all ports do, and those limitations are smaller than for ports on the Thames and Severn Estuary where the channels are a lot wider and naturally deeper and that have a much higher tide.
Think before you post again, biggest as in it carrys more containers, but it is not the longest, the longest container ships will not come to Southampton
So dredging to make the deep water wider & new cranes is what's needed or so you say yes?
So exactly what have ABP been doing?
New berths with new cranes being built now after 4 years of delays in a government department. held up by Felixstowes opposition to us doing the work.
Dredging to indeed make the channel wider is going on now so we are doing all of this to accommodate the new size container ships.
Under the last government Dibden container port was not allowed to go ahead because of NIMBY's objecting to it.
Southy as a so called working class man why aren't you out there trying to support industry in this city industry that employs working class people?
Shouldn't Felixstowe worry more about Shellhaven than us?
further to go to get there than here or Shellhaven cuts transport costs & delivery time of goods
They are not making the Channel wider, all they are doing now is keeping the channel clear of build up in silt and running the shoe across the bed to flaten it, The new 4 cranes that are going to be built on 201 and 202 are going to be the same size as the lest lot of new cranes.
That ground can only take so much weight, which limits the amount of reach a gib can have, because of the counter balance weight. They are still not really sure how long that berth can last for before the ground gives way to the weight and vibration, They had problems before on 201 and 202 berths though weight and vibrations the piles started to sink deeper and is why they transfered container work on to 203 and 204 back in the mid to late 70's.
Like I said all ports have limitations on size of ships it can take, Southampton waters is very narrow when compaired with the Severn and Thames, these 2 rivers can take much longer and a lot wider and deeper ships, and because they both have much larger tidal range than Southampton less dredging works needs to be done.
If you want to see larger Containers ships then we must concider about closing the Container port and moving it down river say from the River Hamble to Netley Sewage farm.
Tell me how soon do you think it will be before we see a ship a mile long, because this is what the planners are looking at and are trying to design now. and these size ships will not even enter the channel as there is no port that could take a vessel this size along the english channel, a vessel this size would go round Scotland to enter the north sea.
So once again you know more than ABP's Port director then?
He said they were dredging the river to make it deeper to turnaround the new size container ships but you say it isn't?
Also the whole of those two berths are being re-built & larger cranes are going to be used not the same size as now why oh why are you so Anti this city?
Join the TUSC & transfer all work from Southampton is the message your giving out isn't it?
ShellHaven shouldn't be even going ahead as there's enough competition for containers around the ports as it is but Gordan Brown saw a way to win votes & gave permission for it.
He thought winning London votes fgar more important than Southampton,Felixsto
we or Liverpool losing jobs.
This Transport company seem to be lying & come on you who know it all ( no Bugger all) what's the real reason for Eling being shut?
Is it the new development & the money to be earned whilst at the same time stealing from us the tax payer?
getting money for the site but not paying redundancy pay but expecting the tax payer to pay it is stealing in my book
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy quit the c+ap.Hub Port? biggest container ship just visited the port & new docks being built to accommodate more ships of that size. this company says not enough work coming from this port or Felixstowe? So Southy does that make Felixstowe a Hub Port? Isn't Ealing Wharf where they want to build a new supermarket? I think this company have been given a better offer & are telling porkies just like Southy[/p][/quote]Its not crap loose and i think you know that your self, this is not the first company that is heading towards shellheaven. which will be the hub port. And what called in the other day was the widest ship and I been informed the widest that Southampton can take, and any wider and new cranes will be needed, and the channel will also need to be wider, container ships will become longer and wider. way to big for Southampton, Southampton as limitations like all ports do, and those limitations are smaller than for ports on the Thames and Severn Estuary where the channels are a lot wider and naturally deeper and that have a much higher tide. Think before you post again, biggest as in it carrys more containers, but it is not the longest, the longest container ships will not come to Southampton[/p][/quote]So dredging to make the deep water wider & new cranes is what's needed or so you say yes? So exactly what have ABP been doing? New berths with new cranes being built now after 4 years of delays in a government department. held up by Felixstowes opposition to us doing the work. Dredging to indeed make the channel wider is going on now so we are doing all of this to accommodate the new size container ships. Under the last government Dibden container port was not allowed to go ahead because of NIMBY's objecting to it. Southy as a so called working class man why aren't you out there trying to support industry in this city industry that employs working class people? Shouldn't Felixstowe worry more about Shellhaven than us? further to go to get there than here or Shellhaven cuts transport costs & delivery time of goods[/p][/quote]They are not making the Channel wider, all they are doing now is keeping the channel clear of build up in silt and running the shoe across the bed to flaten it, The new 4 cranes that are going to be built on 201 and 202 are going to be the same size as the lest lot of new cranes. That ground can only take so much weight, which limits the amount of reach a gib can have, because of the counter balance weight. They are still not really sure how long that berth can last for before the ground gives way to the weight and vibration, They had problems before on 201 and 202 berths though weight and vibrations the piles started to sink deeper and is why they transfered container work on to 203 and 204 back in the mid to late 70's. Like I said all ports have limitations on size of ships it can take, Southampton waters is very narrow when compaired with the Severn and Thames, these 2 rivers can take much longer and a lot wider and deeper ships, and because they both have much larger tidal range than Southampton less dredging works needs to be done. If you want to see larger Containers ships then we must concider about closing the Container port and moving it down river say from the River Hamble to Netley Sewage farm. Tell me how soon do you think it will be before we see a ship a mile long, because this is what the planners are looking at and are trying to design now. and these size ships will not even enter the channel as there is no port that could take a vessel this size along the english channel, a vessel this size would go round Scotland to enter the north sea.[/p][/quote]So once again you know more than ABP's Port director then? He said they were dredging the river to make it deeper to turnaround the new size container ships but you say it isn't? Also the whole of those two berths are being re-built & larger cranes are going to be used not the same size as now why oh why are you so Anti this city? Join the TUSC & transfer all work from Southampton is the message your giving out isn't it? ShellHaven shouldn't be even going ahead as there's enough competition for containers around the ports as it is but Gordan Brown saw a way to win votes & gave permission for it. He thought winning London votes fgar more important than Southampton,Felixsto we or Liverpool losing jobs. This Transport company seem to be lying & come on you who know it all ( no Bugger all) what's the real reason for Eling being shut? Is it the new development & the money to be earned whilst at the same time stealing from us the tax payer? getting money for the site but not paying redundancy pay but expecting the tax payer to pay it is stealing in my book loosehead
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2:09pm Fri 28 Dec 12

