Police name cyclist killed in New Forest accident as Mark Brummell

Daily Echo: Cyclist dies after car crash Cyclist dies after car crash

THE CYCLIST who died after the bike he was riding was struck by a car in the New Forest has been named as Mark Brummell.

The 53-year-old from Atherley Road, Southampton suffered serious injuries at the scene of the accident at Ipley and died later at Southampton General Hospital.

According to police he was in collision with a Renault Scenic at the Ipley crossroads in the village at 6.15pm, last night.

The 59-year-old male driver of the car was arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.

Officers are appealing for anyone with information to contact the Operation Sarum investigation team on the 101 number.

Sergeant Andy Lynch, from the Road Death Investigation team at Eastleigh, said: “Mr Brummell was treated at the scene by ambulance crews before being taken to Southampton General Hospital where sadly he later passed away.

“I'm appealing for witnesses to the collision or anyone with information who can help. I'd like to hear from anyone who saw what happened or either the Megane or the cyclist prior to it.”

Anyone with information should contact Sgt Lynch at Eastleigh police station, quoting Operation Sarum, on 101 or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

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9:57am Tue 29 May 12

Torchie1 says...

Ipley crossroads claims road users on a regular basis even though one party knows that they have to give way. There is another crossroads at Bull Hill near Lymington that is exactly the same but I suspect the 'give way' side sometimes tries to race the 'right of way' side and misjudges the speed. The crossroads at Marlpit Oak near Sway used to regularly feature in the accident statistics including one where a friend of mine was badly injured by four Hampshire firemen when their private car struck his motorcycle even though he was on the main road and they shot across the crossroads from the 'give way' side. Eventually Marlpit Oak was made in to a staggered junction and the accidents stopped. I've seen the aftermath or just read about the various forest crossroads being the scene of accidents over the years and the cost of changing the layouts must pale in to insignificance when compared to the cost of the accidents over the years.
Ipley crossroads claims road users on a regular basis even though one party knows that they have to give way. There is another crossroads at Bull Hill near Lymington that is exactly the same but I suspect the 'give way' side sometimes tries to race the 'right of way' side and misjudges the speed. The crossroads at Marlpit Oak near Sway used to regularly feature in the accident statistics including one where a friend of mine was badly injured by four Hampshire firemen when their private car struck his motorcycle even though he was on the main road and they shot across the crossroads from the 'give way' side. Eventually Marlpit Oak was made in to a staggered junction and the accidents stopped. I've seen the aftermath or just read about the various forest crossroads being the scene of accidents over the years and the cost of changing the layouts must pale in to insignificance when compared to the cost of the accidents over the years. Torchie1
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10:31am Tue 29 May 12

Norwegian Saint says...

I drive pass this crossing and the idea of a staggered crossing is a great idea.
People think they can speed up and get through before another car coming from Beaulieu direction.
It is also difficult to see cyclists even if they are wearing the high vis vests.
Thoughts with the families and friends.
I drive pass this crossing and the idea of a staggered crossing is a great idea. People think they can speed up and get through before another car coming from Beaulieu direction. It is also difficult to see cyclists even if they are wearing the high vis vests. Thoughts with the families and friends. Norwegian Saint
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10:34am Tue 29 May 12

The Salv says...

When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.
When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen. The Salv
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10:38am Tue 29 May 12

TEBOURBA says...

Once again the Echo, with a complete lack of feeling, invites comments on a tragedy such as this and we get usual speculation as to the causes etc.
For God's sake, a man has died, his family and friends are in shock and grief stricken let's leave it there and allow those closest to him to grieve in peace.
My sincere condolences to all those affected by this tragic loss of life.
Once again the Echo, with a complete lack of feeling, invites comments on a tragedy such as this and we get usual speculation as to the causes etc. For God's sake, a man has died, his family and friends are in shock and grief stricken let's leave it there and allow those closest to him to grieve in peace. My sincere condolences to all those affected by this tragic loss of life. TEBOURBA
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10:53am Tue 29 May 12

Torchie1 says...

The Salv wrote:
When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.
Virtually any contact with a motor vehicle will have a bad outcome for a cyclist and possibly scratched paint for the vehicle owner. Cyclists must surely be aware that this is the case and ride defensively instead of relying on the driver to take all the actions required to keep the cyclist safe. Like it or not the roads are a jungle and putting your faith in a bit of lycra and a flimsy crash hat is taking a huge personal risk.
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.[/p][/quote]Virtually any contact with a motor vehicle will have a bad outcome for a cyclist and possibly scratched paint for the vehicle owner. Cyclists must surely be aware that this is the case and ride defensively instead of relying on the driver to take all the actions required to keep the cyclist safe. Like it or not the roads are a jungle and putting your faith in a bit of lycra and a flimsy crash hat is taking a huge personal risk. Torchie1
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2:06pm Tue 29 May 12

George4th says...

Show some respect when writing on here. A man dies in tragic circumstances and his family and friends will be very sad.
Show some respect when writing on here. A man dies in tragic circumstances and his family and friends will be very sad. George4th
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3:47pm Tue 29 May 12

TEBOURBA says...

