Millbrook Road West in Southampton flooded

Flooding on Millbrook Road West in Southampton.

Flooding on Millbrook Road West in Southampton.

First published in Winchester Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Education Reporter

HEAVY rain and a high tide has caused flooding on one of Southampton's busiest roads.

Standing water of up to two feet deep is causing delays for motorists attempting to leave the city on Mountbatten Way and Millbrook Road West.

Long queues are forming along the busy road, which is the main route out of Southampton to the west, leading to the M271 and New Forest, with traffic at a virtual standstill.

It is believed much of the floodwater has come up from sewers overwhelmed by torrential downpours during the afternoon, leaving a foul smell in the area.

A Southampton City Council spokesman said the flood was caused by a surge of seawater due to a high spring tide.

Daily Echo reporter Michael Carr said both sides of the carriageway are flooded, but the water is deeper on the westbound side.

He said: “It looks like a lake, and it stinks. It smells like seawater. The drains are bubbling up and it's pretty horrible.

“The traffic is down to walking pace, but one car looks like it's stranded - it's not moving at all.”

Two cars have broken down and are stranded in the water, with the water coming over the wheel arches.

A manhole cover has been pushed up by the water from below and cyclists have been battling through the water which was over their knees.

Jake Pearce, 26, was cycling through and said: "I should have brought my surfboard. I cycle along this road every day and have never seen anything like this."

Pauline Da Costa, 64, said she has been stuck for 45 minutes. She said: "I am amazed the emergency services have not done anything yet. It's about a foot deep."

Elsewhere, St. Cross Road in Winchester is also flooded after the heavy rain and the River Itchen has burst its banks at Riverside Park in Bitterne Park.

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7:44pm Wed 17 Oct 12

Sovietobserver says...

This has happened many times before especially when there are, like now, nepe tides at the Western Docks at the same time as local heavy rainfall, making the outfall pumps unable to cope with the volume of water needing to be disposed of through the pipes under the reclaimed land between Millbrook Road West and the River Test.
This was a design fault inherited from the 1930s when the Western Docks were constructed and when the platforms at Millbrook station were on the shoreline.
One wonders if the planned biomass plant nearby, if constructed ,would aggravate the situation, or if some form of alleviation could be incorporated into the site if it is developed.
This has happened many times before especially when there are, like now, nepe tides at the Western Docks at the same time as local heavy rainfall, making the outfall pumps unable to cope with the volume of water needing to be disposed of through the pipes under the reclaimed land between Millbrook Road West and the River Test. This was a design fault inherited from the 1930s when the Western Docks were constructed and when the platforms at Millbrook station were on the shoreline. One wonders if the planned biomass plant nearby, if constructed ,would aggravate the situation, or if some form of alleviation could be incorporated into the site if it is developed. Sovietobserver
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7:44pm Wed 17 Oct 12

dogbruce says...

It was shut this morning due to flooding ,Opened just in time for rush hour
It was shut this morning due to flooding ,Opened just in time for rush hour dogbruce
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7:50pm Wed 17 Oct 12

southy says...

there are 3 spots along Millbrook road that are all ways subject to flooding and each one is where a stream use to be, this one is from the stream that use to flow down from Shirley from four post, another location is where Millbrook stream flows from Waterhouse lane, and the 3rd is Tanners Brook. Monk Brook by Millbrook roundabout tends to flood in Mansel Park area.
there are 3 spots along Millbrook road that are all ways subject to flooding and each one is where a stream use to be, this one is from the stream that use to flow down from Shirley from four post, another location is where Millbrook stream flows from Waterhouse lane, and the 3rd is Tanners Brook. Monk Brook by Millbrook roundabout tends to flood in Mansel Park area. southy
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8:39pm Wed 17 Oct 12

Dragonqueen says...

Southampton city council where looking into this back in 2008/9 but they have never done anything about it, it has got worse since they resurfaced the road back in 2007/8
Southampton city council where looking into this back in 2008/9 but they have never done anything about it, it has got worse since they resurfaced the road back in 2007/8 Dragonqueen
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8:39pm Wed 17 Oct 12

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9:11pm Wed 17 Oct 12

bazzeroz says...

