Eastleigh by-election too close to call according Daily Echo poll

Daily Echo: Mike Thornton Mike Thornton

There’s only four days to go and they are practically neck and neck.

As the candidates enter the final days of canvassing in the Eastleigh by-election a Daily Echo poll has revealed it is going to go down to the wire.

Our survey has shown that there is hardly the width of a ballot paper separating Liberal Democrat Mike Thornton and Tory Maria Hutchings.

Our poll asked 1,000 people across the Eastleigh consitiuency who they will be voting for on Thursday.

But the findings also revealed it is far from a two- horse race, with the UK Independence Party (UKIP) surging ahead of Labour.

It also showed that more than a fifth of the electorate are so fed up with campaigning that they are not going to vote at all.

And despite three weeks of intense canvassing by the candidates three-quarters of all those questioned said they hadn’t changed their mind since the by-election was announced.

The poll was sparked by the resignation of former Liberal Democrat MP Chris Huhne.

He was exposed as a cheat who faces jail for lying over a speeding ticket.

Yet the largest slice of voters, 21.9 per cent of the vote, still trust Mr Huhne’s party enough to return another Lib Dem to parliament to fight their corner.

Party hopeful Mike Thornton, a 60-year-old borough councillor from Bishopstoke, said: “The message from us is that it could be your vote that could swing it.

“It is the last lap and we know it’s probably going to be between the Tories and the Liberal Democrats. It’s what residents are telling us. We are going to keep going like crazy so we can get to Westminster to work for the people of Eastleigh, for fairer taxes and for green spaces.”

Our survey recorded 21.5 per cent backing Maria Hutchings.

The strong show of hands for the 51-year-old mum of four comes after a series of controversial comments, including not supporting gay marriage and dubbing state schools unfit for her brainy child.

She said: “I have not really been tracking the polls at all. All I have been doing 24/7 is going out knocking on doors and walking around. The next few days will be very, very busy and we will just be out speaking to people. I am literally walking non-stop and going home, collapsing and going to sleep.”

Meanwhile our non-scientific poll shows UKIP have 17.9 per cent of the vote – in the 2010 General Election they only scored 3.6 per cent.

Candidate Diane James said: “The latest polling figures once again show that our momentum is increasing and with time to go before polling day we are finding that the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats support is dropping while ours is increasing.”

But Labour hopeful John O’Farrell, a satirist and comedy writer, was not giving up.

He said: “It’s a two-horse race between the coalition and John O’Farrell for Labour. What the polls don’t show is the massive part of the pie chart that are the undecided.

 

Party Now 2010 Lib Dem 21.9% 46.5% Conservative 21.5% 39.33% UKIP 17.9% 3.6% Labour 11.8% 9.6% Others 4.9% 0.92% Will not vote 22%  

 

Have you changed your mind since the by-election was announced? Yes - 24.3%

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6:03pm Mon 25 Feb 13

timothyvince says...

Even though you have access to photos of other serious candidates in this By Election (which even betting channels are drawing attention to!!) you never show them on your photo gallery - let alone in your copy. Is there an in-built local media snobbery against any serious non-party candidate standing for election? If they have the guts to stand for Eastleigh should they not at the very least expect fair and balanced coverage in their local newspaper - if not the national press.

I attended the Hustings Event last night and your newspaper article on that event - let alone this article - does not accurately reflect the candidates on offer to the electors of Eastleigh.
There is a democratic deficit during this election and I hope enough of the people of Eastleigh will vote away from the major parties to send a warning to the cynical political elitist in parliament and the media that this country deserves better!
Even though you have access to photos of other serious candidates in this By Election (which even betting channels are drawing attention to!!) you never show them on your photo gallery - let alone in your copy. Is there an in-built local media snobbery against any serious non-party candidate standing for election? If they have the guts to stand for Eastleigh should they not at the very least expect fair and balanced coverage in their local newspaper - if not the national press. I attended the Hustings Event last night and your newspaper article on that event - let alone this article - does not accurately reflect the candidates on offer to the electors of Eastleigh. There is a democratic deficit during this election and I hope enough of the people of Eastleigh will vote away from the major parties to send a warning to the cynical political elitist in parliament and the media that this country deserves better! timothyvince
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6:11pm Mon 25 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

Urgh. What a choice.

Yellow tories with an aversion to the truth?
Blue tories who only serve the rich?
Xenophobic tenuous grip on reality party?
Red tories who have no idea what they stand for?
Fringe interests, nutters, and those with no hope of election?

Someone broke democracy.
Urgh. What a choice. Yellow tories with an aversion to the truth? Blue tories who only serve the rich? Xenophobic tenuous grip on reality party? Red tories who have no idea what they stand for? Fringe interests, nutters, and those with no hope of election? Someone broke democracy. cantthinkofone
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6:12pm Mon 25 Feb 13

elliestruth says...

I agree the media, be it, journalists or TV exposure, you would hardly know UKIP were there, this must change, or we loose our democracy completely. All our laws are made in Brussell, we have no control on who comes in this country, we can not deport them. We hear politicians telling us they are going to do this and the other, but know they can not, but nobody will admit to anything, mention the EU, or immigration and you are racist. We are between the devil and the blue sea. Come on Journalist tell how it is.
I agree the media, be it, journalists or TV exposure, you would hardly know UKIP were there, this must change, or we loose our democracy completely. All our laws are made in Brussell, we have no control on who comes in this country, we can not deport them. We hear politicians telling us they are going to do this and the other, but know they can not, but nobody will admit to anything, mention the EU, or immigration and you are racist. We are between the devil and the blue sea. Come on Journalist tell how it is. elliestruth
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6:41pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

If after not only Huhne affair but even more serious betrayal of most of the promises made by Lib-Dems during last election was not sufficient reasons for voters to avoid touching these cheats even with a barge pole, now latest U Turn by Clegg who has been eventually forced to admit that he was aware of allegations regarding sexual harassment of women within his party should be yet more reason for people to stay away from Lib-Dem more than even plague.

NuLabour's efforts in Eastleigh may be admirable, because they have thrown all they could at Eastleigh.

But if even with Tories and their unprincipled Lib-Dem bed fellows exposing their real fangs while hell bent on stabbing each other in backs, NuLabour candidate can't win then it will only prove:

1: The geeks run campaign based upon manual 'How to lose elections' is to be blamed.

2: Miliband's fib that NuLabour is dead has failed to fool the people, who dislike NuLabour but remain loyal to The Labour Party's values

3: Decision of national leadership to ignore suitable life long highly experienced and known for hard work member from short list of candidates because they wanted to rig the selection in favour of people from media world to have more clones of Mandelson in parliament was very wrong.

Any way the poll that really matters will be held on Thursday.

So only hope voters won't vote for Coalition partners responsible for messing UK's credit ratings or for party which coordinates with ultra right M Le Pen of France.
If after not only Huhne affair but even more serious betrayal of most of the promises made by Lib-Dems during last election was not sufficient reasons for voters to avoid touching these cheats even with a barge pole, now latest U Turn by Clegg who has been eventually forced to admit that he was aware of allegations regarding sexual harassment of women within his party should be yet more reason for people to stay away from Lib-Dem more than even plague. NuLabour's efforts in Eastleigh may be admirable, because they have thrown all they could at Eastleigh. But if even with Tories and their unprincipled Lib-Dem bed fellows exposing their real fangs while hell bent on stabbing each other in backs, NuLabour candidate can't win then it will only prove: 1: The geeks run campaign based upon manual 'How to lose elections' is to be blamed. 2: Miliband's fib that NuLabour is dead has failed to fool the people, who dislike NuLabour but remain loyal to The Labour Party's values 3: Decision of national leadership to ignore suitable life long highly experienced and known for hard work member from short list of candidates because they wanted to rig the selection in favour of people from media world to have more clones of Mandelson in parliament was very wrong. Any way the poll that really matters will be held on Thursday. So only hope voters won't vote for Coalition partners responsible for messing UK's credit ratings or for party which coordinates with ultra right M Le Pen of France. Paramjit Bahia
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6:42pm Mon 25 Feb 13

philgcdr says...

Vote UKIP.org.
Vote UKIP.org. philgcdr
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6:49pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Whoever the electorate of Eastleigh vote make sure you dont vote for Tories, Lib Dems or UKIP.
.
Voting for either of them is a vote for the failure of the past 2.5 years
Whoever the electorate of Eastleigh vote make sure you dont vote for Tories, Lib Dems or UKIP. . Voting for either of them is a vote for the failure of the past 2.5 years Lone Ranger.
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7:01pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Whoever the electorate of Eastleigh vote make sure you dont vote for Tories, Lib Dems or UKIP.
.
Voting for either of them is a vote for the failure of the past 2.5 years
Very good advice from LR.

Those who ignore it on Thursday will live to regret and we as nation could end up paying the price.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Whoever the electorate of Eastleigh vote make sure you dont vote for Tories, Lib Dems or UKIP. . Voting for either of them is a vote for the failure of the past 2.5 years[/p][/quote]Very good advice from LR. Those who ignore it on Thursday will live to regret and we as nation could end up paying the price. Paramjit Bahia
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7:36pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Whoever the electorate of Eastleigh vote make sure you dont vote for Tories, Lib Dems or UKIP.
.
Voting for either of them is a vote for the failure of the past 2.5 years
Very good advice from LR.

Those who ignore it on Thursday will live to regret and we as nation could end up paying the price.
Thank you Paramjit ...... I thought you would agree !!
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Whoever the electorate of Eastleigh vote make sure you dont vote for Tories, Lib Dems or UKIP. . Voting for either of them is a vote for the failure of the past 2.5 years[/p][/quote]Very good advice from LR. Those who ignore it on Thursday will live to regret and we as nation could end up paying the price.[/p][/quote]Thank you Paramjit ...... I thought you would agree !! Lone Ranger.
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7:41pm Mon 25 Feb 13

colorado kid says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
If after not only Huhne affair but even more serious betrayal of most of the promises made by Lib-Dems during last election was not sufficient reasons for voters to avoid touching these cheats even with a barge pole, now latest U Turn by Clegg who has been eventually forced to admit that he was aware of allegations regarding sexual harassment of women within his party should be yet more reason for people to stay away from Lib-Dem more than even plague.

NuLabour's efforts in Eastleigh may be admirable, because they have thrown all they could at Eastleigh.

But if even with Tories and their unprincipled Lib-Dem bed fellows exposing their real fangs while hell bent on stabbing each other in backs, NuLabour candidate can't win then it will only prove:

1: The geeks run campaign based upon manual 'How to lose elections' is to be blamed.

2: Miliband's fib that NuLabour is dead has failed to fool the people, who dislike NuLabour but remain loyal to The Labour Party's values

3: Decision of national leadership to ignore suitable life long highly experienced and known for hard work member from short list of candidates because they wanted to rig the selection in favour of people from media world to have more clones of Mandelson in parliament was very wrong.

Any way the poll that really matters will be held on Thursday.

So only hope voters won't vote for Coalition partners responsible for messing UK's credit ratings or for party which coordinates with ultra right M Le Pen of France.
You are quite a comedian,anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that Nulabour got us into the financial mess we are in now,it took them 13 years this time, normally it takes them one term,so they are improving on conning the UK electorate,however with this moron O'farrell they have absolutely no chance of winning but every chance of coming fourth.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: If after not only Huhne affair but even more serious betrayal of most of the promises made by Lib-Dems during last election was not sufficient reasons for voters to avoid touching these cheats even with a barge pole, now latest U Turn by Clegg who has been eventually forced to admit that he was aware of allegations regarding sexual harassment of women within his party should be yet more reason for people to stay away from Lib-Dem more than even plague. NuLabour's efforts in Eastleigh may be admirable, because they have thrown all they could at Eastleigh. But if even with Tories and their unprincipled Lib-Dem bed fellows exposing their real fangs while hell bent on stabbing each other in backs, NuLabour candidate can't win then it will only prove: 1: The geeks run campaign based upon manual 'How to lose elections' is to be blamed. 2: Miliband's fib that NuLabour is dead has failed to fool the people, who dislike NuLabour but remain loyal to The Labour Party's values 3: Decision of national leadership to ignore suitable life long highly experienced and known for hard work member from short list of candidates because they wanted to rig the selection in favour of people from media world to have more clones of Mandelson in parliament was very wrong. Any way the poll that really matters will be held on Thursday. So only hope voters won't vote for Coalition partners responsible for messing UK's credit ratings or for party which coordinates with ultra right M Le Pen of France.[/p][/quote]You are quite a comedian,anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that Nulabour got us into the financial mess we are in now,it took them 13 years this time, normally it takes them one term,so they are improving on conning the UK electorate,however with this moron O'farrell they have absolutely no chance of winning but every chance of coming fourth. colorado kid
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8:21pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

colorado kid wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
If after not only Huhne affair but even more serious betrayal of most of the promises made by Lib-Dems during last election was not sufficient reasons for voters to avoid touching these cheats even with a barge pole, now latest U Turn by Clegg who has been eventually forced to admit that he was aware of allegations regarding sexual harassment of women within his party should be yet more reason for people to stay away from Lib-Dem more than even plague.

NuLabour's efforts in Eastleigh may be admirable, because they have thrown all they could at Eastleigh.

But if even with Tories and their unprincipled Lib-Dem bed fellows exposing their real fangs while hell bent on stabbing each other in backs, NuLabour candidate can't win then it will only prove:

1: The geeks run campaign based upon manual 'How to lose elections' is to be blamed.

2: Miliband's fib that NuLabour is dead has failed to fool the people, who dislike NuLabour but remain loyal to The Labour Party's values

3: Decision of national leadership to ignore suitable life long highly experienced and known for hard work member from short list of candidates because they wanted to rig the selection in favour of people from media world to have more clones of Mandelson in parliament was very wrong.

Any way the poll that really matters will be held on Thursday.

So only hope voters won't vote for Coalition partners responsible for messing UK's credit ratings or for party which coordinates with ultra right M Le Pen of France.
You are quite a comedian,anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that Nulabour got us into the financial mess we are in now,it took them 13 years this time, normally it takes them one term,so they are improving on conning the UK electorate,however with this moron O'farrell they have absolutely no chance of winning but every chance of coming fourth.
Obviously you conveniently want to forget that arrogant out of touch posh boys of the Tories made a huge issue about saving UK's AAA credit ratings, which under them have now gone into smoke.

Just like many big name retailers from high streets along with another 800 jobs which Tesco have announced today.

Sadly under Coalition even the food has become fake, people are paying for beef burgers but are fed pony burgers, in some cases sourced from animals which were given bute. And ministers are still saying eating those is safe. Didn't certain Tory also said the same in 1980s when we were warning about mad cow disease?

Do you really expect us the people to forget massive advertising by Tories promising to look after the NHS? And us not to notice while reducing the tax rate for super rich how ConDem Coalition of self serving unprincipled opportunists is trying to choke the life out of NHS by dictating cuts?
[quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: If after not only Huhne affair but even more serious betrayal of most of the promises made by Lib-Dems during last election was not sufficient reasons for voters to avoid touching these cheats even with a barge pole, now latest U Turn by Clegg who has been eventually forced to admit that he was aware of allegations regarding sexual harassment of women within his party should be yet more reason for people to stay away from Lib-Dem more than even plague. NuLabour's efforts in Eastleigh may be admirable, because they have thrown all they could at Eastleigh. But if even with Tories and their unprincipled Lib-Dem bed fellows exposing their real fangs while hell bent on stabbing each other in backs, NuLabour candidate can't win then it will only prove: 1: The geeks run campaign based upon manual 'How to lose elections' is to be blamed. 2: Miliband's fib that NuLabour is dead has failed to fool the people, who dislike NuLabour but remain loyal to The Labour Party's values 3: Decision of national leadership to ignore suitable life long highly experienced and known for hard work member from short list of candidates because they wanted to rig the selection in favour of people from media world to have more clones of Mandelson in parliament was very wrong. Any way the poll that really matters will be held on Thursday. So only hope voters won't vote for Coalition partners responsible for messing UK's credit ratings or for party which coordinates with ultra right M Le Pen of France.[/p][/quote]You are quite a comedian,anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that Nulabour got us into the financial mess we are in now,it took them 13 years this time, normally it takes them one term,so they are improving on conning the UK electorate,however with this moron O'farrell they have absolutely no chance of winning but every chance of coming fourth.[/p][/quote]Obviously you conveniently want to forget that arrogant out of touch posh boys of the Tories made a huge issue about saving UK's AAA credit ratings, which under them have now gone into smoke. Just like many big name retailers from high streets along with another 800 jobs which Tesco have announced today. Sadly under Coalition even the food has become fake, people are paying for beef burgers but are fed pony burgers, in some cases sourced from animals which were given bute. And ministers are still saying eating those is safe. Didn't certain Tory also said the same in 1980s when we were warning about mad cow disease? Do you really expect us the people to forget massive advertising by Tories promising to look after the NHS? And us not to notice while reducing the tax rate for super rich how ConDem Coalition of self serving unprincipled opportunists is trying to choke the life out of NHS by dictating cuts? Paramjit Bahia
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8:23pm Mon 25 Feb 13

LancashireLad says...

The Times poll today shows UK Independence Party on 25% just one point behind The Conservative Candidate...could the voters of Eastleigh voters make history by having the first UKIP MP Diane James reresenting them in Parliament. What a wake up call this would be for this Liberal led PC Coalition Government.
The Times poll today shows UK Independence Party on 25% just one point behind The Conservative Candidate...could the voters of Eastleigh voters make history by having the first UKIP MP Diane James reresenting them in Parliament. What a wake up call this would be for this Liberal led PC Coalition Government. LancashireLad
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8:29pm Mon 25 Feb 13

LancashireLad says...

Latest Liberal Democrat scandal.. first Nick Clegg says he didn't know about the claims of impropriety against women by Lord Rennard then it seems he changes his mind and says he did know something??? What!
Latest Liberal Democrat scandal.. first Nick Clegg says he didn't know about the claims of impropriety against women by Lord Rennard then it seems he changes his mind and says he did know something??? What! LancashireLad
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8:31pm Mon 25 Feb 13

LancashireLad says...

Read Billy Kenber's article in The Times today: 'If Chris Huhne lying doesn't derail us, neither will this' ....(what unbelievable arrogance from the Liberals who seem to think they are untouchable and unaccountable for their actions whilst in public office)...the artice continues " The Liberal Democrats insist that allegations of sexual misconduct by a former party chief will not affect their chances in the Eastleigh by-election, despite indications that the race may be getting tighter"..."Senior Lib Dem politicians are understood to be nervous about the impact of the scandal on their vote, but a spokesman in Eastleigh said they had seen few indications that it was a concern for voters. The Lib Dem aide said that, " if Chris Huhne lying isn't going to derail us then a peer that very few people have heard of is not going to harm us", he said. end quote.
What breath taking arrogance and contempt shown towards the good people of Eastleigh. Perhaps voters will give their judgement on whether they care about this latest Lib Dem scandal on Thursday.
Read Billy Kenber's article in The Times today: 'If Chris Huhne lying doesn't derail us, neither will this' ....(what unbelievable arrogance from the Liberals who seem to think they are untouchable and unaccountable for their actions whilst in public office)...the artice continues " The Liberal Democrats insist that allegations of sexual misconduct by a former party chief will not affect their chances in the Eastleigh by-election, despite indications that the race may be getting tighter"..."Senior Lib Dem politicians are understood to be nervous about the impact of the scandal on their vote, but a spokesman in Eastleigh said they had seen few indications that it was a concern for voters. The Lib Dem aide said that, " if Chris Huhne lying isn't going to derail us then a peer that very few people have heard of is not going to harm us", he said. end quote. What breath taking arrogance and contempt shown towards the good people of Eastleigh. Perhaps voters will give their judgement on whether they care about this latest Lib Dem scandal on Thursday. LancashireLad
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8:36pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Huffter says...

One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country.
There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.
One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country. There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus. Huffter
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8:37pm Mon 25 Feb 13

angelleb says...

Over the course of 13 years Labour employed ever increasing armies of bureaucrats and administrators into local and central government in a bid to reduce unemployment (to make themselves look good).

But they are hoping that people don't realise that the public sector doesn't earn money for the country - it helps bring investment in by providing an infrastructure (by educating future workers with the skills needed by industry, providing transport infrastructure to move goods and workers, providing healthcare so we have a healthier and more productive workforce, etc.) but it doesn't produce goods and services to sell abroad which is what helps the country pay its way in the world.

It is a vital partner to the private sector a bit like a house-wife/house-hus
band it keeps the house in order and looks after the kids so that the earning partner can go out to work.

In a way the tax collected from public sector employment is simply recycling money through the system - public sector workers are paid out of the taxes from private sector (any tax collected from public sector incomes is just a re-circulation of money).

The bigger the public sector the more taxes you need to pay for it from private sector workers and the more you tax private sector workers the more wages they will need to make up for the shortfall in their wages. This deters companies from setting up in this country because they always look at the bottom line which is in a large part determined by labour costs.

So the size of the public sector needs to be a fraction of the size of the private sector which ultimately funds it (directly and indirectly) and to simply increase the size of the bureaucracy in the public sector is a complete waste of the finite resource.

We have approximately 6 million public sector workers in this country but no one can add up the front line workers up to more than 1.5 million. So for every front line public sector worker there are 3 bureaucrats???

New Labour had the opportunity to employ more doctors and nurses to improve healthcare but instead of increasing the size of NHS administration to mind boggling levels. They could have increased the number of police officers to reduce crime but instead they swamped officers with red tape so they are stuck behind a desk filling forms.

