Southampton among ten most congested cities in UK

Traffic on the A35

Traffic on the A35

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DRIVERS have known it for years but now it’s official – Southampton is one of the most congested places in the UK.

Most congested

1 London
2 Edinburgh
3 Oxford
4 Belfast
5 Bradford
6 Manchester
7 Birmingham
8 Aberdeen
9 Southampton
10 Nottingham

A new survey has placed it ninth in a league table of Britain’s most trafficchoked cities, with bigger jams even than Liverpool, Leeds and Leicester.

Southampton has also seen the fourth biggest increase in traffic over the past six months.

The findings, which will come as no surprise to the area’s long-suffering motorists, have been published by satnav firm TomTom.

But Southampton City Council has challenged the report, claiming its conclusions have been “hugely distorted” by geographical factors.

TomTom says London is Britain’s most congested city, followed by Edinburgh and Oxford.

Oxford has also seen the biggest increase in traffic since March, with the number of vehicles on its roads rising by 2.2 per cent. Belfast has witnessed the second biggest increase, followed by Bolton and Southampton.

Biggest Increase in traffic

1 Oxford
2 Belfast
3 Bolton
4 Southampton
5 Sheffield
6 Edinburgh
7 London
8 Glasgow
9 Cambridge
10 Aberdeen

Road congestion is estimated to cost the UK economy £20 billion a year in lost production.

Experts say a reduction of just five per cent in travel time could save businesses about £2.5 billion by cutting the number of missed appointments and speeding up delivery times.

The TomTom survey is based on traffic speed records in the 50 most congested areas across Britain between March and September.

However, its findings were disputed by Councillor Daniel Fitzhenry, the city council’s Cabinet member for environment and transport.

He said: “The traffic speed in Southampton compares well to other similar sized cities.

“The findings is this report are hugely distorted by the geography of the places we are being compared to. For example many other urban locations have long A-roads, duel carriageways and motorways running through and around them.

“This massively distorts the average traffic speeds to make it seem like those places have faster moving traffic.

“In fact, our data shows traffic speeds on Southampton’s roads are holding steady and are in some cases increasing.”

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10:11am Mon 3 Oct 11

ChrisPeocock says...

Well doesnt really help that we are next to water, we only have half as many options of routes in and out of the City as many other places.
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Far too many traffic lights in the city also, why cant we allow the motorist to decide when it is safe to pull out by having more roundabouts instead of traffic light. I travel 15 miles from one side of Southampton to the other and pass 16 sets of traffic lights!
Well doesnt really help that we are next to water, we only have half as many options of routes in and out of the City as many other places. . Far too many traffic lights in the city also, why cant we allow the motorist to decide when it is safe to pull out by having more roundabouts instead of traffic light. I travel 15 miles from one side of Southampton to the other and pass 16 sets of traffic lights! ChrisPeocock
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10:13am Mon 3 Oct 11

simon101 says...

Cllr Fitzhenry you have missed the point. The reason Southampton has slower speeds compared to other similar sized cities is the 'lack' of motorways and A roads running through them. If the road network was improved to A and motorway standards within the boundaries then the speeds would increase. Its not rocket science.
Cllr Fitzhenry you have missed the point. The reason Southampton has slower speeds compared to other similar sized cities is the 'lack' of motorways and A roads running through them. If the road network was improved to A and motorway standards within the boundaries then the speeds would increase. Its not rocket science. simon101
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11:11am Mon 3 Oct 11

The Rising Phoenix says...

Why does this not surprise me one bit, just the other day i was runninga few errands and managed to hit 3 different roadworks around the city, more annoyingly not one worker was at any of the sites, but the traffic was! And this was a week day at about 10:30am, so where were the workers? No doubt there was nothing wrong but companies need to justify their work...
Why does this not surprise me one bit, just the other day i was runninga few errands and managed to hit 3 different roadworks around the city, more annoyingly not one worker was at any of the sites, but the traffic was! And this was a week day at about 10:30am, so where were the workers? No doubt there was nothing wrong but companies need to justify their work... The Rising Phoenix
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11:22am Mon 3 Oct 11

Lone Ranger. says...

