Tory bid to oust Southampton Labour council leader

Daily Echo: Tories demand special meeting over claims Labour leader misled the public Tories demand special meeting over claims Labour leader misled the public

OPPOSITION Tories are demanding an emergency council meeting over claims Southampton’s new Labour council leader misled the public about the resignation of a Cabinet member to avoid political embarrassment.

Conservatives want a meeting to force a motion of no confidence in councillor Richard Williams and remove him as leader for “bringing the council into disrepute”.

Cllr Williams, who yesterday returned to the Civic Centre after spending a week in Brussels on a work trip, welcomed the opportunity to clear up any “confusion”.

He faces a grilling over his announcement of the resignation of his efficiency tsar Cllr Keith Morrell – just two weeks into the job.

In a statement issued through the council Cllr Williams had said Cllr Morrell had quit on health grounds. But within days Cllr Morrell admitted it was a “fiction” he said he had agreed to with Cllr Williams after the leader himself threatened to quit.

Cllr Morrell said he was in fact fighting fit and could not keep up the pretence when friends and family became concerned about his welfare.

The 63-year-old accountant said he had quit in a policy split over the savings and cuts he believes the cash-strapped council will have to make to plug a £46m budget deficit over the next two years.

Cllr Morrell said he had not been consulted on the statement about his resignation and was “amazed” when Cllr Williams then repeatedly denied he was given any other reasons other than ill health.

Five Con-servative councillors – Peter Baillie, Ivan White, John Hannides, John Inglis and Anthony Kolker – have petitioned the Labour mayor Derek Burke to hold an extraordinary council meeting within seven days to debate the saga.

If the mayor refuses they can re-petition under council rules to force one to be convened.

The requisition said: “In view of the real reason for the resignation of Councillor Morrell as Cabinet member for efficiency and innovation, being that he did not agree with the new Labour administration’s proposals to deal with the council’s budget problems and not that he was ill as publicly stated and repeated by the leader of the council, that the leader has brought the council into disrepute and accordingly the council has no confidence in him and resolves to remove him from the office of leader”.

Opposition Tory leader Royston Smith said: “We want to make sure we have all the information in the public domain to get to the bottom of which of these two councillors, elected to an office of trust, is telling the truth.”

Labour councillors were initially gagged by regional party bosses from speaking to the press about the “Morrell story” but later said they had full confidence in Cllr Williams.

Left wing life-time Labour party man Cllr Morrell said he took the job of Cabinet member for efficiency with the intention of protecting jobs and services but could not defend what he called a “dismantling of local government.”

Cllr Williams said: “We want to be transparent. I will certainly support and welcome it. If they want to have that debate let’s get on and do it in the public eye.”

He said it would be a good way to clear up any “level of confusion”.

Cllr Morrell said he echoed Cllr Williams sentiments about a debate and said he stood by his claims.

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5:10pm Tue 12 Jun 12

The Watcher says...

Will someone please get a grip on the local party and get them to hold back on these ridiculous publicity stunts.
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The Conservative party should be above such infantile tactics and instead reflect on our defeat at the ballot box and look to debate and attack Labour policies.
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Our leadership and priorities are all wrong!
Will someone please get a grip on the local party and get them to hold back on these ridiculous publicity stunts. . The Conservative party should be above such infantile tactics and instead reflect on our defeat at the ballot box and look to debate and attack Labour policies. . Our leadership and priorities are all wrong! The Watcher
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5:22pm Tue 12 Jun 12

Linesman says...

I would have thought that it is an entirely internal matter for the Labour Party.

Did the Tories consider that they were misleading the public when they had internal disputes?

Surely there must be more important matters that should be occupying their minds.
I would have thought that it is an entirely internal matter for the Labour Party. Did the Tories consider that they were misleading the public when they had internal disputes? Surely there must be more important matters that should be occupying their minds. Linesman
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5:56pm Tue 12 Jun 12

On the inside says...

Southampton City Council = 48 Councillors.

Labour = 30

Tories = 16

Lib-Dems = 2

How do we think that vote is going to go then?

What a waste of public money by the infantile Royston Smith. Why should his short man syndrome cost Southampton citizens money?
Southampton City Council = 48 Councillors. Labour = 30 Tories = 16 Lib-Dems = 2 How do we think that vote is going to go then? What a waste of public money by the infantile Royston Smith. Why should his short man syndrome cost Southampton citizens money? On the inside
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6:17pm Tue 12 Jun 12

andysaints007 says...

Linesman wrote:
I would have thought that it is an entirely internal matter for the Labour Party.

Did the Tories consider that they were misleading the public when they had internal disputes?

Surely there must be more important matters that should be occupying their minds.
It's not 'internal' though is it! When you lie in a public statement then it becomes another matter altogether.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I would have thought that it is an entirely internal matter for the Labour Party. Did the Tories consider that they were misleading the public when they had internal disputes? Surely there must be more important matters that should be occupying their minds.[/p][/quote]It's not 'internal' though is it! When you lie in a public statement then it becomes another matter altogether. andysaints007
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7:10pm Tue 12 Jun 12

Ant Smoking MP says...

How desperate is Cllr Smith to be in the Echo. Inventing any old issue to see his name in lights.The biggest mystery though is not who said what between Williams and Morrell but how did the ex Council Leader and his party lose over 5000 votes to Labour on May 3rd. From hero to zero!!
How desperate is Cllr Smith to be in the Echo. Inventing any old issue to see his name in lights.The biggest mystery though is not who said what between Williams and Morrell but how did the ex Council Leader and his party lose over 5000 votes to Labour on May 3rd. From hero to zero!! Ant Smoking MP
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7:14pm Tue 12 Jun 12

Ant Smoking MP says...

On the inside wrote:
Southampton City Council = 48 Councillors.

Labour = 30

Tories = 16

Lib-Dems = 2

How do we think that vote is going to go then?

What a waste of public money by the infantile Royston Smith. Why should his short man syndrome cost Southampton citizens money?
Maths isnt Cllr Smith's strong point. Remember we werent supposed to have any money left, or so he told the unions, yet he found £1.1 million to hire contractor binmen and £600'000 to fight the unions tribunal case (a c*ck up caused by his administration!!)
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Southampton City Council = 48 Councillors. Labour = 30 Tories = 16 Lib-Dems = 2 How do we think that vote is going to go then? What a waste of public money by the infantile Royston Smith. Why should his short man syndrome cost Southampton citizens money?[/p][/quote]Maths isnt Cllr Smith's strong point. Remember we werent supposed to have any money left, or so he told the unions, yet he found £1.1 million to hire contractor binmen and £600'000 to fight the unions tribunal case (a c*ck up caused by his administration!!) Ant Smoking MP
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7:16pm Tue 12 Jun 12

jazzi says...

Tories = sore losers !!
Tories = sore losers !! jazzi
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7:17pm Tue 12 Jun 12

redsnapper says...

Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!!

There ain#t no such animal!!
Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!! There ain#t no such animal!! redsnapper
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7:50pm Tue 12 Jun 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Quite interesting,.... i always disputed what Cllr Smith did as council leader as to whether it was in the interest of the City and its residents or just to inflate his ego.
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I still ask that question now .... Is this for the City or Smith ???
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If we are to have an open debate on this can we also have a Public Hearing on the following.
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1/ .. Why was £10m of taxpayers money used to prop up the Sea Museum ....... Despite assurances that it would not.
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2/ .. Why was the decision made to enter into a £50m contract for CCTV despite the Tories having lost the election.
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3/ .. Can we also find out PUBLICLY why Hannides changed the rules of the Spitfire Memorial AFTER the finalist designs and designers were chosen.
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Cllrs Peter Baillie, Ivan White, John Hannides, John Inglis and Anthony Kolker and Royston Smith .... i ask again ....... Is this in the interest of the City and its people or just for YOUR PERSONAL SATISFACTION
Quite interesting,.... i always disputed what Cllr Smith did as council leader as to whether it was in the interest of the City and its residents or just to inflate his ego. . I still ask that question now .... Is this for the City or Smith ??? . If we are to have an open debate on this can we also have a Public Hearing on the following. . 1/ .. Why was £10m of taxpayers money used to prop up the Sea Museum ....... Despite assurances that it would not. . 2/ .. Why was the decision made to enter into a £50m contract for CCTV despite the Tories having lost the election. . 3/ .. Can we also find out PUBLICLY why Hannides changed the rules of the Spitfire Memorial AFTER the finalist designs and designers were chosen. . Cllrs Peter Baillie, Ivan White, John Hannides, John Inglis and Anthony Kolker and Royston Smith .... i ask again ....... Is this in the interest of the City and its people or just for YOUR PERSONAL SATISFACTION Lone Ranger.
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8:04pm Tue 12 Jun 12

G-man1 says...

This Labour lot look to be a useless and deceitful bunch but for the Tories to be moaning about them "bringing the council into disrepute" is pretty rich. When has a Tory politician been reputable... Hunt, Archer, The Hamiltons. The list is endless
This Labour lot look to be a useless and deceitful bunch but for the Tories to be moaning about them "bringing the council into disrepute" is pretty rich. When has a Tory politician been reputable... Hunt, Archer, The Hamiltons. The list is endless G-man1
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8:31pm Tue 12 Jun 12

HillsidePaul says...

Cllr Morell is not up to the job so he invents a reason to resign.

It's not difficult and we don't need an expensive full Council meeting for Royston to shed crocodile tears at our expense.
Cllr Morell is not up to the job so he invents a reason to resign. It's not difficult and we don't need an expensive full Council meeting for Royston to shed crocodile tears at our expense. HillsidePaul
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8:45pm Tue 12 Jun 12

The Salv says...

andysaints007 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
I would have thought that it is an entirely internal matter for the Labour Party.

Did the Tories consider that they were misleading the public when they had internal disputes?

Surely there must be more important matters that should be occupying their minds.
It's not 'internal' though is it! When you lie in a public statement then it becomes another matter altogether.
Exactley - facts are had to take for some people...
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I would have thought that it is an entirely internal matter for the Labour Party. Did the Tories consider that they were misleading the public when they had internal disputes? Surely there must be more important matters that should be occupying their minds.[/p][/quote]It's not 'internal' though is it! When you lie in a public statement then it becomes another matter altogether.[/p][/quote]Exactley - facts are had to take for some people... The Salv
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8:48pm Tue 12 Jun 12

The Salv says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quite interesting,.... i always disputed what Cllr Smith did as council leader as to whether it was in the interest of the City and its residents or just to inflate his ego.
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I still ask that question now .... Is this for the City or Smith ???
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If we are to have an open debate on this can we also have a Public Hearing on the following.
.
1/ .. Why was £10m of taxpayers money used to prop up the Sea Museum ....... Despite assurances that it would not.
.
2/ .. Why was the decision made to enter into a £50m contract for CCTV despite the Tories having lost the election.
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3/ .. Can we also find out PUBLICLY why Hannides changed the rules of the Spitfire Memorial AFTER the finalist designs and designers were chosen.
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Cllrs Peter Baillie, Ivan White, John Hannides, John Inglis and Anthony Kolker and Royston Smith .... i ask again ....... Is this in the interest of the City and its people or just for YOUR PERSONAL SATISFACTION
I would really go see someone about your random shouting out words thing! Your scaring the kids.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quite interesting,.... i always disputed what Cllr Smith did as council leader as to whether it was in the interest of the City and its residents or just to inflate his ego. . I still ask that question now .... Is this for the City or Smith ??? . If we are to have an open debate on this can we also have a Public Hearing on the following. . 1/ .. Why was £10m of taxpayers money used to prop up the Sea Museum ....... Despite assurances that it would not. . 2/ .. Why was the decision made to enter into a £50m contract for CCTV despite the Tories having lost the election. . 3/ .. Can we also find out PUBLICLY why Hannides changed the rules of the Spitfire Memorial AFTER the finalist designs and designers were chosen. . Cllrs Peter Baillie, Ivan White, John Hannides, John Inglis and Anthony Kolker and Royston Smith .... i ask again ....... Is this in the interest of the City and its people or just for YOUR PERSONAL SATISFACTION[/p][/quote]I would really go see someone about your random shouting out words thing! Your scaring the kids. The Salv
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8:52pm Tue 12 Jun 12

Lone Ranger. says...