Contributors should be aware that my earlier contribution criticising the Echo for inviting comments on tragedies such as this one has been deleted by the Echo.
In my experience such invitations result in comments speculating who did what, where and when and give little thought to the victim's family and friends who are grief stricken.
My earlier contribution expressed my sincere condolences to the victim's family and friends.
The Echo chose to delete it -- so much for the freedom of speech.
For once I am in agreement with George 4th.
Contributors should be aware that my earlier contribution criticising the Echo for inviting comments on tragedies such as this one has been deleted by the Echo. In my experience such invitations result in comments speculating who did what, where and when and give little thought to the victim's family and friends who are grief stricken. My earlier contribution expressed my sincere condolences to the victim's family and friends. The Echo chose to delete it -- so much for the freedom of speech. For once I am in agreement with George 4th. TEBOURBA
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4:05pm Tue 29 May 12

100%HANTSBOY says...

The Salv wrote:
When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.
I have no attitude or anger towards cyclists but I did wonder this morning on my way to work (Allington Lane-Eastleigh) why so many cyclists choose to weave in and out of traffic when,on the Bishopstoke Road,there are cycle lanes on both sides of the road (on the pavement)?.
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.[/p][/quote]I have no attitude or anger towards cyclists but I did wonder this morning on my way to work (Allington Lane-Eastleigh) why so many cyclists choose to weave in and out of traffic when,on the Bishopstoke Road,there are cycle lanes on both sides of the road (on the pavement)?. 100%HANTSBOY
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4:16pm Tue 29 May 12

The Salv says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
Contributors should be aware that my earlier contribution criticising the Echo for inviting comments on tragedies such as this one has been deleted by the Echo. In my experience such invitations result in comments speculating who did what, where and when and give little thought to the victim's family and friends who are grief stricken. My earlier contribution expressed my sincere condolences to the victim's family and friends. The Echo chose to delete it -- so much for the freedom of speech. For once I am in agreement with George 4th.
Email them directly.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Contributors should be aware that my earlier contribution criticising the Echo for inviting comments on tragedies such as this one has been deleted by the Echo. In my experience such invitations result in comments speculating who did what, where and when and give little thought to the victim's family and friends who are grief stricken. My earlier contribution expressed my sincere condolences to the victim's family and friends. The Echo chose to delete it -- so much for the freedom of speech. For once I am in agreement with George 4th.[/p][/quote]Email them directly. The Salv
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4:19pm Tue 29 May 12

The Salv says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
The Salv wrote: When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.
I have no attitude or anger towards cyclists but I did wonder this morning on my way to work (Allington Lane-Eastleigh) why so many cyclists choose to weave in and out of traffic when,on the Bishopstoke Road,there are cycle lanes on both sides of the road (on the pavement)?.
Yes I absolutely agree with you it is frustrating but even others cars can cut people up etc - just take a deep breath and let it go. Hopefully the Police will deal with the anti social drivers but we have to remember we are dealing with lives here.
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.[/p][/quote]I have no attitude or anger towards cyclists but I did wonder this morning on my way to work (Allington Lane-Eastleigh) why so many cyclists choose to weave in and out of traffic when,on the Bishopstoke Road,there are cycle lanes on both sides of the road (on the pavement)?.[/p][/quote]Yes I absolutely agree with you it is frustrating but even others cars can cut people up etc - just take a deep breath and let it go. Hopefully the Police will deal with the anti social drivers but we have to remember we are dealing with lives here. The Salv
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4:24pm Tue 29 May 12

Dan Kerins says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
Contributors should be aware that my earlier contribution criticising the Echo for inviting comments on tragedies such as this one has been deleted by the Echo.
In my experience such invitations result in comments speculating who did what, where and when and give little thought to the victim's family and friends who are grief stricken.
My earlier contribution expressed my sincere condolences to the victim's family and friends.
The Echo chose to delete it -- so much for the freedom of speech.
For once I am in agreement with George 4th.
Whilst some comments have been removed, I can see only two comments that have been submitted by you on this story - and both are being displayed publicly as far as I can see.

However, if you have a problem with a comment use the report this function to alert us to it.

There are a number of reasons as to why a story is open or not to comments - if you do not agree with that decision, simply do not comment on the article.

You are of course welcome to submit a complaint to the editor using the contact details available on this site.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Contributors should be aware that my earlier contribution criticising the Echo for inviting comments on tragedies such as this one has been deleted by the Echo. In my experience such invitations result in comments speculating who did what, where and when and give little thought to the victim's family and friends who are grief stricken. My earlier contribution expressed my sincere condolences to the victim's family and friends. The Echo chose to delete it -- so much for the freedom of speech. For once I am in agreement with George 4th.[/p][/quote]Whilst some comments have been removed, I can see only two comments that have been submitted by you on this story - and both are being displayed publicly as far as I can see. However, if you have a problem with a comment use the report this function to alert us to it. There are a number of reasons as to why a story is open or not to comments - if you do not agree with that decision, simply do not comment on the article. You are of course welcome to submit a complaint to the editor using the contact details available on this site. Dan Kerins
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4:46pm Tue 29 May 12

chrisbluemel says...