loosehead says...

SOUTHY what's this then?
Southampton port has placed a £26m order for four new, huge, ship-to-shore gantry cranes as part of its redevelopment of deep-sea container berths in the city’s docks.

A £90m project to upgrade berths 201 and 202 in the western docks will enable the container terminal to handle the growing number of ultra large container vessels (ULCCs), cementing the city’s position at the forefront of global container trade.
Redevelopment of two berths into one?
New Gantry cranes?
not looking like your telling the truthn is it?
SOUTHY what's this then? Southampton port has placed a £26m order for four new, huge, ship-to-shore gantry cranes as part of its redevelopment of deep-sea container berths in the city’s docks. A £90m project to upgrade berths 201 and 202 in the western docks will enable the container terminal to handle the growing number of ultra large container vessels (ULCCs), cementing the city’s position at the forefront of global container trade. Redevelopment of two berths into one? New Gantry cranes? not looking like your telling the truthn is it? loosehead
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2:14pm Fri 28 Dec 12

loosehead says...

SOUTHY,
“Our entire network of 400 agencies all around the world is active to ensure the successful launching of this ship.’’ Under ABP’s dredging programme a total of 450,000 cubic metres of material will be removed at the Marchwood Moorings, which widen the navigation channel by 30 metres, resulting in improved accessibility for container vessels using the existing berths operated by DP World Southampton.
Deepening the channel all the way to the Marchwood Moorings once again makes it look as if you got the facts wrong again?
So why is Elite transport shutting?
SOUTHY, “Our entire network of 400 agencies all around the world is active to ensure the successful launching of this ship.’’ Under ABP’s dredging programme a total of 450,000 cubic metres of material will be removed at the Marchwood Moorings, which widen the navigation channel by 30 metres, resulting in improved accessibility for container vessels using the existing berths operated by DP World Southampton. Deepening the channel all the way to the Marchwood Moorings once again makes it look as if you got the facts wrong again? So why is Elite transport shutting? loosehead
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3:16pm Fri 28 Dec 12

Mollydolls23 says...