They had the opportunity to increase road and rail projects to reduce congestion on our overburdened transport infrastructure but they chose to spend billions going to war in Iraq. They could have increased the number of teachers to give us a better educated and skilled work force and increase the wealth of this country but instead they increased welfare to a level at which some families got more money to stay at home.

The conservatives had the opportunity to right some of the wrongs but they ended up cutting front line jobs as well as the paper pushers. All the time the public debt level keeps rising and future tax payers are going to have pay the price for this recklessly unbalanced economy. Why do we keep voting for these idiots?
Over the course of 13 years Labour employed ever increasing armies of bureaucrats and administrators into local and central government in a bid to reduce unemployment (to make themselves look good). But they are hoping that people don't realise that the public sector doesn't earn money for the country - it helps bring investment in by providing an infrastructure (by educating future workers with the skills needed by industry, providing transport infrastructure to move goods and workers, providing healthcare so we have a healthier and more productive workforce, etc.) but it doesn't produce goods and services to sell abroad which is what helps the country pay its way in the world. It is a vital partner to the private sector a bit like a house-wife/house-hus band it keeps the house in order and looks after the kids so that the earning partner can go out to work. In a way the tax collected from public sector employment is simply recycling money through the system - public sector workers are paid out of the taxes from private sector (any tax collected from public sector incomes is just a re-circulation of money). The bigger the public sector the more taxes you need to pay for it from private sector workers and the more you tax private sector workers the more wages they will need to make up for the shortfall in their wages. This deters companies from setting up in this country because they always look at the bottom line which is in a large part determined by labour costs. So the size of the public sector needs to be a fraction of the size of the private sector which ultimately funds it (directly and indirectly) and to simply increase the size of the bureaucracy in the public sector is a complete waste of the finite resource. We have approximately 6 million public sector workers in this country but no one can add up the front line workers up to more than 1.5 million. So for every front line public sector worker there are 3 bureaucrats??? New Labour had the opportunity to employ more doctors and nurses to improve healthcare but instead of increasing the size of NHS administration to mind boggling levels. They could have increased the number of police officers to reduce crime but instead they swamped officers with red tape so they are stuck behind a desk filling forms. They had the opportunity to increase road and rail projects to reduce congestion on our overburdened transport infrastructure but they chose to spend billions going to war in Iraq. They could have increased the number of teachers to give us a better educated and skilled work force and increase the wealth of this country but instead they increased welfare to a level at which some families got more money to stay at home. The conservatives had the opportunity to right some of the wrongs but they ended up cutting front line jobs as well as the paper pushers. All the time the public debt level keeps rising and future tax payers are going to have pay the price for this recklessly unbalanced economy. Why do we keep voting for these idiots? angelleb
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8:40pm Mon 25 Feb 13

honour says...

I will not vote for any of the so-called three major parties they are all greedy, they don’t care what any of us think
I appeal to everyone use your vote.at every occasion only then they just might listen if huge numbers lose their seats.
I will not vote for any of the so-called three major parties they are all greedy, they don’t care what any of us think I appeal to everyone use your vote.at every occasion only then they just might listen if huge numbers lose their seats. honour
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8:42pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Jack Herer says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
Urgh. What a choice.

Yellow tories with an aversion to the truth?
Blue tories who only serve the rich?
Xenophobic tenuous grip on reality party?
Red tories who have no idea what they stand for?
Fringe interests, nutters, and those with no hope of election?

Someone broke democracy.
Lol - excellent point. Democracy does look broke.

It's a shame we don't have one party that you think; "yeah, that's for me, I agree with every single thing they say." That party just doesn't exist.

The way I look at it therefore is the best of a bad bunch, and I know they're getting a hammering at the minute, but the best for me is the Lib Dems.

Christ, circumstances could be different though! What was Chris Hulne thinking for starters? What was going through his head? And this thing that's been in the papers this weekend; I'm obviously not going to believe everything I read straight away, but still, whoa! In that case, if there is any wrong doing, then the full on full force of the law should be felt (and with Chris Hulne of course).

One big problem we have is spin rules today. If the papers like you, then they will print you in a favourable light. I'm guessing it wouldn't be outside the realms of possibility to say they will even keep things out of the papers for you. It means we have a country where smears and scares rule, rather than policy.

After the recent Leveson enquiry, the Lib Dems called for the voice of hacking victims to be heard, whilst David Cameron has shamelessly sided with rich newspaper owners and sleazy tabloids, who care not a jot for whom they trample over.

The forces of spin are therefore massed against the Lib Dems, and not against the Tories (and my goodness weren't those beckoned forces impressive this weekend against the Lib Dems). I judge the Lib Dems on their actions however, and so far, for me, they are the ones looking out for the man in the street. Not their newspaper cohorts, nor union friends, nor rich chums who genuinely think they just deserve more than us oiks, but just, on balance, what's best for all of us.

These decisions are never easy of course - pleasing one set of people might annoy others. And changing things for the better with the thread bare finances left by the last government must be a nightmare.

For me, Eastleigh is one of those fine corners of our green and pleasant land, where decent people can see through the spin of the sleazy tabloids. I'm obviously hoping that happens again, but goodness me, circumstances could be different.

So if you want to know who to plum for - for me it's the Yellow tories with the aversion to the truth!
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: Urgh. What a choice. Yellow tories with an aversion to the truth? Blue tories who only serve the rich? Xenophobic tenuous grip on reality party? Red tories who have no idea what they stand for? Fringe interests, nutters, and those with no hope of election? Someone broke democracy.[/p][/quote]Lol - excellent point. Democracy does look broke. It's a shame we don't have one party that you think; "yeah, that's for me, I agree with every single thing they say." That party just doesn't exist. The way I look at it therefore is the best of a bad bunch, and I know they're getting a hammering at the minute, but the best for me is the Lib Dems. Christ, circumstances could be different though! What was Chris Hulne thinking for starters? What was going through his head? And this thing that's been in the papers this weekend; I'm obviously not going to believe everything I read straight away, but still, whoa! In that case, if there is any wrong doing, then the full on full force of the law should be felt (and with Chris Hulne of course). One big problem we have is spin rules today. If the papers like you, then they will print you in a favourable light. I'm guessing it wouldn't be outside the realms of possibility to say they will even keep things out of the papers for you. It means we have a country where smears and scares rule, rather than policy. After the recent Leveson enquiry, the Lib Dems called for the voice of hacking victims to be heard, whilst David Cameron has shamelessly sided with rich newspaper owners and sleazy tabloids, who care not a jot for whom they trample over. The forces of spin are therefore massed against the Lib Dems, and not against the Tories (and my goodness weren't those beckoned forces impressive this weekend against the Lib Dems). I judge the Lib Dems on their actions however, and so far, for me, they are the ones looking out for the man in the street. Not their newspaper cohorts, nor union friends, nor rich chums who genuinely think they just deserve more than us oiks, but just, on balance, what's best for all of us. These decisions are never easy of course - pleasing one set of people might annoy others. And changing things for the better with the thread bare finances left by the last government must be a nightmare. For me, Eastleigh is one of those fine corners of our green and pleasant land, where decent people can see through the spin of the sleazy tabloids. I'm obviously hoping that happens again, but goodness me, circumstances could be different. So if you want to know who to plum for - for me it's the Yellow tories with the aversion to the truth! Jack Herer
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8:48pm Mon 25 Feb 13

FoysCornerBoy says...

I wonder about the methodology used by the Echo in conducting its opinion poll. Forgive me if I sound a tad cynical but the general political coverage in this region's only daily newspaper tends to be heavily weighted against Labour.

Since the by election was called UKIP supporters and their unpleasant fellow travellers - who lack any real electoral base in this area - have posted very heavily on the Echo's website.

It comes as no surprise, therefore, to see Labour lagging behind in 4th place well behind UKIP in this 'poll'. I suspect that on election night it will be a far closer finish between the four front runners.
I wonder about the methodology used by the Echo in conducting its opinion poll. Forgive me if I sound a tad cynical but the general political coverage in this region's only daily newspaper tends to be heavily weighted against Labour. Since the by election was called UKIP supporters and their unpleasant fellow travellers - who lack any real electoral base in this area - have posted very heavily on the Echo's website. It comes as no surprise, therefore, to see Labour lagging behind in 4th place well behind UKIP in this 'poll'. I suspect that on election night it will be a far closer finish between the four front runners. FoysCornerBoy
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8:49pm Mon 25 Feb 13

LancashireLad says...

Anyone who is foolish enough to vote for the London Islington political elite, other wise known as New Labour under 11 years of 'Father Tony's leadership or indeed the two years of Gordon's mess that followed, then you must have a very short memory of what these controlling politically correct champagne socialist did to our once great nation. One thing is for sure they are a million miles from the working class people of Eastleigh. Don't waste your vote by voting Labour vote for a party that has a chance of winning on Thursday; and causing the biggest upset in a Parliament in a by-election sice Shirley Wiilliams won at Crosby. Vote for Diane James.
Anyone who is foolish enough to vote for the London Islington political elite, other wise known as New Labour under 11 years of 'Father Tony's leadership or indeed the two years of Gordon's mess that followed, then you must have a very short memory of what these controlling politically correct champagne socialist did to our once great nation. One thing is for sure they are a million miles from the working class people of Eastleigh. Don't waste your vote by voting Labour vote for a party that has a chance of winning on Thursday; and causing the biggest upset in a Parliament in a by-election sice Shirley Wiilliams won at Crosby. Vote for Diane James. LancashireLad
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8:51pm Mon 25 Feb 13

colorado kid says...

Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.
Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore. colorado kid
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8:56pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Jack Herer says...

LancashireLad wrote:
Read Billy Kenber's article in The Times today: 'If Chris Huhne lying doesn't derail us, neither will this' ....(what unbelievable arrogance from the Liberals who seem to think they are untouchable and unaccountable for their actions whilst in public office)...the artice continues " The Liberal Democrats insist that allegations of sexual misconduct by a former party chief will not affect their chances in the Eastleigh by-election, despite indications that the race may be getting tighter"..."Senior Lib Dem politicians are understood to be nervous about the impact of the scandal on their vote, but a spokesman in Eastleigh said they had seen few indications that it was a concern for voters. The Lib Dem aide said that, " if Chris Huhne lying isn't going to derail us then a peer that very few people have heard of is not going to harm us", he said. end quote.
What breath taking arrogance and contempt shown towards the good people of Eastleigh. Perhaps voters will give their judgement on whether they care about this latest Lib Dem scandal on Thursday.
I've got to say that you are certainly pushing that one.

Of course the people of Eastleigh care.

All the Lib Dems care too - massively. You surely can't suggest that all Lib Dems are monsters somehow instead who don't care. It's ludicrous - it's a bit obscene on the Lib Dems of Eastleigh to be absolutely honest, who have nothing to do with this, and are just as appalled by this as well. They care just as much as everyone else.

Please don't push spin therefore. Taking quotes and saying it is the opinion of the Lib Dems genuinely isn't fair. It isn't. The Lib Dems of Eastleigh care. The good people of Eastleigh care.

Yes, we all want to see any wrong doing brought to justice, but we need to actually see what has gone on first. We shouldn't have tabloid driven justice. It's spin of another form. It should have no place in our politics. It's a big reason why this country is a mess.
[quote][p][bold]LancashireLad[/bold] wrote: Read Billy Kenber's article in The Times today: 'If Chris Huhne lying doesn't derail us, neither will this' ....(what unbelievable arrogance from the Liberals who seem to think they are untouchable and unaccountable for their actions whilst in public office)...the artice continues " The Liberal Democrats insist that allegations of sexual misconduct by a former party chief will not affect their chances in the Eastleigh by-election, despite indications that the race may be getting tighter"..."Senior Lib Dem politicians are understood to be nervous about the impact of the scandal on their vote, but a spokesman in Eastleigh said they had seen few indications that it was a concern for voters. The Lib Dem aide said that, " if Chris Huhne lying isn't going to derail us then a peer that very few people have heard of is not going to harm us", he said. end quote. What breath taking arrogance and contempt shown towards the good people of Eastleigh. Perhaps voters will give their judgement on whether they care about this latest Lib Dem scandal on Thursday.[/p][/quote]I've got to say that you are certainly pushing that one. Of course the people of Eastleigh care. All the Lib Dems care too - massively. You surely can't suggest that all Lib Dems are monsters somehow instead who don't care. It's ludicrous - it's a bit obscene on the Lib Dems of Eastleigh to be absolutely honest, who have nothing to do with this, and are just as appalled by this as well. They care just as much as everyone else. Please don't push spin therefore. Taking quotes and saying it is the opinion of the Lib Dems genuinely isn't fair. It isn't. The Lib Dems of Eastleigh care. The good people of Eastleigh care. Yes, we all want to see any wrong doing brought to justice, but we need to actually see what has gone on first. We shouldn't have tabloid driven justice. It's spin of another form. It should have no place in our politics. It's a big reason why this country is a mess. Jack Herer
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8:58pm Mon 25 Feb 13

LancashireLad says...

colorado kid wrote:
Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.
Well said Colorado kid with only 8% showing in ComRes national poll the Liberal Democrats need a reality check, lets hope the good folk of Eastleigh can bring them back down to earth on Thursday.
[quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.[/p][/quote]Well said Colorado kid with only 8% showing in ComRes national poll the Liberal Democrats need a reality check, lets hope the good folk of Eastleigh can bring them back down to earth on Thursday. LancashireLad
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9:09pm Mon 25 Feb 13

userds5050 says...

Huffter wrote:
One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country.
There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.
It is a barometer of how folk will vote at the next general election though. If the Tories cannot claim Eastleigh they are in serious trouble.
[quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country. There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.[/p][/quote]It is a barometer of how folk will vote at the next general election though. If the Tories cannot claim Eastleigh they are in serious trouble. userds5050
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9:13pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Jack Herer says...

colorado kid wrote:
Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.
Let's be honest, Labour and the Tories have far more.

There is no denying that there has been a shameless thread of rottenness weaving through all Westminster - where neither red, blue or yellow were immune. Some of the behaviour has been shocking.

Some of the Lib Dem names you've chucked in are small fry for some of the shameless antics of some Conservative or Labour MPs though.

And pushing the latest one, when we have zero facts yet, all does smack harshly of spin if you don't mind me saying.

Is it too much to ask that the good people of Eastleigh aren't bombarded with a tidal wave of spin? Politics should be decided by policy not spin.

Spin is what the Tories do to get in power, and once in power it's happy days tax breaks for the fat cats who got them that spin. Labour do the same of course. Tony Blair was the original black belt master of spin.

The good people of Eastleigh usually see through that sleazy spin, but I've got to say, the forces are certainly massed against them.

So please therefore, have a heart, give them a break and relent with your spin.
[quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.[/p][/quote]Let's be honest, Labour and the Tories have far more. There is no denying that there has been a shameless thread of rottenness weaving through all Westminster - where neither red, blue or yellow were immune. Some of the behaviour has been shocking. Some of the Lib Dem names you've chucked in are small fry for some of the shameless antics of some Conservative or Labour MPs though. And pushing the latest one, when we have zero facts yet, all does smack harshly of spin if you don't mind me saying. Is it too much to ask that the good people of Eastleigh aren't bombarded with a tidal wave of spin? Politics should be decided by policy not spin. Spin is what the Tories do to get in power, and once in power it's happy days tax breaks for the fat cats who got them that spin. Labour do the same of course. Tony Blair was the original black belt master of spin. The good people of Eastleigh usually see through that sleazy spin, but I've got to say, the forces are certainly massed against them. So please therefore, have a heart, give them a break and relent with your spin. Jack Herer
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9:20pm Mon 25 Feb 13

LancashireLad says...

userds5050 wrote:
Huffter wrote:
One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country.
There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.
It is a barometer of how folk will vote at the next general election though. If the Tories cannot claim Eastleigh they are in serious trouble.
If the tories or the Liberals cannot win at Eastleigh then they will BOTH be in serious trouble at the next general election in 2015. and the county council elections this coming May and the European elections in 2014...its about time they had a wake up call for their arrogance and recent political correctness by forcing gay marriage on the nation and many other mad cap liberal ideas.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country. There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.[/p][/quote]It is a barometer of how folk will vote at the next general election though. If the Tories cannot claim Eastleigh they are in serious trouble.[/p][/quote]If the tories or the Liberals cannot win at Eastleigh then they will BOTH be in serious trouble at the next general election in 2015. and the county council elections this coming May and the European elections in 2014...its about time they had a wake up call for their arrogance and recent political correctness by forcing gay marriage on the nation and many other mad cap liberal ideas. LancashireLad
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9:29pm Mon 25 Feb 13

colorado kid says...

Jack Herer wrote:
colorado kid wrote:
Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.
Let's be honest, Labour and the Tories have far more.

There is no denying that there has been a shameless thread of rottenness weaving through all Westminster - where neither red, blue or yellow were immune. Some of the behaviour has been shocking.

Some of the Lib Dem names you've chucked in are small fry for some of the shameless antics of some Conservative or Labour MPs though.

And pushing the latest one, when we have zero facts yet, all does smack harshly of spin if you don't mind me saying.

Is it too much to ask that the good people of Eastleigh aren't bombarded with a tidal wave of spin? Politics should be decided by policy not spin.

Spin is what the Tories do to get in power, and once in power it's happy days tax breaks for the fat cats who got them that spin. Labour do the same of course. Tony Blair was the original black belt master of spin.

The good people of Eastleigh usually see through that sleazy spin, but I've got to say, the forces are certainly massed against them.

So please therefore, have a heart, give them a break and relent with your spin.
But considering that the Lib Dems are a relatively small party with fewer MP's and lords ect.percentage wise their stack of unsavoury characters is much higher.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.[/p][/quote]Let's be honest, Labour and the Tories have far more. There is no denying that there has been a shameless thread of rottenness weaving through all Westminster - where neither red, blue or yellow were immune. Some of the behaviour has been shocking. Some of the Lib Dem names you've chucked in are small fry for some of the shameless antics of some Conservative or Labour MPs though. And pushing the latest one, when we have zero facts yet, all does smack harshly of spin if you don't mind me saying. Is it too much to ask that the good people of Eastleigh aren't bombarded with a tidal wave of spin? Politics should be decided by policy not spin. Spin is what the Tories do to get in power, and once in power it's happy days tax breaks for the fat cats who got them that spin. Labour do the same of course. Tony Blair was the original black belt master of spin. The good people of Eastleigh usually see through that sleazy spin, but I've got to say, the forces are certainly massed against them. So please therefore, have a heart, give them a break and relent with your spin.[/p][/quote]But considering that the Lib Dems are a relatively small party with fewer MP's and lords ect.percentage wise their stack of unsavoury characters is much higher. colorado kid
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10:17pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Jack Herer says...

colorado kid wrote:
Jack Herer wrote:
colorado kid wrote:
Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.
Let's be honest, Labour and the Tories have far more.

There is no denying that there has been a shameless thread of rottenness weaving through all Westminster - where neither red, blue or yellow were immune. Some of the behaviour has been shocking.

Some of the Lib Dem names you've chucked in are small fry for some of the shameless antics of some Conservative or Labour MPs though.

And pushing the latest one, when we have zero facts yet, all does smack harshly of spin if you don't mind me saying.

Is it too much to ask that the good people of Eastleigh aren't bombarded with a tidal wave of spin? Politics should be decided by policy not spin.

Spin is what the Tories do to get in power, and once in power it's happy days tax breaks for the fat cats who got them that spin. Labour do the same of course. Tony Blair was the original black belt master of spin.

The good people of Eastleigh usually see through that sleazy spin, but I've got to say, the forces are certainly massed against them.

So please therefore, have a heart, give them a break and relent with your spin.
But considering that the Lib Dems are a relatively small party with fewer MP's and lords ect.percentage wise their stack of unsavoury characters is much higher.
You surely can't ever have done the stats - pound for pound, size for size - could you? How do you factor in everything? What weights to you give to each misdemeanour? I mean what do you give for punching someone in the commons bar for instance, as compared with house swapping, or claiming for a duck house in their pond when they shouldn't really? The number combinations must be mind blowing.

I'm clearly getting dragged into your world. Look, surely you don't want to do a Top Trumps of Westminster sleeze or something. It would be weird. It would make no difference or sense to the good people of Eastleigh. It would just be a slanging match with unsavoury stats, and the only outcome would be the whole electorate turned off by politics completely.

It's smear politics that's all, and it doesn't really help Eastleigh nor the country.
[quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.[/p][/quote]Let's be honest, Labour and the Tories have far more. There is no denying that there has been a shameless thread of rottenness weaving through all Westminster - where neither red, blue or yellow were immune. Some of the behaviour has been shocking. Some of the Lib Dem names you've chucked in are small fry for some of the shameless antics of some Conservative or Labour MPs though. And pushing the latest one, when we have zero facts yet, all does smack harshly of spin if you don't mind me saying. Is it too much to ask that the good people of Eastleigh aren't bombarded with a tidal wave of spin? Politics should be decided by policy not spin. Spin is what the Tories do to get in power, and once in power it's happy days tax breaks for the fat cats who got them that spin. Labour do the same of course. Tony Blair was the original black belt master of spin. The good people of Eastleigh usually see through that sleazy spin, but I've got to say, the forces are certainly massed against them. So please therefore, have a heart, give them a break and relent with your spin.[/p][/quote]But considering that the Lib Dems are a relatively small party with fewer MP's and lords ect.percentage wise their stack of unsavoury characters is much higher.[/p][/quote]You surely can't ever have done the stats - pound for pound, size for size - could you? How do you factor in everything? What weights to you give to each misdemeanour? I mean what do you give for punching someone in the commons bar for instance, as compared with house swapping, or claiming for a duck house in their pond when they shouldn't really? The number combinations must be mind blowing. I'm clearly getting dragged into your world. Look, surely you don't want to do a Top Trumps of Westminster sleeze or something. It would be weird. It would make no difference or sense to the good people of Eastleigh. It would just be a slanging match with unsavoury stats, and the only outcome would be the whole electorate turned off by politics completely. It's smear politics that's all, and it doesn't really help Eastleigh nor the country. Jack Herer
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10:42pm Mon 25 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

The accusation that the red tories are responsible for the economy is laughable. It's a WORLDWIDE situation brought about by GLOBAL unregulated freemarket thinking.

