Southampton Itchen MP John Denham accuses Liverpool

Southampton Itchen MP John Denham

Southampton Itchen MP John Denham

First published in Politics

Southampton’S cruise business rival has been accused of breaking the law after launching its first turnaround voyage last night.

City MP John Denham accused Liverpool of jumping the gun by starting a cruise less than a week after the Government said restrictions on the city would be lifted if it paid back public cash used to build a new terminal.

Shipping minister Mike Penning said the city would no longer be limited to offering calling cruises if it makes a one-off payment of £8.8m, or £12.6m over 15 years.

Despite him adding that the removal of the restriction by the Government would depend on the European Commission granting state aid clearance, as £8.6m of European cash was used to build it, last night the 740- passenger Ocean Countess left the terminal.

Labour Southampton Itchen MP Mr Denham said he believes Liverpool should have waited for the official green light before launching turnaround cruises.

He said: “Not until Liverpool has repaid the money and Brussels agreed to it will the restrictions be lifted. Liverpool is certainly going against the restrictions. The rules are there to protect fair competition for everybody.

“Brussels needs to decide if this is legal. If they are breaking the law the Government needs to stop them.”

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12:35pm Wed 30 May 12

The Salv says...

This is typical underhand ways of Scousers. Just didnt realise it was also practised at Council level.
This is typical underhand ways of Scousers. Just didnt realise it was also practised at Council level. The Salv
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12:45pm Wed 30 May 12

loosehead says...

This was on Meridian & the HD version showed MP's Councillors & MEP's saying the exact thing
This was on Meridian & the HD version showed MP's Councillors & MEP's saying the exact thing loosehead
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12:47pm Wed 30 May 12

loosehead says...

MR Smith1 wrote:
Yawn, get over it we have taken over a slight bit of your monopoly.
Yawn! Try posting that on a Dover papers website !
From the amount of MP's & MEP's North & South who found what Liverpool did yesterday as totally illegal watch this space
[quote][p][bold]MR Smith1[/bold] wrote: Yawn, get over it we have taken over a slight bit of your monopoly.[/p][/quote]Yawn! Try posting that on a Dover papers website ! From the amount of MP's & MEP's North & South who found what Liverpool did yesterday as totally illegal watch this space loosehead
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12:48pm Wed 30 May 12

mooky9 says...

MR Smith1 wrote:
Yawn, get over it we have taken over a slight bit of your monopoly.
Maybe but as always you need benfits...
[quote][p][bold]MR Smith1[/bold] wrote: Yawn, get over it we have taken over a slight bit of your monopoly.[/p][/quote]Maybe but as always you need benfits... mooky9
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12:48pm Wed 30 May 12

Chris storey says...

The Salv wrote:
This is typical underhand ways of Scousers. Just didnt realise it was also practised at Council level.
How pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: This is typical underhand ways of Scousers. Just didnt realise it was also practised at Council level.[/p][/quote]How pathetic. Chris storey
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12:53pm Wed 30 May 12

loosehead says...

Chris storey wrote:
The Salv wrote:
This is typical underhand ways of Scousers. Just didnt realise it was also practised at Council level.
How pathetic.
Don't agree with the comment including all scousers.
but your council have acted illegally now & underhanded in the past.
If you could be honest you would agree with me & other posts
[quote][p][bold]Chris storey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Salv[/bold] wrote: This is typical underhand ways of Scousers. Just didnt realise it was also practised at Council level.[/p][/quote]How pathetic.[/p][/quote]Don't agree with the comment including all scousers. but your council have acted illegally now & underhanded in the past. If you could be honest you would agree with me & other posts loosehead
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12:55pm Wed 30 May 12

joenice1 says...

Mr Denham has made a very good point.

Hope action is takern.
Mr Denham has made a very good point. Hope action is takern. joenice1
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12:57pm Wed 30 May 12

apreston says...

Take it that the same MP will campaign for Southampton Container Terminal to repay the cost of upgrading the rail infrastructure for Maritime to Basingstoke after all it was done to get more trade from other port. Level palying field then lets have them and repay the British Tax Payer.
Take it that the same MP will campaign for Southampton Container Terminal to repay the cost of upgrading the rail infrastructure for Maritime to Basingstoke after all it was done to get more trade from other port. Level palying field then lets have them and repay the British Tax Payer. apreston
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1:00pm Wed 30 May 12

apreston says...

loosehead how can it be illegal to move a ship from one berth to another to load or unload. this is done everyday at any port you care to mention.
loosehead how can it be illegal to move a ship from one berth to another to load or unload. this is done everyday at any port you care to mention. apreston
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1:02pm Wed 30 May 12

mikmmm says...

Dear oh dear people of Southampton,and especially your MP, who object to the Great City of Liverpool's new Terminal,please get a life & get over it! It's happened and that's that!Most Southampton people are happy with it,so please lets all share the bounty of visitors to your fair City as well as Liverpool's!
Dear oh dear people of Southampton,and especially your MP, who object to the Great City of Liverpool's new Terminal,please get a life & get over it! It's happened and that's that!Most Southampton people are happy with it,so please lets all share the bounty of visitors to your fair City as well as Liverpool's! mikmmm
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1:17pm Wed 30 May 12

MR Smith1 says...

mooky9 wrote:
MR Smith1 wrote: Yawn, get over it we have taken over a slight bit of your monopoly.
Maybe but as always you need benfits...
Do you mean benefits?
[quote][p][bold]mooky9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MR Smith1[/bold] wrote: Yawn, get over it we have taken over a slight bit of your monopoly.[/p][/quote]Maybe but as always you need benfits...[/p][/quote]Do you mean benefits? MR Smith1
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1:34pm Wed 30 May 12

loosehead says...

apreston wrote:
Take it that the same MP will campaign for Southampton Container Terminal to repay the cost of upgrading the rail infrastructure for Maritime to Basingstoke after all it was done to get more trade from other port. Level palying field then lets have them and repay the British Tax Payer.
Exactly the same time you pay back for the dredging?
[quote][p][bold]apreston[/bold] wrote: Take it that the same MP will campaign for Southampton Container Terminal to repay the cost of upgrading the rail infrastructure for Maritime to Basingstoke after all it was done to get more trade from other port. Level palying field then lets have them and repay the British Tax Payer.[/p][/quote]Exactly the same time you pay back for the dredging? loosehead
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1:58pm Wed 30 May 12

Robert.b says...

This is so funny they are wounded toys out of the pram time.
This is so funny they are wounded toys out of the pram time. Robert.b
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2:05pm Wed 30 May 12

Robert.b says...

Could you imagine the French or Germans going to Brussels to complain about another part of their counrty getting a small grant its a joke.
Could you imagine the French or Germans going to Brussels to complain about another part of their counrty getting a small grant its a joke. Robert.b
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2:23pm Wed 30 May 12

Condor Man says...

As the song went "too much too little too late". It's a pity Denham never paid attention to Southampton during his patchy spell in Government. He should have been defending local interests when it was clear what Liverpool were doing.
As the song went "too much too little too late". It's a pity Denham never paid attention to Southampton during his patchy spell in Government. He should have been defending local interests when it was clear what Liverpool were doing. Condor Man
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3:44pm Wed 30 May 12

arizonan says...