"We're all doomed"
"We're all doomed" bazzeroz
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9:22pm Wed 17 Oct 12

loosehead says...

When the American Dump/Western Shore was there we never had this problem.
I remember going over there & just by the hill the land was boggy & had reeds growing there on the other side there was a motor bike track ( dirt ring) but I wonder if instead of getting the docks to open up the dock road & keeping the existing Millbrook road the built this new road & flyover draining what was Western shore has caused the problem?
the other place of usual flooding is the service road right behind the Petrol Station.
once again this was where Millbrook Point was until the expanded/built the container port could that have shifted the water table?
Seems to me we've caused the problem in the pursuit of jobs for the whole area( City & Waterside)
When the American Dump/Western Shore was there we never had this problem. I remember going over there & just by the hill the land was boggy & had reeds growing there on the other side there was a motor bike track ( dirt ring) but I wonder if instead of getting the docks to open up the dock road & keeping the existing Millbrook road the built this new road & flyover draining what was Western shore has caused the problem? the other place of usual flooding is the service road right behind the Petrol Station. once again this was where Millbrook Point was until the expanded/built the container port could that have shifted the water table? Seems to me we've caused the problem in the pursuit of jobs for the whole area( City & Waterside) loosehead
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9:22pm Wed 17 Oct 12

Sovietobserver says...

Dragonqueen wrote:
Southampton city council where looking into this back in 2008/9 but they have never done anything about it, it has got worse since they resurfaced the road back in 2007/8
There was a serious flood here back in 1982, city engineers dept. at the time gave the same answer. The problem is the docks, when there is a high tide, this acts as a dam and so water backs up the drain pipes, the only solution would be to elevate this section of dual carraigeway by a metre or two, but would the disruption encountered be acceptable to avoid a once or twice annual event like today.
[quote][p][bold]Dragonqueen[/bold] wrote: Southampton city council where looking into this back in 2008/9 but they have never done anything about it, it has got worse since they resurfaced the road back in 2007/8[/p][/quote]There was a serious flood here back in 1982, city engineers dept. at the time gave the same answer. The problem is the docks, when there is a high tide, this acts as a dam and so water backs up the drain pipes, the only solution would be to elevate this section of dual carraigeway by a metre or two, but would the disruption encountered be acceptable to avoid a once or twice annual event like today. Sovietobserver
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9:46pm Wed 17 Oct 12

Eric_Cartman says...

Sovietobserver wrote:
This has happened many times before especially when there are, like now, nepe tides at the Western Docks at the same time as local heavy rainfall, making the outfall pumps unable to cope with the volume of water needing to be disposed of through the pipes under the reclaimed land between Millbrook Road West and the River Test.
This was a design fault inherited from the 1930s when the Western Docks were constructed and when the platforms at Millbrook station were on the shoreline.
One wonders if the planned biomass plant nearby, if constructed ,would aggravate the situation, or if some form of alleviation could be incorporated into the site if it is developed.
It's spring tides, not neaps that help to flood the road. I thought that the pumphouse at the King George V Drydock was used to drain some water from the roads.
I was on a ship in the drydock and I remember the dock master saying something about that. As far as I'm aware, the pump house is still fully operational, even though the drydock itself is not (at present).
[quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: This has happened many times before especially when there are, like now, nepe tides at the Western Docks at the same time as local heavy rainfall, making the outfall pumps unable to cope with the volume of water needing to be disposed of through the pipes under the reclaimed land between Millbrook Road West and the River Test. This was a design fault inherited from the 1930s when the Western Docks were constructed and when the platforms at Millbrook station were on the shoreline. One wonders if the planned biomass plant nearby, if constructed ,would aggravate the situation, or if some form of alleviation could be incorporated into the site if it is developed.[/p][/quote]It's spring tides, not neaps that help to flood the road. I thought that the pumphouse at the King George V Drydock was used to drain some water from the roads. I was on a ship in the drydock and I remember the dock master saying something about that. As far as I'm aware, the pump house is still fully operational, even though the drydock itself is not (at present). Eric_Cartman
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9:46pm Wed 17 Oct 12

loosehead says...

