Dyer strike costs Saints vital victory (From Daily Echo)

We wuz robbed!

Another must win game not won as expected.

ship davis the midfielder ,fonte , rodriguez , fox and get a hard number six,decent centre half and free transfer left winger ,then ,they will stay up.

I think we played well. We fielded a strong team and we were unfortunate with a silly mistake. Gaston and Punch played well and I was really impressed with Shaw, big future for him. This is by no means a set back, we played VERY well and just need to keep building. There is nothing we can do about the matches which have gone but if we continue to improve and stick together we will be fine. A great game today lads and a massive improvement. IN ADKINS WE TRUST! COYR!

bad sub calls yet again :(

We must win football games says Adkins,i agree with him 100%.

i thought it was a vast improvement form all other games - jack cork has brought a bit of bite to the mid field and seemed to relish his return to the first team.
dont think rickie had a good game - ramirez is getting fitter - and can only see him playing better.
silly mistake cost us the points today - but keep your heads up lads - it is definitely getting better

kent141 wrote:
We must win football games says Adkins,i agree with him 100%.

5 defeats on the bounce now is it skate?

LJSaint wrote:
I think we played well. We fielded a strong team and we were unfortunate with a silly mistake. Gaston and Punch played well and I was really impressed with Shaw, big future for him. This is by no means a set back, we played VERY well and just need to keep building. There is nothing we can do about the matches which have gone but if we continue to improve and stick together we will be fine. A great game today lads and a massive improvement. IN ADKINS WE TRUST! COYR!

Sensible summary LJ I thought we played well and it never really dropped for us - the difference between bossing it in the Championship and grinding it out in the prem - keep the faith COYR

7saint7 wrote:
bad sub calls yet again :(

Yep

pushamara wrote:

kent141 wrote:
We must win football games says Adkins,i agree with him 100%.

5 defeats on the bounce now is it skate?

Buried in Bury - probably the worst team in L1 but not now!

kent141 wrote:
We must win football games says Adkins,i agree with him 100%.

Another waste of some perfectly good binary.

A point today is still infinitely more than you've managed recently Skate.

dodgy ref

The Music Man wrote:
dodgy ref

dodgy manager

Sacked on monday

scooter75 wrote:

The Music Man wrote:
dodgy ref

dodgy manager

Dodgy team no owners no ground no future - why do you come on here troll boy?

Storm Shadow wrote:
Sacked on monday

At least we have a manager to sack storm shadow over fratton

Swansea were the worst team I've seen so far. Saints did alright because they didn't have to defend. When they did they looked fragile. But, hey ho they went up a place!
Limp on till Jan?

kent141 wrote:
We must win football games says Adkins,i agree with him 100%.

he dident say when though to be honest did he

Reasons to be happy with today:

(1) the Shaman looked excellent at lb. defended well, looked assured going forward and settled Lallana, who looks more confident with shaw support

(2) this was the first game this season whe we never fell behind, says the beeb.

(3) gaston was very tricky, and links well with puncheon, Lallana, spiderman and rickie. Class act.

(4) Clyne and puncheon are forming a great partnership on the right.

(5) guly wasn't even on the bench.

I think Adkins was right to protect shaw for the last 15 mins, because shaw was looking a little less sharp and you need to protect the kids at this level. Shaw cn now look forward to qpr.

Shame that mayuka and ward-Prowse weren't given runs. But the team was playing well right up to the final whistle, nd for mce Nigel didn't sub our best players.

All of this is progress. Bring on qpr.

City Saint wrote:
Reasons to be happy with today:

(1) the Shaman looked excellent at lb. defended well, looked assured going forward and settled Lallana, who looks more confident with shaw support

(2) this was the first game this season whe we never fell behind, says the beeb.

(3) gaston was very tricky, and links well with puncheon, Lallana, spiderman and rickie. Class act.

(4) Clyne and puncheon are forming a great partnership on the right.

(5) guly wasn't even on the bench.

I think Adkins was right to protect shaw for the last 15 mins, because shaw was looking a little less sharp and you need to protect the kids at this level. Shaw cn now look forward to qpr.

Shame that mayuka and ward-Prowse weren't given runs. But the team was playing well right up to the final whistle, nd for mce Nigel didn't sub our best players.

All of this is progress. Bring on qpr.

Like, good summary. This is the start of the end of the bad run.

