Councillors split with leaders over future of pool (From Daily Echo)

Cllr Thomas said: “Whilst we all recognise that this Tory-led Coalition government has slashed our funding, trying to force local authorities into dismantling local government, with leisure facilities such as Oaklands first in line, we must resist.”
Funny how the conservative council were facing up to the same shortfall but weren't shutting Oaklands Pool ?
The Tories have been out leafletting against this closure & now these Labour councillors come on side?
Were they getting worried?
Will the Unions agree this isn't the way to go & maybe the Tory way was best?
looks like we've jumped out of the frying pan into the fire voting this lot into power doesn't it?

Party politicking at its worst.
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Conservatives jumping on a bandwagon, Labour politicians thinking of themselves and no one willing to be honest and upfront.
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What is clearly an economically unviable small asset (with other alternatives in the vicinity) will now be used as a political football and kicked around, not in the interests of the City's citizens, but in an infantile war of words by professional politicians.
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Shame.
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This City needs more than words and sideshows, and what will follow (by all sides) will show the City and local politics at its worst.

The difference is Watcher Tories keep their word. Whitehead and Thomas were pictured outside the pool saying they would keep it open so will they?
Take the shame Watcher.

"Tory group leader Royston Smith welcomed the Labour councillors decision to join the campaign."
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Well it looks like there will be 2 campaigns. Most residents will not want to sit in the same room as the Tories who they voted against in May.

The Watcher wrote:
Party politicking at its worst.
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Conservatives jumping on a bandwagon, Labour politicians thinking of themselves and no one willing to be honest and upfront.
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What is clearly an economically unviable small asset (with other alternatives in the vicinity) will now be used as a political football and kicked around, not in the interests of the City's citizens, but in an infantile war of words by professional politicians.
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Shame.
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This City needs more than words and sideshows, and what will follow (by all sides) will show the City and local politics at its worst.

As I live in the vicinity exactly where are these other facilities in this area(swimming Pool) ?
Conservatives were accused of going to shut this by these three Labour politicians when they were in opposition.
so please explain to me how they're jumping on the bandwagon?
David LLoyds you have to be a member of the club to use the facilities.
Shirley is down in Kentish Rd which is a bus fare so is going to be dearer& you can walk your child to this pool or they can walk across Shirley if your working your child ends up not being allowed to go is that fair?
Redlodge is a long way from 5Acres so would mean a car journey so no car no pool so once again where's these facility's?
Rapids has the same draw back for children who's parents work so sorry but you're wrong.
Labour has cut a service to pay/restore what looks like part of the council workers pay cut they have hit the disabled as well & I remember them attacking the Tory council over any cuts so why this garbage from you?

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
"Tory group leader Royston Smith welcomed the Labour councillors decision to join the campaign."
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Well it looks like there will be 2 campaigns. Most residents will not want to sit in the same room as the Tories who they voted against in May.

You poor poor boy,After reading about this lying Labour council do you really think the voters will object to working with "Truthful" Tories?

Tories are jumping on the anti-cuts bandwagon here. Fairly sure closure would have been quietly on the agenda if they couldn't find a private contractor to run it. RedLodge is community run, Shirley is private, why don't the politicians and community leaders work together to see if a solution can be found. It is shut for repairs at the moment so there is time. It is a good pool, used to be well used when my children were younger and is on many bus routes with no roads to cross for access. Bit of decent advertising might help.

Of course the land will be worth more for development if the pool isn't there.

aldermoorboy wrote:
The difference is Watcher Tories keep their word. Whitehead and Thomas were pictured outside the pool saying they would keep it open so will they? Take the shame Watcher.

As a fellow Conservative, I can only suggest that you and your fellow Councillors get out more and walk the beat.
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Spending your time on here and on Twitter is not the most efficient way of trying to reach out to your electorate and understanding why we lost so badly last May.
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Until we face up to why we lost the trust of the residents of this City, why the campaign went so wrong (from top to bottom), why we were so focussed on "new technology" at the expense of grass roots interactions, we will merely be sniping from the opposition benches.

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
"Tory group leader Royston Smith welcomed the Labour councillors decision to join the campaign."
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Well it looks like there will be 2 campaigns. Most residents will not want to sit in the same room as the Tories who they voted against in May.

You poor poor boy,After reading about this lying Labour council do you really think the voters will object to working with "Truthful" Tories?

No truthful Tories, Hypocrites. they wanted to become a commissioning council and sell these services off and then cut the budgets so that the service would either close or cut staff. Its Smith who is being dishonest. It was under his leadership that last year to a day his management team discussed sacking 1275 workers (see Echo on that date last year). I dont think the Tories are honest or truthful.

tootle wrote:
Tories are jumping on the anti-cuts bandwagon here. Fairly sure closure would have been quietly on the agenda if they couldn't find a private contractor to run it. RedLodge is community run, Shirley is private, why don't the politicians and community leaders work together to see if a solution can be found. It is shut for repairs at the moment so there is time. It is a good pool, used to be well used when my children were younger and is on many bus routes with no roads to cross for access. Bit of decent advertising might help.

Of course the land will be worth more for development if the pool isn't there.

Very true. Are the Tories pro cuts or anti cuts? Where is your honesty now Cllr Smith?

tootle wrote:
Tories are jumping on the anti-cuts bandwagon here. Fairly sure closure would have been quietly on the agenda if they couldn't find a private contractor to run it. RedLodge is community run, Shirley is private, why don't the politicians and community leaders work together to see if a solution can be found. It is shut for repairs at the moment so there is time. It is a good pool, used to be well used when my children were younger and is on many bus routes with no roads to cross for access. Bit of decent advertising might help.

Of course the land will be worth more for development if the pool isn't there.

Sorry but what are you going on about?
Jumping on anti cuts bandwagon?
what do you think the industrial action has been about?(refuse collection)
The Tory council didn't want to make swinging cuts .
didn't want to have fortnightly collections with the loss of jobs that would incur they wanted to keep this pool they wanted to save as many services as possible so they looked at it,tried talking to the Unions about it.Then introduced pay cuts for any one over £17,500 starting at 2% going up to 5.5% they even changed & moved the starting point to £22,000.
how you can say the above is unbelievable

loosehead wrote:

The Watcher wrote: Party politicking at its worst. . Conservatives jumping on a bandwagon, Labour politicians thinking of themselves and no one willing to be honest and upfront. . What is clearly an economically unviable small asset (with other alternatives in the vicinity) will now be used as a political football and kicked around, not in the interests of the City's citizens, but in an infantile war of words by professional politicians. . Shame. . This City needs more than words and sideshows, and what will follow (by all sides) will show the City and local politics at its worst.