There are plenty of sticks to legitimately beat them with, but that one's made of cobblers.
The accusation that the red tories are responsible for the economy is laughable. It's a WORLDWIDE situation brought about by GLOBAL unregulated freemarket thinking. There are plenty of sticks to legitimately beat them with, but that one's made of cobblers. cantthinkofone
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10:49pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Stephen Hayes says...

I noted that two of the fringe candidates (Elvis Loves Pets and Monster Ravng Loony) wanted to honour Benny Hill, one by erecting (a word Bennuy Hill would have tittered at) a statue and the other by renaming the airport..

Does anyone else think that Lib Dem Lord Rennard looks a bit like the deceased not very funny comedian who specialised in smutty sexual innuendo?

The joke will be on us if we waste this opportunity to send a message to the unrepresentative nabobs and placemen in Westminster by electing Diane James.
I noted that two of the fringe candidates (Elvis Loves Pets and Monster Ravng Loony) wanted to honour Benny Hill, one by erecting (a word Bennuy Hill would have tittered at) a statue and the other by renaming the airport.. Does anyone else think that Lib Dem Lord Rennard looks a bit like the deceased not very funny comedian who specialised in smutty sexual innuendo? The joke will be on us if we waste this opportunity to send a message to the unrepresentative nabobs and placemen in Westminster by electing Diane James. Stephen Hayes
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10:53pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Stephen Hayes says...

Huffter wrote:
One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country.
There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.
It will make a difference if its Diane James. Just as Brighton made a difference by electing one Green MP. Anything else will just be more of the same.
[quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country. There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.[/p][/quote]It will make a difference if its Diane James. Just as Brighton made a difference by electing one Green MP. Anything else will just be more of the same. Stephen Hayes
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11:05pm Mon 25 Feb 13

colorado kid says...

Jack Herer wrote:
colorado kid wrote:
Jack Herer wrote:
colorado kid wrote:
Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.
Let's be honest, Labour and the Tories have far more.

There is no denying that there has been a shameless thread of rottenness weaving through all Westminster - where neither red, blue or yellow were immune. Some of the behaviour has been shocking.

Some of the Lib Dem names you've chucked in are small fry for some of the shameless antics of some Conservative or Labour MPs though.

And pushing the latest one, when we have zero facts yet, all does smack harshly of spin if you don't mind me saying.

Is it too much to ask that the good people of Eastleigh aren't bombarded with a tidal wave of spin? Politics should be decided by policy not spin.

Spin is what the Tories do to get in power, and once in power it's happy days tax breaks for the fat cats who got them that spin. Labour do the same of course. Tony Blair was the original black belt master of spin.

The good people of Eastleigh usually see through that sleazy spin, but I've got to say, the forces are certainly massed against them.

So please therefore, have a heart, give them a break and relent with your spin.
But considering that the Lib Dems are a relatively small party with fewer MP's and lords ect.percentage wise their stack of unsavoury characters is much higher.
You surely can't ever have done the stats - pound for pound, size for size - could you? How do you factor in everything? What weights to you give to each misdemeanour? I mean what do you give for punching someone in the commons bar for instance, as compared with house swapping, or claiming for a duck house in their pond when they shouldn't really? The number combinations must be mind blowing.

I'm clearly getting dragged into your world. Look, surely you don't want to do a Top Trumps of Westminster sleeze or something. It would be weird. It would make no difference or sense to the good people of Eastleigh. It would just be a slanging match with unsavoury stats, and the only outcome would be the whole electorate turned off by politics completely.

It's smear politics that's all, and it doesn't really help Eastleigh nor the country.
Thank you for your calm comments,however I would say crimes against vulnerable people are the worst.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.[/p][/quote]Let's be honest, Labour and the Tories have far more. There is no denying that there has been a shameless thread of rottenness weaving through all Westminster - where neither red, blue or yellow were immune. Some of the behaviour has been shocking. Some of the Lib Dem names you've chucked in are small fry for some of the shameless antics of some Conservative or Labour MPs though. And pushing the latest one, when we have zero facts yet, all does smack harshly of spin if you don't mind me saying. Is it too much to ask that the good people of Eastleigh aren't bombarded with a tidal wave of spin? Politics should be decided by policy not spin. Spin is what the Tories do to get in power, and once in power it's happy days tax breaks for the fat cats who got them that spin. Labour do the same of course. Tony Blair was the original black belt master of spin. The good people of Eastleigh usually see through that sleazy spin, but I've got to say, the forces are certainly massed against them. So please therefore, have a heart, give them a break and relent with your spin.[/p][/quote]But considering that the Lib Dems are a relatively small party with fewer MP's and lords ect.percentage wise their stack of unsavoury characters is much higher.[/p][/quote]You surely can't ever have done the stats - pound for pound, size for size - could you? How do you factor in everything? What weights to you give to each misdemeanour? I mean what do you give for punching someone in the commons bar for instance, as compared with house swapping, or claiming for a duck house in their pond when they shouldn't really? The number combinations must be mind blowing. I'm clearly getting dragged into your world. Look, surely you don't want to do a Top Trumps of Westminster sleeze or something. It would be weird. It would make no difference or sense to the good people of Eastleigh. It would just be a slanging match with unsavoury stats, and the only outcome would be the whole electorate turned off by politics completely. It's smear politics that's all, and it doesn't really help Eastleigh nor the country.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your calm comments,however I would say crimes against vulnerable people are the worst. colorado kid
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5:28am Tue 26 Feb 13

SmallGovBigPeople says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Whoever the electorate of Eastleigh vote make sure you dont vote for Tories, Lib Dems or UKIP.
.
Voting for either of them is a vote for the failure of the past 2.5 years
14 Years of socialist Labour!
LABOUR came to power in 1998 promising 'world class' public services. We were going to have a 'world class' transport system, 'world class' education, 'world-class 'hospitals, 'world class' sports facilities - 'world class', absolutely bloody everything.
Britain did used to have a world-class education system, a world-class national health service, a world-class transport infrastructure. We led the world in manufacturing and engineering.

After 14 years of socialism (Labour), Britain leads the world in abortion, teenage pregnancy, family breakdown, burglary, spy cameras, speed cameras, parking fines, wheel-clamping, dustbin fines, green taxes, fuel taxes, stealth taxes, superbugs, binge-drinking, drug-taking, stabbing and social disorder.

We may not have much engineering or manufacturing, but we can boast the planet's highest concentration of public sector inspectors, equality monitors, risk assessors, transgender advisers, climate change warriors, outreach co-ordinators, diversity managers, streetscene officers, traffic wardens, elf 'n' safety enforcers, five-a-day and recycling fascists, and yuman -rites lawyers.

Absolutely World-class.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Whoever the electorate of Eastleigh vote make sure you dont vote for Tories, Lib Dems or UKIP. . Voting for either of them is a vote for the failure of the past 2.5 years[/p][/quote]14 Years of socialist Labour! LABOUR came to power in 1998 promising 'world class' public services. We were going to have a 'world class' transport system, 'world class' education, 'world-class 'hospitals, 'world class' sports facilities - 'world class', absolutely bloody everything. Britain did used to have a world-class education system, a world-class national health service, a world-class transport infrastructure. We led the world in manufacturing and engineering. After 14 years of socialism (Labour), Britain leads the world in abortion, teenage pregnancy, family breakdown, burglary, spy cameras, speed cameras, parking fines, wheel-clamping, dustbin fines, green taxes, fuel taxes, stealth taxes, superbugs, binge-drinking, drug-taking, stabbing and social disorder. We may not have much engineering or manufacturing, but we can boast the planet's highest concentration of public sector inspectors, equality monitors, risk assessors, transgender advisers, climate change warriors, outreach co-ordinators, diversity managers, streetscene officers, traffic wardens, elf 'n' safety enforcers, five-a-day and recycling fascists, and yuman -rites lawyers. Absolutely World-class. SmallGovBigPeople
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5:32am Tue 26 Feb 13

SmallGovBigPeople says...

Believe me, there is a sea change in the air, and it's becoming an unstoppable avalanche.

You can tell when something has the political elite worried. They suddenly start playing it down as disenchanted voters showing their resentment. One socialist reporter tried to explain UKIP as more a frame of mind than a political party then went on to type a full page why this is so clear.

I'll tell you what is clear. There are very powerful British people who hate this country. They hate its history, its culture, the past society and its values. They (along with the financial support of the EU) want to change it into a vassal of the EU and they will destroy anything that will stop them in their quest.

These socialist suggest that there is no life outside the EU. Well Norway is prosperous, and free. Its fisheries and industry have not been wrecked as ours have. It is a real nation which controls its own destiny. Its gross domestic product shames the rest of the EU's puppet states including the country once known as Great Britain.

WE have one political party in this country. It's the LibConLabSocialist party and its destroying Britain.

Dont be fooled by those Blue & Yellow Conservative banners flicking on every local newspaper website asking those stupid questions that they hope will fool you into beliving that they will do somthing about them. They wont, They cant and they dont realy want to. The LibConLabSocialist party will never give you a IN/OUT vote on europe becaus their political unelected masters would never allow it to happen unless it be rigged or vastes amounts of EU taxpayers money spent making sure you vote YES.

The sovereignty of this nation belongs to its people. It is the people and they alone who must decide who runs it, after a full debate and a public vote, whether Britain should remain an independent nation or whether her future will be better served as part of a new country - the single European super-state, also known as a raper of democracy.

My Czech wife once said the EU bull reminds her of those early Soviet propaganda films before the people of the United Socialist Soviet Republic realised they were in a very large prison.
Believe me, there is a sea change in the air, and it's becoming an unstoppable avalanche. You can tell when something has the political elite worried. They suddenly start playing it down as disenchanted voters showing their resentment. One socialist reporter tried to explain UKIP as more a frame of mind than a political party then went on to type a full page why this is so clear. I'll tell you what is clear. There are very powerful British people who hate this country. They hate its history, its culture, the past society and its values. They (along with the financial support of the EU) want to change it into a vassal of the EU and they will destroy anything that will stop them in their quest. These socialist suggest that there is no life outside the EU. Well Norway is prosperous, and free. Its fisheries and industry have not been wrecked as ours have. It is a real nation which controls its own destiny. Its gross domestic product shames the rest of the EU's puppet states including the country once known as Great Britain. WE have one political party in this country. It's the LibConLabSocialist party and its destroying Britain. Dont be fooled by those Blue & Yellow Conservative banners flicking on every local newspaper website asking those stupid questions that they hope will fool you into beliving that they will do somthing about them. They wont, They cant and they dont realy want to. The LibConLabSocialist party will never give you a IN/OUT vote on europe becaus their political unelected masters would never allow it to happen unless it be rigged or vastes amounts of EU taxpayers money spent making sure you vote YES. The sovereignty of this nation belongs to its people. It is the people and they alone who must decide who runs it, after a full debate and a public vote, whether Britain should remain an independent nation or whether her future will be better served as part of a new country - the single European super-state, also known as a raper of democracy. My Czech wife once said the EU bull reminds her of those early Soviet propaganda films before the people of the United Socialist Soviet Republic realised they were in a very large prison. SmallGovBigPeople
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8:03am Tue 26 Feb 13

angelleb says...

Housing costs have only 2 main factors - SUPPLY and DEMAND.

SUPPLY of rental accommodation and the number of people looking for rental accommodation (DEMAND). The supply of rental housing is nothing the government can really do anything about as its too far in debt to build houses.

But when the population increases by 5 million purely from legal and illegal immigration then the demand outstrips supply which is why we have the unbelievable situation of rising house prices as well as rising rental prices during a recession/depression - this is UNPRECEDENTED.

How can you have property prices going up during a double/triple dip recession? Well because the bottom of the property ladder is being held up by property investors who can see the good returns from renting out cheap houses to people on low incomes.

The only way to stop rising rent prices is to hold back UNCONTROLLED MASS immigration and allow housing numbers to catch up through private house building until such a time as there are houses for immigrants to move into.

At the moment there are too many immigrants taking cash in hand jobs for less than the minimum wage and they make it work by living 10 to house. Do you think this is a good way for people in country to be living?

While it is true that Margaret Thatcher shouldn't have started the sell off of council houses, even the stock of council housing in the 80s couldn't have housed a fraction of the demand for social housing at the moment.

While we are in the EU we can't control our borders, lets put a stop to MASS immigration until we have caught up on housing who is already here and also provided the necessary health care and schools for them.

Vote UKIP
Housing costs have only 2 main factors - SUPPLY and DEMAND. SUPPLY of rental accommodation and the number of people looking for rental accommodation (DEMAND). The supply of rental housing is nothing the government can really do anything about as its too far in debt to build houses. But when the population increases by 5 million purely from legal and illegal immigration then the demand outstrips supply which is why we have the unbelievable situation of rising house prices as well as rising rental prices during a recession/depression - this is UNPRECEDENTED. How can you have property prices going up during a double/triple dip recession? Well because the bottom of the property ladder is being held up by property investors who can see the good returns from renting out cheap houses to people on low incomes. The only way to stop rising rent prices is to hold back UNCONTROLLED MASS immigration and allow housing numbers to catch up through private house building until such a time as there are houses for immigrants to move into. At the moment there are too many immigrants taking cash in hand jobs for less than the minimum wage and they make it work by living 10 to house. Do you think this is a good way for people in country to be living? While it is true that Margaret Thatcher shouldn't have started the sell off of council houses, even the stock of council housing in the 80s couldn't have housed a fraction of the demand for social housing at the moment. While we are in the EU we can't control our borders, lets put a stop to MASS immigration until we have caught up on housing who is already here and also provided the necessary health care and schools for them. Vote UKIP angelleb
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8:29am Tue 26 Feb 13

Lone Ranger. says...

SmallGovBigPeople wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Whoever the electorate of Eastleigh vote make sure you dont vote for Tories, Lib Dems or UKIP.
.
Voting for either of them is a vote for the failure of the past 2.5 years
14 Years of socialist Labour!
LABOUR came to power in 1998 promising 'world class' public services. We were going to have a 'world class' transport system, 'world class' education, 'world-class 'hospitals, 'world class' sports facilities - 'world class', absolutely bloody everything.
Britain did used to have a world-class education system, a world-class national health service, a world-class transport infrastructure. We led the world in manufacturing and engineering.

After 14 years of socialism (Labour), Britain leads the world in abortion, teenage pregnancy, family breakdown, burglary, spy cameras, speed cameras, parking fines, wheel-clamping, dustbin fines, green taxes, fuel taxes, stealth taxes, superbugs, binge-drinking, drug-taking, stabbing and social disorder.

We may not have much engineering or manufacturing, but we can boast the planet's highest concentration of public sector inspectors, equality monitors, risk assessors, transgender advisers, climate change warriors, outreach co-ordinators, diversity managers, streetscene officers, traffic wardens, elf 'n' safety enforcers, five-a-day and recycling fascists, and yuman -rites lawyers.

Absolutely World-class.
Well that was a good old rant.
.
Wonder if you will be as chirpy on Friday
[quote][p][bold]SmallGovBigPeople[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Whoever the electorate of Eastleigh vote make sure you dont vote for Tories, Lib Dems or UKIP. . Voting for either of them is a vote for the failure of the past 2.5 years[/p][/quote]14 Years of socialist Labour! LABOUR came to power in 1998 promising 'world class' public services. We were going to have a 'world class' transport system, 'world class' education, 'world-class 'hospitals, 'world class' sports facilities - 'world class', absolutely bloody everything. Britain did used to have a world-class education system, a world-class national health service, a world-class transport infrastructure. We led the world in manufacturing and engineering. After 14 years of socialism (Labour), Britain leads the world in abortion, teenage pregnancy, family breakdown, burglary, spy cameras, speed cameras, parking fines, wheel-clamping, dustbin fines, green taxes, fuel taxes, stealth taxes, superbugs, binge-drinking, drug-taking, stabbing and social disorder. We may not have much engineering or manufacturing, but we can boast the planet's highest concentration of public sector inspectors, equality monitors, risk assessors, transgender advisers, climate change warriors, outreach co-ordinators, diversity managers, streetscene officers, traffic wardens, elf 'n' safety enforcers, five-a-day and recycling fascists, and yuman -rites lawyers. Absolutely World-class.[/p][/quote]Well that was a good old rant. . Wonder if you will be as chirpy on Friday Lone Ranger.
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8:47am Tue 26 Feb 13

Ben Durutti says...

LancashireLad wrote:
The Times poll today shows UK Independence Party on 25% just one point behind The Conservative Candidate...could the voters of Eastleigh voters make history by having the first UKIP MP Diane James reresenting them in Parliament. What a wake up call this would be for this Liberal led PC Coalition Government.
It really would be a wake-up call come Friday morning if the Eastleigh electorate have voted in an MP for a party that have bedfellows in the French fascists of the Front National...
[quote][p][bold]LancashireLad[/bold] wrote: The Times poll today shows UK Independence Party on 25% just one point behind The Conservative Candidate...could the voters of Eastleigh voters make history by having the first UKIP MP Diane James reresenting them in Parliament. What a wake up call this would be for this Liberal led PC Coalition Government.[/p][/quote]It really would be a wake-up call come Friday morning if the Eastleigh electorate have voted in an MP for a party that have bedfellows in the French fascists of the Front National... Ben Durutti
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8:52am Tue 26 Feb 13

Pikey-Biker says...

SmallGovBigPeople wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote: Whoever the electorate of Eastleigh vote make sure you dont vote for Tories, Lib Dems or UKIP. . Voting for either of them is a vote for the failure of the past 2.5 years
14 Years of socialist Labour! LABOUR came to power in 1998 promising 'world class' public services. We were going to have a 'world class' transport system, 'world class' education, 'world-class 'hospitals, 'world class' sports facilities - 'world class', absolutely bloody everything. Britain did used to have a world-class education system, a world-class national health service, a world-class transport infrastructure. We led the world in manufacturing and engineering. After 14 years of socialism (Labour), Britain leads the world in abortion, teenage pregnancy, family breakdown, burglary, spy cameras, speed cameras, parking fines, wheel-clamping, dustbin fines, green taxes, fuel taxes, stealth taxes, superbugs, binge-drinking, drug-taking, stabbing and social disorder. We may not have much engineering or manufacturing, but we can boast the planet's highest concentration of public sector inspectors, equality monitors, risk assessors, transgender advisers, climate change warriors, outreach co-ordinators, diversity managers, streetscene officers, traffic wardens, elf 'n' safety enforcers, five-a-day and recycling fascists, and yuman -rites lawyers. Absolutely World-class.
13 years dear boy, and they came to power in 1997.
[quote][p][bold]SmallGovBigPeople[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Whoever the electorate of Eastleigh vote make sure you dont vote for Tories, Lib Dems or UKIP. . Voting for either of them is a vote for the failure of the past 2.5 years[/p][/quote]14 Years of socialist Labour! LABOUR came to power in 1998 promising 'world class' public services. We were going to have a 'world class' transport system, 'world class' education, 'world-class 'hospitals, 'world class' sports facilities - 'world class', absolutely bloody everything. Britain did used to have a world-class education system, a world-class national health service, a world-class transport infrastructure. We led the world in manufacturing and engineering. After 14 years of socialism (Labour), Britain leads the world in abortion, teenage pregnancy, family breakdown, burglary, spy cameras, speed cameras, parking fines, wheel-clamping, dustbin fines, green taxes, fuel taxes, stealth taxes, superbugs, binge-drinking, drug-taking, stabbing and social disorder. We may not have much engineering or manufacturing, but we can boast the planet's highest concentration of public sector inspectors, equality monitors, risk assessors, transgender advisers, climate change warriors, outreach co-ordinators, diversity managers, streetscene officers, traffic wardens, elf 'n' safety enforcers, five-a-day and recycling fascists, and yuman -rites lawyers. Absolutely World-class.[/p][/quote]13 years dear boy, and they came to power in 1997. Pikey-Biker
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9:03am Tue 26 Feb 13

aldermoorboy says...

Come on you Tories you can win this one.
Come on you Tories you can win this one. aldermoorboy
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9:45am Tue 26 Feb 13

behonest says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Come on you Tories you can win this one.
Only if we in Eastleigh are as stupid as the Tories think we are.

This Lib Dem 'scandal' of years ago, leaks out just a few days before the Eastleigh by-election. Hmmm, what a co-incidence!

Disgusting, cynical Tories, still treating everyone with contempt and as though we are all idiots. We're all too stupid to see through this latest Tory trick, aren't we?
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Come on you Tories you can win this one.[/p][/quote]Only if we in Eastleigh are as stupid as the Tories think we are. This Lib Dem 'scandal' of years ago, leaks out just a few days before the Eastleigh by-election. Hmmm, what a co-incidence! Disgusting, cynical Tories, still treating everyone with contempt and as though we are all idiots. We're all too stupid to see through this latest Tory trick, aren't we? behonest
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9:58am Tue 26 Feb 13

aldermoorboy says...

Tories are trying to clear up 13 years of Labour over spending and with Liberal help.
The Liberals called the by election not the Tories.
Well done to all who are standing, great for democracy.
Tories are trying to clear up 13 years of Labour over spending and with Liberal help. The Liberals called the by election not the Tories. Well done to all who are standing, great for democracy. aldermoorboy
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9:58am Tue 26 Feb 13

knittingnanna says...