This is devastating news for the Southampton Cycling Campaign of which Mark Brummell was such a prominent member, and a good friend to many of us, especially my mother, for whom he beautifully restored a vintage bicycle.

Mark was a dedicated bicycle mechanic, and he had an encyclopedic knowledge of bicycle mechanics, and was enthusiastic and generous in sharing this knowledge with others who wanted to develop their own skills.

He was also a very experienced cyclist, and used to busy roads, which makes it even harder to accept that his life should have ended in this way.

This is a terrible loss. Rest in peace Mark.
This is devastating news for the Southampton Cycling Campaign of which Mark Brummell was such a prominent member, and a good friend to many of us, especially my mother, for whom he beautifully restored a vintage bicycle. Mark was a dedicated bicycle mechanic, and he had an encyclopedic knowledge of bicycle mechanics, and was enthusiastic and generous in sharing this knowledge with others who wanted to develop their own skills. He was also a very experienced cyclist, and used to busy roads, which makes it even harder to accept that his life should have ended in this way. This is a terrible loss. Rest in peace Mark. chrisbluemel
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4:50pm Tue 29 May 12

stevetott says...

The post from Torchie is spot on. I was knocked clean into the air off my bike in an identical accident with car at the Bull Hill crossroads a few years ago ending up in hospital luckily with only a facial fracture. The driver was completely let off and given a phone call from the Police and told to drive more carefully. I had right of way going straight on and he came across the junction at 20mph trying to beat a truck coming up the road.

Sadly I came across Mark Brummell's accident yesterday 5mins after it happened and had words with the driver before the emergency services arrived. The cyclist was being attended to by a 3 people and everything looked under control. However the damage to the car windscreen suggested the impact was severe. When I looped past again 25mins later 2 ambulances were just leaving the scene and I spoke a Policeman about the dangers of such junctions. He said he was 'always being called out to these'. I've had to take serious evasive action twice at that same junction in the past year. Off to lay some flowers at the scene. Anyone who rides a bike in the forrest should contact Hampshire County Council and tell them these junctions need to be made safe. It could be easily done with a speed bump on each give way line. An afternoons work.
The post from Torchie is spot on. I was knocked clean into the air off my bike in an identical accident with car at the Bull Hill crossroads a few years ago ending up in hospital luckily with only a facial fracture. The driver was completely let off and given a phone call from the Police and told to drive more carefully. I had right of way going straight on and he came across the junction at 20mph trying to beat a truck coming up the road. Sadly I came across Mark Brummell's accident yesterday 5mins after it happened and had words with the driver before the emergency services arrived. The cyclist was being attended to by a 3 people and everything looked under control. However the damage to the car windscreen suggested the impact was severe. When I looped past again 25mins later 2 ambulances were just leaving the scene and I spoke a Policeman about the dangers of such junctions. He said he was 'always being called out to these'. I've had to take serious evasive action twice at that same junction in the past year. Off to lay some flowers at the scene. Anyone who rides a bike in the forrest should contact Hampshire County Council and tell them these junctions need to be made safe. It could be easily done with a speed bump on each give way line. An afternoons work. stevetott
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5:23pm Tue 29 May 12

Sir Ad E Noid says...

This is indeed a tragedy. For Mark Brummels family and friends, their loss will be devastating. For the driver of the car, who will relive this incident for ever and any witnesses to this sad event will not be left untouched. Speculating is unhelpful, wrong and in all probability incorrect. Glass breaks easily, but is not a real indication of severity, or blame. I would leave the inquest to the experts and unless you were a witness with an uninterrupted view of events, ie the Police will use you in the inquest proper, lay off the blame culture because in this instance, you help nobody.
This is indeed a tragedy. For Mark Brummels family and friends, their loss will be devastating. For the driver of the car, who will relive this incident for ever and any witnesses to this sad event will not be left untouched. Speculating is unhelpful, wrong and in all probability incorrect. Glass breaks easily, but is not a real indication of severity, or blame. I would leave the inquest to the experts and unless you were a witness with an uninterrupted view of events, ie the Police will use you in the inquest proper, lay off the blame culture because in this instance, you help nobody. Sir Ad E Noid
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6:01pm Tue 29 May 12

pod says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
The Salv wrote:
When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.
I have no attitude or anger towards cyclists but I did wonder this morning on my way to work (Allington Lane-Eastleigh) why so many cyclists choose to weave in and out of traffic when,on the Bishopstoke Road,there are cycle lanes on both sides of the road (on the pavement)?.
what has this got to do with such a tragedy, I do not understnad why some people feel the need to hijack these boards for their own purpose, a man has died here, show some respect, my deepest condolences to his family and friends
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.[/p][/quote]I have no attitude or anger towards cyclists but I did wonder this morning on my way to work (Allington Lane-Eastleigh) why so many cyclists choose to weave in and out of traffic when,on the Bishopstoke Road,there are cycle lanes on both sides of the road (on the pavement)?.[/p][/quote]what has this got to do with such a tragedy, I do not understnad why some people feel the need to hijack these boards for their own purpose, a man has died here, show some respect, my deepest condolences to his family and friends pod
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6:31pm Tue 29 May 12

mington 3rd says...