IMO the best part of the congestion is caused by traffic lights and the poor phasing of those lights.
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You only have to look at roads like Winchester road in Shirley. Queued from St James Road back to Winchester Road roundabout at 12-00. Get past St james Road and there is nothing.
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The phasing at some lights across the City is very poor.
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In addition 24HOUR BUS LANES.
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What the hell is all that about.
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The majority in London are only for peak times.
IMO the best part of the congestion is caused by traffic lights and the poor phasing of those lights. . You only have to look at roads like Winchester road in Shirley. Queued from St James Road back to Winchester Road roundabout at 12-00. Get past St james Road and there is nothing. . The phasing at some lights across the City is very poor. . In addition 24HOUR BUS LANES. . What the hell is all that about. . The majority in London are only for peak times. Lone Ranger.
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11:46am Mon 3 Oct 11

gazdance says...

The traffic light phasing on Winchester Road is really bad in some places as one person has said. For example, the right turn only lane at St James Lane from Winchester Road is often on red when it could turn green much sooner than the lights for traffic going straight on. This would clear the motorists being forced to queue along Winchester Road with the other traffic.

Many traffic lights are redundant at certain times of day - the number of times I have been held at a red when there is not another car in sight is silly.

I would love to see more roundabouts rather than lights but then I can use a roundabout properly. Far too many people stop dead when there is nothing coming, are in the wrong lane or feel that indicating is entirely optional. It's not hard!
The traffic light phasing on Winchester Road is really bad in some places as one person has said. For example, the right turn only lane at St James Lane from Winchester Road is often on red when it could turn green much sooner than the lights for traffic going straight on. This would clear the motorists being forced to queue along Winchester Road with the other traffic. Many traffic lights are redundant at certain times of day - the number of times I have been held at a red when there is not another car in sight is silly. I would love to see more roundabouts rather than lights but then I can use a roundabout properly. Far too many people stop dead when there is nothing coming, are in the wrong lane or feel that indicating is entirely optional. It's not hard! gazdance
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11:49am Mon 3 Oct 11

roofspace says...

I can only assume Councillor Daniel Fitzhenry has only driven in Southampton by his ludicrous comment. Could he also explain why some bright spark thought it would be a good idea to spend £2,000,000 on traffic lights for the roundabout under Millbrook flyover to enable it to snarl-up traffic and increase congestion where there was none prior to this? And no it wasn't an accident black spot.(I speak from first-hand knowledge living a few hundred yards away)
I can only assume Councillor Daniel Fitzhenry has only driven in Southampton by his ludicrous comment. Could he also explain why some bright spark thought it would be a good idea to spend £2,000,000 on traffic lights for the roundabout under Millbrook flyover to enable it to snarl-up traffic and increase congestion where there was none prior to this? And no it wasn't an accident black spot.(I speak from first-hand knowledge living a few hundred yards away) roofspace
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11:50am Mon 3 Oct 11

motorizer says...

I can just see the council meeting now...

'' we have really bad congestion.. what can we do about it''

'' lets build a 28 story tower block in ocean village''

'' wont that bring more traffic and congestion?''

'' of course, then we can bring in a congestion charge''

Hypocrits the lot of them....
I can just see the council meeting now... '' we have really bad congestion.. what can we do about it'' '' lets build a 28 story tower block in ocean village'' '' wont that bring more traffic and congestion?'' '' of course, then we can bring in a congestion charge'' Hypocrits the lot of them.... motorizer
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12:00pm Mon 3 Oct 11

southy says...

The real problem,s to the city apart from this Tory Council, is the V shape and the council chucking every thing down in the bottom of the V, we need to move things to the North give the city some room. another problem is people cutting though the city and not using the motorway.
The whole city needs to replanned.
The real problem,s to the city apart from this Tory Council, is the V shape and the council chucking every thing down in the bottom of the V, we need to move things to the North give the city some room. another problem is people cutting though the city and not using the motorway. The whole city needs to replanned. southy
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12:19pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Huffter says...

Strange how lots of different reasons have been advanced for the problem - traffic lights, road works, immigrant drivers, and the city being in the wrong place. Does no one ever consider that the situation might just be caused by too many drivers?
Lets start by getting the worst drivers off the road - re-test all drivers every five years... if you need to renew a food hygiene certificate regularly then why not a driving licence?
Strange how lots of different reasons have been advanced for the problem - traffic lights, road works, immigrant drivers, and the city being in the wrong place. Does no one ever consider that the situation might just be caused by too many drivers? Lets start by getting the worst drivers off the road - re-test all drivers every five years... if you need to renew a food hygiene certificate regularly then why not a driving licence? Huffter
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12:29pm Mon 3 Oct 11

southy says...

