Rail upgrade plans ‘great news for Southampton’ say MPs

Daily Echo: A train at the platform at Southampton Central A train at the platform at Southampton Central

A MAJOR upgrade of Southampton Port’s rail links with the industrial heartland of Britain will safeguard thousands of jobs, Hampshire industry bosses say.

Ministers say improved freight services from the city would keep key roads clear of trucks and help stimulate trade through the docks.

The investment was unveiled yesterday by Prime Minister David Cameron and Deputy Nick Clegg as part of a £9 billion national programme, as reported by the Daily Echo .

Associated British Ports Southampton director Doug Morrison, below right, said: “This will add another string in the Southampton port’s bow and give our customers a greater choice and that is what it is all about for us.

“The way we can grow business is to take business away from competing ports by offering the choice of carrying more freight.

“This has come as a pleasant surprise and I am delighted that the Government recognises Southampton as a key international gateway and that it is supporting us with proper infrastructure.”

The improvements for rail connections would also help the port’s customers from Britain’s booming car industry, which this year alone is exporting 25 per cent more cars through the port.

The plans were also welcomed by DP World Ports, which sees the move as essential to its plans to expand trade through its container terminal.

Berths 201 and 202 are being combined next year with a 500m quay wall upgraded to create a new fourth berth that will be able to handle super-sized container vessels.

DP World head of commercial Aart Hille Ris Lambers said: “We see this as great news, especially because it helps maintain our advantage over other ports and increase how much is taken by rail by 40 per cent and so take congestion off the road.”

Southampton docks-based Freightliner, which carries containers from the port to distribution hubs in the Midlands, said electrifying would boost its operations.

A spokesman said: “Rail freight demand in the UK is predicted to grow, so the announcements made today are fantastic news for rail freight and Southampton to enable the network to handle the predicted increases.”

Jimmy Chestnutt, chief executive of Hampshire Chamber of Commerce , said: “This will help with safeguarding jobs, create jobs and maybe upskill existing ones.”

The news was welcomed by city council leader Cllr Richard Williams, below left, who said it was crucial to capitalise on the success of Southampton docks as driver of the Hampshire economy.

But he questioned why it would take until 2014 to start the electrification work, which is expected to be complete by 2019.

He said: “The Government should get on with it in top gear. Announcements are one thing, action is another. My main concern is that we are missing an opportunity and holding back the recovery.”

A Department of Transport spokesman said: “There is a great deal of work involved. We want to get on with all these things as quickly as possible, but there is a great deal of preparation work for the scheme.”

A programme for rail improvements, released yesterday, said an electrified route between Southampton, the Midlands and the north was “a crucial step in creating the right conditions for significant private sector investment”.

The Government hopes the upgrade will take lorries off major roads as well as freeing up existing diesel trains to use on passenger services.

Caroline Nokes , Conservative MP for Romsey and Southampton North , said: “Improved freight links to and from Southampton can only be a good thing.

“This will benefit not only businesses but also local residents by reducing the number of HGVs on the roads. The environmental benefits are also substantial and I look forward to hearing further details.”

Alan Whitehead , Labour MP for Southampton Test , said new designs of containers meant upgrades were needed.

He said: “I am very keen that rail upgrading continues to and from the port of Southampton. It’s an essential part of rail investment to keep the same amount of freight travelling by rail, and that’s what is happening in Southampton.”

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10:48am Tue 17 Jul 12

ajw1986 says...

Just one thing. PLEASE put some ATMs on the Toys R Us side of Southampton Central Station! :) Looking forward to the changes, central is already looking better.
Just one thing. PLEASE put some ATMs on the Toys R Us side of Southampton Central Station! :) Looking forward to the changes, central is already looking better. ajw1986
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10:50am Tue 17 Jul 12

southy says...

Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains. southy
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10:50am Tue 17 Jul 12

Georgem says...

ajw1986 wrote:
Just one thing. PLEASE put some ATMs on the Toys R Us side of Southampton Central Station! :) Looking forward to the changes, central is already looking better.
This story's about freight line upgrades, not the station upgrades!
[quote][p][bold]ajw1986[/bold] wrote: Just one thing. PLEASE put some ATMs on the Toys R Us side of Southampton Central Station! :) Looking forward to the changes, central is already looking better.[/p][/quote]This story's about freight line upgrades, not the station upgrades! Georgem
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11:11am Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

At last an updated photo at the top of the article but "A train at the platform at Southampton Central " !!! Do they have no idea what kind of train?
At last an updated photo at the top of the article but "A train at the platform at Southampton Central " !!! Do they have no idea what kind of train? OSPREYSAINT
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11:15am Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
Electrocation! Loving that word it says it all. There was a hint of electric trains from the South Coast to Yorkshire but not a clue about what method, dual voltage, electro diesel or new overhead line system? Who knows.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]Electrocation! Loving that word it says it all. There was a hint of electric trains from the South Coast to Yorkshire but not a clue about what method, dual voltage, electro diesel or new overhead line system? Who knows. OSPREYSAINT
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11:15am Tue 17 Jul 12

georgetheseventh says...

More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now. georgetheseventh
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11:20am Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

georgetheseventh wrote:
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?
[quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.[/p][/quote]Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure? OSPREYSAINT
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11:20am Tue 17 Jul 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members? Torchie1
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11:22am Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

ajw1986 wrote:
Just one thing. PLEASE put some ATMs on the Toys R Us side of Southampton Central Station! :) Looking forward to the changes, central is already looking better.
Automatic Ticket Machines? or ATM cash card machines?
[quote][p][bold]ajw1986[/bold] wrote: Just one thing. PLEASE put some ATMs on the Toys R Us side of Southampton Central Station! :) Looking forward to the changes, central is already looking better.[/p][/quote]Automatic Ticket Machines? or ATM cash card machines? OSPREYSAINT
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11:24am Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgem wrote:
ajw1986 wrote:
Just one thing. PLEASE put some ATMs on the Toys R Us side of Southampton Central Station! :) Looking forward to the changes, central is already looking better.
This story's about freight line upgrades, not the station upgrades!
That's why I mentioned the picture!
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ajw1986[/bold] wrote: Just one thing. PLEASE put some ATMs on the Toys R Us side of Southampton Central Station! :) Looking forward to the changes, central is already looking better.[/p][/quote]This story's about freight line upgrades, not the station upgrades![/p][/quote]That's why I mentioned the picture! OSPREYSAINT
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11:25am Tue 17 Jul 12

Georgem says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
georgetheseventh wrote:
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?
Duh! The Taxpayer!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.[/p][/quote]Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?[/p][/quote]Duh! The Taxpayer! Georgem
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11:27am Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?[/p][/quote]Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps. OSPREYSAINT
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11:30am Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
georgetheseventh wrote:
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?
Duh! The Taxpayer!
Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.[/p][/quote]Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?[/p][/quote]Duh! The Taxpayer![/p][/quote]Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it? OSPREYSAINT
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11:32am Tue 17 Jul 12

Torchie1 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.
With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?[/p][/quote]Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.[/p][/quote]With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like. Torchie1
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11:38am Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

As it should be, Train Driving is a seriously responsible position, despite modern signalling you still need a responsible person in charge of the train and to get the best you need to pay a reasonable wage and be on decent conditions of service. Bob Crow is only doing what he was elected to do, how does his wage compare to greedy banker or a discredited MP?
As it should be, Train Driving is a seriously responsible position, despite modern signalling you still need a responsible person in charge of the train and to get the best you need to pay a reasonable wage and be on decent conditions of service. Bob Crow is only doing what he was elected to do, how does his wage compare to greedy banker or a discredited MP? OSPREYSAINT
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11:49am Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Torchie1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.
With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.
Quote: Trainee drivers can earn around £17,500 a year. Experienced drivers can earn over £40,000 a year.
Not all that special really, there are a few exceptions who work all the hours God gave them but what sort of a Social life does that leave them? If they are paying 40% Tax that's fair enough isn't it? Would you do it?
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?[/p][/quote]Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.[/p][/quote]With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.[/p][/quote]Quote: Trainee drivers can earn around £17,500 a year. Experienced drivers can earn over £40,000 a year. Not all that special really, there are a few exceptions who work all the hours God gave them but what sort of a Social life does that leave them? If they are paying 40% Tax that's fair enough isn't it? Would you do it? OSPREYSAINT
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11:54am Tue 17 Jul 12

ohec says...

More pointless hype from this poor excuse of a government, we want action now to ignite the wheels of the country into motion, instead all we get is a load of talk and talk is cheap especially when their is always a U turn in sight. We should be spending our way to recovery with infrastructure and housing developments and creating jobs so that people have money to spend. What has this governments austerity program done for our country apart from grinding it to a halt, nothing and it will do nothing only make life harder for us all. They might just as well announce a countrywide monorail system to be built by the next government because as sure as hell it won't be this bunch of clowns, so they can say what they like.
More pointless hype from this poor excuse of a government, we want action now to ignite the wheels of the country into motion, instead all we get is a load of talk and talk is cheap especially when their is always a U turn in sight. We should be spending our way to recovery with infrastructure and housing developments and creating jobs so that people have money to spend. What has this governments austerity program done for our country apart from grinding it to a halt, nothing and it will do nothing only make life harder for us all. They might just as well announce a countrywide monorail system to be built by the next government because as sure as hell it won't be this bunch of clowns, so they can say what they like. ohec
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12:06pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Georgem says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
georgetheseventh wrote:
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?
Duh! The Taxpayer!
Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?
Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.[/p][/quote]Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?[/p][/quote]Duh! The Taxpayer![/p][/quote]Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?[/p][/quote]Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie. Georgem
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12:07pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Georgem says...