I agree with sir ed its a tragic ACCIDENT and for the familys of both the cyclist and the driver until we know the facts lets show some repect ....!
I agree with sir ed its a tragic ACCIDENT and for the familys of both the cyclist and the driver until we know the facts lets show some repect ....! mington 3rd
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6:42pm Tue 29 May 12

mington 3rd says...

I agree with sir ed its a tragic ACCIDENT and for the familys of both the cyclist and the driver until we know the facts lets show some repect ....!
I agree with sir ed its a tragic ACCIDENT and for the familys of both the cyclist and the driver until we know the facts lets show some repect ....! mington 3rd
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7:38pm Tue 29 May 12

saintjak says...

Mark drank in my local and was a nice, intelligent guy. which is lot more than can be said for a lot of the scum that reside in southampton these days.

Sad to lose someone who was a benefit to the comunity.

RIP Mark

And i'll repeat what a few have already said on here, show some bloody respect
Mark drank in my local and was a nice, intelligent guy. which is lot more than can be said for a lot of the scum that reside in southampton these days. Sad to lose someone who was a benefit to the comunity. RIP Mark And i'll repeat what a few have already said on here, show some bloody respect saintjak
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10:42pm Tue 29 May 12

Sir Ad E Noid says...

Stillness wrote:
saintjak wrote:
Mark drank in my local and was a nice, intelligent guy. which is lot more than can be said for a lot of the scum that reside in southampton these days.

Sad to lose someone who was a benefit to the comunity.

RIP Mark

And i'll repeat what a few have already said on here, show some bloody respect
Do you think you are setting an example of respect? It is said that what you hate most in others is a reflection of what you hate most in yourself. It looks like you are proving the point.
Please, all of you behave. This is so unnecessary.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintjak[/bold] wrote: Mark drank in my local and was a nice, intelligent guy. which is lot more than can be said for a lot of the scum that reside in southampton these days. Sad to lose someone who was a benefit to the comunity. RIP Mark And i'll repeat what a few have already said on here, show some bloody respect[/p][/quote]Do you think you are setting an example of respect? It is said that what you hate most in others is a reflection of what you hate most in yourself. It looks like you are proving the point.[/p][/quote]Please, all of you behave. This is so unnecessary. Sir Ad E Noid
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10:51pm Tue 29 May 12

The Salv says...

stevetott wrote:
The post from Torchie is spot on. I was knocked clean into the air off my bike in an identical accident with car at the Bull Hill crossroads a few years ago ending up in hospital luckily with only a facial fracture. The driver was completely let off and given a phone call from the Police and told to drive more carefully. I had right of way going straight on and he came across the junction at 20mph trying to beat a truck coming up the road.

Sadly I came across Mark Brummell's accident yesterday 5mins after it happened and had words with the driver before the emergency services arrived. The cyclist was being attended to by a 3 people and everything looked under control. However the damage to the car windscreen suggested the impact was severe. When I looped past again 25mins later 2 ambulances were just leaving the scene and I spoke a Policeman about the dangers of such junctions. He said he was 'always being called out to these'. I've had to take serious evasive action twice at that same junction in the past year. Off to lay some flowers at the scene. Anyone who rides a bike in the forrest should contact Hampshire County Council and tell them these junctions need to be made safe. It could be easily done with a speed bump on each give way line. An afternoons work.
Absolutely - I feel the Police sometimes let drivers of easily. I was knocked of my bike by a car driver opening her door whilst I was on (of all places) a cycling path. She had parked on double yellow lines whilst in a bus stop, what did the Police do, nothing. Had to use a lawyer in the end in which she was found at fault. So why no charges from the Police. There are also NIMBY's trying to campaign to keep cyclists out of the Forest and onto these dangerous roads. This is a tradgedy and surely enough is enough and somethinh needs to be done.
[quote][p][bold]stevetott[/bold] wrote: The post from Torchie is spot on. I was knocked clean into the air off my bike in an identical accident with car at the Bull Hill crossroads a few years ago ending up in hospital luckily with only a facial fracture. The driver was completely let off and given a phone call from the Police and told to drive more carefully. I had right of way going straight on and he came across the junction at 20mph trying to beat a truck coming up the road. Sadly I came across Mark Brummell's accident yesterday 5mins after it happened and had words with the driver before the emergency services arrived. The cyclist was being attended to by a 3 people and everything looked under control. However the damage to the car windscreen suggested the impact was severe. When I looped past again 25mins later 2 ambulances were just leaving the scene and I spoke a Policeman about the dangers of such junctions. He said he was 'always being called out to these'. I've had to take serious evasive action twice at that same junction in the past year. Off to lay some flowers at the scene. Anyone who rides a bike in the forrest should contact Hampshire County Council and tell them these junctions need to be made safe. It could be easily done with a speed bump on each give way line. An afternoons work.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - I feel the Police sometimes let drivers of easily. I was knocked of my bike by a car driver opening her door whilst I was on (of all places) a cycling path. She had parked on double yellow lines whilst in a bus stop, what did the Police do, nothing. Had to use a lawyer in the end in which she was found at fault. So why no charges from the Police. There are also NIMBY's trying to campaign to keep cyclists out of the Forest and onto these dangerous roads. This is a tradgedy and surely enough is enough and somethinh needs to be done. The Salv
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11:45pm Tue 29 May 12

saintjak says...

