Green belt bid causes anxiety

Green belt bid causes anxiety

Barton Farm

George Osborne

First published in Environment Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Parliamentary Correspondent

HAMPSHIRE countryside campaigners say they are “filled with anxiety” over a new development threat to green spaces.

The Government wants to rewrite planning rules to speed up development in an attempt to boost the flagging economy.

Chancellor George Osborne, pictured, is set to encourage councils to build on green belt land as long as an equivalent space elsewhere is brought into the green belt.

Mr Osborne said it was “absolutely ludicrous” that planning applications took so long to be processed.

But Anthony McEwen, director of the Hampshire branch of the Campaign to Protect Rural England, said: “We view these proposals with concern.

“As far as Hampshire is concerned, it can only fill one with anxiety.”

The planned shake-up, which is also believed to include curbs on residents’ rights to oppose development in their area, comes after the Government watered down changes to planning rules that had caused an outcry among campaigners and backbench Tory MPs.

Romsey and Southampton North MP Caroline Nokes , Steve Brine , who represents Winchester , and Meon Valley MP George Hollingbery all signed a recent open letter to the Prime Minister urging him to amend the draft proposals before they were eventually watered down.

Now it seems the Government will return to the thorny issue as part of its Infrastructure Bill, which aims to kickstart developments worth £40 billion.

Mr McEwen said few details were available at this stage.

But he added: “The fact that they are being resurrected so soon after a major overhaul of the planning laws, which has not yet been tested, is bound to cause concern.

“There is an intrinsic value to the Hampshire countryside – it’s not a simple jigsaw that we are dealing with.

“Proposals that are not properly thought through can only cause problems downstream.”

Some MPs and business chiefs say there is an urgent need for more affordable houses to be built in Hampshire, where space is limited but demand is high.

Mr McEwen insisted: “We are absolutely up for affordable housing, but the planning laws are not what is preventing affordable housing at the moment.”

Developers are to blame for not wanting to build on appropriate sites, he said.

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4:18pm Wed 5 Sep 12

mtdiablo says...

I don't think there's a picture of Osborne in the world that doesn't make him look evil.
I don't think there's a picture of Osborne in the world that doesn't make him look evil. mtdiablo
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5:23pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Is this the same Tory guy whose leader used to suggest something on the lines of Green Conservatism?

Same old Tories, they will never change.

Trust the Tories and live to regret.

Good bye green belts. RIP
Is this the same Tory guy whose leader used to suggest something on the lines of Green Conservatism? Same old Tories, they will never change. Trust the Tories and live to regret. Good bye green belts. RIP Paramjit Bahia
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5:25pm Wed 5 Sep 12

bigfella777 says...

Just listen to the country toffs, we can all just sleep on the street in the cities.
Just listen to the country toffs, we can all just sleep on the street in the cities. bigfella777
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7:44pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Dresnez says...

If Jersey in the Channel Islands can protect it's country side, then there is no excuse for the UK.

An island 7miles by 9miles roughly with a population of 90000 +.

Once the countryside has gone it is gone forever.

I am not a country toff either.

There are a lot of built up areas crying out for redevelopment. Leaving run down blocks of ugly buildings intact brings an area down.

First time buyers get a much harder time of it in Jersey and local people are not rich. Someone has to work in the shops, clean the toilets etc.

The rich are in a minority, although there are a lot of rich people per sq mile.

Please don't spoil Hampshire.
If Jersey in the Channel Islands can protect it's country side, then there is no excuse for the UK. An island 7miles by 9miles roughly with a population of 90000 +. Once the countryside has gone it is gone forever. I am not a country toff either. There are a lot of built up areas crying out for redevelopment. Leaving run down blocks of ugly buildings intact brings an area down. First time buyers get a much harder time of it in Jersey and local people are not rich. Someone has to work in the shops, clean the toilets etc. The rich are in a minority, although there are a lot of rich people per sq mile. Please don't spoil Hampshire. Dresnez
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8:11pm Wed 5 Sep 12

The Wickham Man says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Is this the same Tory guy whose leader used to suggest something on the lines of Green Conservatism?

Same old Tories, they will never change.

Trust the Tories and live to regret.

