Campaigners say no to fracking in New Forest

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First published in New Forest Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by

CAMPAIGNERS are set to fight moves to allow fracking to take place in the New Forest National Park, the Daily Echo can reveal.

The National Park Authority (NPA) is likely to press the Government to exclude the area from the controversial practice, which has sparked widespread protests across the UK.

It follows the revelation that cities, national parks and even urban commons will be opened up for fracking and other forms of exploration.

The Department for Energy and Climate Change is set to announce a new round of onshore oil and gas exploration licensing, with about two thirds of Britain potentially on offer to energy companies.

But the NPA is poised to make a stand in a bid to protect the ancient landscape.

NPA member Cllr David Harrison said: “Most members of the Authority assumed that the Government would exempt national parks from rules that will make it easier for fracking licences to be given.

“Now it seems we’ll have to start lobbying Government ministers and remind them of the very special environment that we’re helping look after.

“The New Forest should be one of the last places in the country where fracking is permitted.

"It would be a mistake to think that the planning process gives the New Forest enough protection against environmental threats on this scale.”

Graham Baker from the New Forest Association (NFA) added: “National parks are our finest landscapes and we oppose any large-scale development.

“The NFA is sending a delegate to the forthcoming Hampshire County Council symposium on fracking to gain further knowledge.”

Julian Lewis, Tory MP for New Forest East, said the Forest should be a fracking-free zone until the technique had been tested in less sensitive parts of the country.

“I’d certainly like to see the New Forest excluded from fracking until it’s been proven to be safe and u n o b t r u - sive,” he said.

Fracking involves drilling thousands of feet underground and then pumping in pressurised water and chemicals to crack the rocks below and release trapped pockets of gas. The controversial process has been blamed for causing mini-earthquakes in Lancashire.

As reported in the Daily Echo, campaigners have launched a report highlighting the dangers that shale gas exploration poses to wildlife.

The Are We Fit To Frack?

report calls for extraction exclusion zones in environmentallysensitive areas, including national parks. It is spearheaded by leading wildlife groups and supported by a cross-party team of politicians, including Southampton Test MP Alan Whitehead.

Last year the Daily Echo revealed that gas companies have already been granted eight licences for fracking in southern Hampshire.

The areas affected include land between North Baddesley and Fairthorne, Kings Worthy and Stockbridge, and Chilton and Amport.

Licences have also been issued for Hampage Wood near Winchester and areas east of Fareham and Hambledon.

It is unlikely that all the sites would be fracked, because some might have the potential to generate conventional gas instead.

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12:56pm Fri 16 May 14

sburman says...

The quote says `The New Forest should be one of the last places in the country where fracking is permitted`
How does anyone figure that one out?
We will have to get out future fuel/Power from somewhere. But, it would seem, not from:
Fossil fuels
Oil
Fracking
Wind farms
Nuclear energy
Recycled waste
Is there a fuel somewhere that is available in the quantity needed and that everyone can agree on.
The quote says `The New Forest should be one of the last places in the country where fracking is permitted` How does anyone figure that one out? We will have to get out future fuel/Power from somewhere. But, it would seem, not from: Fossil fuels Oil Fracking Wind farms Nuclear energy Recycled waste Is there a fuel somewhere that is available in the quantity needed and that everyone can agree on. sburman
  • Score: 12

1:23pm Fri 16 May 14

good-gosh says...

An objection is absolutely valid because the Forest is specially protected from development. It could be overridden if development became vital for the Nation, but it isn't because there are many other areas outside the forest for fracking. Of course, this is only about the ethics of national parks and nothing to do with the ethics of fracking.
An objection is absolutely valid because the Forest is specially protected from development. It could be overridden if development became vital for the Nation, but it isn't because there are many other areas outside the forest for fracking. Of course, this is only about the ethics of national parks and nothing to do with the ethics of fracking. good-gosh
  • Score: 6

1:32pm Fri 16 May 14

Graeme Harrison says...

sburman wrote:
The quote says `The New Forest should be one of the last places in the country where fracking is permitted`
How does anyone figure that one out?
We will have to get out future fuel/Power from somewhere. But, it would seem, not from:
Fossil fuels
Oil
Fracking
Wind farms
Nuclear energy
Recycled waste
Is there a fuel somewhere that is available in the quantity needed and that everyone can agree on.
Cllr Harrison (no relation) works that one out by:
(a) living in the NF.
(b) not wanting anything in his backyard.
(c) being quite happy with something being in someone else's backyard but only if that someone never intended to vote for him in the first place.
(d) being desperate to hang on to his allowances as a councillor and so willing to spout any old **** to keep his neighbours happy.
[quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: The quote says `The New Forest should be one of the last places in the country where fracking is permitted` How does anyone figure that one out? We will have to get out future fuel/Power from somewhere. But, it would seem, not from: Fossil fuels Oil Fracking Wind farms Nuclear energy Recycled waste Is there a fuel somewhere that is available in the quantity needed and that everyone can agree on.[/p][/quote]Cllr Harrison (no relation) works that one out by: (a) living in the NF. (b) not wanting anything in his backyard. (c) being quite happy with something being in someone else's backyard but only if that someone never intended to vote for him in the first place. (d) being desperate to hang on to his allowances as a councillor and so willing to spout any old **** to keep his neighbours happy. Graeme Harrison
  • Score: 2

2:23pm Fri 16 May 14

country bird says...

I object strongly. This shouldn't even be a consideration.
I object strongly. This shouldn't even be a consideration. country bird
  • Score: 3

2:35pm Fri 16 May 14

imspacedout says...

I assume whoever would consider doing this would also care so little that they'll be even more damage done that would be if the operation went 100% okay but I doubt that, and we all know that some people like to cut corners. Please leave the New Forest alone. That's what our planet depends on right now not more fracking.
I assume whoever would consider doing this would also care so little that they'll be even more damage done that would be if the operation went 100% okay but I doubt that, and we all know that some people like to cut corners. Please leave the New Forest alone. That's what our planet depends on right now not more fracking. imspacedout
  • Score: 7

3:06pm Fri 16 May 14

Torchie1 says...

In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.
In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in. Torchie1
  • Score: 5

3:40pm Fri 16 May 14

Richard 51 says...

No wind Mills, no fracking, fork handles (four candles) comes to mind
No wind Mills, no fracking, fork handles (four candles) comes to mind Richard 51
  • Score: -2

3:53pm Fri 16 May 14

downfader says...

You know, with the vociferous complaints that it should go ahead in the South all week in The Sun and co I can well imagine the New Forest cannot really complain "leave us out!"

Why should they get special exemption if this fuel is "drastically needed and vital the economy" paraphrased from Lord Brown.
You know, with the vociferous complaints that it should go ahead in the South all week in The Sun and co I can well imagine the New Forest cannot really complain "leave us out!" Why should they get special exemption if this fuel is "drastically needed and vital the economy" paraphrased from Lord Brown. downfader
  • Score: -8

4:01pm Fri 16 May 14

Mary80 says...

downfader wrote:
You know, with the vociferous complaints that it should go ahead in the South all week in The Sun and co I can well imagine the New Forest cannot really complain "leave us out!"

Why should they get special exemption if this fuel is "drastically needed and vital the economy" paraphrased from Lord Brown.
Yes who cares about the animals and the rare plants that can cure disease, yeah lets just trash a world famous landmark that brings in money. who gives a **** huh....*Face palm*
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: You know, with the vociferous complaints that it should go ahead in the South all week in The Sun and co I can well imagine the New Forest cannot really complain "leave us out!" Why should they get special exemption if this fuel is "drastically needed and vital the economy" paraphrased from Lord Brown.[/p][/quote]Yes who cares about the animals and the rare plants that can cure disease, yeah lets just trash a world famous landmark that brings in money. who gives a **** huh....*Face palm* Mary80
  • Score: 2

4:38pm Fri 16 May 14

geoff51 says...

As Fawley is just on the edge of the New forest and any Deposits worth exploiting would be nearby it is the obvious choice for at least test fracking.
When the Greens have got us all back in caves lighting our way with animal fat lamps will they be happy? because we wont be!
As Fawley is just on the edge of the New forest and any Deposits worth exploiting would be nearby it is the obvious choice for at least test fracking. When the Greens have got us all back in caves lighting our way with animal fat lamps will they be happy? because we wont be! geoff51
  • Score: 0

4:41pm Fri 16 May 14

downfader says...

geoff51 wrote:
As Fawley is just on the edge of the New forest and any Deposits worth exploiting would be nearby it is the obvious choice for at least test fracking.
When the Greens have got us all back in caves lighting our way with animal fat lamps will they be happy? because we wont be!
You'd love it Jeffy... all those loin cloths..
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As Fawley is just on the edge of the New forest and any Deposits worth exploiting would be nearby it is the obvious choice for at least test fracking. When the Greens have got us all back in caves lighting our way with animal fat lamps will they be happy? because we wont be![/p][/quote]You'd love it Jeffy... all those loin cloths.. downfader
  • Score: -6

4:46pm Fri 16 May 14

downfader says...

Mary80 wrote:
downfader wrote:
You know, with the vociferous complaints that it should go ahead in the South all week in The Sun and co I can well imagine the New Forest cannot really complain "leave us out!"

Why should they get special exemption if this fuel is "drastically needed and vital the economy" paraphrased from Lord Brown.
Yes who cares about the animals and the rare plants that can cure disease, yeah lets just trash a world famous landmark that brings in money. who gives a **** huh....*Face palm*
I'm deeply against fracking, but it will happen. Everyone seems to think we could become a mass exporter and this could make the company some serious money....

..however the truth is probably that a few select people will make money, a few seals will burst and water contamination will occur. Add in the extra haulage traffic, the noise, the loss of water below the water table and below rock...

It is destined to happen in other beauty spots, the New Forest will fall in line as the money starts to flow.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: You know, with the vociferous complaints that it should go ahead in the South all week in The Sun and co I can well imagine the New Forest cannot really complain "leave us out!" Why should they get special exemption if this fuel is "drastically needed and vital the economy" paraphrased from Lord Brown.[/p][/quote]Yes who cares about the animals and the rare plants that can cure disease, yeah lets just trash a world famous landmark that brings in money. who gives a **** huh....*Face palm*[/p][/quote]I'm deeply against fracking, but it will happen. Everyone seems to think we could become a mass exporter and this could make the company some serious money.... ..however the truth is probably that a few select people will make money, a few seals will burst and water contamination will occur. Add in the extra haulage traffic, the noise, the loss of water below the water table and below rock... It is destined to happen in other beauty spots, the New Forest will fall in line as the money starts to flow. downfader
  • Score: -4

4:48pm Fri 16 May 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.
There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel.

Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.[/p][/quote]There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel. Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives southy
  • Score: 1

4:57pm Fri 16 May 14

Zexagon says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.
There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel.

Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives
I'm not sure tanners brook would be up to it
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.[/p][/quote]There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel. Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives[/p][/quote]I'm not sure tanners brook would be up to it Zexagon
  • Score: 0

5:01pm Fri 16 May 14

From the sidelines says...

The New Forest is a perfect place for fracking.

- Well served by roads.
- Sparsely populated.
- Undulating terrain allows hiding plant in dips, surrounded by trees.
- Plenty of water available.
- Already, apparently, a working forest, so this is just another trade.
- Less beautiful or interesting than the Lake District, Peak District, Wales, Scotland, much of the Midlands.

It's just a bunch of scrub and some horses; it might as well be used profitably.
The New Forest is a perfect place for fracking. - Well served by roads. - Sparsely populated. - Undulating terrain allows hiding plant in dips, surrounded by trees. - Plenty of water available. - Already, apparently, a working forest, so this is just another trade. - Less beautiful or interesting than the Lake District, Peak District, Wales, Scotland, much of the Midlands. It's just a bunch of scrub and some horses; it might as well be used profitably. From the sidelines
  • Score: -8

5:13pm Fri 16 May 14

hantslass says...

fracking wont do us any good at all, if for some reason we could get cheaper fuel from fracking then why dont a british company do it and our government control price rises.. again it will be a foreign company ruling the roost so to speak i say NO to fracking other countries have refused to do it so why again are we a gold mine to other countries
fracking wont do us any good at all, if for some reason we could get cheaper fuel from fracking then why dont a british company do it and our government control price rises.. again it will be a foreign company ruling the roost so to speak i say NO to fracking other countries have refused to do it so why again are we a gold mine to other countries hantslass
  • Score: 6

5:29pm Fri 16 May 14

geoff51 says...

downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
As Fawley is just on the edge of the New forest and any Deposits worth exploiting would be nearby it is the obvious choice for at least test fracking.
When the Greens have got us all back in caves lighting our way with animal fat lamps will they be happy? because we wont be!
You'd love it Jeffy... all those loin cloths..
Why do you take the pee even when I am trying to be sensible?
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As Fawley is just on the edge of the New forest and any Deposits worth exploiting would be nearby it is the obvious choice for at least test fracking. When the Greens have got us all back in caves lighting our way with animal fat lamps will they be happy? because we wont be![/p][/quote]You'd love it Jeffy... all those loin cloths..[/p][/quote]Why do you take the pee even when I am trying to be sensible? geoff51
  • Score: 0

5:31pm Fri 16 May 14

southy says...