When are you people going to give it up.
The people have spoken.
Here are three unbiased, i.e., not from Liverpool, comments, made yesterday by 3 of the first passengers to use the Liverpool Cruise Terminal.
Mike Riley, from Bradford said,'It'll be good to have a proper facility up north as its a lot more convenient.
Its also good for Liverpool as it will encourage more cruise ships to come here.'
Lee Horton from Heywood, near Manchester said,' We're highly honoured to be the first people to use the new facility. We've been following it on the local news and we'll definitely be using it again.'
And Chris Mooney, from Huddersfield said,'It seems very well organised and will be a real asset to Liverpool, why on earth do you want to go to Southampton?.
The customer is always right.
When are you people going to give it up. The people have spoken. Here are three unbiased, i.e., not from Liverpool, comments, made yesterday by 3 of the first passengers to use the Liverpool Cruise Terminal. Mike Riley, from Bradford said,'It'll be good to have a proper facility up north as its a lot more convenient. Its also good for Liverpool as it will encourage more cruise ships to come here.' Lee Horton from Heywood, near Manchester said,' We're highly honoured to be the first people to use the new facility. We've been following it on the local news and we'll definitely be using it again.' And Chris Mooney, from Huddersfield said,'It seems very well organised and will be a real asset to Liverpool, why on earth do you want to go to Southampton?. The customer is always right. arizonan
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3:56pm Wed 30 May 12

hulla baloo says...

arizonan wrote:
When are you people going to give it up.
The people have spoken.
Here are three unbiased, i.e., not from Liverpool, comments, made yesterday by 3 of the first passengers to use the Liverpool Cruise Terminal.
Mike Riley, from Bradford said,'It'll be good to have a proper facility up north as its a lot more convenient.
Its also good for Liverpool as it will encourage more cruise ships to come here.'
Lee Horton from Heywood, near Manchester said,' We're highly honoured to be the first people to use the new facility. We've been following it on the local news and we'll definitely be using it again.'
And Chris Mooney, from Huddersfield said,'It seems very well organised and will be a real asset to Liverpool, why on earth do you want to go to Southampton?.
The customer is always right.
All Northeners I see. Now ask the same questions to somebody travelling from Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: When are you people going to give it up. The people have spoken. Here are three unbiased, i.e., not from Liverpool, comments, made yesterday by 3 of the first passengers to use the Liverpool Cruise Terminal. Mike Riley, from Bradford said,'It'll be good to have a proper facility up north as its a lot more convenient. Its also good for Liverpool as it will encourage more cruise ships to come here.' Lee Horton from Heywood, near Manchester said,' We're highly honoured to be the first people to use the new facility. We've been following it on the local news and we'll definitely be using it again.' And Chris Mooney, from Huddersfield said,'It seems very well organised and will be a real asset to Liverpool, why on earth do you want to go to Southampton?. The customer is always right.[/p][/quote]All Northeners I see. Now ask the same questions to somebody travelling from Brighton. hulla baloo
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3:59pm Wed 30 May 12

MR Smith1 says...

hulla baloo wrote:
arizonan wrote: When are you people going to give it up. The people have spoken. Here are three unbiased, i.e., not from Liverpool, comments, made yesterday by 3 of the first passengers to use the Liverpool Cruise Terminal. Mike Riley, from Bradford said,'It'll be good to have a proper facility up north as its a lot more convenient. Its also good for Liverpool as it will encourage more cruise ships to come here.' Lee Horton from Heywood, near Manchester said,' We're highly honoured to be the first people to use the new facility. We've been following it on the local news and we'll definitely be using it again.' And Chris Mooney, from Huddersfield said,'It seems very well organised and will be a real asset to Liverpool, why on earth do you want to go to Southampton?. The customer is always right.
All Northeners I see. Now ask the same questions to somebody travelling from Brighton.
Why would they travel from Brighton to Liverpool, they would use Southampton and will continue too. This is the point!
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: When are you people going to give it up. The people have spoken. Here are three unbiased, i.e., not from Liverpool, comments, made yesterday by 3 of the first passengers to use the Liverpool Cruise Terminal. Mike Riley, from Bradford said,'It'll be good to have a proper facility up north as its a lot more convenient. Its also good for Liverpool as it will encourage more cruise ships to come here.' Lee Horton from Heywood, near Manchester said,' We're highly honoured to be the first people to use the new facility. We've been following it on the local news and we'll definitely be using it again.' And Chris Mooney, from Huddersfield said,'It seems very well organised and will be a real asset to Liverpool, why on earth do you want to go to Southampton?. The customer is always right.[/p][/quote]All Northeners I see. Now ask the same questions to somebody travelling from Brighton.[/p][/quote]Why would they travel from Brighton to Liverpool, they would use Southampton and will continue too. This is the point! MR Smith1
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4:12pm Wed 30 May 12

loosehead says...

Robert.b wrote:
Could you imagine the French or Germans going to Brussels to complain about another part of their counrty getting a small grant its a joke.
Are you in dream world?
France would be the first to complain like Champagne only being called champagne if grown in France.
France wanted a new Steel Mill built it & then there was a glut in the EU so who shut France? No it was Ravenscraig under the order of the EU.
By christ they would have had you pull the whole thing down.
It's all right quoting a few Notherners on how happy they are about Liverpool.
But how many are using your Hotels?
How many are just driving in getting on the ship cruising & then driving straight home again?
How is this going to bring loads of jobs to Liverpool?
We have had many posts from Northerners on this subject & they love the trip & stay in our city so what we should get them to print their names?
[quote][p][bold]Robert.b[/bold] wrote: Could you imagine the French or Germans going to Brussels to complain about another part of their counrty getting a small grant its a joke.[/p][/quote]Are you in dream world? France would be the first to complain like Champagne only being called champagne if grown in France. France wanted a new Steel Mill built it & then there was a glut in the EU so who shut France? No it was Ravenscraig under the order of the EU. By christ they would have had you pull the whole thing down. It's all right quoting a few Notherners on how happy they are about Liverpool. But how many are using your Hotels? How many are just driving in getting on the ship cruising & then driving straight home again? How is this going to bring loads of jobs to Liverpool? We have had many posts from Northerners on this subject & they love the trip & stay in our city so what we should get them to print their names? loosehead
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5:27pm Wed 30 May 12

arizonan says...