Good bye green belts. RIP
...And if they had voted for more protection you'd say something like "Typical tories protecting all their toff friends in the countryside so they can preserve their views and stop working class people from having houses"
Your biassed and twisted views are predictable, unintelligent and worthless.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Is this the same Tory guy whose leader used to suggest something on the lines of Green Conservatism? Same old Tories, they will never change. Trust the Tories and live to regret. Good bye green belts. RIP[/p][/quote]...And if they had voted for more protection you'd say something like "Typical tories protecting all their toff friends in the countryside so they can preserve their views and stop working class people from having houses" Your biassed and twisted views are predictable, unintelligent and worthless. The Wickham Man
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9:20pm Wed 5 Sep 12

loosehead says...

New container port on the waterside Yeah!
New container port on the waterside Yeah! loosehead
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9:48pm Wed 5 Sep 12

The Wickham Man says...

loosehead wrote:
New container port on the waterside Yeah!
Exactly Loosehead. That is what this is all about - stopping spurious irrelevant exaggerated objections holding up sensible development. A totally different scenario to this totally fictitious assault on the countryside invented by Paramjit and others on this thread.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: New container port on the waterside Yeah![/p][/quote]Exactly Loosehead. That is what this is all about - stopping spurious irrelevant exaggerated objections holding up sensible development. A totally different scenario to this totally fictitious assault on the countryside invented by Paramjit and others on this thread. The Wickham Man
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9:54pm Wed 5 Sep 12

loosehead says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
loosehead wrote:
New container port on the waterside Yeah!
Exactly Loosehead. That is what this is all about - stopping spurious irrelevant exaggerated objections holding up sensible development. A totally different scenario to this totally fictitious assault on the countryside invented by Paramjit and others on this thread.
I can't believe people on the Waterside say they're stopping Southampton from stealing their waterfront?
This area is called Dibden Bay what Bay? the Port of Southampton reclaimed that years ago for the sole purpose of dock related use yet their Solicitors didn't tell them this when they moved into their new homes which were built on forest land?
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: New container port on the waterside Yeah![/p][/quote]Exactly Loosehead. That is what this is all about - stopping spurious irrelevant exaggerated objections holding up sensible development. A totally different scenario to this totally fictitious assault on the countryside invented by Paramjit and others on this thread.[/p][/quote]I can't believe people on the Waterside say they're stopping Southampton from stealing their waterfront? This area is called Dibden Bay what Bay? the Port of Southampton reclaimed that years ago for the sole purpose of dock related use yet their Solicitors didn't tell them this when they moved into their new homes which were built on forest land? loosehead
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10:57pm Wed 5 Sep 12

yellowcard says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Is this the same Tory guy whose leader used to suggest something on the lines of Green Conservatism?

Same old Tories, they will never change.

Trust the Tories and live to regret.

Good bye green belts. RIP
and labour are so fond of telling the truth
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Is this the same Tory guy whose leader used to suggest something on the lines of Green Conservatism? Same old Tories, they will never change. Trust the Tories and live to regret. Good bye green belts. RIP[/p][/quote]and labour are so fond of telling the truth yellowcard
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12:43am Thu 6 Sep 12

andysaints007 says...

Dresnez wrote:
If Jersey in the Channel Islands can protect it's country side, then there is no excuse for the UK.

An island 7miles by 9miles roughly with a population of 90000 +.

Once the countryside has gone it is gone forever.

I am not a country toff either.

There are a lot of built up areas crying out for redevelopment. Leaving run down blocks of ugly buildings intact brings an area down.

First time buyers get a much harder time of it in Jersey and local people are not rich. Someone has to work in the shops, clean the toilets etc.

The rich are in a minority, although there are a lot of rich people per sq mile.

Please don't spoil Hampshire.
Whats Jersey got to do with anything - pathetic comment
[quote][p][bold]Dresnez[/bold] wrote: If Jersey in the Channel Islands can protect it's country side, then there is no excuse for the UK. An island 7miles by 9miles roughly with a population of 90000 +. Once the countryside has gone it is gone forever. I am not a country toff either. There are a lot of built up areas crying out for redevelopment. Leaving run down blocks of ugly buildings intact brings an area down. First time buyers get a much harder time of it in Jersey and local people are not rich. Someone has to work in the shops, clean the toilets etc. The rich are in a minority, although there are a lot of rich people per sq mile. Please don't spoil Hampshire.[/p][/quote]Whats Jersey got to do with anything - pathetic comment andysaints007
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1:57am Thu 6 Sep 12

Poppy22 says...