Torchie1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.
With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.
I do love this automatic assumption that anyone paying 40% tax is swanning around in a gold-plated Rolls Royce or something.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?[/p][/quote]Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.[/p][/quote]With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.[/p][/quote]I do love this automatic assumption that anyone paying 40% tax is swanning around in a gold-plated Rolls Royce or something. Georgem
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12:31pm Tue 17 Jul 12

ohec says...

Georgem wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.
With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.
I do love this automatic assumption that anyone paying 40% tax is swanning around in a gold-plated Rolls Royce or something.
I think there maybe many thousands of people out there that would love to pay 40% tax.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?[/p][/quote]Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.[/p][/quote]With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.[/p][/quote]I do love this automatic assumption that anyone paying 40% tax is swanning around in a gold-plated Rolls Royce or something.[/p][/quote]I think there maybe many thousands of people out there that would love to pay 40% tax. ohec
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12:37pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Bose99 says...

I cannot see how this will safeguard "thousands" of jobs in the south. The main beneficiaries will be the freight and shipping companies, and possibly hostels, or similar, for the extra train crews needed.
I cannot see how this will safeguard "thousands" of jobs in the south. The main beneficiaries will be the freight and shipping companies, and possibly hostels, or similar, for the extra train crews needed. Bose99
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1:09pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
georgetheseventh wrote:
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?
Duh! The Taxpayer!
Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?
Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.
Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.[/p][/quote]Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?[/p][/quote]Duh! The Taxpayer![/p][/quote]Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?[/p][/quote]Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps? OSPREYSAINT
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1:12pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

ohec wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.
With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.
I do love this automatic assumption that anyone paying 40% tax is swanning around in a gold-plated Rolls Royce or something.
I think there maybe many thousands of people out there that would love to pay 40% tax.
... and many out there that should be paying tax, but are dodging paying.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?[/p][/quote]Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.[/p][/quote]With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.[/p][/quote]I do love this automatic assumption that anyone paying 40% tax is swanning around in a gold-plated Rolls Royce or something.[/p][/quote]I think there maybe many thousands of people out there that would love to pay 40% tax.[/p][/quote]... and many out there that should be paying tax, but are dodging paying. OSPREYSAINT
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1:13pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Bose99 wrote:
I cannot see how this will safeguard "thousands" of jobs in the south. The main beneficiaries will be the freight and shipping companies, and possibly hostels, or similar, for the extra train crews needed.
If you can move stuff it improves productivity, moving it quickly by rail saves clogging up the roads doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Bose99[/bold] wrote: I cannot see how this will safeguard "thousands" of jobs in the south. The main beneficiaries will be the freight and shipping companies, and possibly hostels, or similar, for the extra train crews needed.[/p][/quote]If you can move stuff it improves productivity, moving it quickly by rail saves clogging up the roads doesn't it? OSPREYSAINT
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1:17pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgem wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.
With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.
I do love this automatic assumption that anyone paying 40% tax is swanning around in a gold-plated Rolls Royce or something.
It's the 40% tax that is preventing them from doing that.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?[/p][/quote]Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.[/p][/quote]With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.[/p][/quote]I do love this automatic assumption that anyone paying 40% tax is swanning around in a gold-plated Rolls Royce or something.[/p][/quote]It's the 40% tax that is preventing them from doing that. OSPREYSAINT
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1:24pm Tue 17 Jul 12

southy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bose99 wrote:
I cannot see how this will safeguard "thousands" of jobs in the south. The main beneficiaries will be the freight and shipping companies, and possibly hostels, or similar, for the extra train crews needed.
If you can move stuff it improves productivity, moving it quickly by rail saves clogging up the roads doesn't it?
The thing he getting at I think with new techonoly comes with job losses as not so many people are needed, and running thing just for profit will not help the majority because it is not sharing the wealth.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bose99[/bold] wrote: I cannot see how this will safeguard "thousands" of jobs in the south. The main beneficiaries will be the freight and shipping companies, and possibly hostels, or similar, for the extra train crews needed.[/p][/quote]If you can move stuff it improves productivity, moving it quickly by rail saves clogging up the roads doesn't it?[/p][/quote]The thing he getting at I think with new techonoly comes with job losses as not so many people are needed, and running thing just for profit will not help the majority because it is not sharing the wealth. southy
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1:38pm Tue 17 Jul 12

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.
With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.
Like to know where Bob Crow is on £150k, that is just total false propaganda, Bob Crow is on less than £100K a year and that includes all Expenses.
Its like when the Far right Wing was having a go at Bob Crow for eating at the Savoy, they miss out the part that it was all paid for out of his pockets and was not cliamed on though expenses, I see all sorts of silly meal prices one said it cost the union members £62k, when in fact it cost £230 for 8 people, plus tip. and it was a one off Birthday present meal.

And its £30 billion what was spent here in the South is not part of it.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?[/p][/quote]Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.[/p][/quote]With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.[/p][/quote]Like to know where Bob Crow is on £150k, that is just total false propaganda, Bob Crow is on less than £100K a year and that includes all Expenses. Its like when the Far right Wing was having a go at Bob Crow for eating at the Savoy, they miss out the part that it was all paid for out of his pockets and was not cliamed on though expenses, I see all sorts of silly meal prices one said it cost the union members £62k, when in fact it cost £230 for 8 people, plus tip. and it was a one off Birthday present meal. And its £30 billion what was spent here in the South is not part of it. southy
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1:42pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bose99 wrote:
I cannot see how this will safeguard "thousands" of jobs in the south. The main beneficiaries will be the freight and shipping companies, and possibly hostels, or similar, for the extra train crews needed.
If you can move stuff it improves productivity, moving it quickly by rail saves clogging up the roads doesn't it?
The thing he getting at I think with new techonoly comes with job losses as not so many people are needed, and running thing just for profit will not help the majority because it is not sharing the wealth.
I agree with that, in 1981 in my proffesion we were told that staff numbers were being reduced with the use of new technology, those members of staff remaining would be well paid, well they got the first part right!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bose99[/bold] wrote: I cannot see how this will safeguard "thousands" of jobs in the south. The main beneficiaries will be the freight and shipping companies, and possibly hostels, or similar, for the extra train crews needed.[/p][/quote]If you can move stuff it improves productivity, moving it quickly by rail saves clogging up the roads doesn't it?[/p][/quote]The thing he getting at I think with new techonoly comes with job losses as not so many people are needed, and running thing just for profit will not help the majority because it is not sharing the wealth.[/p][/quote]I agree with that, in 1981 in my proffesion we were told that staff numbers were being reduced with the use of new technology, those members of staff remaining would be well paid, well they got the first part right! OSPREYSAINT
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1:44pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bose99 wrote:
I cannot see how this will safeguard "thousands" of jobs in the south. The main beneficiaries will be the freight and shipping companies, and possibly hostels, or similar, for the extra train crews needed.
If you can move stuff it improves productivity, moving it quickly by rail saves clogging up the roads doesn't it?
The thing he getting at I think with new techonoly comes with job losses as not so many people are needed, and running thing just for profit will not help the majority because it is not sharing the wealth.
I agree with that, in 1981 in my proffesion we were told that staff numbers were being reduced with the use of new technology, those members of staff remaining would be well paid, well they got the first part right!
sorry spell check needed:- "profession" was what I meant to type.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bose99[/bold] wrote: I cannot see how this will safeguard "thousands" of jobs in the south. The main beneficiaries will be the freight and shipping companies, and possibly hostels, or similar, for the extra train crews needed.[/p][/quote]If you can move stuff it improves productivity, moving it quickly by rail saves clogging up the roads doesn't it?[/p][/quote]The thing he getting at I think with new techonoly comes with job losses as not so many people are needed, and running thing just for profit will not help the majority because it is not sharing the wealth.[/p][/quote]I agree with that, in 1981 in my proffesion we were told that staff numbers were being reduced with the use of new technology, those members of staff remaining would be well paid, well they got the first part right![/p][/quote]sorry spell check needed:- "profession" was what I meant to type. OSPREYSAINT
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1:54pm Tue 17 Jul 12

ajw1986 says...

Georgem wrote:
ajw1986 wrote:
Just one thing. PLEASE put some ATMs on the Toys R Us side of Southampton Central Station! :) Looking forward to the changes, central is already looking better.
This story's about freight line upgrades, not the station upgrades!
I know that :) i'm just sick of having to run over the other side! :) Either way, looking forward to the new changes....
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ajw1986[/bold] wrote: Just one thing. PLEASE put some ATMs on the Toys R Us side of Southampton Central Station! :) Looking forward to the changes, central is already looking better.[/p][/quote]This story's about freight line upgrades, not the station upgrades![/p][/quote]I know that :) i'm just sick of having to run over the other side! :) Either way, looking forward to the new changes.... ajw1986
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2:06pm Tue 17 Jul 12

southy says...

ajw1986 wrote:
Georgem wrote:
ajw1986 wrote:
Just one thing. PLEASE put some ATMs on the Toys R Us side of Southampton Central Station! :) Looking forward to the changes, central is already looking better.
This story's about freight line upgrades, not the station upgrades!
I know that :) i'm just sick of having to run over the other side! :) Either way, looking forward to the new changes....
ATM = At The Moment
[quote][p][bold]ajw1986[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ajw1986[/bold] wrote: Just one thing. PLEASE put some ATMs on the Toys R Us side of Southampton Central Station! :) Looking forward to the changes, central is already looking better.[/p][/quote]This story's about freight line upgrades, not the station upgrades![/p][/quote]I know that :) i'm just sick of having to run over the other side! :) Either way, looking forward to the new changes....[/p][/quote]ATM = At The Moment southy
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2:09pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Georgem says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
georgetheseventh wrote:
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?
Duh! The Taxpayer!
Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?
Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.
Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?
I'm for the investment.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.[/p][/quote]Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?[/p][/quote]Duh! The Taxpayer![/p][/quote]Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?[/p][/quote]Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?[/p][/quote]I'm for the investment. Georgem
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2:10pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Georgem says...