As I live in the vicinity exactly where are these other facilities in this area(swimming Pool) ? Conservatives were accused of going to shut this by these three Labour politicians when they were in opposition. so please explain to me how they're jumping on the bandwagon? David LLoyds you have to be a member of the club to use the facilities. Shirley is down in Kentish Rd which is a bus fare so is going to be dearer& you can walk your child to this pool or they can walk across Shirley if your working your child ends up not being allowed to go is that fair? Redlodge is a long way from 5Acres so would mean a car journey so no car no pool so once again where's these facility's? Rapids has the same draw back for children who's parents work so sorry but you're wrong. Labour has cut a service to pay/restore what looks like part of the council workers pay cut they have hit the disabled as well & I remember them attacking the Tory council over any cuts so why this garbage from you?

And conversely if you think "local pools" are so important, then why don't we build one within walking distance of every citizen of the great City?
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In these modern days, a trip to Shirley, Red Lodge, The Quays, The Rapids, heaven forbid even Bitterne is manageable.
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The simple facts are that it is economically unviable to keep subsidising this pool for such a low customer base (as I mentioned on an earlier post, it would probably be cheaper to provide everyone with a taxi to get to Shirley, than subsidise this outdated asset).
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If there is the local appetite for this pool, then surely this should be an ideal opportunity for Cameron's "BIG SOCIETY" to kick in.
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I'd imagine the Council would be amenable for a "Big Society" led community buy out.
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Why don't we see if we can replicate a national challenge at a local level, as opposed to playing the oh so predictable party politics being played out on this "forum".
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Methinks the difference is that this is not real life.

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Ant Smoking MP wrote:
"Tory group leader Royston Smith welcomed the Labour councillors decision to join the campaign."
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Well it looks like there will be 2 campaigns. Most residents will not want to sit in the same room as the Tories who they voted against in May.

You poor poor boy,After reading about this lying Labour council do you really think the voters will object to working with "Truthful" Tories?

No truthful Tories, Hypocrites. they wanted to become a commissioning council and sell these services off and then cut the budgets so that the service would either close or cut staff. Its Smith who is being dishonest. It was under his leadership that last year to a day his management team discussed sacking 1275 workers (see Echo on that date last year). I dont think the Tories are honest or truthful.

You are so blinkered!
You know as well as I do they stated from the beginning that 1,275 workers would go out of that figure 800 would be permanent staff the rest would be agency or temps. your beloved Labour party stated that all agency staff & all temps would go plus 1,500 permanent posts would go.
you also know that pay cuts were introduced to save money to save jobs & services.
You also know the tories had think tanks working on different ideas to save money & what you refer to was just one of those ideas which Councillor Smith said wasn't an option so why don't you try being honest for once or can't any Labour Party members/supporters be honest?

Watcher/Ant I am a Tory voter because of :-
1/ They are honest.
2/. They want good public services
3/. They want value for money.

Now you two take the shame and try to stop your councillors from lying. Long term they will find honesty is the best policy.
Also suggest they look at the "books" before giving promises, I believe Accountants are meant to do that.
Naughty Accountant take more shame.

loosehead wrote:
Cllr Thomas said: “Whilst we all recognise that this Tory-led Coalition government has slashed our funding, trying to force local authorities into dismantling local government, with leisure facilities such as Oaklands first in line, we must resist.”
Funny how the conservative council were facing up to the same shortfall but weren't shutting Oaklands Pool ?
The Tories have been out leafletting against this closure & now these Labour councillors come on side?
Were they getting worried?
Will the Unions agree this isn't the way to go & maybe the Tory way was best?
looks like we've jumped out of the frying pan into the fire voting this lot into power doesn't it?

You are right, the conservative council were facing the same shortfall but were not shutting the pool, they were just saving money by not maintaining it properly, with the inevitable result. It is said that a stitch in time saves nine. Similarly, a hundred quid spent a year or two back could well have saved a couple of thousand now.

The Watcher wrote:

loosehead wrote:

The Watcher wrote: Party politicking at its worst. . Conservatives jumping on a bandwagon, Labour politicians thinking of themselves and no one willing to be honest and upfront. . What is clearly an economically unviable small asset (with other alternatives in the vicinity) will now be used as a political football and kicked around, not in the interests of the City's citizens, but in an infantile war of words by professional politicians. . Shame. . This City needs more than words and sideshows, and what will follow (by all sides) will show the City and local politics at its worst.

As I live in the vicinity exactly where are these other facilities in this area(swimming Pool) ? Conservatives were accused of going to shut this by these three Labour politicians when they were in opposition. so please explain to me how they're jumping on the bandwagon? David LLoyds you have to be a member of the club to use the facilities. Shirley is down in Kentish Rd which is a bus fare so is going to be dearer& you can walk your child to this pool or they can walk across Shirley if your working your child ends up not being allowed to go is that fair? Redlodge is a long way from 5Acres so would mean a car journey so no car no pool so once again where's these facility's? Rapids has the same draw back for children who's parents work so sorry but you're wrong. Labour has cut a service to pay/restore what looks like part of the council workers pay cut they have hit the disabled as well & I remember them attacking the Tory council over any cuts so why this garbage from you?

And conversely if you think "local pools" are so important, then why don't we build one within walking distance of every citizen of the great City?
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In these modern days, a trip to Shirley, Red Lodge, The Quays, The Rapids, heaven forbid even Bitterne is manageable.
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The simple facts are that it is economically unviable to keep subsidising this pool for such a low customer base (as I mentioned on an earlier post, it would probably be cheaper to provide everyone with a taxi to get to Shirley, than subsidise this outdated asset).
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If there is the local appetite for this pool, then surely this should be an ideal opportunity for Cameron's "BIG SOCIETY" to kick in.
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I'd imagine the Council would be amenable for a "Big Society" led community buy out.
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Why don't we see if we can replicate a national challenge at a local level, as opposed to playing the oh so predictable party politics being played out on this "forum".
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Methinks the difference is that this is not real life.

I read you're a Tory? Do you read or have any contact with the local Test Conservative Party?
Moulton was looking into the option of getting David LLoyds to allow local children to use their pool & only there pool for a low figure/cost.
this would only take place if the pool became un economical to maintain.
as it was they found the money to repair it & keep it open.
I guess if you & your Labour fans had their way we would return to the days of having a plastic blue pool in the playground for children to learn to swim as we had in Foundry Lane ? ( I never learnt).
this is already a facility so why do you want to back a two faced lying Labour council & see it shut?

Congratulations to our 3 Councillors standing up for us that live in and around the Swimming pool fighting to save our pool. I have great memories of the place and hoping my little boy will learn to swim there too. It’s a shame the previous Tory Council let it run down and closed the leaning pool last year and did not repair the slide for over a year when it just needs a hinge fixing! And they allowed the pool to waste water for the past couple of years at a cost to us. Also why didn’t they build a new pool at the new school site? Surely the Tory led Council at the time should have told them to replace everything including the pool as Oaklands is a community school. We do not need more houses or what ever is going there, just community facilities that are in easy walking distance for those that don’t have a car or other transport like the elderly, disabled, young etc.