Shaw was taken off because he had cramp.

Solid game today. Never looked as though we were going to loose...

Shame about shipping the goal, but we should have had a pen...

Much better today. Solid performance all round, just a shame we didn't get the win.

P.s for the anti-Adkins brigade - shame on you!

SaintMax wrote:

City Saint wrote:
Reasons to be happy with today:

(1) the Shaman looked excellent at lb. defended well, looked assured going forward and settled Lallana, who looks more confident with shaw support

(2) this was the first game this season whe we never fell behind, says the beeb.

(3) gaston was very tricky, and links well with puncheon, Lallana, spiderman and rickie. Class act.

(4) Clyne and puncheon are forming a great partnership on the right.

(5) guly wasn't even on the bench.

I think Adkins was right to protect shaw for the last 15 mins, because shaw was looking a little less sharp and you need to protect the kids at this level. Shaw cn now look forward to qpr.

Shame that mayuka and ward-Prowse weren't given runs. But the team was playing well right up to the final whistle, nd for mce Nigel didn't sub our best players.

All of this is progress. Bring on qpr.

Like, good summary. This is the start of the end of the bad run.

Agree with most of it except senseless criticism of Guly. Blind hatred, and blinder crisitcism does not really help things. If he plays and he actually plays badly, go for it by all means.

I was thinking Gaston should come of as he was the most of anybody guilty of giving the ball away in the first half and wasting a couple of very good chances. I was thinking he might still not be match fit, but he turned on the style in the second!! Good move by Adkins not to sub him.

No problems with the Shaw subsititution as he cramped up according to Adkins.

Nice to see Cortese stand up and applaud the manager and the players at the end. He may not say much to the media or give the dreaded backing of support to the manager, but in this case for me actions spoke louder than words.

Yep we sure have a leeky defence!

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
Yep we sure have a leeky defence!

Leaked 2 goals at Bury today didn't you Obese one nobody

Storm Shadow wrote:
Sacked on monday

Evening "Black Knight" things getting bad your way ? Cherries are even ahead.

Gazzaniga put Maya under pressure for the goal but he should have handled it better. Another individual error NA can't control.

Nothing wrong with the subs.

Good performance but must stop giving away the lead. 13 points dropped from winning positions so far - if we'd kept them we'd be 6th.

Well we made ground on Sunderland and it's looking like on Villa as well, they have just gone 2 3 down after leading 2 0. A couple of minutes to go.

kent141 wrote:
Another must win game not won as expected.

"Black Night" you should be on your own forum site. Calling for guy whittingham to be sacked ! Skate FC hitting even lower depths, The mighty mighty Bury

I thought we gave it a good go today...with more shots on target, a few decisions in our favour and a little rub of the green.
Shaw looked great against a half decent attacking opponents imo...just what we needed.
Is it just me....or do we need to stop trying to walk the ball into the net and just try taking a few more speculative shots on goal?
Regardless...not the points we wanted...but a definate improved performance....unlik
e the skunts.
Nice one Bury! :O)

Did anyone get a clear sight of those three Penalty shouts? Will have to watch the replays if they show them. I thought it was harsh to book Lala, there seemed to be contact.

Baddesley Bill wrote:
I thought we gave it a good go today...with more shots on target, a few decisions in our favour and a little rub of the green.
Shaw looked great against a half decent attacking opponents imo...just what we needed.
Is it just me....or do we need to stop trying to walk the ball into the net and just try taking a few more speculative shots on goal?
Regardless...not the points we wanted...but a definate improved performance....unlik

e the skunts.
Nice one Bury! :O)

*..."with a little rub of the green we could have taken all 3pts."
Jeez....missed out half a sentence there!

kent141 wrote:
Another must win game not won as expected.

Come on Doncaster Rovers.

Storm Shadow wrote:
Sacked on monday

We are not really interested in your employment status, if you want sympathy go on The News site and tell them, I am sure they haven't anything more serious to worry about.

Manure have done us favour, Hernandez did the dirty work.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Did anyone get a clear sight of those three Penalty shouts? Will have to watch the replays if they show them. I thought it was harsh to book Lala, there seemed to be contact.

I thought the last shout was a sure fire pen.
The others looked more 50/50...but the booking did seem harsh to me.