The Salv wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quite interesting,.... i always disputed what Cllr Smith did as council leader as to whether it was in the interest of the City and its residents or just to inflate his ego.
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I still ask that question now .... Is this for the City or Smith ???
.
If we are to have an open debate on this can we also have a Public Hearing on the following.
.
1/ .. Why was £10m of taxpayers money used to prop up the Sea Museum ....... Despite assurances that it would not.
.
2/ .. Why was the decision made to enter into a £50m contract for CCTV despite the Tories having lost the election.
.
3/ .. Can we also find out PUBLICLY why Hannides changed the rules of the Spitfire Memorial AFTER the finalist designs and designers were chosen.
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Cllrs Peter Baillie, Ivan White, John Hannides, John Inglis and Anthony Kolker and Royston Smith .... i ask again ....... Is this in the interest of the City and its people or just for YOUR PERSONAL SATISFACTION
I would really go see someone about your random shouting out words thing! Your scaring the kids.
Just shouting to get myself heard. I dont think that you will find that there is anything grammatically wrong with it ..... The shouting i mean .....
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But thanks for noticing it .... You see it does work
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quite interesting,.... i always disputed what Cllr Smith did as council leader as to whether it was in the interest of the City and its residents or just to inflate his ego. . I still ask that question now .... Is this for the City or Smith ??? . If we are to have an open debate on this can we also have a Public Hearing on the following. . 1/ .. Why was £10m of taxpayers money used to prop up the Sea Museum ....... Despite assurances that it would not. . 2/ .. Why was the decision made to enter into a £50m contract for CCTV despite the Tories having lost the election. . 3/ .. Can we also find out PUBLICLY why Hannides changed the rules of the Spitfire Memorial AFTER the finalist designs and designers were chosen. . Cllrs Peter Baillie, Ivan White, John Hannides, John Inglis and Anthony Kolker and Royston Smith .... i ask again ....... Is this in the interest of the City and its people or just for YOUR PERSONAL SATISFACTION[/p][/quote]I would really go see someone about your random shouting out words thing! Your scaring the kids.[/p][/quote]Just shouting to get myself heard. I dont think that you will find that there is anything grammatically wrong with it ..... The shouting i mean ..... . But thanks for noticing it .... You see it does work Lone Ranger.
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9:14pm Tue 12 Jun 12

The Salv says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
The Salv wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quite interesting,.... i always disputed what Cllr Smith did as council leader as to whether it was in the interest of the City and its residents or just to inflate his ego.
.
I still ask that question now .... Is this for the City or Smith ???
.
If we are to have an open debate on this can we also have a Public Hearing on the following.
.
1/ .. Why was £10m of taxpayers money used to prop up the Sea Museum ....... Despite assurances that it would not.
.
2/ .. Why was the decision made to enter into a £50m contract for CCTV despite the Tories having lost the election.
.
3/ .. Can we also find out PUBLICLY why Hannides changed the rules of the Spitfire Memorial AFTER the finalist designs and designers were chosen.
.
Cllrs Peter Baillie, Ivan White, John Hannides, John Inglis and Anthony Kolker and Royston Smith .... i ask again ....... Is this in the interest of the City and its people or just for YOUR PERSONAL SATISFACTION
I would really go see someone about your random shouting out words thing! Your scaring the kids.
Just shouting to get myself heard. I dont think that you will find that there is anything grammatically wrong with it ..... The shouting i mean .....
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But thanks for noticing it .... You see it does work
We will start to worry when you start shouting out BISCUITS between sentences!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quite interesting,.... i always disputed what Cllr Smith did as council leader as to whether it was in the interest of the City and its residents or just to inflate his ego. . I still ask that question now .... Is this for the City or Smith ??? . If we are to have an open debate on this can we also have a Public Hearing on the following. . 1/ .. Why was £10m of taxpayers money used to prop up the Sea Museum ....... Despite assurances that it would not. . 2/ .. Why was the decision made to enter into a £50m contract for CCTV despite the Tories having lost the election. . 3/ .. Can we also find out PUBLICLY why Hannides changed the rules of the Spitfire Memorial AFTER the finalist designs and designers were chosen. . Cllrs Peter Baillie, Ivan White, John Hannides, John Inglis and Anthony Kolker and Royston Smith .... i ask again ....... Is this in the interest of the City and its people or just for YOUR PERSONAL SATISFACTION[/p][/quote]I would really go see someone about your random shouting out words thing! Your scaring the kids.[/p][/quote]Just shouting to get myself heard. I dont think that you will find that there is anything grammatically wrong with it ..... The shouting i mean ..... . But thanks for noticing it .... You see it does work[/p][/quote]We will start to worry when you start shouting out BISCUITS between sentences! The Salv
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9:29pm Tue 12 Jun 12

loosehead says...

Surely all you Labour supporters should welcome an open debate where the truth comes out & you can actually say who the liar(s) are is it Morrel is it Barnes Andrews? or is it Williams?
instead of being gagged or are you scared that your beloved leader will be shown to be a liar?
If so will the public vote for you in two years again?
stop carping on about Royston & answer the question we've all been asking you who's the liar(s) & why w3ere they lying?
Surely all you Labour supporters should welcome an open debate where the truth comes out & you can actually say who the liar(s) are is it Morrel is it Barnes Andrews? or is it Williams? instead of being gagged or are you scared that your beloved leader will be shown to be a liar? If so will the public vote for you in two years again? stop carping on about Royston & answer the question we've all been asking you who's the liar(s) & why w3ere they lying? loosehead
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11:05pm Tue 12 Jun 12

George4th says...

The only question you need to ask is why the City of Southampton fell so far behind every major town/city in the South of England.
The answer is Labour Councils. It doesn't take a genius to work out that Labour has failed the good citizens of Southampton, and they will again!
The only question you need to ask is why the City of Southampton fell so far behind every major town/city in the South of England. The answer is Labour Councils. It doesn't take a genius to work out that Labour has failed the good citizens of Southampton, and they will again! George4th
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11:05pm Tue 12 Jun 12

George4th says...

The only question you need to ask is why the City of Southampton fell so far behind every major town/city in the South of England.
The answer is Labour Councils. It doesn't take a genius to work out that Labour has failed the good citizens of Southampton, and they will again!
The only question you need to ask is why the City of Southampton fell so far behind every major town/city in the South of England. The answer is Labour Councils. It doesn't take a genius to work out that Labour has failed the good citizens of Southampton, and they will again! George4th
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11:46pm Tue 12 Jun 12

Condor Man says...

I think this is a valid move, it's clear that the local Labour party is disjointed and probably needs better leadership. The city deserves better leadership.
I think this is a valid move, it's clear that the local Labour party is disjointed and probably needs better leadership. The city deserves better leadership. Condor Man
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12:16am Wed 13 Jun 12

mrblunt says...

While they all 'tit-for-tat', who is dealing with the main issues of doing the best for the residents of the City
It appears no one, and one party is doing it's best to sabotage the other at the expense of the electorate.
Shame on you all !!
While they all 'tit-for-tat', who is dealing with the main issues of doing the best for the residents of the City It appears no one, and one party is doing it's best to sabotage the other at the expense of the electorate. Shame on you all !! mrblunt
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1:00am Wed 13 Jun 12

hook-nose says...

Those Tories really tire me... I have never met a man as nice as Dr Richard Williams. Please give this excellent man a chance!
Those Tories really tire me... I have never met a man as nice as Dr Richard Williams. Please give this excellent man a chance! hook-nose
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2:37am Wed 13 Jun 12

Stdenysta says...

That'll be the same Royston Smith that wants "all of the information in the public domaim" that stood as an Independent, and turned Tory as soon as he was elected then?
That'll be the same Royston Smith that wants "all of the information in the public domaim" that stood as an Independent, and turned Tory as soon as he was elected then? Stdenysta
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6:12am Wed 13 Jun 12

OceansofRed says...

Goodness me there is some rubbish spoken on here.

1)I checked the claims of St Densys ta and Royston Smith was only ever elected as a Tory cllr.

2)Sea City Museum and the CCTV contract. The council has an inquiry panel, it is called the overview and scrutiny panel. I believe it looked at the CCTV contract. There were plenty of questions asked by Labour about Sea City. And now they run the council so if there was anything dodgy don't you think they would release it?

3)Councillors should present the facts to the public. In the same way that Labour when they were the opposition asked questions of the Tory council and in the same way the Unions went on strike and protested against what they saw as an attack on workers rights, so have the Tories the right, indeed the public also to demand to know which councillor was telling the truth.

I would have thought the Labour party mouth pieces on here would agree with their Leader Dr Cllr Williams who says he welcomes it! If he welcomes it and feels he has nothing to hide then why are the Labour supporters on here getting themselves into a right state?
Goodness me there is some rubbish spoken on here. 1)I checked the claims of St Densys ta and Royston Smith was only ever elected as a Tory cllr. 2)Sea City Museum and the CCTV contract. The council has an inquiry panel, it is called the overview and scrutiny panel. I believe it looked at the CCTV contract. There were plenty of questions asked by Labour about Sea City. And now they run the council so if there was anything dodgy don't you think they would release it? 3)Councillors should present the facts to the public. In the same way that Labour when they were the opposition asked questions of the Tory council and in the same way the Unions went on strike and protested against what they saw as an attack on workers rights, so have the Tories the right, indeed the public also to demand to know which councillor was telling the truth. I would have thought the Labour party mouth pieces on here would agree with their Leader Dr Cllr Williams who says he welcomes it! If he welcomes it and feels he has nothing to hide then why are the Labour supporters on here getting themselves into a right state? OceansofRed
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6:28am Wed 13 Jun 12

loosehead says...

OceansofRed wrote:
Goodness me there is some rubbish spoken on here.

1)I checked the claims of St Densys ta and Royston Smith was only ever elected as a Tory cllr.

2)Sea City Museum and the CCTV contract. The council has an inquiry panel, it is called the overview and scrutiny panel. I believe it looked at the CCTV contract. There were plenty of questions asked by Labour about Sea City. And now they run the council so if there was anything dodgy don't you think they would release it?

3)Councillors should present the facts to the public. In the same way that Labour when they were the opposition asked questions of the Tory council and in the same way the Unions went on strike and protested against what they saw as an attack on workers rights, so have the Tories the right, indeed the public also to demand to know which councillor was telling the truth.

