Wiggle finds new home for New Forest cycling events

Mass cycle event gets new home

Mass cycle event gets new home

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BOSSES behind a controversial series of mass cycling events have been forced to move their base outside Hampshire after months of controversy.

UK Cycling Events, organisers of the Wiggle rides, was barred from the home of the New Forest Show after a pony round-up on neighbouring land had to be cancelled on safety grounds.

And alternative plans to use Gang Warily recreation centre in Blackfield fell through, leaving the rides homeless.

Now Wiggle has abandoned attempts to retain a base in the Forest and moved to Matchams Leisure Park on the Hampshire-Dorset border. But cyclists will continue to ride through the Forest, possibly paving the way for another spate of complaints from locals.

A statement from UK Cycling Events said: “The route incorporates the same spectacular scenery of the New Forest National Park, combined with wild animals grazing and picturesque villages.”

Previous Wiggle rides have attracted more than 2,000 entrants. Riders have been accused of using the Forest as a toilet, shouting abuse at people who get in their way and hurtling along narrow country lanes – putting pedestrians and horse riders at risk.

Cyclists have been hit by acts of sabotage, with protesters putting tacks on the road and tearing down signs as tensions escalated. And the move to near Ringwood has failed to placate protesters, including the New Forest Equestrian Association.

Chairman Tony Hockley said: “Matchams can accommodate a couple of thousand cars, so we could be facing events on the same scale as before.”

Peter Roberts, chairman of the New Forest Association, said: “Cyclists will still ride across the Forest in rather large numbers, causing the potential to disrupt working practices.”

Last year a Wiggle event starting from New Park, Brockenhurst, clashed with a pony round-up due to take place on the same weekend.

The round-up was scrapped, prompting claims that cyclists were being given priority over the day-to-day running of the Forest.

As reported in the Daily Echo, organisers of the New Forest Show bowed to public opinion and banned mass cycling events from the site.

And a subsequent application to use Gang Warily resulted in parish leaders drawing up a list of regulations in a bid to protect the public.

Martin Barden, director of UK Cycling Events, said the use of Matchams would result in “no disruption” being caused to Forest residents.

He added: “We have moved to Matchams as the venue offers hard standing parking for all the riders.

“We chose to withdraw from Gang Warily as the decision-making process was taking too long and we wanted to ensure we had enough time to inform residents of our planned route.”

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6:06am Thu 23 Jan 14

Brusher Mills says...

Oh this is going to be fun.

Let's start Matchams is used to holding nag events, remember winter wonderland.
Oh this is going to be fun. Let's start Matchams is used to holding nag events, remember winter wonderland. Brusher Mills
  • Score: 8

7:50am Thu 23 Jan 14

loosehead says...

So yet again the Nimby's win & several thousand cyclists & supporters lose.
this could have been a chance to build on the races/events leading to more tourism & so more income for local businesses.
Surely a pony round up could have been worked around? you notify Wiggle the date of the pony round up each year they put on the event on so it doesn't coincide with the round up & it's done or was the round up just another excuse by NIMBY's?
So yet again the Nimby's win & several thousand cyclists & supporters lose. this could have been a chance to build on the races/events leading to more tourism & so more income for local businesses. Surely a pony round up could have been worked around? you notify Wiggle the date of the pony round up each year they put on the event on so it doesn't coincide with the round up & it's done or was the round up just another excuse by NIMBY's? loosehead
  • Score: -1

8:02am Thu 23 Jan 14

Forest Resident says...

It is estimated that a single cycle event held by Wiggle near Brockenhurst generated £600,000 for the local economy in terms of use of hotels, b&b's, restaurants, cafe's, and shops etc. With the event now having its start/finish entirely outside of Hampshire and even the New Forest District it is highly likely that that money will also be spent outside of the region, the only people to lose out will be New Forest businesses. Congratulations New Forest NPA on damaging the local economy and the image of the New Forest to visiting cyclists.
It is estimated that a single cycle event held by Wiggle near Brockenhurst generated £600,000 for the local economy in terms of use of hotels, b&b's, restaurants, cafe's, and shops etc. With the event now having its start/finish entirely outside of Hampshire and even the New Forest District it is highly likely that that money will also be spent outside of the region, the only people to lose out will be New Forest businesses. Congratulations New Forest NPA on damaging the local economy and the image of the New Forest to visiting cyclists. Forest Resident
  • Score: 30

8:21am Thu 23 Jan 14

userds5050 says...

loosehead wrote:
So yet again the Nimby's win & several thousand cyclists & supporters lose.
this could have been a chance to build on the races/events leading to more tourism & so more income for local businesses.
Surely a pony round up could have been worked around? you notify Wiggle the date of the pony round up each year they put on the event on so it doesn't coincide with the round up & it's done or was the round up just another excuse by NIMBY's?
If a NIMBY is someone who doesn't like folk sh iting in their bushes or not cleaning their litter up, then yeah they've won.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So yet again the Nimby's win & several thousand cyclists & supporters lose. this could have been a chance to build on the races/events leading to more tourism & so more income for local businesses. Surely a pony round up could have been worked around? you notify Wiggle the date of the pony round up each year they put on the event on so it doesn't coincide with the round up & it's done or was the round up just another excuse by NIMBY's?[/p][/quote]If a NIMBY is someone who doesn't like folk sh iting in their bushes or not cleaning their litter up, then yeah they've won. userds5050
  • Score: 1

8:22am Thu 23 Jan 14

saint61 says...

Forest Resident wrote:
It is estimated that a single cycle event held by Wiggle near Brockenhurst generated £600,000 for the local economy in terms of use of hotels, b&b's, restaurants, cafe's, and shops etc. With the event now having its start/finish entirely outside of Hampshire and even the New Forest District it is highly likely that that money will also be spent outside of the region, the only people to lose out will be New Forest businesses. Congratulations New Forest NPA on damaging the local economy and the image of the New Forest to visiting cyclists.
well said but no good crying about it now.
I also live in the Brockenhurst area and welcomed this ride not only for the economy but the opportunity to put the area on the map.
That has now been ruined by a selfish few.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: It is estimated that a single cycle event held by Wiggle near Brockenhurst generated £600,000 for the local economy in terms of use of hotels, b&b's, restaurants, cafe's, and shops etc. With the event now having its start/finish entirely outside of Hampshire and even the New Forest District it is highly likely that that money will also be spent outside of the region, the only people to lose out will be New Forest businesses. Congratulations New Forest NPA on damaging the local economy and the image of the New Forest to visiting cyclists.[/p][/quote]well said but no good crying about it now. I also live in the Brockenhurst area and welcomed this ride not only for the economy but the opportunity to put the area on the map. That has now been ruined by a selfish few. saint61
  • Score: 8

8:40am Thu 23 Jan 14

townieboy says...

Further away the better. Scrap any SkyRides too.
Further away the better. Scrap any SkyRides too. townieboy
  • Score: -14

8:54am Thu 23 Jan 14

charliethebikemonger says...

They complain about 2000 people riding bikes, something that has happened for over 100 years, but are OK with 13,500,500 visitors a year, mainly arriving by car.

Look at the stats, how many people or ponies have been killed or injured by bikes... How many by cars? And how many people injured by ponies?

They (NFDL) have blocked roads, vandalised, stolen and even injured a local cyclist on his way to work. It's very clear what the problem really is.
They complain about 2000 people riding bikes, something that has happened for over 100 years, but are OK with 13,500,500 visitors a year, mainly arriving by car. Look at the stats, how many people or ponies have been killed or injured by bikes... How many by cars? And how many people injured by ponies? They (NFDL) have blocked roads, vandalised, stolen and even injured a local cyclist on his way to work. It's very clear what the problem really is. charliethebikemonger
  • Score: 24

9:21am Thu 23 Jan 14

Franks Tank says...

The mysterious Godshill turd only came to light a month after the event.
I thought it had been shown to be a completely fictitious story.
The mysterious Godshill turd only came to light a month after the event. I thought it had been shown to be a completely fictitious story. Franks Tank
  • Score: 3

9:40am Thu 23 Jan 14

Poppy22 says...

Glad to hear that the rides will still go ahead. The New Forest is a National park for enjoyment by ALL and visitors bring money into the Forest and into the Hampshire economy. If some Forest residents don't like that then they're living in the wrong place and should move! As someone else commented recently, the Forest isn't an extension of their private gardens!
And for such rare occasions of these rides, people who object could make sure they stay at home that day or go out of the Forest for a day - it shouldn't be a big issue. (No different to, eg, marathons etc being run in towns and cities).
At least cycles don't pollute the Forest like cars do.
Re the pony round up, yes, the Forest bodies should just let Wiggle know when these things are going to happen. (Or was the pony round up date arranged after the Wiggle ride date announced ....!).
We've seen many Forest residents driving like loonies through the Forest, with no care or consideration for either other drivers or the animals - we would like to see stats for how many New Forest residents kill or injure ponies compared to how many tourists!
Glad to hear that the rides will still go ahead. The New Forest is a National park for enjoyment by ALL and visitors bring money into the Forest and into the Hampshire economy. If some Forest residents don't like that then they're living in the wrong place and should move! As someone else commented recently, the Forest isn't an extension of their private gardens! And for such rare occasions of these rides, people who object could make sure they stay at home that day or go out of the Forest for a day - it shouldn't be a big issue. (No different to, eg, marathons etc being run in towns and cities). At least cycles don't pollute the Forest like cars do. Re the pony round up, yes, the Forest bodies should just let Wiggle know when these things are going to happen. (Or was the pony round up date arranged after the Wiggle ride date announced ....!). We've seen many Forest residents driving like loonies through the Forest, with no care or consideration for either other drivers or the animals - we would like to see stats for how many New Forest residents kill or injure ponies compared to how many tourists! Poppy22
  • Score: 2

9:53am Thu 23 Jan 14

Franks Tank says...

The Wiggle ride had been organised and advertised months and months in advance.
The pony round up was organised at short notice deliberately to clash with the cycling event in order to whip up controversy.
The Wiggle ride had been organised and advertised months and months in advance. The pony round up was organised at short notice deliberately to clash with the cycling event in order to whip up controversy. Franks Tank
  • Score: 10

9:54am Thu 23 Jan 14

RyudoSkye says...

How about banning cars. They do alot more damage.
How about banning cars. They do alot more damage. RyudoSkye
  • Score: -7

10:34am Thu 23 Jan 14

George4th says...

loosehead wrote:
So yet again the Nimby's win & several thousand cyclists & supporters lose.
this could have been a chance to build on the races/events leading to more tourism & so more income for local businesses.
Surely a pony round up could have been worked around? you notify Wiggle the date of the pony round up each year they put on the event on so it doesn't coincide with the round up & it's done or was the round up just another excuse by NIMBY's?
NIMBYS and BANANA people are the curse of the modern world. It is usually older people blocking the opportunities for the young and future generations, and for that they should be ashamed.............
..........
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So yet again the Nimby's win & several thousand cyclists & supporters lose. this could have been a chance to build on the races/events leading to more tourism & so more income for local businesses. Surely a pony round up could have been worked around? you notify Wiggle the date of the pony round up each year they put on the event on so it doesn't coincide with the round up & it's done or was the round up just another excuse by NIMBY's?[/p][/quote]NIMBYS and BANANA people are the curse of the modern world. It is usually older people blocking the opportunities for the young and future generations, and for that they should be ashamed............. .......... George4th
  • Score: -1

11:09am Thu 23 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

userds5050 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So yet again the Nimby's win & several thousand cyclists & supporters lose.
this could have been a chance to build on the races/events leading to more tourism & so more income for local businesses.
Surely a pony round up could have been worked around? you notify Wiggle the date of the pony round up each year they put on the event on so it doesn't coincide with the round up & it's done or was the round up just another excuse by NIMBY's?
If a NIMBY is someone who doesn't like folk sh iting in their bushes or not cleaning their litter up, then yeah they've won.
yes because that is a very common occurrence.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So yet again the Nimby's win & several thousand cyclists & supporters lose. this could have been a chance to build on the races/events leading to more tourism & so more income for local businesses. Surely a pony round up could have been worked around? you notify Wiggle the date of the pony round up each year they put on the event on so it doesn't coincide with the round up & it's done or was the round up just another excuse by NIMBY's?[/p][/quote]If a NIMBY is someone who doesn't like folk sh iting in their bushes or not cleaning their litter up, then yeah they've won.[/p][/quote]yes because that is a very common occurrence. elvisimo
  • Score: -2

11:10am Thu 23 Jan 14

redsnapper says...

Forest rednecks win again. Most pubs and little stores are in need of the extra business but as usual the redneck nimbies only think selfishly for themselves.

There is much to do in keeping the Forest clean but maybe the rednecks themselves should look around during the winter months when visitor numbers are low and see how the roadsides are still full of crap thrown out of windows by the locals.
Forest rednecks win again. Most pubs and little stores are in need of the extra business but as usual the redneck nimbies only think selfishly for themselves. There is much to do in keeping the Forest clean but maybe the rednecks themselves should look around during the winter months when visitor numbers are low and see how the roadsides are still full of crap thrown out of windows by the locals. redsnapper
  • Score: 17

11:13am Thu 23 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

townieboy wrote:
Further away the better. Scrap any SkyRides too.
yep and scrap those awful charity fun runs, moon walks and marathons, also anything that uses public space, roads or parks or encourages any sort of community spirit or exercise that by some warped point of view could be seen as an "inconvenience".
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Further away the better. Scrap any SkyRides too.[/p][/quote]yep and scrap those awful charity fun runs, moon walks and marathons, also anything that uses public space, roads or parks or encourages any sort of community spirit or exercise that by some warped point of view could be seen as an "inconvenience". elvisimo
  • Score: 8

11:48am Thu 23 Jan 14

General Grievance says...

Perhaps the New Forest Association would like to give the event a go, free tickets Wiggle? They could see how the event is organised and meet Martin at the start line to hear his brief to each and every rider as they leave. I understand that they may be too busy arranging an Easter Egg hunt for local orphans on the same date to be cancelled this year - they are just waiting on Gang Warily to make a decision at some point.
Perhaps the New Forest Association would like to give the event a go, free tickets Wiggle? They could see how the event is organised and meet Martin at the start line to hear his brief to each and every rider as they leave. I understand that they may be too busy arranging an Easter Egg hunt for local orphans on the same date to be cancelled this year - they are just waiting on Gang Warily to make a decision at some point. General Grievance
  • Score: 10

1:07pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Franks Tank says...

Tony Hockley & the NFA should concern themselves more with keeping horses of the A31 than cyclists off quiet country roads.
Tony Hockley & the NFA should concern themselves more with keeping horses of the A31 than cyclists off quiet country roads. Franks Tank
  • Score: 5

1:12pm Thu 23 Jan 14

country bird says...

days & numbered spring to mind.
days & numbered spring to mind. country bird
  • Score: -3

1:32pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Franks Tank says...

country bird wrote:
days & numbered spring to mind.
"Tut" - Incomers!
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: days & numbered spring to mind.[/p][/quote]"Tut" - Incomers! Franks Tank
  • Score: -2

1:46pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Q1 says...

The cyclist's have brought this on themselfs, their behaviour is awful they have no regard for anybody or anything else. If they showed a little respect for others it wouldn't be a problem but for some reason they think they have the right to treat people like dirt and make the New Forest their own personal play ground. I'm glad this has happened and I'm sure if they carry on behaving in the same manner they will be moved on again!
The cyclist's have brought this on themselfs, their behaviour is awful they have no regard for anybody or anything else. If they showed a little respect for others it wouldn't be a problem but for some reason they think they have the right to treat people like dirt and make the New Forest their own personal play ground. I'm glad this has happened and I'm sure if they carry on behaving in the same manner they will be moved on again! Q1
  • Score: -4

1:53pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Q1 wrote:
The cyclist's have brought this on themselfs, their behaviour is awful they have no regard for anybody or anything else. If they showed a little respect for others it wouldn't be a problem but for some reason they think they have the right to treat people like dirt and make the New Forest their own personal play ground. I'm glad this has happened and I'm sure if they carry on behaving in the same manner they will be moved on again!
Except the MAJORITY weren't to blame, it was a minority, like with anything, it's the minority that ruins it for the majority.
[quote][p][bold]Q1[/bold] wrote: The cyclist's have brought this on themselfs, their behaviour is awful they have no regard for anybody or anything else. If they showed a little respect for others it wouldn't be a problem but for some reason they think they have the right to treat people like dirt and make the New Forest their own personal play ground. I'm glad this has happened and I'm sure if they carry on behaving in the same manner they will be moved on again![/p][/quote]Except the MAJORITY weren't to blame, it was a minority, like with anything, it's the minority that ruins it for the majority. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

2:08pm Thu 23 Jan 14

fendercornford says...

As a cyclist I will now book hotels and restaurants in Dorset and support the local economy there, but still ride in the new forest. I feel sorry for the hotel and restaurant owners in the new forest who will loose out.
As a cyclist I will now book hotels and restaurants in Dorset and support the local economy there, but still ride in the new forest. I feel sorry for the hotel and restaurant owners in the new forest who will loose out. fendercornford
  • Score: 10

2:14pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Forest Resident says...

Q1 wrote:
The cyclist's have brought this on themselfs, their behaviour is awful they have no regard for anybody or anything else. If they showed a little respect for others it wouldn't be a problem but for some reason they think they have the right to treat people like dirt and make the New Forest their own personal play ground. I'm glad this has happened and I'm sure if they carry on behaving in the same manner they will be moved on again!
Do please remind me how many people cyclists have killed or injured on New Forest roads compared to drivers of motor vehicles?
[quote][p][bold]Q1[/bold] wrote: The cyclist's have brought this on themselfs, their behaviour is awful they have no regard for anybody or anything else. If they showed a little respect for others it wouldn't be a problem but for some reason they think they have the right to treat people like dirt and make the New Forest their own personal play ground. I'm glad this has happened and I'm sure if they carry on behaving in the same manner they will be moved on again![/p][/quote]Do please remind me how many people cyclists have killed or injured on New Forest roads compared to drivers of motor vehicles? Forest Resident
  • Score: 11

4:12pm Thu 23 Jan 14

befriendly says...

Poppy22 wrote:
Glad to hear that the rides will still go ahead. The New Forest is a National park for enjoyment by ALL and visitors bring money into the Forest and into the Hampshire economy. If some Forest residents don't like that then they're living in the wrong place and should move! As someone else commented recently, the Forest isn't an extension of their private gardens!
And for such rare occasions of these rides, people who object could make sure they stay at home that day or go out of the Forest for a day - it shouldn't be a big issue. (No different to, eg, marathons etc being run in towns and cities).
At least cycles don't pollute the Forest like cars do.
Re the pony round up, yes, the Forest bodies should just let Wiggle know when these things are going to happen. (Or was the pony round up date arranged after the Wiggle ride date announced ....!).
We've seen many Forest residents driving like loonies through the Forest, with no care or consideration for either other drivers or the animals - we would like to see stats for how many New Forest residents kill or injure ponies compared to how many tourists!
The last couple of your lines remind me of where I used to work. The residents of one road wanted police to enforce the speed limit, so they did and 80per cent of convictions were residents of that road.
[quote][p][bold]Poppy22[/bold] wrote: Glad to hear that the rides will still go ahead. The New Forest is a National park for enjoyment by ALL and visitors bring money into the Forest and into the Hampshire economy. If some Forest residents don't like that then they're living in the wrong place and should move! As someone else commented recently, the Forest isn't an extension of their private gardens! And for such rare occasions of these rides, people who object could make sure they stay at home that day or go out of the Forest for a day - it shouldn't be a big issue. (No different to, eg, marathons etc being run in towns and cities). At least cycles don't pollute the Forest like cars do. Re the pony round up, yes, the Forest bodies should just let Wiggle know when these things are going to happen. (Or was the pony round up date arranged after the Wiggle ride date announced ....!). We've seen many Forest residents driving like loonies through the Forest, with no care or consideration for either other drivers or the animals - we would like to see stats for how many New Forest residents kill or injure ponies compared to how many tourists![/p][/quote]The last couple of your lines remind me of where I used to work. The residents of one road wanted police to enforce the speed limit, so they did and 80per cent of convictions were residents of that road. befriendly
  • Score: 6

4:18pm Thu 23 Jan 14

camerajuan says...

Forest Resident wrote:
Q1 wrote:
The cyclist's have brought this on themselfs, their behaviour is awful they have no regard for anybody or anything else. If they showed a little respect for others it wouldn't be a problem but for some reason they think they have the right to treat people like dirt and make the New Forest their own personal play ground. I'm glad this has happened and I'm sure if they carry on behaving in the same manner they will be moved on again!
Do please remind me how many people cyclists have killed or injured on New Forest roads compared to drivers of motor vehicles?
It never fails to amaze me when anti-cyclists continually choose to avoid that topic, whilst cyclists use those exact statistics to defend themselves, yet still get branded a menace.