Sovietobserver wrote:
Dragonqueen wrote:
Southampton city council where looking into this back in 2008/9 but they have never done anything about it, it has got worse since they resurfaced the road back in 2007/8
There was a serious flood here back in 1982, city engineers dept. at the time gave the same answer. The problem is the docks, when there is a high tide, this acts as a dam and so water backs up the drain pipes, the only solution would be to elevate this section of dual carraigeway by a metre or two, but would the disruption encountered be acceptable to avoid a once or twice annual event like today.
As I've said the Western Shore use to take this water with out flooding the old Millbrook road
[quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dragonqueen[/bold] wrote: Southampton city council where looking into this back in 2008/9 but they have never done anything about it, it has got worse since they resurfaced the road back in 2007/8[/p][/quote]There was a serious flood here back in 1982, city engineers dept. at the time gave the same answer. The problem is the docks, when there is a high tide, this acts as a dam and so water backs up the drain pipes, the only solution would be to elevate this section of dual carraigeway by a metre or two, but would the disruption encountered be acceptable to avoid a once or twice annual event like today.[/p][/quote]As I've said the Western Shore use to take this water with out flooding the old Millbrook road loosehead
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10:20pm Wed 17 Oct 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
Dragonqueen wrote:
Southampton city council where looking into this back in 2008/9 but they have never done anything about it, it has got worse since they resurfaced the road back in 2007/8
There was a serious flood here back in 1982, city engineers dept. at the time gave the same answer. The problem is the docks, when there is a high tide, this acts as a dam and so water backs up the drain pipes, the only solution would be to elevate this section of dual carraigeway by a metre or two, but would the disruption encountered be acceptable to avoid a once or twice annual event like today.
As I've said the Western Shore use to take this water with out flooding the old Millbrook road
The Echo as a picture off Millbrook station (before the Dock was build) and the water was level with the station platform, (in the back ground you can just see the old fishermans homes on a island bank, where my grandad was born).
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dragonqueen[/bold] wrote: Southampton city council where looking into this back in 2008/9 but they have never done anything about it, it has got worse since they resurfaced the road back in 2007/8[/p][/quote]There was a serious flood here back in 1982, city engineers dept. at the time gave the same answer. The problem is the docks, when there is a high tide, this acts as a dam and so water backs up the drain pipes, the only solution would be to elevate this section of dual carraigeway by a metre or two, but would the disruption encountered be acceptable to avoid a once or twice annual event like today.[/p][/quote]As I've said the Western Shore use to take this water with out flooding the old Millbrook road[/p][/quote]The Echo as a picture off Millbrook station (before the Dock was build) and the water was level with the station platform, (in the back ground you can just see the old fishermans homes on a island bank, where my grandad was born). southy
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10:26pm Wed 17 Oct 12

Sovietobserver says...