I would have thought the Labour party mouth pieces on here would agree with their Leader Dr Cllr Williams who says he welcomes it! If he welcomes it and feels he has nothing to hide then why are the Labour supporters on here getting themselves into a right state?
Because this is the same Dr Williams who gave an interview with the Echo only to retract it saying the Echo weren't saying the truth only for Barnes Andrews to resign from the shadow cabinet saying he didn't trust Williams over refuse collections?
These Labour supporters are worried about any future revelations so attack the previous administration to deflect attention from their leader
[quote][p][bold]OceansofRed[/bold] wrote: Goodness me there is some rubbish spoken on here. 1)I checked the claims of St Densys ta and Royston Smith was only ever elected as a Tory cllr. 2)Sea City Museum and the CCTV contract. The council has an inquiry panel, it is called the overview and scrutiny panel. I believe it looked at the CCTV contract. There were plenty of questions asked by Labour about Sea City. And now they run the council so if there was anything dodgy don't you think they would release it? 3)Councillors should present the facts to the public. In the same way that Labour when they were the opposition asked questions of the Tory council and in the same way the Unions went on strike and protested against what they saw as an attack on workers rights, so have the Tories the right, indeed the public also to demand to know which councillor was telling the truth. I would have thought the Labour party mouth pieces on here would agree with their Leader Dr Cllr Williams who says he welcomes it! If he welcomes it and feels he has nothing to hide then why are the Labour supporters on here getting themselves into a right state?[/p][/quote]Because this is the same Dr Williams who gave an interview with the Echo only to retract it saying the Echo weren't saying the truth only for Barnes Andrews to resign from the shadow cabinet saying he didn't trust Williams over refuse collections? These Labour supporters are worried about any future revelations so attack the previous administration to deflect attention from their leader loosehead
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7:38am Wed 13 Jun 12

Ant Smoking MP says...

Granted. Labour needs to get its act together and quickly. But I still find it a bit rich Tories taking the moral high ground on such issues as 'lying'!!
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Most of the Tories who post on here have comment riddled with inaccuracies and untruths so I find it hypocritical of them as well.
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Smith is just playing politics over the issue, something he is good at. It will also keep Smith and the Tories in the news. Something Smith is good at as well.
Granted. Labour needs to get its act together and quickly. But I still find it a bit rich Tories taking the moral high ground on such issues as 'lying'!! . Most of the Tories who post on here have comment riddled with inaccuracies and untruths so I find it hypocritical of them as well. . Smith is just playing politics over the issue, something he is good at. It will also keep Smith and the Tories in the news. Something Smith is good at as well. Ant Smoking MP
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9:00am Wed 13 Jun 12

Taskforce 141 says...

Royston just wants yet more publicity, and what he has achieved is proved what a petulant child he truly is!

I believe that there should be transparency with regard to information and decisions made by those elected to office but Royston and the Tory school boys have yet again embarrassed themselves and the city of Southampton.
Royston just wants yet more publicity, and what he has achieved is proved what a petulant child he truly is! I believe that there should be transparency with regard to information and decisions made by those elected to office but Royston and the Tory school boys have yet again embarrassed themselves and the city of Southampton. Taskforce 141
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9:40am Wed 13 Jun 12

misbehaving says...

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
Granted. Labour needs to get its act together and quickly. But I still find it a bit rich Tories taking the moral high ground on such issues as 'lying'!!
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Most of the Tories who post on here have comment riddled with inaccuracies and untruths so I find it hypocritical of them as well.
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Smith is just playing politics over the issue, something he is good at. It will also keep Smith and the Tories in the news. Something Smith is good at as well.
Come now Ian. your unhealthy obsession with royston smith is clouding your jugement.

Stephen barne Andrews left because williams is a liar. Morell has done the same thing. williams lied to council officers and the public that's the point. hE has lied to you to. Have you got your money back yet. Nobody will be redundant either. You live in the same dream world as williams.
[quote][p][bold]Ant Smoking MP[/bold] wrote: Granted. Labour needs to get its act together and quickly. But I still find it a bit rich Tories taking the moral high ground on such issues as 'lying'!! . Most of the Tories who post on here have comment riddled with inaccuracies and untruths so I find it hypocritical of them as well. . Smith is just playing politics over the issue, something he is good at. It will also keep Smith and the Tories in the news. Something Smith is good at as well.[/p][/quote]Come now Ian. your unhealthy obsession with royston smith is clouding your jugement. Stephen barne Andrews left because williams is a liar. Morell has done the same thing. williams lied to council officers and the public that's the point. hE has lied to you to. Have you got your money back yet. Nobody will be redundant either. You live in the same dream world as williams. misbehaving
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9:50am Wed 13 Jun 12

Shoong says...

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Royston just wants yet more publicity, and what he has achieved is proved what a petulant child he truly is!

I believe that there should be transparency with regard to information and decisions made by those elected to office but Royston and the Tory school boys have yet again embarrassed themselves and the city of Southampton.
Yeah right, I get the feeling if the situation was reversed somehow your opinion would be different and you'd be the frothing at the mouth.

Embarrassing Southampton? I think Councillor Williams has done a decent job of that already.
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote: Royston just wants yet more publicity, and what he has achieved is proved what a petulant child he truly is! I believe that there should be transparency with regard to information and decisions made by those elected to office but Royston and the Tory school boys have yet again embarrassed themselves and the city of Southampton.[/p][/quote]Yeah right, I get the feeling if the situation was reversed somehow your opinion would be different and you'd be the frothing at the mouth. Embarrassing Southampton? I think Councillor Williams has done a decent job of that already. Shoong
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10:12am Wed 13 Jun 12

aldermoorboy says...

What ever the party, if you lie you should not be a councillor. It is good Williams and Morell welcome the truth coming out.
Then who ever lied must resign from the council.
This is damaging for Southampton and for Labour.
What ever the party, if you lie you should not be a councillor. It is good Williams and Morell welcome the truth coming out. Then who ever lied must resign from the council. This is damaging for Southampton and for Labour. aldermoorboy
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10:28am Wed 13 Jun 12

Shoong says...

Linesman wrote:
I would have thought that it is an entirely internal matter for the Labour Party.

Did the Tories consider that they were misleading the public when they had internal disputes?

Surely there must be more important matters that should be occupying their minds.
'I would have thought that it is an entirely internal matter for the Labour Party.'

Yeah, of course it is! Had it been the Conservative party you would be calling for Councillor Smith to be flogged in public.

Hide it behind the corridors of the Council that is currently controlled by Labour? Yes, that would be a very democratic and transparent move by the party that is apparently 'for the people' wouldn't it?

'Surely there must be more important matters that should be occupying their minds.'

Yes, I'm sure if they were to drop it all altogether that would be honky dory! I for one believe that the opposition should challenge lies and the misdirection of the Labour council. That's what democracy is supposed to do and I would expect Labour to do the same if the situation was reversed.

Your as much a hypocrite as the party you worship.

Be careful who you choose for heroes. Chances are you'll get let down.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I would have thought that it is an entirely internal matter for the Labour Party. Did the Tories consider that they were misleading the public when they had internal disputes? Surely there must be more important matters that should be occupying their minds.[/p][/quote]'I would have thought that it is an entirely internal matter for the Labour Party.' Yeah, of course it is! Had it been the Conservative party you would be calling for Councillor Smith to be flogged in public. Hide it behind the corridors of the Council that is currently controlled by Labour? Yes, that would be a very democratic and transparent move by the party that is apparently 'for the people' wouldn't it? 'Surely there must be more important matters that should be occupying their minds.' Yes, I'm sure if they were to drop it all altogether that would be honky dory! I for one believe that the opposition should challenge lies and the misdirection of the Labour council. That's what democracy is supposed to do and I would expect Labour to do the same if the situation was reversed. Your as much a hypocrite as the party you worship. Be careful who you choose for heroes. Chances are you'll get let down. Shoong
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11:32am Wed 13 Jun 12

freefinker says...

.. petty tribalism - so utterly boring.
ZZZZ, ZZZZ, ZZZZ, ZZZZ.
ZZZZ, ZZZZ, ZZZZ, ZZZZ.
.. petty tribalism - so utterly boring. ZZZZ, ZZZZ, ZZZZ, ZZZZ. ZZZZ, ZZZZ, ZZZZ, ZZZZ. freefinker
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11:52am Wed 13 Jun 12

aldermoorboy says...

Not zzzz, lying is wrong. Lying if you are a councillor is a resigning matter, if you or your party are honourable.
Not zzzz, lying is wrong. Lying if you are a councillor is a resigning matter, if you or your party are honourable. aldermoorboy
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12:23pm Wed 13 Jun 12

southy says...

redsnapper wrote:
Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!!

There ain#t no such animal!!
Well there is the TUSC lot :-) a lot more honest than any other political party.
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!! There ain#t no such animal!![/p][/quote]Well there is the TUSC lot :-) a lot more honest than any other political party. southy
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12:25pm Wed 13 Jun 12

loosehead says...

Mr Williams made God knows how many promises which must have helped Labour to get in or why make them?
If two & let's get it right TWO Labour councillors have called him a liar how can the public not want to know the truth?
Were all those promises lies?
Did he lie about council pay & after the U-Turn on Refuse collections & redundancies did he lie as Barnes Andrews said?
then to put out a false statement calling a fellow party member a liar to cover up his lies do we not want or need to know?
You bet ya bottom dollar we do want to know
Mr Williams made God knows how many promises which must have helped Labour to get in or why make them? If two & let's get it right TWO Labour councillors have called him a liar how can the public not want to know the truth? Were all those promises lies? Did he lie about council pay & after the U-Turn on Refuse collections & redundancies did he lie as Barnes Andrews said? then to put out a false statement calling a fellow party member a liar to cover up his lies do we not want or need to know? You bet ya bottom dollar we do want to know loosehead
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12:28pm Wed 13 Jun 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!!

There ain#t no such animal!!
Well there is the TUSC lot :-) a lot more honest than any other political party.
With the lies you come out with get real will you!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!! There ain#t no such animal!![/p][/quote]Well there is the TUSC lot :-) a lot more honest than any other political party.[/p][/quote]With the lies you come out with get real will you! loosehead
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1:04pm Wed 13 Jun 12

southy says...

OceansofRed wrote:
Goodness me there is some rubbish spoken on here.

1)I checked the claims of St Densys ta and Royston Smith was only ever elected as a Tory cllr.

2)Sea City Museum and the CCTV contract. The council has an inquiry panel, it is called the overview and scrutiny panel. I believe it looked at the CCTV contract. There were plenty of questions asked by Labour about Sea City. And now they run the council so if there was anything dodgy don't you think they would release it?

3)Councillors should present the facts to the public. In the same way that Labour when they were the opposition asked questions of the Tory council and in the same way the Unions went on strike and protested against what they saw as an attack on workers rights, so have the Tories the right, indeed the public also to demand to know which councillor was telling the truth.

I would have thought the Labour party mouth pieces on here would agree with their Leader Dr Cllr Williams who says he welcomes it! If he welcomes it and feels he has nothing to hide then why are the Labour supporters on here getting themselves into a right state?
Yes there is.

1/ Royston stood as an idependant and then was ask to join the Torys, You find the true answer in the Eletrol office and not on Wilki.

Why don't you invesigate what was those leafletts that Royston was handing out, out side school gates.

2/ yes the council do have a inquiry panel, but it was not used for the CCTV or the City Museum well not as yet.