ohec wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.
With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.
I do love this automatic assumption that anyone paying 40% tax is swanning around in a gold-plated Rolls Royce or something.
I think there maybe many thousands of people out there that would love to pay 40% tax.
I'm sure there are. That doesn't change the fact that paying 40% tax doesn't equate to being rich.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?[/p][/quote]Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.[/p][/quote]With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.[/p][/quote]I do love this automatic assumption that anyone paying 40% tax is swanning around in a gold-plated Rolls Royce or something.[/p][/quote]I think there maybe many thousands of people out there that would love to pay 40% tax.[/p][/quote]I'm sure there are. That doesn't change the fact that paying 40% tax doesn't equate to being rich. Georgem
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2:10pm Tue 17 Jul 12

southy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Bose99 wrote:
I cannot see how this will safeguard "thousands" of jobs in the south. The main beneficiaries will be the freight and shipping companies, and possibly hostels, or similar, for the extra train crews needed.
If you can move stuff it improves productivity, moving it quickly by rail saves clogging up the roads doesn't it?
The thing he getting at I think with new techonoly comes with job losses as not so many people are needed, and running thing just for profit will not help the majority because it is not sharing the wealth.
I agree with that, in 1981 in my proffesion we were told that staff numbers were being reduced with the use of new technology, those members of staff remaining would be well paid, well they got the first part right!
sorry spell check needed:- "profession" was what I meant to type.
no problem i did under stand what you said.
My trade is lucky at the moment no Computor or Robot can do it yet, to many verables to take into account, while doing the job, I smile when they try to, it never works out the way they want it to.
Think my trade will be the last one that Computors or/and Robots will be able to do.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bose99[/bold] wrote: I cannot see how this will safeguard "thousands" of jobs in the south. The main beneficiaries will be the freight and shipping companies, and possibly hostels, or similar, for the extra train crews needed.[/p][/quote]If you can move stuff it improves productivity, moving it quickly by rail saves clogging up the roads doesn't it?[/p][/quote]The thing he getting at I think with new techonoly comes with job losses as not so many people are needed, and running thing just for profit will not help the majority because it is not sharing the wealth.[/p][/quote]I agree with that, in 1981 in my proffesion we were told that staff numbers were being reduced with the use of new technology, those members of staff remaining would be well paid, well they got the first part right![/p][/quote]sorry spell check needed:- "profession" was what I meant to type.[/p][/quote]no problem i did under stand what you said. My trade is lucky at the moment no Computor or Robot can do it yet, to many verables to take into account, while doing the job, I smile when they try to, it never works out the way they want it to. Think my trade will be the last one that Computors or/and Robots will be able to do. southy
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2:15pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.
With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.
Like to know where Bob Crow is on £150k, that is just total false propaganda, Bob Crow is on less than £100K a year and that includes all Expenses.
Its like when the Far right Wing was having a go at Bob Crow for eating at the Savoy, they miss out the part that it was all paid for out of his pockets and was not cliamed on though expenses, I see all sorts of silly meal prices one said it cost the union members £62k, when in fact it cost £230 for 8 people, plus tip. and it was a one off Birthday present meal.

And its £30 billion what was spent here in the South is not part of it.
Fascinating, are all party members of the TUSC able to see all transactions made by the leaders of the party?

I wonder how many of the people The Fat Controller claims to represent can eat at The Savoy in London. I did go to The Savoy website to see if they publish a menu, unless I've missed it they don't publish one - it's probably that exclusive.

Bob Crow is on £123,833 a year.

It has never been disputed.

The explanation is simple - you made it all up perhaps..?

I fully admit I could be wrong - if so then please direct me to where you got these facts so we can take a look for ourselves.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?[/p][/quote]Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.[/p][/quote]With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.[/p][/quote]Like to know where Bob Crow is on £150k, that is just total false propaganda, Bob Crow is on less than £100K a year and that includes all Expenses. Its like when the Far right Wing was having a go at Bob Crow for eating at the Savoy, they miss out the part that it was all paid for out of his pockets and was not cliamed on though expenses, I see all sorts of silly meal prices one said it cost the union members £62k, when in fact it cost £230 for 8 people, plus tip. and it was a one off Birthday present meal. And its £30 billion what was spent here in the South is not part of it.[/p][/quote]Fascinating, are all party members of the TUSC able to see all transactions made by the leaders of the party? I wonder how many of the people The Fat Controller claims to represent can eat at The Savoy in London. I did go to The Savoy website to see if they publish a menu, unless I've missed it they don't publish one - it's probably that exclusive. Bob Crow is on £123,833 a year. It has never been disputed. The explanation is simple - you made it all up perhaps..? I fully admit I could be wrong - if so then please direct me to where you got these facts so we can take a look for ourselves. Shoong
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2:18pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Shoong says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.
With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.
Like to know where Bob Crow is on £150k, that is just total false propaganda, Bob Crow is on less than £100K a year and that includes all Expenses.
Its like when the Far right Wing was having a go at Bob Crow for eating at the Savoy, they miss out the part that it was all paid for out of his pockets and was not cliamed on though expenses, I see all sorts of silly meal prices one said it cost the union members £62k, when in fact it cost £230 for 8 people, plus tip. and it was a one off Birthday present meal.

And its £30 billion what was spent here in the South is not part of it.
Fascinating, are all party members of the TUSC able to see all transactions made by the leaders of the party?

I wonder how many of the people The Fat Controller claims to represent can eat at The Savoy in London. I did go to The Savoy website to see if they publish a menu, unless I've missed it they don't publish one - it's probably that exclusive.

Bob Crow is on £123,833 a year.

It has never been disputed.

The explanation is simple - you made it all up perhaps..?

I fully admit I could be wrong - if so then please direct me to where you got these facts so we can take a look for ourselves.
Just to add ( this is your style but I feel I must) I am myself not Far Right Wing. Please justify this remark.

So what you're saying is that anyone who dares question Bob and his wages are perhaps members of the BNP or maybe the EDL..? You'll have to clarify.

That's the bigoted accusation you fling around at people when you don't agree with their opinion or you have been backed into a corner.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?[/p][/quote]Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.[/p][/quote]With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.[/p][/quote]Like to know where Bob Crow is on £150k, that is just total false propaganda, Bob Crow is on less than £100K a year and that includes all Expenses. Its like when the Far right Wing was having a go at Bob Crow for eating at the Savoy, they miss out the part that it was all paid for out of his pockets and was not cliamed on though expenses, I see all sorts of silly meal prices one said it cost the union members £62k, when in fact it cost £230 for 8 people, plus tip. and it was a one off Birthday present meal. And its £30 billion what was spent here in the South is not part of it.[/p][/quote]Fascinating, are all party members of the TUSC able to see all transactions made by the leaders of the party? I wonder how many of the people The Fat Controller claims to represent can eat at The Savoy in London. I did go to The Savoy website to see if they publish a menu, unless I've missed it they don't publish one - it's probably that exclusive. Bob Crow is on £123,833 a year. It has never been disputed. The explanation is simple - you made it all up perhaps..? I fully admit I could be wrong - if so then please direct me to where you got these facts so we can take a look for ourselves.[/p][/quote]Just to add ( this is your style but I feel I must) I am myself not Far Right Wing. Please justify this remark. So what you're saying is that anyone who dares question Bob and his wages are perhaps members of the BNP or maybe the EDL..? You'll have to clarify. That's the bigoted accusation you fling around at people when you don't agree with their opinion or you have been backed into a corner. Shoong
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2:47pm Tue 17 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.
With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.
Like to know where Bob Crow is on £150k, that is just total false propaganda, Bob Crow is on less than £100K a year and that includes all Expenses.
Its like when the Far right Wing was having a go at Bob Crow for eating at the Savoy, they miss out the part that it was all paid for out of his pockets and was not cliamed on though expenses, I see all sorts of silly meal prices one said it cost the union members £62k, when in fact it cost £230 for 8 people, plus tip. and it was a one off Birthday present meal.

And its £30 billion what was spent here in the South is not part of it.
Fascinating, are all party members of the TUSC able to see all transactions made by the leaders of the party?

I wonder how many of the people The Fat Controller claims to represent can eat at The Savoy in London. I did go to The Savoy website to see if they publish a menu, unless I've missed it they don't publish one - it's probably that exclusive.

Bob Crow is on £123,833 a year.

It has never been disputed.

The explanation is simple - you made it all up perhaps..?

I fully admit I could be wrong - if so then please direct me to where you got these facts so we can take a look for ourselves.
Wrong again Shoong Bob Crow is not a TUSC member, he just supports it.

And thats why there was so much made up storys about Bob Crow, because very few know, and if you ask him personally face to face he will tell you, ans the meal at the Savoy can be proven, Bod has the Receipt for that, He kept it because off all the lies that are being told about him.
RMT Union central office.
That £123,833 (only happened one year, last year it was below the £100,000) includes a year expenses of traveling up and down the country. and all overnights stays as well as is wages and he pays the full tax on it, even on the expenses, he do not make any tax claims, he gives money to good causes and don't expect any thing back, or a reduction in tax.
Yes you are wrong because you believe in that False Propaganda about him, and now I told you where to travel to so you can see with your own eyes the real truth of it all.

Remember the false propaganda about Sheridon put about by the Murdoch Empire, its now come about it was all lies and false propaganda and a doctored photograth what they done to him and got release from prison just before the phone hacking business.