God bless the stupid gene.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Q1[/bold] wrote: The cyclist's have brought this on themselfs, their behaviour is awful they have no regard for anybody or anything else. If they showed a little respect for others it wouldn't be a problem but for some reason they think they have the right to treat people like dirt and make the New Forest their own personal play ground. I'm glad this has happened and I'm sure if they carry on behaving in the same manner they will be moved on again![/p][/quote]Do please remind me how many people cyclists have killed or injured on New Forest roads compared to drivers of motor vehicles?[/p][/quote]It never fails to amaze me when anti-cyclists continually choose to avoid that topic, whilst cyclists use those exact statistics to defend themselves, yet still get branded a menace. God bless the stupid gene. camerajuan
  • Score: -1

4:19pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

befriendly wrote:
Poppy22 wrote:
Glad to hear that the rides will still go ahead. The New Forest is a National park for enjoyment by ALL and visitors bring money into the Forest and into the Hampshire economy. If some Forest residents don't like that then they're living in the wrong place and should move! As someone else commented recently, the Forest isn't an extension of their private gardens!
And for such rare occasions of these rides, people who object could make sure they stay at home that day or go out of the Forest for a day - it shouldn't be a big issue. (No different to, eg, marathons etc being run in towns and cities).
At least cycles don't pollute the Forest like cars do.
Re the pony round up, yes, the Forest bodies should just let Wiggle know when these things are going to happen. (Or was the pony round up date arranged after the Wiggle ride date announced ....!).
We've seen many Forest residents driving like loonies through the Forest, with no care or consideration for either other drivers or the animals - we would like to see stats for how many New Forest residents kill or injure ponies compared to how many tourists!
The last couple of your lines remind me of where I used to work. The residents of one road wanted police to enforce the speed limit, so they did and 80per cent of convictions were residents of that road.
How hilariously ironic, the ones getting caught were the ones that wanted the speeders to get caught.
[quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poppy22[/bold] wrote: Glad to hear that the rides will still go ahead. The New Forest is a National park for enjoyment by ALL and visitors bring money into the Forest and into the Hampshire economy. If some Forest residents don't like that then they're living in the wrong place and should move! As someone else commented recently, the Forest isn't an extension of their private gardens! And for such rare occasions of these rides, people who object could make sure they stay at home that day or go out of the Forest for a day - it shouldn't be a big issue. (No different to, eg, marathons etc being run in towns and cities). At least cycles don't pollute the Forest like cars do. Re the pony round up, yes, the Forest bodies should just let Wiggle know when these things are going to happen. (Or was the pony round up date arranged after the Wiggle ride date announced ....!). We've seen many Forest residents driving like loonies through the Forest, with no care or consideration for either other drivers or the animals - we would like to see stats for how many New Forest residents kill or injure ponies compared to how many tourists![/p][/quote]The last couple of your lines remind me of where I used to work. The residents of one road wanted police to enforce the speed limit, so they did and 80per cent of convictions were residents of that road.[/p][/quote]How hilariously ironic, the ones getting caught were the ones that wanted the speeders to get caught. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

4:20pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

camerajuan wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Q1 wrote:
The cyclist's have brought this on themselfs, their behaviour is awful they have no regard for anybody or anything else. If they showed a little respect for others it wouldn't be a problem but for some reason they think they have the right to treat people like dirt and make the New Forest their own personal play ground. I'm glad this has happened and I'm sure if they carry on behaving in the same manner they will be moved on again!
Do please remind me how many people cyclists have killed or injured on New Forest roads compared to drivers of motor vehicles?
It never fails to amaze me when anti-cyclists continually choose to avoid that topic, whilst cyclists use those exact statistics to defend themselves, yet still get branded a menace.

God bless the stupid gene.
Let's hope we can breed it out of our species before it's too late.
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Q1[/bold] wrote: The cyclist's have brought this on themselfs, their behaviour is awful they have no regard for anybody or anything else. If they showed a little respect for others it wouldn't be a problem but for some reason they think they have the right to treat people like dirt and make the New Forest their own personal play ground. I'm glad this has happened and I'm sure if they carry on behaving in the same manner they will be moved on again![/p][/quote]Do please remind me how many people cyclists have killed or injured on New Forest roads compared to drivers of motor vehicles?[/p][/quote]It never fails to amaze me when anti-cyclists continually choose to avoid that topic, whilst cyclists use those exact statistics to defend themselves, yet still get branded a menace. God bless the stupid gene.[/p][/quote]Let's hope we can breed it out of our species before it's too late. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -4

4:55pm Thu 23 Jan 14

loosehead says...

As I've said I've driven Army land rovers through the New Forest & the amount of cars pulled over to let children & adults "Go to the toilet " is beyond believe but I never read of an out cry calling for the banning of tourists to the New Forest?
So tacks put in the path of cyclists muck spread across the road, pony round up deliberately set up at the same time as the cycling event to have a reason to call to ban the cycle event?
Then some idiots on here call for the cycle event organisers & the cyclists to show more consideration to the locals? so explain what consideration the locals have for the cyclists & their supporters or the jobs that will now be lost in Hampshire?
As I've said I've driven Army land rovers through the New Forest & the amount of cars pulled over to let children & adults "Go to the toilet " is beyond believe but I never read of an out cry calling for the banning of tourists to the New Forest? So tacks put in the path of cyclists muck spread across the road, pony round up deliberately set up at the same time as the cycling event to have a reason to call to ban the cycle event? Then some idiots on here call for the cycle event organisers & the cyclists to show more consideration to the locals? so explain what consideration the locals have for the cyclists & their supporters or the jobs that will now be lost in Hampshire? loosehead
  • Score: 7

5:31pm Thu 23 Jan 14

good-gosh says...

I like the Forest – keep it nice and quiet like it's always been – that’s what it's for - no change thank you, there's good people.
I like the Forest – keep it nice and quiet like it's always been – that’s what it's for - no change thank you, there's good people. good-gosh
  • Score: 0

6:42pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Drhysted says...

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=rjfMnrGpG
oo

According to a little internet research the Commoners Defence Assosiation merged with the NFPL to produce a commercial company which works the Forest for commercial gain.

The New Forest Show ground is there for commercial gain (although if they ban all the events that are not equestrian they'll soon make a loose).

Now go to the dictionary and look up the word hypocrite.

I am a New Forest resident and I take extreme offense to other people claiming to speak for me. YOU DON'T, OUR FOREST IS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE, not just for those that think it is an extension of their back gardens!
http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=rjfMnrGpG oo According to a little internet research the Commoners Defence Assosiation merged with the NFPL to produce a commercial company which works the Forest for commercial gain. The New Forest Show ground is there for commercial gain (although if they ban all the events that are not equestrian they'll soon make a loose). Now go to the dictionary and look up the word hypocrite. I am a New Forest resident and I take extreme offense to other people claiming to speak for me. YOU DON'T, OUR FOREST IS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE, not just for those that think it is an extension of their back gardens! Drhysted
  • Score: 13

7:28pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

Drhysted wrote:
http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=rjfMnrGpG

oo

According to a little internet research the Commoners Defence Assosiation merged with the NFPL to produce a commercial company which works the Forest for commercial gain.

The New Forest Show ground is there for commercial gain (although if they ban all the events that are not equestrian they'll soon make a loose).

Now go to the dictionary and look up the word hypocrite.

I am a New Forest resident and I take extreme offense to other people claiming to speak for me. YOU DON'T, OUR FOREST IS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE, not just for those that think it is an extension of their back gardens!
After advising other people to look at a dictionary, there are a few words that you ought to look up as well.
[quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=rjfMnrGpG oo According to a little internet research the Commoners Defence Assosiation merged with the NFPL to produce a commercial company which works the Forest for commercial gain. The New Forest Show ground is there for commercial gain (although if they ban all the events that are not equestrian they'll soon make a loose). Now go to the dictionary and look up the word hypocrite. I am a New Forest resident and I take extreme offense to other people claiming to speak for me. YOU DON'T, OUR FOREST IS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE, not just for those that think it is an extension of their back gardens![/p][/quote]After advising other people to look at a dictionary, there are a few words that you ought to look up as well. Torchie1
  • Score: -7

7:44pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Drhysted wrote:
http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=rjfMnrGpG


oo

According to a little internet research the Commoners Defence Assosiation merged with the NFPL to produce a commercial company which works the Forest for commercial gain.

The New Forest Show ground is there for commercial gain (although if they ban all the events that are not equestrian they'll soon make a loose).

Now go to the dictionary and look up the word hypocrite.

I am a New Forest resident and I take extreme offense to other people claiming to speak for me. YOU DON'T, OUR FOREST IS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE, not just for those that think it is an extension of their back gardens!
After advising other people to look at a dictionary, there are a few words that you ought to look up as well.
Maybe Drhysted has dyslexia you inconsiderate fool, think before going into keyboard warrior mode.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=rjfMnrGpG oo According to a little internet research the Commoners Defence Assosiation merged with the NFPL to produce a commercial company which works the Forest for commercial gain. The New Forest Show ground is there for commercial gain (although if they ban all the events that are not equestrian they'll soon make a loose). Now go to the dictionary and look up the word hypocrite. I am a New Forest resident and I take extreme offense to other people claiming to speak for me. YOU DON'T, OUR FOREST IS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE, not just for those that think it is an extension of their back gardens![/p][/quote]After advising other people to look at a dictionary, there are a few words that you ought to look up as well.[/p][/quote]Maybe Drhysted has dyslexia you inconsiderate fool, think before going into keyboard warrior mode. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

8:02pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Drhysted wrote:
http://www.youtube.c



om/watch?v=rjfMnrGpG



oo

According to a little internet research the Commoners Defence Assosiation merged with the NFPL to produce a commercial company which works the Forest for commercial gain.

The New Forest Show ground is there for commercial gain (although if they ban all the events that are not equestrian they'll soon make a loose).

Now go to the dictionary and look up the word hypocrite.

I am a New Forest resident and I take extreme offense to other people claiming to speak for me. YOU DON'T, OUR FOREST IS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE, not just for those that think it is an extension of their back gardens!
After advising other people to look at a dictionary, there are a few words that you ought to look up as well.
Maybe Drhysted has dyslexia you inconsiderate fool, think before going into keyboard warrior mode.
Don't dyslexic computer users know how to use the 'spell-checker' function then?
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=rjfMnrGpG oo According to a little internet research the Commoners Defence Assosiation merged with the NFPL to produce a commercial company which works the Forest for commercial gain. The New Forest Show ground is there for commercial gain (although if they ban all the events that are not equestrian they'll soon make a loose). Now go to the dictionary and look up the word hypocrite. I am a New Forest resident and I take extreme offense to other people claiming to speak for me. YOU DON'T, OUR FOREST IS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE, not just for those that think it is an extension of their back gardens![/p][/quote]After advising other people to look at a dictionary, there are a few words that you ought to look up as well.[/p][/quote]Maybe Drhysted has dyslexia you inconsiderate fool, think before going into keyboard warrior mode.[/p][/quote]Don't dyslexic computer users know how to use the 'spell-checker' function then? Torchie1
  • Score: -3

8:13pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Drhysted wrote:
http://www.youtube.c




om/watch?v=rjfMnrGpG




oo

According to a little internet research the Commoners Defence Assosiation merged with the NFPL to produce a commercial company which works the Forest for commercial gain.

The New Forest Show ground is there for commercial gain (although if they ban all the events that are not equestrian they'll soon make a loose).

Now go to the dictionary and look up the word hypocrite.

I am a New Forest resident and I take extreme offense to other people claiming to speak for me. YOU DON'T, OUR FOREST IS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE, not just for those that think it is an extension of their back gardens!
After advising other people to look at a dictionary, there are a few words that you ought to look up as well.
Maybe Drhysted has dyslexia you inconsiderate fool, think before going into keyboard warrior mode.
Don't dyslexic computer users know how to use the 'spell-checker' function then?
Not everyone knows how to, even those who aren't dyslexic sometimes don't know how to use spell check.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=rjfMnrGpG oo According to a little internet research the Commoners Defence Assosiation merged with the NFPL to produce a commercial company which works the Forest for commercial gain. The New Forest Show ground is there for commercial gain (although if they ban all the events that are not equestrian they'll soon make a loose). Now go to the dictionary and look up the word hypocrite. I am a New Forest resident and I take extreme offense to other people claiming to speak for me. YOU DON'T, OUR FOREST IS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE, not just for those that think it is an extension of their back gardens![/p][/quote]After advising other people to look at a dictionary, there are a few words that you ought to look up as well.[/p][/quote]Maybe Drhysted has dyslexia you inconsiderate fool, think before going into keyboard warrior mode.[/p][/quote]Don't dyslexic computer users know how to use the 'spell-checker' function then?[/p][/quote]Not everyone knows how to, even those who aren't dyslexic sometimes don't know how to use spell check. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 5

8:56pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Drhysted says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Drhysted wrote:
http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=rjfMnrGpG


oo

According to a little internet research the Commoners Defence Assosiation merged with the NFPL to produce a commercial company which works the Forest for commercial gain.

The New Forest Show ground is there for commercial gain (although if they ban all the events that are not equestrian they'll soon make a loose).

Now go to the dictionary and look up the word hypocrite.

I am a New Forest resident and I take extreme offense to other people claiming to speak for me. YOU DON'T, OUR FOREST IS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE, not just for those that think it is an extension of their back gardens!
After advising other people to look at a dictionary, there are a few words that you ought to look up as well.
Now were you agreeing with my valid points, or just picking on spelling because you can't disagree with my very valid points?
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=rjfMnrGpG oo According to a little internet research the Commoners Defence Assosiation merged with the NFPL to produce a commercial company which works the Forest for commercial gain. The New Forest Show ground is there for commercial gain (although if they ban all the events that are not equestrian they'll soon make a loose). Now go to the dictionary and look up the word hypocrite. I am a New Forest resident and I take extreme offense to other people claiming to speak for me. YOU DON'T, OUR FOREST IS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE, not just for those that think it is an extension of their back gardens![/p][/quote]After advising other people to look at a dictionary, there are a few words that you ought to look up as well.[/p][/quote]Now were you agreeing with my valid points, or just picking on spelling because you can't disagree with my very valid points? Drhysted
  • Score: 0

9:00pm Thu 23 Jan 14

geoff51 says...

There is justice at last. When will these arrogant cyclists realise that they are not wanted in the forest, small family groups are no problem but 2000 cycles are not and will never have a place in the working forest.
Unfortunately Matchams it not far enough away and will still encroach on the new forest infrastructure.
Why don't you 2 wheeled idiots get the message you are not welcome in the forest, try London, you will be in good company with the 7000 who got prosecuted for breaking the law!
There is justice at last. When will these arrogant cyclists realise that they are not wanted in the forest, small family groups are no problem but 2000 cycles are not and will never have a place in the working forest. Unfortunately Matchams it not far enough away and will still encroach on the new forest infrastructure. Why don't you 2 wheeled idiots get the message you are not welcome in the forest, try London, you will be in good company with the 7000 who got prosecuted for breaking the law! geoff51
  • Score: -15

9:05pm Thu 23 Jan 14

loosehead says...

geoff51 wrote:
There is justice at last. When will these arrogant cyclists realise that they are not wanted in the forest, small family groups are no problem but 2000 cycles are not and will never have a place in the working forest.
Unfortunately Matchams it not far enough away and will still encroach on the new forest infrastructure.
Why don't you 2 wheeled idiots get the message you are not welcome in the forest, try London, you will be in good company with the 7000 who got prosecuted for breaking the law!
maybe it's idiots like you who are not welcome by the majority of New Forest residents yet you seem to be able to voice your opinions & get an event the majority are happy with stopped?
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: There is justice at last. When will these arrogant cyclists realise that they are not wanted in the forest, small family groups are no problem but 2000 cycles are not and will never have a place in the working forest. Unfortunately Matchams it not far enough away and will still encroach on the new forest infrastructure. Why don't you 2 wheeled idiots get the message you are not welcome in the forest, try London, you will be in good company with the 7000 who got prosecuted for breaking the law![/p][/quote]maybe it's idiots like you who are not welcome by the majority of New Forest residents yet you seem to be able to voice your opinions & get an event the majority are happy with stopped? loosehead
  • Score: 6

7:29am Fri 24 Jan 14

Forest Resident says...

geoff51 wrote:
There is justice at last. When will these arrogant cyclists realise that they are not wanted in the forest, small family groups are no problem but 2000 cycles are not and will never have a place in the working forest.
Unfortunately Matchams it not far enough away and will still encroach on the new forest infrastructure.
Why don't you 2 wheeled idiots get the message you are not welcome in the forest, try London, you will be in good company with the 7000 who got prosecuted for breaking the law!
Barring an unlikely change in the law (which would effect the whole country) it can never be dictated how many cyclists can take to the roads en masse any more than it can for motor vehicles, in the eyes of the law we are all road traffic and have every right to use the roads be that for a leisurely drive/cycle or otherwise, the roads of the New Forest are no exception to that. A small but vocal group of ignorant misguided people may say cyclists are not welcome in the New Forest but the statistics clearly speak for themselves Geoff, cyclists aren't the ones killing and injuring on New Forest roads, and as such cyclists will carry on in the region unperturbed.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: There is justice at last. When will these arrogant cyclists realise that they are not wanted in the forest, small family groups are no problem but 2000 cycles are not and will never have a place in the working forest. Unfortunately Matchams it not far enough away and will still encroach on the new forest infrastructure. Why don't you 2 wheeled idiots get the message you are not welcome in the forest, try London, you will be in good company with the 7000 who got prosecuted for breaking the law![/p][/quote]Barring an unlikely change in the law (which would effect the whole country) it can never be dictated how many cyclists can take to the roads en masse any more than it can for motor vehicles, in the eyes of the law we are all road traffic and have every right to use the roads be that for a leisurely drive/cycle or otherwise, the roads of the New Forest are no exception to that. A small but vocal group of ignorant misguided people may say cyclists are not welcome in the New Forest but the statistics clearly speak for themselves Geoff, cyclists aren't the ones killing and injuring on New Forest roads, and as such cyclists will carry on in the region unperturbed. Forest Resident
  • Score: 6

9:33am Fri 24 Jan 14

Drhysted says...

geoff51 wrote:
There is justice at last. When will these arrogant cyclists realise that they are not wanted in the forest, small family groups are no problem but 2000 cycles are not and will never have a place in the working forest.
Unfortunately Matchams it not far enough away and will still encroach on the new forest infrastructure.
Why don't you 2 wheeled idiots get the message you are not welcome in the forest, try London, you will be in good company with the 7000 who got prosecuted for breaking the law!
When will you understand that the quiet majority wants them here. The businesses are desperate for these events. The New Forest is now reliant upon the tourist trade, and the mamils don't just come here alone, they bring the family. This means substantial money for the area for 5 days disruption a year.

Yes I said 5 days disruption, that leaves 360 for everyone else, now who's not being reasonable here?
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: There is justice at last. When will these arrogant cyclists realise that they are not wanted in the forest, small family groups are no problem but 2000 cycles are not and will never have a place in the working forest. Unfortunately Matchams it not far enough away and will still encroach on the new forest infrastructure. Why don't you 2 wheeled idiots get the message you are not welcome in the forest, try London, you will be in good company with the 7000 who got prosecuted for breaking the law![/p][/quote]When will you understand that the quiet majority wants them here. The businesses are desperate for these events. The New Forest is now reliant upon the tourist trade, and the mamils don't just come here alone, they bring the family. This means substantial money for the area for 5 days disruption a year. Yes I said 5 days disruption, that leaves 360 for everyone else, now who's not being reasonable here? Drhysted
  • Score: 4

11:17am Fri 24 Jan 14

southamptonadi says...

geoff51 wrote:
There is justice at last. When will these arrogant cyclists realise that they are not wanted in the forest, small family groups are no problem but 2000 cycles are not and will never have a place in the working forest.
Unfortunately Matchams it not far enough away and will still encroach on the new forest infrastructure.
Why don't you 2 wheeled idiots get the message you are not welcome in the forest, try London, you will be in good company with the 7000 who got prosecuted for breaking the law!
Justice. Where. From what I can see the Foresters have shot themselves in the foot. The ride will start and end outside of the forest but the ride will mainly be in the forest.

Now they can't do anything about it. As they can not stop someone legally cycling on a road. Maybe Hampshire constabulary will have a few officers enforcing traffic law. If they wanted to sort issues they should of kept it in Brockenhurst. So you will still have your 2000 cyclists ruining your day.

I for one will enjoy my lawfull cycle ride. I have had many reasonable conversations with those who are against it but they are all polite and reasoned. Together we've come up with many ways to improve the ride. I would if I were you fear for the fact that they can't now regulate anything now and you should prey that they stick to what they have said they would do to help the people working carry on with their jobs.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: There is justice at last. When will these arrogant cyclists realise that they are not wanted in the forest, small family groups are no problem but 2000 cycles are not and will never have a place in the working forest. Unfortunately Matchams it not far enough away and will still encroach on the new forest infrastructure. Why don't you 2 wheeled idiots get the message you are not welcome in the forest, try London, you will be in good company with the 7000 who got prosecuted for breaking the law![/p][/quote]Justice. Where. From what I can see the Foresters have shot themselves in the foot. The ride will start and end outside of the forest but the ride will mainly be in the forest. Now they can't do anything about it. As they can not stop someone legally cycling on a road. Maybe Hampshire constabulary will have a few officers enforcing traffic law. If they wanted to sort issues they should of kept it in Brockenhurst. So you will still have your 2000 cyclists ruining your day. I for one will enjoy my lawfull cycle ride. I have had many reasonable conversations with those who are against it but they are all polite and reasoned. Together we've come up with many ways to improve the ride. I would if I were you fear for the fact that they can't now regulate anything now and you should prey that they stick to what they have said they would do to help the people working carry on with their jobs. southamptonadi
  • Score: 3

11:34am Fri 24 Jan 14

camerajuan says...

geoff51 wrote:
There is justice at last. When will these arrogant cyclists realise that they are not wanted in the forest, small family groups are no problem but 2000 cycles are not and will never have a place in the working forest.
Unfortunately Matchams it not far enough away and will still encroach on the new forest infrastructure.
Why don't you 2 wheeled idiots get the message you are not welcome in the forest, try London, you will be in good company with the 7000 who got prosecuted for breaking the law!
Justice for the Forest Dweller!

Less revenue for local businesses! Well done whingers, you've turned something awesome which most people loved into something awesome that will no longer pay you and still use your land! GENIUS!
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: There is justice at last. When will these arrogant cyclists realise that they are not wanted in the forest, small family groups are no problem but 2000 cycles are not and will never have a place in the working forest. Unfortunately Matchams it not far enough away and will still encroach on the new forest infrastructure. Why don't you 2 wheeled idiots get the message you are not welcome in the forest, try London, you will be in good company with the 7000 who got prosecuted for breaking the law![/p][/quote]Justice for the Forest Dweller! Less revenue for local businesses! Well done whingers, you've turned something awesome which most people loved into something awesome that will no longer pay you and still use your land! GENIUS! camerajuan
  • Score: 8

11:50am Fri 24 Jan 14

good-gosh says...