Zexagon wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.
There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel.

Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives
I'm not sure tanners brook would be up to it
Tanners brook could be used as a test bed.
[quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.[/p][/quote]There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel. Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives[/p][/quote]I'm not sure tanners brook would be up to it[/p][/quote]Tanners brook could be used as a test bed. southy
  • Score: -7

6:44pm Fri 16 May 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.
There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel.

Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives
Perhaps you ought to correct the Global Sustainability Institute that only today issued a report outlining the fragility of the UK power sources. Coal, gas and oil have all but run out leaving the country at the mercy of suppliers in Russia and Qatar. OPEC are welcoming the end of the economic downturn which leaves them in a position to begin to increase prices and the UK has nothing left in it's arsenal to fight back. NIMBY lobby's block everything anywhere and you want to open up the old coal fields to produce town gas when the coal was sulphur rich and there isn't a gasworks left in the country. Do you think people will embrace new gasworks with all of the smell and noise when they argue against everything else that's suggested to provide heat and light for their selfish souls? The EU has been the final nail in the coffin of the oil fired power stations leaving nothing to replace them. Spare capacity is below 5% and anything more than a minor problem will see areas of the country without power and not even a windmill to take up the slack thanks to the NIMBY groups dotted around the country. There will be pain before progress.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.[/p][/quote]There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel. Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives[/p][/quote]Perhaps you ought to correct the Global Sustainability Institute that only today issued a report outlining the fragility of the UK power sources. Coal, gas and oil have all but run out leaving the country at the mercy of suppliers in Russia and Qatar. OPEC are welcoming the end of the economic downturn which leaves them in a position to begin to increase prices and the UK has nothing left in it's arsenal to fight back. NIMBY lobby's block everything anywhere and you want to open up the old coal fields to produce town gas when the coal was sulphur rich and there isn't a gasworks left in the country. Do you think people will embrace new gasworks with all of the smell and noise when they argue against everything else that's suggested to provide heat and light for their selfish souls? The EU has been the final nail in the coffin of the oil fired power stations leaving nothing to replace them. Spare capacity is below 5% and anything more than a minor problem will see areas of the country without power and not even a windmill to take up the slack thanks to the NIMBY groups dotted around the country. There will be pain before progress. Torchie1
  • Score: -1

7:32pm Fri 16 May 14

Torchie1 says...

downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
As Fawley is just on the edge of the New forest and any Deposits worth exploiting would be nearby it is the obvious choice for at least test fracking.
When the Greens have got us all back in caves lighting our way with animal fat lamps will they be happy? because we wont be!
You'd love it Jeffy... all those loin cloths..
As someone who's hobby involves chasing other men in skin tight lycra, I think you are a little exposed with your reply.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As Fawley is just on the edge of the New forest and any Deposits worth exploiting would be nearby it is the obvious choice for at least test fracking. When the Greens have got us all back in caves lighting our way with animal fat lamps will they be happy? because we wont be![/p][/quote]You'd love it Jeffy... all those loin cloths..[/p][/quote]As someone who's hobby involves chasing other men in skin tight lycra, I think you are a little exposed with your reply. Torchie1
  • Score: 1

8:15pm Fri 16 May 14

geoff51 says...

Torchie1 wrote:
downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
As Fawley is just on the edge of the New forest and any Deposits worth exploiting would be nearby it is the obvious choice for at least test fracking.
When the Greens have got us all back in caves lighting our way with animal fat lamps will they be happy? because we wont be!
You'd love it Jeffy... all those loin cloths..
As someone who's hobby involves chasing other men in skin tight lycra, I think you are a little exposed with your reply.
Exactly!
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As Fawley is just on the edge of the New forest and any Deposits worth exploiting would be nearby it is the obvious choice for at least test fracking. When the Greens have got us all back in caves lighting our way with animal fat lamps will they be happy? because we wont be![/p][/quote]You'd love it Jeffy... all those loin cloths..[/p][/quote]As someone who's hobby involves chasing other men in skin tight lycra, I think you are a little exposed with your reply.[/p][/quote]Exactly! geoff51
  • Score: -2

8:33pm Fri 16 May 14

downfader says...

geoff51 wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
As Fawley is just on the edge of the New forest and any Deposits worth exploiting would be nearby it is the obvious choice for at least test fracking.
When the Greens have got us all back in caves lighting our way with animal fat lamps will they be happy? because we wont be!
You'd love it Jeffy... all those loin cloths..
As someone who's hobby involves chasing other men in skin tight lycra, I think you are a little exposed with your reply.
Exactly!
Well no, not really. I'm perfectly happy with my sexuality, I do find it odd how you keep questioning mine with some latent sense of curiosity.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As Fawley is just on the edge of the New forest and any Deposits worth exploiting would be nearby it is the obvious choice for at least test fracking. When the Greens have got us all back in caves lighting our way with animal fat lamps will they be happy? because we wont be![/p][/quote]You'd love it Jeffy... all those loin cloths..[/p][/quote]As someone who's hobby involves chasing other men in skin tight lycra, I think you are a little exposed with your reply.[/p][/quote]Exactly![/p][/quote]Well no, not really. I'm perfectly happy with my sexuality, I do find it odd how you keep questioning mine with some latent sense of curiosity. downfader
  • Score: 0

9:34pm Fri 16 May 14

geoff51 says...

downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
As Fawley is just on the edge of the New forest and any Deposits worth exploiting would be nearby it is the obvious choice for at least test fracking.
When the Greens have got us all back in caves lighting our way with animal fat lamps will they be happy? because we wont be!
You'd love it Jeffy... all those loin cloths..
As someone who's hobby involves chasing other men in skin tight lycra, I think you are a little exposed with your reply.
Exactly!
Well no, not really. I'm perfectly happy with my sexuality, I do find it odd how you keep questioning mine with some latent sense of curiosity.
I couldnt come second to the orgasmic feeling you get from your bike, i would have to decline your offer!
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As Fawley is just on the edge of the New forest and any Deposits worth exploiting would be nearby it is the obvious choice for at least test fracking. When the Greens have got us all back in caves lighting our way with animal fat lamps will they be happy? because we wont be![/p][/quote]You'd love it Jeffy... all those loin cloths..[/p][/quote]As someone who's hobby involves chasing other men in skin tight lycra, I think you are a little exposed with your reply.[/p][/quote]Exactly![/p][/quote]Well no, not really. I'm perfectly happy with my sexuality, I do find it odd how you keep questioning mine with some latent sense of curiosity.[/p][/quote]I couldnt come second to the orgasmic feeling you get from your bike, i would have to decline your offer! geoff51
  • Score: 3

11:46pm Fri 16 May 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.
There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel.

Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives
Perhaps you ought to correct the Global Sustainability Institute that only today issued a report outlining the fragility of the UK power sources. Coal, gas and oil have all but run out leaving the country at the mercy of suppliers in Russia and Qatar. OPEC are welcoming the end of the economic downturn which leaves them in a position to begin to increase prices and the UK has nothing left in it's arsenal to fight back. NIMBY lobby's block everything anywhere and you want to open up the old coal fields to produce town gas when the coal was sulphur rich and there isn't a gasworks left in the country. Do you think people will embrace new gasworks with all of the smell and noise when they argue against everything else that's suggested to provide heat and light for their selfish souls? The EU has been the final nail in the coffin of the oil fired power stations leaving nothing to replace them. Spare capacity is below 5% and anything more than a minor problem will see areas of the country without power and not even a windmill to take up the slack thanks to the NIMBY groups dotted around the country. There will be pain before progress.
None as run out, try rereading what they said, they said that Oil as peak, which means they are at the maxim out put levels but demands levels are greater than the out put, UK coal we have over 400 years of coal stock in the ground waiting for it to be dug up.
You don't need to build them in towns any more, and if you got a smell of sulphur then your letting a useful chemical to escape, modern technology,s to get the job done, Your get more backing from using coal than you would for Nuclear or Fracking.
Here is the real reason why those powers to be what to keep us in short supply they do not want to create the jobs that would put money and power into the common person on the streets
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.[/p][/quote]There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel. Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives[/p][/quote]Perhaps you ought to correct the Global Sustainability Institute that only today issued a report outlining the fragility of the UK power sources. Coal, gas and oil have all but run out leaving the country at the mercy of suppliers in Russia and Qatar. OPEC are welcoming the end of the economic downturn which leaves them in a position to begin to increase prices and the UK has nothing left in it's arsenal to fight back. NIMBY lobby's block everything anywhere and you want to open up the old coal fields to produce town gas when the coal was sulphur rich and there isn't a gasworks left in the country. Do you think people will embrace new gasworks with all of the smell and noise when they argue against everything else that's suggested to provide heat and light for their selfish souls? The EU has been the final nail in the coffin of the oil fired power stations leaving nothing to replace them. Spare capacity is below 5% and anything more than a minor problem will see areas of the country without power and not even a windmill to take up the slack thanks to the NIMBY groups dotted around the country. There will be pain before progress.[/p][/quote]None as run out, try rereading what they said, they said that Oil as peak, which means they are at the maxim out put levels but demands levels are greater than the out put, UK coal we have over 400 years of coal stock in the ground waiting for it to be dug up. You don't need to build them in towns any more, and if you got a smell of sulphur then your letting a useful chemical to escape, modern technology,s to get the job done, Your get more backing from using coal than you would for Nuclear or Fracking. Here is the real reason why those powers to be what to keep us in short supply they do not want to create the jobs that would put money and power into the common person on the streets southy
  • Score: -3

12:29am Sat 17 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NOBODY TAKES ME SERIOUSLY!!!!
I told you, you would be better off campaigning against fracking in the forest rather than a bike event that only lasts 2 days but everyone who speaks against me all said "Fracking won't happen in the forest"... Well guess fracking what, it's fracking HAPPENING.
AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NOBODY TAKES ME SERIOUSLY!!!! I told you, you would be better off campaigning against fracking in the forest rather than a bike event that only lasts 2 days but everyone who speaks against me all said "Fracking won't happen in the forest"... Well guess fracking what, it's fracking HAPPENING. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -3

12:54am Sat 17 May 14

southy says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NOBODY TAKES ME SERIOUSLY!!!!
I told you, you would be better off campaigning against fracking in the forest rather than a bike event that only lasts 2 days but everyone who speaks against me all said "Fracking won't happen in the forest"... Well guess fracking what, it's fracking HAPPENING.
I am more worried the damage fracking will do to the ground water tables our tap water, its been said for over ten years now that water will become the new oil and every where around the world where fracking as taken place the ground water tables have been contaminated in the USA it is the worse cases you can find, there if the water table becomes contaminated the area can go as much as 200 miles from the fracking rig, here in England it will be less of an area more likely be down to around 10 miles, but being a small country the damage would be more greater as with in that 10 miles there could be as many as 4 wells pumping stations to supply drinking water
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NOBODY TAKES ME SERIOUSLY!!!! I told you, you would be better off campaigning against fracking in the forest rather than a bike event that only lasts 2 days but everyone who speaks against me all said "Fracking won't happen in the forest"... Well guess fracking what, it's fracking HAPPENING.[/p][/quote]I am more worried the damage fracking will do to the ground water tables our tap water, its been said for over ten years now that water will become the new oil and every where around the world where fracking as taken place the ground water tables have been contaminated in the USA it is the worse cases you can find, there if the water table becomes contaminated the area can go as much as 200 miles from the fracking rig, here in England it will be less of an area more likely be down to around 10 miles, but being a small country the damage would be more greater as with in that 10 miles there could be as many as 4 wells pumping stations to supply drinking water southy
  • Score: 1

1:10am Sat 17 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

southy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NOBODY TAKES ME SERIOUSLY!!!!
I told you, you would be better off campaigning against fracking in the forest rather than a bike event that only lasts 2 days but everyone who speaks against me all said "Fracking won't happen in the forest"... Well guess fracking what, it's fracking HAPPENING.
I am more worried the damage fracking will do to the ground water tables our tap water, its been said for over ten years now that water will become the new oil and every where around the world where fracking as taken place the ground water tables have been contaminated in the USA it is the worse cases you can find, there if the water table becomes contaminated the area can go as much as 200 miles from the fracking rig, here in England it will be less of an area more likely be down to around 10 miles, but being a small country the damage would be more greater as with in that 10 miles there could be as many as 4 wells pumping stations to supply drinking water
The wessex aquifer stretches across the whole of hampshire, it's also what feeds all of the rivers in hampshire, including the Avon, Itchen and Test, contaminate the wessex aquifer and you kill several rivers at the same time.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NOBODY TAKES ME SERIOUSLY!!!! I told you, you would be better off campaigning against fracking in the forest rather than a bike event that only lasts 2 days but everyone who speaks against me all said "Fracking won't happen in the forest"... Well guess fracking what, it's fracking HAPPENING.[/p][/quote]I am more worried the damage fracking will do to the ground water tables our tap water, its been said for over ten years now that water will become the new oil and every where around the world where fracking as taken place the ground water tables have been contaminated in the USA it is the worse cases you can find, there if the water table becomes contaminated the area can go as much as 200 miles from the fracking rig, here in England it will be less of an area more likely be down to around 10 miles, but being a small country the damage would be more greater as with in that 10 miles there could be as many as 4 wells pumping stations to supply drinking water[/p][/quote]The wessex aquifer stretches across the whole of hampshire, it's also what feeds all of the rivers in hampshire, including the Avon, Itchen and Test, contaminate the wessex aquifer and you kill several rivers at the same time. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 2

7:36am Sat 17 May 14

chimneysweep 1234 says...

