Southampton worst place for fly-tipping in the South East

10:02am Tuesday 7th August 2012 in Environment

City worst for fly-tipping City worst for fly-tipping

FLY-TIPPING is worse in Southampton than in any other part of the South East according to shocking new statistics.

Although the number of reported incidents in the South East dropped by more than 4,800 in the last year, Southampton still remains top of the list of the 67 councils in the South East for fly-tipping.

There were 8,708 incidents in the last year compared with 13.569 the previous year.

The information comes from newly compiled and published data by the Department Energy, Food, and Rural Affairs (Defra).

Arthur Jeffery, chairman of the Southampton Commons and Parks Protection Society, praised the good work of the council and urged people not to dump litter in open areas.

“It is still unacceptable in our society,” he said. “As a citizen of Southampton I'm concerned but it is an improvement. I would like to see that everyone's taking the extra effort to dispose of rubbish properly.”

At number nine in the list is Test Valley Borough Council with an increase in incidents of fly-tipping - from 1,486 to 1,881, (419).

New Forest District Council has seen a small increase in the number of incidents from 892 to 981 (89) and lies 17th in the table.

It is ahead of Winchester City Council which lies 19th in the table with a decrease of 70 incidents and 912 in the last year.

Eastleigh , Fareham and Gosport borough councils have also dropped the number of cases they have had with only Isle of Wight Council getting an increase but nevertheless propping up the table.

He also said authorities need to target fly-tipping to improve their policing of the problem - out of 820,000 incidents last year there were only 2,500 prosecutions throughout England and Wales.

A spokesman for Southampton City Council said: “Not all councils necessarily record small amounts of discarded as flytipping but even a bin bag of rubbish is recorded as flytipping by Southampton City Council.”

Comments(28)

Lone Ranger. says...
10:08am Tue 7 Aug 12

Open up the re-cycling centre in Millbrook for trade waste ....... Obviously not for toxics ........ This should not be restricted to just "Household" rubbish.
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There were always height restrictions and bans on vans at Chapel.

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AndyAndrews says...
10:10am Tue 7 Aug 12

This is what happens when businesses are priced out of using municipal tips.

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bigfella777 says...
10:13am Tue 7 Aug 12

Is this why every time I open my windows flies come in circle around the middle of the room?

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Phaze90 says...
11:01am Tue 7 Aug 12

why would people fly-tip it's so horrible - just because they are a easy target. try tipping cars or summat ya know what im sayin

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bazzeroz says...
11:15am Tue 7 Aug 12

People get paid to tip properly and this is the consequence. Scumbags that take your money and dump it anywhere except in the council tips! If you check that your waste disposer is registered in the first place this shouldn't be happening and if, they aren't then YOU are responsible should it be fly tipped and it is traced back to you. Councils should also make it easier for people to dispose of their rubbish properly as well. Years ago they would target an area and leave a few skips in convenient places but they haven't done this for years. Now, look at the fly tipping problem!

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southy says...
11:17am Tue 7 Aug 12

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Open up the re-cycling centre in Millbrook for trade waste ....... Obviously not for toxics ........ This should not be restricted to just "Household" rubbish.
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There were always height restrictions and bans on vans at Chapel.
That would help alot.

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mrblunt says...
11:21am Tue 7 Aug 12

So, where is the large, all singing and dancing enforcement teams that were promised by Mr Smith.(I don't supporty any of the parties)
Exactly how many enforcement officers does the City have that are dealing with dog fouling, litter and fly tipping.
I'm sure no one will give a straight answer because it is probably so embarassing.

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Phaze90 says...
11:21am Tue 7 Aug 12

They should have a massive place where they can tip all of there unwanted items - like a dump of some sort

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bigfella777 says...
11:37am Tue 7 Aug 12

Phaze90 wrote:
They should have a massive place where they can tip all of there unwanted items - like a dump of some sort
They have, its called weston.

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dopplershift says...
11:45am Tue 7 Aug 12

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote: Open up the re-cycling centre in Millbrook for trade waste ....... Obviously not for toxics ........ This should not be restricted to just "Household" rubbish. . There were always height restrictions and bans on vans at Chapel.
That would help alot.
Open them so some people can use them after they finish work! For instance Millford dump closes at 4pm. It's always busy and there's always people turning up after 4pm and being turned away. It's ludicrous.
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I remember a number of years ago my elderly dad turned up to the marchwood dump and tried to get rid of some broken up concrete path. It was no more than say 5m2 worth of concrete and they would let him dump it. Instead they were rude (to a 70yr+ old) and told him to leave. He spent the next weekend dig a trench in the garden to bury it!
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I don't condone fly tipping, in fact I hate it with a passion, yet can see why people would when there are trivial obstacles in the way.