Eric_Cartman wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
This has happened many times before especially when there are, like now, nepe tides at the Western Docks at the same time as local heavy rainfall, making the outfall pumps unable to cope with the volume of water needing to be disposed of through the pipes under the reclaimed land between Millbrook Road West and the River Test.
This was a design fault inherited from the 1930s when the Western Docks were constructed and when the platforms at Millbrook station were on the shoreline.
One wonders if the planned biomass plant nearby, if constructed ,would aggravate the situation, or if some form of alleviation could be incorporated into the site if it is developed.
It's spring tides, not neaps that help to flood the road. I thought that the pumphouse at the King George V Drydock was used to drain some water from the roads.
I was on a ship in the drydock and I remember the dock master saying something about that. As far as I'm aware, the pump house is still fully operational, even though the drydock itself is not (at present).
Apologies Eric, yes it is spring tides.
After A & P Group left KGV dry dock the caisson gates and keel blocks were removed, thus converting the dock to a permanent wet dock so that it could be used for normal loading and unloading of ships. So now the pump house, containing four pumps, stands like a listed monument and unaffective, and SCC have no control over these events.
[quote][p][bold]Eric_Cartman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: This has happened many times before especially when there are, like now, nepe tides at the Western Docks at the same time as local heavy rainfall, making the outfall pumps unable to cope with the volume of water needing to be disposed of through the pipes under the reclaimed land between Millbrook Road West and the River Test. This was a design fault inherited from the 1930s when the Western Docks were constructed and when the platforms at Millbrook station were on the shoreline. One wonders if the planned biomass plant nearby, if constructed ,would aggravate the situation, or if some form of alleviation could be incorporated into the site if it is developed.[/p][/quote]It's spring tides, not neaps that help to flood the road. I thought that the pumphouse at the King George V Drydock was used to drain some water from the roads. I was on a ship in the drydock and I remember the dock master saying something about that. As far as I'm aware, the pump house is still fully operational, even though the drydock itself is not (at present).[/p][/quote]Apologies Eric, yes it is spring tides. After A & P Group left KGV dry dock the caisson gates and keel blocks were removed, thus converting the dock to a permanent wet dock so that it could be used for normal loading and unloading of ships. So now the pump house, containing four pumps, stands like a listed monument and unaffective, and SCC have no control over these events. Sovietobserver
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8:11am Thu 18 Oct 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
Dragonqueen wrote:
Southampton city council where looking into this back in 2008/9 but they have never done anything about it, it has got worse since they resurfaced the road back in 2007/8
There was a serious flood here back in 1982, city engineers dept. at the time gave the same answer. The problem is the docks, when there is a high tide, this acts as a dam and so water backs up the drain pipes, the only solution would be to elevate this section of dual carraigeway by a metre or two, but would the disruption encountered be acceptable to avoid a once or twice annual event like today.
As I've said the Western Shore use to take this water with out flooding the old Millbrook road
The Echo as a picture off Millbrook station (before the Dock was build) and the water was level with the station platform, (in the back ground you can just see the old fishermans homes on a island bank, where my grandad was born).
So you'd agree with me & they should have left the American dump alone?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dragonqueen[/bold] wrote: Southampton city council where looking into this back in 2008/9 but they have never done anything about it, it has got worse since they resurfaced the road back in 2007/8[/p][/quote]There was a serious flood here back in 1982, city engineers dept. at the time gave the same answer. The problem is the docks, when there is a high tide, this acts as a dam and so water backs up the drain pipes, the only solution would be to elevate this section of dual carraigeway by a metre or two, but would the disruption encountered be acceptable to avoid a once or twice annual event like today.[/p][/quote]As I've said the Western Shore use to take this water with out flooding the old Millbrook road[/p][/quote]The Echo as a picture off Millbrook station (before the Dock was build) and the water was level with the station platform, (in the back ground you can just see the old fishermans homes on a island bank, where my grandad was born).[/p][/quote]So you'd agree with me & they should have left the American dump alone? loosehead
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9:46am Thu 18 Oct 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
Dragonqueen wrote:
Southampton city council where looking into this back in 2008/9 but they have never done anything about it, it has got worse since they resurfaced the road back in 2007/8
There was a serious flood here back in 1982, city engineers dept. at the time gave the same answer. The problem is the docks, when there is a high tide, this acts as a dam and so water backs up the drain pipes, the only solution would be to elevate this section of dual carraigeway by a metre or two, but would the disruption encountered be acceptable to avoid a once or twice annual event like today.
As I've said the Western Shore use to take this water with out flooding the old Millbrook road
The Echo as a picture off Millbrook station (before the Dock was build) and the water was level with the station platform, (in the back ground you can just see the old fishermans homes on a island bank, where my grandad was born).
So you'd agree with me & they should have left the American dump alone?
Well you know my veiws of that area, The Container port was built not just in the wrong place but to far up river, it should off been built on the tidel ground down by (this side) Hamble oil jetty where there is less marine life on the tidal ground.
American dump should of just been cleaned up and left to nature, if it had done you would still be seeing Sea Trout going up Tanners Brook every October to December.
Should they every decide to move the container port, they should return that land to back the state and get that land back to nearly the same tidal line and let nature do its work.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dragonqueen[/bold] wrote: Southampton city council where looking into this back in 2008/9 but they have never done anything about it, it has got worse since they resurfaced the road back in 2007/8[/p][/quote]There was a serious flood here back in 1982, city engineers dept. at the time gave the same answer. The problem is the docks, when there is a high tide, this acts as a dam and so water backs up the drain pipes, the only solution would be to elevate this section of dual carraigeway by a metre or two, but would the disruption encountered be acceptable to avoid a once or twice annual event like today.[/p][/quote]As I've said the Western Shore use to take this water with out flooding the old Millbrook road[/p][/quote]The Echo as a picture off Millbrook station (before the Dock was build) and the water was level with the station platform, (in the back ground you can just see the old fishermans homes on a island bank, where my grandad was born).[/p][/quote]So you'd agree with me & they should have left the American dump alone?[/p][/quote]Well you know my veiws of that area, The Container port was built not just in the wrong place but to far up river, it should off been built on the tidel ground down by (this side) Hamble oil jetty where there is less marine life on the tidal ground. American dump should of just been cleaned up and left to nature, if it had done you would still be seeing Sea Trout going up Tanners Brook every October to December. Should they every decide to move the container port, they should return that land to back the state and get that land back to nearly the same tidal line and let nature do its work. southy
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9:46am Thu 18 Oct 12