What no way no chance ....ill be in front of the first jcb ..im horafied at this prospect of fracking in the beautifull new forest such outstanding beauty
What no way no chance ....ill be in front of the first jcb ..im horafied at this prospect of fracking in the beautifull new forest such outstanding beauty chimneysweep 1234
  • Score: 5

7:43am Sat 17 May 14

imspacedout says...

I'm sorry but this is going to be a disaster if it goes ahead! I love the new forest which has been preserved ever since kept aside for hunting and it has now evolved even further since that has stopped into one of very few places of natural beauty left in the UK with rare plants, much more animals than just ponies and deer when including insects! And also home to the Adder. Anyway, first of all the drilling from fracking will go deep under the forest floor and crack rock like skulls hit by police batons; ancient tree roots will be damaged and split apart as if pieces of hair snipped off someone's head with scissors: no longer will they have their intimate connection deep within the earth, reading its signals and any which die will no longer breathe refreshing air into the atmosphere. Futhermore, millions of gallons of water are bought in and used for the process while the world is facing a freshwater shortage and at least a billion are without safe supplies and may have to choose between using a small dirty bit for either cooking, cleaning, drinking or sanitation and children die of diseases picked up from drinking out of rivers that people also leave excrement in! This is real people, and urgent. Fracking will leave toxic chemicals which are also known carcinogens (Cancer causing substances) in the new forest lakes and rivers passing through, and these will not be going anywhere within our or your grand-childrens lifetime the chemicals will stick around polluting and poisoning the environment including any animals within the water who may end up deformed and such, not to mention any chemicals they take in will then work their way up the food chain if a person is to eat fish from there or if the fish make their way into the ocean the chemicals could spread. This toxic waste will no biodegrade (break down and disappear into the earth) - so what is my solution? Hemp. Right now. Because even if this fracking goes ahead then it will leave the forest in ruin without even being something that can work again and we will need new idea anyway. This is shortsighted, while hemp is long-term. The hemp plant is just one way to get biomass energy and also fuel either biodiesel or ethanol. Throughout growth hemp actually improves the soils vibration; it's good for the life within it; it uses little freshwater (10x less than cotton) and is a renewable resource. It requires no herbicides or pesticides and therefore keeps water clean. With hemp alongside other renewables like wind and solar we can delay the process of needing to frack or possibly avoid it because we can find even better / healthier ways to continue to work alongside the hemp for energy needs. Please leave the New Forest alone. If anyone can tell me when a protest of some kind is taking place or would like to arrange one please let me know!
I'm sorry but this is going to be a disaster if it goes ahead! I love the new forest which has been preserved ever since kept aside for hunting and it has now evolved even further since that has stopped into one of very few places of natural beauty left in the UK with rare plants, much more animals than just ponies and deer when including insects! And also home to the Adder. Anyway, first of all the drilling from fracking will go deep under the forest floor and crack rock like skulls hit by police batons; ancient tree roots will be damaged and split apart as if pieces of hair snipped off someone's head with scissors: no longer will they have their intimate connection deep within the earth, reading its signals and any which die will no longer breathe refreshing air into the atmosphere. Futhermore, millions of gallons of water are bought in and used for the process while the world is facing a freshwater shortage and at least a billion are without safe supplies and may have to choose between using a small dirty bit for either cooking, cleaning, drinking or sanitation and children die of diseases picked up from drinking out of rivers that people also leave excrement in! This is real people, and urgent. Fracking will leave toxic chemicals which are also known carcinogens (Cancer causing substances) in the new forest lakes and rivers passing through, and these will not be going anywhere within our or your grand-childrens lifetime the chemicals will stick around polluting and poisoning the environment including any animals within the water who may end up deformed and such, not to mention any chemicals they take in will then work their way up the food chain if a person is to eat fish from there or if the fish make their way into the ocean the chemicals could spread. This toxic waste will no biodegrade (break down and disappear into the earth) - so what is my solution? Hemp. Right now. Because even if this fracking goes ahead then it will leave the forest in ruin without even being something that can work again and we will need new idea anyway. This is shortsighted, while hemp is long-term. The hemp plant is just one way to get biomass energy and also fuel either biodiesel or ethanol. Throughout growth hemp actually improves the soils vibration; it's good for the life within it; it uses little freshwater (10x less than cotton) and is a renewable resource. It requires no herbicides or pesticides and therefore keeps water clean. With hemp alongside other renewables like wind and solar we can delay the process of needing to frack or possibly avoid it because we can find even better / healthier ways to continue to work alongside the hemp for energy needs. Please leave the New Forest alone. If anyone can tell me when a protest of some kind is taking place or would like to arrange one please let me know! imspacedout
  • Score: 1

8:34am Sat 17 May 14

southamptonadi says...

Funny thing is, in that article nowhere does it say it's going to happen or they are even thinking about it.

Your all getting worked up on a speculative article. There's a fresh round of licensing that's all that's happened.
Funny thing is, in that article nowhere does it say it's going to happen or they are even thinking about it. Your all getting worked up on a speculative article. There's a fresh round of licensing that's all that's happened. southamptonadi
  • Score: 0

8:35am Sat 17 May 14

southamptonadi says...

imspacedout wrote:
I'm sorry but this is going to be a disaster if it goes ahead! I love the new forest which has been preserved ever since kept aside for hunting and it has now evolved even further since that has stopped into one of very few places of natural beauty left in the UK with rare plants, much more animals than just ponies and deer when including insects! And also home to the Adder. Anyway, first of all the drilling from fracking will go deep under the forest floor and crack rock like skulls hit by police batons; ancient tree roots will be damaged and split apart as if pieces of hair snipped off someone's head with scissors: no longer will they have their intimate connection deep within the earth, reading its signals and any which die will no longer breathe refreshing air into the atmosphere. Futhermore, millions of gallons of water are bought in and used for the process while the world is facing a freshwater shortage and at least a billion are without safe supplies and may have to choose between using a small dirty bit for either cooking, cleaning, drinking or sanitation and children die of diseases picked up from drinking out of rivers that people also leave excrement in! This is real people, and urgent. Fracking will leave toxic chemicals which are also known carcinogens (Cancer causing substances) in the new forest lakes and rivers passing through, and these will not be going anywhere within our or your grand-childrens lifetime the chemicals will stick around polluting and poisoning the environment including any animals within the water who may end up deformed and such, not to mention any chemicals they take in will then work their way up the food chain if a person is to eat fish from there or if the fish make their way into the ocean the chemicals could spread. This toxic waste will no biodegrade (break down and disappear into the earth) - so what is my solution? Hemp. Right now. Because even if this fracking goes ahead then it will leave the forest in ruin without even being something that can work again and we will need new idea anyway. This is shortsighted, while hemp is long-term. The hemp plant is just one way to get biomass energy and also fuel either biodiesel or ethanol. Throughout growth hemp actually improves the soils vibration; it's good for the life within it; it uses little freshwater (10x less than cotton) and is a renewable resource. It requires no herbicides or pesticides and therefore keeps water clean. With hemp alongside other renewables like wind and solar we can delay the process of needing to frack or possibly avoid it because we can find even better / healthier ways to continue to work alongside the hemp for energy needs. Please leave the New Forest alone. If anyone can tell me when a protest of some kind is taking place or would like to arrange one please let me know!
But they don't want biomass in our back yard either
[quote][p][bold]imspacedout[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry but this is going to be a disaster if it goes ahead! I love the new forest which has been preserved ever since kept aside for hunting and it has now evolved even further since that has stopped into one of very few places of natural beauty left in the UK with rare plants, much more animals than just ponies and deer when including insects! And also home to the Adder. Anyway, first of all the drilling from fracking will go deep under the forest floor and crack rock like skulls hit by police batons; ancient tree roots will be damaged and split apart as if pieces of hair snipped off someone's head with scissors: no longer will they have their intimate connection deep within the earth, reading its signals and any which die will no longer breathe refreshing air into the atmosphere. Futhermore, millions of gallons of water are bought in and used for the process while the world is facing a freshwater shortage and at least a billion are without safe supplies and may have to choose between using a small dirty bit for either cooking, cleaning, drinking or sanitation and children die of diseases picked up from drinking out of rivers that people also leave excrement in! This is real people, and urgent. Fracking will leave toxic chemicals which are also known carcinogens (Cancer causing substances) in the new forest lakes and rivers passing through, and these will not be going anywhere within our or your grand-childrens lifetime the chemicals will stick around polluting and poisoning the environment including any animals within the water who may end up deformed and such, not to mention any chemicals they take in will then work their way up the food chain if a person is to eat fish from there or if the fish make their way into the ocean the chemicals could spread. This toxic waste will no biodegrade (break down and disappear into the earth) - so what is my solution? Hemp. Right now. Because even if this fracking goes ahead then it will leave the forest in ruin without even being something that can work again and we will need new idea anyway. This is shortsighted, while hemp is long-term. The hemp plant is just one way to get biomass energy and also fuel either biodiesel or ethanol. Throughout growth hemp actually improves the soils vibration; it's good for the life within it; it uses little freshwater (10x less than cotton) and is a renewable resource. It requires no herbicides or pesticides and therefore keeps water clean. With hemp alongside other renewables like wind and solar we can delay the process of needing to frack or possibly avoid it because we can find even better / healthier ways to continue to work alongside the hemp for energy needs. Please leave the New Forest alone. If anyone can tell me when a protest of some kind is taking place or would like to arrange one please let me know![/p][/quote]But they don't want biomass in our back yard either southamptonadi
  • Score: -1

8:35am Sat 17 May 14

southamptonadi says...