Dresnez wrote:
If Jersey in the Channel Islands can protect it's country side, then there is no excuse for the UK. An island 7miles by 9miles roughly with a population of 90000 +. Once the countryside has gone it is gone forever. I am not a country toff either. There are a lot of built up areas crying out for redevelopment. Leaving run down blocks of ugly buildings intact brings an area down. First time buyers get a much harder time of it in Jersey and local people are not rich. Someone has to work in the shops, clean the toilets etc. The rich are in a minority, although there are a lot of rich people per sq mile. Please don't spoil Hampshire.
Hear hear.
Instead of continually using brownfield sites for yet more business premises (or, worse, leaving them as barren sites), which just bring more people into the area, use those sites for affordable housing, especially as the sites are usually in town or city centres so close to facilities without the need for cars or costly public transport. That would also benefit single people or young couples wanting to get onto the property ladder.
Leave our green fields alone - what's being planned by Eastleigh Borough Council, for example, is abhorrent.
This government seems hell bent on becoming the most unpopular government ever and it's about time a petition was started to get them out of power early! They have no idea what the population wants and doesn't want; they're just hell bent on listening to their own "types" in high-level businesses whilst ignoring the general population.
Worse is that the Liberals, who used to represent local communities here very well, are just going along with all this and becoming just as bad. Not one of our local councillors is listening to what we are saying or asking and we never see them locally either now.
I was all for the Liberals, and the coalition, based on the pre election campaigns and immediately after election but now I'm totally against all 3 major parties and wont be voting for any of them in future.
[quote][p][bold]Dresnez[/bold] wrote: If Jersey in the Channel Islands can protect it's country side, then there is no excuse for the UK. An island 7miles by 9miles roughly with a population of 90000 +. Once the countryside has gone it is gone forever. I am not a country toff either. There are a lot of built up areas crying out for redevelopment. Leaving run down blocks of ugly buildings intact brings an area down. First time buyers get a much harder time of it in Jersey and local people are not rich. Someone has to work in the shops, clean the toilets etc. The rich are in a minority, although there are a lot of rich people per sq mile. Please don't spoil Hampshire.[/p][/quote]Hear hear. Instead of continually using brownfield sites for yet more business premises (or, worse, leaving them as barren sites), which just bring more people into the area, use those sites for affordable housing, especially as the sites are usually in town or city centres so close to facilities without the need for cars or costly public transport. That would also benefit single people or young couples wanting to get onto the property ladder. Leave our green fields alone - what's being planned by Eastleigh Borough Council, for example, is abhorrent. This government seems hell bent on becoming the most unpopular government ever and it's about time a petition was started to get them out of power early! They have no idea what the population wants and doesn't want; they're just hell bent on listening to their own "types" in high-level businesses whilst ignoring the general population. Worse is that the Liberals, who used to represent local communities here very well, are just going along with all this and becoming just as bad. Not one of our local councillors is listening to what we are saying or asking and we never see them locally either now. I was all for the Liberals, and the coalition, based on the pre election campaigns and immediately after election but now I'm totally against all 3 major parties and wont be voting for any of them in future. Poppy22
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6:53am Thu 6 Sep 12

The Wickham Man says...

