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2:34pm Wednesday 18th June 2008

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HAMPSHIRE campaigners have hailed a decision by the Isle of Man government to scrap plans to add fluoride to tap water - and called on the county's health chiefs to follow suit.

Manx residents torpedoed the proposals after a poll of 1,000 residents found a majority were opposed.

Activists say Southampton health chiefs should back down now before the launch of a £178,000 public consultation in August.

Faced with higher levels of tooth decay than the UK, governors on the Isle of Man had sought to gauge public opinion on fluoridation.

But when the results of its initial research showed more than half of the island's 80,000 residents were opposed to the idea, the Council of Ministers dropped the scheme.


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John Spottiswoode, the chairman of Hampshire Against Fluoridation, has called for the project to be scrapped before more money is wasted.

"After much pushing and a lot of money spent by the Isle of Man health authorities, with some very blatant biased approaches, it looks like they have eventually been forced to listen to the public opposition," he said.

"Are we going to be forced to go through the same charade in Southampton?"

Announcing the decision, the Isle of Man's Minister for Health and Social Security, Eddie Teare, said the poll had highlighted important issues, especially the level of awareness about poor dental health on the Isle of Man.

"The poll results have shown that the majority of respondents are opposed to fluoridation of water in the Isle of Man," he said.

"On that basis the department accepts the results and will not continue with proposing fluoridation of the water in the near future."

But Southampton City Primary Care Trust (PCT), which is behind the fluoridation proposals here, says the cases are not comparable.

Although unable to comment on the Isle of Man poll when contacted by the Daily Echo, health chiefs have previously pointed to a similar survey held here earlier this year.

The independent poll, carried out as part of the SHA's preliminary research into the feasibility of fluoridating Southampton's water, showed more city respondents were in favour of adding fluoride than against it.


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Brian Jackson, Lancashire says...
5:58pm Wed 18 Jun 08

I think the PCT will find that the majority of people in the Southampton area will also be strongly against adding the toxic chemical to their water. Of course if you ask loaded questions then you will always get the public to say anything you want them too. However, the recent newspaper survey in Southampton utilising the Net, SMS, telephone and letter votes was absolutely conclusive. The only ones in favour of fluoridation are those such as Barry Cockcroft or Andrew Mortimer who are paid to say its wonderful, although they dont seem to know very much about it and of course others that dont know about fluoride and who fall for the disgraceful emotional blackmail about fluoride ending the pain and suffering of children at the dentists. I think its fair to say when polls right across the UK not just Southampton invariably show votes of 80% or more against, then you can be pretty sure that its not needed or wanted. Things will hot up now as teams of American lawyers are getting involved and are searching out those who promote fluoride.

John, Southampton says...
6:17pm Wed 18 Jun 08

When will our health authorities tell us the details behind exactly what questions were asked to get more in favour of fluoridation than against it? If you ask a loaded question then you can often get the answer you want. When a balanced question is asked (as in the Echo poll) with both sides being put then you ALWAYS get a big 'NO' to water fluoridation.

Molly Bennett, southampton says...
8:59pm Wed 18 Jun 08

Two questions the public should be asking of those who would advocate adding fluoride to our water 1--IS THIS SUBSTANCE A RESIDUE OF TOXIC WASTE?.
2-SHOULD ANYONE BE ALLOWED TO CARRY OUT ENFORCED INJESTION OF A TOXIC SUBSTANCE?
the answer to question one is yes! and the answer to question two ? speakup now!

molly bennett, southampton says...
9:05pm Wed 18 Jun 08

hi peter want to add your comment?

Bob444, Soton says...
9:38pm Wed 18 Jun 08

Perhaps a bottled water company could put fluoridated water on sale in supermarkets, so that the people who want it can have it. The rest of us (the overwhelming majority ) could then continue drinking unpolluted tap water.

Any comments?

LaneW, 815-228 says...
11:05pm Wed 18 Jun 08

Why not hand out pharmaceutical grade drops or tabs, so you can opt to take it or not and treat it like a medicine ?

Danny, says...
12:40am Thu 19 Jun 08

Avoid ingesting this poison!!!

They cannot be all that dumb as they seem to be!!

Fluoride displaces iodine, is that the REAL reason to dump it onto the populace to ensure more customers are generated for big pharma inc. its entities?

Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach Fl USA says...
2:12am Thu 19 Jun 08

Fluoridation has always been promoted by skilled public relations people who know how to sell.They avoid science because it has always been known it would damage people but not exactly how many or how badly. It is illegal to damage people with public water so they must legally redefine what damage ment and in the US the only health effect was legislated severe skeletal fluorosis which they claimed did not exist in the US. So by law there is no damage period. They create reality with lies. The promise of benefit for everyone is easy to sell. The truth is impossible with fluoridation. In Poughkeepsie they halted fluoridation after 33 fSA product suppliers and all health departments refused to answer any specific health questions for a year. This has been used several times with no questions answered. The answers I get rarely are anything other then statements of policy. Fluoridation promotion is only about fraud and promises of easy solutions very cheap. The just leave out the ugly truth. These promoters should do jail time for this total fraud. They would answer the questions if they had acceptable answers.Read the science on the many good sites. Jim Schultz

Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach Fl USA says...
2:36am Thu 19 Jun 08

The promise to reduce inequity was first stated to give poor kids rich kids teeth. Cavities decreased country wide with no relationship to fluoridation levels or fluoride content in the teeth. The CDC data clearly shows that and Bill Osmonson has put the data on chart and it is very consistant. No relationship period but the income one. It is the biggest factor everywhere but not the only one. You can always pick small select samples to prove anything if you control the data and the health departments do. The First Gem of Newburgh NY was the proof of fluoridation but now has more cavities and much more dental fluorosis then never fluoridated Kingston. Kumar 1998 NY state health department. A failure if you use real science not fraud. Examiner variability was never controled and it can be much greater then the effect you are looking for. Dentists wanted fluoridation to be a success and made it one to get more grants. Jim Schultz

Bob444, Soton says...
12:06pm Thu 19 Jun 08

The lack of comments here in favour of fluoridation speaks volumes.

bill, soton says...
1:52pm Thu 19 Jun 08

In today's Chattanooga Times Free Press a report on the States dental health entitled : State strengthening dental health services, Chattanooga dentist Dr. Ruth Lima shakes her head when recalling teeth she has seen in the mouths of elementary school students.
"Some of them are very, very badly broken down," she said. "They've been going to class. They're in pain."
Recently Dr. Lima had to remove six of a student's baby teeth that were rotted "down to the gumline," she said. "Here we are in this day and age with fluoride and all the education — you would think you wouldn't see that," she said. "My focus is to try to get this child back to good oral health."
In Tennessee, a great need exists for adult dental health services, dentists here said.
"There's a lot of adults that get cut off at 21," said Dr. James Wheeler, dentist at the Dodson Avenue Community Health Center, which treats mostly uninsured and Medicaid patients who pay based on a sliding scale.
"Some of the patients have (teeth in) very bad condition. They have dental neglect that has occurred for many, many years. If the state had some system to pay for cleanings that would greatly help," he said.
Chattanooga is 96% fluoridated. As the York report published, fluoridation is not proven effective. Yet I don't suppose Dr Mortimer will even read this.

Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach Fl USA says...
10:24pm Sat 21 Jun 08

Bill---Same all over the US with long fluoridated inner cities having large increases of cavities. The Burt 2007 study in Detroit maybe shows it best with almost all 5 year olds with cavities and often many. Most of the kids have dental fluorosis so we know they were fluoride toxic overdosed by ingested fluorides. Fluoridated water from the tap ,soda, chips(junk food in bags) are devoid of nutrition- just empty refined carbs. No fruits and vegetables in the diets and often no store with them nearby and chips are easy and relatively cheap. No healthy home cooking. Most poor kids get no dental care as the system is broken and most dentists refuse to treat the poor. Small payment and not good at keeping appointments. In my county on 8 dentist treat medicaid dental kids and that is out of over 200 dentists. One public health dentist now after many years with none. The system is in total meltdown failure and all they can think of is more fluoride. Dental incomes have skyrocketed past doctors in 20 years with level income for general practice and other non glamor like cosmetic surgery.The cosmetic dental people are getting rich off all the dental fluorosis damage and malclusion fluoride also causes. The cosmetic is for the rich not the poor and is out of pocket usually. It is difficult to imagine a more counter productive policy. To only read the data proves it false in so many ways. How little must they care about our health. Most still trust with no questions but it is unwise with the low level of knowledge and refusal to mention both sides of the issue. Why does the press not press these professionals for some real answers to the many questions on this email response page?

bill, soton says...
2:03pm Sun 22 Jun 08

Hi Jim
I hope the Echo which is doing a good job of publishing both sides of the fluoridation argument will get both side together in a debate. But I doubt if Mortimer will agree as there was a debate in the IOM and the pro-fluoride lobby got soundly beaten. Fluoridation there has well and truly been rejected.

I'm a member of the Hampshire Against Fluoridation http://hampshireagai

nstfluoridation.blog

spot.com/ and we are quite active we've produced a DVD, printed leaflets and are now advertising for support. We will also hold public meetings
later on. We are getting quite a lot of support so the battle is not lost yet. We have a good committee and even one dentist supports us as well as a doctor.

Bill

Jim Schultz, Ormond Beach Fl USA says...
3:32pm Tue 24 Jun 08

The really sad thing is that many doctors and dentists have to be aware of the harms and little benefit but choose not to step to the plate. That actually concerns me more as stupid is bad but coward is worse if you can not stand up to protect those in need. This policy is from the land of Oz and the agencies do their best to hide the truth. The power and money is in for the long haul on the cover up of the science. The policy of the health departments is to avoid debate at all costs and push it behind the scenes with commission members and no warning of votes if possible. Only state talking points to any question. Do not state specific studies just endorsers. Total sham and they all know it at the health departments. Keep up the good work Bill . Jim Schultz

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