None of them listen,if this by election is anything to go by.I asked for the phone calls to stop & put an A4 note on my door stating NO political phone calls,leaflets or callers THANK YOU ! & the Tories still managed to put a leaflet through,we sat & watched him slowly & quietly do it & when challenged he said he didn't read it 'til after he posted it !!! no way could he miss it,he only took it back "if I insist" then told me it had some "interesting info in it" I HAD a postal vote,it is now shredded !!!!!
None of them listen,if this by election is anything to go by.I asked for the phone calls to stop & put an A4 note on my door stating NO political phone calls,leaflets or callers THANK YOU ! & the Tories still managed to put a leaflet through,we sat & watched him slowly & quietly do it & when challenged he said he didn't read it 'til after he posted it !!! no way could he miss it,he only took it back "if I insist" then told me it had some "interesting info in it" I HAD a postal vote,it is now shredded !!!!! knittingnanna
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10:17am Tue 26 Feb 13

Lone Ranger. says...

behonest wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Come on you Tories you can win this one.
Only if we in Eastleigh are as stupid as the Tories think we are.

This Lib Dem 'scandal' of years ago, leaks out just a few days before the Eastleigh by-election. Hmmm, what a co-incidence!

Disgusting, cynical Tories, still treating everyone with contempt and as though we are all idiots. We're all too stupid to see through this latest Tory trick, aren't we?
Be honest .......... Did you ever expect anything different from them ??
[quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Come on you Tories you can win this one.[/p][/quote]Only if we in Eastleigh are as stupid as the Tories think we are. This Lib Dem 'scandal' of years ago, leaks out just a few days before the Eastleigh by-election. Hmmm, what a co-incidence! Disgusting, cynical Tories, still treating everyone with contempt and as though we are all idiots. We're all too stupid to see through this latest Tory trick, aren't we?[/p][/quote]Be honest .......... Did you ever expect anything different from them ?? Lone Ranger.
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11:01am Tue 26 Feb 13

ohec says...

I have no time for idiots that don't vote thousands have died to give us the privilege of living in a democracy, ok it might not be perfect but its the best system we have and i think voting should be a legal requirement, its the same with unions only the militants go to the meetings and then the rest complain about their decisions.
I would rather somebody vote for any party than not vote at all, many people say they are not going to vote because they are all the same and to some extent i understand that but the answer is to vote for change make your vote count. Our 3 main parties need a good kick up the backside because at the moment they totally ignore the electorate and do what they like and they need to be brought to heel, they are supposed to represent us the people instead all they are interested in doing is feathering their own nests.
Lets face it the whole reason we are having this election is because one multi millionaire thought he was above the law and told lie after lie and now his party leader is doing the same, the people of Eastleigh indeed the people of this country deserve better than the thieving / lying hypocrites we have now.
I have no time for idiots that don't vote thousands have died to give us the privilege of living in a democracy, ok it might not be perfect but its the best system we have and i think voting should be a legal requirement, its the same with unions only the militants go to the meetings and then the rest complain about their decisions. I would rather somebody vote for any party than not vote at all, many people say they are not going to vote because they are all the same and to some extent i understand that but the answer is to vote for change make your vote count. Our 3 main parties need a good kick up the backside because at the moment they totally ignore the electorate and do what they like and they need to be brought to heel, they are supposed to represent us the people instead all they are interested in doing is feathering their own nests. Lets face it the whole reason we are having this election is because one multi millionaire thought he was above the law and told lie after lie and now his party leader is doing the same, the people of Eastleigh indeed the people of this country deserve better than the thieving / lying hypocrites we have now. ohec
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11:06am Tue 26 Feb 13

simmo707 says...

BROKEN BRITAIN UNDER TORIES – TRUTH EXEMPTION TAX – POLITICIANS WOULD BE BANKRUPT
If a Tax was introduced not on earnings but on how honest people were the majority of the Public would be Tax exempt whereas Politicians would become Bankrupt .What a cheerful scenario to envisage the Blair/Campbell combination living rough ,Blair busking on his guitar and Campbell on all fours begging .Cameron who knitted a Policy cap to fit us all marking us as Poverty Stricken would find himself as doorman of the Bullingdon Club doffing his cap to those Tax Evaders he used to mix with .Clegg and Miliband would probably end up as grave robbers as their moral values went AWOL years ago .The Criminal Elite would cease to dictate to normal Law abiding citizens .If only Justice prevailed .www.brokenbritainun
dertories.com
BROKEN BRITAIN UNDER TORIES – TRUTH EXEMPTION TAX – POLITICIANS WOULD BE BANKRUPT If a Tax was introduced not on earnings but on how honest people were the majority of the Public would be Tax exempt whereas Politicians would become Bankrupt .What a cheerful scenario to envisage the Blair/Campbell combination living rough ,Blair busking on his guitar and Campbell on all fours begging .Cameron who knitted a Policy cap to fit us all marking us as Poverty Stricken would find himself as doorman of the Bullingdon Club doffing his cap to those Tax Evaders he used to mix with .Clegg and Miliband would probably end up as grave robbers as their moral values went AWOL years ago .The Criminal Elite would cease to dictate to normal Law abiding citizens .If only Justice prevailed .www.brokenbritainun dertories.com simmo707
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11:39am Tue 26 Feb 13

aldermoorboy says...

Good news Paramjit, although Tesco is closing a depot losing 800 jobs, it is also opening two others creating 2000 jobs.
Good news Paramjit, although Tesco is closing a depot losing 800 jobs, it is also opening two others creating 2000 jobs. aldermoorboy
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11:57am Tue 26 Feb 13

Pikey-Biker says...

SmallGovBigPeople wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote: Whoever the electorate of Eastleigh vote make sure you dont vote for Tories, Lib Dems or UKIP. . Voting for either of them is a vote for the failure of the past 2.5 years
14 Years of socialist Labour! LABOUR came to power in 1998 promising 'world class' public services. We were going to have a 'world class' transport system, 'world class' education, 'world-class 'hospitals, 'world class' sports facilities - 'world class', absolutely bloody everything. Britain did used to have a world-class education system, a world-class national health service, a world-class transport infrastructure. We led the world in manufacturing and engineering. After 14 years of socialism (Labour), Britain leads the world in abortion, teenage pregnancy, family breakdown, burglary, spy cameras, speed cameras, parking fines, wheel-clamping, dustbin fines, green taxes, fuel taxes, stealth taxes, superbugs, binge-drinking, drug-taking, stabbing and social disorder. We may not have much engineering or manufacturing, but we can boast the planet's highest concentration of public sector inspectors, equality monitors, risk assessors, transgender advisers, climate change warriors, outreach co-ordinators, diversity managers, streetscene officers, traffic wardens, elf 'n' safety enforcers, five-a-day and recycling fascists, and yuman -rites lawyers. Absolutely World-class.
If you are going to list items as fact please make sure they are correct
[quote][p][bold]SmallGovBigPeople[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Whoever the electorate of Eastleigh vote make sure you dont vote for Tories, Lib Dems or UKIP. . Voting for either of them is a vote for the failure of the past 2.5 years[/p][/quote]14 Years of socialist Labour! LABOUR came to power in 1998 promising 'world class' public services. We were going to have a 'world class' transport system, 'world class' education, 'world-class 'hospitals, 'world class' sports facilities - 'world class', absolutely bloody everything. Britain did used to have a world-class education system, a world-class national health service, a world-class transport infrastructure. We led the world in manufacturing and engineering. After 14 years of socialism (Labour), Britain leads the world in abortion, teenage pregnancy, family breakdown, burglary, spy cameras, speed cameras, parking fines, wheel-clamping, dustbin fines, green taxes, fuel taxes, stealth taxes, superbugs, binge-drinking, drug-taking, stabbing and social disorder. We may not have much engineering or manufacturing, but we can boast the planet's highest concentration of public sector inspectors, equality monitors, risk assessors, transgender advisers, climate change warriors, outreach co-ordinators, diversity managers, streetscene officers, traffic wardens, elf 'n' safety enforcers, five-a-day and recycling fascists, and yuman -rites lawyers. Absolutely World-class.[/p][/quote]If you are going to list items as fact please make sure they are correct Pikey-Biker
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12:28pm Tue 26 Feb 13

peasant says...

Just stop voting for the LibLabCon merchants and we might actually get some real change - something we keep being promised before those we vote for jump on the Westminster gravy train and disappear into the sunset, never to be seen or heard of in their constituencies again!!

You never know, we may even get some MPs who listen to their constituents instead of the mega rich government lobbyist parasites!
Just stop voting for the LibLabCon merchants and we might actually get some real change - something we keep being promised before those we vote for jump on the Westminster gravy train and disappear into the sunset, never to be seen or heard of in their constituencies again!! You never know, we may even get some MPs who listen to their constituents instead of the mega rich government lobbyist parasites! peasant
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12:46pm Tue 26 Feb 13

mariahutch says...

eastleigh, you have a chance to stick it to all the parties. the con dems will be booted out in 2015, so take this chance to tell them all, that you have had enough. vote for either the monster raving loony party, or the national health party, and stick two fingers up to the corrupt elites who are running our country into the ground.

wake up eastleigh....fight back.
eastleigh, you have a chance to stick it to all the parties. the con dems will be booted out in 2015, so take this chance to tell them all, that you have had enough. vote for either the monster raving loony party, or the national health party, and stick two fingers up to the corrupt elites who are running our country into the ground. wake up eastleigh....fight back. mariahutch
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12:55pm Tue 26 Feb 13

SmallGovBigPeople says...

"Insanity: doing the same thing, over and over again and expecting different results"
Albert Einstein

There are over 400 registered political parties in Britain and yes some are looney and some are just plain nasty. However that still leaves an awful lot of people who are trying very hard to change this country for the better as they see it. I have never understood why it is that the British electorate continues to vote for the same parties no matter how big a failure or how bad that party has been for them. I can understand the socialist (head in the sand) habit of ignoring the truth but not the rest.
Hear we stand in 2013 knowing full well that the LibConLabSocialist party will never change. It is so tied in the doctrine of big government and small people helped along by the EU gravy train that it threw away the hand brake years ago.
Do the people really think that to be a MP requires a law degree or years being spoon-fed skills on how to look good on question time.

Anybody can represent there country... anybody and why not? Do you really thing any MP today is better qualified than you or I. You DONT have to be affiliated to a mainstream party. You don't have to have a perfect past.
What puts people off standing to be an MP is the fact that the British electorate seem hell bent on following the same old bull that spews out of the mouths of the LibConLabSocialist.

All it will take to revolutionise the face of British politics is for the people to vote for somebody else.
"Insanity: doing the same thing, over and over again and expecting different results" Albert Einstein There are over 400 registered political parties in Britain and yes some are looney and some are just plain nasty. However that still leaves an awful lot of people who are trying very hard to change this country for the better as they see it. I have never understood why it is that the British electorate continues to vote for the same parties no matter how big a failure or how bad that party has been for them. I can understand the socialist (head in the sand) habit of ignoring the truth but not the rest. Hear we stand in 2013 knowing full well that the LibConLabSocialist party will never change. It is so tied in the doctrine of big government and small people helped along by the EU gravy train that it threw away the hand brake years ago. Do the people really think that to be a MP requires a law degree or years being spoon-fed skills on how to look good on question time. Anybody can represent there country... anybody and why not? Do you really thing any MP today is better qualified than you or I. You DONT have to be affiliated to a mainstream party. You don't have to have a perfect past. What puts people off standing to be an MP is the fact that the British electorate seem hell bent on following the same old bull that spews out of the mouths of the LibConLabSocialist. All it will take to revolutionise the face of British politics is for the people to vote for somebody else. SmallGovBigPeople
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12:58pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Subject48 says...

There is only one way I see to restore democracy and some sort of order to the stagnant sick government. It to elect independendant, unaffiliated individual members.

This ensures no "tribe" bullcrap when legislation is made and decisions are made for the good of the general public and not to fit the "party" or "the Tribe" agenda.

Alternatively install set of rules ensuring politicians are accountable for their negligent actions after their term of office ends.


Vote independant. Dont buy into the status quo.
There is only one way I see to restore democracy and some sort of order to the stagnant sick government. It to elect independendant, unaffiliated individual members. This ensures no "tribe" bullcrap when legislation is made and decisions are made for the good of the general public and not to fit the "party" or "the Tribe" agenda. Alternatively install set of rules ensuring politicians are accountable for their negligent actions after their term of office ends. Vote independant. Dont buy into the status quo. Subject48
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12:59pm Tue 26 Feb 13

southy says...

Huffter wrote:
One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country.
There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.
Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year.
If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election.
If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election
[quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country. There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.[/p][/quote]Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year. If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election. If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election southy
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1:04pm Tue 26 Feb 13

southy says...

SmallGovBigPeople wrote:
"Insanity: doing the same thing, over and over again and expecting different results"
Albert Einstein

There are over 400 registered political parties in Britain and yes some are looney and some are just plain nasty. However that still leaves an awful lot of people who are trying very hard to change this country for the better as they see it. I have never understood why it is that the British electorate continues to vote for the same parties no matter how big a failure or how bad that party has been for them. I can understand the socialist (head in the sand) habit of ignoring the truth but not the rest.
Hear we stand in 2013 knowing full well that the LibConLabSocialist party will never change. It is so tied in the doctrine of big government and small people helped along by the EU gravy train that it threw away the hand brake years ago.
Do the people really think that to be a MP requires a law degree or years being spoon-fed skills on how to look good on question time.

Anybody can represent there country... anybody and why not? Do you really thing any MP today is better qualified than you or I. You DONT have to be affiliated to a mainstream party. You don't have to have a perfect past.
What puts people off standing to be an MP is the fact that the British electorate seem hell bent on following the same old bull that spews out of the mouths of the LibConLabSocialist.

All it will take to revolutionise the face of British politics is for the people to vote for somebody else.
Not a bad post but small error. its LibConLabCapitalist.


This country has all ways had a majority of Capitalism Economics and Political Policy, even back in the late 1940's and 50's, Capitalism was the major part of politics.
[quote][p][bold]SmallGovBigPeople[/bold] wrote: "Insanity: doing the same thing, over and over again and expecting different results" Albert Einstein There are over 400 registered political parties in Britain and yes some are looney and some are just plain nasty. However that still leaves an awful lot of people who are trying very hard to change this country for the better as they see it. I have never understood why it is that the British electorate continues to vote for the same parties no matter how big a failure or how bad that party has been for them. I can understand the socialist (head in the sand) habit of ignoring the truth but not the rest. Hear we stand in 2013 knowing full well that the LibConLabSocialist party will never change. It is so tied in the doctrine of big government and small people helped along by the EU gravy train that it threw away the hand brake years ago. Do the people really think that to be a MP requires a law degree or years being spoon-fed skills on how to look good on question time. Anybody can represent there country... anybody and why not? Do you really thing any MP today is better qualified than you or I. You DONT have to be affiliated to a mainstream party. You don't have to have a perfect past. What puts people off standing to be an MP is the fact that the British electorate seem hell bent on following the same old bull that spews out of the mouths of the LibConLabSocialist. All it will take to revolutionise the face of British politics is for the people to vote for somebody else.[/p][/quote]Not a bad post but small error. its LibConLabCapitalist. This country has all ways had a majority of Capitalism Economics and Political Policy, even back in the late 1940's and 50's, Capitalism was the major part of politics. southy
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1:15pm Tue 26 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Huffter wrote:
One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country.
There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.
Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year.
If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election.
If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election
.. absolute twaddle, yet again.

We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop.

You need to stop fantasising.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country. There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.[/p][/quote]Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year. If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election. If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election[/p][/quote].. absolute twaddle, yet again. We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop. You need to stop fantasising. freefinker
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1:29pm Tue 26 Feb 13

kingnotail says...

LancashireLad wrote:
Anyone who is foolish enough to vote for the London Islington political elite, other wise known as New Labour under 11 years of 'Father Tony's leadership or indeed the two years of Gordon's mess that followed, then you must have a very short memory of what these controlling politically correct champagne socialist did to our once great nation. One thing is for sure they are a million miles from the working class people of Eastleigh. Don't waste your vote by voting Labour vote for a party that has a chance of winning on Thursday; and causing the biggest upset in a Parliament in a by-election sice Shirley Wiilliams won at Crosby. Vote for Diane James.
Are you employed by the Daily Mail/Express?
[quote][p][bold]LancashireLad[/bold] wrote: Anyone who is foolish enough to vote for the London Islington political elite, other wise known as New Labour under 11 years of 'Father Tony's leadership or indeed the two years of Gordon's mess that followed, then you must have a very short memory of what these controlling politically correct champagne socialist did to our once great nation. One thing is for sure they are a million miles from the working class people of Eastleigh. Don't waste your vote by voting Labour vote for a party that has a chance of winning on Thursday; and causing the biggest upset in a Parliament in a by-election sice Shirley Wiilliams won at Crosby. Vote for Diane James.[/p][/quote]Are you employed by the Daily Mail/Express? kingnotail
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1:33pm Tue 26 Feb 13

kingnotail says...

colorado kid wrote:
Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.
I suggest you look up Easleigh's last Tory MP, Stephen Milligan if you want the epitome of political sleaze. Not excusing any of the Lib Dems you mentioned, but singling out Lib Dems is a little unfair.
[quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.[/p][/quote]I suggest you look up Easleigh's last Tory MP, Stephen Milligan if you want the epitome of political sleaze. Not excusing any of the Lib Dems you mentioned, but singling out Lib Dems is a little unfair. kingnotail
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1:33pm Tue 26 Feb 13

stay local says...

southy wrote:
Huffter wrote:
One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country.
There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.
Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year.
If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election.
If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election
Southy you have claimed that the Echo has shown political bias in its reporting by not allowing access to your candidate from the TUSC, as this is a very serious allegation I have reported it to the echo and I urge you to provide evidence.Otherwise we will be forced to believe that any comments from your self or the TUSC are lies. Remember you have made a serious allegation that if proven could mean a further bi election. You need to now prove your point.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country. There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.[/p][/quote]Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year. If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election. If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election[/p][/quote]Southy you have claimed that the Echo has shown political bias in its reporting by not allowing access to your candidate from the TUSC, as this is a very serious allegation I have reported it to the echo and I urge you to provide evidence.Otherwise we will be forced to believe that any comments from your self or the TUSC are lies. Remember you have made a serious allegation that if proven could mean a further bi election. You need to now prove your point. stay local
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1:43pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Pikey-Biker says...

southy wrote:
SmallGovBigPeople wrote: "Insanity: doing the same thing, over and over again and expecting different results" Albert Einstein There are over 400 registered political parties in Britain and yes some are looney and some are just plain nasty. However that still leaves an awful lot of people who are trying very hard to change this country for the better as they see it. I have never understood why it is that the British electorate continues to vote for the same parties no matter how big a failure or how bad that party has been for them. I can understand the socialist (head in the sand) habit of ignoring the truth but not the rest. Hear we stand in 2013 knowing full well that the LibConLabSocialist party will never change. It is so tied in the doctrine of big government and small people helped along by the EU gravy train that it threw away the hand brake years ago. Do the people really think that to be a MP requires a law degree or years being spoon-fed skills on how to look good on question time. Anybody can represent there country... anybody and why not? Do you really thing any MP today is better qualified than you or I. You DONT have to be affiliated to a mainstream party. You don't have to have a perfect past. What puts people off standing to be an MP is the fact that the British electorate seem hell bent on following the same old bull that spews out of the mouths of the LibConLabSocialist. All it will take to revolutionise the face of British politics is for the people to vote for somebody else.
Not a bad post but small error. its LibConLabCapitalist. This country has all ways had a majority of Capitalism Economics and Political Policy, even back in the late 1940's and 50's, Capitalism was the major part of politics.
Oh dear when Southy congratulates you on your post it’s a bit like the kiss of death on any creditability you have had
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SmallGovBigPeople[/bold] wrote: "Insanity: doing the same thing, over and over again and expecting different results" Albert Einstein There are over 400 registered political parties in Britain and yes some are looney and some are just plain nasty. However that still leaves an awful lot of people who are trying very hard to change this country for the better as they see it. I have never understood why it is that the British electorate continues to vote for the same parties no matter how big a failure or how bad that party has been for them. I can understand the socialist (head in the sand) habit of ignoring the truth but not the rest. Hear we stand in 2013 knowing full well that the LibConLabSocialist party will never change. It is so tied in the doctrine of big government and small people helped along by the EU gravy train that it threw away the hand brake years ago. Do the people really think that to be a MP requires a law degree or years being spoon-fed skills on how to look good on question time. Anybody can represent there country... anybody and why not? Do you really thing any MP today is better qualified than you or I. You DONT have to be affiliated to a mainstream party. You don't have to have a perfect past. What puts people off standing to be an MP is the fact that the British electorate seem hell bent on following the same old bull that spews out of the mouths of the LibConLabSocialist. All it will take to revolutionise the face of British politics is for the people to vote for somebody else.[/p][/quote]Not a bad post but small error. its LibConLabCapitalist. This country has all ways had a majority of Capitalism Economics and Political Policy, even back in the late 1940's and 50's, Capitalism was the major part of politics.[/p][/quote]Oh dear when Southy congratulates you on your post it’s a bit like the kiss of death on any creditability you have had Pikey-Biker
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2:01pm Tue 26 Feb 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Huffter wrote:
One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country.
There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.
Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year.
If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election.
If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election
.. absolute twaddle, yet again.

We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop.