Poppy22 wrote:
Dresnez wrote:
If Jersey in the Channel Islands can protect it's country side, then there is no excuse for the UK. An island 7miles by 9miles roughly with a population of 90000 +. Once the countryside has gone it is gone forever. I am not a country toff either. There are a lot of built up areas crying out for redevelopment. Leaving run down blocks of ugly buildings intact brings an area down. First time buyers get a much harder time of it in Jersey and local people are not rich. Someone has to work in the shops, clean the toilets etc. The rich are in a minority, although there are a lot of rich people per sq mile. Please don't spoil Hampshire.
Hear hear.
Instead of continually using brownfield sites for yet more business premises (or, worse, leaving them as barren sites), which just bring more people into the area, use those sites for affordable housing, especially as the sites are usually in town or city centres so close to facilities without the need for cars or costly public transport. That would also benefit single people or young couples wanting to get onto the property ladder.
Leave our green fields alone - what's being planned by Eastleigh Borough Council, for example, is abhorrent.
This government seems hell bent on becoming the most unpopular government ever and it's about time a petition was started to get them out of power early! They have no idea what the population wants and doesn't want; they're just hell bent on listening to their own "types" in high-level businesses whilst ignoring the general population.
Worse is that the Liberals, who used to represent local communities here very well, are just going along with all this and becoming just as bad. Not one of our local councillors is listening to what we are saying or asking and we never see them locally either now.
I was all for the Liberals, and the coalition, based on the pre election campaigns and immediately after election but now I'm totally against all 3 major parties and wont be voting for any of them in future.
Don't vote green Poppy. What you get is a complete mess of innacurate scare stories and absurd unworkable pinky politics. Remember there is the brownest field site of all right in the middle of SOuthamptons industrial heartland and yet the greens led the most factually innacurate campaign against it Britain has ever seen.
[quote][p][bold]Poppy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dresnez[/bold] wrote: If Jersey in the Channel Islands can protect it's country side, then there is no excuse for the UK. An island 7miles by 9miles roughly with a population of 90000 +. Once the countryside has gone it is gone forever. I am not a country toff either. There are a lot of built up areas crying out for redevelopment. Leaving run down blocks of ugly buildings intact brings an area down. First time buyers get a much harder time of it in Jersey and local people are not rich. Someone has to work in the shops, clean the toilets etc. The rich are in a minority, although there are a lot of rich people per sq mile. Please don't spoil Hampshire.[/p][/quote]Hear hear. Instead of continually using brownfield sites for yet more business premises (or, worse, leaving them as barren sites), which just bring more people into the area, use those sites for affordable housing, especially as the sites are usually in town or city centres so close to facilities without the need for cars or costly public transport. That would also benefit single people or young couples wanting to get onto the property ladder. Leave our green fields alone - what's being planned by Eastleigh Borough Council, for example, is abhorrent. This government seems hell bent on becoming the most unpopular government ever and it's about time a petition was started to get them out of power early! They have no idea what the population wants and doesn't want; they're just hell bent on listening to their own "types" in high-level businesses whilst ignoring the general population. Worse is that the Liberals, who used to represent local communities here very well, are just going along with all this and becoming just as bad. Not one of our local councillors is listening to what we are saying or asking and we never see them locally either now. I was all for the Liberals, and the coalition, based on the pre election campaigns and immediately after election but now I'm totally against all 3 major parties and wont be voting for any of them in future.[/p][/quote]Don't vote green Poppy. What you get is a complete mess of innacurate scare stories and absurd unworkable pinky politics. Remember there is the brownest field site of all right in the middle of SOuthamptons industrial heartland and yet the greens led the most factually innacurate campaign against it Britain has ever seen. The Wickham Man
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8:16am Thu 6 Sep 12

loosehead says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
Poppy22 wrote:
Dresnez wrote:
If Jersey in the Channel Islands can protect it's country side, then there is no excuse for the UK. An island 7miles by 9miles roughly with a population of 90000 +. Once the countryside has gone it is gone forever. I am not a country toff either. There are a lot of built up areas crying out for redevelopment. Leaving run down blocks of ugly buildings intact brings an area down. First time buyers get a much harder time of it in Jersey and local people are not rich. Someone has to work in the shops, clean the toilets etc. The rich are in a minority, although there are a lot of rich people per sq mile. Please don't spoil Hampshire.
Hear hear.
Instead of continually using brownfield sites for yet more business premises (or, worse, leaving them as barren sites), which just bring more people into the area, use those sites for affordable housing, especially as the sites are usually in town or city centres so close to facilities without the need for cars or costly public transport. That would also benefit single people or young couples wanting to get onto the property ladder.
Leave our green fields alone - what's being planned by Eastleigh Borough Council, for example, is abhorrent.
This government seems hell bent on becoming the most unpopular government ever and it's about time a petition was started to get them out of power early! They have no idea what the population wants and doesn't want; they're just hell bent on listening to their own "types" in high-level businesses whilst ignoring the general population.
Worse is that the Liberals, who used to represent local communities here very well, are just going along with all this and becoming just as bad. Not one of our local councillors is listening to what we are saying or asking and we never see them locally either now.
I was all for the Liberals, and the coalition, based on the pre election campaigns and immediately after election but now I'm totally against all 3 major parties and wont be voting for any of them in future.
Don't vote green Poppy. What you get is a complete mess of innacurate scare stories and absurd unworkable pinky politics. Remember there is the brownest field site of all right in the middle of SOuthamptons industrial heartland and yet the greens led the most factually innacurate campaign against it Britain has ever seen.
Sorry but where?
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poppy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dresnez[/bold] wrote: If Jersey in the Channel Islands can protect it's country side, then there is no excuse for the UK. An island 7miles by 9miles roughly with a population of 90000 +. Once the countryside has gone it is gone forever. I am not a country toff either. There are a lot of built up areas crying out for redevelopment. Leaving run down blocks of ugly buildings intact brings an area down. First time buyers get a much harder time of it in Jersey and local people are not rich. Someone has to work in the shops, clean the toilets etc. The rich are in a minority, although there are a lot of rich people per sq mile. Please don't spoil Hampshire.[/p][/quote]Hear hear. Instead of continually using brownfield sites for yet more business premises (or, worse, leaving them as barren sites), which just bring more people into the area, use those sites for affordable housing, especially as the sites are usually in town or city centres so close to facilities without the need for cars or costly public transport. That would also benefit single people or young couples wanting to get onto the property ladder. Leave our green fields alone - what's being planned by Eastleigh Borough Council, for example, is abhorrent. This government seems hell bent on becoming the most unpopular government ever and it's about time a petition was started to get them out of power early! They have no idea what the population wants and doesn't want; they're just hell bent on listening to their own "types" in high-level businesses whilst ignoring the general population. Worse is that the Liberals, who used to represent local communities here very well, are just going along with all this and becoming just as bad. Not one of our local councillors is listening to what we are saying or asking and we never see them locally either now. I was all for the Liberals, and the coalition, based on the pre election campaigns and immediately after election but now I'm totally against all 3 major parties and wont be voting for any of them in future.[/p][/quote]Don't vote green Poppy. What you get is a complete mess of innacurate scare stories and absurd unworkable pinky politics. Remember there is the brownest field site of all right in the middle of SOuthamptons industrial heartland and yet the greens led the most factually innacurate campaign against it Britain has ever seen.[/p][/quote]Sorry but where? loosehead
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10:30am Thu 6 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Is this the same Tory guy whose leader used to suggest something on the lines of Green Conservatism?