Rockhopper says...

This road has been problematic for poor drainage over many years.
So what are the Council's partners Balfour Beatty going to do about it?
This road has been problematic for poor drainage over many years. So what are the Council's partners Balfour Beatty going to do about it? Rockhopper
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9:51am Thu 18 Oct 12

southy says...

Rockhopper wrote:
This road has been problematic for poor drainage over many years.
So what are the Council's partners Balfour Beatty going to do about it?
They are not going to be able to do any thing about it, because of the old streams that flow under Millbrook road, there are pictures of this area flooding before the western docks was built, You get the right tides and the right wind direction and more water than normal is push up the river and started to back up the fresh water coming down the streams and it is then you start to get flooding, its getting close now to being a 100 years since the last real big flood in this area, when water was as high as the platform on Millbrook station.
[quote][p][bold]Rockhopper[/bold] wrote: This road has been problematic for poor drainage over many years. So what are the Council's partners Balfour Beatty going to do about it?[/p][/quote]They are not going to be able to do any thing about it, because of the old streams that flow under Millbrook road, there are pictures of this area flooding before the western docks was built, You get the right tides and the right wind direction and more water than normal is push up the river and started to back up the fresh water coming down the streams and it is then you start to get flooding, its getting close now to being a 100 years since the last real big flood in this area, when water was as high as the platform on Millbrook station. southy
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10:39am Thu 18 Oct 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Rockhopper wrote:
This road has been problematic for poor drainage over many years.
So what are the Council's partners Balfour Beatty going to do about it?
They are not going to be able to do any thing about it, because of the old streams that flow under Millbrook road, there are pictures of this area flooding before the western docks was built, You get the right tides and the right wind direction and more water than normal is push up the river and started to back up the fresh water coming down the streams and it is then you start to get flooding, its getting close now to being a 100 years since the last real big flood in this area, when water was as high as the platform on Millbrook station.
southy Freshfield rd was named that way due to the fresh water springs & the watercress beds that were there.
in Victory Road I know of houses where the front gardens would flood every winter & you could see the water rising up inside the bricks of the front walls.
As some one who loved going to both Millbrook Point & the Western Shore I too would have preferred it if they had not built the new road & so would the companies & houses that were bulldozed for it.
also as they were already reclaiming Dibden Bay for dock use why didn't they build a purpose built Container port there before the housing estates were built?
There would be no Bio Mass if Western Shore had been allowed to have remained a nature reserve.
You could have had a rowing/sailing club operate from Millbrook point along with the people of the area being able to get to the waters front.
but we sacrificed all of this for jobs so whilst these remain we have to put up with flooding yet people of the waterside want to work here but don't want the docks?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rockhopper[/bold] wrote: This road has been problematic for poor drainage over many years. So what are the Council's partners Balfour Beatty going to do about it?[/p][/quote]They are not going to be able to do any thing about it, because of the old streams that flow under Millbrook road, there are pictures of this area flooding before the western docks was built, You get the right tides and the right wind direction and more water than normal is push up the river and started to back up the fresh water coming down the streams and it is then you start to get flooding, its getting close now to being a 100 years since the last real big flood in this area, when water was as high as the platform on Millbrook station.[/p][/quote]southy Freshfield rd was named that way due to the fresh water springs & the watercress beds that were there. in Victory Road I know of houses where the front gardens would flood every winter & you could see the water rising up inside the bricks of the front walls. As some one who loved going to both Millbrook Point & the Western Shore I too would have preferred it if they had not built the new road & so would the companies & houses that were bulldozed for it. also as they were already reclaiming Dibden Bay for dock use why didn't they build a purpose built Container port there before the housing estates were built? There would be no Bio Mass if Western Shore had been allowed to have remained a nature reserve. You could have had a rowing/sailing club operate from Millbrook point along with the people of the area being able to get to the waters front. but we sacrificed all of this for jobs so whilst these remain we have to put up with flooding yet people of the waterside want to work here but don't want the docks? loosehead