Brighton is not included in the Liverpool catchment area, except if a cruise from Liverpool was exclusive to Liverpool.
The question of Hotel occupancy will have to be answered at a later date, but ALL the hoteliers in Liverpool have indicated that the opening of the Liverpool Cruise Terminal will be a game changer.
ABP must be cringing when they read that comment from the gentleman from Huddersfield.
Brighton is not included in the Liverpool catchment area, except if a cruise from Liverpool was exclusive to Liverpool. The question of Hotel occupancy will have to be answered at a later date, but ALL the hoteliers in Liverpool have indicated that the opening of the Liverpool Cruise Terminal will be a game changer. ABP must be cringing when they read that comment from the gentleman from Huddersfield. arizonan
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5:28pm Wed 30 May 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

loosehead wrote:
Robert.b wrote:
Could you imagine the French or Germans going to Brussels to complain about another part of their counrty getting a small grant its a joke.
Are you in dream world?
France would be the first to complain like Champagne only being called champagne if grown in France.
France wanted a new Steel Mill built it & then there was a glut in the EU so who shut France? No it was Ravenscraig under the order of the EU.
By christ they would have had you pull the whole thing down.
It's all right quoting a few Notherners on how happy they are about Liverpool.
But how many are using your Hotels?
How many are just driving in getting on the ship cruising & then driving straight home again?
How is this going to bring loads of jobs to Liverpool?
We have had many posts from Northerners on this subject & they love the trip & stay in our city so what we should get them to print their names?
Actually good post Loosehead :)

We're not worried about Liverpool doing turn arounds that's not the point, it's the fact that they are doing this before they've got the go ahead to do so, it's arrogant and misguided. Level playing field and that's fine, it's a huge growth industry and enough trade for everyone.

Funnily enough a v. good friend of mine who resides in Liverpool just came down and did a trip over to the IoW and said how wonderful it was !! :D
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert.b[/bold] wrote: Could you imagine the French or Germans going to Brussels to complain about another part of their counrty getting a small grant its a joke.[/p][/quote]Are you in dream world? France would be the first to complain like Champagne only being called champagne if grown in France. France wanted a new Steel Mill built it & then there was a glut in the EU so who shut France? No it was Ravenscraig under the order of the EU. By christ they would have had you pull the whole thing down. It's all right quoting a few Notherners on how happy they are about Liverpool. But how many are using your Hotels? How many are just driving in getting on the ship cruising & then driving straight home again? How is this going to bring loads of jobs to Liverpool? We have had many posts from Northerners on this subject & they love the trip & stay in our city so what we should get them to print their names?[/p][/quote]Actually good post Loosehead :) We're not worried about Liverpool doing turn arounds that's not the point, it's the fact that they are doing this before they've got the go ahead to do so, it's arrogant and misguided. Level playing field and that's fine, it's a huge growth industry and enough trade for everyone. Funnily enough a v. good friend of mine who resides in Liverpool just came down and did a trip over to the IoW and said how wonderful it was !! :D freemantlegirl2
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5:39pm Wed 30 May 12

arizonan says...

Of course the IoW is beautiful, what has that got to do with the Liverpool Cruise Terminal???
Of course the IoW is beautiful, what has that got to do with the Liverpool Cruise Terminal??? arizonan
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6:03pm Wed 30 May 12

julesvern says...

Take it on the chin Southampton. Liverpool is now the second most visited city in the country. Most of the worlds top hotels are here, and are full of people from all over the world. Don't believe what the biased southern press say, Liverpool is very much cosmopolitan. As for Southampton! I suppose winchester is not far away. ps Cunard will come back to it's home.
Take it on the chin Southampton. Liverpool is now the second most visited city in the country. Most of the worlds top hotels are here, and are full of people from all over the world. Don't believe what the biased southern press say, Liverpool is very much cosmopolitan. As for Southampton! I suppose winchester is not far away. ps Cunard will come back to it's home. julesvern
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7:06pm Wed 30 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

One of the most important things for a passenger is to embark and dis-embark in a pleasant and attractive scenario. How many cruise passengers can embark or dis-embark in a " World Heritage Site " and find themselves surround by a breathtaking site within yards of their cruise ship.
A wonderful photograph was published a few years ago now
showing a passenger diving into the swimming pool on one of the super cruise ships moored at the Pier Head, with the three graces ( Liver Building , Cunard Building and the Port of Liverpool Building ) immediately behind them. This wasn't done using photoshop this was REAL.

Its about time that Southampton and other critics got REAL to what Liverpool is like as a destination, not the one they are given by the perverse media in this country ( The Leveson inquiry says a lot about ther media ).

If I can get hold of a copy I will send it to the Daily Echo so that they can have it to illustrate further articles about my wonderful home city.
One of the most important things for a passenger is to embark and dis-embark in a pleasant and attractive scenario. How many cruise passengers can embark or dis-embark in a " World Heritage Site " and find themselves surround by a breathtaking site within yards of their cruise ship. A wonderful photograph was published a few years ago now showing a passenger diving into the swimming pool on one of the super cruise ships moored at the Pier Head, with the three graces ( Liver Building , Cunard Building and the Port of Liverpool Building ) immediately behind them. This wasn't done using photoshop this was REAL. Its about time that Southampton and other critics got REAL to what Liverpool is like as a destination, not the one they are given by the perverse media in this country ( The Leveson inquiry says a lot about ther media ). If I can get hold of a copy I will send it to the Daily Echo so that they can have it to illustrate further articles about my wonderful home city. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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7:38pm Wed 30 May 12

good-gosh says...

Wigan pier managers are watching this closely. Beware!
Wigan pier managers are watching this closely. Beware! good-gosh
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8:03pm Wed 30 May 12

MerseyMart says...

Interesting that John Denham considers Liverpool to be Southampton's cruise rival. Southampton has over 300 cruise liners calling per year, including the three Cunarders, to date we have had one.
This bigging up of Liverpool can't be doing us any harm.
Interesting that John Denham considers Liverpool to be Southampton's cruise rival. Southampton has over 300 cruise liners calling per year, including the three Cunarders, to date we have had one. This bigging up of Liverpool can't be doing us any harm. MerseyMart
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8:22pm Wed 30 May 12

MerseyMart says...

loosehead wrote:
Robert.b wrote:
Could you imagine the French or Germans going to Brussels to complain about another part of their counrty getting a small grant its a joke.
Are you in dream world?
France would be the first to complain like Champagne only being called champagne if grown in France.
France wanted a new Steel Mill built it & then there was a glut in the EU so who shut France? No it was Ravenscraig under the order of the EU.
By christ they would have had you pull the whole thing down.
It's all right quoting a few Notherners on how happy they are about Liverpool.
But how many are using your Hotels?
How many are just driving in getting on the ship cruising & then driving straight home again?
How is this going to bring loads of jobs to Liverpool?
We have had many posts from Northerners on this subject & they love the trip & stay in our city so what we should get them to print their names?
I've been following these comments for months and don't remember any Northerner saying that they love the trip to Southampton.
In fact, that flies in the face of why people enjoy cruising. A cruise liner is a floating hotel which offers something that no other form of transport can - the ability to travel large distances without the need to continually pack and unpack. Why should anybody relish a four hour journey to the south coast when they can be in their hotel and enjoying all the facilities right from the start?

I don't know how many cruise liner passengers will use our hotels but I guess a similar proportion to those that use yours in Southampton and you are guarding this business jealously aren't you?