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Phaze90 says...
11:49am Tue 7 Aug 12

What they should do is keep all of the items they take and keep them in their back gardens and sheds and then apply to go on a hoarding on ze bbc and they will take it away for free - problem solved

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ToastyTea says...
12:13pm Tue 7 Aug 12

bloody gypos

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joenice1 says...
12:21pm Tue 7 Aug 12

The people that do this have got to be punished. As well as made to tidy it up!

Just hope the police get a grip of it.

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townieboy says...
12:55pm Tue 7 Aug 12

what does everyoneexpect. if you phone the council to pick up any items for your house they want £25 a pop. Tip it and they collect it for nothing. EASY.

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joenice1 says...
1:29pm Tue 7 Aug 12

townieboy wrote:
what does everyoneexpect. if you phone the council to pick up any items for your house they want £25 a pop. Tip it and they collect it for nothing. EASY.
You clearly are not motivated to do much and expect other can do it for you. What don't you go back to KFC and think about how you can benefit a city.

Just a note, people should learn to take pride in themselves, I think National Service would really benefit you.

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hulla baloo says...
1:44pm Tue 7 Aug 12

joenice1 wrote:
townieboy wrote:
what does everyoneexpect. if you phone the council to pick up any items for your house they want £25 a pop. Tip it and they collect it for nothing. EASY.
You clearly are not motivated to do much and expect other can do it for you. What don't you go back to KFC and think about how you can benefit a city.

Just a note, people should learn to take pride in themselves, I think National Service would really benefit you.
But he has a point, in principal, Is far cheaper, cleaner and easier to manage if the local tips did not charge, and took all the rubbish.

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bobbyboy says...
1:47pm Tue 7 Aug 12

Years ago every thing went in the bins or piled by the side and the honest binmen would take it away (spidge) now you have to be selective what you put in hence gardens full of rubbish peoples without means to dispose of, so it gets tipped either in alley ways building sites or where ever . the best solution is to place large containers/or storage areas in suitable areas of each ESTATE for there Tenants to dispose of there bulkier items they could then take away sort save and use monies gained to keep the cycle going.I Agree with above you cannot expect hard pressed families find £25 for a few items to be collected but i have noticed a large increase of scrap metal bandits touring the estates why not get them to say when they are coming and peoples can put out there scrap metal objects these peoples make there living by scrapping so there must be monies in it for them.The biggest bugbear for us when clearing our meadows was building rubbish for the pathway gangs you know the ones smart water the debris so it can be traced back to owners then charge them for the removal its that simple and teach them to use professional companies and not fly by nights.

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Georgem says...
1:51pm Tue 7 Aug 12

joenice1 wrote:
townieboy wrote:
what does everyoneexpect. if you phone the council to pick up any items for your house they want £25 a pop. Tip it and they collect it for nothing. EASY.
You clearly are not motivated to do much and expect other can do it for you. What don't you go back to KFC and think about how you can benefit a city.

Just a note, people should learn to take pride in themselves, I think National Service would really benefit you.
I don't think that's at all fair. He's exactly right. Is he ADVOCATING fly-tipping? No. He's just saying it's inevitable when there are barriers to disposing of rubbish correctly. And he's spot-on. The system is counterproductive.

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sotonandproud says...
2:16pm Tue 7 Aug 12

must be some back handers going on in millbrook recycling centre as i have seen trucks and vans in there tipping.

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Georgem says...
2:21pm Tue 7 Aug 12

sotonandproud wrote:
must be some back handers going on in millbrook recycling centre as i have seen trucks and vans in there tipping.
You can get a permit to take commercial vehicles in.

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ohec says...
2:53pm Tue 7 Aug 12

The trouble is they have now made it so expensive to get rid of rubbish with waste licensing and the costs of tipping at landfill sites, community tips are only designed for domestic use and you need a waste license to go to the tip, so trades people of all kinds are left with rubbish that they can't get rid of without spending a fortune on a skip. I am not condoning fly tipping by any means but we need to find a way where trades people can dispose of rubbish at a reasonable cost and the punishment for fly tipping should be so harsh as to be a deterrent.