Like i said before i dont need to prove any thing time will be on my side all the time, and its been a nuber of times i could of come back and said i told you so.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?[/p][/quote]Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.[/p][/quote]With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.[/p][/quote]Like to know where Bob Crow is on £150k, that is just total false propaganda, Bob Crow is on less than £100K a year and that includes all Expenses. Its like when the Far right Wing was having a go at Bob Crow for eating at the Savoy, they miss out the part that it was all paid for out of his pockets and was not cliamed on though expenses, I see all sorts of silly meal prices one said it cost the union members £62k, when in fact it cost £230 for 8 people, plus tip. and it was a one off Birthday present meal. And its £30 billion what was spent here in the South is not part of it.[/p][/quote]Fascinating, are all party members of the TUSC able to see all transactions made by the leaders of the party? I wonder how many of the people The Fat Controller claims to represent can eat at The Savoy in London. I did go to The Savoy website to see if they publish a menu, unless I've missed it they don't publish one - it's probably that exclusive. Bob Crow is on £123,833 a year. It has never been disputed. The explanation is simple - you made it all up perhaps..? I fully admit I could be wrong - if so then please direct me to where you got these facts so we can take a look for ourselves.[/p][/quote]Wrong again Shoong Bob Crow is not a TUSC member, he just supports it. And thats why there was so much made up storys about Bob Crow, because very few know, and if you ask him personally face to face he will tell you, ans the meal at the Savoy can be proven, Bod has the Receipt for that, He kept it because off all the lies that are being told about him. RMT Union central office. That £123,833 (only happened one year, last year it was below the £100,000) includes a year expenses of traveling up and down the country. and all overnights stays as well as is wages and he pays the full tax on it, even on the expenses, he do not make any tax claims, he gives money to good causes and don't expect any thing back, or a reduction in tax. Yes you are wrong because you believe in that False Propaganda about him, and now I told you where to travel to so you can see with your own eyes the real truth of it all. Remember the false propaganda about Sheridon put about by the Murdoch Empire, its now come about it was all lies and false propaganda and a doctored photograth what they done to him and got release from prison just before the phone hacking business. Like i said before i dont need to prove any thing time will be on my side all the time, and its been a nuber of times i could of come back and said i told you so. southy
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2:52pm Tue 17 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong said

Just to add ( this is your style but I feel I must) I am myself not Far Right Wing. Please justify this remark.

So what you're saying is that anyone who dares question Bob and his wages are perhaps members of the BNP or maybe the EDL..? You'll have to clarify.

I said Far Right Wing "NOT Extreme Right Wing" please learn the difference.
Far Right Wing is where the Torys stand and have done now for 32 years.
Shoong said Just to add ( this is your style but I feel I must) I am myself not Far Right Wing. Please justify this remark. So what you're saying is that anyone who dares question Bob and his wages are perhaps members of the BNP or maybe the EDL..? You'll have to clarify. I said Far Right Wing "NOT Extreme Right Wing" please learn the difference. Far Right Wing is where the Torys stand and have done now for 32 years. southy
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3:17pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.
With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.
Like to know where Bob Crow is on £150k, that is just total false propaganda, Bob Crow is on less than £100K a year and that includes all Expenses.
Its like when the Far right Wing was having a go at Bob Crow for eating at the Savoy, they miss out the part that it was all paid for out of his pockets and was not cliamed on though expenses, I see all sorts of silly meal prices one said it cost the union members £62k, when in fact it cost £230 for 8 people, plus tip. and it was a one off Birthday present meal.

And its £30 billion what was spent here in the South is not part of it.
Fascinating, are all party members of the TUSC able to see all transactions made by the leaders of the party?

I wonder how many of the people The Fat Controller claims to represent can eat at The Savoy in London. I did go to The Savoy website to see if they publish a menu, unless I've missed it they don't publish one - it's probably that exclusive.

Bob Crow is on £123,833 a year.

It has never been disputed.

The explanation is simple - you made it all up perhaps..?

I fully admit I could be wrong - if so then please direct me to where you got these facts so we can take a look for ourselves.
Wrong again Shoong Bob Crow is not a TUSC member, he just supports it.

And thats why there was so much made up storys about Bob Crow, because very few know, and if you ask him personally face to face he will tell you, ans the meal at the Savoy can be proven, Bod has the Receipt for that, He kept it because off all the lies that are being told about him.
RMT Union central office.
That £123,833 (only happened one year, last year it was below the £100,000) includes a year expenses of traveling up and down the country. and all overnights stays as well as is wages and he pays the full tax on it, even on the expenses, he do not make any tax claims, he gives money to good causes and don't expect any thing back, or a reduction in tax.
Yes you are wrong because you believe in that False Propaganda about him, and now I told you where to travel to so you can see with your own eyes the real truth of it all.

Remember the false propaganda about Sheridon put about by the Murdoch Empire, its now come about it was all lies and false propaganda and a doctored photograth what they done to him and got release from prison just before the phone hacking business.

Like i said before i dont need to prove any thing time will be on my side all the time, and its been a nuber of times i could of come back and said i told you so.
I fully believe you feel you don't need to justify or explain the garbage you peddle Pete because you actually believe it and believe yourself to be beyond reproach. All symptoms of a delusional mind no less.

Thus is odd. If one is to view the Wikipedia site for the TUSC, it clearly states 'Joint Leadership: Dave Nellist & Bob Crow.'
Now, I'm not saying Wikipedia is gospel but why has no-one chimed up and put them right?

'If you met him face to face...' Oh yes, so I'm supposed to believe third party information that he told you that you are now telling me is gospel! Whatever you say Pete! I believe you.
Facts with no evidence behind them, that could be interpreted as propaganda. Why not if I start playing by your rules?

Falling back on the 'I could have told you so' also indicates a child like mentality.

You want to represent the good citizens of Redbridge as a Councillor?

You're a gift to the opposition Pete. An absolute gift.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?[/p][/quote]Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.[/p][/quote]With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.[/p][/quote]Like to know where Bob Crow is on £150k, that is just total false propaganda, Bob Crow is on less than £100K a year and that includes all Expenses. Its like when the Far right Wing was having a go at Bob Crow for eating at the Savoy, they miss out the part that it was all paid for out of his pockets and was not cliamed on though expenses, I see all sorts of silly meal prices one said it cost the union members £62k, when in fact it cost £230 for 8 people, plus tip. and it was a one off Birthday present meal. And its £30 billion what was spent here in the South is not part of it.[/p][/quote]Fascinating, are all party members of the TUSC able to see all transactions made by the leaders of the party? I wonder how many of the people The Fat Controller claims to represent can eat at The Savoy in London. I did go to The Savoy website to see if they publish a menu, unless I've missed it they don't publish one - it's probably that exclusive. Bob Crow is on £123,833 a year. It has never been disputed. The explanation is simple - you made it all up perhaps..? I fully admit I could be wrong - if so then please direct me to where you got these facts so we can take a look for ourselves.[/p][/quote]Wrong again Shoong Bob Crow is not a TUSC member, he just supports it. And thats why there was so much made up storys about Bob Crow, because very few know, and if you ask him personally face to face he will tell you, ans the meal at the Savoy can be proven, Bod has the Receipt for that, He kept it because off all the lies that are being told about him. RMT Union central office. That £123,833 (only happened one year, last year it was below the £100,000) includes a year expenses of traveling up and down the country. and all overnights stays as well as is wages and he pays the full tax on it, even on the expenses, he do not make any tax claims, he gives money to good causes and don't expect any thing back, or a reduction in tax. Yes you are wrong because you believe in that False Propaganda about him, and now I told you where to travel to so you can see with your own eyes the real truth of it all. Remember the false propaganda about Sheridon put about by the Murdoch Empire, its now come about it was all lies and false propaganda and a doctored photograth what they done to him and got release from prison just before the phone hacking business. Like i said before i dont need to prove any thing time will be on my side all the time, and its been a nuber of times i could of come back and said i told you so.[/p][/quote]I fully believe you feel you don't need to justify or explain the garbage you peddle Pete because you actually believe it and believe yourself to be beyond reproach. All symptoms of a delusional mind no less. Thus is odd. If one is to view the Wikipedia site for the TUSC, it clearly states 'Joint Leadership: Dave Nellist & Bob Crow.' Now, I'm not saying Wikipedia is gospel but why has no-one chimed up and put them right? 'If you met him face to face...' Oh yes, so I'm supposed to believe third party information that he told you that you are now telling me is gospel! Whatever you say Pete! I believe you. Facts with no evidence behind them, that could be interpreted as propaganda. Why not if I start playing by your rules? Falling back on the 'I could have told you so' also indicates a child like mentality. You want to represent the good citizens of Redbridge as a Councillor? You're a gift to the opposition Pete. An absolute gift. Shoong
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3:19pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Shoong said

Just to add ( this is your style but I feel I must) I am myself not Far Right Wing. Please justify this remark.

So what you're saying is that anyone who dares question Bob and his wages are perhaps members of the BNP or maybe the EDL..? You'll have to clarify.

I said Far Right Wing "NOT Extreme Right Wing" please learn the difference.
Far Right Wing is where the Torys stand and have done now for 32 years.
You use the term "far right wing" exclusively to describe ANYONE who does not share your exact views, though. Thus, it has become meaningless.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Shoong said Just to add ( this is your style but I feel I must) I am myself not Far Right Wing. Please justify this remark. So what you're saying is that anyone who dares question Bob and his wages are perhaps members of the BNP or maybe the EDL..? You'll have to clarify. I said Far Right Wing "NOT Extreme Right Wing" please learn the difference. Far Right Wing is where the Torys stand and have done now for 32 years.[/p][/quote]You use the term "far right wing" exclusively to describe ANYONE who does not share your exact views, though. Thus, it has become meaningless. Georgem
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3:23pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
georgetheseventh wrote:
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?
Duh! The Taxpayer!
Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?
Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.
Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?
I'm for the investment.
So am I, if that sort of money had been ploughed into British Rail all those years ago, they wouldn't have been the laughing stock that they became through lack of investment, instead they chucked finance at money grubbing Train Operating Companies that have squandered most of it. I like the idea of investing in a Modern Railway System but it has to go into the right areas, not just good money thrown after bad.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.[/p][/quote]Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?[/p][/quote]Duh! The Taxpayer![/p][/quote]Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?[/p][/quote]Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?[/p][/quote]I'm for the investment.[/p][/quote]So am I, if that sort of money had been ploughed into British Rail all those years ago, they wouldn't have been the laughing stock that they became through lack of investment, instead they chucked finance at money grubbing Train Operating Companies that have squandered most of it. I like the idea of investing in a Modern Railway System but it has to go into the right areas, not just good money thrown after bad. OSPREYSAINT
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3:25pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong said

Just to add ( this is your style but I feel I must) I am myself not Far Right Wing. Please justify this remark.