Good Performance today. With one stupid mistake. When will we learn ? If we had a better ref we would have won for sure. Still a point is a point and we have gained on villa & Sunderland. Onwards and upwards

mack chinnon wrote:

kent141 wrote:
Another must win game not won as expected.

Come on Doncaster Rovers.

Well done Bury

LJSaint wrote:
I think we played well. We fielded a strong team and we were unfortunate with a silly mistake. Gaston and Punch played well and I was really impressed with Shaw, big future for him. This is by no means a set back, we played VERY well and just need to keep building. There is nothing we can do about the matches which have gone but if we continue to improve and stick together we will be fine. A great game today lads and a massive improvement. IN ADKINS WE TRUST! COYR!

here here

If Yoshida was to blame for the first, he made up for it with a superb saving tackle late on.

Skate FC players getting tetchy 5 bookings = fine from the football league. Oh how will they pay that ?

A poor Swansea team and still we
dropped points.Sorry, this has made
relegation a virtual certainty.It is just a
question of who will finish bottom -
Saints or QPR.
By the time the Jan window arrives it
will be too late and,lets be realistic,
"star" players will not want to sign for a
team that is going to be relegated.
I have said before no defenders
signed.Why was Buttner not signed?
He wanted to come -there was a problem with a fee to a third party
which we were told was resolved -
but the deal just went dead.The rest
is history - Sir Alex said " thank you
very much" and signed him up.
I have supported Saints for over 60 years and will continue to do so but
I feel very sad tonight.This really
was the last chance to kick start the
season and the reality is that we failed.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
If Yoshida was to blame for the first, he made up for it with a superb saving tackle late on.

spot on don.

kent141 wrote:
Another must win game not won as expected.

ti know how could we lose at bury .oh dear were going down .as expected

Come on Orient

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
If Yoshida was to blame for the first, he made up for it with a superb saving tackle late on.

Yoshida good throughout. Was not all that clever for the goal, but then again Gazzaniga, can probably take most of the credit for that.

Nice to see us looking pretty composed, especially aftert the WBA debacle. Such an improvement.

The only way (bar QPR) is up!!

How many corners.

saintmac wrote:
A poor Swansea team and still we
dropped points.Sorry, this has made
relegation a virtual certainty.It is just a
question of who will finish bottom -
Saints or QPR.
By the time the Jan window arrives it
will be too late and,lets be realistic,
"star" players will not want to sign for a
team that is going to be relegated.
I have said before no defenders
signed.Why was Buttner not signed?
He wanted to come -there was a problem with a fee to a third party
which we were told was resolved -
but the deal just went dead.The rest
is history - Sir Alex said " thank you
very much" and signed him up.
I have supported Saints for over 60 years and will continue to do so but
I feel very sad tonight.This really
was the last chance to kick start the
season and the reality is that we failed.

well said kent141

Was at the game. Frustrating. Gazingaa had little to do; Clyne average not as good as he was earlier in the season; Fonte didn't realise until towards the end he was playing- little to do; Yashida a good game and saved the day late on with a good tackle; Shaw excellent; Spider apart from a lucky goal did little; Cork good but tired after 60 minutes understandably; Ramirez quiet never worth 12 million; Lalana poor too light and not a premiership player or captain; Lambert lazy and ineffective; Puncheon busy and the most effective outfield player.

Why no substitutions other than Fox who came on as Shaw was cramping up. Thought Fox did ok. Cork was tiring and Spider / Ramirez not delevering why then leave JWP and Davis on bench when they could have come on and injected some energy into the midfield. The way JWP is being left out now he will clearly following the likes of Bale and the Ox. I hear the big clubs are interested in him. I think NA is frightened to make substitutions as he's been so heavily criticised for past mistakes.

Shoukd have been a win against a poor Swansea side!!!!!!

I was at the game today and I thought we played well. Both sides passed the ball with style and I thought it was a good game. Saints were the better team. We should have won. We gave away a sloppy goal but really should have scored two or three. Lots of positives. As one. . . If we build on this with a win next weekend at QPR then the only way is up. Coyrs !!

scooter75 wrote:

saintmac wrote:
A poor Swansea team and still we
dropped points.Sorry, this has made
relegation a virtual certainty.It is just a
question of who will finish bottom -
Saints or QPR.
By the time the Jan window arrives it
will be too late and,lets be realistic,
"star" players will not want to sign for a
team that is going to be relegated.
I have said before no defenders
signed.Why was Buttner not signed?
He wanted to come -there was a problem with a fee to a third party
which we were told was resolved -
but the deal just went dead.The rest
is history - Sir Alex said " thank you
very much" and signed him up.
I have supported Saints for over 60 years and will continue to do so but
I feel very sad tonight.This really
was the last chance to kick start the
season and the reality is that we failed.

well said kent141

Got it in a nutshell great comment!!!!