We should take the positive step and get behind our 3 Labour Councillors to gain more support from the other Councillors to over rule this crazy decision to close our most valuable asset in our community.

Independent Socialist.

"Three Coxford ward councillors – former Cabinet member Keith Morrell, Don Thomas and Sally Spicer – said they had a duty to fight the closure on behalf of residents who elected them". Are you ready to support these three LH.

SpicersVoice wrote:
Congratulations to our 3 Councillors standing up for us that live in and around the Swimming pool fighting to save our pool. I have great memories of the place and hoping my little boy will learn to swim there too. It’s a shame the previous Tory Council let it run down and closed the leaning pool last year and did not repair the slide for over a year when it just needs a hinge fixing! And they allowed the pool to waste water for the past couple of years at a cost to us. Also why didn’t they build a new pool at the new school site? Surely the Tory led Council at the time should have told them to replace everything including the pool as Oaklands is a community school. We do not need more houses or what ever is going there, just community facilities that are in easy walking distance for those that don’t have a car or other transport like the elderly, disabled, young etc.

We should take the positive step and get behind our 3 Labour Councillors to gain more support from the other Councillors to over rule this crazy decision to close our most valuable asset in our community.

Independent Socialist.

Oasis didn't want a pool. Leaning pool?
Did the Tories say any where they were going to shut this pool?
It's Labour who are shutting it & these three after witnessing the leafletting & campaigning the tories have done to stop it these three jump on the bandwagon

Of course!! I want my boy to learn to swim just like many other families wanting their kids to swim too.

ok a slight error missing the "r" out.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
"Three Coxford ward councillors – former Cabinet member Keith Morrell, Don Thomas and Sally Spicer – said they had a duty to fight the closure on behalf of residents who elected them". Are you ready to support these three LH.

Osprey when this story came out I had a text asking me to help leaflet & campaign against this closure this was being done from the beginning. many people remarked on how their local Labour councillors should be fighting for them.
now surprise,surprise the three of them come out & support the Tories no closure campaign.
All I would say to them is welcome aboard this campaign

SpicersVoice wrote:
ok a slight error missing the "r" out.

Spicer I don't swim ( like a brick) but I was at a residents meeting in the channel Islands estate where this question on the pool was asked of Moulton he stated it wouldn't shut & they were looking at how to keep it open .
You say you're an independent socialist. Would you rather take a low pay cut or see childrens & community pools shutting?

How on earth does it take 30 staff to run a swimming pool? It says it all really.
Why is the leak such a big deal,the council employs tilers why cant they patch it up,I bet they wouldn't have these kinds of issues in Poland.

How on earth does it take 30 staff to run a swimming pool? It says it all really.
Why is the leak such a big deal,the council employs tilers why cant they patch it up,I bet they wouldn't have these kinds of issues in Poland.

It doesn't matter what the previous council said, foolish people voted against them and we're seeing the results now. Morrell and Thomas are clearly at odds with the leadership and it'll drag on for the next 3 years.

Royston seems to have a very short memory. It was his mate Hannides that hived of the sports and leisure to contract three years ago. He privatised Bitterne Leisure Centre and other sports facilities during the same period. Napoleon Smith and Co should get their facts right before slagging off other people.

Good to see opposition to closure of Oaklands Pool. Good to see Labour councillors fighting the cuts. But what about opposing all the cuts? We need to ensure the argument is made that these cuts are not necessary or inevitable. There is enough money lying in the banks of big business to stop all cuts and finance a budget to create jobs, housing and services to meet the needs of the city as a whole. I hope Coxford Councillors will vote against all cuts put forward by the Labour group and fight for a real alternative to austerity. Labour's mini-budget and the massive cuts they propose for next year confirm what the Trade Unionists and Socialist Coalition warned last year and this, Labour are no different to the Tories and are more than happy to carry out the dirty work of the ConDem coalition. Fighting councillors who oppose all cuts needed more than ever.

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
"Three Coxford ward councillors – former Cabinet member Keith Morrell, Don Thomas and Sally Spicer – said they had a duty to fight the closure on behalf of residents who elected them". Are you ready to support these three LH.

Osprey when this story came out I had a text asking me to help leaflet & campaign against this closure this was being done from the beginning. many people remarked on how their local Labour councillors should be fighting for them.
now surprise,surprise the three of them come out & support the Tories no closure campaign.
All I would say to them is welcome aboard this campaign

But surely it would be hypocritical for you to support these lying cheating LABOUR Councillors?

Condor Man wrote:
It doesn't matter what the previous council said, foolish people voted against them and we're seeing the results now. Morrell and Thomas are clearly at odds with the leadership and it'll drag on for the next 3 years.

Only in your opinion of course.

bigfella777 wrote:
How on earth does it take 30 staff to run a swimming pool? It says it all really.
Why is the leak such a big deal,the council employs tilers why cant they patch it up,I bet they wouldn't have these kinds of issues in Poland.

You could always be the hero to put your finger in the crack?

Anyone with a short memory might want to be reminded that the Tories marched against closure of St Mary's Leisure Centre, smoking fat cigars, if I remember, then voted to close it when they got elected. Didn't get there way tho and backed down in face of community opposition. Never trust a Tory!

Nick Chaffey wrote:
Anyone with a short memory might want to be reminded that the Tories marched against closure of St Mary's Leisure Centre, smoking fat cigars, if I remember, then voted to close it when they got elected. Didn't get there way tho and backed down in face of community opposition. Never trust a Tory!

That's a silly story but it does show that none of them can be trusted really.

Bagamn wrote:
Royston seems to have a very short memory. It was his mate Hannides that hived of the sports and leisure to contract three years ago. He privatised Bitterne Leisure Centre and other sports facilities during the same period. Napoleon Smith and Co should get their facts right before slagging off other people.

Yes & those facilities are safe from Labours closure plans.
This was a council run facility & look what Labour are doing to it.
So the Tory decision has saved our facilities seems like the boys did good

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
"Three Coxford ward councillors – former Cabinet member Keith Morrell, Don Thomas and Sally Spicer – said they had a duty to fight the closure on behalf of residents who elected them". Are you ready to support these three LH.

Osprey when this story came out I had a text asking me to help leaflet & campaign against this closure this was being done from the beginning. many people remarked on how their local Labour councillors should be fighting for them.
now surprise,surprise the three of them come out & support the Tories no closure campaign.
All I would say to them is welcome aboard this campaign

But surely it would be hypocritical for you to support these lying cheating LABOUR Councillors?