So what you're saying is that anyone who dares question Bob and his wages are perhaps members of the BNP or maybe the EDL..? You'll have to clarify.

I said Far Right Wing "NOT Extreme Right Wing" please learn the difference.
Far Right Wing is where the Torys stand and have done now for 32 years.
Ok, so there is no distinction between Far Right Wing and simply right of centre then?

So, just for anyone's else benefit who might be reading this - if you voted for the Conservatives then you are Far Right Wing.

So what about the left? You keep saying your Centre Left.

So there is one rule for the Left of the political spectrum and one rule for the Right. That's just changing things to suit your own beliefs and promote your cause - Propaganda.

I do know the difference Pete but then I guess it's all a bit subjective, especially when you make it up as you go along.

You personify the Extreme Left then - Do as I say, not as I do. Hypocrisy on an almost Industrial scale.

Do stop embarrassing yourself, why not take your opinions somewhere where it actually matters?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Shoong said Just to add ( this is your style but I feel I must) I am myself not Far Right Wing. Please justify this remark. So what you're saying is that anyone who dares question Bob and his wages are perhaps members of the BNP or maybe the EDL..? You'll have to clarify. I said Far Right Wing "NOT Extreme Right Wing" please learn the difference. Far Right Wing is where the Torys stand and have done now for 32 years.[/p][/quote]Ok, so there is no distinction between Far Right Wing and simply right of centre then? So, just for anyone's else benefit who might be reading this - if you voted for the Conservatives then you are Far Right Wing. So what about the left? You keep saying your Centre Left. So there is one rule for the Left of the political spectrum and one rule for the Right. That's just changing things to suit your own beliefs and promote your cause - Propaganda. I do know the difference Pete but then I guess it's all a bit subjective, especially when you make it up as you go along. You personify the Extreme Left then - Do as I say, not as I do. Hypocrisy on an almost Industrial scale. Do stop embarrassing yourself, why not take your opinions somewhere where it actually matters? Shoong
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3:28pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Shoong wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.
With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.
Like to know where Bob Crow is on £150k, that is just total false propaganda, Bob Crow is on less than £100K a year and that includes all Expenses.
Its like when the Far right Wing was having a go at Bob Crow for eating at the Savoy, they miss out the part that it was all paid for out of his pockets and was not cliamed on though expenses, I see all sorts of silly meal prices one said it cost the union members £62k, when in fact it cost £230 for 8 people, plus tip. and it was a one off Birthday present meal.

And its £30 billion what was spent here in the South is not part of it.
Fascinating, are all party members of the TUSC able to see all transactions made by the leaders of the party?

I wonder how many of the people The Fat Controller claims to represent can eat at The Savoy in London. I did go to The Savoy website to see if they publish a menu, unless I've missed it they don't publish one - it's probably that exclusive.

Bob Crow is on £123,833 a year.

It has never been disputed.

The explanation is simple - you made it all up perhaps..?

I fully admit I could be wrong - if so then please direct me to where you got these facts so we can take a look for ourselves.
Just to add ( this is your style but I feel I must) I am myself not Far Right Wing. Please justify this remark.

So what you're saying is that anyone who dares question Bob and his wages are perhaps members of the BNP or maybe the EDL..? You'll have to clarify.

That's the bigoted accusation you fling around at people when you don't agree with their opinion or you have been backed into a corner.
You generally sound right of centre, no sign of far right opinion, that would be obvious from the start. Me I am slightly left of centre, I hate fanatics and extremists from either side, good old fashioned British Middle of the Road Politics for me but it doesn't tend to get results through being too wishy-washy, each to their own I guess?
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?[/p][/quote]Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.[/p][/quote]With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.[/p][/quote]Like to know where Bob Crow is on £150k, that is just total false propaganda, Bob Crow is on less than £100K a year and that includes all Expenses. Its like when the Far right Wing was having a go at Bob Crow for eating at the Savoy, they miss out the part that it was all paid for out of his pockets and was not cliamed on though expenses, I see all sorts of silly meal prices one said it cost the union members £62k, when in fact it cost £230 for 8 people, plus tip. and it was a one off Birthday present meal. And its £30 billion what was spent here in the South is not part of it.[/p][/quote]Fascinating, are all party members of the TUSC able to see all transactions made by the leaders of the party? I wonder how many of the people The Fat Controller claims to represent can eat at The Savoy in London. I did go to The Savoy website to see if they publish a menu, unless I've missed it they don't publish one - it's probably that exclusive. Bob Crow is on £123,833 a year. It has never been disputed. The explanation is simple - you made it all up perhaps..? I fully admit I could be wrong - if so then please direct me to where you got these facts so we can take a look for ourselves.[/p][/quote]Just to add ( this is your style but I feel I must) I am myself not Far Right Wing. Please justify this remark. So what you're saying is that anyone who dares question Bob and his wages are perhaps members of the BNP or maybe the EDL..? You'll have to clarify. That's the bigoted accusation you fling around at people when you don't agree with their opinion or you have been backed into a corner.[/p][/quote]You generally sound right of centre, no sign of far right opinion, that would be obvious from the start. Me I am slightly left of centre, I hate fanatics and extremists from either side, good old fashioned British Middle of the Road Politics for me but it doesn't tend to get results through being too wishy-washy, each to their own I guess? OSPREYSAINT
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3:32pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
georgetheseventh wrote:
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?
Duh! The Taxpayer!
Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?
Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.
Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?
I'm for the investment.
You do realise that you made more sense in four words than most on here do using hundreds?
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.[/p][/quote]Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?[/p][/quote]Duh! The Taxpayer![/p][/quote]Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?[/p][/quote]Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?[/p][/quote]I'm for the investment.[/p][/quote]You do realise that you made more sense in four words than most on here do using hundreds? OSPREYSAINT
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4:01pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Georgem says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
georgetheseventh wrote:
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?
Duh! The Taxpayer!
Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?
Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.
Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?
I'm for the investment.
You do realise that you made more sense in four words than most on here do using hundreds?
I do realise that.

(I did it again. Continue using four words. It is more expressive. Sentence length determines clarity. Others should consider this.)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.[/p][/quote]Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?[/p][/quote]Duh! The Taxpayer![/p][/quote]Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?[/p][/quote]Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?[/p][/quote]I'm for the investment.[/p][/quote]You do realise that you made more sense in four words than most on here do using hundreds?[/p][/quote]I do realise that. (I did it again. Continue using four words. It is more expressive. Sentence length determines clarity. Others should consider this.) Georgem
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4:07pm Tue 17 Jul 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
georgetheseventh wrote:
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?
Duh! The Taxpayer!
Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?
Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.
Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?
I'm for the investment.
You do realise that you made more sense in four words than most on here do using hundreds?
I do realise that.

(I did it again. Continue using four words. It is more expressive. Sentence length determines clarity. Others should consider this.)
So why are the right wing lot not investing there is over £300,000 billion being hoarded by the finance instutions and not being used
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.[/p][/quote]Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?[/p][/quote]Duh! The Taxpayer![/p][/quote]Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?[/p][/quote]Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?[/p][/quote]I'm for the investment.[/p][/quote]You do realise that you made more sense in four words than most on here do using hundreds?[/p][/quote]I do realise that. (I did it again. Continue using four words. It is more expressive. Sentence length determines clarity. Others should consider this.)[/p][/quote]So why are the right wing lot not investing there is over £300,000 billion being hoarded by the finance instutions and not being used southy
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4:13pm Tue 17 Jul 12

southy says...

Shoong said
Thus is odd. If one is to view the Wikipedia site for the TUSC, it clearly states 'Joint Leadership: Dave Nellist & Bob Crow.'
Now, I'm not saying Wikipedia is gospel but why has no-one chimed up and put them right?

Why should any one from the TUSC or RMT put them right we all know wiki is a joke and its rare for that site to get things right.
Its not a joint leadership its a 6 person steering committee, which Bob Crow is not one of them.
Shoong said Thus is odd. If one is to view the Wikipedia site for the TUSC, it clearly states 'Joint Leadership: Dave Nellist & Bob Crow.' Now, I'm not saying Wikipedia is gospel but why has no-one chimed up and put them right? Why should any one from the TUSC or RMT put them right we all know wiki is a joke and its rare for that site to get things right. Its not a joint leadership its a 6 person steering committee, which Bob Crow is not one of them. southy
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4:17pm Tue 17 Jul 12

southy says...

southy wrote:
Shoong said
Thus is odd. If one is to view the Wikipedia site for the TUSC, it clearly states 'Joint Leadership: Dave Nellist & Bob Crow.'
Now, I'm not saying Wikipedia is gospel but why has no-one chimed up and put them right?