Stillness wrote:
saintjak wrote:
Mark drank in my local and was a nice, intelligent guy. which is lot more than can be said for a lot of the scum that reside in southampton these days.

Sad to lose someone who was a benefit to the comunity.

RIP Mark

And i'll repeat what a few have already said on here, show some bloody respect
Do you think you are setting an example of respect? It is said that what you hate most in others is a reflection of what you hate most in yourself. It looks like you are proving the point.
- not worthy of a response -

RIP Mark
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintjak[/bold] wrote: Mark drank in my local and was a nice, intelligent guy. which is lot more than can be said for a lot of the scum that reside in southampton these days. Sad to lose someone who was a benefit to the comunity. RIP Mark And i'll repeat what a few have already said on here, show some bloody respect[/p][/quote]Do you think you are setting an example of respect? It is said that what you hate most in others is a reflection of what you hate most in yourself. It looks like you are proving the point.[/p][/quote]- not worthy of a response - RIP Mark saintjak
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9:23am Wed 30 May 12

Stillness says...

saintjak wrote:
Stillness wrote:
saintjak wrote:
Mark drank in my local and was a nice, intelligent guy. which is lot more than can be said for a lot of the scum that reside in southampton these days.

Sad to lose someone who was a benefit to the comunity.

RIP Mark

And i'll repeat what a few have already said on here, show some bloody respect
Do you think you are setting an example of respect? It is said that what you hate most in others is a reflection of what you hate most in yourself. It looks like you are proving the point.
- not worthy of a response -

RIP Mark
So why did you?
[quote][p][bold]saintjak[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintjak[/bold] wrote: Mark drank in my local and was a nice, intelligent guy. which is lot more than can be said for a lot of the scum that reside in southampton these days. Sad to lose someone who was a benefit to the comunity. RIP Mark And i'll repeat what a few have already said on here, show some bloody respect[/p][/quote]Do you think you are setting an example of respect? It is said that what you hate most in others is a reflection of what you hate most in yourself. It looks like you are proving the point.[/p][/quote]- not worthy of a response - RIP Mark[/p][/quote]So why did you? Stillness
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10:59am Wed 30 May 12

adkinsredarmy says...

saintjak wrote:
Mark drank in my local and was a nice, intelligent guy. which is lot more than can be said for a lot of the scum that reside in southampton these days. Sad to lose someone who was a benefit to the comunity. RIP Mark And i'll repeat what a few have already said on here, show some bloody respect
I drink there as well, even though i did not Know Mark well, i know he will be missed by many, many people.

My heart goes to his family during this sad time
[quote][p][bold]saintjak[/bold] wrote: Mark drank in my local and was a nice, intelligent guy. which is lot more than can be said for a lot of the scum that reside in southampton these days. Sad to lose someone who was a benefit to the comunity. RIP Mark And i'll repeat what a few have already said on here, show some bloody respect[/p][/quote]I drink there as well, even though i did not Know Mark well, i know he will be missed by many, many people. My heart goes to his family during this sad time adkinsredarmy
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11:12am Wed 30 May 12

adkinsredarmy says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
The Salv wrote: When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.
I have no attitude or anger towards cyclists but I did wonder this morning on my way to work (Allington Lane-Eastleigh) why so many cyclists choose to weave in and out of traffic when,on the Bishopstoke Road,there are cycle lanes on both sides of the road (on the pavement)?.
I dont want to take anything away from the sad news about Mark, but as a cyclist and car driver myself this comment needs a truthfull answer.

Its motorists attitudes like this (not yours but in general) that put many cyclists in danger everyday. It does not matter if there are cycle lanes they are NOT compulsery and are more often than not more dangerous than the road. for many reasons, i hope the echo can start pushing mps to help make roads safer for all users.

And yes i agree some cyclists wind drivers up but it does not give a valid reason to take it out on other cyclists. which happens as i know i have never met some people butthey still think i should bee just rammed aside. (not in relation to this accident as im unaware of any facts and will not comment untill after the police investigation is released)
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.[/p][/quote]I have no attitude or anger towards cyclists but I did wonder this morning on my way to work (Allington Lane-Eastleigh) why so many cyclists choose to weave in and out of traffic when,on the Bishopstoke Road,there are cycle lanes on both sides of the road (on the pavement)?.[/p][/quote]I dont want to take anything away from the sad news about Mark, but as a cyclist and car driver myself this comment needs a truthfull answer. Its motorists attitudes like this (not yours but in general) that put many cyclists in danger everyday. It does not matter if there are cycle lanes they are NOT compulsery and are more often than not more dangerous than the road. for many reasons, i hope the echo can start pushing mps to help make roads safer for all users. And yes i agree some cyclists wind drivers up but it does not give a valid reason to take it out on other cyclists. which happens as i know i have never met some people butthey still think i should bee just rammed aside. (not in relation to this accident as im unaware of any facts and will not comment untill after the police investigation is released) adkinsredarmy
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2:13pm Wed 30 May 12