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G0Rf says...
3:29pm Tue 7 Aug 12

Wouldnt it make more sence for the council to allow vans etc in the HWRC's and then they wouldnt need to keep collecting the rubbish after its been dumped illegally down the country lanes?

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Curiosity is on Mars says...
6:48pm Tue 7 Aug 12

mrblunt wrote:
So, where is the large, all singing and dancing enforcement teams that were promised by Mr Smith.(I don't supporty any of the parties)
Exactly how many enforcement officers does the City have that are dealing with dog fouling, litter and fly tipping.
I'm sure no one will give a straight answer because it is probably so embarassing.
You can ask under freedom of information, but you have to be specific in your details or they will hide it. There is a website no doubt that tells you how to do this.

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huckit P says...
6:56pm Tue 7 Aug 12

When I moved house I had old carpets and loads of packing material to dispose of. As we still had the hire van we took everything to the tip but the gorilla who seemed to be in charge insisted on seeing my permit or hire agreement. As I had neither with me I could not dispose of anything. On the way back home I must admit to being sorely tempted to dump everything but decided that would not be right and ended up at Winchester recycling centre where they even helped me off with the big stuff. Well done to them but it is easy to see why there is problem. And if the general public can see where the problem is why can't our elected council?

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Curiosity is on Mars says...
7:07pm Tue 7 Aug 12

Lots of demands for commercial waste to be allowed into authorised tip sites to reduce fly tipping. Would this work? For some possibly! Commercial business should be charging their customers for the removal of the waste after whatever job is undertaken by them at the customers property. If they then take it to a tip legally free of charge, what are you as a customer paying for? The labour, cost of diesel but who pays the landfill charges, if no money is taken from commercial businesses? This money has to come from somewhere. Landfill charges are rising incredible quickly as we are running out of room to put it. Next stop Mars I am thinking, there is plenty of expensive crashed stuff up there already. Many of the man and van guys want to maximise there profits so driving miles to a tip when they know of somewhere they can tip it in a few seconds, means less fuel, less wasted time (onto the next job) and of course much of this work is cash in hand. Logging loads tipped legally at sites and hey presto who is claiming they benefits as they have no work or are on incapacity benefit. There would be still more reasons for not taking it to a tip than reasons to take it to a tip for some of these people. Another reason perhaps the worst is laziness, to dam lazy to take it when they can come out at midnight and tip it in the cut way behind someone's house.

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tootle says...
8:44am Wed 8 Aug 12

To tip legally you need a permit, which you pay for. Then you need somewhere legal to tip. Then you have to get there and that is rarely close. Pay wages for the person(s) disposing of the rubbish. Pay landfill tax. Pay VAT on top of cost of tip and landfill tax. Try and charge the customer enough to cover your costs and they accuse you of over-charging(becaus
e fly-by-nights do it a lot cheaper). Suggest they dispose of their own rubbish and they "can't be bothered" to phone the Council who "should do it for free"(and who are loads cheaper than us). We tip legally but fly tipping would be cheaper and less hassle! Opening up the Council tip to small tradesmen would make everybody's life easier and cheaper. Any savings we made would be passed on to our customers meaning we would have more work, make more money, pay more employees, pay more in VAT and PAYE ....................
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Curiosity is on Mars says...
12:08am Fri 10 Aug 12

A lot of what tootle says makes complete sense and is accurate. 'Opening up the Council tip to small tradesmen would make everybody's life easier and cheaper.' Is sadly where it all falls down. Is anyone going to believe that the rubbish a small tradesman is taking away for them he is not charging them for? An itemised bill for works and services supplied should include the removal of waste from any work site. If it is listed as costing 0 or free of charge they may well think it is hidden in another aspect of the estimate for the job. As tootle points out 'because fly-by-nights do it a lot cheaper'. They will remove a ford tipper truck full for as little as £30 and the only way small businesses will undercut that is putting 'free' on the estimate not £29.99. Don't forget time is money these guys can load in an hour tip it in 30 minutes and be at another address five minutes after that earning another £30 or more free of any taxes. The irony of all of this is that these guys 9fly-by-nights) are dam hard workers but sadly criminal ones.

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VConcerned says...
10:13am Sun 19 Aug 12

The Police in Southampton should routinly stop van and flatbeds that look like they are carring waste and check their waste licences. The people who give prople their rubbish are liable if it is fly-tipped so if these people are also prosecuted maybe only honest firms will remain. Landfill tax is high because landfill is running out. Maybe it should be cheaper if it is to be incinerated and the waste has been sorted for recycling first.

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