Why should any one from the TUSC or RMT put them right we all know wiki is a joke and its rare for that site to get things right.
Its not a joint leadership its a 6 person steering committee, which Bob Crow is not one of them.
Some thing else for you to know also the TUSC also has Capitalist with in its memebership, which makes the TUSC a middle of the road political party, bit like Labour use to be before 1985
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Shoong said Thus is odd. If one is to view the Wikipedia site for the TUSC, it clearly states 'Joint Leadership: Dave Nellist & Bob Crow.' Now, I'm not saying Wikipedia is gospel but why has no-one chimed up and put them right? Why should any one from the TUSC or RMT put them right we all know wiki is a joke and its rare for that site to get things right. Its not a joint leadership its a 6 person steering committee, which Bob Crow is not one of them.[/p][/quote]Some thing else for you to know also the TUSC also has Capitalist with in its memebership, which makes the TUSC a middle of the road political party, bit like Labour use to be before 1985 southy
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4:28pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
georgetheseventh wrote:
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?
Duh! The Taxpayer!
Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?
Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.
Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?
I'm for the investment.
You do realise that you made more sense in four words than most on here do using hundreds?
I do realise that.

(I did it again. Continue using four words. It is more expressive. Sentence length determines clarity. Others should consider this.)
So why are the right wing lot not investing there is over £300,000 billion being hoarded by the finance instutions and not being used
£300,000 billion? Really? Sources, please.

Who are the "right wing lot"? Don't you normally tar me with that brush? Here's something you've clearly never considered before in your life, southy:

A lot of people prefer to consider issues on their actual merits, rather than simply assume the exact same stance on everything, as dictated by which of two apparent sides they chose to back. For example, although in general I am not in favour of nationalising industry, I happen to think that rail transportation does not do well when privatised. See? Although I generally think one way, I am capable of seeing that there is not actually one way that is always right in every situation. Amazing, eh? You should try this. Pretend you haven't made your mind up about absolutely every issue under the sun already.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.[/p][/quote]Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?[/p][/quote]Duh! The Taxpayer![/p][/quote]Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?[/p][/quote]Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?[/p][/quote]I'm for the investment.[/p][/quote]You do realise that you made more sense in four words than most on here do using hundreds?[/p][/quote]I do realise that. (I did it again. Continue using four words. It is more expressive. Sentence length determines clarity. Others should consider this.)[/p][/quote]So why are the right wing lot not investing there is over £300,000 billion being hoarded by the finance instutions and not being used[/p][/quote]£300,000 billion? Really? Sources, please. Who are the "right wing lot"? Don't you normally tar me with that brush? Here's something you've clearly never considered before in your life, southy: A lot of people prefer to consider issues on their actual merits, rather than simply assume the exact same stance on everything, as dictated by which of two apparent sides they chose to back. For example, although in general I am not in favour of nationalising industry, I happen to think that rail transportation does not do well when privatised. See? Although I generally think one way, I am capable of seeing that there is not actually one way that is always right in every situation. Amazing, eh? You should try this. Pretend you haven't made your mind up about absolutely every issue under the sun already. Georgem
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4:31pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Shoong said
Thus is odd. If one is to view the Wikipedia site for the TUSC, it clearly states 'Joint Leadership: Dave Nellist & Bob Crow.'
Now, I'm not saying Wikipedia is gospel but why has no-one chimed up and put them right?

Why should any one from the TUSC or RMT put them right we all know wiki is a joke and its rare for that site to get things right.
Its not a joint leadership its a 6 person steering committee, which Bob Crow is not one of them.
Of course. The entire internet is a right wing capitalist lie. 5 decades of work, just to try and make some tinpot nobody on a local news site in the UK, lose an argument.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Shoong said Thus is odd. If one is to view the Wikipedia site for the TUSC, it clearly states 'Joint Leadership: Dave Nellist & Bob Crow.' Now, I'm not saying Wikipedia is gospel but why has no-one chimed up and put them right? Why should any one from the TUSC or RMT put them right we all know wiki is a joke and its rare for that site to get things right. Its not a joint leadership its a 6 person steering committee, which Bob Crow is not one of them.[/p][/quote]Of course. The entire internet is a right wing capitalist lie. 5 decades of work, just to try and make some tinpot nobody on a local news site in the UK, lose an argument. Georgem
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5:16pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
georgetheseventh wrote:
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?
Duh! The Taxpayer!
Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?
Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.
Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?
I'm for the investment.
You do realise that you made more sense in four words than most on here do using hundreds?
I do realise that.

(I did it again. Continue using four words. It is more expressive. Sentence length determines clarity. Others should consider this.)
So why are the right wing lot not investing there is over £300,000 billion being hoarded by the finance instutions and not being used
£300,000 billion? Really? Sources, please.

Who are the "right wing lot"? Don't you normally tar me with that brush? Here's something you've clearly never considered before in your life, southy:

A lot of people prefer to consider issues on their actual merits, rather than simply assume the exact same stance on everything, as dictated by which of two apparent sides they chose to back. For example, although in general I am not in favour of nationalising industry, I happen to think that rail transportation does not do well when privatised. See? Although I generally think one way, I am capable of seeing that there is not actually one way that is always right in every situation. Amazing, eh? You should try this. Pretend you haven't made your mind up about absolutely every issue under the sun already.
On this subject good reasoned argument, but you must admit that isn't always the case, but if you believe you are right, you have to say so and I can't see why anyone would deny you that right.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.[/p][/quote]Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?[/p][/quote]Duh! The Taxpayer![/p][/quote]Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?[/p][/quote]Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?[/p][/quote]I'm for the investment.[/p][/quote]You do realise that you made more sense in four words than most on here do using hundreds?[/p][/quote]I do realise that. (I did it again. Continue using four words. It is more expressive. Sentence length determines clarity. Others should consider this.)[/p][/quote]So why are the right wing lot not investing there is over £300,000 billion being hoarded by the finance instutions and not being used[/p][/quote]£300,000 billion? Really? Sources, please. Who are the "right wing lot"? Don't you normally tar me with that brush? Here's something you've clearly never considered before in your life, southy: A lot of people prefer to consider issues on their actual merits, rather than simply assume the exact same stance on everything, as dictated by which of two apparent sides they chose to back. For example, although in general I am not in favour of nationalising industry, I happen to think that rail transportation does not do well when privatised. See? Although I generally think one way, I am capable of seeing that there is not actually one way that is always right in every situation. Amazing, eh? You should try this. Pretend you haven't made your mind up about absolutely every issue under the sun already.[/p][/quote]On this subject good reasoned argument, but you must admit that isn't always the case, but if you believe you are right, you have to say so and I can't see why anyone would deny you that right. OSPREYSAINT
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5:17pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
georgetheseventh wrote:
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?
Duh! The Taxpayer!
Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?
Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.
Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?
I'm for the investment.
You do realise that you made more sense in four words than most on here do using hundreds?
I do realise that.

(I did it again. Continue using four words. It is more expressive. Sentence length determines clarity. Others should consider this.)
Bravo!
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.[/p][/quote]Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?[/p][/quote]Duh! The Taxpayer![/p][/quote]Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?[/p][/quote]Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?[/p][/quote]I'm for the investment.[/p][/quote]You do realise that you made more sense in four words than most on here do using hundreds?[/p][/quote]I do realise that. (I did it again. Continue using four words. It is more expressive. Sentence length determines clarity. Others should consider this.)[/p][/quote]Bravo! OSPREYSAINT
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5:20pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Georgem wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
georgetheseventh wrote:
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?
Duh! The Taxpayer!
Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?
Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.
Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?
I'm for the investment.
You do realise that you made more sense in four words than most on here do using hundreds?
I do realise that.

(I did it again. Continue using four words. It is more expressive. Sentence length determines clarity. Others should consider this.)
Bravo!
It won't last if LH comes on board, he never uses one word when seven will suffice!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.[/p][/quote]Nothing positive in your post, not sure I understand what your point is? Who is being disadvantaged by an improvement to our local infrastructure?[/p][/quote]Duh! The Taxpayer![/p][/quote]Many Taxpayers are train travellers, it would be difficult to discriminate, especially if the train services becomes as good as they promise and motorists getting fed up with sitting in jams decide to move over. Who else do expect to pay for it?[/p][/quote]Seems you missed my sarcasm there. No biggie.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm is the poorest form of wit they say, still don't understand what you are trying say, are you for the investment or do you think it a waste of taxpayers money, more money to be spent on the roads perhaps?[/p][/quote]I'm for the investment.[/p][/quote]You do realise that you made more sense in four words than most on here do using hundreds?[/p][/quote]I do realise that. (I did it again. Continue using four words. It is more expressive. Sentence length determines clarity. Others should consider this.)[/p][/quote]Bravo![/p][/quote]It won't last if LH comes on board, he never uses one word when seven will suffice! OSPREYSAINT
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7:30pm Tue 17 Jul 12

phil maccavity says...

Will be interesting to see the detail of the electrification work
Surely the most benefit will be for passenger services to the Midlands and the North.
Freight would piggyback on the electrification upgrade
Wonder how electric trains will run into the Docks?
Presumably by live rail. Wont there be a safety problem?
Any rail experts out there?
Will be interesting to see the detail of the electrification work Surely the most benefit will be for passenger services to the Midlands and the North. Freight would piggyback on the electrification upgrade Wonder how electric trains will run into the Docks? Presumably by live rail. Wont there be a safety problem? Any rail experts out there? phil maccavity
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8:39pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Pity they can't restore the old Didcot and Newbury line to avoid Reading but I suspect too much of it has been built over.
Pity they can't restore the old Didcot and Newbury line to avoid Reading but I suspect too much of it has been built over. OSPREYSAINT
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9:37pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Bowmore says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.
All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?
Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.
With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.
Like to know where Bob Crow is on £150k, that is just total false propaganda, Bob Crow is on less than £100K a year and that includes all Expenses.
Its like when the Far right Wing was having a go at Bob Crow for eating at the Savoy, they miss out the part that it was all paid for out of his pockets and was not cliamed on though expenses, I see all sorts of silly meal prices one said it cost the union members £62k, when in fact it cost £230 for 8 people, plus tip. and it was a one off Birthday present meal.

And its £30 billion what was spent here in the South is not part of it.
Fascinating, are all party members of the TUSC able to see all transactions made by the leaders of the party?