There will be rejoicing in Dorset. Send word to the pie maker to order an extra bag of flour.
There will be rejoicing in Dorset. Send word to the pie maker to order an extra bag of flour. good-gosh
  • Score: 3

3:56pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

Franks Tank wrote:
The mysterious Godshill turd only came to light a month after the event. I thought it had been shown to be a completely fictitious story.
There were several piles and they were discovered by the poor litter warden the next morning. Hyde common, where the primary school children play, was also fouled. Someone else had to clear up a similar mess in her driveway. Why don't witnesses report the culprits? You try reading the little identification numbers on handlebars - and most riders don't relieve themselves while sitting on their bikes. Why didn't Godshill parish council report it until a month later? Because it works democratically and therefore dealt with the subject in its next pre-announced meeting on a pre-announced agenda. It then agreed to submit a formal complaint. What else could it do? What proof have you that this was a "completely fictitious story"?
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: The mysterious Godshill turd only came to light a month after the event. I thought it had been shown to be a completely fictitious story.[/p][/quote]There were several piles and they were discovered by the poor litter warden the next morning. Hyde common, where the primary school children play, was also fouled. Someone else had to clear up a similar mess in her driveway. Why don't witnesses report the culprits? You try reading the little identification numbers on handlebars - and most riders don't relieve themselves while sitting on their bikes. Why didn't Godshill parish council report it until a month later? Because it works democratically and therefore dealt with the subject in its next pre-announced meeting on a pre-announced agenda. It then agreed to submit a formal complaint. What else could it do? What proof have you that this was a "completely fictitious story"? Reconciler
  • Score: -1

4:00pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

Forest Resident wrote:
It is estimated that a single cycle event held by Wiggle near Brockenhurst generated £600,000 for the local economy in terms of use of hotels, b&b's, restaurants, cafe's, and shops etc. With the event now having its start/finish entirely outside of Hampshire and even the New Forest District it is highly likely that that money will also be spent outside of the region, the only people to lose out will be New Forest businesses. Congratulations New Forest NPA on damaging the local economy and the image of the New Forest to visiting cyclists.
But the many businesses who lose trade every Wiggle weekend because their access is blocked by 3,000 (not 2,000) mostly racing riders will raise a big cheer.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: It is estimated that a single cycle event held by Wiggle near Brockenhurst generated £600,000 for the local economy in terms of use of hotels, b&b's, restaurants, cafe's, and shops etc. With the event now having its start/finish entirely outside of Hampshire and even the New Forest District it is highly likely that that money will also be spent outside of the region, the only people to lose out will be New Forest businesses. Congratulations New Forest NPA on damaging the local economy and the image of the New Forest to visiting cyclists.[/p][/quote]But the many businesses who lose trade every Wiggle weekend because their access is blocked by 3,000 (not 2,000) mostly racing riders will raise a big cheer. Reconciler
  • Score: -1

4:06pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

loosehead wrote:
So yet again the Nimby's win & several thousand cyclists & supporters lose. this could have been a chance to build on the races/events leading to more tourism & so more income for local businesses. Surely a pony round up could have been worked around? you notify Wiggle the date of the pony round up each year they put on the event on so it doesn't coincide with the round up & it's done or was the round up just another excuse by NIMBY's?
Actually the 2014 October drift has been rearranged to avoid the Wiggle week-end. Centuries old tradition would have held it then, but the Forest tries to show good will. Nice to be in touch again, Loosehead!

Many local B&Bs, bakers, other small businesses LOSE business because visitors are put off by the unpleasant way they are treated by many (NOT all) of these racing cyclists if they try to use the blocked local roads to access these vital little traders.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So yet again the Nimby's win & several thousand cyclists & supporters lose. this could have been a chance to build on the races/events leading to more tourism & so more income for local businesses. Surely a pony round up could have been worked around? you notify Wiggle the date of the pony round up each year they put on the event on so it doesn't coincide with the round up & it's done or was the round up just another excuse by NIMBY's?[/p][/quote]Actually the 2014 October drift has been rearranged to avoid the Wiggle week-end. Centuries old tradition would have held it then, but the Forest tries to show good will. Nice to be in touch again, Loosehead! Many local B&Bs, bakers, other small businesses LOSE business because visitors are put off by the unpleasant way they are treated by many (NOT all) of these racing cyclists if they try to use the blocked local roads to access these vital little traders. Reconciler
  • Score: -1

5:04pm Sun 2 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Reconciler wrote:
Franks Tank wrote:
The mysterious Godshill turd only came to light a month after the event. I thought it had been shown to be a completely fictitious story.
There were several piles and they were discovered by the poor litter warden the next morning. Hyde common, where the primary school children play, was also fouled. Someone else had to clear up a similar mess in her driveway. Why don't witnesses report the culprits? You try reading the little identification numbers on handlebars - and most riders don't relieve themselves while sitting on their bikes. Why didn't Godshill parish council report it until a month later? Because it works democratically and therefore dealt with the subject in its next pre-announced meeting on a pre-announced agenda. It then agreed to submit a formal complaint. What else could it do? What proof have you that this was a "completely fictitious story"?
not being nasty how can you prove it was the cyclists? how many are going to stop & have a dump out in the open?
Look more mobile toilets on the route could have been one way to go but I've done the Southampton half marathon & the last thing I was thinking about was where to defecate some ones drive I never thought of the loo it was just getting to the end
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: The mysterious Godshill turd only came to light a month after the event. I thought it had been shown to be a completely fictitious story.[/p][/quote]There were several piles and they were discovered by the poor litter warden the next morning. Hyde common, where the primary school children play, was also fouled. Someone else had to clear up a similar mess in her driveway. Why don't witnesses report the culprits? You try reading the little identification numbers on handlebars - and most riders don't relieve themselves while sitting on their bikes. Why didn't Godshill parish council report it until a month later? Because it works democratically and therefore dealt with the subject in its next pre-announced meeting on a pre-announced agenda. It then agreed to submit a formal complaint. What else could it do? What proof have you that this was a "completely fictitious story"?[/p][/quote]not being nasty how can you prove it was the cyclists? how many are going to stop & have a dump out in the open? Look more mobile toilets on the route could have been one way to go but I've done the Southampton half marathon & the last thing I was thinking about was where to defecate some ones drive I never thought of the loo it was just getting to the end loosehead
  • Score: 0

5:45pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

loosehead wrote:
Reconciler wrote:
Franks Tank wrote: The mysterious Godshill turd only came to light a month after the event. I thought it had been shown to be a completely fictitious story.
There were several piles and they were discovered by the poor litter warden the next morning. Hyde common, where the primary school children play, was also fouled. Someone else had to clear up a similar mess in her driveway. Why don't witnesses report the culprits? You try reading the little identification numbers on handlebars - and most riders don't relieve themselves while sitting on their bikes. Why didn't Godshill parish council report it until a month later? Because it works democratically and therefore dealt with the subject in its next pre-announced meeting on a pre-announced agenda. It then agreed to submit a formal complaint. What else could it do? What proof have you that this was a "completely fictitious story"?
not being nasty how can you prove it was the cyclists? how many are going to stop & have a dump out in the open? Look more mobile toilets on the route could have been one way to go but I've done the Southampton half marathon & the last thing I was thinking about was where to defecate some ones drive I never thought of the loo it was just getting to the end
In Hyde they were witnessed. There are only a couple of loos in Godshill Village Hall, and racing riders in a hurry are very likely indeed to use the local grass rather than queue up. This is not the first year excrement has been found immediately after a massive sportive, never at any other time near the village hall. The circumstantial evidence seems incontravertible. Wiggle have had five years to work out how many portaloos should have been provided - but still failed.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: The mysterious Godshill turd only came to light a month after the event. I thought it had been shown to be a completely fictitious story.[/p][/quote]There were several piles and they were discovered by the poor litter warden the next morning. Hyde common, where the primary school children play, was also fouled. Someone else had to clear up a similar mess in her driveway. Why don't witnesses report the culprits? You try reading the little identification numbers on handlebars - and most riders don't relieve themselves while sitting on their bikes. Why didn't Godshill parish council report it until a month later? Because it works democratically and therefore dealt with the subject in its next pre-announced meeting on a pre-announced agenda. It then agreed to submit a formal complaint. What else could it do? What proof have you that this was a "completely fictitious story"?[/p][/quote]not being nasty how can you prove it was the cyclists? how many are going to stop & have a dump out in the open? Look more mobile toilets on the route could have been one way to go but I've done the Southampton half marathon & the last thing I was thinking about was where to defecate some ones drive I never thought of the loo it was just getting to the end[/p][/quote]In Hyde they were witnessed. There are only a couple of loos in Godshill Village Hall, and racing riders in a hurry are very likely indeed to use the local grass rather than queue up. This is not the first year excrement has been found immediately after a massive sportive, never at any other time near the village hall. The circumstantial evidence seems incontravertible. Wiggle have had five years to work out how many portaloos should have been provided - but still failed. Reconciler
  • Score: -1

9:18pm Sun 2 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Reconciler wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Reconciler wrote:
Franks Tank wrote: The mysterious Godshill turd only came to light a month after the event. I thought it had been shown to be a completely fictitious story.
There were several piles and they were discovered by the poor litter warden the next morning. Hyde common, where the primary school children play, was also fouled. Someone else had to clear up a similar mess in her driveway. Why don't witnesses report the culprits? You try reading the little identification numbers on handlebars - and most riders don't relieve themselves while sitting on their bikes. Why didn't Godshill parish council report it until a month later? Because it works democratically and therefore dealt with the subject in its next pre-announced meeting on a pre-announced agenda. It then agreed to submit a formal complaint. What else could it do? What proof have you that this was a "completely fictitious story"?
not being nasty how can you prove it was the cyclists? how many are going to stop & have a dump out in the open? Look more mobile toilets on the route could have been one way to go but I've done the Southampton half marathon & the last thing I was thinking about was where to defecate some ones drive I never thought of the loo it was just getting to the end
In Hyde they were witnessed. There are only a couple of loos in Godshill Village Hall, and racing riders in a hurry are very likely indeed to use the local grass rather than queue up. This is not the first year excrement has been found immediately after a massive sportive, never at any other time near the village hall. The circumstantial evidence seems incontravertible. Wiggle have had five years to work out how many portaloos should have been provided - but still failed.
they were witnessed? so someone stood there & watched them? surely most people have mobile phones now which have in built cameras in them so why not take a picture & hand it over to the police?
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: The mysterious Godshill turd only came to light a month after the event. I thought it had been shown to be a completely fictitious story.[/p][/quote]There were several piles and they were discovered by the poor litter warden the next morning. Hyde common, where the primary school children play, was also fouled. Someone else had to clear up a similar mess in her driveway. Why don't witnesses report the culprits? You try reading the little identification numbers on handlebars - and most riders don't relieve themselves while sitting on their bikes. Why didn't Godshill parish council report it until a month later? Because it works democratically and therefore dealt with the subject in its next pre-announced meeting on a pre-announced agenda. It then agreed to submit a formal complaint. What else could it do? What proof have you that this was a "completely fictitious story"?[/p][/quote]not being nasty how can you prove it was the cyclists? how many are going to stop & have a dump out in the open? Look more mobile toilets on the route could have been one way to go but I've done the Southampton half marathon & the last thing I was thinking about was where to defecate some ones drive I never thought of the loo it was just getting to the end[/p][/quote]In Hyde they were witnessed. There are only a couple of loos in Godshill Village Hall, and racing riders in a hurry are very likely indeed to use the local grass rather than queue up. This is not the first year excrement has been found immediately after a massive sportive, never at any other time near the village hall. The circumstantial evidence seems incontravertible. Wiggle have had five years to work out how many portaloos should have been provided - but still failed.[/p][/quote]they were witnessed? so someone stood there & watched them? surely most people have mobile phones now which have in built cameras in them so why not take a picture & hand it over to the police? loosehead
  • Score: 0

10:34pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Reconciler wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Reconciler wrote:
Franks Tank wrote: The mysterious Godshill turd only came to light a month after the event. I thought it had been shown to be a completely fictitious story.
There were several piles and they were discovered by the poor litter warden the next morning. Hyde common, where the primary school children play, was also fouled. Someone else had to clear up a similar mess in her driveway. Why don't witnesses report the culprits? You try reading the little identification numbers on handlebars - and most riders don't relieve themselves while sitting on their bikes. Why didn't Godshill parish council report it until a month later? Because it works democratically and therefore dealt with the subject in its next pre-announced meeting on a pre-announced agenda. It then agreed to submit a formal complaint. What else could it do? What proof have you that this was a "completely fictitious story"?
not being nasty how can you prove it was the cyclists? how many are going to stop & have a dump out in the open? Look more mobile toilets on the route could have been one way to go but I've done the Southampton half marathon & the last thing I was thinking about was where to defecate some ones drive I never thought of the loo it was just getting to the end
In Hyde they were witnessed. There are only a couple of loos in Godshill Village Hall, and racing riders in a hurry are very likely indeed to use the local grass rather than queue up. This is not the first year excrement has been found immediately after a massive sportive, never at any other time near the village hall. The circumstantial evidence seems incontravertible. Wiggle have had five years to work out how many portaloos should have been provided - but still failed.
they were witnessed? so someone stood there & watched them? surely most people have mobile phones now which have in built cameras in them so why not take a picture & hand it over to the police?
Kinky
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: The mysterious Godshill turd only came to light a month after the event. I thought it had been shown to be a completely fictitious story.[/p][/quote]There were several piles and they were discovered by the poor litter warden the next morning. Hyde common, where the primary school children play, was also fouled. Someone else had to clear up a similar mess in her driveway. Why don't witnesses report the culprits? You try reading the little identification numbers on handlebars - and most riders don't relieve themselves while sitting on their bikes. Why didn't Godshill parish council report it until a month later? Because it works democratically and therefore dealt with the subject in its next pre-announced meeting on a pre-announced agenda. It then agreed to submit a formal complaint. What else could it do? What proof have you that this was a "completely fictitious story"?[/p][/quote]not being nasty how can you prove it was the cyclists? how many are going to stop & have a dump out in the open? Look more mobile toilets on the route could have been one way to go but I've done the Southampton half marathon & the last thing I was thinking about was where to defecate some ones drive I never thought of the loo it was just getting to the end[/p][/quote]In Hyde they were witnessed. There are only a couple of loos in Godshill Village Hall, and racing riders in a hurry are very likely indeed to use the local grass rather than queue up. This is not the first year excrement has been found immediately after a massive sportive, never at any other time near the village hall. The circumstantial evidence seems incontravertible. Wiggle have had five years to work out how many portaloos should have been provided - but still failed.[/p][/quote]they were witnessed? so someone stood there & watched them? surely most people have mobile phones now which have in built cameras in them so why not take a picture & hand it over to the police?[/p][/quote]Kinky Inform Al
  • Score: 0

10:51pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

Unfortunately not all country folk carry phone cameras and with identification only legible througth a professional lens the culprits remain incognito. The police are not interested, despite hundreds of incriminating professional photos published online, often with legible identification, of blatant racing, disregard of the rules of the road and inconsiderate riding. Perhaps considerate cyclists should be campaigning for prosecution of those who bring the sport into disrepute.
Unfortunately not all country folk carry phone cameras and with identification only legible througth a professional lens the culprits remain incognito. The police are not interested, despite hundreds of incriminating professional photos published online, often with legible identification, of blatant racing, disregard of the rules of the road and inconsiderate riding. Perhaps considerate cyclists should be campaigning for prosecution of those who bring the sport into disrepute. Reconciler
  • Score: -1

6:51am Mon 3 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Reconciler wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Reconciler wrote:
Franks Tank wrote: The mysterious Godshill turd only came to light a month after the event. I thought it had been shown to be a completely fictitious story.
There were several piles and they were discovered by the poor litter warden the next morning. Hyde common, where the primary school children play, was also fouled. Someone else had to clear up a similar mess in her driveway. Why don't witnesses report the culprits? You try reading the little identification numbers on handlebars - and most riders don't relieve themselves while sitting on their bikes. Why didn't Godshill parish council report it until a month later? Because it works democratically and therefore dealt with the subject in its next pre-announced meeting on a pre-announced agenda. It then agreed to submit a formal complaint. What else could it do? What proof have you that this was a "completely fictitious story"?
not being nasty how can you prove it was the cyclists? how many are going to stop & have a dump out in the open? Look more mobile toilets on the route could have been one way to go but I've done the Southampton half marathon & the last thing I was thinking about was where to defecate some ones drive I never thought of the loo it was just getting to the end
In Hyde they were witnessed. There are only a couple of loos in Godshill Village Hall, and racing riders in a hurry are very likely indeed to use the local grass rather than queue up. This is not the first year excrement has been found immediately after a massive sportive, never at any other time near the village hall. The circumstantial evidence seems incontravertible. Wiggle have had five years to work out how many portaloos should have been provided - but still failed.
they were witnessed? so someone stood there & watched them? surely most people have mobile phones now which have in built cameras in them so why not take a picture & hand it over to the police?
Kinky
i agree would you stand & watch some one having a dump?
I've been a scallywag in my youth but never dumped in the open for all to see?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: The mysterious Godshill turd only came to light a month after the event. I thought it had been shown to be a completely fictitious story.[/p][/quote]There were several piles and they were discovered by the poor litter warden the next morning. Hyde common, where the primary school children play, was also fouled. Someone else had to clear up a similar mess in her driveway. Why don't witnesses report the culprits? You try reading the little identification numbers on handlebars - and most riders don't relieve themselves while sitting on their bikes. Why didn't Godshill parish council report it until a month later? Because it works democratically and therefore dealt with the subject in its next pre-announced meeting on a pre-announced agenda. It then agreed to submit a formal complaint. What else could it do? What proof have you that this was a "completely fictitious story"?[/p][/quote]not being nasty how can you prove it was the cyclists? how many are going to stop & have a dump out in the open? Look more mobile toilets on the route could have been one way to go but I've done the Southampton half marathon & the last thing I was thinking about was where to defecate some ones drive I never thought of the loo it was just getting to the end[/p][/quote]In Hyde they were witnessed. There are only a couple of loos in Godshill Village Hall, and racing riders in a hurry are very likely indeed to use the local grass rather than queue up. This is not the first year excrement has been found immediately after a massive sportive, never at any other time near the village hall. The circumstantial evidence seems incontravertible. Wiggle have had five years to work out how many portaloos should have been provided - but still failed.[/p][/quote]they were witnessed? so someone stood there & watched them? surely most people have mobile phones now which have in built cameras in them so why not take a picture & hand it over to the police?[/p][/quote]Kinky[/p][/quote]i agree would you stand & watch some one having a dump? I've been a scallywag in my youth but never dumped in the open for all to see? loosehead
  • Score: 0

10:07am Mon 3 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

The witnesses did their duty by reporting the incidents to their local councillor. Other cyclists must have seen the behaviour. Have any of them reported it? Writers on cycling chat sites complain about the bad behaviour, foul language, inconsiderate/danger
ous riding. So come on, considerate riders - help eliminate the problems by reporting the culprits, so that you can enjoy your events in peace. You could use your helmet cameras! Not all cyclists are angels and the "them and us" attitude in threads such as this needs to change. Take the trouble to learn about and respect the way of life in the Forest which provides the beautiful scenery which these aggressive riders are supposed to be here to enjoy, but instead disrupt and curse for hindering their racing. Unfortunately we have to face up to the fact that this is the impression given, because anyone who points out that we ALL have the right to use the roads - especially those working hard to maintain it with their animals - is virtually always simply dismissed as a nimby. Try to see the genuine problems 3,000 riders cause on the working roads of the Forest. You cannot demand that the workers keep out of the way as these events get ever bigger and more frequent. Animals work to routine and are upset by changes. Why not adjust your riding rather than expecting Forest maintenance to cease for several hours to facilitate your sport? The vast majority of Forest residents are not nimbies, and want to welcome considerate riders in reasonable numbers.
The witnesses did their duty by reporting the incidents to their local councillor. Other cyclists must have seen the behaviour. Have any of them reported it? Writers on cycling chat sites complain about the bad behaviour, foul language, inconsiderate/danger ous riding. So come on, considerate riders - help eliminate the problems by reporting the culprits, so that you can enjoy your events in peace. You could use your helmet cameras! Not all cyclists are angels and the "them and us" attitude in threads such as this needs to change. Take the trouble to learn about and respect the way of life in the Forest which provides the beautiful scenery which these aggressive riders are supposed to be here to enjoy, but instead disrupt and curse for hindering their racing. Unfortunately we have to face up to the fact that this is the impression given, because anyone who points out that we ALL have the right to use the roads - especially those working hard to maintain it with their animals - is virtually always simply dismissed as a nimby. Try to see the genuine problems 3,000 riders cause on the working roads of the Forest. You cannot demand that the workers keep out of the way as these events get ever bigger and more frequent. Animals work to routine and are upset by changes. Why not adjust your riding rather than expecting Forest maintenance to cease for several hours to facilitate your sport? The vast majority of Forest residents are not nimbies, and want to welcome considerate riders in reasonable numbers. Reconciler
  • Score: 0