How is it that you didn't understand that point about the EU? France would fight for every Euro it could get - nobody denies that. What they wouldn't do is fight to have EU money paid back as your newspaper and elected representatives are doing.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert.b[/bold] wrote: Could you imagine the French or Germans going to Brussels to complain about another part of their counrty getting a small grant its a joke.[/p][/quote]Are you in dream world? France would be the first to complain like Champagne only being called champagne if grown in France. France wanted a new Steel Mill built it & then there was a glut in the EU so who shut France? No it was Ravenscraig under the order of the EU. By christ they would have had you pull the whole thing down. It's all right quoting a few Notherners on how happy they are about Liverpool. But how many are using your Hotels? How many are just driving in getting on the ship cruising & then driving straight home again? How is this going to bring loads of jobs to Liverpool? We have had many posts from Northerners on this subject & they love the trip & stay in our city so what we should get them to print their names?[/p][/quote]I've been following these comments for months and don't remember any Northerner saying that they love the trip to Southampton. In fact, that flies in the face of why people enjoy cruising. A cruise liner is a floating hotel which offers something that no other form of transport can - the ability to travel large distances without the need to continually pack and unpack. Why should anybody relish a four hour journey to the south coast when they can be in their hotel and enjoying all the facilities right from the start? I don't know how many cruise liner passengers will use our hotels but I guess a similar proportion to those that use yours in Southampton and you are guarding this business jealously aren't you? How is it that you didn't understand that point about the EU? France would fight for every Euro it could get - nobody denies that. What they wouldn't do is fight to have EU money paid back as your newspaper and elected representatives are doing. MerseyMart
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8:33pm Wed 30 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

Liverpool has waited very patiently for the government to decide if it could have change of use for its river terminal, in fact it has been extremely patient as the decision was due last year.

We have had all the super cruise ships visiting in the last few years including " The World " which is the only private residential community-at-sea where its Residents
may travel the globe without ever leaving home which is back with us next year, ( I believe it will not be calling at Southampton ).
We know the cruise ship companies love coming to Liverpool and we know that some of them will definately base turn-around routes here.
If you want to know what cruise customers want and think then you should go to

http://www.cruises.c


o.uk/673-cruise_chat


/29160-liverpool_cru


ise_terminal.html

After all the cruise lines have to supply what the market wants or people will go to a competitor.
Liverpool has waited very patiently for the government to decide if it could have change of use for its river terminal, in fact it has been extremely patient as the decision was due last year. We have had all the super cruise ships visiting in the last few years including " The World " which is the only private residential community-at-sea where its Residents may travel the globe without ever leaving home which is back with us next year, ( I believe it will not be calling at Southampton ). We know the cruise ship companies love coming to Liverpool and we know that some of them will definately base turn-around routes here. If you want to know what cruise customers want and think then you should go to http://www.cruises.c o.uk/673-cruise_chat /29160-liverpool_cru ise_terminal.html After all the cruise lines have to supply what the market wants or people will go to a competitor. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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8:44pm Wed 30 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

The good people of Southampton only want what is best for your city, I also want what is best for my city.


Please don't accuse anybody of cheating or fraud.My city of which I am extremely proud has done things in a clear, honest and fair way, the result of which has been to have the change of use given by an independent assessor ( similar to having a change of use on a shop or business premises ).

If you feel so angry over this , God only Knows what you make of the long lasting benefits London has gained from the £20 Billion invested in the Olympic facilities paid for by the taxpayers of the whole of this country who did not have a say as to whether this money should be spent. Of course it's alright to spend £20 Billion on the Olympics because they are being held in London ( in the South East ) with a few tit bits held in a few odd area's outside the South of England.
The good people of Southampton only want what is best for your city, I also want what is best for my city. Please don't accuse anybody of cheating or fraud.My city of which I am extremely proud has done things in a clear, honest and fair way, the result of which has been to have the change of use given by an independent assessor ( similar to having a change of use on a shop or business premises ). If you feel so angry over this , God only Knows what you make of the long lasting benefits London has gained from the £20 Billion invested in the Olympic facilities paid for by the taxpayers of the whole of this country who did not have a say as to whether this money should be spent. Of course it's alright to spend £20 Billion on the Olympics because they are being held in London ( in the South East ) with a few tit bits held in a few odd area's outside the South of England. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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9:32pm Wed 30 May 12

loosehead says...

MerseyMart wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Robert.b wrote:
Could you imagine the French or Germans going to Brussels to complain about another part of their counrty getting a small grant its a joke.
Are you in dream world?
France would be the first to complain like Champagne only being called champagne if grown in France.
France wanted a new Steel Mill built it & then there was a glut in the EU so who shut France? No it was Ravenscraig under the order of the EU.
By christ they would have had you pull the whole thing down.
It's all right quoting a few Notherners on how happy they are about Liverpool.
But how many are using your Hotels?
How many are just driving in getting on the ship cruising & then driving straight home again?
How is this going to bring loads of jobs to Liverpool?
We have had many posts from Northerners on this subject & they love the trip & stay in our city so what we should get them to print their names?
I've been following these comments for months and don't remember any Northerner saying that they love the trip to Southampton.
In fact, that flies in the face of why people enjoy cruising. A cruise liner is a floating hotel which offers something that no other form of transport can - the ability to travel large distances without the need to continually pack and unpack. Why should anybody relish a four hour journey to the south coast when they can be in their hotel and enjoying all the facilities right from the start?

I don't know how many cruise liner passengers will use our hotels but I guess a similar proportion to those that use yours in Southampton and you are guarding this business jealously aren't you?