I wonder how many of the people The Fat Controller claims to represent can eat at The Savoy in London. I did go to The Savoy website to see if they publish a menu, unless I've missed it they don't publish one - it's probably that exclusive.

Bob Crow is on £123,833 a year.

It has never been disputed.

The explanation is simple - you made it all up perhaps..?

I fully admit I could be wrong - if so then please direct me to where you got these facts so we can take a look for ourselves.
There are several menus on the Savoy website for the different restaurants, all complete with prices. 3 course menu of the day £27.50 3 course a la carte would cost around £50 to £60. Not cheap but many people could afford to have a meal at the Savoy as a treat or special occasion.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Listen to the Radio, 2 days ago when it was announced the Rail was going to spend £30 billion on the eastern tracks and east to west track, its going to be the biggest spend on the rail since Queen Victoria, they gave some of the details like the eletrocation of some tracks ect and a new shunting juntions and the 4 new feeder lines going into the new Container port that will be built on the north banks of the Thames (that be shell heaven they talking about) and the up grading of the London to Bristol lines and up to four tracks in places for over taking slow moving trains.[/p][/quote]All of the official sources refer to a £9.4 billion upgrade spent over a period of five years and do agree with you that it's ‘biggest modernisation since the Victorian era’. Presumably the other £20.6 billion is what Fat Controller Bob Crow will be looking for in extra wages for his members?[/p][/quote]Very disrespectful as usual, if you want a decent Railway, you will want decent workers, on decent wages, pay peanuts and you get a bunch of chimps.[/p][/quote]With Fat Bob on £150K and lots of his drivers paying 40% tax with all of the overtime and 'extras', I would suggest that they're on a decent wage which a lot of people in the UK would really like.[/p][/quote]Like to know where Bob Crow is on £150k, that is just total false propaganda, Bob Crow is on less than £100K a year and that includes all Expenses. Its like when the Far right Wing was having a go at Bob Crow for eating at the Savoy, they miss out the part that it was all paid for out of his pockets and was not cliamed on though expenses, I see all sorts of silly meal prices one said it cost the union members £62k, when in fact it cost £230 for 8 people, plus tip. and it was a one off Birthday present meal. And its £30 billion what was spent here in the South is not part of it.[/p][/quote]Fascinating, are all party members of the TUSC able to see all transactions made by the leaders of the party? I wonder how many of the people The Fat Controller claims to represent can eat at The Savoy in London. I did go to The Savoy website to see if they publish a menu, unless I've missed it they don't publish one - it's probably that exclusive. Bob Crow is on £123,833 a year. It has never been disputed. The explanation is simple - you made it all up perhaps..? I fully admit I could be wrong - if so then please direct me to where you got these facts so we can take a look for ourselves.[/p][/quote]There are several menus on the Savoy website for the different restaurants, all complete with prices. 3 course menu of the day £27.50 3 course a la carte would cost around £50 to £60. Not cheap but many people could afford to have a meal at the Savoy as a treat or special occasion. Bowmore
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9:47pm Tue 17 Jul 12

loosehead says...

Osprey stop being a jerk.
Osprey stop being a jerk. loosehead
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9:50pm Tue 17 Jul 12

loosehead says...

georgetheseventh wrote:
More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade.
No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.
Did you not read or listen to the news bulletin about this?
it's not just the South it said Manchester Sheffield & several other Northern cities oh! Sorry it never sai Liverpool but I guess Manchester's close enough
[quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: More multi-millions of taxpayers cash to help further Shamptons 'unfair' advantage over sea-going trade. No doubt dodgy Mike Pennington is behind this. The ex-fireman who was off sick so often they called him 'sicknote'..the FBU then got him an early pension and look where he is now.[/p][/quote]Did you not read or listen to the news bulletin about this? it's not just the South it said Manchester Sheffield & several other Northern cities oh! Sorry it never sai Liverpool but I guess Manchester's close enough loosehead
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9:54pm Tue 17 Jul 12

loosehead says...

As in the last article about this this will mean all electric trains having to be altered as they will be fed power from overhead cables.
I don't know too much about that technology but does that mean the tracks won't be electrified? So if any ones stupid enough to cross them they won't end up electrocuted?
As in the last article about this this will mean all electric trains having to be altered as they will be fed power from overhead cables. I don't know too much about that technology but does that mean the tracks won't be electrified? So if any ones stupid enough to cross them they won't end up electrocuted? loosehead
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11:18pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
Osprey stop being a jerk.
OK you beat me to it.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Osprey stop being a jerk.[/p][/quote]OK you beat me to it. OSPREYSAINT
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11:32pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

Associated British Ports Southampton director Doug Morrison, below right, said: “This will add another string in the Southampton port’s bow and give our customers a greater choice and that is what it is all about for us.

“The way we can grow business is to take business away from competing ports by offering the choice of carrying more freight.

“This has come as a pleasant surprise and I am delighted that the Government recognises Southampton as a key international gateway and that it is supporting us with proper infrastructure.”

Loosehead .............

As I said in previous postings on this site, Southampton ( ABP ) and other ports have like Liverpool , had government aid in the form of tax payer grants and investment that have aided them despite them being private companies. This investment in freight lines is nothing short of state aid to ABP Southampton and other areas of the country. I however have no intention of objecting to this aid as I believe in Great Britain Ltd. The more we invest in our country the better off our country will become.
Associated British Ports Southampton director Doug Morrison, below right, said: “This will add another string in the Southampton port’s bow and give our customers a greater choice and that is what it is all about for us. “The way we can grow business is to take business away from competing ports by offering the choice of carrying more freight. “This has come as a pleasant surprise and I am delighted that the Government recognises Southampton as a key international gateway and that it is supporting us with proper infrastructure.” Loosehead ............. As I said in previous postings on this site, Southampton ( ABP ) and other ports have like Liverpool , had government aid in the form of tax payer grants and investment that have aided them despite them being private companies. This investment in freight lines is nothing short of state aid to ABP Southampton and other areas of the country. I however have no intention of objecting to this aid as I believe in Great Britain Ltd. The more we invest in our country the better off our country will become. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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11:32pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
As in the last article about this this will mean all electric trains having to be altered as they will be fed power from overhead cables.
I don't know too much about that technology but does that mean the tracks won't be electrified? So if any ones stupid enough to cross them they won't end up electrocuted?
No, it doesn't mean that at all, there are plenty of examples of dual voltage trains, try travelling from Brighton to Bedford. Class 92 Freight locos are dual voltage. Electro Diesels have third rail electric and alternative diesel engines for non electrified lines. All of the 444 & 450 Desiro Units are capable of being converted to overhead lines. Arriva are talking about adding an extra coach to their Voyager units with alternative methods of traction. Freights for the Eastern and Western Docks could change from an electric engine to a diesel loco in Eastleigh Yard for their final leg. You are right about crossing tracks being stupid electrified or not.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: As in the last article about this this will mean all electric trains having to be altered as they will be fed power from overhead cables. I don't know too much about that technology but does that mean the tracks won't be electrified? So if any ones stupid enough to cross them they won't end up electrocuted?[/p][/quote]No, it doesn't mean that at all, there are plenty of examples of dual voltage trains, try travelling from Brighton to Bedford. Class 92 Freight locos are dual voltage. Electro Diesels have third rail electric and alternative diesel engines for non electrified lines. All of the 444 & 450 Desiro Units are capable of being converted to overhead lines. Arriva are talking about adding an extra coach to their Voyager units with alternative methods of traction. Freights for the Eastern and Western Docks could change from an electric engine to a diesel loco in Eastleigh Yard for their final leg. You are right about crossing tracks being stupid electrified or not. OSPREYSAINT
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11:38pm Tue 17 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
Associated British Ports Southampton director Doug Morrison, below right, said: “This will add another string in the Southampton port’s bow and give our customers a greater choice and that is what it is all about for us.

“The way we can grow business is to take business away from competing ports by offering the choice of carrying more freight.

“This has come as a pleasant surprise and I am delighted that the Government recognises Southampton as a key international gateway and that it is supporting us with proper infrastructure.”

Loosehead .............

As I said in previous postings on this site, Southampton ( ABP ) and other ports have like Liverpool , had government aid in the form of tax payer grants and investment that have aided them despite them being private companies. This investment in freight lines is nothing short of state aid to ABP Southampton and other areas of the country. I however have no intention of objecting to this aid as I believe in Great Britain Ltd. The more we invest in our country the better off our country will become.
Well said "proud", LH is probably not aware of the long standing Freightliner link between Southampton and Garston which has served both areas with distinction for years. Aid should be spread equally for the benefit of all parties.
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: Associated British Ports Southampton director Doug Morrison, below right, said: “This will add another string in the Southampton port’s bow and give our customers a greater choice and that is what it is all about for us. “The way we can grow business is to take business away from competing ports by offering the choice of carrying more freight. “This has come as a pleasant surprise and I am delighted that the Government recognises Southampton as a key international gateway and that it is supporting us with proper infrastructure.” Loosehead ............. As I said in previous postings on this site, Southampton ( ABP ) and other ports have like Liverpool , had government aid in the form of tax payer grants and investment that have aided them despite them being private companies. This investment in freight lines is nothing short of state aid to ABP Southampton and other areas of the country. I however have no intention of objecting to this aid as I believe in Great Britain Ltd. The more we invest in our country the better off our country will become.[/p][/quote]Well said "proud", LH is probably not aware of the long standing Freightliner link between Southampton and Garston which has served both areas with distinction for years. Aid should be spread equally for the benefit of all parties. OSPREYSAINT
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6:40am Wed 18 Jul 12