Chriops wrote:
Shaw was taken off because he had cramp.

Solid game today. Never looked as though we were going to loose...

Shame about shipping the goal, but we should have had a pen...

Much better today. Solid performance all round, just a shame we didn't get the win.

P.s for the anti-Adkins brigade - shame on you!

Like!

Most of the anti's don't even go!

Great support for the team and the manager today, I struggle to see how the BBC called the atmosphere 'subdued', a tad nervy at times maybe but loads of passion. Loads of positives although of course a clean sheet is what we really needed. Can't emphasise enough the difference Cork makes. IMO the best eleven started. All in all a good day not a great day.

STID

saintmac wrote:
A poor Swansea team and still we
dropped points.Sorry, this has made
relegation a virtual certainty.It is just a
question of who will finish bottom -
Saints or QPR.
By the time the Jan window arrives it
will be too late and,lets be realistic,
"star" players will not want to sign for a
team that is going to be relegated.
I have said before no defenders
signed.Why was Buttner not signed?
He wanted to come -there was a problem with a fee to a third party
which we were told was resolved -
but the deal just went dead.The rest
is history - Sir Alex said " thank you
very much" and signed him up.
I have supported Saints for over 60 years and will continue to do so but
I feel very sad tonight.This really
was the last chance to kick start the
season and the reality is that we failed.

Disagree..Swansea are not a poor side right now.
I still firmly believe there are poorer sides than us in the Prem. I firmly believe that we will not be cut adrift come January. I firmly believe that our gaps will be plugged.
Regardless of whatever I firmly believe...I absolutely KNOW that we follow our Club though thick and thin.
Our Club will not let us down in the long run...keep the faith.

scooter75 wrote:

kent141 wrote:
We must win football games says Adkins,i agree with him 100%.

he dident say when though to be honest did he

how you could do with though low in league one where we were ,but your never get no one like him.your going down with your mary rose .id say your buryied .tesco is waitng every little bit helps

saintmicky wrote:

Chriops wrote:
Shaw was taken off because he had cramp.

Solid game today. Never looked as though we were going to loose...

Shame about shipping the goal, but we should have had a pen...

Much better today. Solid performance all round, just a shame we didn't get the win.

P.s for the anti-Adkins brigade - shame on you!

Like!

Most of the anti's don't even go!

Great support for the team and the manager today, I struggle to see how the BBC called the atmosphere 'subdued', a tad nervy at times maybe but loads of passion. Loads of positives although of course a clean sheet is what we really needed. Can't emphasise enough the difference Cork makes. IMO the best eleven started. All in all a good day not a great day.

STID

The atmoshere was subdued due to the fact that most people are not expecting to win even when being a goal up.

saintmac wrote:
A poor Swansea team and still we
dropped points.Sorry, this has made
relegation a virtual certainty.It is just a
question of who will finish bottom -
Saints or QPR.
By the time the Jan window arrives it
will be too late and,lets be realistic,
"star" players will not want to sign for a
team that is going to be relegated.
I have said before no defenders
signed.Why was Buttner not signed?
He wanted to come -there was a problem with a fee to a third party
which we were told was resolved -
but the deal just went dead.The rest
is history - Sir Alex said " thank you
very much" and signed him up.
I have supported Saints for over 60 years and will continue to do so but
I feel very sad tonight.This really
was the last chance to kick start the
season and the reality is that we failed.

Gloom & doom merchant get some backbone man. No stomach for a fight. Hope you are not around if someones life is In jeopardy.

saintmicky wrote:

Chriops wrote:
Shaw was taken off because he had cramp.

Solid game today. Never looked as though we were going to loose...

Shame about shipping the goal, but we should have had a pen...

Much better today. Solid performance all round, just a shame we didn't get the win.

P.s for the anti-Adkins brigade - shame on you!

Like!

Most of the anti's don't even go!