You need to stop fantasising.
Free you do not take into account the full process.
let me explain in simple easy terms for you seeing under stand little.

a vote of no-cofindence comes in 2 parts, the first part when it comes up would be at a timing when the MP chooses, and a good tactian will pick a time when there are a small amount of MP's in the commons, Like when most of the Torys and Lib/Dems are at comittee meeting, or not turned up for the day, it would be a day when the Labour have the majority for it to pass the first stage. If they get what they want then the Speaker sets a date for the vote, when all MP's gets notice for the vote, its at this stage where all MP's get a vote, the Torys will need 50% of the vote to stay in office, (A 49% vote would be touch and go on the speakers vote) The Torys do not have enough MP's to make sure of 50% vote, they need to rely on the Lib/Dems vote also, and here where the main problem is for the Torys, Any Tory MP that are disgruntted to what there leadership is doing they will abstain from voting, and there is a few of them all ready, the bigger problem for this government is in the Lib/Dem, not all of the lib/dems agrees with this pack with the torys, and there are those that think clegg sold the party out over uni fees and other issues, and there are those that disagree with the cut measures that Cameron is doing, and there are those that will want to save face with its voters, you will a fair number here voting against the Torys and this pack and you will get a number abstaining.
That would be enough to call an early general election.
Labour only need to win 2 more seats to force a vote of no confidence though at the start of the 5 year term of office. (Andy and my self when though all of it when the Torys change the ruling from 50-50 to 51-49% in there favour back in 2010, and you know very little compair with Andy). Labour as all ready taking 1 of the 2 seats all ready this one could be the second one that is needed, and then they could go for that vote of no confidence.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country. There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.[/p][/quote]Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year. If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election. If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election[/p][/quote].. absolute twaddle, yet again. We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop. You need to stop fantasising.[/p][/quote]Free you do not take into account the full process. let me explain in simple easy terms for you seeing under stand little. a vote of no-cofindence comes in 2 parts, the first part when it comes up would be at a timing when the MP chooses, and a good tactian will pick a time when there are a small amount of MP's in the commons, Like when most of the Torys and Lib/Dems are at comittee meeting, or not turned up for the day, it would be a day when the Labour have the majority for it to pass the first stage. If they get what they want then the Speaker sets a date for the vote, when all MP's gets notice for the vote, its at this stage where all MP's get a vote, the Torys will need 50% of the vote to stay in office, (A 49% vote would be touch and go on the speakers vote) The Torys do not have enough MP's to make sure of 50% vote, they need to rely on the Lib/Dems vote also, and here where the main problem is for the Torys, Any Tory MP that are disgruntted to what there leadership is doing they will abstain from voting, and there is a few of them all ready, the bigger problem for this government is in the Lib/Dem, not all of the lib/dems agrees with this pack with the torys, and there are those that think clegg sold the party out over uni fees and other issues, and there are those that disagree with the cut measures that Cameron is doing, and there are those that will want to save face with its voters, you will a fair number here voting against the Torys and this pack and you will get a number abstaining. That would be enough to call an early general election. Labour only need to win 2 more seats to force a vote of no confidence though at the start of the 5 year term of office. (Andy and my self when though all of it when the Torys change the ruling from 50-50 to 51-49% in there favour back in 2010, and you know very little compair with Andy). Labour as all ready taking 1 of the 2 seats all ready this one could be the second one that is needed, and then they could go for that vote of no confidence. southy
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2:22pm Tue 26 Feb 13

southy says...

stay local wrote:
southy wrote:
Huffter wrote:
One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country.
There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.
Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year.
If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election.
If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election
Southy you have claimed that the Echo has shown political bias in its reporting by not allowing access to your candidate from the TUSC, as this is a very serious allegation I have reported it to the echo and I urge you to provide evidence.Otherwise we will be forced to believe that any comments from your self or the TUSC are lies. Remember you have made a serious allegation that if proven could mean a further bi election. You need to now prove your point.
Stay you do not need to report any thing, as my post are read by the echo people any way.
And also stay if proven to be or not it will not make a blind bit of difference, the result to the by-election will stand, a media political bias will not come into account towards the election commissioneers office.
I bet Bev is laughing her head off at you Stay, if you sent that mail of to echo i would mind betting the whole echo office is.
The same thing being said all over the country, its been notice a lot more than i though it would be.
Also stay some on this blogg site have notice how it favoured UKIP a lot.
[quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country. There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.[/p][/quote]Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year. If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election. If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election[/p][/quote]Southy you have claimed that the Echo has shown political bias in its reporting by not allowing access to your candidate from the TUSC, as this is a very serious allegation I have reported it to the echo and I urge you to provide evidence.Otherwise we will be forced to believe that any comments from your self or the TUSC are lies. Remember you have made a serious allegation that if proven could mean a further bi election. You need to now prove your point.[/p][/quote]Stay you do not need to report any thing, as my post are read by the echo people any way. And also stay if proven to be or not it will not make a blind bit of difference, the result to the by-election will stand, a media political bias will not come into account towards the election commissioneers office. I bet Bev is laughing her head off at you Stay, if you sent that mail of to echo i would mind betting the whole echo office is. The same thing being said all over the country, its been notice a lot more than i though it would be. Also stay some on this blogg site have notice how it favoured UKIP a lot. southy
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2:29pm Tue 26 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Huffter wrote:
One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country.
There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.
Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year.
If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election.
If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election
.. absolute twaddle, yet again.

We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop.

You need to stop fantasising.
Free you do not take into account the full process.
let me explain in simple easy terms for you seeing under stand little.

a vote of no-cofindence comes in 2 parts, the first part when it comes up would be at a timing when the MP chooses, and a good tactian will pick a time when there are a small amount of MP's in the commons, Like when most of the Torys and Lib/Dems are at comittee meeting, or not turned up for the day, it would be a day when the Labour have the majority for it to pass the first stage. If they get what they want then the Speaker sets a date for the vote, when all MP's gets notice for the vote, its at this stage where all MP's get a vote, the Torys will need 50% of the vote to stay in office, (A 49% vote would be touch and go on the speakers vote) The Torys do not have enough MP's to make sure of 50% vote, they need to rely on the Lib/Dems vote also, and here where the main problem is for the Torys, Any Tory MP that are disgruntted to what there leadership is doing they will abstain from voting, and there is a few of them all ready, the bigger problem for this government is in the Lib/Dem, not all of the lib/dems agrees with this pack with the torys, and there are those that think clegg sold the party out over uni fees and other issues, and there are those that disagree with the cut measures that Cameron is doing, and there are those that will want to save face with its voters, you will a fair number here voting against the Torys and this pack and you will get a number abstaining.
That would be enough to call an early general election.
Labour only need to win 2 more seats to force a vote of no confidence though at the start of the 5 year term of office. (Andy and my self when though all of it when the Torys change the ruling from 50-50 to 51-49% in there favour back in 2010, and you know very little compair with Andy). Labour as all ready taking 1 of the 2 seats all ready this one could be the second one that is needed, and then they could go for that vote of no confidence.
.. absolute fantasy. You haven't got a clue about politics, have you?

Turkeys DON'T vote for Christmas.
ALL the LibDems want a 5 year parliament.
NONE of the Tories will vote against their government on a confidence vote.

Callaghan's MINORITY government fell to a confidence vote in 1979. The previous successful vote was in 1924, again with no party in overall control.

This coalition has 359 MP's at present.
All others have 287 plus 2 vacancies.

I know your maths is atrocious, but even you should be able to work it out from these statistics.

As I say, you really do need to stop fantasising on this website, it does your case no favours.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country. There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.[/p][/quote]Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year. If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election. If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election[/p][/quote].. absolute twaddle, yet again. We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop. You need to stop fantasising.[/p][/quote]Free you do not take into account the full process. let me explain in simple easy terms for you seeing under stand little. a vote of no-cofindence comes in 2 parts, the first part when it comes up would be at a timing when the MP chooses, and a good tactian will pick a time when there are a small amount of MP's in the commons, Like when most of the Torys and Lib/Dems are at comittee meeting, or not turned up for the day, it would be a day when the Labour have the majority for it to pass the first stage. If they get what they want then the Speaker sets a date for the vote, when all MP's gets notice for the vote, its at this stage where all MP's get a vote, the Torys will need 50% of the vote to stay in office, (A 49% vote would be touch and go on the speakers vote) The Torys do not have enough MP's to make sure of 50% vote, they need to rely on the Lib/Dems vote also, and here where the main problem is for the Torys, Any Tory MP that are disgruntted to what there leadership is doing they will abstain from voting, and there is a few of them all ready, the bigger problem for this government is in the Lib/Dem, not all of the lib/dems agrees with this pack with the torys, and there are those that think clegg sold the party out over uni fees and other issues, and there are those that disagree with the cut measures that Cameron is doing, and there are those that will want to save face with its voters, you will a fair number here voting against the Torys and this pack and you will get a number abstaining. That would be enough to call an early general election. Labour only need to win 2 more seats to force a vote of no confidence though at the start of the 5 year term of office. (Andy and my self when though all of it when the Torys change the ruling from 50-50 to 51-49% in there favour back in 2010, and you know very little compair with Andy). Labour as all ready taking 1 of the 2 seats all ready this one could be the second one that is needed, and then they could go for that vote of no confidence.[/p][/quote].. absolute fantasy. You haven't got a clue about politics, have you? Turkeys DON'T vote for Christmas. ALL the LibDems want a 5 year parliament. NONE of the Tories will vote against their government on a confidence vote. Callaghan's MINORITY government fell to a confidence vote in 1979. The previous successful vote was in 1924, again with no party in overall control. This coalition has 359 MP's at present. All others have 287 plus 2 vacancies. I know your maths is atrocious, but even you should be able to work it out from these statistics. As I say, you really do need to stop fantasising on this website, it does your case no favours. freefinker
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2:32pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Pikey-Biker says...

colorado kid wrote:
Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.
I think you will find Michael Brown was a Tory
[quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.[/p][/quote]I think you will find Michael Brown was a Tory Pikey-Biker
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2:43pm Tue 26 Feb 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Huffter wrote:
One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country.
There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.
Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year.
If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election.
If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election
.. absolute twaddle, yet again.

We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop.

You need to stop fantasising.
Free you do not take into account the full process.
let me explain in simple easy terms for you seeing under stand little.

a vote of no-cofindence comes in 2 parts, the first part when it comes up would be at a timing when the MP chooses, and a good tactian will pick a time when there are a small amount of MP's in the commons, Like when most of the Torys and Lib/Dems are at comittee meeting, or not turned up for the day, it would be a day when the Labour have the majority for it to pass the first stage. If they get what they want then the Speaker sets a date for the vote, when all MP's gets notice for the vote, its at this stage where all MP's get a vote, the Torys will need 50% of the vote to stay in office, (A 49% vote would be touch and go on the speakers vote) The Torys do not have enough MP's to make sure of 50% vote, they need to rely on the Lib/Dems vote also, and here where the main problem is for the Torys, Any Tory MP that are disgruntted to what there leadership is doing they will abstain from voting, and there is a few of them all ready, the bigger problem for this government is in the Lib/Dem, not all of the lib/dems agrees with this pack with the torys, and there are those that think clegg sold the party out over uni fees and other issues, and there are those that disagree with the cut measures that Cameron is doing, and there are those that will want to save face with its voters, you will a fair number here voting against the Torys and this pack and you will get a number abstaining.
That would be enough to call an early general election.
Labour only need to win 2 more seats to force a vote of no confidence though at the start of the 5 year term of office. (Andy and my self when though all of it when the Torys change the ruling from 50-50 to 51-49% in there favour back in 2010, and you know very little compair with Andy). Labour as all ready taking 1 of the 2 seats all ready this one could be the second one that is needed, and then they could go for that vote of no confidence.
.. absolute fantasy. You haven't got a clue about politics, have you?

Turkeys DON'T vote for Christmas.
ALL the LibDems want a 5 year parliament.
NONE of the Tories will vote against their government on a confidence vote.

Callaghan's MINORITY government fell to a confidence vote in 1979. The previous successful vote was in 1924, again with no party in overall control.

This coalition has 359 MP's at present.
All others have 287 plus 2 vacancies.

I know your maths is atrocious, but even you should be able to work it out from these statistics.

As I say, you really do need to stop fantasising on this website, it does your case no favours.
Yes they might have 390 MP's, but figures like this mean nothing when it comes to a vote of no confidence, this pack could turn against each other easy.
And maths do not come into it, its how the MP's feels, and like I said there will be Tory MP's that will abstain from voting, but unlikely any Tory will vote with the opposition, but when it comes to the Lib/Dem that will be a big diffence matter her your not only going to get Lib/Dems abstaining, your going to get some of them voting with Labour, and this is what your maths can not take into account the veribles.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country. There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.[/p][/quote]Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year. If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election. If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election[/p][/quote].. absolute twaddle, yet again. We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop. You need to stop fantasising.[/p][/quote]Free you do not take into account the full process. let me explain in simple easy terms for you seeing under stand little. a vote of no-cofindence comes in 2 parts, the first part when it comes up would be at a timing when the MP chooses, and a good tactian will pick a time when there are a small amount of MP's in the commons, Like when most of the Torys and Lib/Dems are at comittee meeting, or not turned up for the day, it would be a day when the Labour have the majority for it to pass the first stage. If they get what they want then the Speaker sets a date for the vote, when all MP's gets notice for the vote, its at this stage where all MP's get a vote, the Torys will need 50% of the vote to stay in office, (A 49% vote would be touch and go on the speakers vote) The Torys do not have enough MP's to make sure of 50% vote, they need to rely on the Lib/Dems vote also, and here where the main problem is for the Torys, Any Tory MP that are disgruntted to what there leadership is doing they will abstain from voting, and there is a few of them all ready, the bigger problem for this government is in the Lib/Dem, not all of the lib/dems agrees with this pack with the torys, and there are those that think clegg sold the party out over uni fees and other issues, and there are those that disagree with the cut measures that Cameron is doing, and there are those that will want to save face with its voters, you will a fair number here voting against the Torys and this pack and you will get a number abstaining. That would be enough to call an early general election. Labour only need to win 2 more seats to force a vote of no confidence though at the start of the 5 year term of office. (Andy and my self when though all of it when the Torys change the ruling from 50-50 to 51-49% in there favour back in 2010, and you know very little compair with Andy). Labour as all ready taking 1 of the 2 seats all ready this one could be the second one that is needed, and then they could go for that vote of no confidence.[/p][/quote].. absolute fantasy. You haven't got a clue about politics, have you? Turkeys DON'T vote for Christmas. ALL the LibDems want a 5 year parliament. NONE of the Tories will vote against their government on a confidence vote. Callaghan's MINORITY government fell to a confidence vote in 1979. The previous successful vote was in 1924, again with no party in overall control. This coalition has 359 MP's at present. All others have 287 plus 2 vacancies. I know your maths is atrocious, but even you should be able to work it out from these statistics. As I say, you really do need to stop fantasising on this website, it does your case no favours.[/p][/quote]Yes they might have 390 MP's, but figures like this mean nothing when it comes to a vote of no confidence, this pack could turn against each other easy. And maths do not come into it, its how the MP's feels, and like I said there will be Tory MP's that will abstain from voting, but unlikely any Tory will vote with the opposition, but when it comes to the Lib/Dem that will be a big diffence matter her your not only going to get Lib/Dems abstaining, your going to get some of them voting with Labour, and this is what your maths can not take into account the veribles. southy
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2:58pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Poppy22 says...

Those of us in Bursledon/surroundin
g areas have seen the mistake of having Lib Dems in control at Parish, Borough and MP level - Lib Dems no longer act for local people and no longer take local people's wishes and views into account. Parish Councillors pass on queries to the Leader of the Borough Council (who also chairs the Parish Council - a conflict of interest if ever!)it seems they're all too scared to do anything other than what he tells them to do! - will Mike Thornton, if elected as MP, continue to be the same??). Presumably Keith House didn't stand for MP because the power, pay and bonuses are too good as head of the Borough Council? Anything raised with our Lib Dem MP since the last election has resulted in letters promoting Coalition and lib Dem actions since election and totally ignoring what has been said in our letters, with no representation of local people's views.
The Conservative candidate says she is out door knocking all day but she hasn't been seen here and it's a shame she can't find the time to answer (or get someone else to answer!) the valid questions being raised to her by emails from local people on issues we believe are key (building on our countryside, NHS, people other than those with children who are unable to get benefits/tax credits when they need them, unfair tax system - low 40% threshold, no rates between 20% & 40%, the average person paying proportionally more taxes than the rich, etc etc).
UKIP bang on about just a few things but again haven't bothered to answer emails asking them specific questions.
Iain McClennan and Danny Boyle, nor Mr Bex the Wessex Regionalist, nor other candidates, haven't been given the coverage they need to get their messages across (especially as they don't have the "main party" finances in place to blitz us with campaign leaflets). Many people will, therefore, judge them merely on their appearance and not what they truly stand for. Having said that, though, most of them haven't answered questions raised by email either! In this electronic world, there's no excuse and many of us would rather than specific answers to questions than a "will you vote for me" question on the doorstep!
All in all this election is proving to be a farce but anyone who votes for Lib Dem, Con or Lab is just asking for more of the same we've suffered the last several years. Labour got us into a dire financial mess. The Coalition promised a lot and have delivered on nothing, other than arrogant, unthought-out schemes that they quickly have to back-track on (costing a small fortune no doubt!). The Coalition favours the wealthy at the expense of the average worker/voter.
We need at least one non-main party MP representing this area in Parliament, or at the least a strong message getting across that (a) it's no longer a 2 (or 3)-horse race in this area and (b) a lot of us no longer have any confidence in Lib Dems acting at local level (which is very sad as in past decades Lib Dems have done a good job at local level but have now got too big for their boots!).
No wonder the national press have been following this election - never seen such a farce!
Those of us in Bursledon/surroundin g areas have seen the mistake of having Lib Dems in control at Parish, Borough and MP level - Lib Dems no longer act for local people and no longer take local people's wishes and views into account. Parish Councillors pass on queries to the Leader of the Borough Council (who also chairs the Parish Council - a conflict of interest if ever!)it seems they're all too scared to do anything other than what he tells them to do! - will Mike Thornton, if elected as MP, continue to be the same??). Presumably Keith House didn't stand for MP because the power, pay and bonuses are too good as head of the Borough Council? Anything raised with our Lib Dem MP since the last election has resulted in letters promoting Coalition and lib Dem actions since election and totally ignoring what has been said in our letters, with no representation of local people's views. The Conservative candidate says she is out door knocking all day but she hasn't been seen here and it's a shame she can't find the time to answer (or get someone else to answer!) the valid questions being raised to her by emails from local people on issues we believe are key (building on our countryside, NHS, people other than those with children who are unable to get benefits/tax credits when they need them, unfair tax system - low 40% threshold, no rates between 20% & 40%, the average person paying proportionally more taxes than the rich, etc etc). UKIP bang on about just a few things but again haven't bothered to answer emails asking them specific questions. Iain McClennan and Danny Boyle, nor Mr Bex the Wessex Regionalist, nor other candidates, haven't been given the coverage they need to get their messages across (especially as they don't have the "main party" finances in place to blitz us with campaign leaflets). Many people will, therefore, judge them merely on their appearance and not what they truly stand for. Having said that, though, most of them haven't answered questions raised by email either! In this electronic world, there's no excuse and many of us would rather than specific answers to questions than a "will you vote for me" question on the doorstep! All in all this election is proving to be a farce but anyone who votes for Lib Dem, Con or Lab is just asking for more of the same we've suffered the last several years. Labour got us into a dire financial mess. The Coalition promised a lot and have delivered on nothing, other than arrogant, unthought-out schemes that they quickly have to back-track on (costing a small fortune no doubt!). The Coalition favours the wealthy at the expense of the average worker/voter. We need at least one non-main party MP representing this area in Parliament, or at the least a strong message getting across that (a) it's no longer a 2 (or 3)-horse race in this area and (b) a lot of us no longer have any confidence in Lib Dems acting at local level (which is very sad as in past decades Lib Dems have done a good job at local level but have now got too big for their boots!). No wonder the national press have been following this election - never seen such a farce! Poppy22
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3:08pm Tue 26 Feb 13

southy says...

Poppy22 contact the Winchester Socialist party branch an they will put you into direct contact with the local area of the TUSC, one thing for sure you will get an answer from them or if you got free time go to Eastleigh market place (i think) there will be a Socialist party/TUSC stool there around midday tomorrow.
Poppy22 contact the Winchester Socialist party branch an they will put you into direct contact with the local area of the TUSC, one thing for sure you will get an answer from them or if you got free time go to Eastleigh market place (i think) there will be a Socialist party/TUSC stool there around midday tomorrow. southy
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3:55pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Stephen J says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Huffter wrote:
One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country.
There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.
Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year.
If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election.
If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election
.. absolute twaddle, yet again.

We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop.

You need to stop fantasising.
Free you do not take into account the full process.
let me explain in simple easy terms for you seeing under stand little.

a vote of no-cofindence comes in 2 parts, the first part when it comes up would be at a timing when the MP chooses, and a good tactian will pick a time when there are a small amount of MP's in the commons, Like when most of the Torys and Lib/Dems are at comittee meeting, or not turned up for the day, it would be a day when the Labour have the majority for it to pass the first stage. If they get what they want then the Speaker sets a date for the vote, when all MP's gets notice for the vote, its at this stage where all MP's get a vote, the Torys will need 50% of the vote to stay in office, (A 49% vote would be touch and go on the speakers vote) The Torys do not have enough MP's to make sure of 50% vote, they need to rely on the Lib/Dems vote also, and here where the main problem is for the Torys, Any Tory MP that are disgruntted to what there leadership is doing they will abstain from voting, and there is a few of them all ready, the bigger problem for this government is in the Lib/Dem, not all of the lib/dems agrees with this pack with the torys, and there are those that think clegg sold the party out over uni fees and other issues, and there are those that disagree with the cut measures that Cameron is doing, and there are those that will want to save face with its voters, you will a fair number here voting against the Torys and this pack and you will get a number abstaining.
That would be enough to call an early general election.
Labour only need to win 2 more seats to force a vote of no confidence though at the start of the 5 year term of office. (Andy and my self when though all of it when the Torys change the ruling from 50-50 to 51-49% in there favour back in 2010, and you know very little compair with Andy). Labour as all ready taking 1 of the 2 seats all ready this one could be the second one that is needed, and then they could go for that vote of no confidence.
.. absolute fantasy. You haven't got a clue about politics, have you?