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11:20am Thu 18 Oct 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Rockhopper wrote:
This road has been problematic for poor drainage over many years.
So what are the Council's partners Balfour Beatty going to do about it?
They are not going to be able to do any thing about it, because of the old streams that flow under Millbrook road, there are pictures of this area flooding before the western docks was built, You get the right tides and the right wind direction and more water than normal is push up the river and started to back up the fresh water coming down the streams and it is then you start to get flooding, its getting close now to being a 100 years since the last real big flood in this area, when water was as high as the platform on Millbrook station.
southy Freshfield rd was named that way due to the fresh water springs & the watercress beds that were there.
in Victory Road I know of houses where the front gardens would flood every winter & you could see the water rising up inside the bricks of the front walls.
As some one who loved going to both Millbrook Point & the Western Shore I too would have preferred it if they had not built the new road & so would the companies & houses that were bulldozed for it.
also as they were already reclaiming Dibden Bay for dock use why didn't they build a purpose built Container port there before the housing estates were built?
There would be no Bio Mass if Western Shore had been allowed to have remained a nature reserve.
You could have had a rowing/sailing club operate from Millbrook point along with the people of the area being able to get to the waters front.
but we sacrificed all of this for jobs so whilst these remain we have to put up with flooding yet people of the waterside want to work here but don't want the docks?
Dad was born in Freshfield road in 1920, he could remember the old pump house that use to bottle water for the city still being there and still running when he was a kid, if you go into the back gardens on the dock side of Waterhouse lane you can see old Millbrook stream still flowing and still flowing at a fast rate even when we had those dry years it was still a fast flowing stream.
As for the Container port, the first test piles was hammered in the mud in 1967, they did not start building the container port till 1968 and the first stage was finished in 1972, Millbrook housing Estate Redbridge the last zone was finished in 1961, was zone of Lordshill Estate was finished by 1972..
Dibden Bay reclaim came to an end in 1983-4, like you said it was for Dock use but it was not for a port use for mooring ships, as I not long found out in the civic library reference books, it was to be used as a storage area, found that out while researching about the embankment ridge on the north end of the furlongs salting marsh, this was the original plan for the rail track to run into Totton and then having a choice to be able to go east or west.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rockhopper[/bold] wrote: This road has been problematic for poor drainage over many years. So what are the Council's partners Balfour Beatty going to do about it?[/p][/quote]They are not going to be able to do any thing about it, because of the old streams that flow under Millbrook road, there are pictures of this area flooding before the western docks was built, You get the right tides and the right wind direction and more water than normal is push up the river and started to back up the fresh water coming down the streams and it is then you start to get flooding, its getting close now to being a 100 years since the last real big flood in this area, when water was as high as the platform on Millbrook station.[/p][/quote]southy Freshfield rd was named that way due to the fresh water springs & the watercress beds that were there. in Victory Road I know of houses where the front gardens would flood every winter & you could see the water rising up inside the bricks of the front walls. As some one who loved going to both Millbrook Point & the Western Shore I too would have preferred it if they had not built the new road & so would the companies & houses that were bulldozed for it. also as they were already reclaiming Dibden Bay for dock use why didn't they build a purpose built Container port there before the housing estates were built? There would be no Bio Mass if Western Shore had been allowed to have remained a nature reserve. You could have had a rowing/sailing club operate from Millbrook point along with the people of the area being able to get to the waters front. but we sacrificed all of this for jobs so whilst these remain we have to put up with flooding yet people of the waterside want to work here but don't want the docks?