Well Huffter I can remember a time when the traffic jam stretch from the civic center right the way to the River Test, and there was a hell off a lot less traffic on the roads back then but the roads use to be mono.
Well Huffter I can remember a time when the traffic jam stretch from the civic center right the way to the River Test, and there was a hell off a lot less traffic on the roads back then but the roads use to be mono. southy
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12:37pm Mon 3 Oct 11

ecuk268 says...

It would help if you could filter left into St James Rd when the Winchester Rd lights are red.

And why do the lights at The Range operate even when they're shut?
It would help if you could filter left into St James Rd when the Winchester Rd lights are red. And why do the lights at The Range operate even when they're shut? ecuk268
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1:06pm Mon 3 Oct 11

MGRA says...

southampton is also effected by neighbouring councils. One example of congestion in southampton is bursledon. the traffic lights by the river hamble on the A27 should be removed and aroundabout put there. That would stop congestion on some days during evening rushhour stretching back to bitterne. Also the fact that there is only one way to get to the M27 to the north of the city is a planning oversight, the avenue and Thomas Lewis way should both connect to the M27. Its too late now though for that. Finally, the exit out of the city to the West is cluttered and a priority road should have been built but again too late, West Quay means that can not happen. Ikea planning permission was an incredible decision too,,,, huge problems now near there many days.....
southampton is also effected by neighbouring councils. One example of congestion in southampton is bursledon. the traffic lights by the river hamble on the A27 should be removed and aroundabout put there. That would stop congestion on some days during evening rushhour stretching back to bitterne. Also the fact that there is only one way to get to the M27 to the north of the city is a planning oversight, the avenue and Thomas Lewis way should both connect to the M27. Its too late now though for that. Finally, the exit out of the city to the West is cluttered and a priority road should have been built but again too late, West Quay means that can not happen. Ikea planning permission was an incredible decision too,,,, huge problems now near there many days..... MGRA
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1:39pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Costa Baz says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
IMO the best part of the congestion is caused by traffic lights and the poor phasing of those lights.
.
You only have to look at roads like Winchester road in Shirley. Queued from St James Road back to Winchester Road roundabout at 12-00. Get past St james Road and there is nothing.
.
The phasing at some lights across the City is very poor.
.
In addition 24HOUR BUS LANES.
.
What the hell is all that about.
.
The majority in London are only for peak times.
I have to agree, about poor phasing.
Unless it has changed the lights in the town centre (next to Kentucky Fried) near the civic are phased in such a way that pedestrians get priority. For example, the traffic flows to and from the civic then stops for pedestrians. Then the traffic flows to and from the shopping precinct then again stops for pedestrians. At most junctions the flow is traffic - traffic - pedestrian etc.
Deliberate?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: IMO the best part of the congestion is caused by traffic lights and the poor phasing of those lights. . You only have to look at roads like Winchester road in Shirley. Queued from St James Road back to Winchester Road roundabout at 12-00. Get past St james Road and there is nothing. . The phasing at some lights across the City is very poor. . In addition 24HOUR BUS LANES. . What the hell is all that about. . The majority in London are only for peak times.[/p][/quote]I have to agree, about poor phasing. Unless it has changed the lights in the town centre (next to Kentucky Fried) near the civic are phased in such a way that pedestrians get priority. For example, the traffic flows to and from the civic then stops for pedestrians. Then the traffic flows to and from the shopping precinct then again stops for pedestrians. At most junctions the flow is traffic - traffic - pedestrian etc. Deliberate? Costa Baz
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1:40pm Mon 3 Oct 11

G0Rf says...

I work all around the country.....the most annoying part of road for me is A34(S) - M3 - M27.
Always slow.
I think they should build a M27 J6 and M272, M273 and M274 !

Traffic lights at Thornhill Park Road should be removed to allow traffic from M27 straight into the city.
Many many more, maybe the road and highways teams at southampton city council should get out of their taxi's and take a look at the citys roads for them self!
I work all around the country.....the most annoying part of road for me is A34(S) - M3 - M27. Always slow. I think they should build a M27 J6 and M272, M273 and M274 ! Traffic lights at Thornhill Park Road should be removed to allow traffic from M27 straight into the city. Many many more, maybe the road and highways teams at southampton city council should get out of their taxi's and take a look at the citys roads for them self! G0Rf
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1:52pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Zeo says...

Transport Ideas;

Inner City
Expand The I.O.W Car Ferry port further into the sea, build a double track metro railway system looping from Southampton Tunnel/South-Western Mail to Millbrook Railway Station, reopening Northam, Terminus, IOW/Water Front Station - Portsmouth and Lymington have a direct Ferry/Rail link so why cant we? This will allow more of an inner city rail link a bit like Yorkshire's. With Links going to Fawley, Portsmouth, Salisbury/Romsey & Winchester.