11:31am Mon 3 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Reconciler wrote:
The witnesses did their duty by reporting the incidents to their local councillor. Other cyclists must have seen the behaviour. Have any of them reported it? Writers on cycling chat sites complain about the bad behaviour, foul language, inconsiderate/danger

ous riding. So come on, considerate riders - help eliminate the problems by reporting the culprits, so that you can enjoy your events in peace. You could use your helmet cameras! Not all cyclists are angels and the "them and us" attitude in threads such as this needs to change. Take the trouble to learn about and respect the way of life in the Forest which provides the beautiful scenery which these aggressive riders are supposed to be here to enjoy, but instead disrupt and curse for hindering their racing. Unfortunately we have to face up to the fact that this is the impression given, because anyone who points out that we ALL have the right to use the roads - especially those working hard to maintain it with their animals - is virtually always simply dismissed as a nimby. Try to see the genuine problems 3,000 riders cause on the working roads of the Forest. You cannot demand that the workers keep out of the way as these events get ever bigger and more frequent. Animals work to routine and are upset by changes. Why not adjust your riding rather than expecting Forest maintenance to cease for several hours to facilitate your sport? The vast majority of Forest residents are not nimbies, and want to welcome considerate riders in reasonable numbers.
You come on here saying how much local businesses lose when these events are on yet we've had at least one business on here not happy that the Anti cycling brigade has lost them revenue.
We've had Forest resident on here upset about the Anti cycling brigade.
now look at your posts again & talk about us & them! you are putting up false arguments according to actual Forest residents so why? what is it your so upset about your making up excuses to ban this event?
it's rather backfired on the Anti Cycling brigade as it will still go through the forest but start in Dorset so all the B&B's, pubs, cafes & shops in Dorset will see an up turn in trade. Hampshire will according to B&B owners lose trade so I hope the horse brigade & the NIMBY's are happy with this result.
Try running a marathon & see how many toilets are provided?
Try driving down to the New Forest & see how many public toilets there are once you reach the edge of the New Forest?
are you saying all those tourists don't defecate/urinate in the Forest?
Reconcillor try reading posts from forest residents from both sides not just those that fit ion with your way of thinking!
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: The witnesses did their duty by reporting the incidents to their local councillor. Other cyclists must have seen the behaviour. Have any of them reported it? Writers on cycling chat sites complain about the bad behaviour, foul language, inconsiderate/danger ous riding. So come on, considerate riders - help eliminate the problems by reporting the culprits, so that you can enjoy your events in peace. You could use your helmet cameras! Not all cyclists are angels and the "them and us" attitude in threads such as this needs to change. Take the trouble to learn about and respect the way of life in the Forest which provides the beautiful scenery which these aggressive riders are supposed to be here to enjoy, but instead disrupt and curse for hindering their racing. Unfortunately we have to face up to the fact that this is the impression given, because anyone who points out that we ALL have the right to use the roads - especially those working hard to maintain it with their animals - is virtually always simply dismissed as a nimby. Try to see the genuine problems 3,000 riders cause on the working roads of the Forest. You cannot demand that the workers keep out of the way as these events get ever bigger and more frequent. Animals work to routine and are upset by changes. Why not adjust your riding rather than expecting Forest maintenance to cease for several hours to facilitate your sport? The vast majority of Forest residents are not nimbies, and want to welcome considerate riders in reasonable numbers.[/p][/quote]You come on here saying how much local businesses lose when these events are on yet we've had at least one business on here not happy that the Anti cycling brigade has lost them revenue. We've had Forest resident on here upset about the Anti cycling brigade. now look at your posts again & talk about us & them! you are putting up false arguments according to actual Forest residents so why? what is it your so upset about your making up excuses to ban this event? it's rather backfired on the Anti Cycling brigade as it will still go through the forest but start in Dorset so all the B&B's, pubs, cafes & shops in Dorset will see an up turn in trade. Hampshire will according to B&B owners lose trade so I hope the horse brigade & the NIMBY's are happy with this result. Try running a marathon & see how many toilets are provided? Try driving down to the New Forest & see how many public toilets there are once you reach the edge of the New Forest? are you saying all those tourists don't defecate/urinate in the Forest? Reconcillor try reading posts from forest residents from both sides not just those that fit ion with your way of thinking! loosehead
  • Score: 0

11:59am Mon 3 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Reconciler wrote:
The witnesses did their duty by reporting the incidents to their local councillor. Other cyclists must have seen the behaviour. Have any of them reported it? Writers on cycling chat sites complain about the bad behaviour, foul language, inconsiderate/danger


ous riding. So come on, considerate riders - help eliminate the problems by reporting the culprits, so that you can enjoy your events in peace. You could use your helmet cameras! Not all cyclists are angels and the "them and us" attitude in threads such as this needs to change. Take the trouble to learn about and respect the way of life in the Forest which provides the beautiful scenery which these aggressive riders are supposed to be here to enjoy, but instead disrupt and curse for hindering their racing. Unfortunately we have to face up to the fact that this is the impression given, because anyone who points out that we ALL have the right to use the roads - especially those working hard to maintain it with their animals - is virtually always simply dismissed as a nimby. Try to see the genuine problems 3,000 riders cause on the working roads of the Forest. You cannot demand that the workers keep out of the way as these events get ever bigger and more frequent. Animals work to routine and are upset by changes. Why not adjust your riding rather than expecting Forest maintenance to cease for several hours to facilitate your sport? The vast majority of Forest residents are not nimbies, and want to welcome considerate riders in reasonable numbers.
You come on here saying how much local businesses lose when these events are on yet we've had at least one business on here not happy that the Anti cycling brigade has lost them revenue.
We've had Forest resident on here upset about the Anti cycling brigade.
now look at your posts again & talk about us & them! you are putting up false arguments according to actual Forest residents so why? what is it your so upset about your making up excuses to ban this event?
it's rather backfired on the Anti Cycling brigade as it will still go through the forest but start in Dorset so all the B&B's, pubs, cafes & shops in Dorset will see an up turn in trade. Hampshire will according to B&B owners lose trade so I hope the horse brigade & the NIMBY's are happy with this result.
Try running a marathon & see how many toilets are provided?
Try driving down to the New Forest & see how many public toilets there are once you reach the edge of the New Forest?
are you saying all those tourists don't defecate/urinate in the Forest?
Reconcillor try reading posts from forest residents from both sides not just those that fit ion with your way of thinking!
Actually Loosehead, as an outsider that used to drive lorries through the New Forest, I thought the last post was quite even handed. I used to stick to the 40mph limit in the New Forest, often going slower if I thought it necessary, and have been amazed at the locals that used to overtake me. There are pr4ts on both sides of this argument.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: The witnesses did their duty by reporting the incidents to their local councillor. Other cyclists must have seen the behaviour. Have any of them reported it? Writers on cycling chat sites complain about the bad behaviour, foul language, inconsiderate/danger ous riding. So come on, considerate riders - help eliminate the problems by reporting the culprits, so that you can enjoy your events in peace. You could use your helmet cameras! Not all cyclists are angels and the "them and us" attitude in threads such as this needs to change. Take the trouble to learn about and respect the way of life in the Forest which provides the beautiful scenery which these aggressive riders are supposed to be here to enjoy, but instead disrupt and curse for hindering their racing. Unfortunately we have to face up to the fact that this is the impression given, because anyone who points out that we ALL have the right to use the roads - especially those working hard to maintain it with their animals - is virtually always simply dismissed as a nimby. Try to see the genuine problems 3,000 riders cause on the working roads of the Forest. You cannot demand that the workers keep out of the way as these events get ever bigger and more frequent. Animals work to routine and are upset by changes. Why not adjust your riding rather than expecting Forest maintenance to cease for several hours to facilitate your sport? The vast majority of Forest residents are not nimbies, and want to welcome considerate riders in reasonable numbers.[/p][/quote]You come on here saying how much local businesses lose when these events are on yet we've had at least one business on here not happy that the Anti cycling brigade has lost them revenue. We've had Forest resident on here upset about the Anti cycling brigade. now look at your posts again & talk about us & them! you are putting up false arguments according to actual Forest residents so why? what is it your so upset about your making up excuses to ban this event? it's rather backfired on the Anti Cycling brigade as it will still go through the forest but start in Dorset so all the B&B's, pubs, cafes & shops in Dorset will see an up turn in trade. Hampshire will according to B&B owners lose trade so I hope the horse brigade & the NIMBY's are happy with this result. Try running a marathon & see how many toilets are provided? Try driving down to the New Forest & see how many public toilets there are once you reach the edge of the New Forest? are you saying all those tourists don't defecate/urinate in the Forest? Reconcillor try reading posts from forest residents from both sides not just those that fit ion with your way of thinking![/p][/quote]Actually Loosehead, as an outsider that used to drive lorries through the New Forest, I thought the last post was quite even handed. I used to stick to the 40mph limit in the New Forest, often going slower if I thought it necessary, and have been amazed at the locals that used to overtake me. There are pr4ts on both sides of this argument. Inform Al
  • Score: 1

12:30pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

We need to find a balance between all the different interests. I was merely pointing out that whereas some businesses benefit (and write and say so), a lot of others lose trade. A good local B&B complains to its parish council that it has bookings cancelled once the clients find out about the events, for instance, and the only access road to a wonderful pub/restaurant will be blocked by Wiggle riders for about 7 spring/summer/autumn weekends - their main income season apart from Christmas. There are loads of other sufferers. Surely we should not be ignoring businesses such as these? Should weddings at the local church change their dates? Some residents live in areas where the ride goes through smoothly, so are not upset. Others can't get out of their drives without danger for hours on end, so are upset. Almost none are against reasonable numbers of considerate cyclists - indeed these are welcomed. No one is making up excuses to get the event banned. It is the vast numbers of riders racing against the clock/each other high on adrenalin which cause such real problems. Wiggle claim to have slashed the numbers, yet this year 3,000 is announced as the maximum as compared to 2,800 last year! Is it really possible to slash upwards? And 3,000 is probably a low estimate, as there are always a hundred or so hangers-on, riding without paying, plus under 16s ridiing free, and organiser and promoter traffic.

There is very little incidence of defecation in the open Forest by tourists or other users. Presumably this is because it takes only approximately 15-20 minutes to cross in a motor vehicle. In contrast 3,000 riders using the roads for 4.5 - 7+ hours obviously need more facilities - which the profit-making organisers have a duty to provide and the riders have a duty to use, even if they have to queue up. I remember seeing on TV scores of portaloos lined up for marathons! Only in extreme emergency do runners squat at the side of the road.

Finally, I doubt if Dorset will gain much trade, as the venue is on the very edge of that county, much more accessible to Ringwood, Fordingbridge and their nearby pubs and shops.
We need to find a balance between all the different interests. I was merely pointing out that whereas some businesses benefit (and write and say so), a lot of others lose trade. A good local B&B complains to its parish council that it has bookings cancelled once the clients find out about the events, for instance, and the only access road to a wonderful pub/restaurant will be blocked by Wiggle riders for about 7 spring/summer/autumn weekends - their main income season apart from Christmas. There are loads of other sufferers. Surely we should not be ignoring businesses such as these? Should weddings at the local church change their dates? Some residents live in areas where the ride goes through smoothly, so are not upset. Others can't get out of their drives without danger for hours on end, so are upset. Almost none are against reasonable numbers of considerate cyclists - indeed these are welcomed. No one is making up excuses to get the event banned. It is the vast numbers of riders racing against the clock/each other high on adrenalin which cause such real problems. Wiggle claim to have slashed the numbers, yet this year 3,000 is announced as the maximum as compared to 2,800 last year! Is it really possible to slash upwards? And 3,000 is probably a low estimate, as there are always a hundred or so hangers-on, riding without paying, plus under 16s ridiing free, and organiser and promoter traffic. There is very little incidence of defecation in the open Forest by tourists or other users. Presumably this is because it takes only approximately 15-20 minutes to cross in a motor vehicle. In contrast 3,000 riders using the roads for 4.5 - 7+ hours obviously need more facilities - which the profit-making organisers have a duty to provide and the riders have a duty to use, even if they have to queue up. I remember seeing on TV scores of portaloos lined up for marathons! Only in extreme emergency do runners squat at the side of the road. Finally, I doubt if Dorset will gain much trade, as the venue is on the very edge of that county, much more accessible to Ringwood, Fordingbridge and their nearby pubs and shops. Reconciler
  • Score: 0

2:46pm Mon 3 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Reconciler wrote:
The witnesses did their duty by reporting the incidents to their local councillor. Other cyclists must have seen the behaviour. Have any of them reported it? Writers on cycling chat sites complain about the bad behaviour, foul language, inconsiderate/danger



ous riding. So come on, considerate riders - help eliminate the problems by reporting the culprits, so that you can enjoy your events in peace. You could use your helmet cameras! Not all cyclists are angels and the "them and us" attitude in threads such as this needs to change. Take the trouble to learn about and respect the way of life in the Forest which provides the beautiful scenery which these aggressive riders are supposed to be here to enjoy, but instead disrupt and curse for hindering their racing. Unfortunately we have to face up to the fact that this is the impression given, because anyone who points out that we ALL have the right to use the roads - especially those working hard to maintain it with their animals - is virtually always simply dismissed as a nimby. Try to see the genuine problems 3,000 riders cause on the working roads of the Forest. You cannot demand that the workers keep out of the way as these events get ever bigger and more frequent. Animals work to routine and are upset by changes. Why not adjust your riding rather than expecting Forest maintenance to cease for several hours to facilitate your sport? The vast majority of Forest residents are not nimbies, and want to welcome considerate riders in reasonable numbers.
You come on here saying how much local businesses lose when these events are on yet we've had at least one business on here not happy that the Anti cycling brigade has lost them revenue.
We've had Forest resident on here upset about the Anti cycling brigade.
now look at your posts again & talk about us & them! you are putting up false arguments according to actual Forest residents so why? what is it your so upset about your making up excuses to ban this event?
it's rather backfired on the Anti Cycling brigade as it will still go through the forest but start in Dorset so all the B&B's, pubs, cafes & shops in Dorset will see an up turn in trade. Hampshire will according to B&B owners lose trade so I hope the horse brigade & the NIMBY's are happy with this result.
Try running a marathon & see how many toilets are provided?
Try driving down to the New Forest & see how many public toilets there are once you reach the edge of the New Forest?
are you saying all those tourists don't defecate/urinate in the Forest?
Reconcillor try reading posts from forest residents from both sides not just those that fit ion with your way of thinking!
Actually Loosehead, as an outsider that used to drive lorries through the New Forest, I thought the last post was quite even handed. I used to stick to the 40mph limit in the New Forest, often going slower if I thought it necessary, and have been amazed at the locals that used to overtake me. There are pr4ts on both sides of this argument.
as a member(ex) of RCT TA I drove Lorries & land rovers quite often through the forest.
I saw more cars getting upset with Tractor drivers/farmers yet never saw a tail back through a bicycle
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: The witnesses did their duty by reporting the incidents to their local councillor. Other cyclists must have seen the behaviour. Have any of them reported it? Writers on cycling chat sites complain about the bad behaviour, foul language, inconsiderate/danger ous riding. So come on, considerate riders - help eliminate the problems by reporting the culprits, so that you can enjoy your events in peace. You could use your helmet cameras! Not all cyclists are angels and the "them and us" attitude in threads such as this needs to change. Take the trouble to learn about and respect the way of life in the Forest which provides the beautiful scenery which these aggressive riders are supposed to be here to enjoy, but instead disrupt and curse for hindering their racing. Unfortunately we have to face up to the fact that this is the impression given, because anyone who points out that we ALL have the right to use the roads - especially those working hard to maintain it with their animals - is virtually always simply dismissed as a nimby. Try to see the genuine problems 3,000 riders cause on the working roads of the Forest. You cannot demand that the workers keep out of the way as these events get ever bigger and more frequent. Animals work to routine and are upset by changes. Why not adjust your riding rather than expecting Forest maintenance to cease for several hours to facilitate your sport? The vast majority of Forest residents are not nimbies, and want to welcome considerate riders in reasonable numbers.[/p][/quote]You come on here saying how much local businesses lose when these events are on yet we've had at least one business on here not happy that the Anti cycling brigade has lost them revenue. We've had Forest resident on here upset about the Anti cycling brigade. now look at your posts again & talk about us & them! you are putting up false arguments according to actual Forest residents so why? what is it your so upset about your making up excuses to ban this event? it's rather backfired on the Anti Cycling brigade as it will still go through the forest but start in Dorset so all the B&B's, pubs, cafes & shops in Dorset will see an up turn in trade. Hampshire will according to B&B owners lose trade so I hope the horse brigade & the NIMBY's are happy with this result. Try running a marathon & see how many toilets are provided? Try driving down to the New Forest & see how many public toilets there are once you reach the edge of the New Forest? are you saying all those tourists don't defecate/urinate in the Forest? Reconcillor try reading posts from forest residents from both sides not just those that fit ion with your way of thinking![/p][/quote]Actually Loosehead, as an outsider that used to drive lorries through the New Forest, I thought the last post was quite even handed. I used to stick to the 40mph limit in the New Forest, often going slower if I thought it necessary, and have been amazed at the locals that used to overtake me. There are pr4ts on both sides of this argument.[/p][/quote]as a member(ex) of RCT TA I drove Lorries & land rovers quite often through the forest. I saw more cars getting upset with Tractor drivers/farmers yet never saw a tail back through a bicycle loosehead
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10:00pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

We're not talking about one bicycle, but 3,000 being sent out at a rate of at least 20 per minute, forming big clumps which take up the whole road for miles at a time. You would certainly see ordinary traffic held up, not to mention boxed in, forced on to the verge, etc., if you tried to use the little lanes of the Forest during one of these mass cycling events. Lorries over 7.5t are no longer allowed to use Forest roads except for access. Tractors rarely do long journeys, and are usually quite considerate. They are part of the working life of the Forest and helping to maintain it for the nation to enjoy, so have to be accepted as part of the landscape, the same as most of the 4 wheel drive vehicles used for carting hay, etc., about on rough tracks. The problem under discussion in this thread is not speeding cars - they are another very thorny subject. Bad driving behaviour does not make bad cycling behaviour OK.
We're not talking about one bicycle, but 3,000 being sent out at a rate of at least 20 per minute, forming big clumps which take up the whole road for miles at a time. You would certainly see ordinary traffic held up, not to mention boxed in, forced on to the verge, etc., if you tried to use the little lanes of the Forest during one of these mass cycling events. Lorries over 7.5t are no longer allowed to use Forest roads except for access. Tractors rarely do long journeys, and are usually quite considerate. They are part of the working life of the Forest and helping to maintain it for the nation to enjoy, so have to be accepted as part of the landscape, the same as most of the 4 wheel drive vehicles used for carting hay, etc., about on rough tracks. The problem under discussion in this thread is not speeding cars - they are another very thorny subject. Bad driving behaviour does not make bad cycling behaviour OK. Reconciler
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3:16pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

Loosehead, you say:
now look at your posts again & talk about us & them! you are putting up false arguments according to actual Forest residents so why? what is it your so upset about your making up excuses to ban this event?

I take pride in investigating carefully before I add to this thread, so am worried that you think I am putting up false arguments. If you can show that anything I have said is untrue I will apologise. The fact that one or two people don't agree with me doesn't mean that I have lied. I can support my statements with reams of evidence from all over the Forest. No excuses, and certainly none made up - just genuine workers and residents protesting about severe problem -, so I am trying to help find a middle way.
Loosehead, you say: now look at your posts again & talk about us & them! you are putting up false arguments according to actual Forest residents so why? what is it your so upset about your making up excuses to ban this event? I take pride in investigating carefully before I add to this thread, so am worried that you think I am putting up false arguments. If you can show that anything I have said is untrue I will apologise. The fact that one or two people don't agree with me doesn't mean that I have lied. I can support my statements with reams of evidence from all over the Forest. No excuses, and certainly none made up - just genuine workers and residents protesting about severe problem -, so I am trying to help find a middle way. Reconciler
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6:19pm Tue 4 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Reconciler wrote:
Loosehead, you say:
now look at your posts again & talk about us & them! you are putting up false arguments according to actual Forest residents so why? what is it your so upset about your making up excuses to ban this event?

I take pride in investigating carefully before I add to this thread, so am worried that you think I am putting up false arguments. If you can show that anything I have said is untrue I will apologise. The fact that one or two people don't agree with me doesn't mean that I have lied. I can support my statements with reams of evidence from all over the Forest. No excuses, and certainly none made up - just genuine workers and residents protesting about severe problem -, so I am trying to help find a middle way.
because we moan about chavs & gangs & the only way to stop kids getting out of that style of live is to get them into sport & cycling is a great sport.
I've put up with parents who'd rather little johnny hanged around with his mates(gang) than play Rugby as they might get hurt yet here's a sport where all ages can do it together & a bunch of Nimby's are trying to ban it?
(I haven't got a bike but love sport)
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: Loosehead, you say: now look at your posts again & talk about us & them! you are putting up false arguments according to actual Forest residents so why? what is it your so upset about your making up excuses to ban this event? I take pride in investigating carefully before I add to this thread, so am worried that you think I am putting up false arguments. If you can show that anything I have said is untrue I will apologise. The fact that one or two people don't agree with me doesn't mean that I have lied. I can support my statements with reams of evidence from all over the Forest. No excuses, and certainly none made up - just genuine workers and residents protesting about severe problem -, so I am trying to help find a middle way.[/p][/quote]because we moan about chavs & gangs & the only way to stop kids getting out of that style of live is to get them into sport & cycling is a great sport. I've put up with parents who'd rather little johnny hanged around with his mates(gang) than play Rugby as they might get hurt yet here's a sport where all ages can do it together & a bunch of Nimby's are trying to ban it? (I haven't got a bike but love sport) loosehead
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8:50pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

I used to be a cyclist, now have sporty grandchildren including a good rugby player, and have loved sport all my life - but not sport which seriously disrupts the whole way of life of a very special area. Why not use the Gridiron pattern, where there is no timing and riders find their way to various points in the Forest, causing very little disturbance? Great day out, healthy exercise, learning about the special qualities of the Forest. All ages enjoy it. Aggressive, adrenalin-fuelled sport needs to be conducted in areas like rugby pitches. How would you feel if it was your frail elderly mother just out of hospital trying to use a gap in the peloton to cross the road with her dog who was ridden at by a wall of aggressive racing cyclists taking up the whole road, shouting at her and swerving at the last moment between her and the dog? Yes, witnessed. I suppose it could be said to be OK if it is only themselves such riders put at risk, but I can't accept that they must be given the right to terrify others. I am not trying to ban it, but want safety for ALL, lower numbers that can be safely accommodated on the narrow lanes, adherence to the cycling code and mutual respect. Why is that too much to ask?
I used to be a cyclist, now have sporty grandchildren including a good rugby player, and have loved sport all my life - but not sport which seriously disrupts the whole way of life of a very special area. Why not use the Gridiron pattern, where there is no timing and riders find their way to various points in the Forest, causing very little disturbance? Great day out, healthy exercise, learning about the special qualities of the Forest. All ages enjoy it. Aggressive, adrenalin-fuelled sport needs to be conducted in areas like rugby pitches. How would you feel if it was your frail elderly mother just out of hospital trying to use a gap in the peloton to cross the road with her dog who was ridden at by a wall of aggressive racing cyclists taking up the whole road, shouting at her and swerving at the last moment between her and the dog? Yes, witnessed. I suppose it could be said to be OK if it is only themselves such riders put at risk, but I can't accept that they must be given the right to terrify others. I am not trying to ban it, but want safety for ALL, lower numbers that can be safely accommodated on the narrow lanes, adherence to the cycling code and mutual respect. Why is that too much to ask? Reconciler
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12:37am Thu 13 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

Reconciler wrote:
I used to be a cyclist, now have sporty grandchildren including a good rugby player, and have loved sport all my life - but not sport which seriously disrupts the whole way of life of a very special area. Why not use the Gridiron pattern, where there is no timing and riders find their way to various points in the Forest, causing very little disturbance? Great day out, healthy exercise, learning about the special qualities of the Forest. All ages enjoy it. Aggressive, adrenalin-fuelled sport needs to be conducted in areas like rugby pitches. How would you feel if it was your frail elderly mother just out of hospital trying to use a gap in the peloton to cross the road with her dog who was ridden at by a wall of aggressive racing cyclists taking up the whole road, shouting at her and swerving at the last moment between her and the dog? Yes, witnessed. I suppose it could be said to be OK if it is only themselves such riders put at risk, but I can't accept that they must be given the right to terrify others. I am not trying to ban it, but want safety for ALL, lower numbers that can be safely accommodated on the narrow lanes, adherence to the cycling code and mutual respect. Why is that too much to ask?
We must be talking about different events. From your earlier quote you say Wiggle disrupts 7 weekends, yet they are only using two weekends and one Sunday, that's five days in total this year.
You wonder why entrants don't report bad riders, because I didn't witness any (or any defecating).
You keep on about us racing, if we were racing why would we stop at the rest stops have a casual chat with others, discuss the next section compare bikes. Why would we stop at the top of steep climbs to cheer others on. Why would we stop to check with those stopped for mechanicals were alright. Because this is the truth about them. It is a challange about endurance, we get a cheep medal for completing the route and 24 to 48 hours later are told how long we took. Completing the challange is 1st. If we were racing we'd have CAT 4 licenses,
Our bikes are clearly numbered, so clearly that the photographers can segregate our photos by looking at our numbers. No number not an entrant.
We are not released 20 per minute, it is groups of less than 20 every five or so minutes.