imspacedout wrote:
I'm sorry but this is going to be a disaster if it goes ahead! I love the new forest which has been preserved ever since kept aside for hunting and it has now evolved even further since that has stopped into one of very few places of natural beauty left in the UK with rare plants, much more animals than just ponies and deer when including insects! And also home to the Adder. Anyway, first of all the drilling from fracking will go deep under the forest floor and crack rock like skulls hit by police batons; ancient tree roots will be damaged and split apart as if pieces of hair snipped off someone's head with scissors: no longer will they have their intimate connection deep within the earth, reading its signals and any which die will no longer breathe refreshing air into the atmosphere. Futhermore, millions of gallons of water are bought in and used for the process while the world is facing a freshwater shortage and at least a billion are without safe supplies and may have to choose between using a small dirty bit for either cooking, cleaning, drinking or sanitation and children die of diseases picked up from drinking out of rivers that people also leave excrement in! This is real people, and urgent. Fracking will leave toxic chemicals which are also known carcinogens (Cancer causing substances) in the new forest lakes and rivers passing through, and these will not be going anywhere within our or your grand-childrens lifetime the chemicals will stick around polluting and poisoning the environment including any animals within the water who may end up deformed and such, not to mention any chemicals they take in will then work their way up the food chain if a person is to eat fish from there or if the fish make their way into the ocean the chemicals could spread. This toxic waste will no biodegrade (break down and disappear into the earth) - so what is my solution? Hemp. Right now. Because even if this fracking goes ahead then it will leave the forest in ruin without even being something that can work again and we will need new idea anyway. This is shortsighted, while hemp is long-term. The hemp plant is just one way to get biomass energy and also fuel either biodiesel or ethanol. Throughout growth hemp actually improves the soils vibration; it's good for the life within it; it uses little freshwater (10x less than cotton) and is a renewable resource. It requires no herbicides or pesticides and therefore keeps water clean. With hemp alongside other renewables like wind and solar we can delay the process of needing to frack or possibly avoid it because we can find even better / healthier ways to continue to work alongside the hemp for energy needs. Please leave the New Forest alone. If anyone can tell me when a protest of some kind is taking place or would like to arrange one please let me know!
But they don't want biomass in our back yard either
[quote][p][bold]imspacedout[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry but this is going to be a disaster if it goes ahead! I love the new forest which has been preserved ever since kept aside for hunting and it has now evolved even further since that has stopped into one of very few places of natural beauty left in the UK with rare plants, much more animals than just ponies and deer when including insects! And also home to the Adder. Anyway, first of all the drilling from fracking will go deep under the forest floor and crack rock like skulls hit by police batons; ancient tree roots will be damaged and split apart as if pieces of hair snipped off someone's head with scissors: no longer will they have their intimate connection deep within the earth, reading its signals and any which die will no longer breathe refreshing air into the atmosphere. Futhermore, millions of gallons of water are bought in and used for the process while the world is facing a freshwater shortage and at least a billion are without safe supplies and may have to choose between using a small dirty bit for either cooking, cleaning, drinking or sanitation and children die of diseases picked up from drinking out of rivers that people also leave excrement in! This is real people, and urgent. Fracking will leave toxic chemicals which are also known carcinogens (Cancer causing substances) in the new forest lakes and rivers passing through, and these will not be going anywhere within our or your grand-childrens lifetime the chemicals will stick around polluting and poisoning the environment including any animals within the water who may end up deformed and such, not to mention any chemicals they take in will then work their way up the food chain if a person is to eat fish from there or if the fish make their way into the ocean the chemicals could spread. This toxic waste will no biodegrade (break down and disappear into the earth) - so what is my solution? Hemp. Right now. Because even if this fracking goes ahead then it will leave the forest in ruin without even being something that can work again and we will need new idea anyway. This is shortsighted, while hemp is long-term. The hemp plant is just one way to get biomass energy and also fuel either biodiesel or ethanol. Throughout growth hemp actually improves the soils vibration; it's good for the life within it; it uses little freshwater (10x less than cotton) and is a renewable resource. It requires no herbicides or pesticides and therefore keeps water clean. With hemp alongside other renewables like wind and solar we can delay the process of needing to frack or possibly avoid it because we can find even better / healthier ways to continue to work alongside the hemp for energy needs. Please leave the New Forest alone. If anyone can tell me when a protest of some kind is taking place or would like to arrange one please let me know![/p][/quote]But they don't want biomass in our back yard either southamptonadi
  • Score: -1

8:35am Sat 17 May 14

southamptonadi says...

imspacedout wrote:
I'm sorry but this is going to be a disaster if it goes ahead! I love the new forest which has been preserved ever since kept aside for hunting and it has now evolved even further since that has stopped into one of very few places of natural beauty left in the UK with rare plants, much more animals than just ponies and deer when including insects! And also home to the Adder. Anyway, first of all the drilling from fracking will go deep under the forest floor and crack rock like skulls hit by police batons; ancient tree roots will be damaged and split apart as if pieces of hair snipped off someone's head with scissors: no longer will they have their intimate connection deep within the earth, reading its signals and any which die will no longer breathe refreshing air into the atmosphere. Futhermore, millions of gallons of water are bought in and used for the process while the world is facing a freshwater shortage and at least a billion are without safe supplies and may have to choose between using a small dirty bit for either cooking, cleaning, drinking or sanitation and children die of diseases picked up from drinking out of rivers that people also leave excrement in! This is real people, and urgent. Fracking will leave toxic chemicals which are also known carcinogens (Cancer causing substances) in the new forest lakes and rivers passing through, and these will not be going anywhere within our or your grand-childrens lifetime the chemicals will stick around polluting and poisoning the environment including any animals within the water who may end up deformed and such, not to mention any chemicals they take in will then work their way up the food chain if a person is to eat fish from there or if the fish make their way into the ocean the chemicals could spread. This toxic waste will no biodegrade (break down and disappear into the earth) - so what is my solution? Hemp. Right now. Because even if this fracking goes ahead then it will leave the forest in ruin without even being something that can work again and we will need new idea anyway. This is shortsighted, while hemp is long-term. The hemp plant is just one way to get biomass energy and also fuel either biodiesel or ethanol. Throughout growth hemp actually improves the soils vibration; it's good for the life within it; it uses little freshwater (10x less than cotton) and is a renewable resource. It requires no herbicides or pesticides and therefore keeps water clean. With hemp alongside other renewables like wind and solar we can delay the process of needing to frack or possibly avoid it because we can find even better / healthier ways to continue to work alongside the hemp for energy needs. Please leave the New Forest alone. If anyone can tell me when a protest of some kind is taking place or would like to arrange one please let me know!
But they don't want biomass in our back yard either
[quote][p][bold]imspacedout[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry but this is going to be a disaster if it goes ahead! I love the new forest which has been preserved ever since kept aside for hunting and it has now evolved even further since that has stopped into one of very few places of natural beauty left in the UK with rare plants, much more animals than just ponies and deer when including insects! And also home to the Adder. Anyway, first of all the drilling from fracking will go deep under the forest floor and crack rock like skulls hit by police batons; ancient tree roots will be damaged and split apart as if pieces of hair snipped off someone's head with scissors: no longer will they have their intimate connection deep within the earth, reading its signals and any which die will no longer breathe refreshing air into the atmosphere. Futhermore, millions of gallons of water are bought in and used for the process while the world is facing a freshwater shortage and at least a billion are without safe supplies and may have to choose between using a small dirty bit for either cooking, cleaning, drinking or sanitation and children die of diseases picked up from drinking out of rivers that people also leave excrement in! This is real people, and urgent. Fracking will leave toxic chemicals which are also known carcinogens (Cancer causing substances) in the new forest lakes and rivers passing through, and these will not be going anywhere within our or your grand-childrens lifetime the chemicals will stick around polluting and poisoning the environment including any animals within the water who may end up deformed and such, not to mention any chemicals they take in will then work their way up the food chain if a person is to eat fish from there or if the fish make their way into the ocean the chemicals could spread. This toxic waste will no biodegrade (break down and disappear into the earth) - so what is my solution? Hemp. Right now. Because even if this fracking goes ahead then it will leave the forest in ruin without even being something that can work again and we will need new idea anyway. This is shortsighted, while hemp is long-term. The hemp plant is just one way to get biomass energy and also fuel either biodiesel or ethanol. Throughout growth hemp actually improves the soils vibration; it's good for the life within it; it uses little freshwater (10x less than cotton) and is a renewable resource. It requires no herbicides or pesticides and therefore keeps water clean. With hemp alongside other renewables like wind and solar we can delay the process of needing to frack or possibly avoid it because we can find even better / healthier ways to continue to work alongside the hemp for energy needs. Please leave the New Forest alone. If anyone can tell me when a protest of some kind is taking place or would like to arrange one please let me know![/p][/quote]But they don't want biomass in our back yard either southamptonadi
  • Score: 0

9:04am Sat 17 May 14

imspacedout says...

southamptonadi wrote:
imspacedout wrote:
I'm sorry but this is going to be a disaster if it goes ahead! I love the new forest which has been preserved ever since kept aside for hunting and it has now evolved even further since that has stopped into one of very few places of natural beauty left in the UK with rare plants, much more animals than just ponies and deer when including insects! And also home to the Adder. Anyway, first of all the drilling from fracking will go deep under the forest floor and crack rock like skulls hit by police batons; ancient tree roots will be damaged and split apart as if pieces of hair snipped off someone's head with scissors: no longer will they have their intimate connection deep within the earth, reading its signals and any which die will no longer breathe refreshing air into the atmosphere. Futhermore, millions of gallons of water are bought in and used for the process while the world is facing a freshwater shortage and at least a billion are without safe supplies and may have to choose between using a small dirty bit for either cooking, cleaning, drinking or sanitation and children die of diseases picked up from drinking out of rivers that people also leave excrement in! This is real people, and urgent. Fracking will leave toxic chemicals which are also known carcinogens (Cancer causing substances) in the new forest lakes and rivers passing through, and these will not be going anywhere within our or your grand-childrens lifetime the chemicals will stick around polluting and poisoning the environment including any animals within the water who may end up deformed and such, not to mention any chemicals they take in will then work their way up the food chain if a person is to eat fish from there or if the fish make their way into the ocean the chemicals could spread. This toxic waste will no biodegrade (break down and disappear into the earth) - so what is my solution? Hemp. Right now. Because even if this fracking goes ahead then it will leave the forest in ruin without even being something that can work again and we will need new idea anyway. This is shortsighted, while hemp is long-term. The hemp plant is just one way to get biomass energy and also fuel either biodiesel or ethanol. Throughout growth hemp actually improves the soils vibration; it's good for the life within it; it uses little freshwater (10x less than cotton) and is a renewable resource. It requires no herbicides or pesticides and therefore keeps water clean. With hemp alongside other renewables like wind and solar we can delay the process of needing to frack or possibly avoid it because we can find even better / healthier ways to continue to work alongside the hemp for energy needs. Please leave the New Forest alone. If anyone can tell me when a protest of some kind is taking place or would like to arrange one please let me know!
But they don't want biomass in our back yard either
Facilities can be placed further away, and temporary until a new solution is found just instead of this option which invades the forest; it's also beneficial because hemp takes back in any co2 during the next growth and it releases oxygen while fossil fuels are unable to. It can also be used for food / clothing and such therefore reducing the need for cotton with the very same crop used for biomass. To be honest I don't mind if that particular method is used, but please leave the New Forest alone.
[quote][p][bold]southamptonadi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imspacedout[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry but this is going to be a disaster if it goes ahead! I love the new forest which has been preserved ever since kept aside for hunting and it has now evolved even further since that has stopped into one of very few places of natural beauty left in the UK with rare plants, much more animals than just ponies and deer when including insects! And also home to the Adder. Anyway, first of all the drilling from fracking will go deep under the forest floor and crack rock like skulls hit by police batons; ancient tree roots will be damaged and split apart as if pieces of hair snipped off someone's head with scissors: no longer will they have their intimate connection deep within the earth, reading its signals and any which die will no longer breathe refreshing air into the atmosphere. Futhermore, millions of gallons of water are bought in and used for the process while the world is facing a freshwater shortage and at least a billion are without safe supplies and may have to choose between using a small dirty bit for either cooking, cleaning, drinking or sanitation and children die of diseases picked up from drinking out of rivers that people also leave excrement in! This is real people, and urgent. Fracking will leave toxic chemicals which are also known carcinogens (Cancer causing substances) in the new forest lakes and rivers passing through, and these will not be going anywhere within our or your grand-childrens lifetime the chemicals will stick around polluting and poisoning the environment including any animals within the water who may end up deformed and such, not to mention any chemicals they take in will then work their way up the food chain if a person is to eat fish from there or if the fish make their way into the ocean the chemicals could spread. This toxic waste will no biodegrade (break down and disappear into the earth) - so what is my solution? Hemp. Right now. Because even if this fracking goes ahead then it will leave the forest in ruin without even being something that can work again and we will need new idea anyway. This is shortsighted, while hemp is long-term. The hemp plant is just one way to get biomass energy and also fuel either biodiesel or ethanol. Throughout growth hemp actually improves the soils vibration; it's good for the life within it; it uses little freshwater (10x less than cotton) and is a renewable resource. It requires no herbicides or pesticides and therefore keeps water clean. With hemp alongside other renewables like wind and solar we can delay the process of needing to frack or possibly avoid it because we can find even better / healthier ways to continue to work alongside the hemp for energy needs. Please leave the New Forest alone. If anyone can tell me when a protest of some kind is taking place or would like to arrange one please let me know![/p][/quote]But they don't want biomass in our back yard either[/p][/quote]Facilities can be placed further away, and temporary until a new solution is found just instead of this option which invades the forest; it's also beneficial because hemp takes back in any co2 during the next growth and it releases oxygen while fossil fuels are unable to. It can also be used for food / clothing and such therefore reducing the need for cotton with the very same crop used for biomass. To be honest I don't mind if that particular method is used, but please leave the New Forest alone. imspacedout
  • Score: 4

9:49am Sat 17 May 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.
There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel.

Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives
Perhaps you ought to correct the Global Sustainability Institute that only today issued a report outlining the fragility of the UK power sources. Coal, gas and oil have all but run out leaving the country at the mercy of suppliers in Russia and Qatar. OPEC are welcoming the end of the economic downturn which leaves them in a position to begin to increase prices and the UK has nothing left in it's arsenal to fight back. NIMBY lobby's block everything anywhere and you want to open up the old coal fields to produce town gas when the coal was sulphur rich and there isn't a gasworks left in the country. Do you think people will embrace new gasworks with all of the smell and noise when they argue against everything else that's suggested to provide heat and light for their selfish souls? The EU has been the final nail in the coffin of the oil fired power stations leaving nothing to replace them. Spare capacity is below 5% and anything more than a minor problem will see areas of the country without power and not even a windmill to take up the slack thanks to the NIMBY groups dotted around the country. There will be pain before progress.
None as run out, try rereading what they said, they said that Oil as peak, which means they are at the maxim out put levels but demands levels are greater than the out put, UK coal we have over 400 years of coal stock in the ground waiting for it to be dug up.
You don't need to build them in towns any more, and if you got a smell of sulphur then your letting a useful chemical to escape, modern technology,s to get the job done, Your get more backing from using coal than you would for Nuclear or Fracking.
Here is the real reason why those powers to be what to keep us in short supply they do not want to create the jobs that would put money and power into the common person on the streets
As usual you only see what you want to see but the report is quite specific. If the UK is self sufficient then why is the gas, oil and coal being imported in such large quantities and why aren't these same resources used to buffer the shortages and price fluctuations of overseas fuel? You want to go back to the 1970s where you feel comfortable but the old coal mines won't reopen while cleaner coal can be brought half way round the world for far less than the domestic product. Only last month the UKs largest remaining coal producer announced that it's facing insolvency because it can no longer compete with imported products, and a large percentage of that is from the US where fracking has forced the price of coal to fall dramatically. Forget coal and your dreams of Town Gas, they died in the last century. Deal with reality and you'll see that every suggested power provision wherever it is gets stonewalled by local NIMBY groups who still expect to drive cars, heat their houses and recharge their mobile phones using a facility that has been built in someone else's back yard. It's going to have to get messy and uncomfortable before enough people accept that the UK is so small that someone, somewhere is always going to be affected if they want to live the comfortable life that they are currently living. Look at the roofs as you travel around and see how many homeowners are using Solar Panels and within the next five to ten years there will be batteries capable of storing enough power so that houses can store excess energy instead of feeding it back in to the grid. Try looking forward for solutions instead of yearning for the historic ones.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.[/p][/quote]There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel. Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives[/p][/quote]Perhaps you ought to correct the Global Sustainability Institute that only today issued a report outlining the fragility of the UK power sources. Coal, gas and oil have all but run out leaving the country at the mercy of suppliers in Russia and Qatar. OPEC are welcoming the end of the economic downturn which leaves them in a position to begin to increase prices and the UK has nothing left in it's arsenal to fight back. NIMBY lobby's block everything anywhere and you want to open up the old coal fields to produce town gas when the coal was sulphur rich and there isn't a gasworks left in the country. Do you think people will embrace new gasworks with all of the smell and noise when they argue against everything else that's suggested to provide heat and light for their selfish souls? The EU has been the final nail in the coffin of the oil fired power stations leaving nothing to replace them. Spare capacity is below 5% and anything more than a minor problem will see areas of the country without power and not even a windmill to take up the slack thanks to the NIMBY groups dotted around the country. There will be pain before progress.[/p][/quote]None as run out, try rereading what they said, they said that Oil as peak, which means they are at the maxim out put levels but demands levels are greater than the out put, UK coal we have over 400 years of coal stock in the ground waiting for it to be dug up. You don't need to build them in towns any more, and if you got a smell of sulphur then your letting a useful chemical to escape, modern technology,s to get the job done, Your get more backing from using coal than you would for Nuclear or Fracking. Here is the real reason why those powers to be what to keep us in short supply they do not want to create the jobs that would put money and power into the common person on the streets[/p][/quote]As usual you only see what you want to see but the report is quite specific. If the UK is self sufficient then why is the gas, oil and coal being imported in such large quantities and why aren't these same resources used to buffer the shortages and price fluctuations of overseas fuel? You want to go back to the 1970s where you feel comfortable but the old coal mines won't reopen while cleaner coal can be brought half way round the world for far less than the domestic product. Only last month the UKs largest remaining coal producer announced that it's facing insolvency because it can no longer compete with imported products, and a large percentage of that is from the US where fracking has forced the price of coal to fall dramatically. Forget coal and your dreams of Town Gas, they died in the last century. Deal with reality and you'll see that every suggested power provision wherever it is gets stonewalled by local NIMBY groups who still expect to drive cars, heat their houses and recharge their mobile phones using a facility that has been built in someone else's back yard. It's going to have to get messy and uncomfortable before enough people accept that the UK is so small that someone, somewhere is always going to be affected if they want to live the comfortable life that they are currently living. Look at the roofs as you travel around and see how many homeowners are using Solar Panels and within the next five to ten years there will be batteries capable of storing enough power so that houses can store excess energy instead of feeding it back in to the grid. Try looking forward for solutions instead of yearning for the historic ones. Torchie1
  • Score: 3

10:27am Sat 17 May 14

southy says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
southy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NOBODY TAKES ME SERIOUSLY!!!!
I told you, you would be better off campaigning against fracking in the forest rather than a bike event that only lasts 2 days but everyone who speaks against me all said "Fracking won't happen in the forest"... Well guess fracking what, it's fracking HAPPENING.
I am more worried the damage fracking will do to the ground water tables our tap water, its been said for over ten years now that water will become the new oil and every where around the world where fracking as taken place the ground water tables have been contaminated in the USA it is the worse cases you can find, there if the water table becomes contaminated the area can go as much as 200 miles from the fracking rig, here in England it will be less of an area more likely be down to around 10 miles, but being a small country the damage would be more greater as with in that 10 miles there could be as many as 4 wells pumping stations to supply drinking water
The wessex aquifer stretches across the whole of hampshire, it's also what feeds all of the rivers in hampshire, including the Avon, Itchen and Test, contaminate the wessex aquifer and you kill several rivers at the same time.
There is a gap not very wide that isolates the Avon Valley, Test valley and Itchen and other minor rivers, but saying that the source of the rivers are close and will depend of what the winter is like if the water tables are connected or not some years they are other years they are not and to contaminate all the rivers from the same bore hole it would need to be high up the rivers and a wet winter
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NOBODY TAKES ME SERIOUSLY!!!! I told you, you would be better off campaigning against fracking in the forest rather than a bike event that only lasts 2 days but everyone who speaks against me all said "Fracking won't happen in the forest"... Well guess fracking what, it's fracking HAPPENING.[/p][/quote]I am more worried the damage fracking will do to the ground water tables our tap water, its been said for over ten years now that water will become the new oil and every where around the world where fracking as taken place the ground water tables have been contaminated in the USA it is the worse cases you can find, there if the water table becomes contaminated the area can go as much as 200 miles from the fracking rig, here in England it will be less of an area more likely be down to around 10 miles, but being a small country the damage would be more greater as with in that 10 miles there could be as many as 4 wells pumping stations to supply drinking water[/p][/quote]The wessex aquifer stretches across the whole of hampshire, it's also what feeds all of the rivers in hampshire, including the Avon, Itchen and Test, contaminate the wessex aquifer and you kill several rivers at the same time.[/p][/quote]There is a gap not very wide that isolates the Avon Valley, Test valley and Itchen and other minor rivers, but saying that the source of the rivers are close and will depend of what the winter is like if the water tables are connected or not some years they are other years they are not and to contaminate all the rivers from the same bore hole it would need to be high up the rivers and a wet winter southy
  • Score: -2

11:12am Sat 17 May 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.
There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel.

Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives
Perhaps you ought to correct the Global Sustainability Institute that only today issued a report outlining the fragility of the UK power sources. Coal, gas and oil have all but run out leaving the country at the mercy of suppliers in Russia and Qatar. OPEC are welcoming the end of the economic downturn which leaves them in a position to begin to increase prices and the UK has nothing left in it's arsenal to fight back. NIMBY lobby's block everything anywhere and you want to open up the old coal fields to produce town gas when the coal was sulphur rich and there isn't a gasworks left in the country. Do you think people will embrace new gasworks with all of the smell and noise when they argue against everything else that's suggested to provide heat and light for their selfish souls? The EU has been the final nail in the coffin of the oil fired power stations leaving nothing to replace them. Spare capacity is below 5% and anything more than a minor problem will see areas of the country without power and not even a windmill to take up the slack thanks to the NIMBY groups dotted around the country. There will be pain before progress.
None as run out, try rereading what they said, they said that Oil as peak, which means they are at the maxim out put levels but demands levels are greater than the out put, UK coal we have over 400 years of coal stock in the ground waiting for it to be dug up.
You don't need to build them in towns any more, and if you got a smell of sulphur then your letting a useful chemical to escape, modern technology,s to get the job done, Your get more backing from using coal than you would for Nuclear or Fracking.
Here is the real reason why those powers to be what to keep us in short supply they do not want to create the jobs that would put money and power into the common person on the streets
As usual you only see what you want to see but the report is quite specific. If the UK is self sufficient then why is the gas, oil and coal being imported in such large quantities and why aren't these same resources used to buffer the shortages and price fluctuations of overseas fuel? You want to go back to the 1970s where you feel comfortable but the old coal mines won't reopen while cleaner coal can be brought half way round the world for far less than the domestic product. Only last month the UKs largest remaining coal producer announced that it's facing insolvency because it can no longer compete with imported products, and a large percentage of that is from the US where fracking has forced the price of coal to fall dramatically. Forget coal and your dreams of Town Gas, they died in the last century. Deal with reality and you'll see that every suggested power provision wherever it is gets stonewalled by local NIMBY groups who still expect to drive cars, heat their houses and recharge their mobile phones using a facility that has been built in someone else's back yard. It's going to have to get messy and uncomfortable before enough people accept that the UK is so small that someone, somewhere is always going to be affected if they want to live the comfortable life that they are currently living. Look at the roofs as you travel around and see how many homeowners are using Solar Panels and within the next five to ten years there will be batteries capable of storing enough power so that houses can store excess energy instead of feeding it back in to the grid. Try looking forward for solutions instead of yearning for the historic ones.
Torchie its political very political why coal is not extracted go back to Ted Heath government and what happen with it and then move ahead to the Thatcher government and why she closed them down even with our 400 plus years of coal reserves and her affair with Nuclear power.
400 years of coal reserves is around 500 years of coal gas supply, we don't need to be dependant on gas from other country's, we was lead to believe that natural gas was cleaner because the oil industry said so and lobbied government for the change over, and when that happen the steel industry started to use whole coal and not the coke because coke was harder to get, road works stated to use crude oil tar and not coal tar.
It was all about reducing the number of jobs to have control over wages and work conditions and looking after a certain industry, its not what is best for the majority its only what is best for the few to gain more power and money and why you are being lied to every day for the powers to be.
If I was you I would relook at the number of homes powered by solar panels its not that many and those that do have them are slowly removing them 1 reason is because of the contract and the cost to the home owner once the contract as run out the cost of these panels for maintenance very year out weighs the gains they also cause damage to the roof, also these batteries is one of the reasons why the Afghanistan invasion by the western world, Afghanistan has the largest deposits of lithium ore known around the £30 trillion worth ore (the other reason was the oil pipe line to run though the country). The batteries them self,s only have a 2 year life span any longer an its bonus plus a Lithium Battery would need to be larger than a standard home bath and they will not come cheap.
And I think what will happen in Afghanistan is that it will return to its old ally Russia like it all ways have done in the pass so even you say happens it will return back to relying on Russia to supply.
The UK, our biggest asset is rain we get loads of it and it this where we should develop using modern technology, The first industrial Revolution was kick started by the water wheel and they well most did not rely on the fall of the river or stream to get power even low some did most rely on the bend in the river and taking a short cut to equal the same amount of power that a fall will produce, technology as moved on a long way since those days of using oak or iron beams and wheels that was very heavy and had a lot of power loss though friction and weight.
But they will not go that way because of one reason it will employ people on mass and the powers that govern us will lose control to the people on mass. Its all down to political policy why certain things do not happen and its all about who as control the few or the many
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.[/p][/quote]There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel. Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives[/p][/quote]Perhaps you ought to correct the Global Sustainability Institute that only today issued a report outlining the fragility of the UK power sources. Coal, gas and oil have all but run out leaving the country at the mercy of suppliers in Russia and Qatar. OPEC are welcoming the end of the economic downturn which leaves them in a position to begin to increase prices and the UK has nothing left in it's arsenal to fight back. NIMBY lobby's block everything anywhere and you want to open up the old coal fields to produce town gas when the coal was sulphur rich and there isn't a gasworks left in the country. Do you think people will embrace new gasworks with all of the smell and noise when they argue against everything else that's suggested to provide heat and light for their selfish souls? The EU has been the final nail in the coffin of the oil fired power stations leaving nothing to replace them. Spare capacity is below 5% and anything more than a minor problem will see areas of the country without power and not even a windmill to take up the slack thanks to the NIMBY groups dotted around the country. There will be pain before progress.[/p][/quote]None as run out, try rereading what they said, they said that Oil as peak, which means they are at the maxim out put levels but demands levels are greater than the out put, UK coal we have over 400 years of coal stock in the ground waiting for it to be dug up. You don't need to build them in towns any more, and if you got a smell of sulphur then your letting a useful chemical to escape, modern technology,s to get the job done, Your get more backing from using coal than you would for Nuclear or Fracking. Here is the real reason why those powers to be what to keep us in short supply they do not want to create the jobs that would put money and power into the common person on the streets[/p][/quote]As usual you only see what you want to see but the report is quite specific. If the UK is self sufficient then why is the gas, oil and coal being imported in such large quantities and why aren't these same resources used to buffer the shortages and price fluctuations of overseas fuel? You want to go back to the 1970s where you feel comfortable but the old coal mines won't reopen while cleaner coal can be brought half way round the world for far less than the domestic product. Only last month the UKs largest remaining coal producer announced that it's facing insolvency because it can no longer compete with imported products, and a large percentage of that is from the US where fracking has forced the price of coal to fall dramatically. Forget coal and your dreams of Town Gas, they died in the last century. Deal with reality and you'll see that every suggested power provision wherever it is gets stonewalled by local NIMBY groups who still expect to drive cars, heat their houses and recharge their mobile phones using a facility that has been built in someone else's back yard. It's going to have to get messy and uncomfortable before enough people accept that the UK is so small that someone, somewhere is always going to be affected if they want to live the comfortable life that they are currently living. Look at the roofs as you travel around and see how many homeowners are using Solar Panels and within the next five to ten years there will be batteries capable of storing enough power so that houses can store excess energy instead of feeding it back in to the grid. Try looking forward for solutions instead of yearning for the historic ones.[/p][/quote]Torchie its political very political why coal is not extracted go back to Ted Heath government and what happen with it and then move ahead to the Thatcher government and why she closed them down even with our 400 plus years of coal reserves and her affair with Nuclear power. 400 years of coal reserves is around 500 years of coal gas supply, we don't need to be dependant on gas from other country's, we was lead to believe that natural gas was cleaner because the oil industry said so and lobbied government for the change over, and when that happen the steel industry started to use whole coal and not the coke because coke was harder to get, road works stated to use crude oil tar and not coal tar. It was all about reducing the number of jobs to have control over wages and work conditions and looking after a certain industry, its not what is best for the majority its only what is best for the few to gain more power and money and why you are being lied to every day for the powers to be. If I was you I would relook at the number of homes powered by solar panels its not that many and those that do have them are slowly removing them 1 reason is because of the contract and the cost to the home owner once the contract as run out the cost of these panels for maintenance very year out weighs the gains they also cause damage to the roof, also these batteries is one of the reasons why the Afghanistan invasion by the western world, Afghanistan has the largest deposits of lithium ore known around the £30 trillion worth ore (the other reason was the oil pipe line to run though the country). The batteries them self,s only have a 2 year life span any longer an its bonus plus a Lithium Battery would need to be larger than a standard home bath and they will not come cheap. And I think what will happen in Afghanistan is that it will return to its old ally Russia like it all ways have done in the pass so even you say happens it will return back to relying on Russia to supply. The UK, our biggest asset is rain we get loads of it and it this where we should develop using modern technology, The first industrial Revolution was kick started by the water wheel and they well most did not rely on the fall of the river or stream to get power even low some did most rely on the bend in the river and taking a short cut to equal the same amount of power that a fall will produce, technology as moved on a long way since those days of using oak or iron beams and wheels that was very heavy and had a lot of power loss though friction and weight. But they will not go that way because of one reason it will employ people on mass and the powers that govern us will lose control to the people on mass. Its all down to political policy why certain things do not happen and its all about who as control the few or the many southy
  • Score: -3