Turkeys DON'T vote for Christmas.
ALL the LibDems want a 5 year parliament.
NONE of the Tories will vote against their government on a confidence vote.

Callaghan's MINORITY government fell to a confidence vote in 1979. The previous successful vote was in 1924, again with no party in overall control.

This coalition has 359 MP's at present.
All others have 287 plus 2 vacancies.

I know your maths is atrocious, but even you should be able to work it out from these statistics.

As I say, you really do need to stop fantasising on this website, it does your case no favours.
Yes they might have 390 MP's, but figures like this mean nothing when it comes to a vote of no confidence, this pack could turn against each other easy.
And maths do not come into it, its how the MP's feels, and like I said there will be Tory MP's that will abstain from voting, but unlikely any Tory will vote with the opposition, but when it comes to the Lib/Dem that will be a big diffence matter her your not only going to get Lib/Dems abstaining, your going to get some of them voting with Labour, and this is what your maths can not take into account the veribles.
Parties in government scheming to vote themselves out of power. Certainly a novel idea.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country. There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.[/p][/quote]Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year. If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election. If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election[/p][/quote].. absolute twaddle, yet again. We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop. You need to stop fantasising.[/p][/quote]Free you do not take into account the full process. let me explain in simple easy terms for you seeing under stand little. a vote of no-cofindence comes in 2 parts, the first part when it comes up would be at a timing when the MP chooses, and a good tactian will pick a time when there are a small amount of MP's in the commons, Like when most of the Torys and Lib/Dems are at comittee meeting, or not turned up for the day, it would be a day when the Labour have the majority for it to pass the first stage. If they get what they want then the Speaker sets a date for the vote, when all MP's gets notice for the vote, its at this stage where all MP's get a vote, the Torys will need 50% of the vote to stay in office, (A 49% vote would be touch and go on the speakers vote) The Torys do not have enough MP's to make sure of 50% vote, they need to rely on the Lib/Dems vote also, and here where the main problem is for the Torys, Any Tory MP that are disgruntted to what there leadership is doing they will abstain from voting, and there is a few of them all ready, the bigger problem for this government is in the Lib/Dem, not all of the lib/dems agrees with this pack with the torys, and there are those that think clegg sold the party out over uni fees and other issues, and there are those that disagree with the cut measures that Cameron is doing, and there are those that will want to save face with its voters, you will a fair number here voting against the Torys and this pack and you will get a number abstaining. That would be enough to call an early general election. Labour only need to win 2 more seats to force a vote of no confidence though at the start of the 5 year term of office. (Andy and my self when though all of it when the Torys change the ruling from 50-50 to 51-49% in there favour back in 2010, and you know very little compair with Andy). Labour as all ready taking 1 of the 2 seats all ready this one could be the second one that is needed, and then they could go for that vote of no confidence.[/p][/quote].. absolute fantasy. You haven't got a clue about politics, have you? Turkeys DON'T vote for Christmas. ALL the LibDems want a 5 year parliament. NONE of the Tories will vote against their government on a confidence vote. Callaghan's MINORITY government fell to a confidence vote in 1979. The previous successful vote was in 1924, again with no party in overall control. This coalition has 359 MP's at present. All others have 287 plus 2 vacancies. I know your maths is atrocious, but even you should be able to work it out from these statistics. As I say, you really do need to stop fantasising on this website, it does your case no favours.[/p][/quote]Yes they might have 390 MP's, but figures like this mean nothing when it comes to a vote of no confidence, this pack could turn against each other easy. And maths do not come into it, its how the MP's feels, and like I said there will be Tory MP's that will abstain from voting, but unlikely any Tory will vote with the opposition, but when it comes to the Lib/Dem that will be a big diffence matter her your not only going to get Lib/Dems abstaining, your going to get some of them voting with Labour, and this is what your maths can not take into account the veribles.[/p][/quote]Parties in government scheming to vote themselves out of power. Certainly a novel idea. Stephen J
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5:27pm Tue 26 Feb 13

sam1970 says...

Give UKIP a chance. This is only a by-election, lets get a UKIP MP in parliament and see what they are made of. If you don't like what they do, vote for someone different in 2015. We have had Lib/Lab/Con for long enough to know what a mess they can make of this Country. Lets try someone new. Make history Eastleigh, and vote in the first ever UKIP member of Parliament.
Give UKIP a chance. This is only a by-election, lets get a UKIP MP in parliament and see what they are made of. If you don't like what they do, vote for someone different in 2015. We have had Lib/Lab/Con for long enough to know what a mess they can make of this Country. Lets try someone new. Make history Eastleigh, and vote in the first ever UKIP member of Parliament. sam1970
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6:17pm Tue 26 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Huffter wrote:
One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country.
There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.
Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year.
If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election.
If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election
.. absolute twaddle, yet again.

We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop.

You need to stop fantasising.
Free you do not take into account the full process.
let me explain in simple easy terms for you seeing under stand little.

a vote of no-cofindence comes in 2 parts, the first part when it comes up would be at a timing when the MP chooses, and a good tactian will pick a time when there are a small amount of MP's in the commons, Like when most of the Torys and Lib/Dems are at comittee meeting, or not turned up for the day, it would be a day when the Labour have the majority for it to pass the first stage. If they get what they want then the Speaker sets a date for the vote, when all MP's gets notice for the vote, its at this stage where all MP's get a vote, the Torys will need 50% of the vote to stay in office, (A 49% vote would be touch and go on the speakers vote) The Torys do not have enough MP's to make sure of 50% vote, they need to rely on the Lib/Dems vote also, and here where the main problem is for the Torys, Any Tory MP that are disgruntted to what there leadership is doing they will abstain from voting, and there is a few of them all ready, the bigger problem for this government is in the Lib/Dem, not all of the lib/dems agrees with this pack with the torys, and there are those that think clegg sold the party out over uni fees and other issues, and there are those that disagree with the cut measures that Cameron is doing, and there are those that will want to save face with its voters, you will a fair number here voting against the Torys and this pack and you will get a number abstaining.
That would be enough to call an early general election.
Labour only need to win 2 more seats to force a vote of no confidence though at the start of the 5 year term of office. (Andy and my self when though all of it when the Torys change the ruling from 50-50 to 51-49% in there favour back in 2010, and you know very little compair with Andy). Labour as all ready taking 1 of the 2 seats all ready this one could be the second one that is needed, and then they could go for that vote of no confidence.
.. absolute fantasy. You haven't got a clue about politics, have you?

Turkeys DON'T vote for Christmas.
ALL the LibDems want a 5 year parliament.
NONE of the Tories will vote against their government on a confidence vote.

Callaghan's MINORITY government fell to a confidence vote in 1979. The previous successful vote was in 1924, again with no party in overall control.

This coalition has 359 MP's at present.
All others have 287 plus 2 vacancies.

I know your maths is atrocious, but even you should be able to work it out from these statistics.

As I say, you really do need to stop fantasising on this website, it does your case no favours.
Yes they might have 390 MP's, but figures like this mean nothing when it comes to a vote of no confidence, this pack could turn against each other easy.
And maths do not come into it, its how the MP's feels, and like I said there will be Tory MP's that will abstain from voting, but unlikely any Tory will vote with the opposition, but when it comes to the Lib/Dem that will be a big diffence matter her your not only going to get Lib/Dems abstaining, your going to get some of them voting with Labour, and this is what your maths can not take into account the veribles.
.. absolute boll0cks. I don't like this coalition but I do recognise reality.

Neither the LibDems nor Tories (and that's ALL of them) want to see this coalition fall before May 2015. SO IT WON'T, full stop. Get that into your head.

Want to offer me a bet against that?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country. There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.[/p][/quote]Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year. If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election. If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election[/p][/quote].. absolute twaddle, yet again. We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop. You need to stop fantasising.[/p][/quote]Free you do not take into account the full process. let me explain in simple easy terms for you seeing under stand little. a vote of no-cofindence comes in 2 parts, the first part when it comes up would be at a timing when the MP chooses, and a good tactian will pick a time when there are a small amount of MP's in the commons, Like when most of the Torys and Lib/Dems are at comittee meeting, or not turned up for the day, it would be a day when the Labour have the majority for it to pass the first stage. If they get what they want then the Speaker sets a date for the vote, when all MP's gets notice for the vote, its at this stage where all MP's get a vote, the Torys will need 50% of the vote to stay in office, (A 49% vote would be touch and go on the speakers vote) The Torys do not have enough MP's to make sure of 50% vote, they need to rely on the Lib/Dems vote also, and here where the main problem is for the Torys, Any Tory MP that are disgruntted to what there leadership is doing they will abstain from voting, and there is a few of them all ready, the bigger problem for this government is in the Lib/Dem, not all of the lib/dems agrees with this pack with the torys, and there are those that think clegg sold the party out over uni fees and other issues, and there are those that disagree with the cut measures that Cameron is doing, and there are those that will want to save face with its voters, you will a fair number here voting against the Torys and this pack and you will get a number abstaining. That would be enough to call an early general election. Labour only need to win 2 more seats to force a vote of no confidence though at the start of the 5 year term of office. (Andy and my self when though all of it when the Torys change the ruling from 50-50 to 51-49% in there favour back in 2010, and you know very little compair with Andy). Labour as all ready taking 1 of the 2 seats all ready this one could be the second one that is needed, and then they could go for that vote of no confidence.[/p][/quote].. absolute fantasy. You haven't got a clue about politics, have you? Turkeys DON'T vote for Christmas. ALL the LibDems want a 5 year parliament. NONE of the Tories will vote against their government on a confidence vote. Callaghan's MINORITY government fell to a confidence vote in 1979. The previous successful vote was in 1924, again with no party in overall control. This coalition has 359 MP's at present. All others have 287 plus 2 vacancies. I know your maths is atrocious, but even you should be able to work it out from these statistics. As I say, you really do need to stop fantasising on this website, it does your case no favours.[/p][/quote]Yes they might have 390 MP's, but figures like this mean nothing when it comes to a vote of no confidence, this pack could turn against each other easy. And maths do not come into it, its how the MP's feels, and like I said there will be Tory MP's that will abstain from voting, but unlikely any Tory will vote with the opposition, but when it comes to the Lib/Dem that will be a big diffence matter her your not only going to get Lib/Dems abstaining, your going to get some of them voting with Labour, and this is what your maths can not take into account the veribles.[/p][/quote].. absolute boll0cks. I don't like this coalition but I do recognise reality. Neither the LibDems nor Tories (and that's ALL of them) want to see this coalition fall before May 2015. SO IT WON'T, full stop. Get that into your head. Want to offer me a bet against that? freefinker
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7:44pm Tue 26 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

sam1970 wrote:
Give UKIP a chance. This is only a by-election, lets get a UKIP MP in parliament and see what they are made of. If you don't like what they do, vote for someone different in 2015. We have had Lib/Lab/Con for long enough to know what a mess they can make of this Country. Lets try someone new. Make history Eastleigh, and vote in the first ever UKIP member of Parliament.
I agree with this. Politics has gotten a bit stale.

I want to see a UKIP MP in parliament.

For the lulz.
[quote][p][bold]sam1970[/bold] wrote: Give UKIP a chance. This is only a by-election, lets get a UKIP MP in parliament and see what they are made of. If you don't like what they do, vote for someone different in 2015. We have had Lib/Lab/Con for long enough to know what a mess they can make of this Country. Lets try someone new. Make history Eastleigh, and vote in the first ever UKIP member of Parliament.[/p][/quote]I agree with this. Politics has gotten a bit stale. I want to see a UKIP MP in parliament. For the lulz. cantthinkofone
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7:46pm Tue 26 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Huffter wrote:
One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country.
There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.
Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year.
If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election.
If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election
.. absolute twaddle, yet again.

We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop.

You need to stop fantasising.
Free you do not take into account the full process.
let me explain in simple easy terms for you seeing under stand little.

a vote of no-cofindence comes in 2 parts, the first part when it comes up would be at a timing when the MP chooses, and a good tactian will pick a time when there are a small amount of MP's in the commons, Like when most of the Torys and Lib/Dems are at comittee meeting, or not turned up for the day, it would be a day when the Labour have the majority for it to pass the first stage. If they get what they want then the Speaker sets a date for the vote, when all MP's gets notice for the vote, its at this stage where all MP's get a vote, the Torys will need 50% of the vote to stay in office, (A 49% vote would be touch and go on the speakers vote) The Torys do not have enough MP's to make sure of 50% vote, they need to rely on the Lib/Dems vote also, and here where the main problem is for the Torys, Any Tory MP that are disgruntted to what there leadership is doing they will abstain from voting, and there is a few of them all ready, the bigger problem for this government is in the Lib/Dem, not all of the lib/dems agrees with this pack with the torys, and there are those that think clegg sold the party out over uni fees and other issues, and there are those that disagree with the cut measures that Cameron is doing, and there are those that will want to save face with its voters, you will a fair number here voting against the Torys and this pack and you will get a number abstaining.
That would be enough to call an early general election.
Labour only need to win 2 more seats to force a vote of no confidence though at the start of the 5 year term of office. (Andy and my self when though all of it when the Torys change the ruling from 50-50 to 51-49% in there favour back in 2010, and you know very little compair with Andy). Labour as all ready taking 1 of the 2 seats all ready this one could be the second one that is needed, and then they could go for that vote of no confidence.
.. absolute fantasy. You haven't got a clue about politics, have you?

Turkeys DON'T vote for Christmas.
ALL the LibDems want a 5 year parliament.
NONE of the Tories will vote against their government on a confidence vote.

Callaghan's MINORITY government fell to a confidence vote in 1979. The previous successful vote was in 1924, again with no party in overall control.

This coalition has 359 MP's at present.
All others have 287 plus 2 vacancies.

I know your maths is atrocious, but even you should be able to work it out from these statistics.

As I say, you really do need to stop fantasising on this website, it does your case no favours.
Yes they might have 390 MP's, but figures like this mean nothing when it comes to a vote of no confidence, this pack could turn against each other easy.
And maths do not come into it, its how the MP's feels, and like I said there will be Tory MP's that will abstain from voting, but unlikely any Tory will vote with the opposition, but when it comes to the Lib/Dem that will be a big diffence matter her your not only going to get Lib/Dems abstaining, your going to get some of them voting with Labour, and this is what your maths can not take into account the veribles.
.. absolute boll0cks. I don't like this coalition but I do recognise reality.

Neither the LibDems nor Tories (and that's ALL of them) want to see this coalition fall before May 2015. SO IT WON'T, full stop. Get that into your head.

Want to offer me a bet against that?
It *could* do though.

All we need is enough pitchforks and burning torches.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country. There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.[/p][/quote]Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year. If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election. If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election[/p][/quote].. absolute twaddle, yet again. We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop. You need to stop fantasising.[/p][/quote]Free you do not take into account the full process. let me explain in simple easy terms for you seeing under stand little. a vote of no-cofindence comes in 2 parts, the first part when it comes up would be at a timing when the MP chooses, and a good tactian will pick a time when there are a small amount of MP's in the commons, Like when most of the Torys and Lib/Dems are at comittee meeting, or not turned up for the day, it would be a day when the Labour have the majority for it to pass the first stage. If they get what they want then the Speaker sets a date for the vote, when all MP's gets notice for the vote, its at this stage where all MP's get a vote, the Torys will need 50% of the vote to stay in office, (A 49% vote would be touch and go on the speakers vote) The Torys do not have enough MP's to make sure of 50% vote, they need to rely on the Lib/Dems vote also, and here where the main problem is for the Torys, Any Tory MP that are disgruntted to what there leadership is doing they will abstain from voting, and there is a few of them all ready, the bigger problem for this government is in the Lib/Dem, not all of the lib/dems agrees with this pack with the torys, and there are those that think clegg sold the party out over uni fees and other issues, and there are those that disagree with the cut measures that Cameron is doing, and there are those that will want to save face with its voters, you will a fair number here voting against the Torys and this pack and you will get a number abstaining. That would be enough to call an early general election. Labour only need to win 2 more seats to force a vote of no confidence though at the start of the 5 year term of office. (Andy and my self when though all of it when the Torys change the ruling from 50-50 to 51-49% in there favour back in 2010, and you know very little compair with Andy). Labour as all ready taking 1 of the 2 seats all ready this one could be the second one that is needed, and then they could go for that vote of no confidence.[/p][/quote].. absolute fantasy. You haven't got a clue about politics, have you? Turkeys DON'T vote for Christmas. ALL the LibDems want a 5 year parliament. NONE of the Tories will vote against their government on a confidence vote. Callaghan's MINORITY government fell to a confidence vote in 1979. The previous successful vote was in 1924, again with no party in overall control. This coalition has 359 MP's at present. All others have 287 plus 2 vacancies. I know your maths is atrocious, but even you should be able to work it out from these statistics. As I say, you really do need to stop fantasising on this website, it does your case no favours.[/p][/quote]Yes they might have 390 MP's, but figures like this mean nothing when it comes to a vote of no confidence, this pack could turn against each other easy. And maths do not come into it, its how the MP's feels, and like I said there will be Tory MP's that will abstain from voting, but unlikely any Tory will vote with the opposition, but when it comes to the Lib/Dem that will be a big diffence matter her your not only going to get Lib/Dems abstaining, your going to get some of them voting with Labour, and this is what your maths can not take into account the veribles.[/p][/quote].. absolute boll0cks. I don't like this coalition but I do recognise reality. Neither the LibDems nor Tories (and that's ALL of them) want to see this coalition fall before May 2015. SO IT WON'T, full stop. Get that into your head. Want to offer me a bet against that?[/p][/quote]It *could* do though. All we need is enough pitchforks and burning torches. cantthinkofone
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7:47pm Tue 26 Feb 13

LancashireLad says...

So what do you want good people of Eastleigh, more dishonesty, more self interest, more arrogance, more expense fiddling, more political correctness, more open door mass imigration, more pouring billions of £s into the very costly failed EU experiment, more appeasing militant minorities, more unequal one way equality, more thought police, more health and safety, more false green stealth taxes; higher fuel and domestic gas & electricity bills to fund the false quasi global warming new religion, more kicking of the poor, the sick and the disabled, more old people dying in their homes from the cold of winter too frightened to put their heating on because of extortionate 'green necessary prices', more fat cat bankers feeding their fat bank accounts even though they have lost billions of tax payers money, a NHS on its knees unable to cope with the mass influx of people from all over the world, unable to see a doctor a dentist unless you can go private, a two tier education system, public school for the rich and powerful including hypocritical labour and liberal MPs etc ... if you want all of the above to continue then vote for the Liberal Conservatives, or the Liberal Democrats or New Labour, it doesn't matter which they are all the same more or less but if you have had enough of all three then vote for a real change, a new beginning for the nation, vote for Diane James and the UK Independence Party. If Diane wins in Eastleigh it will send shock waves through the London political elite clique.
So what do you want good people of Eastleigh, more dishonesty, more self interest, more arrogance, more expense fiddling, more political correctness, more open door mass imigration, more pouring billions of £s into the very costly failed EU experiment, more appeasing militant minorities, more unequal one way equality, more thought police, more health and safety, more false green stealth taxes; higher fuel and domestic gas & electricity bills to fund the false quasi global warming new religion, more kicking of the poor, the sick and the disabled, more old people dying in their homes from the cold of winter too frightened to put their heating on because of extortionate 'green necessary prices', more fat cat bankers feeding their fat bank accounts even though they have lost billions of tax payers money, a NHS on its knees unable to cope with the mass influx of people from all over the world, unable to see a doctor a dentist unless you can go private, a two tier education system, public school for the rich and powerful including hypocritical labour and liberal MPs etc ... if you want all of the above to continue then vote for the Liberal Conservatives, or the Liberal Democrats or New Labour, it doesn't matter which they are all the same more or less but if you have had enough of all three then vote for a real change, a new beginning for the nation, vote for Diane James and the UK Independence Party. If Diane wins in Eastleigh it will send shock waves through the London political elite clique. LancashireLad
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8:46pm Tue 26 Feb 13

colorado kid says...

kingnotail wrote:
colorado kid wrote:
Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.
I suggest you look up Easleigh's last Tory MP, Stephen Milligan if you want the epitome of political sleaze. Not excusing any of the Lib Dems you mentioned, but singling out Lib Dems is a little unfair.
Sorry but Stephen Milligan was a saddo but he did not inflict his bizarre behaviour on anybody else unlike some of the Lib Dems mentioned.
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.[/p][/quote]I suggest you look up Easleigh's last Tory MP, Stephen Milligan if you want the epitome of political sleaze. Not excusing any of the Lib Dems you mentioned, but singling out Lib Dems is a little unfair.[/p][/quote]Sorry but Stephen Milligan was a saddo but he did not inflict his bizarre behaviour on anybody else unlike some of the Lib Dems mentioned. colorado kid
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8:50pm Tue 26 Feb 13

colorado kid says...