3/ yes the council should present the facts and should keep an open book on all matters, but sadly the Torys and Labour keep a close book on matters that concern Party matters, and this is for internal party matters, and don't concern the council yet, The Council Cabinet is being sorted out and its a matter for the Labour Party to do and not the Tory party to interfer with.
[quote][p][bold]OceansofRed[/bold] wrote: Goodness me there is some rubbish spoken on here. 1)I checked the claims of St Densys ta and Royston Smith was only ever elected as a Tory cllr. 2)Sea City Museum and the CCTV contract. The council has an inquiry panel, it is called the overview and scrutiny panel. I believe it looked at the CCTV contract. There were plenty of questions asked by Labour about Sea City. And now they run the council so if there was anything dodgy don't you think they would release it? 3)Councillors should present the facts to the public. In the same way that Labour when they were the opposition asked questions of the Tory council and in the same way the Unions went on strike and protested against what they saw as an attack on workers rights, so have the Tories the right, indeed the public also to demand to know which councillor was telling the truth. I would have thought the Labour party mouth pieces on here would agree with their Leader Dr Cllr Williams who says he welcomes it! If he welcomes it and feels he has nothing to hide then why are the Labour supporters on here getting themselves into a right state?[/p][/quote]Yes there is. 1/ Royston stood as an idependant and then was ask to join the Torys, You find the true answer in the Eletrol office and not on Wilki. Why don't you invesigate what was those leafletts that Royston was handing out, out side school gates. 2/ yes the council do have a inquiry panel, but it was not used for the CCTV or the City Museum well not as yet. 3/ yes the council should present the facts and should keep an open book on all matters, but sadly the Torys and Labour keep a close book on matters that concern Party matters, and this is for internal party matters, and don't concern the council yet, The Council Cabinet is being sorted out and its a matter for the Labour Party to do and not the Tory party to interfer with. southy
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1:08pm Wed 13 Jun 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!!

There ain#t no such animal!!
Well there is the TUSC lot :-) a lot more honest than any other political party.
With the lies you come out with get real will you!
Still a lot more trustworthly than any other political party, not lies just telling you how things really are, just that your to blind in Right Wing Political matters and being lead by your Capitalist Shepard.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!! There ain#t no such animal!![/p][/quote]Well there is the TUSC lot :-) a lot more honest than any other political party.[/p][/quote]With the lies you come out with get real will you![/p][/quote]Still a lot more trustworthly than any other political party, not lies just telling you how things really are, just that your to blind in Right Wing Political matters and being lead by your Capitalist Shepard. southy
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1:18pm Wed 13 Jun 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!!

There ain#t no such animal!!
Well there is the TUSC lot :-) a lot more honest than any other political party.
With the lies you come out with get real will you!
Still a lot more trustworthly than any other political party, not lies just telling you how things really are, just that your to blind in Right Wing Political matters and being lead by your Capitalist Shepard.
I guess sometimes in life you have to choose between 2 evils...

Take yourself. A paranoid Communist blinded to the reality of life by out dated and proven unworkable political extremism.

I suppose you have to ask yourself: if myself and my silly little left wing party are so holier than thou how come votes for my party usually end up in the 100's rather than the 1000's..?

The biggest lie of all is pretending to be a 'for the people' when it's obvious you are a Bollinger Bolshevik.

Current socialist states:

China (in name only)
Cuba (run by a gangster)
Lao
Vietnam

So the world has rejected Socialism.

Who's blinded?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!! There ain#t no such animal!![/p][/quote]Well there is the TUSC lot :-) a lot more honest than any other political party.[/p][/quote]With the lies you come out with get real will you![/p][/quote]Still a lot more trustworthly than any other political party, not lies just telling you how things really are, just that your to blind in Right Wing Political matters and being lead by your Capitalist Shepard.[/p][/quote]I guess sometimes in life you have to choose between 2 evils... Take yourself. A paranoid Communist blinded to the reality of life by out dated and proven unworkable political extremism. I suppose you have to ask yourself: if myself and my silly little left wing party are so holier than thou how come votes for my party usually end up in the 100's rather than the 1000's..? The biggest lie of all is pretending to be a 'for the people' when it's obvious you are a Bollinger Bolshevik. Current socialist states: China (in name only) Cuba (run by a gangster) Lao Vietnam So the world has rejected Socialism. Who's blinded? Shoong
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1:20pm Wed 13 Jun 12

dave1958 says...

Comb over, bully boy Royston and his hence men, having nothing else to do but cause mischief. If they want a special council meeting which I hasten to add will cost £3,000 let him and his hence men put up the money, from their own pockets with no return for the meeting to be called. We all know that Cllr comb over bully boy Royston Smith and his hencemen did not exactly tell the truth all the time. I will also add The Echo as being one of his hence men, all they seem to publish is pro Tory stories. It makes you wonder if Matt Smith is actually a card holding member of the Tory Party?
Comb over, bully boy Royston and his hence men, having nothing else to do but cause mischief. If they want a special council meeting which I hasten to add will cost £3,000 let him and his hence men put up the money, from their own pockets with no return for the meeting to be called. We all know that Cllr comb over bully boy Royston Smith and his hencemen did not exactly tell the truth all the time. I will also add The Echo as being one of his hence men, all they seem to publish is pro Tory stories. It makes you wonder if Matt Smith is actually a card holding member of the Tory Party? dave1958
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1:25pm Wed 13 Jun 12

Shoong says...

dave1958 wrote:
Comb over, bully boy Royston and his hence men, having nothing else to do but cause mischief. If they want a special council meeting which I hasten to add will cost £3,000 let him and his hence men put up the money, from their own pockets with no return for the meeting to be called. We all know that Cllr comb over bully boy Royston Smith and his hencemen did not exactly tell the truth all the time. I will also add The Echo as being one of his hence men, all they seem to publish is pro Tory stories. It makes you wonder if Matt Smith is actually a card holding member of the Tory Party?
WTF is a 'henceman'?

If your going to start using childish names to describe people, get the spelling right at least.
[quote][p][bold]dave1958[/bold] wrote: Comb over, bully boy Royston and his hence men, having nothing else to do but cause mischief. If they want a special council meeting which I hasten to add will cost £3,000 let him and his hence men put up the money, from their own pockets with no return for the meeting to be called. We all know that Cllr comb over bully boy Royston Smith and his hencemen did not exactly tell the truth all the time. I will also add The Echo as being one of his hence men, all they seem to publish is pro Tory stories. It makes you wonder if Matt Smith is actually a card holding member of the Tory Party?[/p][/quote]WTF is a 'henceman'? If your going to start using childish names to describe people, get the spelling right at least. Shoong
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1:40pm Wed 13 Jun 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!!

There ain#t no such animal!!
Well there is the TUSC lot :-) a lot more honest than any other political party.
With the lies you come out with get real will you!
Still a lot more trustworthly than any other political party, not lies just telling you how things really are, just that your to blind in Right Wing Political matters and being lead by your Capitalist Shepard.
I guess sometimes in life you have to choose between 2 evils...

Take yourself. A paranoid Communist blinded to the reality of life by out dated and proven unworkable political extremism.

I suppose you have to ask yourself: if myself and my silly little left wing party are so holier than thou how come votes for my party usually end up in the 100's rather than the 1000's..?

The biggest lie of all is pretending to be a 'for the people' when it's obvious you are a Bollinger Bolshevik.

Current socialist states:

China (in name only)
Cuba (run by a gangster)
Lao
Vietnam

So the world has rejected Socialism.

Who's blinded?
More political false propaganda who beleives that the Labour is a Socialist party when if fact its a Capitalist party.
I am a Socialist maybe not as far left as Communist, but still Left, I am what you call a Center to Left Socialist, And yes the TUSC do have some Capitalist with in the Party, but they are Keynesian policy Captialist, and dont believe in this Fascisum Capitalist policy of the Bilderberg Group that 99% of the world minor Capitalist are being lead by.
You need to learn the real difference and not that false propaganda stuff that is put out by the Bilderberg group, There are no Socialist Countrys in the World, there as not been one since 1923, theres been Stalinist which is Socialism controlled by Capitalist which is just another form of Captialism. how ever there are countrys that are doing what the UK had between 1945 to 1979 and that was to have a mix of Captislism and Socialism Policy, countrys like China is now, Cuba, Vietnam, India, Venezuela, and it looks like Brazil as join them in having a mix of Capitalism and socialism policy.
And what do all those Countrys have in Common apart from a mix of left and right wing policy, there Economy is doing far better than any country that as 100% Capitalism policy, And its the Socialist Policy that is doing that.
The world as not rejected Socialism the world being told lies about Socialism, from the Bilderberg group and its sheep like your self that they use as propaganda speaders.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!! There ain#t no such animal!![/p][/quote]Well there is the TUSC lot :-) a lot more honest than any other political party.[/p][/quote]With the lies you come out with get real will you![/p][/quote]Still a lot more trustworthly than any other political party, not lies just telling you how things really are, just that your to blind in Right Wing Political matters and being lead by your Capitalist Shepard.[/p][/quote]I guess sometimes in life you have to choose between 2 evils... Take yourself. A paranoid Communist blinded to the reality of life by out dated and proven unworkable political extremism. I suppose you have to ask yourself: if myself and my silly little left wing party are so holier than thou how come votes for my party usually end up in the 100's rather than the 1000's..? The biggest lie of all is pretending to be a 'for the people' when it's obvious you are a Bollinger Bolshevik. Current socialist states: China (in name only) Cuba (run by a gangster) Lao Vietnam So the world has rejected Socialism. Who's blinded?[/p][/quote]More political false propaganda who beleives that the Labour is a Socialist party when if fact its a Capitalist party. I am a Socialist maybe not as far left as Communist, but still Left, I am what you call a Center to Left Socialist, And yes the TUSC do have some Capitalist with in the Party, but they are Keynesian policy Captialist, and dont believe in this Fascisum Capitalist policy of the Bilderberg Group that 99% of the world minor Capitalist are being lead by. You need to learn the real difference and not that false propaganda stuff that is put out by the Bilderberg group, There are no Socialist Countrys in the World, there as not been one since 1923, theres been Stalinist which is Socialism controlled by Capitalist which is just another form of Captialism. how ever there are countrys that are doing what the UK had between 1945 to 1979 and that was to have a mix of Captislism and Socialism Policy, countrys like China is now, Cuba, Vietnam, India, Venezuela, and it looks like Brazil as join them in having a mix of Capitalism and socialism policy. And what do all those Countrys have in Common apart from a mix of left and right wing policy, there Economy is doing far better than any country that as 100% Capitalism policy, And its the Socialist Policy that is doing that. The world as not rejected Socialism the world being told lies about Socialism, from the Bilderberg group and its sheep like your self that they use as propaganda speaders. southy
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1:54pm Wed 13 Jun 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!!

There ain#t no such animal!!
Well there is the TUSC lot :-) a lot more honest than any other political party.
With the lies you come out with get real will you!
Still a lot more trustworthly than any other political party, not lies just telling you how things really are, just that your to blind in Right Wing Political matters and being lead by your Capitalist Shepard.
I guess sometimes in life you have to choose between 2 evils...

Take yourself. A paranoid Communist blinded to the reality of life by out dated and proven unworkable political extremism.

I suppose you have to ask yourself: if myself and my silly little left wing party are so holier than thou how come votes for my party usually end up in the 100's rather than the 1000's..?

The biggest lie of all is pretending to be a 'for the people' when it's obvious you are a Bollinger Bolshevik.

Current socialist states:

China (in name only)
Cuba (run by a gangster)
Lao
Vietnam

So the world has rejected Socialism.