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
As in the last article about this this will mean all electric trains having to be altered as they will be fed power from overhead cables.
I don't know too much about that technology but does that mean the tracks won't be electrified? So if any ones stupid enough to cross them they won't end up electrocuted?
No, it doesn't mean that at all, there are plenty of examples of dual voltage trains, try travelling from Brighton to Bedford. Class 92 Freight locos are dual voltage. Electro Diesels have third rail electric and alternative diesel engines for non electrified lines. All of the 444 & 450 Desiro Units are capable of being converted to overhead lines. Arriva are talking about adding an extra coach to their Voyager units with alternative methods of traction. Freights for the Eastern and Western Docks could change from an electric engine to a diesel loco in Eastleigh Yard for their final leg. You are right about crossing tracks being stupid electrified or not.
Thank you for that information.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: As in the last article about this this will mean all electric trains having to be altered as they will be fed power from overhead cables. I don't know too much about that technology but does that mean the tracks won't be electrified? So if any ones stupid enough to cross them they won't end up electrocuted?[/p][/quote]No, it doesn't mean that at all, there are plenty of examples of dual voltage trains, try travelling from Brighton to Bedford. Class 92 Freight locos are dual voltage. Electro Diesels have third rail electric and alternative diesel engines for non electrified lines. All of the 444 & 450 Desiro Units are capable of being converted to overhead lines. Arriva are talking about adding an extra coach to their Voyager units with alternative methods of traction. Freights for the Eastern and Western Docks could change from an electric engine to a diesel loco in Eastleigh Yard for their final leg. You are right about crossing tracks being stupid electrified or not.[/p][/quote]Thank you for that information. loosehead
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6:41am Wed 18 Jul 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
Associated British Ports Southampton director Doug Morrison, below right, said: “This will add another string in the Southampton port’s bow and give our customers a greater choice and that is what it is all about for us.

“The way we can grow business is to take business away from competing ports by offering the choice of carrying more freight.

“This has come as a pleasant surprise and I am delighted that the Government recognises Southampton as a key international gateway and that it is supporting us with proper infrastructure.”

Loosehead .............

As I said in previous postings on this site, Southampton ( ABP ) and other ports have like Liverpool , had government aid in the form of tax payer grants and investment that have aided them despite them being private companies. This investment in freight lines is nothing short of state aid to ABP Southampton and other areas of the country. I however have no intention of objecting to this aid as I believe in Great Britain Ltd. The more we invest in our country the better off our country will become.
Proud the news said it was going up to your part of the woods maybe you should be pushing to get it all the way?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: Associated British Ports Southampton director Doug Morrison, below right, said: “This will add another string in the Southampton port’s bow and give our customers a greater choice and that is what it is all about for us. “The way we can grow business is to take business away from competing ports by offering the choice of carrying more freight. “This has come as a pleasant surprise and I am delighted that the Government recognises Southampton as a key international gateway and that it is supporting us with proper infrastructure.” Loosehead ............. As I said in previous postings on this site, Southampton ( ABP ) and other ports have like Liverpool , had government aid in the form of tax payer grants and investment that have aided them despite them being private companies. This investment in freight lines is nothing short of state aid to ABP Southampton and other areas of the country. I however have no intention of objecting to this aid as I believe in Great Britain Ltd. The more we invest in our country the better off our country will become.[/p][/quote]Proud the news said it was going up to your part of the woods maybe you should be pushing to get it all the way? loosehead
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6:55am Wed 18 Jul 12

arizonan says...

Nice , 'Leg-up' for Goldman Sachs and the Government of Singapore from UK taxpayers. Shame the payback will accrue to the taxpayers in Jersey.
One thought though, if the Polar ice caps carry on melting at the exponential rate that they have been, the Northern and Scottish ports will come back into play.
These rail lines to South coast ports may then look a very bad investment.
Nice , 'Leg-up' for Goldman Sachs and the Government of Singapore from UK taxpayers. Shame the payback will accrue to the taxpayers in Jersey. One thought though, if the Polar ice caps carry on melting at the exponential rate that they have been, the Northern and Scottish ports will come back into play. These rail lines to South coast ports may then look a very bad investment. arizonan
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7:30am Wed 18 Jul 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

loosehead wrote:
Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
Associated British Ports Southampton director Doug Morrison, below right, said: “This will add another string in the Southampton port’s bow and give our customers a greater choice and that is what it is all about for us.

“The way we can grow business is to take business away from competing ports by offering the choice of carrying more freight.

“This has come as a pleasant surprise and I am delighted that the Government recognises Southampton as a key international gateway and that it is supporting us with proper infrastructure.”

Loosehead .............

As I said in previous postings on this site, Southampton ( ABP ) and other ports have like Liverpool , had government aid in the form of tax payer grants and investment that have aided them despite them being private companies. This investment in freight lines is nothing short of state aid to ABP Southampton and other areas of the country. I however have no intention of objecting to this aid as I believe in Great Britain Ltd. The more we invest in our country the better off our country will become.
Proud the news said it was going up to your part of the woods maybe you should be pushing to get it all the way?
Associated British Ports Southampton director Doug Morrison, below right, said: “This will add another string in the Southampton port’s bow and give our customers a greater choice and that is what it is all about for us.

“THE WAY WE CAN GROW BUSINESS IS TO TAKE BUSINESS AWAY FROM COMPETING PORTS BY OFFERING THE CHOICE OF CARRYING MORE FREIGHT ".

Loosehead , when will you COME OUT OF DENIAL and admit to the fact that ABP Southampton and thousands of companies ( ie :- the private sector ) have had and are still getting, and always will get, large subsidies, tax breaks and grants of British taxpayers money. This money is given in many different guises to British owned companies, foreign owned companies and even British sounding companies like ABP who use tax havens abroad to pay as little tax back to the British government.
ABP have no problem with this sort of backhanded subsidy as all they are interested in is profit at any price ( I have capitalised ( SHOUTED ) what they think this investment means to them, because you seem to have this rather naive attitude to how companies especially ABP work.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: Associated British Ports Southampton director Doug Morrison, below right, said: “This will add another string in the Southampton port’s bow and give our customers a greater choice and that is what it is all about for us. “The way we can grow business is to take business away from competing ports by offering the choice of carrying more freight. “This has come as a pleasant surprise and I am delighted that the Government recognises Southampton as a key international gateway and that it is supporting us with proper infrastructure.” Loosehead ............. As I said in previous postings on this site, Southampton ( ABP ) and other ports have like Liverpool , had government aid in the form of tax payer grants and investment that have aided them despite them being private companies. This investment in freight lines is nothing short of state aid to ABP Southampton and other areas of the country. I however have no intention of objecting to this aid as I believe in Great Britain Ltd. The more we invest in our country the better off our country will become.[/p][/quote]Proud the news said it was going up to your part of the woods maybe you should be pushing to get it all the way?[/p][/quote]Associated British Ports Southampton director Doug Morrison, below right, said: “This will add another string in the Southampton port’s bow and give our customers a greater choice and that is what it is all about for us. “THE WAY WE CAN GROW BUSINESS IS TO TAKE BUSINESS AWAY FROM COMPETING PORTS BY OFFERING THE CHOICE OF CARRYING MORE FREIGHT ". Loosehead , when will you COME OUT OF DENIAL and admit to the fact that ABP Southampton and thousands of companies ( ie :- the private sector ) have had and are still getting, and always will get, large subsidies, tax breaks and grants of British taxpayers money. This money is given in many different guises to British owned companies, foreign owned companies and even British sounding companies like ABP who use tax havens abroad to pay as little tax back to the British government. ABP have no problem with this sort of backhanded subsidy as all they are interested in is profit at any price ( I have capitalised ( SHOUTED ) what they think this investment means to them, because you seem to have this rather naive attitude to how companies especially ABP work. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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11:14am Wed 18 Jul 12

phil maccavity says...

Without going into the minutae of this particular rail upgrade which will benefit a large part of the country, including Liverpool, the difference between grants for rail what happened at rthe cruise terminal in Liverpool has been air brushed out.
The £17m of grant aid for the Liverpool cruise terminal was granted for a specific project ie calling cruises.
No one objected
The objection came when Liverpool then sought to dispense with the terms of the agreement and use the terminal for turnrounds, which were pecifically ruled out of the UK (and possibly the EU) grant aid agreement
If Liverpool had funded their cruise operation on a commercial basis, like every other UK cruise port, there would have been no argument
Without going into the minutae of this particular rail upgrade which will benefit a large part of the country, including Liverpool, the difference between grants for rail what happened at rthe cruise terminal in Liverpool has been air brushed out. The £17m of grant aid for the Liverpool cruise terminal was granted for a specific project ie calling cruises. No one objected The objection came when Liverpool then sought to dispense with the terms of the agreement and use the terminal for turnrounds, which were pecifically ruled out of the UK (and possibly the EU) grant aid agreement If Liverpool had funded their cruise operation on a commercial basis, like every other UK cruise port, there would have been no argument phil maccavity
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6:53pm Thu 19 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

arizonan wrote:
Nice , 'Leg-up' for Goldman Sachs and the Government of Singapore from UK taxpayers. Shame the payback will accrue to the taxpayers in Jersey.
One thought though, if the Polar ice caps carry on melting at the exponential rate that they have been, the Northern and Scottish ports will come back into play.
These rail lines to South coast ports may then look a very bad investment.
A large Ice Berg has broken off of the coast of Greenland and is apparently on the look out for the new Titanic replica.
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: Nice , 'Leg-up' for Goldman Sachs and the Government of Singapore from UK taxpayers. Shame the payback will accrue to the taxpayers in Jersey. One thought though, if the Polar ice caps carry on melting at the exponential rate that they have been, the Northern and Scottish ports will come back into play. These rail lines to South coast ports may then look a very bad investment.[/p][/quote]A large Ice Berg has broken off of the coast of Greenland and is apparently on the look out for the new Titanic replica. OSPREYSAINT
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