****-Biker wrote:
colorado kid wrote:
Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.
I think you will find Michael Brown was a Tory
No you are wrong he was a Lib Dem and was put away for 7 years.
[quote][p][bold]****-Biker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.[/p][/quote]I think you will find Michael Brown was a Tory[/p][/quote]No you are wrong he was a Lib Dem and was put away for 7 years. colorado kid
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9:38pm Tue 26 Feb 13

colorado kid says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
colorado kid wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
If after not only Huhne affair but even more serious betrayal of most of the promises made by Lib-Dems during last election was not sufficient reasons for voters to avoid touching these cheats even with a barge pole, now latest U Turn by Clegg who has been eventually forced to admit that he was aware of allegations regarding sexual harassment of women within his party should be yet more reason for people to stay away from Lib-Dem more than even plague.

NuLabour's efforts in Eastleigh may be admirable, because they have thrown all they could at Eastleigh.

But if even with Tories and their unprincipled Lib-Dem bed fellows exposing their real fangs while hell bent on stabbing each other in backs, NuLabour candidate can't win then it will only prove:

1: The geeks run campaign based upon manual 'How to lose elections' is to be blamed.

2: Miliband's fib that NuLabour is dead has failed to fool the people, who dislike NuLabour but remain loyal to The Labour Party's values

3: Decision of national leadership to ignore suitable life long highly experienced and known for hard work member from short list of candidates because they wanted to rig the selection in favour of people from media world to have more clones of Mandelson in parliament was very wrong.

Any way the poll that really matters will be held on Thursday.

So only hope voters won't vote for Coalition partners responsible for messing UK's credit ratings or for party which coordinates with ultra right M Le Pen of France.
You are quite a comedian,anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that Nulabour got us into the financial mess we are in now,it took them 13 years this time, normally it takes them one term,so they are improving on conning the UK electorate,however with this moron O'farrell they have absolutely no chance of winning but every chance of coming fourth.
Obviously you conveniently want to forget that arrogant out of touch posh boys of the Tories made a huge issue about saving UK's AAA credit ratings, which under them have now gone into smoke.

Just like many big name retailers from high streets along with another 800 jobs which Tesco have announced today.

Sadly under Coalition even the food has become fake, people are paying for beef burgers but are fed pony burgers, in some cases sourced from animals which were given bute. And ministers are still saying eating those is safe. Didn't certain Tory also said the same in 1980s when we were warning about mad cow disease?

Do you really expect us the people to forget massive advertising by Tories promising to look after the NHS? And us not to notice while reducing the tax rate for super rich how ConDem Coalition of self serving unprincipled opportunists is trying to choke the life out of NHS by dictating cuts?
You are a serlf opiniated bore!"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: If after not only Huhne affair but even more serious betrayal of most of the promises made by Lib-Dems during last election was not sufficient reasons for voters to avoid touching these cheats even with a barge pole, now latest U Turn by Clegg who has been eventually forced to admit that he was aware of allegations regarding sexual harassment of women within his party should be yet more reason for people to stay away from Lib-Dem more than even plague. NuLabour's efforts in Eastleigh may be admirable, because they have thrown all they could at Eastleigh. But if even with Tories and their unprincipled Lib-Dem bed fellows exposing their real fangs while hell bent on stabbing each other in backs, NuLabour candidate can't win then it will only prove: 1: The geeks run campaign based upon manual 'How to lose elections' is to be blamed. 2: Miliband's fib that NuLabour is dead has failed to fool the people, who dislike NuLabour but remain loyal to The Labour Party's values 3: Decision of national leadership to ignore suitable life long highly experienced and known for hard work member from short list of candidates because they wanted to rig the selection in favour of people from media world to have more clones of Mandelson in parliament was very wrong. Any way the poll that really matters will be held on Thursday. So only hope voters won't vote for Coalition partners responsible for messing UK's credit ratings or for party which coordinates with ultra right M Le Pen of France.[/p][/quote]You are quite a comedian,anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that Nulabour got us into the financial mess we are in now,it took them 13 years this time, normally it takes them one term,so they are improving on conning the UK electorate,however with this moron O'farrell they have absolutely no chance of winning but every chance of coming fourth.[/p][/quote]Obviously you conveniently want to forget that arrogant out of touch posh boys of the Tories made a huge issue about saving UK's AAA credit ratings, which under them have now gone into smoke. Just like many big name retailers from high streets along with another 800 jobs which Tesco have announced today. Sadly under Coalition even the food has become fake, people are paying for beef burgers but are fed pony burgers, in some cases sourced from animals which were given bute. And ministers are still saying eating those is safe. Didn't certain Tory also said the same in 1980s when we were warning about mad cow disease? Do you really expect us the people to forget massive advertising by Tories promising to look after the NHS? And us not to notice while reducing the tax rate for super rich how ConDem Coalition of self serving unprincipled opportunists is trying to choke the life out of NHS by dictating cuts?[/p][/quote]You are a serlf opiniated bore!"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! colorado kid
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9:43pm Tue 26 Feb 13

colorado kid says...

Oh,forgot to mention,you will come fourth on Thursday.
Oh,forgot to mention,you will come fourth on Thursday. colorado kid
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11:33pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Pikey-Biker says...

colorado kid wrote:
****-Biker wrote:
colorado kid wrote: Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.
I think you will find Michael Brown was a Tory
No you are wrong he was a Lib Dem and was put away for 7 years.
oh that michael brown but he wasn't an MP
[quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]****-Biker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.[/p][/quote]I think you will find Michael Brown was a Tory[/p][/quote]No you are wrong he was a Lib Dem and was put away for 7 years.[/p][/quote]oh that michael brown but he wasn't an MP Pikey-Biker
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11:37pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Pikey-Biker says...

LancashireLad wrote:
So what do you want good people of Eastleigh, more dishonesty, more self interest, more arrogance, more expense fiddling, more political correctness, more open door mass imigration, more pouring billions of £s into the very costly failed EU experiment, more appeasing militant minorities, more unequal one way equality, more thought police, more health and safety, more false green stealth taxes; higher fuel and domestic gas & electricity bills to fund the false quasi global warming new religion, more kicking of the poor, the sick and the disabled, more old people dying in their homes from the cold of winter too frightened to put their heating on because of extortionate 'green necessary prices', more fat cat bankers feeding their fat bank accounts even though they have lost billions of tax payers money, a NHS on its knees unable to cope with the mass influx of people from all over the world, unable to see a doctor a dentist unless you can go private, a two tier education system, public school for the rich and powerful including hypocritical labour and liberal MPs etc ... if you want all of the above to continue then vote for the Liberal Conservatives, or the Liberal Democrats or New Labour, it doesn't matter which they are all the same more or less but if you have had enough of all three then vote for a real change, a new beginning for the nation, vote for Diane James and the UK Independence Party. If Diane wins in Eastleigh it will send shock waves through the London political elite clique.
yep just like brighton turned us all green
[quote][p][bold]LancashireLad[/bold] wrote: So what do you want good people of Eastleigh, more dishonesty, more self interest, more arrogance, more expense fiddling, more political correctness, more open door mass imigration, more pouring billions of £s into the very costly failed EU experiment, more appeasing militant minorities, more unequal one way equality, more thought police, more health and safety, more false green stealth taxes; higher fuel and domestic gas & electricity bills to fund the false quasi global warming new religion, more kicking of the poor, the sick and the disabled, more old people dying in their homes from the cold of winter too frightened to put their heating on because of extortionate 'green necessary prices', more fat cat bankers feeding their fat bank accounts even though they have lost billions of tax payers money, a NHS on its knees unable to cope with the mass influx of people from all over the world, unable to see a doctor a dentist unless you can go private, a two tier education system, public school for the rich and powerful including hypocritical labour and liberal MPs etc ... if you want all of the above to continue then vote for the Liberal Conservatives, or the Liberal Democrats or New Labour, it doesn't matter which they are all the same more or less but if you have had enough of all three then vote for a real change, a new beginning for the nation, vote for Diane James and the UK Independence Party. If Diane wins in Eastleigh it will send shock waves through the London political elite clique.[/p][/quote]yep just like brighton turned us all green Pikey-Biker
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8:19am Wed 27 Feb 13

philgcdr says...

Vote UKIP.org for a sovereign UK outside the EU.
Vote UKIP.org for a sovereign UK outside the EU. philgcdr
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10:48am Wed 27 Feb 13

joeblogs72 says...

******I'm sorry BUT I have voted for Cons & Liebour in the past 2 decades & seeing what I've seen in the news recently I will be voting for no other then UKIP!
1) "Immigration" Cons & liebours way to deal with it is by cutting the Tsunami of them coming in...End of story book closed...Err NOT quite! cutting immigration to tens of thousands is NOT been responsible in any form! immigration should be stopped outright! not reduced? & to assure the public money should be invested to find the illegal's then deport them no questions asked! WHY would the government running one of the most amazingly financially sound countries in the world let illegal murderers and rapists roam their streets?......with immigration I can accept a reducement in the mid 90's but NOT now it's simply gone way too far! & the ONLY party that wants to address this direct is the UKIP! no other party seems to want to be responsible anymore? & whilst the cons & liebours mp's will stand up and state "UKIP is a new party with no experience in running a country" Well i might add this maybe true! BUT let's take a look at the main parties that have had decades of experience & lets look at what they have done with the UK? i rest my case......i would rather offer the chance to a party that has the hunger to do something then a party that has become ignorant on tax & greed..
2) EU/Human rights fiasco, Cons & Liebour want in it's that simple! MP's tell us we need to be in the EU for trade?? REALLY! Well considering its costing the Tax payer over £3 Billion per year for the membership I struggle to see how this relationship gives us much of an advantage when before we start we are Billions in debt to the EU?? Then there is the Human Rights fiasco! COME ON! "Abu Hamza" gets all his rent paid for all his benefits and shouldn't be here & yet the Human Rights bill can be so easily misused by people who shouldn't be in the UK to start with? then there is the foreign murderers who get UK citizenship due to been worried about going back to their country? where is the justice in that? Haven't we all heard enough about immigration and the scandals that surround it? a mother and father from Africa turn up on UK's door with their 8 kids get two council houses next to one another and a people carrier as well as almost £35k in benefits a year yet Joe Blogs who's worked all his life put tens of thousands into the tax kitty gets almost nothing or shown the big finger from the DHSS when he loses his job...? & this is justice??? VOTE UKIP! SAVE OUR COUNRTRY LETS GET IT BACK FROM THE ARISTROCRATS OF EUROPE!
******I'm sorry BUT I have voted for Cons & Liebour in the past 2 decades & seeing what I've seen in the news recently I will be voting for no other then UKIP! 1) "Immigration" Cons & liebours way to deal with it is by cutting the Tsunami of them coming in...End of story book closed...Err NOT quite! cutting immigration to tens of thousands is NOT been responsible in any form! immigration should be stopped outright! not reduced? & to assure the public money should be invested to find the illegal's then deport them no questions asked! WHY would the government running one of the most amazingly financially sound countries in the world let illegal murderers and rapists roam their streets?......with immigration I can accept a reducement in the mid 90's but NOT now it's simply gone way too far! & the ONLY party that wants to address this direct is the UKIP! no other party seems to want to be responsible anymore? & whilst the cons & liebours mp's will stand up and state "UKIP is a new party with no experience in running a country" Well i might add this maybe true! BUT let's take a look at the main parties that have had decades of experience & lets look at what they have done with the UK? i rest my case......i would rather offer the chance to a party that has the hunger to do something then a party that has become ignorant on tax & greed.. 2) EU/Human rights fiasco, Cons & Liebour want in it's that simple! MP's tell us we need to be in the EU for trade?? REALLY! Well considering its costing the Tax payer over £3 Billion per year for the membership I struggle to see how this relationship gives us much of an advantage when before we start we are Billions in debt to the EU?? Then there is the Human Rights fiasco! COME ON! "Abu Hamza" gets all his rent paid for all his benefits and shouldn't be here & yet the Human Rights bill can be so easily misused by people who shouldn't be in the UK to start with? then there is the foreign murderers who get UK citizenship due to been worried about going back to their country? where is the justice in that? Haven't we all heard enough about immigration and the scandals that surround it? a mother and father from Africa turn up on UK's door with their 8 kids get two council houses next to one another and a people carrier as well as almost £35k in benefits a year yet Joe Blogs who's worked all his life put tens of thousands into the tax kitty gets almost nothing or shown the big finger from the DHSS when he loses his job...? & this is justice??? VOTE UKIP! SAVE OUR COUNRTRY LETS GET IT BACK FROM THE ARISTROCRATS OF EUROPE! joeblogs72
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5:28pm Wed 27 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

Is the post above some sort of satire?
Is the post above some sort of satire? cantthinkofone
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7:21pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Dan Soton says...

A question for all the standing candidates.


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Why isn't (Defunct SHA) the South Central Strategic Health Authorities Fluoridation of Eastleigh's water an issue in this By-Election?..


We all know Nu-Labour is for Fluoridation is John O’Farrell?



1) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocate the Fluoridation of all drinking Water.



2) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocates the adding Fluoride to all Milk ( when all Milking Cows will be drinking Fluoridated Water ?)



3) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocates the promotion of Fluoride products in all Schools, Anti-natal sessions etc.


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http://www.sochealth
.co.uk/socialist-hea
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A question for all the standing candidates. - Why isn't (Defunct SHA) the South Central Strategic Health Authorities Fluoridation of Eastleigh's water an issue in this By-Election?.. We all know Nu-Labour is for Fluoridation is John O’Farrell? 1) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocate the Fluoridation of all drinking Water. 2) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocates the adding Fluoride to all Milk ( when all Milking Cows will be drinking Fluoridated Water ?) 3) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocates the promotion of Fluoride products in all Schools, Anti-natal sessions etc. - http://www.sochealth .co.uk/socialist-hea lth-association-poli cy/nhs-policies/prim ary-care-dental-serv ice/ Dan Soton
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7:31pm Wed 27 Feb 13

skin2000 says...

sam1970 wrote:
Give UKIP a chance. This is only a by-election, lets get a UKIP MP in parliament and see what they are made of. If you don't like what they do, vote for someone different in 2015. We have had Lib/Lab/Con for long enough to know what a mess they can make of this Country. Lets try someone new. Make history Eastleigh, and vote in the first ever UKIP member of Parliament.
Ukip are not the answer.....they are a mixture of right wing Tories and a watered down BMP party....they will be worse than the three main parties...if that is possible....I hope the electorate can see through them.
[quote][p][bold]sam1970[/bold] wrote: Give UKIP a chance. This is only a by-election, lets get a UKIP MP in parliament and see what they are made of. If you don't like what they do, vote for someone different in 2015. We have had Lib/Lab/Con for long enough to know what a mess they can make of this Country. Lets try someone new. Make history Eastleigh, and vote in the first ever UKIP member of Parliament.[/p][/quote]Ukip are not the answer.....they are a mixture of right wing Tories and a watered down BMP party....they will be worse than the three main parties...if that is possible....I hope the electorate can see through them. skin2000
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7:57pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Dresnez says...

colorado kid wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
If after not only Huhne affair but even more serious betrayal of most of the promises made by Lib-Dems during last election was not sufficient reasons for voters to avoid touching these cheats even with a barge pole, now latest U Turn by Clegg who has been eventually forced to admit that he was aware of allegations regarding sexual harassment of women within his party should be yet more reason for people to stay away from Lib-Dem more than even plague.

NuLabour's efforts in Eastleigh may be admirable, because they have thrown all they could at Eastleigh.

But if even with Tories and their unprincipled Lib-Dem bed fellows exposing their real fangs while hell bent on stabbing each other in backs, NuLabour candidate can't win then it will only prove:

1: The geeks run campaign based upon manual 'How to lose elections' is to be blamed.

2: Miliband's fib that NuLabour is dead has failed to fool the people, who dislike NuLabour but remain loyal to The Labour Party's values

3: Decision of national leadership to ignore suitable life long highly experienced and known for hard work member from short list of candidates because they wanted to rig the selection in favour of people from media world to have more clones of Mandelson in parliament was very wrong.

Any way the poll that really matters will be held on Thursday.

So only hope voters won't vote for Coalition partners responsible for messing UK's credit ratings or for party which coordinates with ultra right M Le Pen of France.
You are quite a comedian,anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that Nulabour got us into the financial mess we are in now,it took them 13 years this time, normally it takes them one term,so they are improving on conning the UK electorate,however with this moron O'farrell they have absolutely no chance of winning but every chance of coming fourth.
Oh well how can anyone want to support the Tory candidate who has twice avoided the question time type of hustings knowing she would not stand up to any kind of scrutiny.

Never voted Labour in my but I will next time but this old pensioner will next time.

This government of U Turns is following the economics that caused the great depression in the 1920s, the invisible hand of market forces that devalues your £ and your savings and pensions at an alarming rate.

Then they will tell you it is your fault you didn't save enough for your old age.

UKIP want a flat rate of income tax of 31% for all and abolish NI. Pensioners will therefore have a hike of 11% on their income tax, since they don't pay NI.

LibDems have policies to punish the elderly as well, not that you can take too much notice of what they say in their manifesto, mind Tories have done as they please and wouldn't have got elected If they had said they were going to re-organise and privatise the NHS.

So that leaves either an independent candidate or Labour.

Unless we all want to become seriously impoverished, I can see no reason to vote Tory, LibDems or UKIP. Their policies are not working for the majority.
[quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: If after not only Huhne affair but even more serious betrayal of most of the promises made by Lib-Dems during last election was not sufficient reasons for voters to avoid touching these cheats even with a barge pole, now latest U Turn by Clegg who has been eventually forced to admit that he was aware of allegations regarding sexual harassment of women within his party should be yet more reason for people to stay away from Lib-Dem more than even plague. NuLabour's efforts in Eastleigh may be admirable, because they have thrown all they could at Eastleigh. But if even with Tories and their unprincipled Lib-Dem bed fellows exposing their real fangs while hell bent on stabbing each other in backs, NuLabour candidate can't win then it will only prove: 1: The geeks run campaign based upon manual 'How to lose elections' is to be blamed. 2: Miliband's fib that NuLabour is dead has failed to fool the people, who dislike NuLabour but remain loyal to The Labour Party's values 3: Decision of national leadership to ignore suitable life long highly experienced and known for hard work member from short list of candidates because they wanted to rig the selection in favour of people from media world to have more clones of Mandelson in parliament was very wrong. Any way the poll that really matters will be held on Thursday. So only hope voters won't vote for Coalition partners responsible for messing UK's credit ratings or for party which coordinates with ultra right M Le Pen of France.[/p][/quote]You are quite a comedian,anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that Nulabour got us into the financial mess we are in now,it took them 13 years this time, normally it takes them one term,so they are improving on conning the UK electorate,however with this moron O'farrell they have absolutely no chance of winning but every chance of coming fourth.[/p][/quote]Oh well how can anyone want to support the Tory candidate who has twice avoided the question time type of hustings knowing she would not stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Never voted Labour in my but I will next time but this old pensioner will next time. This government of U Turns is following the economics that caused the great depression in the 1920s, the invisible hand of market forces that devalues your £ and your savings and pensions at an alarming rate. Then they will tell you it is your fault you didn't save enough for your old age. UKIP want a flat rate of income tax of 31% for all and abolish NI. Pensioners will therefore have a hike of 11% on their income tax, since they don't pay NI. LibDems have policies to punish the elderly as well, not that you can take too much notice of what they say in their manifesto, mind Tories have done as they please and wouldn't have got elected If they had said they were going to re-organise and privatise the NHS. So that leaves either an independent candidate or Labour. Unless we all want to become seriously impoverished, I can see no reason to vote Tory, LibDems or UKIP. Their policies are not working for the majority. Dresnez
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8:33pm Wed 27 Feb 13

colorado kid says...

What are you hyperactive,you are going to come fourth.Deal with it and stop spouting a load of rubbish everyday!!!!!!!!!
What are you hyperactive,you are going to come fourth.Deal with it and stop spouting a load of rubbish everyday!!!!!!!!! colorado kid
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8:53pm Wed 27 Feb 13

LancashireLad says...

Eastleigh Latest betting odds Lib Dems 1/3, Conservative 9/2, UKIP 5/1, Labour 100/1 any other 200/1
Eastleigh Latest betting odds Lib Dems 1/3, Conservative 9/2, UKIP 5/1, Labour 100/1 any other 200/1 LancashireLad
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9:34pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Shoong says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Huffter wrote:
One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country.
There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.
Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year.
If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election.
If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election
.. absolute twaddle, yet again.

We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop.

You need to stop fantasising.
Free you do not take into account the full process.
let me explain in simple easy terms for you seeing under stand little.

a vote of no-cofindence comes in 2 parts, the first part when it comes up would be at a timing when the MP chooses, and a good tactian will pick a time when there are a small amount of MP's in the commons, Like when most of the Torys and Lib/Dems are at comittee meeting, or not turned up for the day, it would be a day when the Labour have the majority for it to pass the first stage. If they get what they want then the Speaker sets a date for the vote, when all MP's gets notice for the vote, its at this stage where all MP's get a vote, the Torys will need 50% of the vote to stay in office, (A 49% vote would be touch and go on the speakers vote) The Torys do not have enough MP's to make sure of 50% vote, they need to rely on the Lib/Dems vote also, and here where the main problem is for the Torys, Any Tory MP that are disgruntted to what there leadership is doing they will abstain from voting, and there is a few of them all ready, the bigger problem for this government is in the Lib/Dem, not all of the lib/dems agrees with this pack with the torys, and there are those that think clegg sold the party out over uni fees and other issues, and there are those that disagree with the cut measures that Cameron is doing, and there are those that will want to save face with its voters, you will a fair number here voting against the Torys and this pack and you will get a number abstaining.
That would be enough to call an early general election.
Labour only need to win 2 more seats to force a vote of no confidence though at the start of the 5 year term of office. (Andy and my self when though all of it when the Torys change the ruling from 50-50 to 51-49% in there favour back in 2010, and you know very little compair with Andy). Labour as all ready taking 1 of the 2 seats all ready this one could be the second one that is needed, and then they could go for that vote of no confidence.
.. absolute fantasy. You haven't got a clue about politics, have you?