Same old Tories, they will never change.

Trust the Tories and live to regret.

Good bye green belts. RIP
You seem like quite a clued up person in your own funny little way but unfortunately you're let down a bit by your complete gullibility.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Is this the same Tory guy whose leader used to suggest something on the lines of Green Conservatism? Same old Tories, they will never change. Trust the Tories and live to regret. Good bye green belts. RIP[/p][/quote]You seem like quite a clued up person in your own funny little way but unfortunately you're let down a bit by your complete gullibility. Shoong
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11:33am Thu 6 Sep 12

ohec says...

If we were short of countryside i could understand the objections but in the grand scheme of things only a very small proportion of the country is built on and we are desperate for more homes and there just isn't enough land in our towns and cities so we have no option but to build on greenfield sites. If successive governments had not encouraged so much immigration then we would not have this problem or a lot of others that immigration has caused, immigrants have largely taken over our major cities and the true inhabitants of those cities have moved out in search of a better quality of life which is one of the reasons the south coast has become so popular (a victim of its own success you might say) people do not want to live in cities, they want to live within easy reach of those cities but not in them, which is one reason why we have so many people objecting to more development because they bought their houses on the periphery in the belief that there would be no further development and now they fear being enveloped by new housing. There needs to be drastic changes in the way we house ourselves the whole concept of the so called property ladder needs scrapping, for far to long houses have been treated as an investment instead of being a home and this has pushed house prices to unsustainable levels. So we need rental housing at realistic rents and a price crash on existing property that can be brought about by over supply of new property, people always say my house is worth this or that when the truth of the matter is that until you have made that final payment you do not own the house its just another form of renting and a house is only worth what somebody is prepared to pay for it which is why house prices are dropping, this is one of the few countries in the world that look down on renting as a way of life and that is perpetuated by the myth that house prices always go up (or do they).
If we were short of countryside i could understand the objections but in the grand scheme of things only a very small proportion of the country is built on and we are desperate for more homes and there just isn't enough land in our towns and cities so we have no option but to build on greenfield sites. If successive governments had not encouraged so much immigration then we would not have this problem or a lot of others that immigration has caused, immigrants have largely taken over our major cities and the true inhabitants of those cities have moved out in search of a better quality of life which is one of the reasons the south coast has become so popular (a victim of its own success you might say) people do not want to live in cities, they want to live within easy reach of those cities but not in them, which is one reason why we have so many people objecting to more development because they bought their houses on the periphery in the belief that there would be no further development and now they fear being enveloped by new housing. There needs to be drastic changes in the way we house ourselves the whole concept of the so called property ladder needs scrapping, for far to long houses have been treated as an investment instead of being a home and this has pushed house prices to unsustainable levels. So we need rental housing at realistic rents and a price crash on existing property that can be brought about by over supply of new property, people always say my house is worth this or that when the truth of the matter is that until you have made that final payment you do not own the house its just another form of renting and a house is only worth what somebody is prepared to pay for it which is why house prices are dropping, this is one of the few countries in the world that look down on renting as a way of life and that is perpetuated by the myth that house prices always go up (or do they). ohec
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