How is it that you didn't understand that point about the EU? France would fight for every Euro it could get - nobody denies that. What they wouldn't do is fight to have EU money paid back as your newspaper and elected representatives are doing.
Merseymart are you selective in what you remember reading?
If you read a Dover local paper you would read the exact same articles as this paper when it comes to your councils actions.
But I don't know if you do read them or not.
We know we have a problem getting the cruise ships to let the passengers know what there is to offer in this city & area.
My friend who sails a lot has been shocked how little information there is on the ships.
We had a council that was in talks with the cruise companies to solve this but they were voted out & I don't know if the new council are going to continue the work.
I lived in Thailand for a year came back here with no accommodation so I stayed in a hotel next to the docks.
I talked to many Northerners (passengers) & coach drivers they the passengers were enjoying their stay in this city & do it every year.
Liverpool didn't come up then but the coach drivers stated if cruises stopped here they would be out of a job.
many people would sail from your city but would they stay for say more than one night?
it would be for convenience & not to include your city ads part of their holiday,
Many use our city to go to Isle of Wight on day excursions or to go over for the festivities on Cowes Week.
They travel to sights they can't see up there or can't you lot see that
[quote][p][bold]MerseyMart[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert.b[/bold] wrote: Could you imagine the French or Germans going to Brussels to complain about another part of their counrty getting a small grant its a joke.[/p][/quote]Are you in dream world? France would be the first to complain like Champagne only being called champagne if grown in France. France wanted a new Steel Mill built it & then there was a glut in the EU so who shut France? No it was Ravenscraig under the order of the EU. By christ they would have had you pull the whole thing down. It's all right quoting a few Notherners on how happy they are about Liverpool. But how many are using your Hotels? How many are just driving in getting on the ship cruising & then driving straight home again? How is this going to bring loads of jobs to Liverpool? We have had many posts from Northerners on this subject & they love the trip & stay in our city so what we should get them to print their names?[/p][/quote]I've been following these comments for months and don't remember any Northerner saying that they love the trip to Southampton. In fact, that flies in the face of why people enjoy cruising. A cruise liner is a floating hotel which offers something that no other form of transport can - the ability to travel large distances without the need to continually pack and unpack. Why should anybody relish a four hour journey to the south coast when they can be in their hotel and enjoying all the facilities right from the start? I don't know how many cruise liner passengers will use our hotels but I guess a similar proportion to those that use yours in Southampton and you are guarding this business jealously aren't you? How is it that you didn't understand that point about the EU? France would fight for every Euro it could get - nobody denies that. What they wouldn't do is fight to have EU money paid back as your newspaper and elected representatives are doing.[/p][/quote]Merseymart are you selective in what you remember reading? If you read a Dover local paper you would read the exact same articles as this paper when it comes to your councils actions. But I don't know if you do read them or not. We know we have a problem getting the cruise ships to let the passengers know what there is to offer in this city & area. My friend who sails a lot has been shocked how little information there is on the ships. We had a council that was in talks with the cruise companies to solve this but they were voted out & I don't know if the new council are going to continue the work. I lived in Thailand for a year came back here with no accommodation so I stayed in a hotel next to the docks. I talked to many Northerners (passengers) & coach drivers they the passengers were enjoying their stay in this city & do it every year. Liverpool didn't come up then but the coach drivers stated if cruises stopped here they would be out of a job. many people would sail from your city but would they stay for say more than one night? it would be for convenience & not to include your city ads part of their holiday, Many use our city to go to Isle of Wight on day excursions or to go over for the festivities on Cowes Week. They travel to sights they can't see up there or can't you lot see that loosehead
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10:40pm Wed 30 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

What a load of rubbish

The city of Liverpool is one of the top tourist destination in the UK throughout the year ( and that is a fact, look it up if you don't believe me ).

We have so many places of interest and events happening throughout the year ( see visitliverpool.com if you don't believe me ).

Our hotels do very well out of the tourists that come here. We have done a very good job in selling our City and our council no matter what the politcal make up, is committed to ensure that all future cruise ship customers are aware of the magnitude of the attractions available to them should they visit to simply embark on a cruise or stay for a few nights before or after their cruise.

Liverpool is the 4th most visited city in the UK, has 7 internationally recognised Museums, 2 magnificent Cathedrals including the largest in the UK.
It has more listed buildings than anywhere outside of London and more grand architecture than Bath. It is one of the few places in the UK to have " World Heritage Status ".
Is acclaimed as the music capital of Britain
It also has 2 British Open Golf Courses " Royal Liverpool " and " Royal Birkdale " and is situated on an area of coastline known as the UK Golf Coast.

I would suggest that by next year you will begin to realise that Liverpool is a place that people want to start and end their cruises at and that quite a number will incorporate extra days visiting the sights of ths fair city.

I suggest that the people of Southampton should give their council a kick up the backside and get them to promote your city more .
What a load of rubbish The city of Liverpool is one of the top tourist destination in the UK throughout the year ( and that is a fact, look it up if you don't believe me ). We have so many places of interest and events happening throughout the year ( see visitliverpool.com if you don't believe me ). Our hotels do very well out of the tourists that come here. We have done a very good job in selling our City and our council no matter what the politcal make up, is committed to ensure that all future cruise ship customers are aware of the magnitude of the attractions available to them should they visit to simply embark on a cruise or stay for a few nights before or after their cruise. Liverpool is the 4th most visited city in the UK, has 7 internationally recognised Museums, 2 magnificent Cathedrals including the largest in the UK. It has more listed buildings than anywhere outside of London and more grand architecture than Bath. It is one of the few places in the UK to have " World Heritage Status ". Is acclaimed as the music capital of Britain It also has 2 British Open Golf Courses " Royal Liverpool " and " Royal Birkdale " and is situated on an area of coastline known as the UK Golf Coast. I would suggest that by next year you will begin to realise that Liverpool is a place that people want to start and end their cruises at and that quite a number will incorporate extra days visiting the sights of ths fair city. I suggest that the people of Southampton should give their council a kick up the backside and get them to promote your city more . Proud from LIVERPOOL
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12:22pm Thu 31 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
What a load of rubbish

The city of Liverpool is one of the top tourist destination in the UK throughout the year ( and that is a fact, look it up if you don't believe me ).

We have so many places of interest and events happening throughout the year ( see visitliverpool.com if you don't believe me ).

Our hotels do very well out of the tourists that come here. We have done a very good job in selling our City and our council no matter what the politcal make up, is committed to ensure that all future cruise ship customers are aware of the magnitude of the attractions available to them should they visit to simply embark on a cruise or stay for a few nights before or after their cruise.

Liverpool is the 4th most visited city in the UK, has 7 internationally recognised Museums, 2 magnificent Cathedrals including the largest in the UK.
It has more listed buildings than anywhere outside of London and more grand architecture than Bath. It is one of the few places in the UK to have " World Heritage Status ".
Is acclaimed as the music capital of Britain
It also has 2 British Open Golf Courses " Royal Liverpool " and " Royal Birkdale " and is situated on an area of coastline known as the UK Golf Coast.

I would suggest that by next year you will begin to realise that Liverpool is a place that people want to start and end their cruises at and that quite a number will incorporate extra days visiting the sights of ths fair city.

I suggest that the people of Southampton should give their council a kick up the backside and get them to promote your city more .
Are you totally thick?
You have all these things you have all these tourists?
If your that great why do you need cruise ships & why haven't you got 100% employment?
Also Northerners can visit your city & areas of the North for weekend drives out can't they?
to come South to see what this area has to offer they put all their eggs into the basket.
They book a cruise ,they book hotels .
they cruise on the ships come back hire a car drive around & visit the attractions then get the coach back up North or family join them & they drive home or is that to much information for you to process?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: What a load of rubbish The city of Liverpool is one of the top tourist destination in the UK throughout the year ( and that is a fact, look it up if you don't believe me ). We have so many places of interest and events happening throughout the year ( see visitliverpool.com if you don't believe me ). Our hotels do very well out of the tourists that come here. We have done a very good job in selling our City and our council no matter what the politcal make up, is committed to ensure that all future cruise ship customers are aware of the magnitude of the attractions available to them should they visit to simply embark on a cruise or stay for a few nights before or after their cruise. Liverpool is the 4th most visited city in the UK, has 7 internationally recognised Museums, 2 magnificent Cathedrals including the largest in the UK. It has more listed buildings than anywhere outside of London and more grand architecture than Bath. It is one of the few places in the UK to have " World Heritage Status ". Is acclaimed as the music capital of Britain It also has 2 British Open Golf Courses " Royal Liverpool " and " Royal Birkdale " and is situated on an area of coastline known as the UK Golf Coast. I would suggest that by next year you will begin to realise that Liverpool is a place that people want to start and end their cruises at and that quite a number will incorporate extra days visiting the sights of ths fair city. I suggest that the people of Southampton should give their council a kick up the backside and get them to promote your city more .[/p][/quote]Are you totally thick? You have all these things you have all these tourists? If your that great why do you need cruise ships & why haven't you got 100% employment? Also Northerners can visit your city & areas of the North for weekend drives out can't they? to come South to see what this area has to offer they put all their eggs into the basket. They book a cruise ,they book hotels . they cruise on the ships come back hire a car drive around & visit the attractions then get the coach back up North or family join them & they drive home or is that to much information for you to process? loosehead
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2:07pm Thu 31 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

The tourists that visit Liverpool are not all from the north as you put it. Large numbers are from the USA, Canada, Europe and more and mor from China ( Liverpool is twinned with Shanghia and has the oldest established china town in europe.
British tourist come in there droves from all over the UK , including from your area of the world ( its all to do with the vast amount of attractions for visitors to enjoy in and around Liverpool City Region.)