Where did I say I would support them?
don Thomas is a joke & shouts off to the press when he hasn't got his facts right but he thinks it's going to impress his wards electorate.
Morrell should have stood up & called Williams a liar he didn't he just cowered. the other one I know nothing about but all three are coming to the party a bit late.
All I said was all were welcome to the campaign at no point did I say I'd support them.
Osprey I can't swim so I never use this or any other swimming pool but I would fight to keep a facility that old & young use to keep fit.
Have they looked at doing what the Tory council did & put it into a private companies hands?

loosehead wrote:
Cllr Thomas said: “Whilst we all recognise that this Tory-led Coalition government has slashed our funding, trying to force local authorities into dismantling local government, with leisure facilities such as Oaklands first in line, we must resist.”
Funny how the conservative council were facing up to the same shortfall but weren't shutting Oaklands Pool ?
The Tories have been out leafletting against this closure & now these Labour councillors come on side?
Were they getting worried?
Will the Unions agree this isn't the way to go & maybe the Tory way was best?
looks like we've jumped out of the frying pan into the fire voting this lot into power doesn't it?

True Loose but your forgetting the whole of Oaklands School and ground, going to be built on by a private developer, the School pulled down and home built in its place.
That is the Tory Plan, that they gave the go ahead on.

Ant Smoking MP wrote:

tootle wrote:
Tories are jumping on the anti-cuts bandwagon here. Fairly sure closure would have been quietly on the agenda if they couldn't find a private contractor to run it. RedLodge is community run, Shirley is private, why don't the politicians and community leaders work together to see if a solution can be found. It is shut for repairs at the moment so there is time. It is a good pool, used to be well used when my children were younger and is on many bus routes with no roads to cross for access. Bit of decent advertising might help.

Of course the land will be worth more for development if the pool isn't there.

Very true. Are the Tories pro cuts or anti cuts? Where is your honesty now Cllr Smith?

Yes Well even the Labour Party jump on the anti-cuts band wagon when it was getting close to the local election, they even got there best buddies out here in Southampton the local branch of the Socialist Workers Party to help them out.
The Anti-Cuts was started by the Socialist Party with the TUSC joining in more than 2 years ago.
So where is the honesty in both partys

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Cllr Thomas said: “Whilst we all recognise that this Tory-led Coalition government has slashed our funding, trying to force local authorities into dismantling local government, with leisure facilities such as Oaklands first in line, we must resist.”
Funny how the conservative council were facing up to the same shortfall but weren't shutting Oaklands Pool ?
The Tories have been out leafletting against this closure & now these Labour councillors come on side?
Were they getting worried?
Will the Unions agree this isn't the way to go & maybe the Tory way was best?
looks like we've jumped out of the frying pan into the fire voting this lot into power doesn't it?

True Loose but your forgetting the whole of Oaklands School and ground, going to be built on by a private developer, the School pulled down and home built in its place.
That is the Tory Plan, that they gave the go ahead on.

Southy the plans were to move the housing office & Library into Oaklands & use it as a community facility.
maybe building houses on the land the housing office could have been a possibility?

loosehead wrote:

SpicersVoice wrote: ok a slight error missing the "r" out.

Spicer I don't swim ( like a brick) but I was at a residents meeting in the channel Islands estate where this question on the pool was asked of Moulton he stated it wouldn't shut & they were looking at how to keep it open . You say you're an independent socialist. Would you rather take a low pay cut or see childrens & community pools shutting?

Invoke a false dilemma = Lost argument

Why should Southampton City Council Tax Payers in general subsidize Oaklands Pool ?
A fair few of the users do not pay SCC. council tax as they live in Nursling or Rownhams or else where. A fairer way would be to scrap the subsidy and make the punters pay, we would then see if it would be viable to keep it open.

The Watcher wrote:

loosehead wrote:

SpicersVoice wrote: ok a slight error missing the "r" out.

Spicer I don't swim ( like a brick) but I was at a residents meeting in the channel Islands estate where this question on the pool was asked of Moulton he stated it wouldn't shut & they were looking at how to keep it open . You say you're an independent socialist. Would you rather take a low pay cut or see childrens & community pools shutting?

Invoke a false dilemma = Lost argument

Invoke a false dilemma? Are you sure your a conservative?
Maybe you & Southy should get together?
I fight for my city my area & my country.
The Tory council were taking this city forward tell me you could see that?
If this pool was going to cost that much & not many people were using it don't you think it would have been shut?
Watcher? Open your eyes & watch or admit your a labour person or maybe you should be

Barbender wrote:
Why should Southampton City Council Tax Payers in general subsidize Oaklands Pool ?
A fair few of the users do not pay SCC. council tax as they live in Nursling or Rownhams or else where. A fairer way would be to scrap the subsidy and make the punters pay, we would then see if it would be viable to keep it open.

So you think it should have been put in private hands but still owned by us but paying us an income & the private company picking up the maintenance bill?
exactly what the tories did with the rest of the facilities that Labour & the Unions slated but they're now hopefully save from Labour cuts

loosehead wrote:

Bagamn wrote:
Royston seems to have a very short memory. It was his mate Hannides that hived of the sports and leisure to contract three years ago. He privatised Bitterne Leisure Centre and other sports facilities during the same period. Napoleon Smith and Co should get their facts right before slagging off other people.

Yes & those facilities are safe from Labours closure plans.
This was a council run facility & look what Labour are doing to it.
So the Tory decision has saved our facilities seems like the boys did good

Yes and who was it that stop the Tory council with there plans to closed it, Again it was the Socialist Party and TUSC with there Anti-Cuts campaign

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Bagamn wrote:
Royston seems to have a very short memory. It was his mate Hannides that hived of the sports and leisure to contract three years ago. He privatised Bitterne Leisure Centre and other sports facilities during the same period. Napoleon Smith and Co should get their facts right before slagging off other people.

Yes & those facilities are safe from Labours closure plans.
This was a council run facility & look what Labour are doing to it.
So the Tory decision has saved our facilities seems like the boys did good

Yes and who was it that stop the Tory council with there plans to closed it, Again it was the Socialist Party and TUSC with there Anti-Cuts campaign

You are actually taking credit for this?

Ok, can we have some evidence please?

The Watcher wrote:

loosehead wrote:

SpicersVoice wrote: ok a slight error missing the "r" out.

Spicer I don't swim ( like a brick) but I was at a residents meeting in the channel Islands estate where this question on the pool was asked of Moulton he stated it wouldn't shut & they were looking at how to keep it open . You say you're an independent socialist. Would you rather take a low pay cut or see childrens & community pools shutting?

Invoke a false dilemma = Lost argument

"Would you rather take a low pay cut or see childrens & community pools shutting?" Always the Tory chant, but cuts aren't necessary. No need for pay, jobs or service cuts. It's just the mantra of pro-business austerity parties, ConDems and Labour who want us to prop up the spivs in the city who caused this crisis. You like getting ripped off?