11:23am Sat 17 May 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.
There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel.

Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives
Perhaps you ought to correct the Global Sustainability Institute that only today issued a report outlining the fragility of the UK power sources. Coal, gas and oil have all but run out leaving the country at the mercy of suppliers in Russia and Qatar. OPEC are welcoming the end of the economic downturn which leaves them in a position to begin to increase prices and the UK has nothing left in it's arsenal to fight back. NIMBY lobby's block everything anywhere and you want to open up the old coal fields to produce town gas when the coal was sulphur rich and there isn't a gasworks left in the country. Do you think people will embrace new gasworks with all of the smell and noise when they argue against everything else that's suggested to provide heat and light for their selfish souls? The EU has been the final nail in the coffin of the oil fired power stations leaving nothing to replace them. Spare capacity is below 5% and anything more than a minor problem will see areas of the country without power and not even a windmill to take up the slack thanks to the NIMBY groups dotted around the country. There will be pain before progress.
None as run out, try rereading what they said, they said that Oil as peak, which means they are at the maxim out put levels but demands levels are greater than the out put, UK coal we have over 400 years of coal stock in the ground waiting for it to be dug up.
You don't need to build them in towns any more, and if you got a smell of sulphur then your letting a useful chemical to escape, modern technology,s to get the job done, Your get more backing from using coal than you would for Nuclear or Fracking.
Here is the real reason why those powers to be what to keep us in short supply they do not want to create the jobs that would put money and power into the common person on the streets
As usual you only see what you want to see but the report is quite specific. If the UK is self sufficient then why is the gas, oil and coal being imported in such large quantities and why aren't these same resources used to buffer the shortages and price fluctuations of overseas fuel? You want to go back to the 1970s where you feel comfortable but the old coal mines won't reopen while cleaner coal can be brought half way round the world for far less than the domestic product. Only last month the UKs largest remaining coal producer announced that it's facing insolvency because it can no longer compete with imported products, and a large percentage of that is from the US where fracking has forced the price of coal to fall dramatically. Forget coal and your dreams of Town Gas, they died in the last century. Deal with reality and you'll see that every suggested power provision wherever it is gets stonewalled by local NIMBY groups who still expect to drive cars, heat their houses and recharge their mobile phones using a facility that has been built in someone else's back yard. It's going to have to get messy and uncomfortable before enough people accept that the UK is so small that someone, somewhere is always going to be affected if they want to live the comfortable life that they are currently living. Look at the roofs as you travel around and see how many homeowners are using Solar Panels and within the next five to ten years there will be batteries capable of storing enough power so that houses can store excess energy instead of feeding it back in to the grid. Try looking forward for solutions instead of yearning for the historic ones.
Torchie its political very political why coal is not extracted go back to Ted Heath government and what happen with it and then move ahead to the Thatcher government and why she closed them down even with our 400 plus years of coal reserves and her affair with Nuclear power.
400 years of coal reserves is around 500 years of coal gas supply, we don't need to be dependant on gas from other country's, we was lead to believe that natural gas was cleaner because the oil industry said so and lobbied government for the change over, and when that happen the steel industry started to use whole coal and not the coke because coke was harder to get, road works stated to use crude oil tar and not coal tar.
It was all about reducing the number of jobs to have control over wages and work conditions and looking after a certain industry, its not what is best for the majority its only what is best for the few to gain more power and money and why you are being lied to every day for the powers to be.
If I was you I would relook at the number of homes powered by solar panels its not that many and those that do have them are slowly removing them 1 reason is because of the contract and the cost to the home owner once the contract as run out the cost of these panels for maintenance very year out weighs the gains they also cause damage to the roof, also these batteries is one of the reasons why the Afghanistan invasion by the western world, Afghanistan has the largest deposits of lithium ore known around the £30 trillion worth ore (the other reason was the oil pipe line to run though the country). The batteries them self,s only have a 2 year life span any longer an its bonus plus a Lithium Battery would need to be larger than a standard home bath and they will not come cheap.
And I think what will happen in Afghanistan is that it will return to its old ally Russia like it all ways have done in the pass so even you say happens it will return back to relying on Russia to supply.
The UK, our biggest asset is rain we get loads of it and it this where we should develop using modern technology, The first industrial Revolution was kick started by the water wheel and they well most did not rely on the fall of the river or stream to get power even low some did most rely on the bend in the river and taking a short cut to equal the same amount of power that a fall will produce, technology as moved on a long way since those days of using oak or iron beams and wheels that was very heavy and had a lot of power loss though friction and weight.
But they will not go that way because of one reason it will employ people on mass and the powers that govern us will lose control to the people on mass. Its all down to political policy why certain things do not happen and its all about who as control the few or the many
Thank-you for offering such a simple analysis of the whole energy crisis, and the evil intentions of the mysterious groups that have caused it. You ought to become a politician and get the message out to the masses.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.[/p][/quote]There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel. Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives[/p][/quote]Perhaps you ought to correct the Global Sustainability Institute that only today issued a report outlining the fragility of the UK power sources. Coal, gas and oil have all but run out leaving the country at the mercy of suppliers in Russia and Qatar. OPEC are welcoming the end of the economic downturn which leaves them in a position to begin to increase prices and the UK has nothing left in it's arsenal to fight back. NIMBY lobby's block everything anywhere and you want to open up the old coal fields to produce town gas when the coal was sulphur rich and there isn't a gasworks left in the country. Do you think people will embrace new gasworks with all of the smell and noise when they argue against everything else that's suggested to provide heat and light for their selfish souls? The EU has been the final nail in the coffin of the oil fired power stations leaving nothing to replace them. Spare capacity is below 5% and anything more than a minor problem will see areas of the country without power and not even a windmill to take up the slack thanks to the NIMBY groups dotted around the country. There will be pain before progress.[/p][/quote]None as run out, try rereading what they said, they said that Oil as peak, which means they are at the maxim out put levels but demands levels are greater than the out put, UK coal we have over 400 years of coal stock in the ground waiting for it to be dug up. You don't need to build them in towns any more, and if you got a smell of sulphur then your letting a useful chemical to escape, modern technology,s to get the job done, Your get more backing from using coal than you would for Nuclear or Fracking. Here is the real reason why those powers to be what to keep us in short supply they do not want to create the jobs that would put money and power into the common person on the streets[/p][/quote]As usual you only see what you want to see but the report is quite specific. If the UK is self sufficient then why is the gas, oil and coal being imported in such large quantities and why aren't these same resources used to buffer the shortages and price fluctuations of overseas fuel? You want to go back to the 1970s where you feel comfortable but the old coal mines won't reopen while cleaner coal can be brought half way round the world for far less than the domestic product. Only last month the UKs largest remaining coal producer announced that it's facing insolvency because it can no longer compete with imported products, and a large percentage of that is from the US where fracking has forced the price of coal to fall dramatically. Forget coal and your dreams of Town Gas, they died in the last century. Deal with reality and you'll see that every suggested power provision wherever it is gets stonewalled by local NIMBY groups who still expect to drive cars, heat their houses and recharge their mobile phones using a facility that has been built in someone else's back yard. It's going to have to get messy and uncomfortable before enough people accept that the UK is so small that someone, somewhere is always going to be affected if they want to live the comfortable life that they are currently living. Look at the roofs as you travel around and see how many homeowners are using Solar Panels and within the next five to ten years there will be batteries capable of storing enough power so that houses can store excess energy instead of feeding it back in to the grid. Try looking forward for solutions instead of yearning for the historic ones.[/p][/quote]Torchie its political very political why coal is not extracted go back to Ted Heath government and what happen with it and then move ahead to the Thatcher government and why she closed them down even with our 400 plus years of coal reserves and her affair with Nuclear power. 400 years of coal reserves is around 500 years of coal gas supply, we don't need to be dependant on gas from other country's, we was lead to believe that natural gas was cleaner because the oil industry said so and lobbied government for the change over, and when that happen the steel industry started to use whole coal and not the coke because coke was harder to get, road works stated to use crude oil tar and not coal tar. It was all about reducing the number of jobs to have control over wages and work conditions and looking after a certain industry, its not what is best for the majority its only what is best for the few to gain more power and money and why you are being lied to every day for the powers to be. If I was you I would relook at the number of homes powered by solar panels its not that many and those that do have them are slowly removing them 1 reason is because of the contract and the cost to the home owner once the contract as run out the cost of these panels for maintenance very year out weighs the gains they also cause damage to the roof, also these batteries is one of the reasons why the Afghanistan invasion by the western world, Afghanistan has the largest deposits of lithium ore known around the £30 trillion worth ore (the other reason was the oil pipe line to run though the country). The batteries them self,s only have a 2 year life span any longer an its bonus plus a Lithium Battery would need to be larger than a standard home bath and they will not come cheap. And I think what will happen in Afghanistan is that it will return to its old ally Russia like it all ways have done in the pass so even you say happens it will return back to relying on Russia to supply. The UK, our biggest asset is rain we get loads of it and it this where we should develop using modern technology, The first industrial Revolution was kick started by the water wheel and they well most did not rely on the fall of the river or stream to get power even low some did most rely on the bend in the river and taking a short cut to equal the same amount of power that a fall will produce, technology as moved on a long way since those days of using oak or iron beams and wheels that was very heavy and had a lot of power loss though friction and weight. But they will not go that way because of one reason it will employ people on mass and the powers that govern us will lose control to the people on mass. Its all down to political policy why certain things do not happen and its all about who as control the few or the many[/p][/quote]Thank-you for offering such a simple analysis of the whole energy crisis, and the evil intentions of the mysterious groups that have caused it. You ought to become a politician and get the message out to the masses. Torchie1
  • Score: 3

12:23pm Sat 17 May 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.
There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel.

Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives
Perhaps you ought to correct the Global Sustainability Institute that only today issued a report outlining the fragility of the UK power sources. Coal, gas and oil have all but run out leaving the country at the mercy of suppliers in Russia and Qatar. OPEC are welcoming the end of the economic downturn which leaves them in a position to begin to increase prices and the UK has nothing left in it's arsenal to fight back. NIMBY lobby's block everything anywhere and you want to open up the old coal fields to produce town gas when the coal was sulphur rich and there isn't a gasworks left in the country. Do you think people will embrace new gasworks with all of the smell and noise when they argue against everything else that's suggested to provide heat and light for their selfish souls? The EU has been the final nail in the coffin of the oil fired power stations leaving nothing to replace them. Spare capacity is below 5% and anything more than a minor problem will see areas of the country without power and not even a windmill to take up the slack thanks to the NIMBY groups dotted around the country. There will be pain before progress.
None as run out, try rereading what they said, they said that Oil as peak, which means they are at the maxim out put levels but demands levels are greater than the out put, UK coal we have over 400 years of coal stock in the ground waiting for it to be dug up.
You don't need to build them in towns any more, and if you got a smell of sulphur then your letting a useful chemical to escape, modern technology,s to get the job done, Your get more backing from using coal than you would for Nuclear or Fracking.
Here is the real reason why those powers to be what to keep us in short supply they do not want to create the jobs that would put money and power into the common person on the streets
As usual you only see what you want to see but the report is quite specific. If the UK is self sufficient then why is the gas, oil and coal being imported in such large quantities and why aren't these same resources used to buffer the shortages and price fluctuations of overseas fuel? You want to go back to the 1970s where you feel comfortable but the old coal mines won't reopen while cleaner coal can be brought half way round the world for far less than the domestic product. Only last month the UKs largest remaining coal producer announced that it's facing insolvency because it can no longer compete with imported products, and a large percentage of that is from the US where fracking has forced the price of coal to fall dramatically. Forget coal and your dreams of Town Gas, they died in the last century. Deal with reality and you'll see that every suggested power provision wherever it is gets stonewalled by local NIMBY groups who still expect to drive cars, heat their houses and recharge their mobile phones using a facility that has been built in someone else's back yard. It's going to have to get messy and uncomfortable before enough people accept that the UK is so small that someone, somewhere is always going to be affected if they want to live the comfortable life that they are currently living. Look at the roofs as you travel around and see how many homeowners are using Solar Panels and within the next five to ten years there will be batteries capable of storing enough power so that houses can store excess energy instead of feeding it back in to the grid. Try looking forward for solutions instead of yearning for the historic ones.
Torchie its political very political why coal is not extracted go back to Ted Heath government and what happen with it and then move ahead to the Thatcher government and why she closed them down even with our 400 plus years of coal reserves and her affair with Nuclear power.
400 years of coal reserves is around 500 years of coal gas supply, we don't need to be dependant on gas from other country's, we was lead to believe that natural gas was cleaner because the oil industry said so and lobbied government for the change over, and when that happen the steel industry started to use whole coal and not the coke because coke was harder to get, road works stated to use crude oil tar and not coal tar.
It was all about reducing the number of jobs to have control over wages and work conditions and looking after a certain industry, its not what is best for the majority its only what is best for the few to gain more power and money and why you are being lied to every day for the powers to be.
If I was you I would relook at the number of homes powered by solar panels its not that many and those that do have them are slowly removing them 1 reason is because of the contract and the cost to the home owner once the contract as run out the cost of these panels for maintenance very year out weighs the gains they also cause damage to the roof, also these batteries is one of the reasons why the Afghanistan invasion by the western world, Afghanistan has the largest deposits of lithium ore known around the £30 trillion worth ore (the other reason was the oil pipe line to run though the country). The batteries them self,s only have a 2 year life span any longer an its bonus plus a Lithium Battery would need to be larger than a standard home bath and they will not come cheap.
And I think what will happen in Afghanistan is that it will return to its old ally Russia like it all ways have done in the pass so even you say happens it will return back to relying on Russia to supply.
The UK, our biggest asset is rain we get loads of it and it this where we should develop using modern technology, The first industrial Revolution was kick started by the water wheel and they well most did not rely on the fall of the river or stream to get power even low some did most rely on the bend in the river and taking a short cut to equal the same amount of power that a fall will produce, technology as moved on a long way since those days of using oak or iron beams and wheels that was very heavy and had a lot of power loss though friction and weight.
But they will not go that way because of one reason it will employ people on mass and the powers that govern us will lose control to the people on mass. Its all down to political policy why certain things do not happen and its all about who as control the few or the many
Thank-you for offering such a simple analysis of the whole energy crisis, and the evil intentions of the mysterious groups that have caused it. You ought to become a politician and get the message out to the masses.
Not so much as an analysis its what is happening all round the world now, Remember Ted Heath Government was bought down and kick out of office because of the miners union, Thatcher attack that union and closed down the mines that would not comply with her dictatorship.
Create high unemployment so to gain control over the workers on pay and work condition. the message is slowly getting out.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: In the not too distant future when the Russians are squeezing the gas supply to Europe, the Arabs are doing the same with LNG, the OPEC price restraint is removed as the world economic situation improves, all of the NIMBY groups will be totally unavailable for comment when the UK is suffering power shortages. The debate on the need for nuclear, fracking and all of the other objectionable sites for sources of energy will then take on a new dimension. Unfortunately people have to experience discomfort before reality kicks in.[/p][/quote]There is no reason why the UK should suffer any power shortage, we have over 400 years of coal reserves, we just need to do what we was doing before we had natural gas, we can supply coal gas for 500 years, and what is left after we extracted all the gas and other useful chemicals is coke, which burns hotter and longer it also makes the world best steel. Talking to some Australian friends and family they use the power of rivers with out damming them up, they got a turbo type power generator that they just sit on the river bed, and what is the one thing we have in this country and lots of it "Rain" we could use the power of rivers to produce power. there is no excuses there are alternatives[/p][/quote]Perhaps you ought to correct the Global Sustainability Institute that only today issued a report outlining the fragility of the UK power sources. Coal, gas and oil have all but run out leaving the country at the mercy of suppliers in Russia and Qatar. OPEC are welcoming the end of the economic downturn which leaves them in a position to begin to increase prices and the UK has nothing left in it's arsenal to fight back. NIMBY lobby's block everything anywhere and you want to open up the old coal fields to produce town gas when the coal was sulphur rich and there isn't a gasworks left in the country. Do you think people will embrace new gasworks with all of the smell and noise when they argue against everything else that's suggested to provide heat and light for their selfish souls? The EU has been the final nail in the coffin of the oil fired power stations leaving nothing to replace them. Spare capacity is below 5% and anything more than a minor problem will see areas of the country without power and not even a windmill to take up the slack thanks to the NIMBY groups dotted around the country. There will be pain before progress.[/p][/quote]None as run out, try rereading what they said, they said that Oil as peak, which means they are at the maxim out put levels but demands levels are greater than the out put, UK coal we have over 400 years of coal stock in the ground waiting for it to be dug up. You don't need to build them in towns any more, and if you got a smell of sulphur then your letting a useful chemical to escape, modern technology,s to get the job done, Your get more backing from using coal than you would for Nuclear or Fracking. Here is the real reason why those powers to be what to keep us in short supply they do not want to create the jobs that would put money and power into the common person on the streets[/p][/quote]As usual you only see what you want to see but the report is quite specific. If the UK is self sufficient then why is the gas, oil and coal being imported in such large quantities and why aren't these same resources used to buffer the shortages and price fluctuations of overseas fuel? You want to go back to the 1970s where you feel comfortable but the old coal mines won't reopen while cleaner coal can be brought half way round the world for far less than the domestic product. Only last month the UKs largest remaining coal producer announced that it's facing insolvency because it can no longer compete with imported products, and a large percentage of that is from the US where fracking has forced the price of coal to fall dramatically. Forget coal and your dreams of Town Gas, they died in the last century. Deal with reality and you'll see that every suggested power provision wherever it is gets stonewalled by local NIMBY groups who still expect to drive cars, heat their houses and recharge their mobile phones using a facility that has been built in someone else's back yard. It's going to have to get messy and uncomfortable before enough people accept that the UK is so small that someone, somewhere is always going to be affected if they want to live the comfortable life that they are currently living. Look at the roofs as you travel around and see how many homeowners are using Solar Panels and within the next five to ten years there will be batteries capable of storing enough power so that houses can store excess energy instead of feeding it back in to the grid. Try looking forward for solutions instead of yearning for the historic ones.[/p][/quote]Torchie its political very political why coal is not extracted go back to Ted Heath government and what happen with it and then move ahead to the Thatcher government and why she closed them down even with our 400 plus years of coal reserves and her affair with Nuclear power. 400 years of coal reserves is around 500 years of coal gas supply, we don't need to be dependant on gas from other country's, we was lead to believe that natural gas was cleaner because the oil industry said so and lobbied government for the change over, and when that happen the steel industry started to use whole coal and not the coke because coke was harder to get, road works stated to use crude oil tar and not coal tar. It was all about reducing the number of jobs to have control over wages and work conditions and looking after a certain industry, its not what is best for the majority its only what is best for the few to gain more power and money and why you are being lied to every day for the powers to be. If I was you I would relook at the number of homes powered by solar panels its not that many and those that do have them are slowly removing them 1 reason is because of the contract and the cost to the home owner once the contract as run out the cost of these panels for maintenance very year out weighs the gains they also cause damage to the roof, also these batteries is one of the reasons why the Afghanistan invasion by the western world, Afghanistan has the largest deposits of lithium ore known around the £30 trillion worth ore (the other reason was the oil pipe line to run though the country). The batteries them self,s only have a 2 year life span any longer an its bonus plus a Lithium Battery would need to be larger than a standard home bath and they will not come cheap. And I think what will happen in Afghanistan is that it will return to its old ally Russia like it all ways have done in the pass so even you say happens it will return back to relying on Russia to supply. The UK, our biggest asset is rain we get loads of it and it this where we should develop using modern technology, The first industrial Revolution was kick started by the water wheel and they well most did not rely on the fall of the river or stream to get power even low some did most rely on the bend in the river and taking a short cut to equal the same amount of power that a fall will produce, technology as moved on a long way since those days of using oak or iron beams and wheels that was very heavy and had a lot of power loss though friction and weight. But they will not go that way because of one reason it will employ people on mass and the powers that govern us will lose control to the people on mass. Its all down to political policy why certain things do not happen and its all about who as control the few or the many[/p][/quote]Thank-you for offering such a simple analysis of the whole energy crisis, and the evil intentions of the mysterious groups that have caused it. You ought to become a politician and get the message out to the masses.[/p][/quote]Not so much as an analysis its what is happening all round the world now, Remember Ted Heath Government was bought down and kick out of office because of the miners union, Thatcher attack that union and closed down the mines that would not comply with her dictatorship. Create high unemployment so to gain control over the workers on pay and work condition. the message is slowly getting out. southy
  • Score: -5