West Site
Reopen the Fawley Branch line to reduce traffic on the West.
Also Reopen Nursling Station with a Park and Ride.

East Side
Open up a Park & Ride/express Tram Line from Bursledon Roundabout where a P&P would be and a line going along the A3024 to Southampton with stops at, Hightown, Antelope Park, Bitterne, Bitterne Station, Northam Train Station/Depot, Civic Center and Terminating at West Quay. Redeveloping Albion Pl/Castle Way car parks into a Tram Terminus.

Maybe another Express Tram Route from Charles Watts Way with Park & Ride, but also going to Hedge End/Rose Bowl

North;
Express Bus Service/Park & Ride at Chilworth Drove, going through the forest and connecting up at Coxford Road, Aldermoore, Hospital, Maybush Corner, Shirley Pricent, Railway Station P4 side, Civic Center, West Quay and Vincents Walk.

Instead of saying whats to blame try brining in better transport and share your ideas!!!
Transport Ideas; Inner City Expand The I.O.W Car Ferry port further into the sea, build a double track metro railway system looping from Southampton Tunnel/South-Western Mail to Millbrook Railway Station, reopening Northam, Terminus, IOW/Water Front Station - Portsmouth and Lymington have a direct Ferry/Rail link so why cant we? This will allow more of an inner city rail link a bit like Yorkshire's. With Links going to Fawley, Portsmouth, Salisbury/Romsey & Winchester. West Site Reopen the Fawley Branch line to reduce traffic on the West. Also Reopen Nursling Station with a Park and Ride. East Side Open up a Park & Ride/express Tram Line from Bursledon Roundabout where a P&P would be and a line going along the A3024 to Southampton with stops at, Hightown, Antelope Park, Bitterne, Bitterne Station, Northam Train Station/Depot, Civic Center and Terminating at West Quay. Redeveloping Albion Pl/Castle Way car parks into a Tram Terminus. Maybe another Express Tram Route from Charles Watts Way with Park & Ride, but also going to Hedge End/Rose Bowl North; Express Bus Service/Park & Ride at Chilworth Drove, going through the forest and connecting up at Coxford Road, Aldermoore, Hospital, Maybush Corner, Shirley Pricent, Railway Station P4 side, Civic Center, West Quay and Vincents Walk. Instead of saying whats to blame try brining in better transport and share your ideas!!! Zeo
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1:56pm Mon 3 Oct 11

southy says...

The City is a natural bottle neck, because of its V shape and throwing every thing down in the bottom of that V, and very poor planning has not help one bit.
The City is a natural bottle neck, because of its V shape and throwing every thing down in the bottom of that V, and very poor planning has not help one bit. southy
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2:00pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Sovietobserver says...

southy wrote:
The real problem,s to the city apart from this Tory Council, is the V shape and the council chucking every thing down in the bottom of the V, we need to move things to the North give the city some room. another problem is people cutting though the city and not using the motorway. The whole city needs to replanned.
Southy as you quote 'move things to the North of the city' . An improvement on that idea could come next year when the left inevitably will be back in power.They could issue compulsory purchase orders on all the more lower density residential areas like Bassett, Highfield, West Portswood etc. Clear these areas in stages , and replace the areas with high density tower block complexes with only the very minimum of parking allocated , just for the vehicles of key workers who may need them. Then connect these complexes to the district centres as well as the city centre with an efficient super-tram system.
All this could be then financed by charging all the car commuters travelling in to the city from the Tory strongholds such as the New Forest, Test Valley, Winchester, Fareham etc. a congestion charge.
This would be a more natural way of reducing the existing traffic congestion
and lead to less traffic lights being required as well as improving the living standards of residents living in the more impoverished inner city areas who could be rehoused, as then the houses left in the old abandoned areas would be bought up by the rich Tory parents to accomodate their student offspring. It would also put pressure on the surrounding Tory councils to provide more employment opportunities in their own areas instead.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The real problem,s to the city apart from this Tory Council, is the V shape and the council chucking every thing down in the bottom of the V, we need to move things to the North give the city some room. another problem is people cutting though the city and not using the motorway. The whole city needs to replanned.[/p][/quote]Southy as you quote 'move things to the North of the city' . An improvement on that idea could come next year when the left inevitably will be back in power.They could issue compulsory purchase orders on all the more lower density residential areas like Bassett, Highfield, West Portswood etc. Clear these areas in stages , and replace the areas with high density tower block complexes with only the very minimum of parking allocated , just for the vehicles of key workers who may need them. Then connect these complexes to the district centres as well as the city centre with an efficient super-tram system. All this could be then financed by charging all the car commuters travelling in to the city from the Tory strongholds such as the New Forest, Test Valley, Winchester, Fareham etc. a congestion charge. This would be a more natural way of reducing the existing traffic congestion and lead to less traffic lights being required as well as improving the living standards of residents living in the more impoverished inner city areas who could be rehoused, as then the houses left in the old abandoned areas would be bought up by the rich Tory parents to accomodate their student offspring. It would also put pressure on the surrounding Tory councils to provide more employment opportunities in their own areas instead. Sovietobserver
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2:17pm Mon 3 Oct 11