I was referring if you had used your questionable inteligence to the fact that all these visitors are also potential cruise passengers for our cruise terminal. Enjoying a cruise and a pleasant stay in our city at the beginning or end of their cruise.

You must learn to think on the big scale, I think that's why you didn't get the point that I was trying to explain to you.
before.
The tourists that visit Liverpool are not all from the north as you put it. Large numbers are from the USA, Canada, Europe and more and mor from China ( Liverpool is twinned with Shanghia and has the oldest established china town in europe. British tourist come in there droves from all over the UK , including from your area of the world ( its all to do with the vast amount of attractions for visitors to enjoy in and around Liverpool City Region.) I was referring if you had used your questionable inteligence to the fact that all these visitors are also potential cruise passengers for our cruise terminal. Enjoying a cruise and a pleasant stay in our city at the beginning or end of their cruise. You must learn to think on the big scale, I think that's why you didn't get the point that I was trying to explain to you. before. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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3:48pm Thu 31 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
The tourists that visit Liverpool are not all from the north as you put it. Large numbers are from the USA, Canada, Europe and more and mor from China ( Liverpool is twinned with Shanghia and has the oldest established china town in europe.
British tourist come in there droves from all over the UK , including from your area of the world ( its all to do with the vast amount of attractions for visitors to enjoy in and around Liverpool City Region.)

I was referring if you had used your questionable inteligence to the fact that all these visitors are also potential cruise passengers for our cruise terminal. Enjoying a cruise and a pleasant stay in our city at the beginning or end of their cruise.

You must learn to think on the big scale, I think that's why you didn't get the point that I was trying to explain to you.
before.
Exactly how many people from Shanghai would go on a cruise ship?
Surely Dover is the closest port of call or dare I say Southampton?
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: The tourists that visit Liverpool are not all from the north as you put it. Large numbers are from the USA, Canada, Europe and more and mor from China ( Liverpool is twinned with Shanghia and has the oldest established china town in europe. British tourist come in there droves from all over the UK , including from your area of the world ( its all to do with the vast amount of attractions for visitors to enjoy in and around Liverpool City Region.) I was referring if you had used your questionable inteligence to the fact that all these visitors are also potential cruise passengers for our cruise terminal. Enjoying a cruise and a pleasant stay in our city at the beginning or end of their cruise. You must learn to think on the big scale, I think that's why you didn't get the point that I was trying to explain to you. before.[/p][/quote]Exactly how many people from Shanghai would go on a cruise ship? Surely Dover is the closest port of call or dare I say Southampton? loosehead
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6:11pm Thu 31 May 12

Proud from LIVERPOOL says...

I was referring to the pool of tourists as a whole being potential customers of the cruise lines operating from Liverpool in the future.

Because of our rich musical heritage and I am not just referring to the Beatles etc. and our twinning arrangements with Shanghai we get a great deal more tourists from China than Southampton and Dover combined.
For your information since you appear to be a dunce regarding these things, There is a very highly treasured building in Shanghai which is almost an exact copy of the Royal Liver Building in Liverpool.

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LOOSEHEAD you asked me earlier on another posting in this paper.

" Exactly how long ago was Liverpool Englands second city? what happened to all the people living there? "

You asked the question here is the answer courtesy of Wikipedia.

" For periods during the 19th century the wealth of Liverpool exceeded that of London itself, and Liverpool's Custom House was the single largest contributor to the British Exchequer. Liverpool's status can be judged from the fact that it was the only British city ever to have its own Whitehall office.
The first United States consul anywhere in the world, James Maury, was appointed to Liverpool in 1790, and remained in office for 39 years.

As early as 1851 the city was described as "the New York of Europe" and its buildings, constructed on a heroic, even megalomaniacal scale stand witness to the supreme confidence and ambition of the city at the turn of the 20th century.
Liverpool was also the site of the UK's first provincial airport, operating from 1930.

Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No.1, often seen as Britain's Imperial anthem, was dedicated by the composer to the Liverpool Orchestral Society and had its premiere in the city in October 1901.

During the Second World War, the critical strategic importance of Liverpool was recognised by both Hitler and Churchill, with the city suffering a blitz second only to London's, and the pivotal Battle of the Atlantic being planned, fought and won from Liverpool.

During the Second World War Liverpool was the worst bombed city after London and in post war years a large portion of the population was re-housed by the government of the day in new towns ie:- Runcorn New Town, Winsford, Skelmersdale etc

Ferries, railways, transatlantic steamships, municipal trams, electric trains and the helicopter were all pioneered in Liverpool as modes of mass transit. In 1829 and 1836 the first underground railway tunnels in the world were constructed under Liverpool.

The first School for the Blind, Mechanics' Institute, High School for Girls, council house and Juvenile Court were all founded in Liverpool. The RSPCA, NSPCC, Age Concern, Relate, Citizen's Advice Bureau and Legal Aid all evolved from work in the city.

In the field of public health, the first lifeboat station, public baths and wash-houses, sanitary act, medical officer for health, district nurse, slum clearance, purpose-built ambulance, X-ray medical diagnosis, school of tropical medicine, motorised municipal fire-engine, free school milk and school meals, cancer research centre, and zoonosis research centre all originated in Liverpool. The first British Nobel Prize was awarded in 1902 to Ronald Ross, professor at the School of Tropical Medicine, the first school of its kind in the world. Orthopaedic surgery was pioneered in Liverpool by Hugh Owen Thomas, and modern medical anaesthetics by Thomas Cecil Gray.
Oriel Chambers, the first 'modern' building in the world.

In finance, Liverpool founded the UK's first Underwriters' Association and the first Institute of Accountants. The Western world's first financial derivatives (cotton futures) were traded on the Liverpool Cotton Exchange in the late 1700s.

In the arts, Liverpool was home to the first lending library, athenaeum society, arts centre and public art conservation centre. Liverpool is also home to the UK's oldest surviving classical orchestra, the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra.