Who's blinded?
More political false propaganda who beleives that the Labour is a Socialist party when if fact its a Capitalist party.
I am a Socialist maybe not as far left as Communist, but still Left, I am what you call a Center to Left Socialist, And yes the TUSC do have some Capitalist with in the Party, but they are Keynesian policy Captialist, and dont believe in this Fascisum Capitalist policy of the Bilderberg Group that 99% of the world minor Capitalist are being lead by.
You need to learn the real difference and not that false propaganda stuff that is put out by the Bilderberg group, There are no Socialist Countrys in the World, there as not been one since 1923, theres been Stalinist which is Socialism controlled by Capitalist which is just another form of Captialism. how ever there are countrys that are doing what the UK had between 1945 to 1979 and that was to have a mix of Captislism and Socialism Policy, countrys like China is now, Cuba, Vietnam, India, Venezuela, and it looks like Brazil as join them in having a mix of Capitalism and socialism policy.
And what do all those Countrys have in Common apart from a mix of left and right wing policy, there Economy is doing far better than any country that as 100% Capitalism policy, And its the Socialist Policy that is doing that.
The world as not rejected Socialism the world being told lies about Socialism, from the Bilderberg group and its sheep like your self that they use as propaganda speaders.
Sorry mate but your the absolute worst offender for spewing propaganda, even using your FB account to dish it out, at the same time actually unwilling to reveal your face on it.

You twist words, contradict yourself, pretend your clever by using Google to look up things that you should but don't know.

Oh so now your a Centre to Left Socialist are we?

What exactly has gone wrong in your life to blame everything on Capitalism and 'Right Wingers' (which is another way of saying 'I hate everyone who doesn't hole the same views as I') I don't know, but I take great comfort in knowing that your outdated weird politics will never be taken seriously by any electorate ever.

The world HAS rejected Socialism. You just can't take it, won't believe it. You even believe your own propaganda.

No-one takes you seriously here. Take it somewhere else.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!! There ain#t no such animal!![/p][/quote]Well there is the TUSC lot :-) a lot more honest than any other political party.[/p][/quote]With the lies you come out with get real will you![/p][/quote]Still a lot more trustworthly than any other political party, not lies just telling you how things really are, just that your to blind in Right Wing Political matters and being lead by your Capitalist Shepard.[/p][/quote]I guess sometimes in life you have to choose between 2 evils... Take yourself. A paranoid Communist blinded to the reality of life by out dated and proven unworkable political extremism. I suppose you have to ask yourself: if myself and my silly little left wing party are so holier than thou how come votes for my party usually end up in the 100's rather than the 1000's..? The biggest lie of all is pretending to be a 'for the people' when it's obvious you are a Bollinger Bolshevik. Current socialist states: China (in name only) Cuba (run by a gangster) Lao Vietnam So the world has rejected Socialism. Who's blinded?[/p][/quote]More political false propaganda who beleives that the Labour is a Socialist party when if fact its a Capitalist party. I am a Socialist maybe not as far left as Communist, but still Left, I am what you call a Center to Left Socialist, And yes the TUSC do have some Capitalist with in the Party, but they are Keynesian policy Captialist, and dont believe in this Fascisum Capitalist policy of the Bilderberg Group that 99% of the world minor Capitalist are being lead by. You need to learn the real difference and not that false propaganda stuff that is put out by the Bilderberg group, There are no Socialist Countrys in the World, there as not been one since 1923, theres been Stalinist which is Socialism controlled by Capitalist which is just another form of Captialism. how ever there are countrys that are doing what the UK had between 1945 to 1979 and that was to have a mix of Captislism and Socialism Policy, countrys like China is now, Cuba, Vietnam, India, Venezuela, and it looks like Brazil as join them in having a mix of Capitalism and socialism policy. And what do all those Countrys have in Common apart from a mix of left and right wing policy, there Economy is doing far better than any country that as 100% Capitalism policy, And its the Socialist Policy that is doing that. The world as not rejected Socialism the world being told lies about Socialism, from the Bilderberg group and its sheep like your self that they use as propaganda speaders.[/p][/quote]Sorry mate but your the absolute worst offender for spewing propaganda, even using your FB account to dish it out, at the same time actually unwilling to reveal your face on it. You twist words, contradict yourself, pretend your clever by using Google to look up things that you should but don't know. Oh so now your a Centre to Left Socialist are we? What exactly has gone wrong in your life to blame everything on Capitalism and 'Right Wingers' (which is another way of saying 'I hate everyone who doesn't hole the same views as I') I don't know, but I take great comfort in knowing that your outdated weird politics will never be taken seriously by any electorate ever. The world HAS rejected Socialism. You just can't take it, won't believe it. You even believe your own propaganda. No-one takes you seriously here. Take it somewhere else. Shoong
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2:11pm Wed 13 Jun 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!!

There ain#t no such animal!!
Well there is the TUSC lot :-) a lot more honest than any other political party.
With the lies you come out with get real will you!
Still a lot more trustworthly than any other political party, not lies just telling you how things really are, just that your to blind in Right Wing Political matters and being lead by your Capitalist Shepard.
I guess sometimes in life you have to choose between 2 evils...

Take yourself. A paranoid Communist blinded to the reality of life by out dated and proven unworkable political extremism.

I suppose you have to ask yourself: if myself and my silly little left wing party are so holier than thou how come votes for my party usually end up in the 100's rather than the 1000's..?

The biggest lie of all is pretending to be a 'for the people' when it's obvious you are a Bollinger Bolshevik.

Current socialist states:

China (in name only)
Cuba (run by a gangster)
Lao
Vietnam

So the world has rejected Socialism.

Who's blinded?
More political false propaganda who beleives that the Labour is a Socialist party when if fact its a Capitalist party.
I am a Socialist maybe not as far left as Communist, but still Left, I am what you call a Center to Left Socialist, And yes the TUSC do have some Capitalist with in the Party, but they are Keynesian policy Captialist, and dont believe in this Fascisum Capitalist policy of the Bilderberg Group that 99% of the world minor Capitalist are being lead by.
You need to learn the real difference and not that false propaganda stuff that is put out by the Bilderberg group, There are no Socialist Countrys in the World, there as not been one since 1923, theres been Stalinist which is Socialism controlled by Capitalist which is just another form of Captialism. how ever there are countrys that are doing what the UK had between 1945 to 1979 and that was to have a mix of Captislism and Socialism Policy, countrys like China is now, Cuba, Vietnam, India, Venezuela, and it looks like Brazil as join them in having a mix of Capitalism and socialism policy.
And what do all those Countrys have in Common apart from a mix of left and right wing policy, there Economy is doing far better than any country that as 100% Capitalism policy, And its the Socialist Policy that is doing that.
The world as not rejected Socialism the world being told lies about Socialism, from the Bilderberg group and its sheep like your self that they use as propaganda speaders.
Sorry mate but your the absolute worst offender for spewing propaganda, even using your FB account to dish it out, at the same time actually unwilling to reveal your face on it.

You twist words, contradict yourself, pretend your clever by using Google to look up things that you should but don't know.

Oh so now your a Centre to Left Socialist are we?

What exactly has gone wrong in your life to blame everything on Capitalism and 'Right Wingers' (which is another way of saying 'I hate everyone who doesn't hole the same views as I') I don't know, but I take great comfort in knowing that your outdated weird politics will never be taken seriously by any electorate ever.

The world HAS rejected Socialism. You just can't take it, won't believe it. You even believe your own propaganda.

No-one takes you seriously here. Take it somewhere else.
The world can not reject Socialism at all, first off all Socialist as to be in control to run a Socialist policy, and as there not been a case off Socialist in control of a Socialist policy since 1923.
Socialism is not Socialism if controlled by Capitalist that just becomes another band of Capitalism.
Learn the difference, and the fact remains that countrys that do have some sort of Socialism policy are far better off that any country that as 100% caoitalist policy, the facts are out there to see, India Economy doing better, China Economy Doing Better, Vietnam Economy Doing better, Venezuela Economy doing better, even Cuba Economy is fairing better, And Brazil Economy started to improve since they interduce a Socialist Policy.
Just take a look at all the countrys who Economy is failed abd every one of them is 100% Capitalist Policy
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Show me an honest politician and I ll start supporting the Skates!!! There ain#t no such animal!![/p][/quote]Well there is the TUSC lot :-) a lot more honest than any other political party.[/p][/quote]With the lies you come out with get real will you![/p][/quote]Still a lot more trustworthly than any other political party, not lies just telling you how things really are, just that your to blind in Right Wing Political matters and being lead by your Capitalist Shepard.[/p][/quote]I guess sometimes in life you have to choose between 2 evils... Take yourself. A paranoid Communist blinded to the reality of life by out dated and proven unworkable political extremism. I suppose you have to ask yourself: if myself and my silly little left wing party are so holier than thou how come votes for my party usually end up in the 100's rather than the 1000's..? The biggest lie of all is pretending to be a 'for the people' when it's obvious you are a Bollinger Bolshevik. Current socialist states: China (in name only) Cuba (run by a gangster) Lao Vietnam So the world has rejected Socialism. Who's blinded?[/p][/quote]More political false propaganda who beleives that the Labour is a Socialist party when if fact its a Capitalist party. I am a Socialist maybe not as far left as Communist, but still Left, I am what you call a Center to Left Socialist, And yes the TUSC do have some Capitalist with in the Party, but they are Keynesian policy Captialist, and dont believe in this Fascisum Capitalist policy of the Bilderberg Group that 99% of the world minor Capitalist are being lead by. You need to learn the real difference and not that false propaganda stuff that is put out by the Bilderberg group, There are no Socialist Countrys in the World, there as not been one since 1923, theres been Stalinist which is Socialism controlled by Capitalist which is just another form of Captialism. how ever there are countrys that are doing what the UK had between 1945 to 1979 and that was to have a mix of Captislism and Socialism Policy, countrys like China is now, Cuba, Vietnam, India, Venezuela, and it looks like Brazil as join them in having a mix of Capitalism and socialism policy. And what do all those Countrys have in Common apart from a mix of left and right wing policy, there Economy is doing far better than any country that as 100% Capitalism policy, And its the Socialist Policy that is doing that. The world as not rejected Socialism the world being told lies about Socialism, from the Bilderberg group and its sheep like your self that they use as propaganda speaders.[/p][/quote]Sorry mate but your the absolute worst offender for spewing propaganda, even using your FB account to dish it out, at the same time actually unwilling to reveal your face on it. You twist words, contradict yourself, pretend your clever by using Google to look up things that you should but don't know. Oh so now your a Centre to Left Socialist are we? What exactly has gone wrong in your life to blame everything on Capitalism and 'Right Wingers' (which is another way of saying 'I hate everyone who doesn't hole the same views as I') I don't know, but I take great comfort in knowing that your outdated weird politics will never be taken seriously by any electorate ever. The world HAS rejected Socialism. You just can't take it, won't believe it. You even believe your own propaganda. No-one takes you seriously here. Take it somewhere else.[/p][/quote]The world can not reject Socialism at all, first off all Socialist as to be in control to run a Socialist policy, and as there not been a case off Socialist in control of a Socialist policy since 1923. Socialism is not Socialism if controlled by Capitalist that just becomes another band of Capitalism. Learn the difference, and the fact remains that countrys that do have some sort of Socialism policy are far better off that any country that as 100% caoitalist policy, the facts are out there to see, India Economy doing better, China Economy Doing Better, Vietnam Economy Doing better, Venezuela Economy doing better, even Cuba Economy is fairing better, And Brazil Economy started to improve since they interduce a Socialist Policy. Just take a look at all the countrys who Economy is failed abd every one of them is 100% Capitalist Policy southy
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2:16pm Wed 13 Jun 12

Over the Edge says...