I love the point that people make about us slowing them down, and then with the same breath complaining that we are recklessly racing, which is it too fast or too slow, please decide.

I live here, I was introduced to the forest as a babe in arms, and would not do anything to damage the structure of the forest. But I except that it is not mine (unlike the person with the placard that was thrust at me in Spring). It is not an extension of my back garden, but an area I must share, and I accept that but in return I must insist that other people share it back!
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: I used to be a cyclist, now have sporty grandchildren including a good rugby player, and have loved sport all my life - but not sport which seriously disrupts the whole way of life of a very special area. Why not use the Gridiron pattern, where there is no timing and riders find their way to various points in the Forest, causing very little disturbance? Great day out, healthy exercise, learning about the special qualities of the Forest. All ages enjoy it. Aggressive, adrenalin-fuelled sport needs to be conducted in areas like rugby pitches. How would you feel if it was your frail elderly mother just out of hospital trying to use a gap in the peloton to cross the road with her dog who was ridden at by a wall of aggressive racing cyclists taking up the whole road, shouting at her and swerving at the last moment between her and the dog? Yes, witnessed. I suppose it could be said to be OK if it is only themselves such riders put at risk, but I can't accept that they must be given the right to terrify others. I am not trying to ban it, but want safety for ALL, lower numbers that can be safely accommodated on the narrow lanes, adherence to the cycling code and mutual respect. Why is that too much to ask?[/p][/quote]We must be talking about different events. From your earlier quote you say Wiggle disrupts 7 weekends, yet they are only using two weekends and one Sunday, that's five days in total this year. You wonder why entrants don't report bad riders, because I didn't witness any (or any defecating). You keep on about us racing, if we were racing why would we stop at the rest stops have a casual chat with others, discuss the next section compare bikes. Why would we stop at the top of steep climbs to cheer others on. Why would we stop to check with those stopped for mechanicals were alright. Because this is the truth about them. It is a challange about endurance, we get a cheep medal for completing the route and 24 to 48 hours later are told how long we took. Completing the challange is 1st. If we were racing we'd have CAT 4 licenses, Our bikes are clearly numbered, so clearly that the photographers can segregate our photos by looking at our numbers. No number not an entrant. We are not released 20 per minute, it is groups of less than 20 every five or so minutes. I love the point that people make about us slowing them down, and then with the same breath complaining that we are recklessly racing, which is it too fast or too slow, please decide. I live here, I was introduced to the forest as a babe in arms, and would not do anything to damage the structure of the forest. But I except that it is not mine (unlike the person with the placard that was thrust at me in Spring). It is not an extension of my back garden, but an area I must share, and I accept that but in return I must insist that other people share it back! Drhysted
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11:55am Thu 13 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

You are obviously the sort of rider we very much welcome, and your last sentence illustrates the attitude we need if we are to make these events work. Mutual cooperation is essential. It is not the non-competitive riders who are the problem (except those who slowly ride 2 abreast chatting,. oblivious to a string of vehicles behind!) However, you are mistaken in a few points.
Wiggle use the Forest for 2 days in April, 2 days in October, 2 days in July, for most of a week May/June, 1 day in August, plus Triathlon, This list is probably not complete. Other cycling organisations also use the Forest, and some have been doing so for decades without problem, but when the events clash chaos results. In addition competitive riders visit the routes sometimes several times in advance to learn the route and work out the fastest lines to take round corners, etc.. So the unfortunate folk who live on the routes experience more or less continuous week-ends through Spring, Summer and Autumn of inconsiderate cyclists interested not in the special qualities of the Forest, but solely in increasing their speed. There is considerable evidence that these riders are defifnitely racing, and the use of the word "Sportive" and the staggered starts are a subterfuge to avoid racing regulations. The racing competitors are not just an insignificant minority, as is so often claimed, Wiggle publish coaching articles which recommend riding tactics to increase speed, and cycling comment forums confirm that for the majority of entrants the "whole Point" is the timing result at the finish. The Sportive Photo website shows many pictures of bunch riding, which apparently saves about 40% of effort for the riders, who take it in turns to do the hard work breaking the air pressure at the front.
Regarding start procedures, the maths disproves your statement. Even if only 2,500 riders take part (whereas the Wiggle website announced 2,800 advertised places"Sold out"), 20 at 5min intervals = 12x20 = 240/hour = over 10 hours! In reality only 2.5 hours are allowed to send everyone off, so this works out at approx 40 every 2 minutes.
The numbers are too great for the Forest roads. Also, as you rightly point out, not a few unregistered riders without identification are attracted by the event and considerably increase the registered entrant total.
Identification: the numbers are on the handlebars so that the PROFESSIONAL photographers can capture the pictures. These people can find vantage points where the riders can be seen from in front, whereas less skilful folk who can only watch from the side of the road get the briefest of glimpses. This makes it impossible to report dangerous/inconsider
ate behaviour, and even those riders clearly seen to be racing in the professional photos are not DQd or banned as promised in Wiggle's first item of Terms and Conditions, so they know they can race illegally with impunity. They would have to be more careful if they had numbers on their backs, where they could be seen from the side and behind as they speed past.
Riding in fast clumps is dangerous, riding in slow clumps is inconsiderate. Either way, it disrupts the work of the Forest. It may be a challenge of endurance for you and your companions, but for the semi-professionals it is a mere training ride. Slow riders hold them up and are grumbled about on chat sites! Can you really say you have never been overtaken by such riders swerving in and out of little gaps and forcing oncoming traffic to take evasive action?

Regarding your timing result, I am surprised you have to wait 2 or 3 days, as the website promises to display it electronically on arrival, and the appropriate recognition - gold, silver or bronze - is awarded.
Finally, you mention the structure of the Forest. As you must know, without the working commoners and the maintenance provided by their animals, the Forest would never have existed, and would soon cease to exist . This work is 24/7 and has its own rhythm to fit with the animals. Commoners need to milk them, move them from area to area, feed them, check them daily, etc., etc., and they know where to find their stock at certain times of day. Many sportive riders actually expect this work to be altered to avoid hindering their race. Do you agree? And do you support the abuse, both physical and verbal, which these folk so often suffer when they are perceived to be in the way?
You are obviously the sort of rider we very much welcome, and your last sentence illustrates the attitude we need if we are to make these events work. Mutual cooperation is essential. It is not the non-competitive riders who are the problem (except those who slowly ride 2 abreast chatting,. oblivious to a string of vehicles behind!) However, you are mistaken in a few points. Wiggle use the Forest for 2 days in April, 2 days in October, 2 days in July, for most of a week May/June, 1 day in August, plus Triathlon, This list is probably not complete. Other cycling organisations also use the Forest, and some have been doing so for decades without problem, but when the events clash chaos results. In addition competitive riders visit the routes sometimes several times in advance to learn the route and work out the fastest lines to take round corners, etc.. So the unfortunate folk who live on the routes experience more or less continuous week-ends through Spring, Summer and Autumn of inconsiderate cyclists interested not in the special qualities of the Forest, but solely in increasing their speed. There is considerable evidence that these riders are defifnitely racing, and the use of the word "Sportive" and the staggered starts are a subterfuge to avoid racing regulations. The racing competitors are not just an insignificant minority, as is so often claimed, Wiggle publish coaching articles which recommend riding tactics to increase speed, and cycling comment forums confirm that for the majority of entrants the "whole Point" is the timing result at the finish. The Sportive Photo website shows many pictures of bunch riding, which apparently saves about 40% of effort for the riders, who take it in turns to do the hard work breaking the air pressure at the front. Regarding start procedures, the maths disproves your statement. Even if only 2,500 riders take part (whereas the Wiggle website announced 2,800 advertised places"Sold out"), 20 at 5min intervals = 12x20 = 240/hour = over 10 hours! In reality only 2.5 hours are allowed to send everyone off, so this works out at approx 40 every 2 minutes. The numbers are too great for the Forest roads. Also, as you rightly point out, not a few unregistered riders without identification are attracted by the event and considerably increase the registered entrant total. Identification: the numbers are on the handlebars so that the PROFESSIONAL photographers can capture the pictures. These people can find vantage points where the riders can be seen from in front, whereas less skilful folk who can only watch from the side of the road get the briefest of glimpses. This makes it impossible to report dangerous/inconsider ate behaviour, and even those riders clearly seen to be racing in the professional photos are not DQd or banned as promised in Wiggle's first item of Terms and Conditions, so they know they can race illegally with impunity. They would have to be more careful if they had numbers on their backs, where they could be seen from the side and behind as they speed past. Riding in fast clumps is dangerous, riding in slow clumps is inconsiderate. Either way, it disrupts the work of the Forest. It may be a challenge of endurance for you and your companions, but for the semi-professionals it is a mere training ride. Slow riders hold them up and are grumbled about on chat sites! Can you really say you have never been overtaken by such riders swerving in and out of little gaps and forcing oncoming traffic to take evasive action? Regarding your timing result, I am surprised you have to wait 2 or 3 days, as the website promises to display it electronically on arrival, and the appropriate recognition - gold, silver or bronze - is awarded. Finally, you mention the structure of the Forest. As you must know, without the working commoners and the maintenance provided by their animals, the Forest would never have existed, and would soon cease to exist . This work is 24/7 and has its own rhythm to fit with the animals. Commoners need to milk them, move them from area to area, feed them, check them daily, etc., etc., and they know where to find their stock at certain times of day. Many sportive riders actually expect this work to be altered to avoid hindering their race. Do you agree? And do you support the abuse, both physical and verbal, which these folk so often suffer when they are perceived to be in the way? Reconciler
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12:03pm Thu 13 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Reconciler wrote:
You are obviously the sort of rider we very much welcome, and your last sentence illustrates the attitude we need if we are to make these events work. Mutual cooperation is essential. It is not the non-competitive riders who are the problem (except those who slowly ride 2 abreast chatting,. oblivious to a string of vehicles behind!) However, you are mistaken in a few points.
Wiggle use the Forest for 2 days in April, 2 days in October, 2 days in July, for most of a week May/June, 1 day in August, plus Triathlon, This list is probably not complete. Other cycling organisations also use the Forest, and some have been doing so for decades without problem, but when the events clash chaos results. In addition competitive riders visit the routes sometimes several times in advance to learn the route and work out the fastest lines to take round corners, etc.. So the unfortunate folk who live on the routes experience more or less continuous week-ends through Spring, Summer and Autumn of inconsiderate cyclists interested not in the special qualities of the Forest, but solely in increasing their speed. There is considerable evidence that these riders are defifnitely racing, and the use of the word "Sportive" and the staggered starts are a subterfuge to avoid racing regulations. The racing competitors are not just an insignificant minority, as is so often claimed, Wiggle publish coaching articles which recommend riding tactics to increase speed, and cycling comment forums confirm that for the majority of entrants the "whole Point" is the timing result at the finish. The Sportive Photo website shows many pictures of bunch riding, which apparently saves about 40% of effort for the riders, who take it in turns to do the hard work breaking the air pressure at the front.
Regarding start procedures, the maths disproves your statement. Even if only 2,500 riders take part (whereas the Wiggle website announced 2,800 advertised places"Sold out"), 20 at 5min intervals = 12x20 = 240/hour = over 10 hours! In reality only 2.5 hours are allowed to send everyone off, so this works out at approx 40 every 2 minutes.
The numbers are too great for the Forest roads. Also, as you rightly point out, not a few unregistered riders without identification are attracted by the event and considerably increase the registered entrant total.
Identification: the numbers are on the handlebars so that the PROFESSIONAL photographers can capture the pictures. These people can find vantage points where the riders can be seen from in front, whereas less skilful folk who can only watch from the side of the road get the briefest of glimpses. This makes it impossible to report dangerous/inconsider

ate behaviour, and even those riders clearly seen to be racing in the professional photos are not DQd or banned as promised in Wiggle's first item of Terms and Conditions, so they know they can race illegally with impunity. They would have to be more careful if they had numbers on their backs, where they could be seen from the side and behind as they speed past.
Riding in fast clumps is dangerous, riding in slow clumps is inconsiderate. Either way, it disrupts the work of the Forest. It may be a challenge of endurance for you and your companions, but for the semi-professionals it is a mere training ride. Slow riders hold them up and are grumbled about on chat sites! Can you really say you have never been overtaken by such riders swerving in and out of little gaps and forcing oncoming traffic to take evasive action?

Regarding your timing result, I am surprised you have to wait 2 or 3 days, as the website promises to display it electronically on arrival, and the appropriate recognition - gold, silver or bronze - is awarded.
Finally, you mention the structure of the Forest. As you must know, without the working commoners and the maintenance provided by their animals, the Forest would never have existed, and would soon cease to exist . This work is 24/7 and has its own rhythm to fit with the animals. Commoners need to milk them, move them from area to area, feed them, check them daily, etc., etc., and they know where to find their stock at certain times of day. Many sportive riders actually expect this work to be altered to avoid hindering their race. Do you agree? And do you support the abuse, both physical and verbal, which these folk so often suffer when they are perceived to be in the way?
if i read the post correctly the person you replied to was saying all cyclists are given a number next to their details so if anyone has any proof (photo's) of defecating or wrong doing then show the photo's with the persons number on it & the police can get the name & address of that person so why hasn't this happened?
Also this cyclist is from the forest & wants this event to take place & said it definitely wasn't a race & contradicts all the Anti Cycling posts
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: You are obviously the sort of rider we very much welcome, and your last sentence illustrates the attitude we need if we are to make these events work. Mutual cooperation is essential. It is not the non-competitive riders who are the problem (except those who slowly ride 2 abreast chatting,. oblivious to a string of vehicles behind!) However, you are mistaken in a few points. Wiggle use the Forest for 2 days in April, 2 days in October, 2 days in July, for most of a week May/June, 1 day in August, plus Triathlon, This list is probably not complete. Other cycling organisations also use the Forest, and some have been doing so for decades without problem, but when the events clash chaos results. In addition competitive riders visit the routes sometimes several times in advance to learn the route and work out the fastest lines to take round corners, etc.. So the unfortunate folk who live on the routes experience more or less continuous week-ends through Spring, Summer and Autumn of inconsiderate cyclists interested not in the special qualities of the Forest, but solely in increasing their speed. There is considerable evidence that these riders are defifnitely racing, and the use of the word "Sportive" and the staggered starts are a subterfuge to avoid racing regulations. The racing competitors are not just an insignificant minority, as is so often claimed, Wiggle publish coaching articles which recommend riding tactics to increase speed, and cycling comment forums confirm that for the majority of entrants the "whole Point" is the timing result at the finish. The Sportive Photo website shows many pictures of bunch riding, which apparently saves about 40% of effort for the riders, who take it in turns to do the hard work breaking the air pressure at the front. Regarding start procedures, the maths disproves your statement. Even if only 2,500 riders take part (whereas the Wiggle website announced 2,800 advertised places"Sold out"), 20 at 5min intervals = 12x20 = 240/hour = over 10 hours! In reality only 2.5 hours are allowed to send everyone off, so this works out at approx 40 every 2 minutes. The numbers are too great for the Forest roads. Also, as you rightly point out, not a few unregistered riders without identification are attracted by the event and considerably increase the registered entrant total. Identification: the numbers are on the handlebars so that the PROFESSIONAL photographers can capture the pictures. These people can find vantage points where the riders can be seen from in front, whereas less skilful folk who can only watch from the side of the road get the briefest of glimpses. This makes it impossible to report dangerous/inconsider ate behaviour, and even those riders clearly seen to be racing in the professional photos are not DQd or banned as promised in Wiggle's first item of Terms and Conditions, so they know they can race illegally with impunity. They would have to be more careful if they had numbers on their backs, where they could be seen from the side and behind as they speed past. Riding in fast clumps is dangerous, riding in slow clumps is inconsiderate. Either way, it disrupts the work of the Forest. It may be a challenge of endurance for you and your companions, but for the semi-professionals it is a mere training ride. Slow riders hold them up and are grumbled about on chat sites! Can you really say you have never been overtaken by such riders swerving in and out of little gaps and forcing oncoming traffic to take evasive action? Regarding your timing result, I am surprised you have to wait 2 or 3 days, as the website promises to display it electronically on arrival, and the appropriate recognition - gold, silver or bronze - is awarded. Finally, you mention the structure of the Forest. As you must know, without the working commoners and the maintenance provided by their animals, the Forest would never have existed, and would soon cease to exist . This work is 24/7 and has its own rhythm to fit with the animals. Commoners need to milk them, move them from area to area, feed them, check them daily, etc., etc., and they know where to find their stock at certain times of day. Many sportive riders actually expect this work to be altered to avoid hindering their race. Do you agree? And do you support the abuse, both physical and verbal, which these folk so often suffer when they are perceived to be in the way?[/p][/quote]if i read the post correctly the person you replied to was saying all cyclists are given a number next to their details so if anyone has any proof (photo's) of defecating or wrong doing then show the photo's with the persons number on it & the police can get the name & address of that person so why hasn't this happened? Also this cyclist is from the forest & wants this event to take place & said it definitely wasn't a race & contradicts all the Anti Cycling posts loosehead
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12:24pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

A lot of us residents want the event to take place - but with moderation to make it possible for the others activities of the Forest to continue also to take place. As the previous post said, we need to SHARE. Unfortunately the events as at present organised take over the whole road for hours at a time, with abuse of anyone else who is trying to SHARE. I have explained many times that the present numbers are illegible, - put big numbers on riders' backs! The proof of racing on the professional photo site is ignored by Wiggle. And do you imagine that cyclists relieving themselves do so sitting on their bikes?.
A lot of us residents want the event to take place - but with moderation to make it possible for the others activities of the Forest to continue also to take place. As the previous post said, we need to SHARE. Unfortunately the events as at present organised take over the whole road for hours at a time, with abuse of anyone else who is trying to SHARE. I have explained many times that the present numbers are illegible, - put big numbers on riders' backs! The proof of racing on the professional photo site is ignored by Wiggle. And do you imagine that cyclists relieving themselves do so sitting on their bikes?. Reconciler
  • Score: 1

7:22pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

Last year UKCycling Events banned 5 people who were found in breach of terms and conditions.
UKcycling Events are from Fordingbridge, they are local.
Yes I get overtaken, I also overtake people as well. I've even found myself the fourth person because I'm overtaking others (pictures do not show the true event).
NO I have not experianced racing.
This years events will only be over 5 days.
NO I have not experianced cyclists breaching the highway code (seen plenty of car drivers doing it).
NO I have not seen oncoming traffic forced to swerve, I have had to put my bike (and me) into a ditch to miss a tractor on my side of the road.
The identification is large enough for people with normal eyesight to read, it is not pinned to the back of riders because we are leisure riders not Cat 4 holders, and the pins damage the jerseys which are expensive.

You really have a choice here have well organised events which have to get clearance with ALL the relevent organisations. Or me or anyone else could start organising social events via social media, which will not be held to any regulations except the Highway Code.