Great support for the team and the manager today, I struggle to see how the BBC called the atmosphere 'subdued', a tad nervy at times maybe but loads of passion. Loads of positives although of course a clean sheet is what we really needed. Can't emphasise enough the difference Cork makes. IMO the best eleven started. All in all a good day not a great day.

STID

Yep that is our strongest 11 without doubt,with the three most creative players on the pitch at once,punch,lallana and gaston.just got to learn to bring on the pace at the right moment and dont be afraid to sub ricky for pace if we have to.
Massive improvement,shaw was excellent and NA has something to build on at last.
I would of liked to have seen JWP on at some point,but overall a big step forward.

saintmac wrote:
A poor Swansea team and still we
dropped points.Sorry, this has made
relegation a virtual certainty.It is just a
question of who will finish bottom -
Saints or QPR.
By the time the Jan window arrives it
will be too late and,lets be realistic,
"star" players will not want to sign for a
team that is going to be relegated.
I have said before no defenders
signed.Why was Buttner not signed?
He wanted to come -there was a problem with a fee to a third party
which we were told was resolved -
but the deal just went dead.The rest
is history - Sir Alex said " thank you
very much" and signed him up.
I have supported Saints for over 60 years and will continue to do so but
I feel very sad tonight.This really
was the last chance to kick start the
season and the reality is that we failed.

You are breaking my heart with this depressing scenario, we picked up a point on Sunderland and Villa today, it's not all bad. No good crying over Buttner, I smelt a rat over the whole scenario, he hasn't really been that good. Come on now cheer up, look for the positives, Shaw was the youngest player ever to start for us in the Premier did he look out of place to you?

scooter75 wrote:

saintmicky wrote:

Chriops wrote:
Shaw was taken off because he had cramp.

Solid game today. Never looked as though we were going to loose...

Shame about shipping the goal, but we should have had a pen...

Much better today. Solid performance all round, just a shame we didn't get the win.

P.s for the anti-Adkins brigade - shame on you!

Like!

Most of the anti's don't even go!

Great support for the team and the manager today, I struggle to see how the BBC called the atmosphere 'subdued', a tad nervy at times maybe but loads of passion. Loads of positives although of course a clean sheet is what we really needed. Can't emphasise enough the difference Cork makes. IMO the best eleven started. All in all a good day not a great day.

STID

The atmoshere was subdued due to the fact that most people are not expecting to win even when being a goal up.

The slow version of OWTS just before half time was excellent, a couple of decent bass voices near me really gave it some tone, it was more like a Welsh choir than the Numpties in the away end.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

scooter75 wrote:

saintmicky wrote:

Chriops wrote:
Shaw was taken off because he had cramp.

Solid game today. Never looked as though we were going to loose...

Shame about shipping the goal, but we should have had a pen...

Much better today. Solid performance all round, just a shame we didn't get the win.

P.s for the anti-Adkins brigade - shame on you!

Like!

Most of the anti's don't even go!

Great support for the team and the manager today, I struggle to see how the BBC called the atmosphere 'subdued', a tad nervy at times maybe but loads of passion. Loads of positives although of course a clean sheet is what we really needed. Can't emphasise enough the difference Cork makes. IMO the best eleven started. All in all a good day not a great day.

STID

The atmoshere was subdued due to the fact that most people are not expecting to win even when being a goal up.

The slow version of OWTS just before half time was excellent, a couple of decent bass voices near me really gave it some tone, it was more like a Welsh choir than the Numpties in the away end.

more like the spurs fans version, its a total joke singing like a 33rpm record.

mack chinnon wrote:
How many corners.

We had 10 they had 6, I would have preferred someone else taking them with Rambo in the danger zone. Best corner from the right of course was Foxes, but the GK just got there first. Although Lambo went close with one of Rambos deliveries. Even these were improvement from recent games where most corners have either hit the first defender or have been overhit into no mans land, certainly an area that can be improved upon.

scooter75 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

scooter75 wrote:

saintmicky wrote:

Chriops wrote:
Shaw was taken off because he had cramp.

Solid game today. Never looked as though we were going to loose...

Shame about shipping the goal, but we should have had a pen...

Much better today. Solid performance all round, just a shame we didn't get the win.

P.s for the anti-Adkins brigade - shame on you!

Like!

Most of the anti's don't even go!