In 1864, Peter Ellis built the world's first iron-framed, curtain-walled office building, Oriel Chambers, the prototype of the skyscraper. The UK's first purpose-built department store was Compton House, completed in 1867 for the retailer J.R. Jeffrey, to replace a previous building which had burned down in 1865. It was the largest store in the world at the time.

Between 1862 and 1867, Liverpool held an annual Grand Olympic Festival. Devised by John Hulley and Charles Melly, these games were the first to be wholly amateur in nature and international in outlook. The programme of the first modern Olympiad in Athens in 1896 was almost identical to that of the Liverpool Olympics. In 1865 Hulley co-founded the National Olympian Association in Liverpool, a forerunner of the British Olympic Association. Its articles of foundation provided the framework for the International Olympic Charter.

I have reasons a plenty to be proud of my home City, before you criticise anything about a person or a city or a people, I suggest you think before you open your mouth. Humility is a wonderful thing.

All information listed can be found on wikipedia.
I was referring to the pool of tourists as a whole being potential customers of the cruise lines operating from Liverpool in the future. Because of our rich musical heritage and I am not just referring to the Beatles etc. and our twinning arrangements with Shanghai we get a great deal more tourists from China than Southampton and Dover combined. For your information since you appear to be a dunce regarding these things, There is a very highly treasured building in Shanghai which is almost an exact copy of the Royal Liver Building in Liverpool. -------------------- ------- LOOSEHEAD you asked me earlier on another posting in this paper. " Exactly how long ago was Liverpool Englands second city? what happened to all the people living there? " You asked the question here is the answer courtesy of Wikipedia. " For periods during the 19th century the wealth of Liverpool exceeded that of London itself, and Liverpool's Custom House was the single largest contributor to the British Exchequer. Liverpool's status can be judged from the fact that it was the only British city ever to have its own Whitehall office. The first United States consul anywhere in the world, James Maury, was appointed to Liverpool in 1790, and remained in office for 39 years. As early as 1851 the city was described as "the New York of Europe" and its buildings, constructed on a heroic, even megalomaniacal scale stand witness to the supreme confidence and ambition of the city at the turn of the 20th century. Liverpool was also the site of the UK's first provincial airport, operating from 1930. Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No.1, often seen as Britain's Imperial anthem, was dedicated by the composer to the Liverpool Orchestral Society and had its premiere in the city in October 1901. During the Second World War, the critical strategic importance of Liverpool was recognised by both Hitler and Churchill, with the city suffering a blitz second only to London's, and the pivotal Battle of the Atlantic being planned, fought and won from Liverpool. During the Second World War Liverpool was the worst bombed city after London and in post war years a large portion of the population was re-housed by the government of the day in new towns ie:- Runcorn New Town, Winsford, Skelmersdale etc Ferries, railways, transatlantic steamships, municipal trams, electric trains and the helicopter were all pioneered in Liverpool as modes of mass transit. In 1829 and 1836 the first underground railway tunnels in the world were constructed under Liverpool. The first School for the Blind, Mechanics' Institute, High School for Girls, council house and Juvenile Court were all founded in Liverpool. The RSPCA, NSPCC, Age Concern, Relate, Citizen's Advice Bureau and Legal Aid all evolved from work in the city. In the field of public health, the first lifeboat station, public baths and wash-houses, sanitary act, medical officer for health, district nurse, slum clearance, purpose-built ambulance, X-ray medical diagnosis, school of tropical medicine, motorised municipal fire-engine, free school milk and school meals, cancer research centre, and zoonosis research centre all originated in Liverpool. The first British Nobel Prize was awarded in 1902 to Ronald Ross, professor at the School of Tropical Medicine, the first school of its kind in the world. Orthopaedic surgery was pioneered in Liverpool by Hugh Owen Thomas, and modern medical anaesthetics by Thomas Cecil Gray. Oriel Chambers, the first 'modern' building in the world. In finance, Liverpool founded the UK's first Underwriters' Association and the first Institute of Accountants. The Western world's first financial derivatives (cotton futures) were traded on the Liverpool Cotton Exchange in the late 1700s. In the arts, Liverpool was home to the first lending library, athenaeum society, arts centre and public art conservation centre. Liverpool is also home to the UK's oldest surviving classical orchestra, the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra. In 1864, Peter Ellis built the world's first iron-framed, curtain-walled office building, Oriel Chambers, the prototype of the skyscraper. The UK's first purpose-built department store was Compton House, completed in 1867 for the retailer J.R. Jeffrey, to replace a previous building which had burned down in 1865. It was the largest store in the world at the time. Between 1862 and 1867, Liverpool held an annual Grand Olympic Festival. Devised by John Hulley and Charles Melly, these games were the first to be wholly amateur in nature and international in outlook. The programme of the first modern Olympiad in Athens in 1896 was almost identical to that of the Liverpool Olympics. In 1865 Hulley co-founded the National Olympian Association in Liverpool, a forerunner of the British Olympic Association. Its articles of foundation provided the framework for the International Olympic Charter. I have reasons a plenty to be proud of my home City, before you criticise anything about a person or a city or a people, I suggest you think before you open your mouth. Humility is a wonderful thing. All information listed can be found on wikipedia. Proud from LIVERPOOL
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9:25pm Thu 31 May 12

loosehead says...

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
I was referring to the pool of tourists as a whole being potential customers of the cruise lines operating from Liverpool in the future.

Because of our rich musical heritage and I am not just referring to the Beatles etc. and our twinning arrangements with Shanghai we get a great deal more tourists from China than Southampton and Dover combined.
For your information since you appear to be a dunce regarding these things, There is a very highly treasured building in Shanghai which is almost an exact copy of the Royal Liver Building in Liverpool.

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LOOSEHEAD you asked me earlier on another posting in this paper.

" Exactly how long ago was Liverpool Englands second city? what happened to all the people living there? "

You asked the question here is the answer courtesy of Wikipedia.

" For periods during the 19th century the wealth of Liverpool exceeded that of London itself, and Liverpool's Custom House was the single largest contributor to the British Exchequer. Liverpool's status can be judged from the fact that it was the only British city ever to have its own Whitehall office.
The first United States consul anywhere in the world, James Maury, was appointed to Liverpool in 1790, and remained in office for 39 years.

As early as 1851 the city was described as "the New York of Europe" and its buildings, constructed on a heroic, even megalomaniacal scale stand witness to the supreme confidence and ambition of the city at the turn of the 20th century.
Liverpool was also the site of the UK's first provincial airport, operating from 1930.

Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No.1, often seen as Britain's Imperial anthem, was dedicated by the composer to the Liverpool Orchestral Society and had its premiere in the city in October 1901.

During the Second World War, the critical strategic importance of Liverpool was recognised by both Hitler and Churchill, with the city suffering a blitz second only to London's, and the pivotal Battle of the Atlantic being planned, fought and won from Liverpool.

During the Second World War Liverpool was the worst bombed city after London and in post war years a large portion of the population was re-housed by the government of the day in new towns ie:- Runcorn New Town, Winsford, Skelmersdale etc

Ferries, railways, transatlantic steamships, municipal trams, electric trains and the helicopter were all pioneered in Liverpool as modes of mass transit. In 1829 and 1836 the first underground railway tunnels in the world were constructed under Liverpool.