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Cllr Thomas said: “Whilst we all recognise that this Tory-led Coalition government has slashed our funding, trying to force local authorities into dismantling local government, with leisure facilities such as Oaklands first in line, we must resist.”
Funny how the conservative council were facing up to the same shortfall but weren't shutting Oaklands Pool ?
The Tories have been out leafletting against this closure & now these Labour councillors come on side?
Were they getting worried?
Will the Unions agree this isn't the way to go & maybe the Tory way was best?
looks like we've jumped out of the frying pan into the fire voting this lot into power doesn't it?

True Loose but your forgetting the whole of Oaklands School and ground, going to be built on by a private developer, the School pulled down and home built in its place.
That is the Tory Plan, that they gave the go ahead on.

Southy the plans were to move the housing office & Library into Oaklands & use it as a community facility.
maybe building houses on the land the housing office could have been a possibility?

The plans was to pull it all down the pool in all, to be built on the. The housing and Library are going to stay where they are located now, there was no plans in moving them because they are in a perfect location for the locals.

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
"Three Coxford ward councillors – former Cabinet member Keith Morrell, Don Thomas and Sally Spicer – said they had a duty to fight the closure on behalf of residents who elected them". Are you ready to support these three LH.

Osprey when this story came out I had a text asking me to help leaflet & campaign against this closure this was being done from the beginning. many people remarked on how their local Labour councillors should be fighting for them.
now surprise,surprise the three of them come out & support the Tories no closure campaign.
All I would say to them is welcome aboard this campaign

But surely it would be hypocritical for you to support these lying cheating LABOUR Councillors?

Where did I say I would support them?
don Thomas is a joke & shouts off to the press when he hasn't got his facts right but he thinks it's going to impress his wards electorate.
Morrell should have stood up & called Williams a liar he didn't he just cowered. the other one I know nothing about but all three are coming to the party a bit late.
All I said was all were welcome to the campaign at no point did I say I'd support them.
Osprey I can't swim so I never use this or any other swimming pool but I would fight to keep a facility that old & young use to keep fit.
Have they looked at doing what the Tory council did & put it into a private companies hands?

Can't win can they? They want to support your cause, but you still cannot accept their input, if you want the Pool kept open you have to back your words with action. I am sure there is a possible financial compromise which could meet all requirements, it's time to ditch the Political mantra and get down to debating the best outcome. You can't swim? What has that got to do with it? You can always wallow in the water and relax, you don't have to be a Duncan Goodhew to enjoy a Swimming Pool.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Bagamn wrote:
Royston seems to have a very short memory. It was his mate Hannides that hived of the sports and leisure to contract three years ago. He privatised Bitterne Leisure Centre and other sports facilities during the same period. Napoleon Smith and Co should get their facts right before slagging off other people.

Yes & those facilities are safe from Labours closure plans.
This was a council run facility & look what Labour are doing to it.
So the Tory decision has saved our facilities seems like the boys did good

Yes and who was it that stop the Tory council with there plans to closed it, Again it was the Socialist Party and TUSC with there Anti-Cuts campaign

You are actually taking credit for this?

Ok, can we have some evidence please?

Sure go to the council archives they have all the petitions. thats where all the evidence is now.
All Anti-Cuts petitions that related to this was handed over to the council, when the council had the meeting about the matter.

loosehead wrote:

The Watcher wrote:

loosehead wrote:

SpicersVoice wrote: ok a slight error missing the "r" out.

Spicer I don't swim ( like a brick) but I was at a residents meeting in the channel Islands estate where this question on the pool was asked of Moulton he stated it wouldn't shut & they were looking at how to keep it open . You say you're an independent socialist. Would you rather take a low pay cut or see childrens & community pools shutting?

Invoke a false dilemma = Lost argument

Invoke a false dilemma? Are you sure your a conservative? Maybe you & Southy should get together? I fight for my city my area & my country. The Tory council were taking this city forward tell me you could see that? If this pool was going to cost that much & not many people were using it don't you think it would have been shut? Watcher? Open your eyes & watch or admit your a labour person or maybe you should be

So if this pool isn't costing that much to subsidise then simply hive it off to a private contractor to look after.
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Alternatively look to a Big Society solution.
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Just doesn't need to be provided by the Council.

Shoong the thing is if it was not for the Socialist Party there would of been a number things lost a long time ago.
The trouble with the Socialist Party they do all this good work for the Community and nation like the Anti-Poll Tax Revolt when 9 mts into it bought down Thatcher. But they don't take the credit for it, they let others take the credit for what they done, and its about time the Socialist Party did start taking credit for what they done and not let the band wagon jumpers that the credit.

As I wrote on this site before, Oaklands and Biterne swimming pools were created by Labour run council when it had a decent and exceptionally capable leader Dr. Alan Whitehead. Some of us may not have always agreed with Alan on everything, because amount of ability in that Labour Group was so great,(unlike the current crop of creepers who only know to self efface themselves for the sake of pleasing their unfit for the purpose 'Dear Leader') but on creating facilities which could be beneficial to people's health, like swimming pools we were all united.

As member of Alan Whitehead's old team I am terribly disappointed that creation of which we in Old Labour were very proud, and which survived even Cllr. Smith's slaughter is now threatened by these arrogant disgraceful obnoxious and unprincipled NuLabourites, the traitors who have brought the good name of Labour into disrepute.

As seen at the last Council meeting these  Dear Leader led NuLabour local councillors are even more arrogant than the right wing mob of Milliband in Parliament. They are so bad that they could endbup in making even Tory Posh boys appear loveable lads.

NuLabourites are moving so fast to the right that even Tory Smith could soon start appearing to be sane and sensible!

One of the greatest Leaders of India's struggle for freedom socialist Netaji used to say 'enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine'. On that basis I may be anti Tories but if they can be useful in saving this shameless NuLabour cut then i won't hesitate from appreciating their stand.

But as opponent of all cuts and their overall economic and social policies  i will stick with my committment to Old Labour's socialist values, virtually all which have also been betrayed by Right-wingers of NuLabour.

 Honesty in public office is important part of foundation of socialism. But these arrogant councillors, most of whom in last council meeting bragged that they can do whatever they like, appear to have forgotten that very basic principle. 

Prince of Darkness Mandelson has made NuLabourites experts in con-tricks and taught them how to slither out of tight situations like snakes. 

So I am naturally suspicious about the stand of our three Coxford ward councillors. 

Considering if they were stupid enough to support this cruel cut in their own ward it could cook their political goose, and their Dear Leader has enough number of other sheep in the Chamber to blindly vote for this lunacy, I won't be surprised that this rebellion is simply state managed mirage. 