Basically I'm saying learn to share, like I have done with all the other factions. This is not your forest it's for everyone!
Last year UKCycling Events banned 5 people who were found in breach of terms and conditions. UKcycling Events are from Fordingbridge, they are local. Yes I get overtaken, I also overtake people as well. I've even found myself the fourth person because I'm overtaking others (pictures do not show the true event). NO I have not experianced racing. This years events will only be over 5 days. NO I have not experianced cyclists breaching the highway code (seen plenty of car drivers doing it). NO I have not seen oncoming traffic forced to swerve, I have had to put my bike (and me) into a ditch to miss a tractor on my side of the road. The identification is large enough for people with normal eyesight to read, it is not pinned to the back of riders because we are leisure riders not Cat 4 holders, and the pins damage the jerseys which are expensive. You really have a choice here have well organised events which have to get clearance with ALL the relevent organisations. Or me or anyone else could start organising social events via social media, which will not be held to any regulations except the Highway Code. Basically I'm saying learn to share, like I have done with all the other factions. This is not your forest it's for everyone! Drhysted
  • Score: 0

8:18pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

Martin Barden lives in Fordingbridge, I am told, but UK Cycling Events organises Wiggle events all over this country and abroad. This is really big business and very profitable, not just a local firm. Look up the list of their events in the Forest - a lot more than 5 days. Have a look through the Sportive Photo website and you will see hundreds of pictures of riders taking up the whole road - obviously not just overtaking. (The lists of events also give you some idea of the scale of this business.) Try rider 3315 on 6th October: (he was the "winner" in the race between teams of Posties and Plods) and the last picture on page 2 is particularly illustrative of the sort of behaviour commoners are finding disruptive. Hundreds of photos showing racing formations and flouting of Highway Code and Wiggle's own rules, and yet only 5 riders were DQd! If Wiggle/UK Cycling Events really wanted their riders identifiable they would supply the little elastic waist clip which holds numbers neatly on the back without any damage to expensive lycra. I have good eyesight and failed to get the numbers of several dangerous riders when watching last year's races. They whip past far too quickly, so close to cars that they are mostly hidden. You may consider these races well organised, but some cycling chat sites do not agree. They do not need authorisation, as they claim the events are not races. Who are "all the relevant organisations" you refer to? After the cancellation of a drift last year Wiggle advertised their event again at the same date - the verderers are now expected to fit in around them. Which is more important to the National Park? The bullying big business or the humble workers who toil to maintain it for virtually no profit? The workers are willing to share the roads, but racing cyclists seem to feel they have the right to take them over entirely. Courtesy and consideration are needed on both sides for successful sharing.
Martin Barden lives in Fordingbridge, I am told, but UK Cycling Events organises Wiggle events all over this country and abroad. This is really big business and very profitable, not just a local firm. Look up the list of their events in the Forest - a lot more than 5 days. Have a look through the Sportive Photo website and you will see hundreds of pictures of riders taking up the whole road - obviously not just overtaking. (The lists of events also give you some idea of the scale of this business.) Try rider 3315 on 6th October: (he was the "winner" in the race between teams of Posties and Plods) and the last picture on page 2 is particularly illustrative of the sort of behaviour commoners are finding disruptive. Hundreds of photos showing racing formations and flouting of Highway Code and Wiggle's own rules, and yet only 5 riders were DQd! If Wiggle/UK Cycling Events really wanted their riders identifiable they would supply the little elastic waist clip which holds numbers neatly on the back without any damage to expensive lycra. I have good eyesight and failed to get the numbers of several dangerous riders when watching last year's races. They whip past far too quickly, so close to cars that they are mostly hidden. You may consider these races well organised, but some cycling chat sites do not agree. They do not need authorisation, as they claim the events are not races. Who are "all the relevant organisations" you refer to? After the cancellation of a drift last year Wiggle advertised their event again at the same date - the verderers are now expected to fit in around them. Which is more important to the National Park? The bullying big business or the humble workers who toil to maintain it for virtually no profit? The workers are willing to share the roads, but racing cyclists seem to feel they have the right to take them over entirely. Courtesy and consideration are needed on both sides for successful sharing. Reconciler
  • Score: 0

9:04pm Thu 13 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Reconciler wrote:
Martin Barden lives in Fordingbridge, I am told, but UK Cycling Events organises Wiggle events all over this country and abroad. This is really big business and very profitable, not just a local firm. Look up the list of their events in the Forest - a lot more than 5 days. Have a look through the Sportive Photo website and you will see hundreds of pictures of riders taking up the whole road - obviously not just overtaking. (The lists of events also give you some idea of the scale of this business.) Try rider 3315 on 6th October: (he was the "winner" in the race between teams of Posties and Plods) and the last picture on page 2 is particularly illustrative of the sort of behaviour commoners are finding disruptive. Hundreds of photos showing racing formations and flouting of Highway Code and Wiggle's own rules, and yet only 5 riders were DQd! If Wiggle/UK Cycling Events really wanted their riders identifiable they would supply the little elastic waist clip which holds numbers neatly on the back without any damage to expensive lycra. I have good eyesight and failed to get the numbers of several dangerous riders when watching last year's races. They whip past far too quickly, so close to cars that they are mostly hidden. You may consider these races well organised, but some cycling chat sites do not agree. They do not need authorisation, as they claim the events are not races. Who are "all the relevant organisations" you refer to? After the cancellation of a drift last year Wiggle advertised their event again at the same date - the verderers are now expected to fit in around them. Which is more important to the National Park? The bullying big business or the humble workers who toil to maintain it for virtually no profit? The workers are willing to share the roads, but racing cyclists seem to feel they have the right to take them over entirely. Courtesy and consideration are needed on both sides for successful sharing.
So even with a local giving you the truth you can't accept it?
I'm moving out of this area so I wish all you NIMBY's a boring life
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: Martin Barden lives in Fordingbridge, I am told, but UK Cycling Events organises Wiggle events all over this country and abroad. This is really big business and very profitable, not just a local firm. Look up the list of their events in the Forest - a lot more than 5 days. Have a look through the Sportive Photo website and you will see hundreds of pictures of riders taking up the whole road - obviously not just overtaking. (The lists of events also give you some idea of the scale of this business.) Try rider 3315 on 6th October: (he was the "winner" in the race between teams of Posties and Plods) and the last picture on page 2 is particularly illustrative of the sort of behaviour commoners are finding disruptive. Hundreds of photos showing racing formations and flouting of Highway Code and Wiggle's own rules, and yet only 5 riders were DQd! If Wiggle/UK Cycling Events really wanted their riders identifiable they would supply the little elastic waist clip which holds numbers neatly on the back without any damage to expensive lycra. I have good eyesight and failed to get the numbers of several dangerous riders when watching last year's races. They whip past far too quickly, so close to cars that they are mostly hidden. You may consider these races well organised, but some cycling chat sites do not agree. They do not need authorisation, as they claim the events are not races. Who are "all the relevant organisations" you refer to? After the cancellation of a drift last year Wiggle advertised their event again at the same date - the verderers are now expected to fit in around them. Which is more important to the National Park? The bullying big business or the humble workers who toil to maintain it for virtually no profit? The workers are willing to share the roads, but racing cyclists seem to feel they have the right to take them over entirely. Courtesy and consideration are needed on both sides for successful sharing.[/p][/quote]So even with a local giving you the truth you can't accept it? I'm moving out of this area so I wish all you NIMBY's a boring life loosehead
  • Score: -1

10:27pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

I am also "a local". What makes you think the facts I present are lies? Check them for yourself.
I am also "a local". What makes you think the facts I present are lies? Check them for yourself. Reconciler
  • Score: 0

12:08am Fri 14 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

Reconciler wrote:
I am also "a local". What makes you think the facts I present are lies? Check them for yourself.
I give up. You obviously have been taking part in a different event from me.

Cyclists are aloud to use the whole lane, yes the whole lane, we can even move into the other carriageway when overtaking, just like a car can.

To date I have had horse riders canter at me when walking along forest tracks, I've had pony traps force my car into a side road, I've had a tractor put me in a ditch. I've had a cyclist, oh wait ALL (yes ALL) cyclists I've meet on the Forest have been reasonable.

So to repeat what I keep typing but don't see I SHARE THE FOREST, NOW IT'S TIME FOR YOU LOT TO SHARE IT BACK!!!
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: I am also "a local". What makes you think the facts I present are lies? Check them for yourself.[/p][/quote]I give up. You obviously have been taking part in a different event from me. Cyclists are aloud to use the whole lane, yes the whole lane, we can even move into the other carriageway when overtaking, just like a car can. To date I have had horse riders canter at me when walking along forest tracks, I've had pony traps force my car into a side road, I've had a tractor put me in a ditch. I've had a cyclist, oh wait ALL (yes ALL) cyclists I've meet on the Forest have been reasonable. So to repeat what I keep typing but don't see I SHARE THE FOREST, NOW IT'S TIME FOR YOU LOT TO SHARE IT BACK!!! Drhysted
  • Score: -1

2:45am Fri 14 Feb 14

Maclad74 says...

I entered the Wiggle event last year as I was fairly new Hampshire and wanted to learn more about the beauty of the New Forest. Despite poor weather I fell in love with the place and have returned several times in my camper van with my wife.

I can understand the frustration of locals up to a point but I can also see the benefits to local businesses. Surely there is a place for everyone in this magical playground?
I entered the Wiggle event last year as I was fairly new Hampshire and wanted to learn more about the beauty of the New Forest. Despite poor weather I fell in love with the place and have returned several times in my camper van with my wife. I can understand the frustration of locals up to a point but I can also see the benefits to local businesses. Surely there is a place for everyone in this magical playground? Maclad74
  • Score: -1

6:37am Fri 14 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Maclad74 wrote:
I entered the Wiggle event last year as I was fairly new Hampshire and wanted to learn more about the beauty of the New Forest. Despite poor weather I fell in love with the place and have returned several times in my camper van with my wife.

I can understand the frustration of locals up to a point but I can also see the benefits to local businesses. Surely there is a place for everyone in this magical playground?
the New Forest was created by a King for him to hunt in & all the villages were cleared so it was a big playground for kings as hunting was a sport for them it in fact was a great big SPORTS GROUND.
yet over the centuries people have been allowed to settle in it but still it's primary reason for existence was for sport for the Aristocracy well that type of hunting no longer happens but other types of sport have stepped in to fill the void & cycling is one of them but it's the usual thing.
OH! look this weekend I'll have to take a different route as that **** cycle events taking place why should I be inconvenienced? I live here & I don't want to go a couple of minutes out of my way why should I ban it seems to be a few of the NIMBY's reactions.
They have said cyclists have been seen defecating in the New Forest ?
go down in the tourists season & say this doesn't happen as they know full well it does.
It seems to be these individuals want to keep the Forest & it's roads all to themselves
[quote][p][bold]Maclad74[/bold] wrote: I entered the Wiggle event last year as I was fairly new Hampshire and wanted to learn more about the beauty of the New Forest. Despite poor weather I fell in love with the place and have returned several times in my camper van with my wife. I can understand the frustration of locals up to a point but I can also see the benefits to local businesses. Surely there is a place for everyone in this magical playground?[/p][/quote]the New Forest was created by a King for him to hunt in & all the villages were cleared so it was a big playground for kings as hunting was a sport for them it in fact was a great big SPORTS GROUND. yet over the centuries people have been allowed to settle in it but still it's primary reason for existence was for sport for the Aristocracy well that type of hunting no longer happens but other types of sport have stepped in to fill the void & cycling is one of them but it's the usual thing. OH! look this weekend I'll have to take a different route as that **** cycle events taking place why should I be inconvenienced? I live here & I don't want to go a couple of minutes out of my way why should I ban it seems to be a few of the NIMBY's reactions. They have said cyclists have been seen defecating in the New Forest ? go down in the tourists season & say this doesn't happen as they know full well it does. It seems to be these individuals want to keep the Forest & it's roads all to themselves loosehead
  • Score: -1

11:13am Fri 14 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

Drhysted, please show me where the law says that cyclists may use the whole road, even when not overtaking. This is law in some USA states for narrow roads without lane markings, I understand, but I can find nothing which says that it is in force here. ALL users are supposed to keep to their own half of the road, unless briefly overtaking when the oncoming lane is clear. Those taking part in the event see much less of the problems than others trying to use the road. I've been observing for years - not taking part - so perhaps I know a little bit more about it than you?

Loosehead: As I have already explained, when this area was designated by William I as his hunting ground he recognised that it needed maintenance, so commoners were given rights and duties. They were NOT cleared from the land, and their work over the centuries created and now maintains it. Certain little lanes have to be used every day at certain times by these non-wealthy hard working people so despised by racing cyclists who must be pretty wealthy to afford their highly-expensive gear. Animals can't understand that cyclists want to take over their patch for a few hours, so it is impossible for commoners to go a couple of minutes out of their way to clear the road for mass events. Do you want the Forest landscape maintained? If so, fit your events round the maintenance work. It can't be the other way round.

If tourists did foul the Forest, how would this make it OK for mass event cyclists to do so, especially one after another, concentrated in certain places? This argument is similar to saying that car drivers behave badly, therefore cyclists' bad behaviour doesn't matter.

Maclad74: Great big business benefits enormously, at the expense of the poor commoners, small traders and B&Bs, etc., who complain about losing business - especially over the normally lucrative week end before Easter. Welcome to the Forest! Considerate folk are very much appreciated and it's good to hear of people from elsewhere learning to love and understand it. If only the racing riders could do that, rather than claiming that they have the right to take it over en masse whenever they wish. Try the library at Lyndhurst - full of fascinating facts about the development and maintenance of the area. Enjoy!
Drhysted, please show me where the law says that cyclists may use the whole road, even when not overtaking. This is law in some USA states for narrow roads without lane markings, I understand, but I can find nothing which says that it is in force here. ALL users are supposed to keep to their own half of the road, unless briefly overtaking when the oncoming lane is clear. Those taking part in the event see much less of the problems than others trying to use the road. I've been observing for years - not taking part - so perhaps I know a little bit more about it than you? Loosehead: As I have already explained, when this area was designated by William I as his hunting ground he recognised that it needed maintenance, so commoners were given rights and duties. They were NOT cleared from the land, and their work over the centuries created and now maintains it. Certain little lanes have to be used every day at certain times by these non-wealthy hard working people so despised by racing cyclists who must be pretty wealthy to afford their highly-expensive gear. Animals can't understand that cyclists want to take over their patch for a few hours, so it is impossible for commoners to go a couple of minutes out of their way to clear the road for mass events. Do you want the Forest landscape maintained? If so, fit your events round the maintenance work. It can't be the other way round. If tourists did foul the Forest, how would this make it OK for mass event cyclists to do so, especially one after another, concentrated in certain places? This argument is similar to saying that car drivers behave badly, therefore cyclists' bad behaviour doesn't matter. Maclad74: Great big business benefits enormously, at the expense of the poor commoners, small traders and B&Bs, etc., who complain about losing business - especially over the normally lucrative week end before Easter. Welcome to the Forest! Considerate folk are very much appreciated and it's good to hear of people from elsewhere learning to love and understand it. If only the racing riders could do that, rather than claiming that they have the right to take it over en masse whenever they wish. Try the library at Lyndhurst - full of fascinating facts about the development and maintenance of the area. Enjoy! Reconciler
  • Score: 1

3:54pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

So your idea of sharing is to do what you say and ignore the rest thanks.

Now I must admit that the Highway Code is not law as has just been proven in court, but the only times you are not aloud to cross the centre line is when it is a solid white line, even then there are exceptions. The NFA code of conduct clearly advises riders to keep away from the edge of the road.

The defecating has always brought more questions to me, the main one was where did the cyclists get the toilet roll that was found there from. I am yet to find a cyclist that carries it.

You lot tried this with the dog walkers and ran away hiding after one meeting in Lyndhurst. DO NOT try the cyclists hands. This is not your forest it is for eveyone to share. Now it's about bloody time you learn how to share!
So your idea of sharing is to do what you say and ignore the rest thanks. Now I must admit that the Highway Code is not law as has just been proven in court, but the only times you are not aloud to cross the centre line is when it is a solid white line, even then there are exceptions. The NFA code of conduct clearly advises riders to keep away from the edge of the road. The defecating has always brought more questions to me, the main one was where did the cyclists get the toilet roll that was found there from. I am yet to find a cyclist that carries it. You lot tried this with the dog walkers and ran away hiding after one meeting in Lyndhurst. DO NOT try the cyclists hands. This is not your forest it is for eveyone to share. Now it's about bloody time you learn how to share! Drhysted
  • Score: -1

4:59pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

We want to share. Unfortunately the racing cyclists en masse don't - they just take over the whole road and abuse and curse anyone trying to get on with the daily routine of caring for the animals which maintain the landscape.
Oncoming traffic is just as much entitled to use the road as those cyclists who don't acknowledge anyone's rights except their own. Even the Wiggle code requires cyclists to ride single file on narrow roads and never more than 2 abreast. If you enter an event, obey its rules! Then we could all get along well with each other - both aloud and silently.

The paper the litter warden had to remove was tissue paper, and a few sheets fit into lycra pockets with no trouble at all, alongside the energy gel sachets. What do you use on a cold day when the wind makes your eyes and nose run?

Considerate riders are very welcome indeed.
We want to share. Unfortunately the racing cyclists en masse don't - they just take over the whole road and abuse and curse anyone trying to get on with the daily routine of caring for the animals which maintain the landscape. Oncoming traffic is just as much entitled to use the road as those cyclists who don't acknowledge anyone's rights except their own. Even the Wiggle code requires cyclists to ride single file on narrow roads and never more than 2 abreast. If you enter an event, obey its rules! Then we could all get along well with each other - both aloud and silently. The paper the litter warden had to remove was tissue paper, and a few sheets fit into lycra pockets with no trouble at all, alongside the energy gel sachets. What do you use on a cold day when the wind makes your eyes and nose run? Considerate riders are very welcome indeed. Reconciler
  • Score: 1

6:03pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

No you want to continue with the we have "right", attitude that has ruled the forest for years.
The horse riders that run you off the path that you are walking on, the traps that close down the road system for the Danny Cooper run, the commoner doing three high speed laps of the lawn by Beaulieu Road Station before getting out and setting up a picknic. Lets not forget the Drift, which I had the misfortune to get caught in one year, and the riders herded the ponies straight at me and my dogs, all I could do was use the dogs as a shield as the ponies ran straight at me. The reponse was it was the commoners right to do it!!
The CDA and NFPS using the land for profit. No this is how non-cyclists are prepared to share.
UK Cycling Events are going to cause minor distruption for 5 days, really that's not really shareing, 98.3% for non-events 1.7% for the events!
Spring Sportive 12&13th April
Wight Ferry Sportive 5&6th July (Only 31 miles in the Forest so doesn't really count)
New Forest 100 11&12th October

On cold days I use the same as normal, the built in pad on my gloves, you really don't understand cycling do you?
No you want to continue with the we have "right", attitude that has ruled the forest for years. The horse riders that run you off the path that you are walking on, the traps that close down the road system for the Danny Cooper run, the commoner doing three high speed laps of the lawn by Beaulieu Road Station before getting out and setting up a picknic. Lets not forget the Drift, which I had the misfortune to get caught in one year, and the riders herded the ponies straight at me and my dogs, all I could do was use the dogs as a shield as the ponies ran straight at me. The reponse was it was the commoners right to do it!! The CDA and NFPS using the land for profit. No this is how non-cyclists are prepared to share. UK Cycling Events are going to cause minor distruption for 5 days, really that's not really shareing, 98.3% for non-events 1.7% for the events! Spring Sportive 12&13th April Wight Ferry Sportive 5&6th July (Only 31 miles in the Forest so doesn't really count) New Forest 100 11&12th October On cold days I use the same as normal, the built in pad on my gloves, you really don't understand cycling do you? Drhysted
  • Score: -2

7:58pm Fri 14 Feb 14

geoff51 says...

Drhysted wrote:
No you want to continue with the we have "right", attitude that has ruled the forest for years.
The horse riders that run you off the path that you are walking on, the traps that close down the road system for the Danny Cooper run, the commoner doing three high speed laps of the lawn by Beaulieu Road Station before getting out and setting up a picknic. Lets not forget the Drift, which I had the misfortune to get caught in one year, and the riders herded the ponies straight at me and my dogs, all I could do was use the dogs as a shield as the ponies ran straight at me. The reponse was it was the commoners right to do it!!
The CDA and NFPS using the land for profit. No this is how non-cyclists are prepared to share.
UK Cycling Events are going to cause minor distruption for 5 days, really that's not really shareing, 98.3% for non-events 1.7% for the events!
Spring Sportive 12&13th April
Wight Ferry Sportive 5&6th July (Only 31 miles in the Forest so doesn't really count)
New Forest 100 11&12th October

On cold days I use the same as normal, the built in pad on my gloves, you really don't understand cycling do you?
Your arrogance knows no bounds, this is the forest not a cycle race track, if you cant fit in with the forest working then go elsewhere!
[quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: No you want to continue with the we have "right", attitude that has ruled the forest for years. The horse riders that run you off the path that you are walking on, the traps that close down the road system for the Danny Cooper run, the commoner doing three high speed laps of the lawn by Beaulieu Road Station before getting out and setting up a picknic. Lets not forget the Drift, which I had the misfortune to get caught in one year, and the riders herded the ponies straight at me and my dogs, all I could do was use the dogs as a shield as the ponies ran straight at me. The reponse was it was the commoners right to do it!! The CDA and NFPS using the land for profit. No this is how non-cyclists are prepared to share. UK Cycling Events are going to cause minor distruption for 5 days, really that's not really shareing, 98.3% for non-events 1.7% for the events! Spring Sportive 12&13th April Wight Ferry Sportive 5&6th July (Only 31 miles in the Forest so doesn't really count) New Forest 100 11&12th October On cold days I use the same as normal, the built in pad on my gloves, you really don't understand cycling do you?[/p][/quote]Your arrogance knows no bounds, this is the forest not a cycle race track, if you cant fit in with the forest working then go elsewhere! geoff51
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8:47pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

geoff51 wrote:
Drhysted wrote:
No you want to continue with the we have "right", attitude that has ruled the forest for years.
The horse riders that run you off the path that you are walking on, the traps that close down the road system for the Danny Cooper run, the commoner doing three high speed laps of the lawn by Beaulieu Road Station before getting out and setting up a picknic. Lets not forget the Drift, which I had the misfortune to get caught in one year, and the riders herded the ponies straight at me and my dogs, all I could do was use the dogs as a shield as the ponies ran straight at me. The reponse was it was the commoners right to do it!!
The CDA and NFPS using the land for profit. No this is how non-cyclists are prepared to share.
UK Cycling Events are going to cause minor distruption for 5 days, really that's not really shareing, 98.3% for non-events 1.7% for the events!
Spring Sportive 12&13th April
Wight Ferry Sportive 5&6th July (Only 31 miles in the Forest so doesn't really count)
New Forest 100 11&12th October

On cold days I use the same as normal, the built in pad on my gloves, you really don't understand cycling do you?
Your arrogance knows no bounds, this is the forest not a cycle race track, if you cant fit in with the forest working then go elsewhere!
As does your lack of ability to read.
Please point out where I said that I race, I can distinctly remember saying that I don't hold a CAT4 license.

I do hope when I hit 51 I have not lost my faculties as much as you show.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: No you want to continue with the we have "right", attitude that has ruled the forest for years. The horse riders that run you off the path that you are walking on, the traps that close down the road system for the Danny Cooper run, the commoner doing three high speed laps of the lawn by Beaulieu Road Station before getting out and setting up a picknic. Lets not forget the Drift, which I had the misfortune to get caught in one year, and the riders herded the ponies straight at me and my dogs, all I could do was use the dogs as a shield as the ponies ran straight at me. The reponse was it was the commoners right to do it!! The CDA and NFPS using the land for profit. No this is how non-cyclists are prepared to share. UK Cycling Events are going to cause minor distruption for 5 days, really that's not really shareing, 98.3% for non-events 1.7% for the events! Spring Sportive 12&13th April Wight Ferry Sportive 5&6th July (Only 31 miles in the Forest so doesn't really count) New Forest 100 11&12th October On cold days I use the same as normal, the built in pad on my gloves, you really don't understand cycling do you?[/p][/quote]Your arrogance knows no bounds, this is the forest not a cycle race track, if you cant fit in with the forest working then go elsewhere![/p][/quote]As does your lack of ability to read. Please point out where I said that I race, I can distinctly remember saying that I don't hold a CAT4 license. I do hope when I hit 51 I have not lost my faculties as much as you show. Drhysted
  • Score: -2

8:57pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

For the record Geoff my tolerance of others is known (by those that actually know me) to be great. I put up with a lot of trouble before I react (it's a family trait).