southy says...

Sovietobserver wrote:
southy wrote:
The real problem,s to the city apart from this Tory Council, is the V shape and the council chucking every thing down in the bottom of the V, we need to move things to the North give the city some room. another problem is people cutting though the city and not using the motorway. The whole city needs to replanned.
Southy as you quote 'move things to the North of the city' . An improvement on that idea could come next year when the left inevitably will be back in power.They could issue compulsory purchase orders on all the more lower density residential areas like Bassett, Highfield, West Portswood etc. Clear these areas in stages , and replace the areas with high density tower block complexes with only the very minimum of parking allocated , just for the vehicles of key workers who may need them. Then connect these complexes to the district centres as well as the city centre with an efficient super-tram system.
All this could be then financed by charging all the car commuters travelling in to the city from the Tory strongholds such as the New Forest, Test Valley, Winchester, Fareham etc. a congestion charge.
This would be a more natural way of reducing the existing traffic congestion
and lead to less traffic lights being required as well as improving the living standards of residents living in the more impoverished inner city areas who could be rehoused, as then the houses left in the old abandoned areas would be bought up by the rich Tory parents to accomodate their student offspring. It would also put pressure on the surrounding Tory councils to provide more employment opportunities in their own areas instead.
Building a bridge across the lower part of Southampton waters would help to, that would cut down the amount off traffic that use Southampton has a rat run.
[quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The real problem,s to the city apart from this Tory Council, is the V shape and the council chucking every thing down in the bottom of the V, we need to move things to the North give the city some room. another problem is people cutting though the city and not using the motorway. The whole city needs to replanned.[/p][/quote]Southy as you quote 'move things to the North of the city' . An improvement on that idea could come next year when the left inevitably will be back in power.They could issue compulsory purchase orders on all the more lower density residential areas like Bassett, Highfield, West Portswood etc. Clear these areas in stages , and replace the areas with high density tower block complexes with only the very minimum of parking allocated , just for the vehicles of key workers who may need them. Then connect these complexes to the district centres as well as the city centre with an efficient super-tram system. All this could be then financed by charging all the car commuters travelling in to the city from the Tory strongholds such as the New Forest, Test Valley, Winchester, Fareham etc. a congestion charge. This would be a more natural way of reducing the existing traffic congestion and lead to less traffic lights being required as well as improving the living standards of residents living in the more impoverished inner city areas who could be rehoused, as then the houses left in the old abandoned areas would be bought up by the rich Tory parents to accomodate their student offspring. It would also put pressure on the surrounding Tory councils to provide more employment opportunities in their own areas instead.[/p][/quote]Building a bridge across the lower part of Southampton waters would help to, that would cut down the amount off traffic that use Southampton has a rat run. southy
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2:22pm Mon 3 Oct 11

MGRA says...

some very good points on this thread ! Planners seem to have missed the obvious all these years. The most obvious way forward for southampton is a new junction 6 leading to a huge park-and-ride with 5 minute intervals on the buses during both rush hours, and a river taxi service connecting warsash,hamble, woolston, Itchen,
ocean village, town quay, and totton . It just takes lateral thought and some brave initiatives..... so none of it will happen.
some very good points on this thread ! Planners seem to have missed the obvious all these years. The most obvious way forward for southampton is a new junction 6 leading to a huge park-and-ride with 5 minute intervals on the buses during both rush hours, and a river taxi service connecting warsash,hamble, woolston, Itchen, ocean village, town quay, and totton . It just takes lateral thought and some brave initiatives..... so none of it will happen. MGRA
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2:55pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Lone Ranger. says...