The three muskteers should be bit honest and answer some simple questions:

Was the issue if this pool deliberately not mentioned during election so later on their party could say 'Ah we did not promise to save it' as arrogantly stated by clever wordsmith Simon Letts?

Is there any understanding within NuLabour Group or Party that for opportunist reasons they will do this drama and will be allowed to vote against this most unpopular cut in their ward without any threat of action by NuLabour Whip?

Will it not be hypocrisy if they behave like mercenaries by only opposing a cut in their own backyard BUT then go on supporting the same NuLabour Group when it will be going like blood thirsty vampire after the services or facilities in other areas and jobs of many workers?

Why are they not openly saying that their party and Dear Leader has not even an ounce compression for ordinary people and have shifted to even right of Tories, so to stay a socialist they are bidding good bye to Milliband led MOB and have started opposing all unnecessary cuts?

BIG PICTURE
Once you get the big picture, the decisions become clear.
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Oasis move out of the Oaklands building at the end of this month.
The plan ALWAYS was that the sites of the two school (Oaklands and Millbrook) would be sold for housing to cover the costs of the new build.
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The Millbrook site has now found other (and commendable) use.
The Oaklands site is ONLY worth money if it can be cleared and sold as a whole.
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Why not put a pool back in at Millbrook - where there is more space, where it can be used on a daily basis as well as by leisure users, and is further from the TVBC boundary?
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BIG PICTURE

The Watcher wrote:

loosehead wrote:

The Watcher wrote:

loosehead wrote:

SpicersVoice wrote: ok a slight error missing the "r" out.

Spicer I don't swim ( like a brick) but I was at a residents meeting in the channel Islands estate where this question on the pool was asked of Moulton he stated it wouldn't shut & they were looking at how to keep it open . You say you're an independent socialist. Would you rather take a low pay cut or see childrens & community pools shutting?

Invoke a false dilemma = Lost argument

Invoke a false dilemma? Are you sure your a conservative? Maybe you & Southy should get together? I fight for my city my area & my country. The Tory council were taking this city forward tell me you could see that? If this pool was going to cost that much & not many people were using it don't you think it would have been shut? Watcher? Open your eyes & watch or admit your a labour person or maybe you should be

So if this pool isn't costing that much to subsidise then simply hive it off to a private contractor to look after.
.
Alternatively look to a Big Society solution.
.
Just doesn't need to be provided by the Council.

Privateers run public services for a profit. Using public money, they run down services, cut jobs and wages putting up prices at the same time so excluding those on benefits and lower incomes.Privatisatio
n no answer!

southy wrote:
Shoong the thing is if it was not for the Socialist Party there would of been a number things lost a long time ago.
The trouble with the Socialist Party they do all this good work for the Community and nation like the Anti-Poll Tax Revolt when 9 mts into it bought down Thatcher. But they don't take the credit for it, they let others take the credit for what they done, and its about time the Socialist Party did start taking credit for what they done and not let the band wagon jumpers that the credit.

So no evidence then, just assuming that we'll believe you.

I'm afraid we are not as gullible as you would like to think, most are not blinded by extreme leftism and your propaganda.

If anyone is taking a leap on the bandwagon, unless you can produce evidence the TUSC and/or the Socialist Party saved 'a number of things' (how ambiguous), that would be you. I for one will assume, without any evidence to back up your statement, you're making it up again for your own political agenda.

Nick Chaffey wrote:

The Watcher wrote:

loosehead wrote:

The Watcher wrote:

loosehead wrote:

SpicersVoice wrote: ok a slight error missing the "r" out.

Spicer I don't swim ( like a brick) but I was at a residents meeting in the channel Islands estate where this question on the pool was asked of Moulton he stated it wouldn't shut & they were looking at how to keep it open . You say you're an independent socialist. Would you rather take a low pay cut or see childrens & community pools shutting?

Invoke a false dilemma = Lost argument

Invoke a false dilemma? Are you sure your a conservative? Maybe you & Southy should get together? I fight for my city my area & my country. The Tory council were taking this city forward tell me you could see that? If this pool was going to cost that much & not many people were using it don't you think it would have been shut? Watcher? Open your eyes & watch or admit your a labour person or maybe you should be

So if this pool isn't costing that much to subsidise then simply hive it off to a private contractor to look after.
.
Alternatively look to a Big Society solution.
.
Just doesn't need to be provided by the Council.

Privateers run public services for a profit. Using public money, they run down services, cut jobs and wages putting up prices at the same time so excluding those on benefits and lower incomes.Privatisatio

n no answer!

But they donate to main political parties!!!

 Although Tories are by far the biggest recipients of these immoral slush funds others are not exactly immune.

Basically our main stream political class has no principles left, so has started to behave like combination of priests and prostitutes.........
Hiding behind established cloak of respectability while complying with the dictates of whichever parvert is willing to pay the price for shady affairs

housewife wrote:
BIG PICTURE
Once you get the big picture, the decisions become clear.
.
Oasis move out of the Oaklands building at the end of this month.
The plan ALWAYS was that the sites of the two school (Oaklands and Millbrook) would be sold for housing to cover the costs of the new build.
.
The Millbrook site has now found other (and commendable) use.
The Oaklands site is ONLY worth money if it can be cleared and sold as a whole.
.
Why not put a pool back in at Millbrook - where there is more space, where it can be used on a daily basis as well as by leisure users, and is further from the TVBC boundary?
.
BIG PICTURE

Sorry but all new Academy buildings were/are paid for by central Government so the selling off of both schools would not have been used to build this new school( monies).
Regents Park Girls school would have been different as the money made from that sell would have seen a great building demolished & a new St Marks & Regents park college built on the present St.Marks (was) Western School

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong the thing is if it was not for the Socialist Party there would of been a number things lost a long time ago.
The trouble with the Socialist Party they do all this good work for the Community and nation like the Anti-Poll Tax Revolt when 9 mts into it bought down Thatcher. But they don't take the credit for it, they let others take the credit for what they done, and its about time the Socialist Party did start taking credit for what they done and not let the band wagon jumpers that the credit.

So no evidence then, just assuming that we'll believe you.

I'm afraid we are not as gullible as you would like to think, most are not blinded by extreme leftism and your propaganda.

If anyone is taking a leap on the bandwagon, unless you can produce evidence the TUSC and/or the Socialist Party saved 'a number of things' (how ambiguous), that would be you. I for one will assume, without any evidence to back up your statement, you're making it up again for your own political agenda.