100%HANTSBOY says...

adkinsredarmy wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
The Salv wrote: When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.
I have no attitude or anger towards cyclists but I did wonder this morning on my way to work (Allington Lane-Eastleigh) why so many cyclists choose to weave in and out of traffic when,on the Bishopstoke Road,there are cycle lanes on both sides of the road (on the pavement)?.
I dont want to take anything away from the sad news about Mark, but as a cyclist and car driver myself this comment needs a truthfull answer.

Its motorists attitudes like this (not yours but in general) that put many cyclists in danger everyday. It does not matter if there are cycle lanes they are NOT compulsery and are more often than not more dangerous than the road. for many reasons, i hope the echo can start pushing mps to help make roads safer for all users.

And yes i agree some cyclists wind drivers up but it does not give a valid reason to take it out on other cyclists. which happens as i know i have never met some people butthey still think i should bee just rammed aside. (not in relation to this accident as im unaware of any facts and will not comment untill after the police investigation is released)
I'm not sure who this is aimed at but as I wrote I have no attitude or anger toward cyclists,but I think what I was trying to say,if it was a toss up between cycling on a busy road or using the cycle lanes which are on the specially widened pavement,to incorporate pedestrians as well,I would choose the latter.
You say that cyclists are not forced to use cycle lanes,but why wouldn't they?Then you go on to ask people to get their MPs to make roads safer.
If they did a survey on roads with cycle lanes and saw that only 30-50% of cyclists used them,would they spend precious funds installing new one's elsewhere?
[quote][p][bold]adkinsredarmy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.[/p][/quote]I have no attitude or anger towards cyclists but I did wonder this morning on my way to work (Allington Lane-Eastleigh) why so many cyclists choose to weave in and out of traffic when,on the Bishopstoke Road,there are cycle lanes on both sides of the road (on the pavement)?.[/p][/quote]I dont want to take anything away from the sad news about Mark, but as a cyclist and car driver myself this comment needs a truthfull answer. Its motorists attitudes like this (not yours but in general) that put many cyclists in danger everyday. It does not matter if there are cycle lanes they are NOT compulsery and are more often than not more dangerous than the road. for many reasons, i hope the echo can start pushing mps to help make roads safer for all users. And yes i agree some cyclists wind drivers up but it does not give a valid reason to take it out on other cyclists. which happens as i know i have never met some people butthey still think i should bee just rammed aside. (not in relation to this accident as im unaware of any facts and will not comment untill after the police investigation is released)[/p][/quote]I'm not sure who this is aimed at but as I wrote I have no attitude or anger toward cyclists,but I think what I was trying to say,if it was a toss up between cycling on a busy road or using the cycle lanes which are on the specially widened pavement,to incorporate pedestrians as well,I would choose the latter. You say that cyclists are not forced to use cycle lanes,but why wouldn't they?Then you go on to ask people to get their MPs to make roads safer. If they did a survey on roads with cycle lanes and saw that only 30-50% of cyclists used them,would they spend precious funds installing new one's elsewhere? 100%HANTSBOY
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5:20pm Wed 30 May 12

downfader says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
adkinsredarmy wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
The Salv wrote: When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.
I have no attitude or anger towards cyclists but I did wonder this morning on my way to work (Allington Lane-Eastleigh) why so many cyclists choose to weave in and out of traffic when,on the Bishopstoke Road,there are cycle lanes on both sides of the road (on the pavement)?.
I dont want to take anything away from the sad news about Mark, but as a cyclist and car driver myself this comment needs a truthfull answer.

Its motorists attitudes like this (not yours but in general) that put many cyclists in danger everyday. It does not matter if there are cycle lanes they are NOT compulsery and are more often than not more dangerous than the road. for many reasons, i hope the echo can start pushing mps to help make roads safer for all users.

And yes i agree some cyclists wind drivers up but it does not give a valid reason to take it out on other cyclists. which happens as i know i have never met some people butthey still think i should bee just rammed aside. (not in relation to this accident as im unaware of any facts and will not comment untill after the police investigation is released)
I'm not sure who this is aimed at but as I wrote I have no attitude or anger toward cyclists,but I think what I was trying to say,if it was a toss up between cycling on a busy road or using the cycle lanes which are on the specially widened pavement,to incorporate pedestrians as well,I would choose the latter.
You say that cyclists are not forced to use cycle lanes,but why wouldn't they?Then you go on to ask people to get their MPs to make roads safer.
If they did a survey on roads with cycle lanes and saw that only 30-50% of cyclists used them,would they spend precious funds installing new one's elsewhere?
Have you tried riding a bicycle on any of these facilities? Genuine question.