MGRA wrote:
some very good points on this thread ! Planners seem to have missed the obvious all these years. The most obvious way forward for southampton is a new junction 6 leading to a huge park-and-ride with 5 minute intervals on the buses during both rush hours, and a river taxi service connecting warsash,hamble, woolston, Itchen,
ocean village, town quay, and totton . It just takes lateral thought and some brave initiatives..... so none of it will happen.
There was a feasability study carried out a few years ago regarding a Park and Ride at the bottom of the M271 at the end of Gover road, near the Echo offices.
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However it was considered far too expensive and the costs would never be recovered.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: some very good points on this thread ! Planners seem to have missed the obvious all these years. The most obvious way forward for southampton is a new junction 6 leading to a huge park-and-ride with 5 minute intervals on the buses during both rush hours, and a river taxi service connecting warsash,hamble, woolston, Itchen, ocean village, town quay, and totton . It just takes lateral thought and some brave initiatives..... so none of it will happen.[/p][/quote]There was a feasability study carried out a few years ago regarding a Park and Ride at the bottom of the M271 at the end of Gover road, near the Echo offices. . However it was considered far too expensive and the costs would never be recovered. Lone Ranger.
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3:11pm Mon 3 Oct 11

jonnyx says...

I've driven regularly around several British cities and Southampton is definitely the worst for the sheer amount of traffic lights. A regular drive that I do is between Stoneham Lane and Bevois Valley along High Street and Portswood Road - in approximately 4 miles I encounter 14 sets of traffic lights/ pedestrian crossings!!
I've driven regularly around several British cities and Southampton is definitely the worst for the sheer amount of traffic lights. A regular drive that I do is between Stoneham Lane and Bevois Valley along High Street and Portswood Road - in approximately 4 miles I encounter 14 sets of traffic lights/ pedestrian crossings!! jonnyx
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4:13pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Voice of Concern says...

Zeo wrote:
Transport Ideas;

Inner City
Expand The I.O.W Car Ferry port further into the sea, build a double track metro railway system looping from Southampton Tunnel/South-Western Mail to Millbrook Railway Station, reopening Northam, Terminus, IOW/Water Front Station - Portsmouth and Lymington have a direct Ferry/Rail link so why cant we? This will allow more of an inner city rail link a bit like Yorkshire's. With Links going to Fawley, Portsmouth, Salisbury/Romsey & Winchester.

West Site
Reopen the Fawley Branch line to reduce traffic on the West.
Also Reopen Nursling Station with a Park and Ride.

East Side
Open up a Park & Ride/express Tram Line from Bursledon Roundabout where a P&P would be and a line going along the A3024 to Southampton with stops at, Hightown, Antelope Park, Bitterne, Bitterne Station, Northam Train Station/Depot, Civic Center and Terminating at West Quay. Redeveloping Albion Pl/Castle Way car parks into a Tram Terminus.

Maybe another Express Tram Route from Charles Watts Way with Park & Ride, but also going to Hedge End/Rose Bowl

North;
Express Bus Service/Park & Ride at Chilworth Drove, going through the forest and connecting up at Coxford Road, Aldermoore, Hospital, Maybush Corner, Shirley Pricent, Railway Station P4 side, Civic Center, West Quay and Vincents Walk.

Instead of saying whats to blame try brining in better transport and share your ideas!!!
Excellent idea's, just one question,,,,who pay's for this?
[quote][p][bold]Zeo[/bold] wrote: Transport Ideas; Inner City Expand The I.O.W Car Ferry port further into the sea, build a double track metro railway system looping from Southampton Tunnel/South-Western Mail to Millbrook Railway Station, reopening Northam, Terminus, IOW/Water Front Station - Portsmouth and Lymington have a direct Ferry/Rail link so why cant we? This will allow more of an inner city rail link a bit like Yorkshire's. With Links going to Fawley, Portsmouth, Salisbury/Romsey & Winchester. West Site Reopen the Fawley Branch line to reduce traffic on the West. Also Reopen Nursling Station with a Park and Ride. East Side Open up a Park & Ride/express Tram Line from Bursledon Roundabout where a P&P would be and a line going along the A3024 to Southampton with stops at, Hightown, Antelope Park, Bitterne, Bitterne Station, Northam Train Station/Depot, Civic Center and Terminating at West Quay. Redeveloping Albion Pl/Castle Way car parks into a Tram Terminus. Maybe another Express Tram Route from Charles Watts Way with Park & Ride, but also going to Hedge End/Rose Bowl North; Express Bus Service/Park & Ride at Chilworth Drove, going through the forest and connecting up at Coxford Road, Aldermoore, Hospital, Maybush Corner, Shirley Pricent, Railway Station P4 side, Civic Center, West Quay and Vincents Walk. Instead of saying whats to blame try brining in better transport and share your ideas!!![/p][/quote]Excellent idea's, just one question,,,,who pay's for this? Voice of Concern
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4:18pm Mon 3 Oct 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