Mr Shoong, Southampton Socialist Party has campaigned over many years since 1996 and before that as The Militant. We are opposed to cuts and have consistently given support to all those fighting back at work, in the trade unions and community. Our members have a long track record of success from the Poll Tax mass non-payment campaign, stopping the sell off of flats on International Way in Weston, keeping St Marys Leisure Centre open and recently the NHS Walk-In in Bitterne. Our members have stood as socialists in the general election in 1997, 2001 and 2010 and in many local elections. In 2011 and 2012 we stood across the city as part of the Trade Unionists & Socialist Coalition. Most of this has been widely covered in the Echo, BBC, Meridian. And if you really don't believe us, I've got boxes of all the leaflets here at home. Save Oaklands Pool, stop all cuts, elect fighting councillors, for a council budget of jobs for all, affordable housing, services for young and old. End the austerity!

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong the thing is if it was not for the Socialist Party there would of been a number things lost a long time ago.
The trouble with the Socialist Party they do all this good work for the Community and nation like the Anti-Poll Tax Revolt when 9 mts into it bought down Thatcher. But they don't take the credit for it, they let others take the credit for what they done, and its about time the Socialist Party did start taking credit for what they done and not let the band wagon jumpers that the credit.

So no evidence then, just assuming that we'll believe you.

I'm afraid we are not as gullible as you would like to think, most are not blinded by extreme leftism and your propaganda.

If anyone is taking a leap on the bandwagon, unless you can produce evidence the TUSC and/or the Socialist Party saved 'a number of things' (how ambiguous), that would be you. I for one will assume, without any evidence to back up your statement, you're making it up again for your own political agenda.

what you assume don't really matter, to many people know what I said is true to the word, to many signed those petitions. Told you where the evidence is now days its up to you now to go and look it up in the council achives.
What is you dont like and your friends on the extreme right wing, is the left getting on and doing some thing about it to stop you capitalist getting an easy ride. you also hate the fact that we are starting to unite people for the same causes

2 words says it all = New Sainsburys..........
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2 words says it all = New Sainsburys........

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong the thing is if it was not for the Socialist Party there would of been a number things lost a long time ago.
The trouble with the Socialist Party they do all this good work for the Community and nation like the Anti-Poll Tax Revolt when 9 mts into it bought down Thatcher. But they don't take the credit for it, they let others take the credit for what they done, and its about time the Socialist Party did start taking credit for what they done and not let the band wagon jumpers that the credit.

So no evidence then, just assuming that we'll believe you.

I'm afraid we are not as gullible as you would like to think, most are not blinded by extreme leftism and your propaganda.

If anyone is taking a leap on the bandwagon, unless you can produce evidence the TUSC and/or the Socialist Party saved 'a number of things' (how ambiguous), that would be you. I for one will assume, without any evidence to back up your statement, you're making it up again for your own political agenda.

what you assume don't really matter, to many people know what I said is true to the word, to many signed those petitions. Told you where the evidence is now days its up to you now to go and look it up in the council achives.
What is you dont like and your friends on the extreme right wing, is the left getting on and doing some thing about it to stop you capitalist getting an easy ride. you also hate the fact that we are starting to unite people for the same causes

You're not 'uniting' anyone Pete. That's what Trotskyism is about, it's a paranoid political doctrine which is exactly what you claim to be against. Easy ride?

This is from the guy who doesn't work.

I'm not extreme in any politics, that would be you, self confessed as well.

Nope, you didn't present any evidence. Your 'good word' doesn't count.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Shoong the thing is if it was not for the Socialist Party there would of been a number things lost a long time ago.
The trouble with the Socialist Party they do all this good work for the Community and nation like the Anti-Poll Tax Revolt when 9 mts into it bought down Thatcher. But they don't take the credit for it, they let others take the credit for what they done, and its about time the Socialist Party did start taking credit for what they done and not let the band wagon jumpers that the credit.

So no evidence then, just assuming that we'll believe you.

I'm afraid we are not as gullible as you would like to think, most are not blinded by extreme leftism and your propaganda.

If anyone is taking a leap on the bandwagon, unless you can produce evidence the TUSC and/or the Socialist Party saved 'a number of things' (how ambiguous), that would be you. I for one will assume, without any evidence to back up your statement, you're making it up again for your own political agenda.

what you assume don't really matter, to many people know what I said is true to the word, to many signed those petitions. Told you where the evidence is now days its up to you now to go and look it up in the council achives.
What is you dont like and your friends on the extreme right wing, is the left getting on and doing some thing about it to stop you capitalist getting an easy ride. you also hate the fact that we are starting to unite people for the same causes

You're not 'uniting' anyone Pete. That's what Trotskyism is about, it's a paranoid political doctrine which is exactly what you claim to be against. Easy ride?

This is from the guy who doesn't work.

I'm not extreme in any politics, that would be you, self confessed as well.

Nope, you didn't present any evidence. Your 'good word' doesn't count.

You just don't like it you been prove wrong yet again, Nick told you if you want to see some of the prof he has boxes of it at home.
But if you want real prof that can not be argue with, council archives.
And yes we are uniting people and thats some else you far to extreme right wingers don't like.
Because you know to well when people unite together no right winger can beat them, and united people can achive any thing, thats why you keep pumping out all this divide and conquer propaganda.
Trotskyism is that one of your words, to try and put people off, well it don't work, people are slowly realising and it will take more time for the rest to realise that Socialism is the Working Class Economics and Political Policy that suit them best, it was design for the working class. Unlike any form of Capitalism thats just for the Elitest but they need sheep like your self to follow them and keep speading there False propaganda.

Labour are really falling apart aren't they?

OceansofRed wrote:
Labour are really falling apart aren't they?

I won't bet on that.

Self confessed liar Cllr Keith Morrell who first agreed to make a completely false statement and then did a U turn is part of this group. How do we know he playing same tricks again?

I am told that even over that affair people other than Morrell and Williams are involved. If that is the case then he is still misleading the press and people.

As I don't know our new councillor I can only say that Don Thomas may be the one who is genuinely concerned. So as I have written before NuLabour may have allowed them to do this drama, because they can still win the vote.

I really feel sorry for Don because he is a good guy who really cares, but his party has become unbelievabley bad.

Well PB, that Asa Thorpe should also vote against. He's very loud in his opinions on local issues I find. All of Millbrook, Redbridge and Coxford is affected by this savage cut.

Nick Chaffey wrote:
Good to see opposition to closure of Oaklands Pool. Good to see Labour councillors fighting the cuts. But what about opposing all the cuts? We need to ensure the argument is made that these cuts are not necessary or inevitable. There is enough money lying in the banks of big business to stop all cuts and finance a budget to create jobs, housing and services to meet the needs of the city as a whole. I hope Coxford Councillors will vote against all cuts put forward by the Labour group and fight for a real alternative to austerity. Labour's mini-budget and the massive cuts they propose for next year confirm what the Trade Unionists and Socialist Coalition warned last year and this, Labour are no different to the Tories and are more than happy to carry out the dirty work of the ConDem coalition. Fighting councillors who oppose all cuts needed more than ever.