However I am also well known to never back down when I am right.
For the record Geoff my tolerance of others is known (by those that actually know me) to be great. I put up with a lot of trouble before I react (it's a family trait). However I am also well known to never back down when I am right. Drhysted
  • Score: -1

9:16pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

Beautifully summed up, Geoff!

Once again, for the record, drhysted, we are not against cycling or cyclists, and welcome those who are out to enjoy a ride to appreciate the landscape and cultural heritage of the area. However, the working life of the Forest can't cope with 3,000 at a time, most of whom openly admit that they are racing and freely brag about it. To quote one writer on a cycling chat site when asked for the definition of a sportive: " A sportive is a non competitive competition between non racing cyclists racing each other."
Beautifully summed up, Geoff! Once again, for the record, drhysted, we are not against cycling or cyclists, and welcome those who are out to enjoy a ride to appreciate the landscape and cultural heritage of the area. However, the working life of the Forest can't cope with 3,000 at a time, most of whom openly admit that they are racing and freely brag about it. To quote one writer on a cycling chat site when asked for the definition of a sportive: " A sportive is a non competitive competition between non racing cyclists racing each other." Reconciler
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9:27pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

In 2013 in a discussion of sportives on a cycling chat site, one DRHysted wrote the following. Would this be you, by any chance?

DRHysted said: ↑
Yes they do seem to be taking off quite well, and the demand is outstripping supply. But please don't call them a race, how can we get the general public to accept them as a "run ride" (same concept as the fun runs I used to take part in), if we (the people who should know) refer to them as races.
I know nobody who does sportives who does not tacitly accept that they are races. They are races.

That is why people call them races.

One day the bubble will burst and supply will again outstrip demand, but for now there is a market for these races and nature (and commerce) abhor a vacuum.

Need I say more?
In 2013 in a discussion of sportives on a cycling chat site, one DRHysted wrote the following. Would this be you, by any chance? DRHysted said: ↑ Yes they do seem to be taking off quite well, and the demand is outstripping supply. But please don't call them a race, how can we get the general public to accept them as a "run ride" (same concept as the fun runs I used to take part in), if we (the people who should know) refer to them as races. I know nobody who does sportives who does not tacitly accept that they are races. They are races. That is why people call them races. One day the bubble will burst and supply will again outstrip demand, but for now there is a market for these races and nature (and commerce) abhor a vacuum. Need I say more? Reconciler
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9:40pm Fri 14 Feb 14

good-gosh says...

Ride about individually like everyone else, and don’t cause a fuss, there's good people.
Ride about individually like everyone else, and don’t cause a fuss, there's good people. good-gosh
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9:48pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

Drhysted wrote:
For the record Geoff my tolerance of others is known (by those that actually know me) to be great. I put up with a lot of trouble before I react (it's a family trait).

However I am also well known to never back down when I am right.
Or it seems when you are wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: For the record Geoff my tolerance of others is known (by those that actually know me) to be great. I put up with a lot of trouble before I react (it's a family trait). However I am also well known to never back down when I am right.[/p][/quote]Or it seems when you are wrong. Inform Al
  • Score: 1

10:05pm Fri 14 Feb 14

geoff51 says...

Drhysted wrote:
For the record Geoff my tolerance of others is known (by those that actually know me) to be great. I put up with a lot of trouble before I react (it's a family trait).

However I am also well known to never back down when I am right.
Don't Threaten me A$$ole, Violence is the last bastion of the brain dead who have run out of words.
[quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: For the record Geoff my tolerance of others is known (by those that actually know me) to be great. I put up with a lot of trouble before I react (it's a family trait). However I am also well known to never back down when I am right.[/p][/quote]Don't Threaten me A$$ole, Violence is the last bastion of the brain dead who have run out of words. geoff51
  • Score: 0

10:29pm Fri 14 Feb 14

loosehead says...

You bunch of T++sers NIMBY 's
You bunch of T++sers NIMBY 's loosehead
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10:29pm Fri 14 Feb 14

loosehead says...

You bunch of T++sers NIMBY 's
You bunch of T++sers NIMBY 's loosehead
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11:58pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

Reconciler wrote:
In 2013 in a discussion of sportives on a cycling chat site, one DRHysted wrote the following. Would this be you, by any chance?

DRHysted said: ↑
Yes they do seem to be taking off quite well, and the demand is outstripping supply. But please don't call them a race, how can we get the general public to accept them as a "run ride" (same concept as the fun runs I used to take part in), if we (the people who should know) refer to them as races.
I know nobody who does sportives who does not tacitly accept that they are races. They are races.

That is why people call them races.

One day the bubble will burst and supply will again outstrip demand, but for now there is a market for these races and nature (and commerce) abhor a vacuum.

Need I say more?
You seem to have added to my quote, this is what I typed

"Yes they do seem to be taking off quite well, and the demand is outstripping supply. But please don't call them a race, how can we get the general public to accept them as a "run ride" (same concept as the fun runs I used to take part in), if we (the people who should know) refer to them as races."

I'm not sure where the rest came from, because as I have said time and time again they are not a race. If I was racing I would hold a CAT 4 license.

I do keep typing in the vain hope you will read!
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: In 2013 in a discussion of sportives on a cycling chat site, one DRHysted wrote the following. Would this be you, by any chance? DRHysted said: ↑ Yes they do seem to be taking off quite well, and the demand is outstripping supply. But please don't call them a race, how can we get the general public to accept them as a "run ride" (same concept as the fun runs I used to take part in), if we (the people who should know) refer to them as races. I know nobody who does sportives who does not tacitly accept that they are races. They are races. That is why people call them races. One day the bubble will burst and supply will again outstrip demand, but for now there is a market for these races and nature (and commerce) abhor a vacuum. Need I say more?[/p][/quote]You seem to have added to my quote, this is what I typed "Yes they do seem to be taking off quite well, and the demand is outstripping supply. But please don't call them a race, how can we get the general public to accept them as a "run ride" (same concept as the fun runs I used to take part in), if we (the people who should know) refer to them as races." I'm not sure where the rest came from, because as I have said time and time again they are not a race. If I was racing I would hold a CAT 4 license. I do keep typing in the vain hope you will read! Drhysted
  • Score: 0

12:02am Sat 15 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

geoff51 wrote:
Drhysted wrote:
For the record Geoff my tolerance of others is known (by those that actually know me) to be great. I put up with a lot of trouble before I react (it's a family trait).

However I am also well known to never back down when I am right.
Don't Threaten me A$$ole, Violence is the last bastion of the brain dead who have run out of words.
Well how wrong can one man be.

That was not a threat, it was a statement of fact (yes I know you don't understand facts).

If you knew me (which you so clearly do not) you know I have very seldom had to result to violence, it is not something I get any pleasure from, and it really is a last resort, because everyone looses when you result to violence.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: For the record Geoff my tolerance of others is known (by those that actually know me) to be great. I put up with a lot of trouble before I react (it's a family trait). However I am also well known to never back down when I am right.[/p][/quote]Don't Threaten me A$$ole, Violence is the last bastion of the brain dead who have run out of words.[/p][/quote]Well how wrong can one man be. That was not a threat, it was a statement of fact (yes I know you don't understand facts). If you knew me (which you so clearly do not) you know I have very seldom had to result to violence, it is not something I get any pleasure from, and it really is a last resort, because everyone looses when you result to violence. Drhysted
  • Score: 0

11:11am Sat 15 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

It was copied and pasted.

Either way, your post tacitly acknowledges that very many of the participants regard them as races - and behave accordingly. We will be able to get the public to accept sportives as fun rides when both organisers and racing cyclists treat them like fun rides and stop encouraging speeding and competition.

You say you put up with a lot of trouble before resorting to violence. Numerous racing riders resort to violence whenever they are held up, verbal abuse being added to thumping vehicles, riding threateningly at pedestrians, even hitting cattle has been witnessed and recorded.

You acknowledge that you do resort to violence if you deem it necessary. Yet you no doubt condemn (AS I ALSO EMPHATICALLY DO) tin tacks on the road spread by long-suffering folk who, like you, see no option other than this sort of "violence" after years of no action by the organisers to control aggressive riding. I emphasise that UNDERSTANDING DOES NOT MEAN CONDONING. Have you given any thought to the provocation which has driven members of the law-abiding community to such action?
Give an example of YOUR resorting to violence and your reasons for it. Did your violence persuade the victim that you were right? Never, ever resort to violence unless self-defence makes it impossible to avoid.

You are demonstrating a nasty grudge against other Forest users who have clashed with your enjoyment. Obviously I can't comment on your experience with trap-drivers and tractors - though observation shows that tractors judst chug along, and you are grumbling about the very infrequent trap-drives exactly as other road users grumble about frequent mass cycling events! However if you got caught up in a drift that must have been your own fault. Drifts are an essential part of Forest maintenance. Every effort is made to ensure that the way is clear, and ponies in drifts cannot be steered like a vehicle, so it is up to you to keep away from the area.
It was copied and pasted. Either way, your post tacitly acknowledges that very many of the participants regard them as races - and behave accordingly. We will be able to get the public to accept sportives as fun rides when both organisers and racing cyclists treat them like fun rides and stop encouraging speeding and competition. You say you put up with a lot of trouble before resorting to violence. Numerous racing riders resort to violence whenever they are held up, verbal abuse being added to thumping vehicles, riding threateningly at pedestrians, even hitting cattle has been witnessed and recorded. You acknowledge that you do resort to violence if you deem it necessary. Yet you no doubt condemn (AS I ALSO EMPHATICALLY DO) tin tacks on the road spread by long-suffering folk who, like you, see no option other than this sort of "violence" after years of no action by the organisers to control aggressive riding. I emphasise that UNDERSTANDING DOES NOT MEAN CONDONING. Have you given any thought to the provocation which has driven members of the law-abiding community to such action? Give an example of YOUR resorting to violence and your reasons for it. Did your violence persuade the victim that you were right? Never, ever resort to violence unless self-defence makes it impossible to avoid. You are demonstrating a nasty grudge against other Forest users who have clashed with your enjoyment. Obviously I can't comment on your experience with trap-drivers and tractors - though observation shows that tractors judst chug along, and you are grumbling about the very infrequent trap-drives exactly as other road users grumble about frequent mass cycling events! However if you got caught up in a drift that must have been your own fault. Drifts are an essential part of Forest maintenance. Every effort is made to ensure that the way is clear, and ponies in drifts cannot be steered like a vehicle, so it is up to you to keep away from the area. Reconciler
  • Score: 0

11:57am Sat 15 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

Reconciler wrote:
It was copied and pasted.

Either way, your post tacitly acknowledges that very many of the participants regard them as races - and behave accordingly. We will be able to get the public to accept sportives as fun rides when both organisers and racing cyclists treat them like fun rides and stop encouraging speeding and competition.

You say you put up with a lot of trouble before resorting to violence. Numerous racing riders resort to violence whenever they are held up, verbal abuse being added to thumping vehicles, riding threateningly at pedestrians, even hitting cattle has been witnessed and recorded.

You acknowledge that you do resort to violence if you deem it necessary. Yet you no doubt condemn (AS I ALSO EMPHATICALLY DO) tin tacks on the road spread by long-suffering folk who, like you, see no option other than this sort of "violence" after years of no action by the organisers to control aggressive riding. I emphasise that UNDERSTANDING DOES NOT MEAN CONDONING. Have you given any thought to the provocation which has driven members of the law-abiding community to such action?
Give an example of YOUR resorting to violence and your reasons for it. Did your violence persuade the victim that you were right? Never, ever resort to violence unless self-defence makes it impossible to avoid.

You are demonstrating a nasty grudge against other Forest users who have clashed with your enjoyment. Obviously I can't comment on your experience with trap-drivers and tractors - though observation shows that tractors judst chug along, and you are grumbling about the very infrequent trap-drives exactly as other road users grumble about frequent mass cycling events! However if you got caught up in a drift that must have been your own fault. Drifts are an essential part of Forest maintenance. Every effort is made to ensure that the way is clear, and ponies in drifts cannot be steered like a vehicle, so it is up to you to keep away from the area.
My last violence was when I was 12 over two decades ago, so nice try to twist my words.
Sportives are not races, my last one I averaged 13.5mph hardly racing, and still at that speed I overtook a lot of other riders that were there for fun and not racing (not really sure how many times I can type the fact that they are not races before you take your glasses off and realise THEY ARE NOT RACES).

The drift I mentioned was intentionally directed at me, for which I thanked them profusely, and got a "it's our right" response.
Yes I have shouted at some car drivers, all of them have tried to kill me with their cars, I still hope it was because they didn't see me or thought I could magic disappear from the bit of road they wanted. The thought that it was intentional would be worrying.

The idea of sportives is to get people (and their families) off their backsides and out exercising in a fun and enjoyable way. There is snobbery amounst cyclists who believe that we shouldn't do sportives, but Audaxes instead, and these are the ones that (although they haven't done a sportive) keep refering to them as races. Audazes unlike sportives have a maximum speed between points, which just happens to be the same speed you'd need to get gold time on a sportive (Gold last year was 15.5mph really racing!).

Final point if I can touch your car from my bike you are dangerously close as described in the Highway Code, which we now are fully aware is not law, otherwise a driver would be in jail now and not free to drive after causing a cyclists death.
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: It was copied and pasted. Either way, your post tacitly acknowledges that very many of the participants regard them as races - and behave accordingly. We will be able to get the public to accept sportives as fun rides when both organisers and racing cyclists treat them like fun rides and stop encouraging speeding and competition. You say you put up with a lot of trouble before resorting to violence. Numerous racing riders resort to violence whenever they are held up, verbal abuse being added to thumping vehicles, riding threateningly at pedestrians, even hitting cattle has been witnessed and recorded. You acknowledge that you do resort to violence if you deem it necessary. Yet you no doubt condemn (AS I ALSO EMPHATICALLY DO) tin tacks on the road spread by long-suffering folk who, like you, see no option other than this sort of "violence" after years of no action by the organisers to control aggressive riding. I emphasise that UNDERSTANDING DOES NOT MEAN CONDONING. Have you given any thought to the provocation which has driven members of the law-abiding community to such action? Give an example of YOUR resorting to violence and your reasons for it. Did your violence persuade the victim that you were right? Never, ever resort to violence unless self-defence makes it impossible to avoid. You are demonstrating a nasty grudge against other Forest users who have clashed with your enjoyment. Obviously I can't comment on your experience with trap-drivers and tractors - though observation shows that tractors judst chug along, and you are grumbling about the very infrequent trap-drives exactly as other road users grumble about frequent mass cycling events! However if you got caught up in a drift that must have been your own fault. Drifts are an essential part of Forest maintenance. Every effort is made to ensure that the way is clear, and ponies in drifts cannot be steered like a vehicle, so it is up to you to keep away from the area.[/p][/quote]My last violence was when I was 12 over two decades ago, so nice try to twist my words. Sportives are not races, my last one I averaged 13.5mph hardly racing, and still at that speed I overtook a lot of other riders that were there for fun and not racing (not really sure how many times I can type the fact that they are not races before you take your glasses off and realise THEY ARE NOT RACES). The drift I mentioned was intentionally directed at me, for which I thanked them profusely, and got a "it's our right" response. Yes I have shouted at some car drivers, all of them have tried to kill me with their cars, I still hope it was because they didn't see me or thought I could magic disappear from the bit of road they wanted. The thought that it was intentional would be worrying. The idea of sportives is to get people (and their families) off their backsides and out exercising in a fun and enjoyable way. There is snobbery amounst cyclists who believe that we shouldn't do sportives, but Audaxes instead, and these are the ones that (although they haven't done a sportive) keep refering to them as races. Audazes unlike sportives have a maximum speed between points, which just happens to be the same speed you'd need to get gold time on a sportive (Gold last year was 15.5mph really racing!). Final point if I can touch your car from my bike you are dangerously close as described in the Highway Code, which we now are fully aware is not law, otherwise a driver would be in jail now and not free to drive after causing a cyclists death. Drhysted
  • Score: 0

12:56pm Sat 15 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

Cyclists ride up very close to crawling vehicles. When it happened to me I was being considerate, not getting too near to slow riders when fast ones tried to overtake me in the inadequate space on the RH side of the narrow lane. When I would not move over to avoid crowding the slow riders my car was thumped on the back by the impatient racing riders. You can't have it both ways. Another poor lady was surrounded by masses of riders and needed to turn left with them. She indicated well in advance and crept round the corner leaving space for those inside her, and her van was pummelled by the fast ones trying to use her offside - where there was no space because of oncoming traffic. She could have done nothing else. Why do you insist drivers must leave space, while failing to condemn riders who themselves ride into that space - especially the rider failing to give way at a pinch-point, who slipped at speed through the 18" wide gap between an almost stationary oncoming car and the traffic island. I was very close by on the footpath, and had to stifle a scream, as he was within an inch of his life - literally. Would you have blamed the car-driver?

The following answer, which is apparently not part of your post elsewhere referred to above, demonstrates that you are in the minority in saying that sportives are not regarded as races by a very great proportion of the participants.
"I know nobody who does sportives who does not tacitly accept that they are races. They are races.

That is why people call them races."

No matter how often you and the organisers claim that they are not races, competitive MAMILS will continue to treat them as such, to the detriment of considerate riders as well as other Forest users. Get rid of the adrenalin and you lose most of the bad riding, but how do you suggest we do that, so that we can all share in peace?
Cyclists ride up very close to crawling vehicles. When it happened to me I was being considerate, not getting too near to slow riders when fast ones tried to overtake me in the inadequate space on the RH side of the narrow lane. When I would not move over to avoid crowding the slow riders my car was thumped on the back by the impatient racing riders. You can't have it both ways. Another poor lady was surrounded by masses of riders and needed to turn left with them. She indicated well in advance and crept round the corner leaving space for those inside her, and her van was pummelled by the fast ones trying to use her offside - where there was no space because of oncoming traffic. She could have done nothing else. Why do you insist drivers must leave space, while failing to condemn riders who themselves ride into that space - especially the rider failing to give way at a pinch-point, who slipped at speed through the 18" wide gap between an almost stationary oncoming car and the traffic island. I was very close by on the footpath, and had to stifle a scream, as he was within an inch of his life - literally. Would you have blamed the car-driver? The following answer, which is apparently not part of your post elsewhere referred to above, demonstrates that you are in the minority in saying that sportives are not regarded as races by a very great proportion of the participants. "I know nobody who does sportives who does not tacitly accept that they are races. They are races. That is why people call them races." No matter how often you and the organisers claim that they are not races, competitive MAMILS will continue to treat them as such, to the detriment of considerate riders as well as other Forest users. Get rid of the adrenalin and you lose most of the bad riding, but how do you suggest we do that, so that we can all share in peace? Reconciler
  • Score: 0

6:31pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

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Not sure why you had to falsify my quote to try to discredit me. Does bring into question everything else you have typed!
[URL=http://s210.pho tobucket.com/user/dr hysted/media/7e0f487 0-047a-4da4-9733-374 2e2b885df_zpsad7dddc 6.png.html][IMG]http://i210.photobuc ket.com/albums/bb208 /drhysted/7e0f4870-0 47a-4da4-9733-3742e2 b885df_zpsad7dddc6.p ng[/IMG][/URL] Not sure why you had to falsify my quote to try to discredit me. Does bring into question everything else you have typed! Drhysted
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6:36pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Drhysted wrote:
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Not sure why you had to falsify my quote to try to discredit me. Does bring into question everything else you have typed!
Reconciler has been caught lying.
[quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: [URL=http://s210.pho tobucket.com/user/dr hysted/media/7e0f487 0-047a-4da4-9733-374 2e2b885df_zpsad7dddc 6.png.html][IMG]http://i210.photobuc ket.com/albums/bb208 /drhysted/7e0f4870-0 47a-4da4-9733-3742e2 b885df_zpsad7dddc6.p ng[/IMG][/URL] Not sure why you had to falsify my quote to try to discredit me. Does bring into question everything else you have typed![/p][/quote]Reconciler has been caught lying. Ginger_cyclist
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8:26pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

I didn't do the falsifying, but innocently copied and pasted an extract. Read the second para of my post more carefully and you will see I acknowledged your statement that you had only written the first part. Why do you now say I am lying? The fact remains that what I now realise is a reply to you discredits your constant claim of no racing within a sportive. Look through other cycling chat sites and you will see that I speak the truth. I can copy you quite a few. How about this one for starters, talking about the Wiggle 100 2013:

"However I agree that some of the narrow New Forest lanes were over-crowded, and I can sympathise with certain locals feeling swamped by cyclists on such weekends. With such an inclusive event it's inevitable that not everyone will understand group cycling etiquette. While this could be frustrating at times of greater annoyance were the speed-freak club riders hell-bent on getting as fast a time as possible. It became apparent to me early on that this was not the sportive to target your highest average speed or worry about your Garmin stats or bloody Strava segments"

Most people call such behaviour racing, and there is conclusive proof that two teams of 20 were racing each other on 6th October. Google "Posties v Plods" and see what you find.
I didn't do the falsifying, but innocently copied and pasted an extract. Read the second para of my post more carefully and you will see I acknowledged your statement that you had only written the first part. Why do you now say I am lying? The fact remains that what I now realise is a reply to you discredits your constant claim of no racing within a sportive. Look through other cycling chat sites and you will see that I speak the truth. I can copy you quite a few. How about this one for starters, talking about the Wiggle 100 2013: "However I agree that some of the narrow New Forest lanes were over-crowded, and I can sympathise with certain locals feeling swamped by cyclists on such weekends. With such an inclusive event it's inevitable that not everyone will understand group cycling etiquette. While this could be frustrating at times of greater annoyance were the speed-freak club riders hell-bent on getting as fast a time as possible. It became apparent to me early on that this was not the sportive to target your highest average speed or worry about your Garmin stats or bloody Strava segments" Most people call such behaviour racing, and there is conclusive proof that two teams of 20 were racing each other on 6th October. Google "Posties v Plods" and see what you find. Reconciler
  • Score: -1

8:35pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

Another discovery you may care to comment on, written about a week after the Wiggle 100:

"1. DRHysted said: ↑
The point being made is that some people do regard sportives as a race, not all, some. It is the behaviour of that sub set that risks damaging the enjoyment of the rest. "
Another discovery you may care to comment on, written about a week after the Wiggle 100: "1. DRHysted said: ↑ The point being made is that some people do regard sportives as a race, not all, some. It is the behaviour of that sub set that risks damaging the enjoyment of the rest. " Reconciler
  • Score: -1

9:13pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

Sorry you did a Boris Johnson and falsified a quote to suit your needs. This means before I trust anything you ever type I would have to check the details myself.
I would also advise others to do the same.