jonnyx wrote:
I've driven regularly around several British cities and Southampton is definitely the worst for the sheer amount of traffic lights. A regular drive that I do is between Stoneham Lane and Bevois Valley along High Street and Portswood Road - in approximately 4 miles I encounter 14 sets of traffic lights/ pedestrian crossings!!
Yes indeed and with current road works the traffic light phasing is completely useless.
[quote][p][bold]jonnyx[/bold] wrote: I've driven regularly around several British cities and Southampton is definitely the worst for the sheer amount of traffic lights. A regular drive that I do is between Stoneham Lane and Bevois Valley along High Street and Portswood Road - in approximately 4 miles I encounter 14 sets of traffic lights/ pedestrian crossings!![/p][/quote]Yes indeed and with current road works the traffic light phasing is completely useless. OSPREYSAINT
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4:22pm Mon 3 Oct 11

OSPREYSAINT says...

The more that public transport is cut back the more private vehicles will be on the roads.
The more that public transport is cut back the more private vehicles will be on the roads. OSPREYSAINT
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5:07pm Mon 3 Oct 11

arizonan says...

Another reason Liverpool should have turnaround status for cruise holidays.
Imagine after a 250 mile drive, to be faced with 6 cruise ships in Southampton and having to fight your way through the chaos to get to your ship.
And a fifth terminal is being planned!.
Another reason Liverpool should have turnaround status for cruise holidays. Imagine after a 250 mile drive, to be faced with 6 cruise ships in Southampton and having to fight your way through the chaos to get to your ship. And a fifth terminal is being planned!. arizonan
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5:13pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Safehands says...

Our traffic would be eased if the Gas Network didn't have to dig our roads up every 5 minutes, then come back a little later and dig them up again.

Those temporary traffic lights are infuriating.
Our traffic would be eased if the Gas Network didn't have to dig our roads up every 5 minutes, then come back a little later and dig them up again. Those temporary traffic lights are infuriating. Safehands
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5:28pm Mon 3 Oct 11

phil maccavity says...

arizonan wrote:
Another reason Liverpool should have turnaround status for cruise holidays.
Imagine after a 250 mile drive, to be faced with 6 cruise ships in Southampton and having to fight your way through the chaos to get to your ship.
And a fifth terminal is being planned!.
An alternative would be for Southampton to receive a small fraction of the £2.5 BILLION, I repeat £2.5 BILLION, that Liverpool has received in grant aid in recent years.
Interesting to see that Merseyside is to get even more Govt assistance to build a second Mersey crossing.
Just a small proportion of the largesse given to Merseyside would provide Southampton with a gold plated road system!!!!
[quote][p][bold]arizonan[/bold] wrote: Another reason Liverpool should have turnaround status for cruise holidays. Imagine after a 250 mile drive, to be faced with 6 cruise ships in Southampton and having to fight your way through the chaos to get to your ship. And a fifth terminal is being planned!.[/p][/quote]An alternative would be for Southampton to receive a small fraction of the £2.5 BILLION, I repeat £2.5 BILLION, that Liverpool has received in grant aid in recent years. Interesting to see that Merseyside is to get even more Govt assistance to build a second Mersey crossing. Just a small proportion of the largesse given to Merseyside would provide Southampton with a gold plated road system!!!! phil maccavity
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5:33pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Whitters says...

The question is, which idiot approved Ikea to build in the centre of town? The majority of purchases require delivery or a vehicle therefore why wasn't it put on the outskirts?

Improving public transport is a reasonable idea. The transport system would be better designed as a small number of high frequency routes through town (similar to what BlueStar 18 does now) contained to main road and then run feeder services into them.

By introducing tickets that allow one journey to be made by changing services, most trips will be accomplished with 1 change of vehicle nearly all with 2 changes.

The problem is that people expect a bus service to take them to their destination on a single route. This means that public transport is more thinly distributed to manage this.
The question is, which idiot approved Ikea to build in the centre of town? The majority of purchases require delivery or a vehicle therefore why wasn't it put on the outskirts? Improving public transport is a reasonable idea. The transport system would be better designed as a small number of high frequency routes through town (similar to what BlueStar 18 does now) contained to main road and then run feeder services into them. By introducing tickets that allow one journey to be made by changing services, most trips will be accomplished with 1 change of vehicle nearly all with 2 changes. The problem is that people expect a bus service to take them to their destination on a single route. This means that public transport is more thinly distributed to manage this. Whitters
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5:42pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Nearly an OAP says...