Some of us are more concerned about the moon causing earthquakes and dredging in Southampton water causing subsidence in Weston. Along with many other strange suggestions and bizarre ideas from your colleague Peter Wyatt (southy) is he really allowed to speak on behalf of the TUSC?? He would seem to be more suited to be a member of the flat earth society!!

stay local wrote:

Nick Chaffey wrote:
Good to see opposition to closure of Oaklands Pool. Good to see Labour councillors fighting the cuts. But what about opposing all the cuts? We need to ensure the argument is made that these cuts are not necessary or inevitable. There is enough money lying in the banks of big business to stop all cuts and finance a budget to create jobs, housing and services to meet the needs of the city as a whole. I hope Coxford Councillors will vote against all cuts put forward by the Labour group and fight for a real alternative to austerity. Labour's mini-budget and the massive cuts they propose for next year confirm what the Trade Unionists and Socialist Coalition warned last year and this, Labour are no different to the Tories and are more than happy to carry out the dirty work of the ConDem coalition. Fighting councillors who oppose all cuts needed more than ever.

Some of us are more concerned about the moon causing earthquakes and dredging in Southampton water causing subsidence in Weston. Along with many other strange suggestions and bizarre ideas from your colleague Peter Wyatt (southy) is he really allowed to speak on behalf of the TUSC?? He would seem to be more suited to be a member of the flat earth society!!

Said he who not even will to go and check, and you talk about me being stuck in the pass, and you can not also be bothered to go and find if I am right or not, and all that you got taught in school is out dated and no long taught in school because they its all change.
Just to find out what you know which as the greater pull on water the sun or the moon, and its easy to find out.

OceansofRed wrote:
Well PB, that Asa Thorpe should also vote against. He's very loud in his opinions on local issues I find. All of Millbrook, Redbridge and Coxford is affected by this savage cut.

We are going to get hit the hardest over this side of the city, and just think only about 15 to 20% of the cuts have been inpleanted, a lot more to come.

southy wrote:

stay local wrote:

Nick Chaffey wrote:
Good to see opposition to closure of Oaklands Pool. Good to see Labour councillors fighting the cuts. But what about opposing all the cuts? We need to ensure the argument is made that these cuts are not necessary or inevitable. There is enough money lying in the banks of big business to stop all cuts and finance a budget to create jobs, housing and services to meet the needs of the city as a whole. I hope Coxford Councillors will vote against all cuts put forward by the Labour group and fight for a real alternative to austerity. Labour's mini-budget and the massive cuts they propose for next year confirm what the Trade Unionists and Socialist Coalition warned last year and this, Labour are no different to the Tories and are more than happy to carry out the dirty work of the ConDem coalition. Fighting councillors who oppose all cuts needed more than ever.

Some of us are more concerned about the moon causing earthquakes and dredging in Southampton water causing subsidence in Weston. Along with many other strange suggestions and bizarre ideas from your colleague Peter Wyatt (southy) is he really allowed to speak on behalf of the TUSC?? He would seem to be more suited to be a member of the flat earth society!!

Said he who not even will to go and check, and you talk about me being stuck in the pass, and you can not also be bothered to go and find if I am right or not, and all that you got taught in school is out dated and no long taught in school because they its all change.
Just to find out what you know which as the greater pull on water the sun or the moon, and its easy to find out.

No Southy we have never discussed the different gravitational effects of the sun and the moon. The part I questioned was your claim that earthquakes could be attributed to the effects of the moons gravitation.
Secondly I have repeatedly questioned you claims about landslips in isolated inland areas being caused but dredging in Southampton water. Your claim of evidence is ‘EA tech (But fail to give any indication of who they are or when they make their investigations or what they looked at. You have completely ignored the report by the environment agency and defra, strangely enough there is no reference to EA tech on the three pages of reference material.

I am still waiting for you to give more details about the claim you made about vaccine damaged children, your evidence was…..’go and speak to a bloke who sometimes goes fishing at Redbridge’. There is a much longer list of ignorant ill-informed and completely wrong unsubstantiated claims, all of which make you a better candidate for the monster raving loony party, but you will have to do better to reach their level of success!

So please discuss with Nick are you a good representative of the TUSC?

Rather than continue the Political slagfest, would it not be better to discuss ways of solving this matter through common sense and sensible discourse?

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Nick Chaffey wrote:

The Watcher wrote:

loosehead wrote:

The Watcher wrote:

loosehead wrote:

SpicersVoice wrote: ok a slight error missing the "r" out.

Spicer I don't swim ( like a brick) but I was at a residents meeting in the channel Islands estate where this question on the pool was asked of Moulton he stated it wouldn't shut & they were looking at how to keep it open . You say you're an independent socialist. Would you rather take a low pay cut or see childrens & community pools shutting?

Invoke a false dilemma = Lost argument

Invoke a false dilemma? Are you sure your a conservative? Maybe you & Southy should get together? I fight for my city my area & my country. The Tory council were taking this city forward tell me you could see that? If this pool was going to cost that much & not many people were using it don't you think it would have been shut? Watcher? Open your eyes & watch or admit your a labour person or maybe you should be

So if this pool isn't costing that much to subsidise then simply hive it off to a private contractor to look after. . Alternatively look to a Big Society solution. . Just doesn't need to be provided by the Council.

Privateers run public services for a profit. Using public money, they run down services, cut jobs and wages putting up prices at the same time so excluding those on benefits and lower incomes.Privatisatio n no answer!

But they donate to main political parties!!!  Although Tories are by far the biggest recipients of these immoral slush funds others are not exactly immune. Basically our main stream political class has no principles left, so has started to behave like combination of priests and prostitutes......... Hiding behind established cloak of respectability while complying with the dictates of whichever parvert is willing to pay the price for shady affairs

Funny. I’m a union man and not part of any political party. I don’t normally come on this site and write as I know there are too many conservatives with one view.
However I do disagree with some comments, they couldn’t even negotiate with the unions hence the legal bill, the roads and paths are in extremely bad condition across the city, selling off premises, Capita & romance contract, Swimming pool neglected, and social workers leaving to go to other authorities that then cost’s the Council double in employing agency workers and the list keeps going on. What’s worse labour is going down the same route.
In regards to £500k to repair a swimming pool, ummm must be a big swimming pool to fix! Something sounds a bit odd. While my older kid was learning to swim there the little pool was closed (under Tory led Council) and is still closed. That’s a fact!
Anyway, I’m not sure what party is best. People are losing interest in politics due to false promises and the hard working people are becoming worse off. Under this Government they tax and attack the poor while the rich get richer by paying less income tax and avoid paying capital tax.
Sorry, this is my last comment for a few months or so… x …some of us have to work and with a pay cut. (Basically we’re not going to agree on things)
…38 degrees member though.