The first School for the Blind, Mechanics' Institute, High School for Girls, council house and Juvenile Court were all founded in Liverpool. The RSPCA, NSPCC, Age Concern, Relate, Citizen's Advice Bureau and Legal Aid all evolved from work in the city.

In the field of public health, the first lifeboat station, public baths and wash-houses, sanitary act, medical officer for health, district nurse, slum clearance, purpose-built ambulance, X-ray medical diagnosis, school of tropical medicine, motorised municipal fire-engine, free school milk and school meals, cancer research centre, and zoonosis research centre all originated in Liverpool. The first British Nobel Prize was awarded in 1902 to Ronald Ross, professor at the School of Tropical Medicine, the first school of its kind in the world. Orthopaedic surgery was pioneered in Liverpool by Hugh Owen Thomas, and modern medical anaesthetics by Thomas Cecil Gray.
Oriel Chambers, the first 'modern' building in the world.

In finance, Liverpool founded the UK's first Underwriters' Association and the first Institute of Accountants. The Western world's first financial derivatives (cotton futures) were traded on the Liverpool Cotton Exchange in the late 1700s.

In the arts, Liverpool was home to the first lending library, athenaeum society, arts centre and public art conservation centre. Liverpool is also home to the UK's oldest surviving classical orchestra, the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra.

In 1864, Peter Ellis built the world's first iron-framed, curtain-walled office building, Oriel Chambers, the prototype of the skyscraper. The UK's first purpose-built department store was Compton House, completed in 1867 for the retailer J.R. Jeffrey, to replace a previous building which had burned down in 1865. It was the largest store in the world at the time.

Between 1862 and 1867, Liverpool held an annual Grand Olympic Festival. Devised by John Hulley and Charles Melly, these games were the first to be wholly amateur in nature and international in outlook. The programme of the first modern Olympiad in Athens in 1896 was almost identical to that of the Liverpool Olympics. In 1865 Hulley co-founded the National Olympian Association in Liverpool, a forerunner of the British Olympic Association. Its articles of foundation provided the framework for the International Olympic Charter.

I have reasons a plenty to be proud of my home City, before you criticise anything about a person or a city or a people, I suggest you think before you open your mouth. Humility is a wonderful thing.

All information listed can be found on wikipedia.
Sorry but I know through my father my uncles & cousins why people left Liverpool & your only telling the rose tinted version of it
[quote][p][bold]Proud from LIVERPOOL[/bold] wrote: I was referring to the pool of tourists as a whole being potential customers of the cruise lines operating from Liverpool in the future. Because of our rich musical heritage and I am not just referring to the Beatles etc. and our twinning arrangements with Shanghai we get a great deal more tourists from China than Southampton and Dover combined. For your information since you appear to be a dunce regarding these things, There is a very highly treasured building in Shanghai which is almost an exact copy of the Royal Liver Building in Liverpool. -------------------- ------- LOOSEHEAD you asked me earlier on another posting in this paper. " Exactly how long ago was Liverpool Englands second city? what happened to all the people living there? " You asked the question here is the answer courtesy of Wikipedia. " For periods during the 19th century the wealth of Liverpool exceeded that of London itself, and Liverpool's Custom House was the single largest contributor to the British Exchequer. Liverpool's status can be judged from the fact that it was the only British city ever to have its own Whitehall office. The first United States consul anywhere in the world, James Maury, was appointed to Liverpool in 1790, and remained in office for 39 years. As early as 1851 the city was described as "the New York of Europe" and its buildings, constructed on a heroic, even megalomaniacal scale stand witness to the supreme confidence and ambition of the city at the turn of the 20th century. Liverpool was also the site of the UK's first provincial airport, operating from 1930. Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No.1, often seen as Britain's Imperial anthem, was dedicated by the composer to the Liverpool Orchestral Society and had its premiere in the city in October 1901. During the Second World War, the critical strategic importance of Liverpool was recognised by both Hitler and Churchill, with the city suffering a blitz second only to London's, and the pivotal Battle of the Atlantic being planned, fought and won from Liverpool. During the Second World War Liverpool was the worst bombed city after London and in post war years a large portion of the population was re-housed by the government of the day in new towns ie:- Runcorn New Town, Winsford, Skelmersdale etc Ferries, railways, transatlantic steamships, municipal trams, electric trains and the helicopter were all pioneered in Liverpool as modes of mass transit. In 1829 and 1836 the first underground railway tunnels in the world were constructed under Liverpool. The first School for the Blind, Mechanics' Institute, High School for Girls, council house and Juvenile Court were all founded in Liverpool. The RSPCA, NSPCC, Age Concern, Relate, Citizen's Advice Bureau and Legal Aid all evolved from work in the city. In the field of public health, the first lifeboat station, public baths and wash-houses, sanitary act, medical officer for health, district nurse, slum clearance, purpose-built ambulance, X-ray medical diagnosis, school of tropical medicine, motorised municipal fire-engine, free school milk and school meals, cancer research centre, and zoonosis research centre all originated in Liverpool. The first British Nobel Prize was awarded in 1902 to Ronald Ross, professor at the School of Tropical Medicine, the first school of its kind in the world. Orthopaedic surgery was pioneered in Liverpool by Hugh Owen Thomas, and modern medical anaesthetics by Thomas Cecil Gray. Oriel Chambers, the first 'modern' building in the world. In finance, Liverpool founded the UK's first Underwriters' Association and the first Institute of Accountants. The Western world's first financial derivatives (cotton futures) were traded on the Liverpool Cotton Exchange in the late 1700s. In the arts, Liverpool was home to the first lending library, athenaeum society, arts centre and public art conservation centre. Liverpool is also home to the UK's oldest surviving classical orchestra, the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra. In 1864, Peter Ellis built the world's first iron-framed, curtain-walled office building, Oriel Chambers, the prototype of the skyscraper. The UK's first purpose-built department store was Compton House, completed in 1867 for the retailer J.R. Jeffrey, to replace a previous building which had burned down in 1865. It was the largest store in the world at the time. Between 1862 and 1867, Liverpool held an annual Grand Olympic Festival. Devised by John Hulley and Charles Melly, these games were the first to be wholly amateur in nature and international in outlook. The programme of the first modern Olympiad in Athens in 1896 was almost identical to that of the Liverpool Olympics. In 1865 Hulley co-founded the National Olympian Association in Liverpool, a forerunner of the British Olympic Association. Its articles of foundation provided the framework for the International Olympic Charter. I have reasons a plenty to be proud of my home City, before you criticise anything about a person or a city or a people, I suggest you think before you open your mouth. Humility is a wonderful thing. All information listed can be found on wikipedia.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I know through my father my uncles & cousins why people left Liverpool & your only telling the rose tinted version of it loosehead
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10:45am Fri 1 Jun 12

Chris storey says...

That's nothing, Benny Hill was born in Southampton.
And apparently a few famous people went there.
That's nothing, Benny Hill was born in Southampton. And apparently a few famous people went there. Chris storey
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