[/p][/quote]Dad was born in Freshfield road in 1920, he could remember the old pump house that use to bottle water for the city still being there and still running when he was a kid, if you go into the back gardens on the dock side of Waterhouse lane you can see old Millbrook stream still flowing and still flowing at a fast rate even when we had those dry years it was still a fast flowing stream. As for the Container port, the first test piles was hammered in the mud in 1967, they did not start building the container port till 1968 and the first stage was finished in 1972, Millbrook housing Estate Redbridge the last zone was finished in 1961, was zone of Lordshill Estate was finished by 1972.. Dibden Bay reclaim came to an end in 1983-4, like you said it was for Dock use but it was not for a port use for mooring ships, as I not long found out in the civic library reference books, it was to be used as a storage area, found that out while researching about the embankment ridge on the north end of the furlongs salting marsh, this was the original plan for the rail track to run into Totton and then having a choice to be able to go east or west. southy
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12:34pm Thu 18 Oct 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Rockhopper wrote:
This road has been problematic for poor drainage over many years.
So what are the Council's partners Balfour Beatty going to do about it?
They are not going to be able to do any thing about it, because of the old streams that flow under Millbrook road, there are pictures of this area flooding before the western docks was built, You get the right tides and the right wind direction and more water than normal is push up the river and started to back up the fresh water coming down the streams and it is then you start to get flooding, its getting close now to being a 100 years since the last real big flood in this area, when water was as high as the platform on Millbrook station.
southy Freshfield rd was named that way due to the fresh water springs & the watercress beds that were there.
in Victory Road I know of houses where the front gardens would flood every winter & you could see the water rising up inside the bricks of the front walls.
As some one who loved going to both Millbrook Point & the Western Shore I too would have preferred it if they had not built the new road & so would the companies & houses that were bulldozed for it.
also as they were already reclaiming Dibden Bay for dock use why didn't they build a purpose built Container port there before the housing estates were built?
There would be no Bio Mass if Western Shore had been allowed to have remained a nature reserve.
You could have had a rowing/sailing club operate from Millbrook point along with the people of the area being able to get to the waters front.
but we sacrificed all of this for jobs so whilst these remain we have to put up with flooding yet people of the waterside want to work here but don't want the docks?
Dad was born in Freshfield road in 1920, he could remember the old pump house that use to bottle water for the city still being there and still running when he was a kid, if you go into the back gardens on the dock side of Waterhouse lane you can see old Millbrook stream still flowing and still flowing at a fast rate even when we had those dry years it was still a fast flowing stream.
As for the Container port, the first test piles was hammered in the mud in 1967, they did not start building the container port till 1968 and the first stage was finished in 1972, Millbrook housing Estate Redbridge the last zone was finished in 1961, was zone of Lordshill Estate was finished by 1972..
Dibden Bay reclaim came to an end in 1983-4, like you said it was for Dock use but it was not for a port use for mooring ships, as I not long found out in the civic library reference books, it was to be used as a storage area, found that out while researching about the embankment ridge on the north end of the furlongs salting marsh, this was the original plan for the rail track to run into Totton and then having a choice to be able to go east or west.
Southy I know that Freshfield rd wasn't built then.
Freshfield house was bombed in the first world War .
BAT bought it's present site mid 1920's & then House building took place in Freshfield & Victory street.
There was a reservoir at the bottom portion of Freshfield rd just below the square.
the stream runs along the back of the pre fabs ( built after WW2) in Waterhouse Lane & Blighmont cres,close.