Turkeys DON'T vote for Christmas.
ALL the LibDems want a 5 year parliament.
NONE of the Tories will vote against their government on a confidence vote.

Callaghan's MINORITY government fell to a confidence vote in 1979. The previous successful vote was in 1924, again with no party in overall control.

This coalition has 359 MP's at present.
All others have 287 plus 2 vacancies.

I know your maths is atrocious, but even you should be able to work it out from these statistics.

As I say, you really do need to stop fantasising on this website, it does your case no favours.
Yes they might have 390 MP's, but figures like this mean nothing when it comes to a vote of no confidence, this pack could turn against each other easy.
And maths do not come into it, its how the MP's feels, and like I said there will be Tory MP's that will abstain from voting, but unlikely any Tory will vote with the opposition, but when it comes to the Lib/Dem that will be a big diffence matter her your not only going to get Lib/Dems abstaining, your going to get some of them voting with Labour, and this is what your maths can not take into account the veribles.
.. absolute boll0cks. I don't like this coalition but I do recognise reality.

Neither the LibDems nor Tories (and that's ALL of them) want to see this coalition fall before May 2015. SO IT WON'T, full stop. Get that into your head.

Want to offer me a bet against that?
It *could* do though.

All we need is enough pitchforks and burning torches.
More pills for Peter.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: One MP more or less won't make any difference to the government of this country. It's a by-election, not a general election and the people of Eastleigh need to think about who will be representing them, not the country. There have been more clowns in Eastleigh in the last week than ever graced the ring of Billy Smart's Circus.[/p][/quote]Its a very important by-election, its a government coalition seat up for gabs, and if the right person is selected it could mean an early general election will happen this year. If the vote go's to a Tory, Lib/Dem, UKIP or the NHA then they will vote with the Government should a vote of no confidence come up, but a Labour or TUSC win here would mean a vote against the Government in a vote of no confidence, The Torys have all ready lost 1 by-election to Labour, 2 was needed, and this one could swing it in the favour for an early General Election, (theres another by-election coming up in Camden Town in early March). A vote of no-confidence comes in to parts, first part all about timing when there is the lest amount of MP's in the commons where most of the MP's will favour a early election, the second part is the harder part, the party in power will only need 49% of the vote and less and its an early election, this part will come down to the Tory MP that disagree with its leadership and will abstain for voting, and Lib/Dems that will be out to save face with the voters, where you will get those that will against or abstain, which could be enough to bring this government to its knees and set a date for a early general election. If any of those 4 partys win we will have to wait a bit longer, till the next Tory or Lib/Dem seat up for a by-election[/p][/quote].. absolute twaddle, yet again. We've been through all this before. It doesn't matter who wins on Thursday, there will NOT be a vote of no confidence this parliament. The numbers don't stack up, and never will. The next general election will be May 2015, full stop. You need to stop fantasising.[/p][/quote]Free you do not take into account the full process. let me explain in simple easy terms for you seeing under stand little. a vote of no-cofindence comes in 2 parts, the first part when it comes up would be at a timing when the MP chooses, and a good tactian will pick a time when there are a small amount of MP's in the commons, Like when most of the Torys and Lib/Dems are at comittee meeting, or not turned up for the day, it would be a day when the Labour have the majority for it to pass the first stage. If they get what they want then the Speaker sets a date for the vote, when all MP's gets notice for the vote, its at this stage where all MP's get a vote, the Torys will need 50% of the vote to stay in office, (A 49% vote would be touch and go on the speakers vote) The Torys do not have enough MP's to make sure of 50% vote, they need to rely on the Lib/Dems vote also, and here where the main problem is for the Torys, Any Tory MP that are disgruntted to what there leadership is doing they will abstain from voting, and there is a few of them all ready, the bigger problem for this government is in the Lib/Dem, not all of the lib/dems agrees with this pack with the torys, and there are those that think clegg sold the party out over uni fees and other issues, and there are those that disagree with the cut measures that Cameron is doing, and there are those that will want to save face with its voters, you will a fair number here voting against the Torys and this pack and you will get a number abstaining. That would be enough to call an early general election. Labour only need to win 2 more seats to force a vote of no confidence though at the start of the 5 year term of office. (Andy and my self when though all of it when the Torys change the ruling from 50-50 to 51-49% in there favour back in 2010, and you know very little compair with Andy). Labour as all ready taking 1 of the 2 seats all ready this one could be the second one that is needed, and then they could go for that vote of no confidence.[/p][/quote].. absolute fantasy. You haven't got a clue about politics, have you? Turkeys DON'T vote for Christmas. ALL the LibDems want a 5 year parliament. NONE of the Tories will vote against their government on a confidence vote. Callaghan's MINORITY government fell to a confidence vote in 1979. The previous successful vote was in 1924, again with no party in overall control. This coalition has 359 MP's at present. All others have 287 plus 2 vacancies. I know your maths is atrocious, but even you should be able to work it out from these statistics. As I say, you really do need to stop fantasising on this website, it does your case no favours.[/p][/quote]Yes they might have 390 MP's, but figures like this mean nothing when it comes to a vote of no confidence, this pack could turn against each other easy. And maths do not come into it, its how the MP's feels, and like I said there will be Tory MP's that will abstain from voting, but unlikely any Tory will vote with the opposition, but when it comes to the Lib/Dem that will be a big diffence matter her your not only going to get Lib/Dems abstaining, your going to get some of them voting with Labour, and this is what your maths can not take into account the veribles.[/p][/quote].. absolute boll0cks. I don't like this coalition but I do recognise reality. Neither the LibDems nor Tories (and that's ALL of them) want to see this coalition fall before May 2015. SO IT WON'T, full stop. Get that into your head. Want to offer me a bet against that?[/p][/quote]It *could* do though. All we need is enough pitchforks and burning torches.[/p][/quote]More pills for Peter. Shoong
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11:38am Thu 28 Feb 13

Pikey-Biker says...

colorado kid wrote:
kingnotail wrote:
colorado kid wrote: Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.
I suggest you look up Easleigh's last Tory MP, Stephen Milligan if you want the epitome of political sleaze. Not excusing any of the Lib Dems you mentioned, but singling out Lib Dems is a little unfair.
Sorry but Stephen Milligan was a saddo but he did not inflict his bizarre behaviour on anybody else unlike some of the Lib Dems mentioned.
like whom?
[quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.[/p][/quote]I suggest you look up Easleigh's last Tory MP, Stephen Milligan if you want the epitome of political sleaze. Not excusing any of the Lib Dems you mentioned, but singling out Lib Dems is a little unfair.[/p][/quote]Sorry but Stephen Milligan was a saddo but he did not inflict his bizarre behaviour on anybody else unlike some of the Lib Dems mentioned.[/p][/quote]like whom? Pikey-Biker
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12:34pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
A question for all the standing candidates.


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Why isn't (Defunct SHA) the South Central Strategic Health Authorities Fluoridation of Eastleigh's water an issue in this By-Election?..


We all know Nu-Labour is for Fluoridation is John O’Farrell?



1) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocate the Fluoridation of all drinking Water.



2) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocates the adding Fluoride to all Milk ( when all Milking Cows will be drinking Fluoridated Water ?)



3) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocates the promotion of Fluoride products in all Schools, Anti-natal sessions etc.


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http://www.sochealth

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IT'S FINALLY POLLING DAY IN THE EASTLEIGH BY-ELECTION

Updated 11:06am Thursday 28th February 2013

10:23am

THE FLUORIDE PROTEST MARCH IS UNDERWAY AND ORGANSIERS ARE ANTICIPATING AS MANY AS 200 PEOPLE TAKING TO THE STREETS OF EASTLEIGH...

10:18am.

Just when you thought the protest marches were over, members of Hampshire Against Fluoridation are currently gathering in Eastleigh to make their voices heard.

They are planning a slow procession through the town to the Masonic Hall in Cranbury Road where voting will be taking place.

Their morning of action comes just weeks after health bosses admitted for the first time they don't expect fluoridation to be in place until 2014 - five years after it was given the green light.

The scheme, aimed at improving dental health, would cover parts of Southampton, Eastleigh, Totton, Netley and Rownhams.

Campaigners say the Strategic Health Authority (SHA) should now "give up" on the delayed project, saying it is "morally and ethically" wrong to fluoridate water while questions remain over its impact.

For all thee fluoride debate see our special section - click here.



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http://www.dailyecho
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[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: A question for all the standing candidates. - Why isn't (Defunct SHA) the South Central Strategic Health Authorities Fluoridation of Eastleigh's water an issue in this By-Election?.. We all know Nu-Labour is for Fluoridation is John O’Farrell? 1) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocate the Fluoridation of all drinking Water. 2) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocates the adding Fluoride to all Milk ( when all Milking Cows will be drinking Fluoridated Water ?) 3) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocates the promotion of Fluoride products in all Schools, Anti-natal sessions etc. - http://www.sochealth .co.uk/socialist-hea lth-association-poli cy/nhs-policies/prim ary-care-dental-serv ice/[/p][/quote]IT'S FINALLY POLLING DAY IN THE EASTLEIGH BY-ELECTION Updated 11:06am Thursday 28th February 2013 10:23am THE FLUORIDE PROTEST MARCH IS UNDERWAY AND ORGANSIERS ARE ANTICIPATING AS MANY AS 200 PEOPLE TAKING TO THE STREETS OF EASTLEIGH... 10:18am. Just when you thought the protest marches were over, members of Hampshire Against Fluoridation are currently gathering in Eastleigh to make their voices heard. They are planning a slow procession through the town to the Masonic Hall in Cranbury Road where voting will be taking place. Their morning of action comes just weeks after health bosses admitted for the first time they don't expect fluoridation to be in place until 2014 - five years after it was given the green light. The scheme, aimed at improving dental health, would cover parts of Southampton, Eastleigh, Totton, Netley and Rownhams. Campaigners say the Strategic Health Authority (SHA) should now "give up" on the delayed project, saying it is "morally and ethically" wrong to fluoridate water while questions remain over its impact. For all thee fluoride debate see our special section - click here. - http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10257397 .It_s_finally_pollin g_day_in_the_Eastlei gh_by_election/ Dan Soton
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3:21pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Pikey-Biker says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote: A question for all the standing candidates. - Why isn't (Defunct SHA) the South Central Strategic Health Authorities Fluoridation of Eastleigh's water an issue in this By-Election?.. We all know Nu-Labour is for Fluoridation is John O’Farrell? 1) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocate the Fluoridation of all drinking Water. 2) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocates the adding Fluoride to all Milk ( when all Milking Cows will be drinking Fluoridated Water ?) 3) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocates the promotion of Fluoride products in all Schools, Anti-natal sessions etc. - http://www.sochealth .co.uk/socialist-hea lth-association-poli cy/nhs-policies/prim ary-care-dental-serv ice/
IT'S FINALLY POLLING DAY IN THE EASTLEIGH BY-ELECTION Updated 11:06am Thursday 28th February 2013 10:23am THE FLUORIDE PROTEST MARCH IS UNDERWAY AND ORGANSIERS ARE ANTICIPATING AS MANY AS 200 PEOPLE TAKING TO THE STREETS OF EASTLEIGH... 10:18am. Just when you thought the protest marches were over, members of Hampshire Against Fluoridation are currently gathering in Eastleigh to make their voices heard. They are planning a slow procession through the town to the Masonic Hall in Cranbury Road where voting will be taking place. Their morning of action comes just weeks after health bosses admitted for the first time they don't expect fluoridation to be in place until 2014 - five years after it was given the green light. The scheme, aimed at improving dental health, would cover parts of Southampton, Eastleigh, Totton, Netley and Rownhams. Campaigners say the Strategic Health Authority (SHA) should now "give up" on the delayed project, saying it is "morally and ethically" wrong to fluoridate water while questions remain over its impact. For all thee fluoride debate see our special section - click here. - http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10257397 .It_s_finally_pollin g_day_in_the_Eastlei gh_by_election/
if I only knew earlier.......
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: A question for all the standing candidates. - Why isn't (Defunct SHA) the South Central Strategic Health Authorities Fluoridation of Eastleigh's water an issue in this By-Election?.. We all know Nu-Labour is for Fluoridation is John O’Farrell? 1) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocate the Fluoridation of all drinking Water. 2) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocates the adding Fluoride to all Milk ( when all Milking Cows will be drinking Fluoridated Water ?) 3) Labour Party's Socialist Health Association advocates the promotion of Fluoride products in all Schools, Anti-natal sessions etc. - http://www.sochealth .co.uk/socialist-hea lth-association-poli cy/nhs-policies/prim ary-care-dental-serv ice/[/p][/quote]IT'S FINALLY POLLING DAY IN THE EASTLEIGH BY-ELECTION Updated 11:06am Thursday 28th February 2013 10:23am THE FLUORIDE PROTEST MARCH IS UNDERWAY AND ORGANSIERS ARE ANTICIPATING AS MANY AS 200 PEOPLE TAKING TO THE STREETS OF EASTLEIGH... 10:18am. Just when you thought the protest marches were over, members of Hampshire Against Fluoridation are currently gathering in Eastleigh to make their voices heard. They are planning a slow procession through the town to the Masonic Hall in Cranbury Road where voting will be taking place. Their morning of action comes just weeks after health bosses admitted for the first time they don't expect fluoridation to be in place until 2014 - five years after it was given the green light. The scheme, aimed at improving dental health, would cover parts of Southampton, Eastleigh, Totton, Netley and Rownhams. Campaigners say the Strategic Health Authority (SHA) should now "give up" on the delayed project, saying it is "morally and ethically" wrong to fluoridate water while questions remain over its impact. For all thee fluoride debate see our special section - click here. - http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10257397 .It_s_finally_pollin g_day_in_the_Eastlei gh_by_election/[/p][/quote]if I only knew earlier....... Pikey-Biker
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8:21pm Thu 28 Feb 13

colorado kid says...

****-Biker wrote:
colorado kid wrote:
kingnotail wrote:
colorado kid wrote: Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.
I suggest you look up Easleigh's last Tory MP, Stephen Milligan if you want the epitome of political sleaze. Not excusing any of the Lib Dems you mentioned, but singling out Lib Dems is a little unfair.
Sorry but Stephen Milligan was a saddo but he did not inflict his bizarre behaviour on anybody else unlike some of the Lib Dems mentioned.
like whom?
Cyril Smith and Lord Rennard to name 2.
[quote][p][bold]****-Biker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]colorado kid[/bold] wrote: Now you mention it the Lib Dems do seem to have an odd lot of individuals acting as MP's and Lords representing them in the House of Lords.This distasteful lot are historical and current so their track record is not good.I will just refresh your memories of some of these individuals,if you are not sure of their various misdemeanors I suggest that you google them,Sir Cyril Smith,David Laws,Mark Oaten,Michael Brown,Chris Hulne,Lord Rennard ect,ect,ect.Quite a manky lot really,they really have not changed much over the years,do not let them con you anymore.[/p][/quote]I suggest you look up Easleigh's last Tory MP, Stephen Milligan if you want the epitome of political sleaze. Not excusing any of the Lib Dems you mentioned, but singling out Lib Dems is a little unfair.[/p][/quote]Sorry but Stephen Milligan was a saddo but he did not inflict his bizarre behaviour on anybody else unlike some of the Lib Dems mentioned.[/p][/quote]like whom?[/p][/quote]Cyril Smith and Lord Rennard to name 2. colorado kid
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7:32am Fri 1 Mar 13

Pikey-Biker says...

True, but one has been dead for over 2 years and the crimes were over 40 years old
True, but one has been dead for over 2 years and the crimes were over 40 years old Pikey-Biker
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4:36pm Sun 3 Mar 13

LancashireLad says...

A fantastic result for UKip and Diane James well done the people of Eastleigh for having the courage to back the only mainstream party who doesn't follow politically correct liberal values. This is yet another giant step in the rise and rise of the UK Independence party as more and more people reject the liberal Conservatives, and the wishy washy liberal dems ( both down 14% on 2010 vote) and the champagne socialists a very poor showing on a miserly 4,000 votes.( You should have stayed away Balls, Miliband & Harperson... I think their visit decreased the New Labour vote!) If it hadn't been for the massive postal vote which represented nearly ( 14,000 votes the lion's share going to the Lib Dems and the Tories who built this up over recent years) There can be no doubt that UKip won the election on the day, but unfortunately were not as well established here yet, nor had time to get their message across before many of the postal votes had already been posted. But UKip definately had the momentum and another week or more would have won despite the postal vote being so much against them. Let's hope the posh boys otherwise known as 'liberal Conservatives progressives: Cameron & Osborne; lets hope their days are numbered otherwise they can expect a hamering in up coming elections. ( As Nigel Farage said tounge-in- cheek pity the Tories stood in Eastleigh as UKip would have won by a mile if the tories hadn't split the right of centre vote); not that the tories have many such voters left as they defect in droves to Ukip. Thank you once again good people of Eastleigh for giving a clear message to the metropolitan political elite: Let's hope these arrogant posh professional politicians of Westminster are listening.
A fantastic result for UKip and Diane James well done the people of Eastleigh for having the courage to back the only mainstream party who doesn't follow politically correct liberal values. This is yet another giant step in the rise and rise of the UK Independence party as more and more people reject the liberal Conservatives, and the wishy washy liberal dems ( both down 14% on 2010 vote) and the champagne socialists a very poor showing on a miserly 4,000 votes.( You should have stayed away Balls, Miliband & Harperson... I think their visit decreased the New Labour vote!) If it hadn't been for the massive postal vote which represented nearly ( 14,000 votes the lion's share going to the Lib Dems and the Tories who built this up over recent years) There can be no doubt that UKip won the election on the day, but unfortunately were not as well established here yet, nor had time to get their message across before many of the postal votes had already been posted. But UKip definately had the momentum and another week or more would have won despite the postal vote being so much against them. Let's hope the posh boys otherwise known as 'liberal Conservatives progressives: Cameron & Osborne; lets hope their days are numbered otherwise they can expect a hamering in up coming elections. ( As Nigel Farage said tounge-in- cheek pity the Tories stood in Eastleigh as UKip would have won by a mile if the tories hadn't split the right of centre vote); not that the tories have many such voters left as they defect in droves to Ukip. Thank you once again good people of Eastleigh for giving a clear message to the metropolitan political elite: Let's hope these arrogant posh professional politicians of Westminster are listening. LancashireLad
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12:43pm Tue 5 Mar 13

Pikey-Biker says...

LancashireLad wrote:
A fantastic result for UKip and Diane James well done the people of Eastleigh for having the courage to back the only mainstream party who doesn't follow politically correct liberal values. This is yet another giant step in the rise and rise of the UK Independence party as more and more people reject the liberal Conservatives, and the wishy washy liberal dems ( both down 14% on 2010 vote) and the champagne socialists a very poor showing on a miserly 4,000 votes.( You should have stayed away Balls, Miliband & Harperson... I think their visit decreased the New Labour vote!) If it hadn't been for the massive postal vote which represented nearly ( 14,000 votes the lion's share going to the Lib Dems and the Tories who built this up over recent years) There can be no doubt that UKip won the election on the day, but unfortunately were not as well established here yet, nor had time to get their message across before many of the postal votes had already been posted. But UKip definately had the momentum and another week or more would have won despite the postal vote being so much against them. Let's hope the posh boys otherwise known as 'liberal Conservatives progressives: Cameron & Osborne; lets hope their days are numbered otherwise they can expect a hamering in up coming elections. ( As Nigel Farage said tounge-in- cheek pity the Tories stood in Eastleigh as UKip would have won by a mile if the tories hadn't split the right of centre vote); not that the tories have many such voters left as they defect in droves to Ukip. Thank you once again good people of Eastleigh for giving a clear message to the metropolitan political elite: Let's hope these arrogant posh professional politicians of Westminster are listening.
Simply a protest vote it will be different in 2015
[quote][p][bold]LancashireLad[/bold] wrote: A fantastic result for UKip and Diane James well done the people of Eastleigh for having the courage to back the only mainstream party who doesn't follow politically correct liberal values. This is yet another giant step in the rise and rise of the UK Independence party as more and more people reject the liberal Conservatives, and the wishy washy liberal dems ( both down 14% on 2010 vote) and the champagne socialists a very poor showing on a miserly 4,000 votes.( You should have stayed away Balls, Miliband & Harperson... I think their visit decreased the New Labour vote!) If it hadn't been for the massive postal vote which represented nearly ( 14,000 votes the lion's share going to the Lib Dems and the Tories who built this up over recent years) There can be no doubt that UKip won the election on the day, but unfortunately were not as well established here yet, nor had time to get their message across before many of the postal votes had already been posted. But UKip definately had the momentum and another week or more would have won despite the postal vote being so much against them. Let's hope the posh boys otherwise known as 'liberal Conservatives progressives: Cameron & Osborne; lets hope their days are numbered otherwise they can expect a hamering in up coming elections. ( As Nigel Farage said tounge-in- cheek pity the Tories stood in Eastleigh as UKip would have won by a mile if the tories hadn't split the right of centre vote); not that the tories have many such voters left as they defect in droves to Ukip. Thank you once again good people of Eastleigh for giving a clear message to the metropolitan political elite: Let's hope these arrogant posh professional politicians of Westminster are listening.[/p][/quote]Simply a protest vote it will be different in 2015 Pikey-Biker
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