They are a fob-off that are failing not just cyclists but often pedestrians too. The moment you bring in compulsion for cycle paths you'll get what happened in Ireland - they get back in the car.
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adkinsredarmy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.[/p][/quote]I have no attitude or anger towards cyclists but I did wonder this morning on my way to work (Allington Lane-Eastleigh) why so many cyclists choose to weave in and out of traffic when,on the Bishopstoke Road,there are cycle lanes on both sides of the road (on the pavement)?.[/p][/quote]I dont want to take anything away from the sad news about Mark, but as a cyclist and car driver myself this comment needs a truthfull answer. Its motorists attitudes like this (not yours but in general) that put many cyclists in danger everyday. It does not matter if there are cycle lanes they are NOT compulsery and are more often than not more dangerous than the road. for many reasons, i hope the echo can start pushing mps to help make roads safer for all users. And yes i agree some cyclists wind drivers up but it does not give a valid reason to take it out on other cyclists. which happens as i know i have never met some people butthey still think i should bee just rammed aside. (not in relation to this accident as im unaware of any facts and will not comment untill after the police investigation is released)[/p][/quote]I'm not sure who this is aimed at but as I wrote I have no attitude or anger toward cyclists,but I think what I was trying to say,if it was a toss up between cycling on a busy road or using the cycle lanes which are on the specially widened pavement,to incorporate pedestrians as well,I would choose the latter. You say that cyclists are not forced to use cycle lanes,but why wouldn't they?Then you go on to ask people to get their MPs to make roads safer. If they did a survey on roads with cycle lanes and saw that only 30-50% of cyclists used them,would they spend precious funds installing new one's elsewhere?[/p][/quote]Have you tried riding a bicycle on any of these facilities? Genuine question. They are a fob-off that are failing not just cyclists but often pedestrians too. The moment you bring in compulsion for cycle paths you'll get what happened in Ireland - they get back in the car. downfader
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2:03pm Fri 1 Jun 12

Fell Jogger says...

downfader wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
adkinsredarmy wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
The Salv wrote: When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.
I have no attitude or anger towards cyclists but I did wonder this morning on my way to work (Allington Lane-Eastleigh) why so many cyclists choose to weave in and out of traffic when,on the Bishopstoke Road,there are cycle lanes on both sides of the road (on the pavement)?.
I dont want to take anything away from the sad news about Mark, but as a cyclist and car driver myself this comment needs a truthfull answer.

Its motorists attitudes like this (not yours but in general) that put many cyclists in danger everyday. It does not matter if there are cycle lanes they are NOT compulsery and are more often than not more dangerous than the road. for many reasons, i hope the echo can start pushing mps to help make roads safer for all users.

And yes i agree some cyclists wind drivers up but it does not give a valid reason to take it out on other cyclists. which happens as i know i have never met some people butthey still think i should bee just rammed aside. (not in relation to this accident as im unaware of any facts and will not comment untill after the police investigation is released)
I'm not sure who this is aimed at but as I wrote I have no attitude or anger toward cyclists,but I think what I was trying to say,if it was a toss up between cycling on a busy road or using the cycle lanes which are on the specially widened pavement,to incorporate pedestrians as well,I would choose the latter.
You say that cyclists are not forced to use cycle lanes,but why wouldn't they?Then you go on to ask people to get their MPs to make roads safer.
If they did a survey on roads with cycle lanes and saw that only 30-50% of cyclists used them,would they spend precious funds installing new one's elsewhere?
Have you tried riding a bicycle on any of these facilities? Genuine question.

They are a fob-off that are failing not just cyclists but often pedestrians too. The moment you bring in compulsion for cycle paths you'll get what happened in Ireland - they get back in the car.
So-called "cycle-paths" on the pavement are inherently dangerous for both pedestrians and cyclists.
If committed cyclists like downfader and myself were to be compelled to use them there might be a reduction in cycling ... but there would also likely be an INCREASE in pedestrian fatalities and serious injuries.