Also if you go to Waterhouse way you will ( it was there) see the stream on the BAT side. there was also boggy land on the side where British Legion built it's properties as I remember Tadpoling there.
At the bottom of the hill (Waterhouse Lane ) you'll see the old groundsmans cottage.
There is & never was an area called Regents Park.
Thats where The school was built & BAT's address is Regents Park Road or Road of the Regents Park Millbrook & the estate is called (Millbrook) Green Park Estate
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rockhopper[/bold] wrote: This road has been problematic for poor drainage over many years. So what are the Council's partners Balfour Beatty going to do about it?[/p][/quote]They are not going to be able to do any thing about it, because of the old streams that flow under Millbrook road, there are pictures of this area flooding before the western docks was built, You get the right tides and the right wind direction and more water than normal is push up the river and started to back up the fresh water coming down the streams and it is then you start to get flooding, its getting close now to being a 100 years since the last real big flood in this area, when water was as high as the platform on Millbrook station.[/p][/quote]southy Freshfield rd was named that way due to the fresh water springs & the watercress beds that were there. in Victory Road I know of houses where the front gardens would flood every winter & you could see the water rising up inside the bricks of the front walls. As some one who loved going to both Millbrook Point & the Western Shore I too would have preferred it if they had not built the new road & so would the companies & houses that were bulldozed for it. also as they were already reclaiming Dibden Bay for dock use why didn't they build a purpose built Container port there before the housing estates were built? There would be no Bio Mass if Western Shore had been allowed to have remained a nature reserve. You could have had a rowing/sailing club operate from Millbrook point along with the people of the area being able to get to the waters front. but we sacrificed all of this for jobs so whilst these remain we have to put up with flooding yet people of the waterside want to work here but don't want the docks?[/p][/quote]Dad was born in Freshfield road in 1920, he could remember the old pump house that use to bottle water for the city still being there and still running when he was a kid, if you go into the back gardens on the dock side of Waterhouse lane you can see old Millbrook stream still flowing and still flowing at a fast rate even when we had those dry years it was still a fast flowing stream. As for the Container port, the first test piles was hammered in the mud in 1967, they did not start building the container port till 1968 and the first stage was finished in 1972, Millbrook housing Estate Redbridge the last zone was finished in 1961, was zone of Lordshill Estate was finished by 1972.. Dibden Bay reclaim came to an end in 1983-4, like you said it was for Dock use but it was not for a port use for mooring ships, as I not long found out in the civic library reference books, it was to be used as a storage area, found that out while researching about the embankment ridge on the north end of the furlongs salting marsh, this was the original plan for the rail track to run into Totton and then having a choice to be able to go east or west.[/p][/quote]Southy I know that Freshfield rd wasn't built then. Freshfield house was bombed in the first world War . BAT bought it's present site mid 1920's & then House building took place in Freshfield & Victory street. There was a reservoir at the bottom portion of Freshfield rd just below the square. the stream runs along the back of the pre fabs ( built after WW2) in Waterhouse Lane & Blighmont cres,close. Also if you go to Waterhouse way you will ( it was there) see the stream on the BAT side. there was also boggy land on the side where British Legion built it's properties as I remember Tadpoling there. At the bottom of the hill (Waterhouse Lane ) you'll see the old groundsmans cottage. There is & never was an area called Regents Park. Thats where The school was built & BAT's address is Regents Park Road or Road of the Regents Park Millbrook & the estate is called (Millbrook) Green Park Estate loosehead
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6:45pm Thu 18 Oct 12

mickey01 says...

Rockhopper wrote:
This road has been problematic for poor drainage over many years.
So what are the Council's partners Balfour Beatty going to do about it?
they will just build some more hotels and flats with even more waste and water to contend with
[quote][p][bold]Rockhopper[/bold] wrote: This road has been problematic for poor drainage over many years. So what are the Council's partners Balfour Beatty going to do about it?[/p][/quote]they will just build some more hotels and flats with even more waste and water to contend with mickey01
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