Well it seems that Elite Southampton are still operating.... 15 trucks in Elite yard running in and out, gates unlocked and locked on the arrival and departure of each truck. More than 2 staff in the Office???

The Drivers who were made redundant have only been paid flat week for last week and so are out of pocket , not even their expenses were paid.

I don't think anyone is bitter I believe if they had just done things properly and been honest, people would have felt disgruntled but would have just walked away and got on with things, it's the dishonesty that stinks/
Well it seems that Elite Southampton are still operating.... 15 trucks in Elite yard running in and out, gates unlocked and locked on the arrival and departure of each truck. More than 2 staff in the Office??? The Drivers who were made redundant have only been paid flat week for last week and so are out of pocket , not even their expenses were paid. I don't think anyone is bitter I believe if they had just done things properly and been honest, people would have felt disgruntled but would have just walked away and got on with things, it's the dishonesty that stinks/ Mollydolls23
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3:38pm Fri 28 Dec 12

richieroo says...

xmasjoy wrote:
bazzeroz wrote:
I wish the 'Christmas time' sympathy route would stop being used. Ffs any time is bad to be losing your job. Easter's next so no doubt that one will be thrown into the mix. Sorry to hear this job loss news. Things are tough.
Regarding your comment "Christmas time sympathy" route: Almost all administration haulage companies close for 2 whole weeks at this time of the year. Employment agencies are also closed. "Dole" office is closed for 2 weeks and therefore cannot register unemployment or apply for any benefits. Many families overstretch their finances at Christmas, to give their children a good Christmas. As Elite paid their drivers weekly, many have to live from week to week. Surely there were "warning signs", which had they been honest and truthful could have prepared the workers for this shocking result!
It doesn't matter that the "dole" office is closed over the Xmas period as they prefer you to complete your application online these days!.
[quote][p][bold]xmasjoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: I wish the 'Christmas time' sympathy route would stop being used. Ffs any time is bad to be losing your job. Easter's next so no doubt that one will be thrown into the mix. Sorry to hear this job loss news. Things are tough.[/p][/quote]Regarding your comment "Christmas time sympathy" route: Almost all administration haulage companies close for 2 whole weeks at this time of the year. Employment agencies are also closed. "Dole" office is closed for 2 weeks and therefore cannot register unemployment or apply for any benefits. Many families overstretch their finances at Christmas, to give their children a good Christmas. As Elite paid their drivers weekly, many have to live from week to week. Surely there were "warning signs", which had they been honest and truthful could have prepared the workers for this shocking result![/p][/quote]It doesn't matter that the "dole" office is closed over the Xmas period as they prefer you to complete your application online these days!. richieroo
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5:22pm Fri 28 Dec 12

J.P.M says...

Yippeeeee!!!!!

Does that mean that the two german shepherd wolves that are running wild around the compound will disappear?

They scare me. even when I sail past within 40 feet, coming out of Eling
Yippeeeee!!!!! Does that mean that the two german shepherd wolves that are running wild around the compound will disappear? They scare me. even when I sail past within 40 feet, coming out of Eling J.P.M
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4:51am Mon 31 Dec 12

Pikey-Biker says...

Everyone listen up!............there has been a mistake in the title the world ‘blow’ is in the wrong place it should’ve been placed before the word jobs and not after it.
Everyone listen up!............there has been a mistake in the title the world ‘blow’ is in the wrong place it should’ve been placed before the word jobs and not after it. Pikey-Biker
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4:54am Mon 31 Dec 12

Pikey-Biker says...

Everyone listen up!............there has been a mistake in the title the word ‘blow’ is in the wrong place it should’ve been placed before the word jobs and not after it.
Everyone listen up!............there has been a mistake in the title the word ‘blow’ is in the wrong place it should’ve been placed before the word jobs and not after it. Pikey-Biker
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