In comments relating to the sad AND AVOIDABLE death of an respected and well-liked individual suggestions for use of cycle-paths are in very poor taste IMO
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adkinsredarmy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: When will this pathetic attitude towards cyclists end. Car drivers need to realise that they are in control of a dangerous vehicle capable of causing serious injury and death. Slow down, check your mirrors, give plenty of room to cyclists. So what if he overtook you earlier and you want to "get back at him". Stop being so pathetic and grow up because that attitude costs lives. I am not saying that is what happened here but it does happen.[/p][/quote]I have no attitude or anger towards cyclists but I did wonder this morning on my way to work (Allington Lane-Eastleigh) why so many cyclists choose to weave in and out of traffic when,on the Bishopstoke Road,there are cycle lanes on both sides of the road (on the pavement)?.[/p][/quote]I dont want to take anything away from the sad news about Mark, but as a cyclist and car driver myself this comment needs a truthfull answer. Its motorists attitudes like this (not yours but in general) that put many cyclists in danger everyday. It does not matter if there are cycle lanes they are NOT compulsery and are more often than not more dangerous than the road. for many reasons, i hope the echo can start pushing mps to help make roads safer for all users. And yes i agree some cyclists wind drivers up but it does not give a valid reason to take it out on other cyclists. which happens as i know i have never met some people butthey still think i should bee just rammed aside. (not in relation to this accident as im unaware of any facts and will not comment untill after the police investigation is released)[/p][/quote]I'm not sure who this is aimed at but as I wrote I have no attitude or anger toward cyclists,but I think what I was trying to say,if it was a toss up between cycling on a busy road or using the cycle lanes which are on the specially widened pavement,to incorporate pedestrians as well,I would choose the latter. You say that cyclists are not forced to use cycle lanes,but why wouldn't they?Then you go on to ask people to get their MPs to make roads safer. If they did a survey on roads with cycle lanes and saw that only 30-50% of cyclists used them,would they spend precious funds installing new one's elsewhere?[/p][/quote]Have you tried riding a bicycle on any of these facilities? Genuine question. They are a fob-off that are failing not just cyclists but often pedestrians too. The moment you bring in compulsion for cycle paths you'll get what happened in Ireland - they get back in the car.[/p][/quote]So-called "cycle-paths" on the pavement are inherently dangerous for both pedestrians and cyclists. If committed cyclists like downfader and myself were to be compelled to use them there might be a reduction in cycling ... but there would also likely be an INCREASE in pedestrian fatalities and serious injuries. In comments relating to the sad AND AVOIDABLE death of an respected and well-liked individual suggestions for use of cycle-paths are in very poor taste IMO Fell Jogger
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11:58am Sat 2 Jun 12

Two-wheeler says...

It's a pity this thread has diverged from sympathising after a tragic accident, but like some of the other cyclists that have posted on here, I'd like to express the view that so-called cycle-paths on what are essentially pavements are of limited value and are counter-productive in the sense that car drivers see cyclists as belonging on them, and come to resent them anywhere else.

Cycling between 20 and 30mph, I believe I belong with traffic and not with children, dogs, prams, zimmer frames and all manner of often inconsiderate/oblivi
ous pedestrians.

If they have a function, it is to enable folk to shepherd their children to school in safety, or to allow shopper-bike riders to pop to the local shops likewise.

For cycling/commuting any distance they're largely useless. Whenever there's a pinch-point or other road difficulty, you usually find that cycle-paths "End", with a sign saying "Cyclists Dismount". Then what are we supposed to do? Have you tried walking in cleats?

Unlike many other countries, we don't engineer proper cycle lanes. They seem to me to be marked out by people who've not pedalled since their parents took the stabilisers off their Fairy cycles. The worst thing about our cycle-paths just being pavements with cycle symbols painted on them is that many people can't see the difference between them and regular pavements. This results in some people cycling on pavements where they shouldn't, and in drivers not understanding why cyclists don't always cycle on the pavement "where they belong".

Motorists puzzled by the appearance of cyclists on the road where there are "perfectly good cycle-paths" should surely be able to work out that there's a problem. We're only too well aware of our vulnerability, so it should be clear that we're not simply being perverse.

The CTC, British Cycling and other pressure groups are starting to make a difference, but there's a long way to go. Mark Brummell was obviously a leading light in promoting cycling, and it's as ironic as it is tragic that his life should have been cut short in this way. Cycle paths were apparently not an issue in this case, but careless driving and poor road engineering would seem to have been.
It's a pity this thread has diverged from sympathising after a tragic accident, but like some of the other cyclists that have posted on here, I'd like to express the view that so-called cycle-paths on what are essentially pavements are of limited value and are counter-productive in the sense that car drivers see cyclists as belonging on them, and come to resent them anywhere else. Cycling between 20 and 30mph, I believe I belong with traffic and not with children, dogs, prams, zimmer frames and all manner of often inconsiderate/oblivi ous pedestrians. If they have a function, it is to enable folk to shepherd their children to school in safety, or to allow shopper-bike riders to pop to the local shops likewise. For cycling/commuting any distance they're largely useless. Whenever there's a pinch-point or other road difficulty, you usually find that cycle-paths "End", with a sign saying "Cyclists Dismount". Then what are we supposed to do? Have you tried walking in cleats? Unlike many other countries, we don't engineer proper cycle lanes. They seem to me to be marked out by people who've not pedalled since their parents took the stabilisers off their Fairy cycles. The worst thing about our cycle-paths just being pavements with cycle symbols painted on them is that many people can't see the difference between them and regular pavements. This results in some people cycling on pavements where they shouldn't, and in drivers not understanding why cyclists don't always cycle on the pavement "where they belong". Motorists puzzled by the appearance of cyclists on the road where there are "perfectly good cycle-paths" should surely be able to work out that there's a problem. We're only too well aware of our vulnerability, so it should be clear that we're not simply being perverse. The CTC, British Cycling and other pressure groups are starting to make a difference, but there's a long way to go. Mark Brummell was obviously a leading light in promoting cycling, and it's as ironic as it is tragic that his life should have been cut short in this way. Cycle paths were apparently not an issue in this case, but careless driving and poor road engineering would seem to have been. Two-wheeler
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