I expected nothing else from Roy the boy Smith, it does smack of sour grapes however I cannot believe the leader of the Labour party has allowed himself to put in this position.

For me, if Cllr Morrell didn't want to do the job he was asked to do and resigned then so be it, no need to give any reason whatsoever, apart from he didn't want the job.

If Cllr Williams is found to have lied, then he must fall on his sword, just like I expected Roy to do when he was caught with no valid excise license for his car, changing internet provider so he didn't receive a reminder was for me is no accuse, especially when the excise disc sit on the front of the car your travelling in, did the opposition party at the time call for full council meeting to discuss what is essential a criminal offence carried out by the then leader of the council, no they didn't.
I expected nothing else from Roy the boy Smith, it does smack of sour grapes however I cannot believe the leader of the Labour party has allowed himself to put in this position. For me, if Cllr Morrell didn't want to do the job he was asked to do and resigned then so be it, no need to give any reason whatsoever, apart from he didn't want the job. If Cllr Williams is found to have lied, then he must fall on his sword, just like I expected Roy to do when he was caught with no valid excise license for his car, changing internet provider so he didn't receive a reminder was for me is no accuse, especially when the excise disc sit on the front of the car your travelling in, did the opposition party at the time call for full council meeting to discuss what is essential a criminal offence carried out by the then leader of the council, no they didn't. Over the Edge
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2:31pm Wed 13 Jun 12

southy says...

Over the Edge wrote:
I expected nothing else from Roy the boy Smith, it does smack of sour grapes however I cannot believe the leader of the Labour party has allowed himself to put in this position.

For me, if Cllr Morrell didn't want to do the job he was asked to do and resigned then so be it, no need to give any reason whatsoever, apart from he didn't want the job.

If Cllr Williams is found to have lied, then he must fall on his sword, just like I expected Roy to do when he was caught with no valid excise license for his car, changing internet provider so he didn't receive a reminder was for me is no accuse, especially when the excise disc sit on the front of the car your travelling in, did the opposition party at the time call for full council meeting to discuss what is essential a criminal offence carried out by the then leader of the council, no they didn't.
Not to sure but i bet it stems back to the Labour Party Branch committee
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: I expected nothing else from Roy the boy Smith, it does smack of sour grapes however I cannot believe the leader of the Labour party has allowed himself to put in this position. For me, if Cllr Morrell didn't want to do the job he was asked to do and resigned then so be it, no need to give any reason whatsoever, apart from he didn't want the job. If Cllr Williams is found to have lied, then he must fall on his sword, just like I expected Roy to do when he was caught with no valid excise license for his car, changing internet provider so he didn't receive a reminder was for me is no accuse, especially when the excise disc sit on the front of the car your travelling in, did the opposition party at the time call for full council meeting to discuss what is essential a criminal offence carried out by the then leader of the council, no they didn't.[/p][/quote]Not to sure but i bet it stems back to the Labour Party Branch committee southy
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2:32pm Wed 13 Jun 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

On the inside wrote:
Southampton City Council = 48 Councillors.

Labour = 30

Tories = 16

Lib-Dems = 2

How do we think that vote is going to go then?

What a waste of public money by the infantile Royston Smith. Why should his short man syndrome cost Southampton citizens money?
I won’t be surprised if as usual NuLabour’s councillors are not put under the whip and told to participate in covering up this disgraceful scandal
.
If there was not hypocrisy in NuLabour and it was a party that actually practices what it preaches, instead of behaving like last labour governments under Blair and Brown, it would have immediately at least kicked Cllr. Keith Morrell out
.
Apart from causing embarrassment of his shameless local party Morrell has admitted that he conspired with NuLabour’s local ‘Dear Leader’ Cllr. Williams to tell an out right blatant lie; about which he only changed his mind because his friends started worrying about his health; which not only makes him a self confessed liar but also an unreliable double crosser
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It may be difficult to pin ‘Dear Leader’ Cllr. Williams down on the same charge, but he could be accused of not standing for the rights of his members to express their views instead of obeying the whims of some obscure irrelevant pen unelected pen pusher within the NuLabour Party, so interfering with freedom of the press and people’s right to know the truth
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Cllr. Williams has also proved to be a lousy leader because he gave a well paid top job to Keith Morrell, who within the party is not only well known for blowing hot and cold and unreliable but is also one of those who pretends to be on the left when it suits him but is contaminated due to his association with lowest form of political life the Liberal Democrats in Hampshire County Council (1993-97), when he with few others jumped in bed with them against Labour’s stated policy and against the democratic decision of Southampton Labour Party’s GMC
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Describing this matter as NuLabour’s internal affair as some are trying to say is basically admission that what used to be the party of the working people has started to behave like Mafia. Because internal affairs in my experience is nothing more than NuLabour’s code for cover ups and hypocrisy.
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When I provided documentary proof of how their former Cllr. Parvin Domani had abused the scarce resources of NHS for her political campaign, can any NuLabourite on this site tell us what action was taken against her? Was that also not covered under the heading of internal affairs of the Party?
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If NuLabour is not hypocrite organisation of slippery slimy self serving opportunists, in which few decent people are marginalised but get paraded at election time to secure votes, then it should apply the same standards in Southampton which its national leadership is demanding from Cameron and co at national level.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Southampton City Council = 48 Councillors. Labour = 30 Tories = 16 Lib-Dems = 2 How do we think that vote is going to go then? What a waste of public money by the infantile Royston Smith. Why should his short man syndrome cost Southampton citizens money?[/p][/quote]I won’t be surprised if as usual NuLabour’s councillors are not put under the whip and told to participate in covering up this disgraceful scandal . If there was not hypocrisy in NuLabour and it was a party that actually practices what it preaches, instead of behaving like last labour governments under Blair and Brown, it would have immediately at least kicked Cllr. Keith Morrell out . Apart from causing embarrassment of his shameless local party Morrell has admitted that he conspired with NuLabour’s local ‘Dear Leader’ Cllr. Williams to tell an out right blatant lie; about which he only changed his mind because his friends started worrying about his health; which not only makes him a self confessed liar but also an unreliable double crosser . It may be difficult to pin ‘Dear Leader’ Cllr. Williams down on the same charge, but he could be accused of not standing for the rights of his members to express their views instead of obeying the whims of some obscure irrelevant pen unelected pen pusher within the NuLabour Party, so interfering with freedom of the press and people’s right to know the truth . Cllr. Williams has also proved to be a lousy leader because he gave a well paid top job to Keith Morrell, who within the party is not only well known for blowing hot and cold and unreliable but is also one of those who pretends to be on the left when it suits him but is contaminated due to his association with lowest form of political life the Liberal Democrats in Hampshire County Council (1993-97), when he with few others jumped in bed with them against Labour’s stated policy and against the democratic decision of Southampton Labour Party’s GMC . Describing this matter as NuLabour’s internal affair as some are trying to say is basically admission that what used to be the party of the working people has started to behave like Mafia. Because internal affairs in my experience is nothing more than NuLabour’s code for cover ups and hypocrisy. . When I provided documentary proof of how their former Cllr. Parvin Domani had abused the scarce resources of NHS for her political campaign, can any NuLabourite on this site tell us what action was taken against her? Was that also not covered under the heading of internal affairs of the Party? . If NuLabour is not hypocrite organisation of slippery slimy self serving opportunists, in which few decent people are marginalised but get paraded at election time to secure votes, then it should apply the same standards in Southampton which its national leadership is demanding from Cameron and co at national level. Paramjit Bahia
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2:33pm Wed 13 Jun 12

southy says...

southy wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
I expected nothing else from Roy the boy Smith, it does smack of sour grapes however I cannot believe the leader of the Labour party has allowed himself to put in this position.

For me, if Cllr Morrell didn't want to do the job he was asked to do and resigned then so be it, no need to give any reason whatsoever, apart from he didn't want the job.