Why you would feel the need to do such a blatantly stupid thing, that could be discovered so easily I can not work out, as it takes away your entire credibility.
Sorry you did a Boris Johnson and falsified a quote to suit your needs. This means before I trust anything you ever type I would have to check the details myself. I would also advise others to do the same. Why you would feel the need to do such a blatantly stupid thing, that could be discovered so easily I can not work out, as it takes away your entire credibility. Drhysted
  • Score: 0

11:17pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

So you harp on about a mistake (which was caused by computer crash followed by restoration of my document, which I have now discovered left out various words and sentences, running two quotes together in this case) and make no comments on the other quotes I have found? If you can deny that this latest one is accurate I will apologise. Please check it. If it is accurate, it would appear that you did indeed believe, at least at that time, that some people regard sportives as races. What made you believe this? Had you seen them racing? In my observation it is the adrenalin-fulled racers who are bringing the sport into disrepute and causing distress to other road users. As I keep on repeating, considerate riders are very welcome.
So you harp on about a mistake (which was caused by computer crash followed by restoration of my document, which I have now discovered left out various words and sentences, running two quotes together in this case) and make no comments on the other quotes I have found? If you can deny that this latest one is accurate I will apologise. Please check it. If it is accurate, it would appear that you did indeed believe, at least at that time, that some people regard sportives as races. What made you believe this? Had you seen them racing? In my observation it is the adrenalin-fulled racers who are bringing the sport into disrepute and causing distress to other road users. As I keep on repeating, considerate riders are very welcome. Reconciler
  • Score: 0

5:54am Mon 17 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

Yes you made a mistake, you got caught falsifying a quote. "My computer crashed" is a very poor excuse.
I really don't see why I should waste my time checking to see if you are lying or not this time. I do believe that I have been extremely consistent in saying that sportive a are not races, and have not had to falsify others quotes to show this.
Yes you made a mistake, you got caught falsifying a quote. "My computer crashed" is a very poor excuse. I really don't see why I should waste my time checking to see if you are lying or not this time. I do believe that I have been extremely consistent in saying that sportive a are not races, and have not had to falsify others quotes to show this. Drhysted
  • Score: 0

10:09am Mon 17 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

I went through the 'recovered' file and thought I had sorted it out. As you have now pointed out, I was misled, so please accept my apologies. However, I should be grateful if you would stop saying "deliberately", which is libellous. You are using this as an excuse to avoid dealing with my other comments. What a wonderful get-out!

Whoever wrote the quote I mistakenly added to the end of yours obviously does not agree with you about racing within sportives. There are loads of other similar remarks on cycling chat sites, so you have to accept that you are not speaking for all your fellow riders. I agree with you that it is not ALL but SOME riders who are bringing the sport into disrepute.
I went through the 'recovered' file and thought I had sorted it out. As you have now pointed out, I was misled, so please accept my apologies. However, I should be grateful if you would stop saying "deliberately", which is libellous. You are using this as an excuse to avoid dealing with my other comments. What a wonderful get-out! Whoever wrote the quote I mistakenly added to the end of yours obviously does not agree with you about racing within sportives. There are loads of other similar remarks on cycling chat sites, so you have to accept that you are not speaking for all your fellow riders. I agree with you that it is not ALL but SOME riders who are bringing the sport into disrepute. Reconciler
  • Score: 0

10:12am Mon 17 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

I went through the 'recovered' file and thought I had sorted it out. As you have now pointed out, I was misled, so please accept my apologies. However, I should be grateful if you would stop saying "deliberately", which is libellous. You are using this as an excuse to avoid dealing with my other comments. What a wonderful get-out!

Whoever wrote the quote I mistakenly added to the end of yours obviously does not agree with you about racing within sportives. There are loads of other similar remarks on cycling chat sites, so you have to accept that you are not speaking for all your fellow riders. I agree with you that it is not ALL but SOME riders who are bringing the sport into disrepute. Why not help eliminate the problems they cause instead of attacking the people who suffer the problems?
I went through the 'recovered' file and thought I had sorted it out. As you have now pointed out, I was misled, so please accept my apologies. However, I should be grateful if you would stop saying "deliberately", which is libellous. You are using this as an excuse to avoid dealing with my other comments. What a wonderful get-out! Whoever wrote the quote I mistakenly added to the end of yours obviously does not agree with you about racing within sportives. There are loads of other similar remarks on cycling chat sites, so you have to accept that you are not speaking for all your fellow riders. I agree with you that it is not ALL but SOME riders who are bringing the sport into disrepute. Why not help eliminate the problems they cause instead of attacking the people who suffer the problems? Reconciler
  • Score: 0

5:12pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

Thank you for finally apologising for making me out to be a liar. I accepted twisting my words, but altering a quote in a way that appeared to suit your needs was further than I'd accept.
I will accept that it was a failure to check details on your part this time.
I can not recall saying I speak for all cyclists (I don't believe there is a Cycling ruler, I certainly have not been introduced). If you spend any time on those forums you'll notice that there is no united group of cyclists (and a good deal of snobbery and inverted snobbery).
All I can say is I do not consider Sportives races. The Highway Authority do not consider Sportives races. The Police Authority do not consider Sportives races. This British Cycling Assosiation do not consider Sportives races (they provide the 3rd party insurance for all entrants). So I must conclude that they are not races.
Thank you for finally apologising for making me out to be a liar. I accepted twisting my words, but altering a quote in a way that appeared to suit your needs was further than I'd accept. I will accept that it was a failure to check details on your part this time. I can not recall saying I speak for all cyclists (I don't believe there is a Cycling ruler, I certainly have not been introduced). If you spend any time on those forums you'll notice that there is no united group of cyclists (and a good deal of snobbery and inverted snobbery). All I can say is I do not consider Sportives races. The Highway Authority do not consider Sportives races. The Police Authority do not consider Sportives races. This British Cycling Assosiation do not consider Sportives races (they provide the 3rd party insurance for all entrants). So I must conclude that they are not races. Drhysted
  • Score: -1

5:41pm Mon 17 Feb 14

loosehead says...

look I use to ride a cycle everyday & wish there were events or I'd known of the different cycle clubs in this city when I was younger.
but to say NO to these types of events is wrong you might as well shut all the camping sites & put up signs saying the New Forest is closed to all but residents
look I use to ride a cycle everyday & wish there were events or I'd known of the different cycle clubs in this city when I was younger. but to say NO to these types of events is wrong you might as well shut all the camping sites & put up signs saying the New Forest is closed to all but residents loosehead
  • Score: -1

8:36pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

Thank you for accepting my apology and assurance that I did not deliberately misquote you. However, forgive me, but I do find it necessary to point out that you still have not acknowledged that many cyclists do treat these events as races, contradicting the other quote of yours. Here it is again:
""1. DRHysted said: ↑
The point being made is that some people do regard sportives as a race, not all, some. It is the behaviour of that sub set that risks damaging the enjoyment of the rest. "

If you agree that you did write this quote, we are in agreement! As I keep on saying, it is the adrenalin fuelled racing riders that are spoiling it for everyone - considerate cyclists and other road users alike. Can you think of ways of improving their behaviour? All the cycling codes and videos in the world have no effect on such racing riders. I say once again: CONSIDERATE CYCLISTS ARE VERY WELCOME!

And, not being nasty, I can't understand how you feel I "twisted" your words (apart from the mistaken quote). I tried to treat them on perfectly straight interpretation. Again, I will apologise if you can show me what you mean, as I have no wish to upset anytbody.

Loosehead: I know of very few who want to say no to these types of events. The vast majority of other road users just want mutual, reasonable courtesy and consideration.
Thank you for accepting my apology and assurance that I did not deliberately misquote you. However, forgive me, but I do find it necessary to point out that you still have not acknowledged that many cyclists do treat these events as races, contradicting the other quote of yours. Here it is again: ""1. DRHysted said: ↑ The point being made is that some people do regard sportives as a race, not all, some. It is the behaviour of that sub set that risks damaging the enjoyment of the rest. " If you agree that you did write this quote, we are in agreement! As I keep on saying, it is the adrenalin fuelled racing riders that are spoiling it for everyone - considerate cyclists and other road users alike. Can you think of ways of improving their behaviour? All the cycling codes and videos in the world have no effect on such racing riders. I say once again: CONSIDERATE CYCLISTS ARE VERY WELCOME! And, not being nasty, I can't understand how you feel I "twisted" your words (apart from the mistaken quote). I tried to treat them on perfectly straight interpretation. Again, I will apologise if you can show me what you mean, as I have no wish to upset anytbody. Loosehead: I know of very few who want to say no to these types of events. The vast majority of other road users just want mutual, reasonable courtesy and consideration. Reconciler
  • Score: 0

9:52pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Reconciler wrote:
Thank you for accepting my apology and assurance that I did not deliberately misquote you. However, forgive me, but I do find it necessary to point out that you still have not acknowledged that many cyclists do treat these events as races, contradicting the other quote of yours. Here it is again:
""1. DRHysted said: ↑
The point being made is that some people do regard sportives as a race, not all, some. It is the behaviour of that sub set that risks damaging the enjoyment of the rest. "

If you agree that you did write this quote, we are in agreement! As I keep on saying, it is the adrenalin fuelled racing riders that are spoiling it for everyone - considerate cyclists and other road users alike. Can you think of ways of improving their behaviour? All the cycling codes and videos in the world have no effect on such racing riders. I say once again: CONSIDERATE CYCLISTS ARE VERY WELCOME!

And, not being nasty, I can't understand how you feel I "twisted" your words (apart from the mistaken quote). I tried to treat them on perfectly straight interpretation. Again, I will apologise if you can show me what you mean, as I have no wish to upset anytbody.

Loosehead: I know of very few who want to say no to these types of events. The vast majority of other road users just want mutual, reasonable courtesy and consideration.
Sort out the bad behaviour of those in control of potential killing machines first, you know, the 1 to 2 tonne things on 4 wheels that REGULARLY kill/seriously injure people AND animals in the forest, then and ONLY THEN, can you start on the road users that are LEAST likely to cause serious injury/death.
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: Thank you for accepting my apology and assurance that I did not deliberately misquote you. However, forgive me, but I do find it necessary to point out that you still have not acknowledged that many cyclists do treat these events as races, contradicting the other quote of yours. Here it is again: ""1. DRHysted said: ↑ The point being made is that some people do regard sportives as a race, not all, some. It is the behaviour of that sub set that risks damaging the enjoyment of the rest. " If you agree that you did write this quote, we are in agreement! As I keep on saying, it is the adrenalin fuelled racing riders that are spoiling it for everyone - considerate cyclists and other road users alike. Can you think of ways of improving their behaviour? All the cycling codes and videos in the world have no effect on such racing riders. I say once again: CONSIDERATE CYCLISTS ARE VERY WELCOME! And, not being nasty, I can't understand how you feel I "twisted" your words (apart from the mistaken quote). I tried to treat them on perfectly straight interpretation. Again, I will apologise if you can show me what you mean, as I have no wish to upset anytbody. Loosehead: I know of very few who want to say no to these types of events. The vast majority of other road users just want mutual, reasonable courtesy and consideration.[/p][/quote]Sort out the bad behaviour of those in control of potential killing machines first, you know, the 1 to 2 tonne things on 4 wheels that REGULARLY kill/seriously injure people AND animals in the forest, then and ONLY THEN, can you start on the road users that are LEAST likely to cause serious injury/death. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -2

11:40pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

Why can't we keep trying to do both at once? The fact that there are bad drivers doesn't excuse bad cyclists. This thread is about huge mass cycling events.
Why can't we keep trying to do both at once? The fact that there are bad drivers doesn't excuse bad cyclists. This thread is about huge mass cycling events. Reconciler
  • Score: 2

11:47pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Reconciler wrote:
Why can't we keep trying to do both at once? The fact that there are bad drivers doesn't excuse bad cyclists. This thread is about huge mass cycling events.
But which is more likely to kill someone the the actions of the one at the controls of each vehicle? The car, or the bicycle?
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: Why can't we keep trying to do both at once? The fact that there are bad drivers doesn't excuse bad cyclists. This thread is about huge mass cycling events.[/p][/quote]But which is more likely to kill someone the the actions of the one at the controls of each vehicle? The car, or the bicycle? Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -1

11:55pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

Reconciler wrote:
Thank you for accepting my apology and assurance that I did not deliberately misquote you. However, forgive me, but I do find it necessary to point out that you still have not acknowledged that many cyclists do treat these events as races, contradicting the other quote of yours. Here it is again:
""1. DRHysted said: ↑
The point being made is that some people do regard sportives as a race, not all, some. It is the behaviour of that sub set that risks damaging the enjoyment of the rest. "

If you agree that you did write this quote, we are in agreement! As I keep on saying, it is the adrenalin fuelled racing riders that are spoiling it for everyone - considerate cyclists and other road users alike. Can you think of ways of improving their behaviour? All the cycling codes and videos in the world have no effect on such racing riders. I say once again: CONSIDERATE CYCLISTS ARE VERY WELCOME!

And, not being nasty, I can't understand how you feel I "twisted" your words (apart from the mistaken quote). I tried to treat them on perfectly straight interpretation. Again, I will apologise if you can show me what you mean, as I have no wish to upset anytbody.

Loosehead: I know of very few who want to say no to these types of events. The vast majority of other road users just want mutual, reasonable courtesy and consideration.
You need a new computer!

I can confirm that once again I did not type that.

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The bit in the box where it says "DRHysted said: ↑" is what I have typed. The bit underneath that "The point being made is that some people do regard sportives as a race, not all, some. It is the behaviour of that sub set that risks damaging the enjoyment of the rest." was posted by PK99. A person who lives in London not the New Forest. I can not explain other peoples views.

Now before you quote me again, please, please, please make sure you get it right. Once is a mistake, twice is incompetence, a third time would be hard to dismiss as deliberate.

For the record considerate cyclists are not feeling very welcome since Dr Lewis letter last year. The standard of driving has visibly deteriorated, which has resulted in me using a much more assertive road position to ensure my safety.
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: Thank you for accepting my apology and assurance that I did not deliberately misquote you. However, forgive me, but I do find it necessary to point out that you still have not acknowledged that many cyclists do treat these events as races, contradicting the other quote of yours. Here it is again: ""1. DRHysted said: ↑ The point being made is that some people do regard sportives as a race, not all, some. It is the behaviour of that sub set that risks damaging the enjoyment of the rest. " If you agree that you did write this quote, we are in agreement! As I keep on saying, it is the adrenalin fuelled racing riders that are spoiling it for everyone - considerate cyclists and other road users alike. Can you think of ways of improving their behaviour? All the cycling codes and videos in the world have no effect on such racing riders. I say once again: CONSIDERATE CYCLISTS ARE VERY WELCOME! And, not being nasty, I can't understand how you feel I "twisted" your words (apart from the mistaken quote). I tried to treat them on perfectly straight interpretation. Again, I will apologise if you can show me what you mean, as I have no wish to upset anytbody. Loosehead: I know of very few who want to say no to these types of events. The vast majority of other road users just want mutual, reasonable courtesy and consideration.[/p][/quote]You need a new computer! I can confirm that once again I did not type that. [URL=http://s210.pho tobucket.com/user/dr hysted/media/7593bc7 c-0466-4c81-8083-565 7e85326de_zps25993f3 0.png.html][IMG]http://i210.photobuc ket.com/albums/bb208 /drhysted/7593bc7c-0 466-4c81-8083-5657e8 5326de_zps25993f30.p ng[/IMG][/URL] The bit in the box where it says "DRHysted said: ↑" is what I have typed. The bit underneath that "The point being made is that some people do regard sportives as a race, not all, some. It is the behaviour of that sub set that risks damaging the enjoyment of the rest." was posted by PK99. A person who lives in London not the New Forest. I can not explain other peoples views. Now before you quote me again, please, please, please make sure you get it right. Once is a mistake, twice is incompetence, a third time would be hard to dismiss as deliberate. For the record considerate cyclists are not feeling very welcome since Dr Lewis letter last year. The standard of driving has visibly deteriorated, which has resulted in me using a much more assertive road position to ensure my safety. Drhysted
  • Score: 0

11:57pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

Reconciler wrote:
Why can't we keep trying to do both at once? The fact that there are bad drivers doesn't excuse bad cyclists. This thread is about huge mass cycling events.
That I will agree with.

I believe idiots are idiots regardless as to what form of transport they use.
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: Why can't we keep trying to do both at once? The fact that there are bad drivers doesn't excuse bad cyclists. This thread is about huge mass cycling events.[/p][/quote]That I will agree with. I believe idiots are idiots regardless as to what form of transport they use. Drhysted
  • Score: 2

10:11am Tue 18 Feb 14

good-gosh says...

The problems with cycling start with children – they won't really care much about codes, to them it is a question of 'can I make it without a spill?' and when they become young adults, they have survived without codes and so carry on ignoring codes whenever it suits them. What is the answer? – there is none – people are fickle – and we all have to put up with each other – so may as well enjoy it.

How boring would it be if cars and cyclists and pedestrians and animals were all segregated from each other and everyone moved about like robots in sterile safety bubbles? And, would that stop the complains? No – some groups would have better routes than others
The problems with cycling start with children – they won't really care much about codes, to them it is a question of 'can I make it without a spill?' and when they become young adults, they have survived without codes and so carry on ignoring codes whenever it suits them. What is the answer? – there is none – people are fickle – and we all have to put up with each other – so may as well enjoy it. How boring would it be if cars and cyclists and pedestrians and animals were all segregated from each other and everyone moved about like robots in sterile safety bubbles? And, would that stop the complains? No – some groups would have better routes than others good-gosh
  • Score: 1

11:03am Tue 18 Feb 14

Reconciler says...

Many thanks, Drhysted, for helping me sort out my corrupted file, and apologies for the further mistake. Actually, I have come to the conclusion that it is more the server that is to blame than the computer. Our service, a mile or 2 away from the "station" - or whatever the technical term is - is intermittent, unreliable and very slow, and every so often the whole computer just dies on us. We are then reliant on recovered files for whatever programme was open at the time. It doesn't matter so much when the open file is small, but correcting big files is nigh impossible and takes hours. I freely admit to computer incompetence, but do try to back up everything - sometimes, as in this case, without success. Please try to understand the problems faced by country dwellers. Reliable high-speed broadband is a distant expensive dream. I don't think I have any other quotes of yours, so please don't worry that I might drop you in it again!

New Forest villagers are constantly striving to keep fast traffic under control. Unfortunately planners in NE Dorset and S Wilts have allowed huge new estates, and Southampton employs a high proportion of the workers from these houses. Driving across the Forest, therefore, is seen as a very attractive commute and has increased enormously. People late for work or tired and wanting to get home don't worry about speed limits and looking out for animals and cyclists. Many just cannot see the point of keeping to 40mph. They think 60 is perfectly safe because they don't understand the special nature of the Forest. We do our best, e.g. the pinch points in Burley and Godshill, and keep nagging the Police, who mount speed camera campaigns from time to time, but it is a constant struggle. I could go on and on, but this thread is about cycling, not driving and also I do hope it doesn't turn into correspondence about the difficulties of computers in the countryside! Sorry, but I am not familiar with the Dr Lewis letter.

Please understand that I, in company with very many residents, stand at the side of the road and exchange waves and smiles with most cyclists, often answering queries about how far it is to the next refreshment stop, for instance. I have personally put right a Wiggle direction sign that had been turned round. All we ask is that huge groups behave according to the Wiggle code of conduct and Highway Code, and treat working commoners and other vehicles in their way with respect and courtesy - which means a slightly lower speed result,. It is an unfortunate truth that the bad behaviour of some cyclists has turned some less sensible motorists against all cyclists - and vice versa. That is why we all need to campaign for mutual courtesy.

Thank you, GoshGosh. I agree.
Many thanks, Drhysted, for helping me sort out my corrupted file, and apologies for the further mistake. Actually, I have come to the conclusion that it is more the server that is to blame than the computer. Our service, a mile or 2 away from the "station" - or whatever the technical term is - is intermittent, unreliable and very slow, and every so often the whole computer just dies on us. We are then reliant on recovered files for whatever programme was open at the time. It doesn't matter so much when the open file is small, but correcting big files is nigh impossible and takes hours. I freely admit to computer incompetence, but do try to back up everything - sometimes, as in this case, without success. Please try to understand the problems faced by country dwellers. Reliable high-speed broadband is a distant expensive dream. I don't think I have any other quotes of yours, so please don't worry that I might drop you in it again! New Forest villagers are constantly striving to keep fast traffic under control. Unfortunately planners in NE Dorset and S Wilts have allowed huge new estates, and Southampton employs a high proportion of the workers from these houses. Driving across the Forest, therefore, is seen as a very attractive commute and has increased enormously. People late for work or tired and wanting to get home don't worry about speed limits and looking out for animals and cyclists. Many just cannot see the point of keeping to 40mph. They think 60 is perfectly safe because they don't understand the special nature of the Forest. We do our best, e.g. the pinch points in Burley and Godshill, and keep nagging the Police, who mount speed camera campaigns from time to time, but it is a constant struggle. I could go on and on, but this thread is about cycling, not driving and also I do hope it doesn't turn into correspondence about the difficulties of computers in the countryside! Sorry, but I am not familiar with the Dr Lewis letter. Please understand that I, in company with very many residents, stand at the side of the road and exchange waves and smiles with most cyclists, often answering queries about how far it is to the next refreshment stop, for instance. I have personally put right a Wiggle direction sign that had been turned round. All we ask is that huge groups behave according to the Wiggle code of conduct and Highway Code, and treat working commoners and other vehicles in their way with respect and courtesy - which means a slightly lower speed result,. It is an unfortunate truth that the bad behaviour of some cyclists has turned some less sensible motorists against all cyclists - and vice versa. That is why we all need to campaign for mutual courtesy. Thank you, GoshGosh. I agree. Reconciler
  • Score: 1

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