No wonder traffic is so bad in Southampton. List these: High bus fares (forget the OAP bus passes) encouraging people to take their cars; the loss of Western Esplanade when West Quay was built; building IKEA in the city centre was sheer lunacy; cars entering the docks for cruise ships must go through the city; failure of the unirail system around the city centre; redevelopment of dock related buildings into apartments. The list is endless.
No wonder traffic is so bad in Southampton. List these: High bus fares (forget the OAP bus passes) encouraging people to take their cars; the loss of Western Esplanade when West Quay was built; building IKEA in the city centre was sheer lunacy; cars entering the docks for cruise ships must go through the city; failure of the unirail system around the city centre; redevelopment of dock related buildings into apartments. The list is endless. Nearly an OAP
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8:47pm Mon 3 Oct 11

dango says...

I think I have the answer. It's all down to the company who makes and sets the phases of the lights. Siemens - a German company, are thwarting our plans to drive to work and rebuild the economy. For you, Tommy ze commute ist over!
I think I have the answer. It's all down to the company who makes and sets the phases of the lights. Siemens - a German company, are thwarting our plans to drive to work and rebuild the economy. For you, Tommy ze commute ist over! dango
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10:24am Tue 4 Oct 11

garlic says...

Whitters wrote:
The question is, which idiot approved Ikea to build in the centre of town? The majority of purchases require delivery or a vehicle therefore why wasn't it put on the outskirts?

Improving public transport is a reasonable idea. The transport system would be better designed as a small number of high frequency routes through town (similar to what BlueStar 18 does now) contained to main road and then run feeder services into them.

By introducing tickets that allow one journey to be made by changing services, most trips will be accomplished with 1 change of vehicle nearly all with 2 changes.

The problem is that people expect a bus service to take them to their destination on a single route. This means that public transport is more thinly distributed to manage this.
I don't mind changing buses, but the bus routes are too few and far between and it takes the **** when having to wait 20 mins between changing buses only for the bus t be another 10 ins late.

Can't believe so few of these posts have mentioned public transport as a potential solution. Southampton's public transport should be a hell of a lot better, I love going away to European cities and actually being able to get around thanks to (affordable) metros, trams, bike rental etc.

It's one of the few things that I would actually expect my taxes to be paid on.
[quote][p][bold]Whitters[/bold] wrote: The question is, which idiot approved Ikea to build in the centre of town? The majority of purchases require delivery or a vehicle therefore why wasn't it put on the outskirts? Improving public transport is a reasonable idea. The transport system would be better designed as a small number of high frequency routes through town (similar to what BlueStar 18 does now) contained to main road and then run feeder services into them. By introducing tickets that allow one journey to be made by changing services, most trips will be accomplished with 1 change of vehicle nearly all with 2 changes. The problem is that people expect a bus service to take them to their destination on a single route. This means that public transport is more thinly distributed to manage this.[/p][/quote]I don't mind changing buses, but the bus routes are too few and far between and it takes the **** when having to wait 20 mins between changing buses only for the bus t be another 10 ins late. Can't believe so few of these posts have mentioned public transport as a potential solution. Southampton's public transport should be a hell of a lot better, I love going away to European cities and actually being able to get around thanks to (affordable) metros, trams, bike rental etc. It's one of the few things that I would actually expect my taxes to be paid on. garlic
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10:38am Tue 4 Oct 11

G0Rf says...

Southampton doesnt have a park and ride
southampton doesnt have a travel interchange, there should be a travel interchange for bus/coach/train/ferr
y etc all in one place!
Southampton doesnt have a park and ride southampton doesnt have a travel interchange, there should be a travel interchange for bus/coach/train/ferr y etc all in one place! G0Rf
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4:45pm Tue 4 Oct 11

arizonan says...

No use being jealous of another part of the UK getting grants from the EU.
If Southampton had met the criteria for such grants, Southampton would have received them.
And in receiving EU grants, the UK gets part of its contribution to the EU back.
No use being jealous of another part of the UK getting grants from the EU. If Southampton had met the criteria for such grants, Southampton would have received them. And in receiving EU grants, the UK gets part of its contribution to the EU back. arizonan
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