If Cllr Williams is found to have lied, then he must fall on his sword, just like I expected Roy to do when he was caught with no valid excise license for his car, changing internet provider so he didn't receive a reminder was for me is no accuse, especially when the excise disc sit on the front of the car your travelling in, did the opposition party at the time call for full council meeting to discuss what is essential a criminal offence carried out by the then leader of the council, no they didn't.
Not to sure but i bet it stems back to the Labour Party Branch committee
Oh also the DVLA sends letters out also, E-mail is just an extra reminder on top of the Letter
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: I expected nothing else from Roy the boy Smith, it does smack of sour grapes however I cannot believe the leader of the Labour party has allowed himself to put in this position. For me, if Cllr Morrell didn't want to do the job he was asked to do and resigned then so be it, no need to give any reason whatsoever, apart from he didn't want the job. If Cllr Williams is found to have lied, then he must fall on his sword, just like I expected Roy to do when he was caught with no valid excise license for his car, changing internet provider so he didn't receive a reminder was for me is no accuse, especially when the excise disc sit on the front of the car your travelling in, did the opposition party at the time call for full council meeting to discuss what is essential a criminal offence carried out by the then leader of the council, no they didn't.[/p][/quote]Not to sure but i bet it stems back to the Labour Party Branch committee[/p][/quote]Oh also the DVLA sends letters out also, E-mail is just an extra reminder on top of the Letter southy
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2:43pm Wed 13 Jun 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quite interesting,.... i always disputed what Cllr Smith did as council leader as to whether it was in the interest of the City and its residents or just to inflate his ego.
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I still ask that question now .... Is this for the City or Smith ???
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If we are to have an open debate on this can we also have a Public Hearing on the following.
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1/ .. Why was £10m of taxpayers money used to prop up the Sea Museum ....... Despite assurances that it would not.
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2/ .. Why was the decision made to enter into a £50m contract for CCTV despite the Tories having lost the election.
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3/ .. Can we also find out PUBLICLY why Hannides changed the rules of the Spitfire Memorial AFTER the finalist designs and designers were chosen.
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Cllrs Peter Baillie, Ivan White, John Hannides, John Inglis and Anthony Kolker and Royston Smith .... i ask again ....... Is this in the interest of the City and its people or just for YOUR PERSONAL SATISFACTION
Most of us know what the Tories are like, but please tell us which way your NuLabour is better than them?
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How does telling lies through their teeth and blocking press freedom and right of expression of elected members by some weird unelected party pen pusher compare with what may not be exactly a good record of Smith?
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At least he was not caught with pants down like your 'Dear Leader' Williams and self confessed liar Keith Morell.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quite interesting,.... i always disputed what Cllr Smith did as council leader as to whether it was in the interest of the City and its residents or just to inflate his ego. . I still ask that question now .... Is this for the City or Smith ??? . If we are to have an open debate on this can we also have a Public Hearing on the following. . 1/ .. Why was £10m of taxpayers money used to prop up the Sea Museum ....... Despite assurances that it would not. . 2/ .. Why was the decision made to enter into a £50m contract for CCTV despite the Tories having lost the election. . 3/ .. Can we also find out PUBLICLY why Hannides changed the rules of the Spitfire Memorial AFTER the finalist designs and designers were chosen. . Cllrs Peter Baillie, Ivan White, John Hannides, John Inglis and Anthony Kolker and Royston Smith .... i ask again ....... Is this in the interest of the City and its people or just for YOUR PERSONAL SATISFACTION[/p][/quote]Most of us know what the Tories are like, but please tell us which way your NuLabour is better than them? . How does telling lies through their teeth and blocking press freedom and right of expression of elected members by some weird unelected party pen pusher compare with what may not be exactly a good record of Smith? . At least he was not caught with pants down like your 'Dear Leader' Williams and self confessed liar Keith Morell. Paramjit Bahia
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4:45pm Wed 13 Jun 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quite interesting,.... i always disputed what Cllr Smith did as council leader as to whether it was in the interest of the City and its residents or just to inflate his ego.
.
I still ask that question now .... Is this for the City or Smith ???
.
If we are to have an open debate on this can we also have a Public Hearing on the following.
.
1/ .. Why was £10m of taxpayers money used to prop up the Sea Museum ....... Despite assurances that it would not.
.
2/ .. Why was the decision made to enter into a £50m contract for CCTV despite the Tories having lost the election.
.
3/ .. Can we also find out PUBLICLY why Hannides changed the rules of the Spitfire Memorial AFTER the finalist designs and designers were chosen.
.
Cllrs Peter Baillie, Ivan White, John Hannides, John Inglis and Anthony Kolker and Royston Smith .... i ask again ....... Is this in the interest of the City and its people or just for YOUR PERSONAL SATISFACTION
Most of us know what the Tories are like, but please tell us which way your NuLabour is better than them?
.
How does telling lies through their teeth and blocking press freedom and right of expression of elected members by some weird unelected party pen pusher compare with what may not be exactly a good record of Smith?
.
At least he was not caught with pants down like your 'Dear Leader' Williams and self confessed liar Keith Morell.
Where have i stated that Labour are better than anyone PB.
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I dont know who is telling lie's, if anyone, and the chances are neither do you .... so wait and see the outcome.
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You spout like some Tory supporter waiting to put the knife in for your own political gain.
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You seldom have a good word to post for any political party except for the TUSC that you know seem to have adopted .... Well that s great ........ You continue to support them ...... and i am sure that you will soon desert them for the next pie in the sky outfit to emerge ....... who will promise eternal salvation but dissapear into a cloud of vapour.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quite interesting,.... i always disputed what Cllr Smith did as council leader as to whether it was in the interest of the City and its residents or just to inflate his ego. . I still ask that question now .... Is this for the City or Smith ??? . If we are to have an open debate on this can we also have a Public Hearing on the following. . 1/ .. Why was £10m of taxpayers money used to prop up the Sea Museum ....... Despite assurances that it would not. . 2/ .. Why was the decision made to enter into a £50m contract for CCTV despite the Tories having lost the election. . 3/ .. Can we also find out PUBLICLY why Hannides changed the rules of the Spitfire Memorial AFTER the finalist designs and designers were chosen. . Cllrs Peter Baillie, Ivan White, John Hannides, John Inglis and Anthony Kolker and Royston Smith .... i ask again ....... Is this in the interest of the City and its people or just for YOUR PERSONAL SATISFACTION[/p][/quote]Most of us know what the Tories are like, but please tell us which way your NuLabour is better than them? . How does telling lies through their teeth and blocking press freedom and right of expression of elected members by some weird unelected party pen pusher compare with what may not be exactly a good record of Smith? . At least he was not caught with pants down like your 'Dear Leader' Williams and self confessed liar Keith Morell.[/p][/quote]Where have i stated that Labour are better than anyone PB. . I dont know who is telling lie's, if anyone, and the chances are neither do you .... so wait and see the outcome. . You spout like some Tory supporter waiting to put the knife in for your own political gain. . You seldom have a good word to post for any political party except for the TUSC that you know seem to have adopted .... Well that s great ........ You continue to support them ...... and i am sure that you will soon desert them for the next pie in the sky outfit to emerge ....... who will promise eternal salvation but dissapear into a cloud of vapour. Lone Ranger.
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7:46pm Wed 13 Jun 12

OceansofRed says...

Lone Ranger

If this had been the Tories would you be condemning Labour if they acted the same way or would you be critical of them and say it is all a waste of time?
Lone Ranger If this had been the Tories would you be condemning Labour if they acted the same way or would you be critical of them and say it is all a waste of time? OceansofRed
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8:06pm Wed 13 Jun 12

Lone Ranger. says...

OceansofRed wrote:
Lone Ranger

If this had been the Tories would you be condemning Labour if they acted the same way or would you be critical of them and say it is all a waste of time?
If someone has lied then it should be dealt with ...... I have never said anything different.
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However are the Tories just seeking self glorification or is this really in the interest of the residents of Southampton.
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No one has a bigger Ego or Head than one or two of the Tory losers
[quote][p][bold]OceansofRed[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger If this had been the Tories would you be condemning Labour if they acted the same way or would you be critical of them and say it is all a waste of time?[/p][/quote]If someone has lied then it should be dealt with ...... I have never said anything different. . However are the Tories just seeking self glorification or is this really in the interest of the residents of Southampton. . No one has a bigger Ego or Head than one or two of the Tory losers Lone Ranger.
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8:07pm Wed 13 Jun 12

whipping_boi says...

hook-nose wrote:
Those Tories really tire me... I have never met a man as nice as Dr Richard Williams. Please give this excellent man a chance!
Well said, hook-nose, well said.
[quote][p][bold]hook-nose[/bold] wrote: Those Tories really tire me... I have never met a man as nice as Dr Richard Williams. Please give this excellent man a chance![/p][/quote]Well said, hook-nose, well said. whipping_boi
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9:13pm Wed 13 Jun 12

loosehead says...

whipping_boi wrote:
hook-nose wrote:
Those Tories really tire me... I have never met a man as nice as Dr Richard Williams. Please give this excellent man a chance!
Well said, hook-nose, well said.
A con man is the nicest person you could meet until they get what they want.
If they weren't nice would you give them your vote?
If they didn't say what they believed you wanted to hear would they get your vote?
I'd rather vote & believe some one who tells me how it is & not a liar so accused by two of his party
[quote][p][bold]whipping_boi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hook-nose[/bold] wrote: Those Tories really tire me... I have never met a man as nice as Dr Richard Williams. Please give this excellent man a chance![/p][/quote]Well said, hook-nose, well said.[/p][/quote]A con man is the nicest person you could meet until they get what they want. If they weren't nice would you give them your vote? If they didn't say what they believed you wanted to hear would they get your vote? I'd rather vote & believe some one who tells me how it is & not a liar so accused by two of his party loosehead
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9:25pm Wed 13 Jun 12

loosehead says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
On the inside wrote:
Southampton City Council = 48 Councillors.

Labour = 30

Tories = 16

Lib-Dems = 2

How do we think that vote is going to go then?

What a waste of public money by the infantile Royston Smith. Why should his short man syndrome cost Southampton citizens money?
I won’t be surprised if as usual NuLabour’s councillors are not put under the whip and told to participate in covering up this disgraceful scandal
.
If there was not hypocrisy in NuLabour and it was a party that actually practices what it preaches, instead of behaving like last labour governments under Blair and Brown, it would have immediately at least kicked Cllr. Keith Morrell out
.
Apart from causing embarrassment of his shameless local party Morrell has admitted that he conspired with NuLabour’s local ‘Dear Leader’ Cllr. Williams to tell an out right blatant lie; about which he only changed his mind because his friends started worrying about his health; which not only makes him a self confessed liar but also an unreliable double crosser
.
It may be difficult to pin ‘Dear Leader’ Cllr. Williams down on the same charge, but he could be accused of not standing for the rights of his members to express their views instead of obeying the whims of some obscure irrelevant pen unelected pen pusher within the NuLabour Party, so interfering with freedom of the press and people’s right to know the truth
.
Cllr. Williams has also proved to be a lousy leader because he gave a well paid top job to Keith Morrell, who within the party is not only well known for blowing hot and cold and unreliable but is also one of those who pretends to be on the left when it suits him but is contaminated due to his association with lowest form of political life the Liberal Democrats in Hampshire County Council (1993-97), when he with few others jumped in bed with them against Labour’s stated policy and against the democratic decision of Southampton Labour Party’s GMC
.
Describing this matter as NuLabour’s internal affair as some are trying to say is basically admission that what used to be the party of the working people has started to behave like Mafia. Because internal affairs in my experience is nothing more than NuLabour’s code for cover ups and hypocrisy.
.
When I provided documentary proof of how their former Cllr. Parvin Domani had abused the scarce resources of NHS for her political campaign, can any NuLabourite on this site tell us what action was taken against her? Was that also not covered under the heading of internal affairs of the Party?
.
If NuLabour is not hypocrite organisation of slippery slimy self serving opportunists, in which few decent people are marginalised but get paraded at election time to secure votes, then it should apply the same standards in Southampton which its national leadership is demanding from Cameron and co at national level.
Paramjit we don't see eye to eye on politics but At National level Labour have been calling for an inquiry into Hunt/cultural secretary's handling of BskyB.
he was shown in the Levenson inquiry of using Legal advice on every move he took & had independent advisors so he could decide without bias.
Labour has just lost that vote.
He was not accused of lying by his own party but Labour wanted an inquiry to embarrass Cameron hoping to embarrass Cameron? It would have cost a lot of money after it was proven Hunt did everything by the book.
Maybe he shouldn't have been given that decision but he did it.
On here Labour supporters are saying why do we need to do this to Williams?
Well it has been stated by two of his own cabinet members he's a liar & he tried to cover it up by putting out a false statement( yet again) to the public.
This is far more blatantly obvious than Hunt so why is there double standards by the Local Labour Party & it's supporters?
If Williams was telling the truth why has Morrel not been chucked out of the Labour Party?
As for Southy he shouldn't make everything into the TUSC
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Southampton City Council = 48 Councillors. Labour = 30 Tories = 16 Lib-Dems = 2 How do we think that vote is going to go then? What a waste of public money by the infantile Royston Smith. Why should his short man syndrome cost Southampton citizens money?[/p][/quote]I won’t be surprised if as usual NuLabour’s councillors are not put under the whip and told to participate in covering up this disgraceful scandal . If there was not hypocrisy in NuLabour and it was a party that actually practices what it preaches, instead of behaving like last labour governments under Blair and Brown, it would have immediately at least kicked Cllr. Keith Morrell out . Apart from causing embarrassment of his shameless local party Morrell has admitted that he conspired with NuLabour’s local ‘Dear Leader’ Cllr. Williams to tell an out right blatant lie; about which he only changed his mind because his friends started worrying about his health; which not only makes him a self confessed liar but also an unreliable double crosser . It may be difficult to pin ‘Dear Leader’ Cllr. Williams down on the same charge, but he could be accused of not standing for the rights of his members to express their views instead of obeying the whims of some obscure irrelevant pen unelected pen pusher within the NuLabour Party, so interfering with freedom of the press and people’s right to know the truth . Cllr. Williams has also proved to be a lousy leader because he gave a well paid top job to Keith Morrell, who within the party is not only well known for blowing hot and cold and unreliable but is also one of those who pretends to be on the left when it suits him but is contaminated due to his association with lowest form of political life the Liberal Democrats in Hampshire County Council (1993-97), when he with few others jumped in bed with them against Labour’s stated policy and against the democratic decision of Southampton Labour Party’s GMC . Describing this matter as NuLabour’s internal affair as some are trying to say is basically admission that what used to be the party of the working people has started to behave like Mafia. Because internal affairs in my experience is nothing more than NuLabour’s code for cover ups and hypocrisy. . When I provided documentary proof of how their former Cllr. Parvin Domani had abused the scarce resources of NHS for her political campaign, can any NuLabourite on this site tell us what action was taken against her? Was that also not covered under the heading of internal affairs of the Party? . If NuLabour is not hypocrite organisation of slippery slimy self serving opportunists, in which few decent people are marginalised but get paraded at election time to secure votes, then it should apply the same standards in Southampton which its national leadership is demanding from Cameron and co at national level.[/p][/quote]Paramjit we don't see eye to eye on politics but At National level Labour have been calling for an inquiry into Hunt/cultural secretary's handling of BskyB. he was shown in the Levenson inquiry of using Legal advice on every move he took & had independent advisors so he could decide without bias. Labour has just lost that vote. He was not accused of lying by his own party but Labour wanted an inquiry to embarrass Cameron hoping to embarrass Cameron? It would have cost a lot of money after it was proven Hunt did everything by the book. Maybe he shouldn't have been given that decision but he did it. On here Labour supporters are saying why do we need to do this to Williams? Well it has been stated by two of his own cabinet members he's a liar & he tried to cover it up by putting out a false statement( yet again) to the public. This is far more blatantly obvious than Hunt so why is there double standards by the Local Labour Party & it's supporters? If Williams was telling the truth why has Morrel not been chucked out of the Labour Party? As for Southy he shouldn't make everything into the TUSC loosehead
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9:49pm Wed 13 Jun 12

Red1918 says...