3:43pm Sat 17 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

southy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
southy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NOBODY TAKES ME SERIOUSLY!!!!
I told you, you would be better off campaigning against fracking in the forest rather than a bike event that only lasts 2 days but everyone who speaks against me all said "Fracking won't happen in the forest"... Well guess fracking what, it's fracking HAPPENING.
I am more worried the damage fracking will do to the ground water tables our tap water, its been said for over ten years now that water will become the new oil and every where around the world where fracking as taken place the ground water tables have been contaminated in the USA it is the worse cases you can find, there if the water table becomes contaminated the area can go as much as 200 miles from the fracking rig, here in England it will be less of an area more likely be down to around 10 miles, but being a small country the damage would be more greater as with in that 10 miles there could be as many as 4 wells pumping stations to supply drinking water
The wessex aquifer stretches across the whole of hampshire, it's also what feeds all of the rivers in hampshire, including the Avon, Itchen and Test, contaminate the wessex aquifer and you kill several rivers at the same time.
There is a gap not very wide that isolates the Avon Valley, Test valley and Itchen and other minor rivers, but saying that the source of the rivers are close and will depend of what the winter is like if the water tables are connected or not some years they are other years they are not and to contaminate all the rivers from the same bore hole it would need to be high up the rivers and a wet winter
With the recent wet winters, it's VERY possible it could happen.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NOBODY TAKES ME SERIOUSLY!!!! I told you, you would be better off campaigning against fracking in the forest rather than a bike event that only lasts 2 days but everyone who speaks against me all said "Fracking won't happen in the forest"... Well guess fracking what, it's fracking HAPPENING.[/p][/quote]I am more worried the damage fracking will do to the ground water tables our tap water, its been said for over ten years now that water will become the new oil and every where around the world where fracking as taken place the ground water tables have been contaminated in the USA it is the worse cases you can find, there if the water table becomes contaminated the area can go as much as 200 miles from the fracking rig, here in England it will be less of an area more likely be down to around 10 miles, but being a small country the damage would be more greater as with in that 10 miles there could be as many as 4 wells pumping stations to supply drinking water[/p][/quote]The wessex aquifer stretches across the whole of hampshire, it's also what feeds all of the rivers in hampshire, including the Avon, Itchen and Test, contaminate the wessex aquifer and you kill several rivers at the same time.[/p][/quote]There is a gap not very wide that isolates the Avon Valley, Test valley and Itchen and other minor rivers, but saying that the source of the rivers are close and will depend of what the winter is like if the water tables are connected or not some years they are other years they are not and to contaminate all the rivers from the same bore hole it would need to be high up the rivers and a wet winter[/p][/quote]With the recent wet winters, it's VERY possible it could happen. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -1

6:38pm Sat 17 May 14

southy says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
southy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
southy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NOBODY TAKES ME SERIOUSLY!!!!
I told you, you would be better off campaigning against fracking in the forest rather than a bike event that only lasts 2 days but everyone who speaks against me all said "Fracking won't happen in the forest"... Well guess fracking what, it's fracking HAPPENING.
I am more worried the damage fracking will do to the ground water tables our tap water, its been said for over ten years now that water will become the new oil and every where around the world where fracking as taken place the ground water tables have been contaminated in the USA it is the worse cases you can find, there if the water table becomes contaminated the area can go as much as 200 miles from the fracking rig, here in England it will be less of an area more likely be down to around 10 miles, but being a small country the damage would be more greater as with in that 10 miles there could be as many as 4 wells pumping stations to supply drinking water
The wessex aquifer stretches across the whole of hampshire, it's also what feeds all of the rivers in hampshire, including the Avon, Itchen and Test, contaminate the wessex aquifer and you kill several rivers at the same time.
There is a gap not very wide that isolates the Avon Valley, Test valley and Itchen and other minor rivers, but saying that the source of the rivers are close and will depend of what the winter is like if the water tables are connected or not some years they are other years they are not and to contaminate all the rivers from the same bore hole it would need to be high up the rivers and a wet winter
With the recent wet winters, it's VERY possible it could happen.
Yes agree it as been a long mild wet winter, but the water table is still down on the 1964 levels, but they are a lot higher than they have been of late.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NOBODY TAKES ME SERIOUSLY!!!! I told you, you would be better off campaigning against fracking in the forest rather than a bike event that only lasts 2 days but everyone who speaks against me all said "Fracking won't happen in the forest"... Well guess fracking what, it's fracking HAPPENING.[/p][/quote]I am more worried the damage fracking will do to the ground water tables our tap water, its been said for over ten years now that water will become the new oil and every where around the world where fracking as taken place the ground water tables have been contaminated in the USA it is the worse cases you can find, there if the water table becomes contaminated the area can go as much as 200 miles from the fracking rig, here in England it will be less of an area more likely be down to around 10 miles, but being a small country the damage would be more greater as with in that 10 miles there could be as many as 4 wells pumping stations to supply drinking water[/p][/quote]The wessex aquifer stretches across the whole of hampshire, it's also what feeds all of the rivers in hampshire, including the Avon, Itchen and Test, contaminate the wessex aquifer and you kill several rivers at the same time.[/p][/quote]There is a gap not very wide that isolates the Avon Valley, Test valley and Itchen and other minor rivers, but saying that the source of the rivers are close and will depend of what the winter is like if the water tables are connected or not some years they are other years they are not and to contaminate all the rivers from the same bore hole it would need to be high up the rivers and a wet winter[/p][/quote]With the recent wet winters, it's VERY possible it could happen.[/p][/quote]Yes agree it as been a long mild wet winter, but the water table is still down on the 1964 levels, but they are a lot higher than they have been of late. southy
  • Score: -2

1:34pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Dan Soton says...

Excuse me while I bang my own drum..



Every opportunity since July 2013 I've been banging on about offshore Fracking (at that time totally unheard of.. by me anyway) and now the possibility is here..




SHALE GAS PIONEER PLANS WORLD'S FIRST OFFSHORE WELLS IN IRISH SEA.

By Ben King.
Economics reporter, BBC News.
13 February 2014 Last updated at 06:40 .

The founder of shale gas firm Cuadrilla is planning a venture to frack in the Irish Sea, the BBC has learned.

Dr Chris Cornelius believes there are large volumes of offshore shale gas that could be extracted.

If successful, it would be the first such project in the world.

THE BRITISH GEOLOGICAL SURVEY HAS ESTIMATED THAT THE UK'S TOTAL OFFSHORE SHALE GAS RESOURCES COULD BE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 TIMES THE SIZE OF THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE ONSHORE


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http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/business-26157
228





A few ( from the meany ) of my posts advocating Offshore Fracking

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http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/10585288
.Fracking_dangers_ar
e_simply____myth_ped
dling____says_MP/

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http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/10562020
.Thousands_of_fracki
ng_wells_to_be_dug_a
cross_Hampshire__war
ns_MP/

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http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/10578358
.Council__should_hav
e_policy_on_fracking
/



,,
Excuse me while I bang my own drum.. Every opportunity since July 2013 I've been banging on about offshore Fracking (at that time totally unheard of.. by me anyway) and now the possibility is here.. SHALE GAS PIONEER PLANS WORLD'S FIRST OFFSHORE WELLS IN IRISH SEA. By Ben King. Economics reporter, BBC News. 13 February 2014 Last updated at 06:40 . The founder of shale gas firm Cuadrilla is planning a venture to frack in the Irish Sea, the BBC has learned. Dr Chris Cornelius believes there are large volumes of offshore shale gas that could be extracted. If successful, it would be the first such project in the world. THE BRITISH GEOLOGICAL SURVEY HAS ESTIMATED THAT THE UK'S TOTAL OFFSHORE SHALE GAS RESOURCES COULD BE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 TIMES THE SIZE OF THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE ONSHORE - http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-26157 228 A few ( from the meany ) of my posts advocating Offshore Fracking - http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10585288 .Fracking_dangers_ar e_simply____myth_ped dling____says_MP/ - http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10562020 .Thousands_of_fracki ng_wells_to_be_dug_a cross_Hampshire__war ns_MP/ - http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10578358 .Council__should_hav e_policy_on_fracking / ,, Dan Soton
  • Score: 0

1:37pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Dan Soton says...

Excuse me while I bang my own drum..



Every opportunity since July 2013 I've been banging on about offshore Fracking (at that time totally unheard of.. by me anyway) and now the possibility is here..




SHALE GAS PIONEER PLANS WORLD'S FIRST OFFSHORE WELLS IN IRISH SEA.

By Ben King.
Economics reporter, BBC News.
13 February 2014 Last updated at 06:40 .

The founder of shale gas firm Cuadrilla is planning a venture to frack in the Irish Sea, the BBC has learned.

Dr Chris Cornelius believes there are large volumes of offshore shale gas that could be extracted.

If successful, it would be the first such project in the world.

THE BRITISH GEOLOGICAL SURVEY HAS ESTIMATED THAT THE UK'S TOTAL OFFSHORE SHALE GAS RESOURCES COULD BE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 TIMES THE SIZE OF THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE ONSHORE


-

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/business-26157

228





A few ( from the many ) of my posts advocating Offshore Fracking

-


http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/news/10585288

.Fracking_dangers_ar

e_simply____myth_ped

dling____says_MP/

-



http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/news/10562020

.Thousands_of_fracki

ng_wells_to_be_dug_a

cross_Hampshire__war

ns_MP/

-


http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/news/10578358

.Council__should_hav

e_policy_on_fracking

/



,,
Excuse me while I bang my own drum.. Every opportunity since July 2013 I've been banging on about offshore Fracking (at that time totally unheard of.. by me anyway) and now the possibility is here.. SHALE GAS PIONEER PLANS WORLD'S FIRST OFFSHORE WELLS IN IRISH SEA. By Ben King. Economics reporter, BBC News. 13 February 2014 Last updated at 06:40 . The founder of shale gas firm Cuadrilla is planning a venture to frack in the Irish Sea, the BBC has learned. Dr Chris Cornelius believes there are large volumes of offshore shale gas that could be extracted. If successful, it would be the first such project in the world. THE BRITISH GEOLOGICAL SURVEY HAS ESTIMATED THAT THE UK'S TOTAL OFFSHORE SHALE GAS RESOURCES COULD BE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 TIMES THE SIZE OF THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE ONSHORE - http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-26157 228 A few ( from the many ) of my posts advocating Offshore Fracking - http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10585288 .Fracking_dangers_ar e_simply____myth_ped dling____says_MP/ - http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10562020 .Thousands_of_fracki ng_wells_to_be_dug_a cross_Hampshire__war ns_MP/ - http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10578358 .Council__should_hav e_policy_on_fracking / ,, Dan Soton
  • Score: 0

1:39pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Dan Soton says...

,,


Excuse me while I bang my own drum..


Every opportunity since July 2013 I've been banging on about offshore Fracking (at that time totally unheard of.. by me anyway) and now the possibility is here..



SHALE GAS PIONEER PLANS WORLD'S FIRST OFFSHORE WELLS IN IRISH SEA.

By Ben King.
Economics reporter, BBC News.
13 February 2014 Last updated at 06:40 .

The founder of shale gas firm Cuadrilla is planning a venture to frack in the Irish Sea, the BBC has learned.

Dr Chris Cornelius believes there are large volumes of offshore shale gas that could be extracted.

If successful, it would be the first such project in the world.

THE BRITISH GEOLOGICAL SURVEY HAS ESTIMATED THAT THE UK'S TOTAL OFFSHORE SHALE GAS RESOURCES COULD BE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 TIMES THE SIZE OF THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE ONSHORE

-

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/business-26157
228





A few ( from the many) of my posts advocating Offshore Fracking

-


http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/10585288
.Fracking_dangers_ar
e_simply____myth_ped
dling____says_MP/

-

http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/10562020
.Thousands_of_fracki
ng_wells_to_be_dug_a
cross_Hampshire__war
ns_MP/

-

http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/10578358
.Council__should_hav
e_policy_on_fracking
/



,,
,, Excuse me while I bang my own drum.. Every opportunity since July 2013 I've been banging on about offshore Fracking (at that time totally unheard of.. by me anyway) and now the possibility is here.. SHALE GAS PIONEER PLANS WORLD'S FIRST OFFSHORE WELLS IN IRISH SEA. By Ben King. Economics reporter, BBC News. 13 February 2014 Last updated at 06:40 . The founder of shale gas firm Cuadrilla is planning a venture to frack in the Irish Sea, the BBC has learned. Dr Chris Cornelius believes there are large volumes of offshore shale gas that could be extracted. If successful, it would be the first such project in the world. THE BRITISH GEOLOGICAL SURVEY HAS ESTIMATED THAT THE UK'S TOTAL OFFSHORE SHALE GAS RESOURCES COULD BE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 TIMES THE SIZE OF THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE ONSHORE - http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-26157 228 A few ( from the many) of my posts advocating Offshore Fracking - http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10585288 .Fracking_dangers_ar e_simply____myth_ped dling____says_MP/ - http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10562020 .Thousands_of_fracki ng_wells_to_be_dug_a cross_Hampshire__war ns_MP/ - http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10578358 .Council__should_hav e_policy_on_fracking / ,, Dan Soton
  • Score: 0

2:56pm Mon 2 Jun 14

hantslass says...

country bird wrote:
I object strongly. This shouldn't even be a consideration.
why should we allow another foreign company to destroy our country NOT FOR OUR GAIN but for their pockets. gas water electric airports are all owned by foreign companies this is why our bills are so high our government have no control on these greedy people. say no more to foreign companies coming here making billions out of the brits we are sick of it. AND stop giving out too much in aid to the world charity begins at home BRITAIN
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: I object strongly. This shouldn't even be a consideration.[/p][/quote]why should we allow another foreign company to destroy our country NOT FOR OUR GAIN but for their pockets. gas water electric airports are all owned by foreign companies this is why our bills are so high our government have no control on these greedy people. say no more to foreign companies coming here making billions out of the brits we are sick of it. AND stop giving out too much in aid to the world charity begins at home BRITAIN hantslass
  • Score: 0

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