Williams is an absolute disaster, both for the Party and for the City. There are two particular problems, firstly, he has no political strategy whatsoever, other than to manouver himself into a parliamentary seat.Secondly, he is so full of his own self importance that he cannot help but to rub all and sundry up the wrong way.
If he has any pride at all, or concern for the Party, he should fall on his sword now - possibly with a bit of help. The worst possible scenarion is that the Labour Group will be forced to support him in the No Confidence motion, and they and the City will then be obliged to put up with him for years.
Williams is an absolute disaster, both for the Party and for the City. There are two particular problems, firstly, he has no political strategy whatsoever, other than to manouver himself into a parliamentary seat.Secondly, he is so full of his own self importance that he cannot help but to rub all and sundry up the wrong way. If he has any pride at all, or concern for the Party, he should fall on his sword now - possibly with a bit of help. The worst possible scenarion is that the Labour Group will be forced to support him in the No Confidence motion, and they and the City will then be obliged to put up with him for years. Red1918
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2:52am Thu 14 Jun 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quite interesting,.... i always disputed what Cllr Smith did as council leader as to whether it was in the interest of the City and its residents or just to inflate his ego.
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I still ask that question now .... Is this for the City or Smith ???
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If we are to have an open debate on this can we also have a Public Hearing on the following.
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1/ .. Why was £10m of taxpayers money used to prop up the Sea Museum ....... Despite assurances that it would not.
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2/ .. Why was the decision made to enter into a £50m contract for CCTV despite the Tories having lost the election.
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3/ .. Can we also find out PUBLICLY why Hannides changed the rules of the Spitfire Memorial AFTER the finalist designs and designers were chosen.
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Cllrs Peter Baillie, Ivan White, John Hannides, John Inglis and Anthony Kolker and Royston Smith .... i ask again ....... Is this in the interest of the City and its people or just for YOUR PERSONAL SATISFACTION
Most of us know what the Tories are like, but please tell us which way your NuLabour is better than them?
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How does telling lies through their teeth and blocking press freedom and right of expression of elected members by some weird unelected party pen pusher compare with what may not be exactly a good record of Smith?
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At least he was not caught with pants down like your 'Dear Leader' Williams and self confessed liar Keith Morell.
Where have i stated that Labour are better than anyone PB.
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I dont know who is telling lie's, if anyone, and the chances are neither do you .... so wait and see the outcome.
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You spout like some Tory supporter waiting to put the knife in for your own political gain.
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You seldom have a good word to post for any political party except for the TUSC that you know seem to have adopted .... Well that s great ........ You continue to support them ...... and i am sure that you will soon desert them for the next pie in the sky outfit to emerge ....... who will promise eternal salvation but dissapear into a cloud of vapour.
Lone Ranger, I am glad to read that you appear to accept that this NuLabour mob is no better than Tories
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Regarding who is telling the lies, you have to look no further than what Cllr. Keith Morrell has already admitted. That he agreed to tell a fib with ‘Dear Leader’ Cllr. Williams but then because of concern of his friends about his health mentioned in that lie he decided to come clean. Does that not make him a self confessed liar? Why are you trying to ignore that fact with your selective observation?
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It is most unfair of you to tarnish my commitment to socialism by accusing me of spouting like a Tory supporter. It is a matter of public record that I have always opposed Tories, unlike many in NuLabour who are not only Closet Conservatives in action but in fact are former Tories and Liberals and often act with same instincts
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Again another matter of public record; these days I am not politically active and as a socialist by instinct think it my duty to tell the TRUTH. Considering Labour was responsible for putting Mahatma Gandhi in prison, I can’t resist saying that it does not surprise me that English Socialists like you find it difficult to understand Gandhian value in me that Truth must be told, even if ones own mates are liars they must be exposed
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Strangely none of you NuLabour supporters ever complain when I, despite my age and health spend my time and go out helping some NuLabour candidates, which may be some of the few decent and hard working people still in NuLabour. But you control freaks are always only too eager to start throwing the dummies out of prams if I do not tow NuLabour’s line
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Regarding TUSC, no I am not their member never have been, YES I support them because I oppose cuts and in my opinion they are the only ones who are campaigning on that issue. Most members of TUSC are fully aware of my criticism and concerns about the styles of some of their campaigns and unlike control freaks of NuLabour organisers of TUSC do not complain
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Your last remark does not deserve any reply because fact remains that unlike many in NuLabour I have been nothing other than a socialist whole of my life, in fact so were both of my parents. And just like them my loyalty will always be to the cause of socialism not to any tribe (which these days has become the core requirement of NuLabour) so I associate myself with all the left in small groups and in parties like Greens and even those who are still crucifying their conscience within NuLabour
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By the way why have you not got the courage to post comments under your real name? Most of your comments are progressive, in my view it will enhance your credibility if you try to be yourself instead of becoming apologist for disgraceful self serving ego trippers in NuLabour like Morrell and Williams etc etc.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quite interesting,.... i always disputed what Cllr Smith did as council leader as to whether it was in the interest of the City and its residents or just to inflate his ego. . I still ask that question now .... Is this for the City or Smith ??? . If we are to have an open debate on this can we also have a Public Hearing on the following. . 1/ .. Why was £10m of taxpayers money used to prop up the Sea Museum ....... Despite assurances that it would not. . 2/ .. Why was the decision made to enter into a £50m contract for CCTV despite the Tories having lost the election. . 3/ .. Can we also find out PUBLICLY why Hannides changed the rules of the Spitfire Memorial AFTER the finalist designs and designers were chosen. . Cllrs Peter Baillie, Ivan White, John Hannides, John Inglis and Anthony Kolker and Royston Smith .... i ask again ....... Is this in the interest of the City and its people or just for YOUR PERSONAL SATISFACTION[/p][/quote]Most of us know what the Tories are like, but please tell us which way your NuLabour is better than them? . How does telling lies through their teeth and blocking press freedom and right of expression of elected members by some weird unelected party pen pusher compare with what may not be exactly a good record of Smith? . At least he was not caught with pants down like your 'Dear Leader' Williams and self confessed liar Keith Morell.[/p][/quote]Where have i stated that Labour are better than anyone PB. . I dont know who is telling lie's, if anyone, and the chances are neither do you .... so wait and see the outcome. . You spout like some Tory supporter waiting to put the knife in for your own political gain. . You seldom have a good word to post for any political party except for the TUSC that you know seem to have adopted .... Well that s great ........ You continue to support them ...... and i am sure that you will soon desert them for the next pie in the sky outfit to emerge ....... who will promise eternal salvation but dissapear into a cloud of vapour.[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger, I am glad to read that you appear to accept that this NuLabour mob is no better than Tories . Regarding who is telling the lies, you have to look no further than what Cllr. Keith Morrell has already admitted. That he agreed to tell a fib with ‘Dear Leader’ Cllr. Williams but then because of concern of his friends about his health mentioned in that lie he decided to come clean. Does that not make him a self confessed liar? Why are you trying to ignore that fact with your selective observation? . It is most unfair of you to tarnish my commitment to socialism by accusing me of spouting like a Tory supporter. It is a matter of public record that I have always opposed Tories, unlike many in NuLabour who are not only Closet Conservatives in action but in fact are former Tories and Liberals and often act with same instincts . Again another matter of public record; these days I am not politically active and as a socialist by instinct think it my duty to tell the TRUTH. Considering Labour was responsible for putting Mahatma Gandhi in prison, I can’t resist saying that it does not surprise me that English Socialists like you find it difficult to understand Gandhian value in me that Truth must be told, even if ones own mates are liars they must be exposed . Strangely none of you NuLabour supporters ever complain when I, despite my age and health spend my time and go out helping some NuLabour candidates, which may be some of the few decent and hard working people still in NuLabour. But you control freaks are always only too eager to start throwing the dummies out of prams if I do not tow NuLabour’s line . Regarding TUSC, no I am not their member never have been, YES I support them because I oppose cuts and in my opinion they are the only ones who are campaigning on that issue. Most members of TUSC are fully aware of my criticism and concerns about the styles of some of their campaigns and unlike control freaks of NuLabour organisers of TUSC do not complain . Your last remark does not deserve any reply because fact remains that unlike many in NuLabour I have been nothing other than a socialist whole of my life, in fact so were both of my parents. And just like them my loyalty will always be to the cause of socialism not to any tribe (which these days has become the core requirement of NuLabour) so I associate myself with all the left in small groups and in parties like Greens and even those who are still crucifying their conscience within NuLabour . By the way why have you not got the courage to post comments under your real name? Most of your comments are progressive, in my view it will enhance your credibility if you try to be yourself instead of becoming apologist for disgraceful self serving ego trippers in NuLabour like Morrell and Williams etc etc. Paramjit Bahia
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2:56am Thu 14 Jun 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Red1918 wrote:
Williams is an absolute disaster, both for the Party and for the City. There are two particular problems, firstly, he has no political strategy whatsoever, other than to manouver himself into a parliamentary seat.Secondly, he is so full of his own self importance that he cannot help but to rub all and sundry up the wrong way.
If he has any pride at all, or concern for the Party, he should fall on his sword now - possibly with a bit of help. The worst possible scenarion is that the Labour Group will be forced to support him in the No Confidence motion, and they and the City will then be obliged to put up with him for years.
Red1918, your analysis is dead right. Prize for hitting the bulls eye should go to you.
[quote][p][bold]Red1918[/bold] wrote: Williams is an absolute disaster, both for the Party and for the City. There are two particular problems, firstly, he has no political strategy whatsoever, other than to manouver himself into a parliamentary seat.Secondly, he is so full of his own self importance that he cannot help but to rub all and sundry up the wrong way. If he has any pride at all, or concern for the Party, he should fall on his sword now - possibly with a bit of help. The worst possible scenarion is that the Labour Group will be forced to support him in the No Confidence motion, and they and the City will then be obliged to put up with him for years.[/p][/quote]Red1918, your analysis is dead right. Prize for hitting the bulls eye should go to you. Paramjit Bahia
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