Great support for the team and the manager today, I struggle to see how the BBC called the atmosphere 'subdued', a tad nervy at times maybe but loads of passion. Loads of positives although of course a clean sheet is what we really needed. Can't emphasise enough the difference Cork makes. IMO the best eleven started. All in all a good day not a great day.

STID

The atmoshere was subdued due to the fact that most people are not expecting to win even when being a goal up.

The slow version of OWTS just before half time was excellent, a couple of decent bass voices near me really gave it some tone, it was more like a Welsh choir than the Numpties in the away end.

more like the spurs fans version, its a total joke singing like a 33rpm record.

Yes? Well what do I know, if I started singing the Stadium would empty quicker than Fratton Park at the Brentford game.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

scooter75 wrote:

saintmicky wrote:

Chriops wrote:
Shaw was taken off because he had cramp.

Solid game today. Never looked as though we were going to loose...

Shame about shipping the goal, but we should have had a pen...

Much better today. Solid performance all round, just a shame we didn't get the win.

P.s for the anti-Adkins brigade - shame on you!

Like!

Most of the anti's don't even go!

Great support for the team and the manager today, I struggle to see how the BBC called the atmosphere 'subdued', a tad nervy at times maybe but loads of passion. Loads of positives although of course a clean sheet is what we really needed. Can't emphasise enough the difference Cork makes. IMO the best eleven started. All in all a good day not a great day.

STID

The atmoshere was subdued due to the fact that most people are not expecting to win even when being a goal up.

The slow version of OWTS just before half time was excellent, a couple of decent bass voices near me really gave it some tone, it was more like a Welsh choir than the Numpties in the away end.

There is a very understandable nervousness around our stadium at times...when we put the pressure on, the atmosphere was superb.
The Itchen South Bovril Dogs of War played their part COYR!!!

PS I would assume the atmosphere at Bury was ok by their usual standards today too. Well done Bury :O)

scooter75 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

scooter75 wrote:

saintmicky wrote:

Chriops wrote: Shaw was taken off because he had cramp. Solid game today. Never looked as though we were going to loose... Shame about shipping the goal, but we should have had a pen... Much better today. Solid performance all round, just a shame we didn't get the win. P.s for the anti-Adkins brigade - shame on you!

Like! Most of the anti's don't even go! Great support for the team and the manager today, I struggle to see how the BBC called the atmosphere 'subdued', a tad nervy at times maybe but loads of passion. Loads of positives although of course a clean sheet is what we really needed. Can't emphasise enough the difference Cork makes. IMO the best eleven started. All in all a good day not a great day. STID

The atmoshere was subdued due to the fact that most people are not expecting to win even when being a goal up.

The slow version of OWTS just before half time was excellent, a couple of decent bass voices near me really gave it some tone, it was more like a Welsh choir than the Numpties in the away end.

more like the spurs fans version, its a total joke singing like a 33rpm record.

Think you will find we were singing it that way long before spurs started to!

Baddesley Bill wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

scooter75 wrote:

saintmicky wrote:

Chriops wrote:
Shaw was taken off because he had cramp.

Solid game today. Never looked as though we were going to loose...

Shame about shipping the goal, but we should have had a pen...

Much better today. Solid performance all round, just a shame we didn't get the win.

P.s for the anti-Adkins brigade - shame on you!

Like!

Most of the anti's don't even go!

Great support for the team and the manager today, I struggle to see how the BBC called the atmosphere 'subdued', a tad nervy at times maybe but loads of passion. Loads of positives although of course a clean sheet is what we really needed. Can't emphasise enough the difference Cork makes. IMO the best eleven started. All in all a good day not a great day.

STID

The atmoshere was subdued due to the fact that most people are not expecting to win even when being a goal up.

The slow version of OWTS just before half time was excellent, a couple of decent bass voices near me really gave it some tone, it was more like a Welsh choir than the Numpties in the away end.

There is a very understandable nervousness around our stadium at times...when we put the pressure on, the atmosphere was superb.
The Itchen South Bovril Dogs of War played their part COYR!!!

PS I would assume the atmosphere at Bury was ok by their usual standards today too. Well done Bury :O)

There was a massive 3,280 fans crammed into the Shakers ground, the noise of the blue phew breaking wind must have been horrendous. However you could have heard pin drop with the silence of our 30,501. Well for at least a minute anyway.

Baddesley Bill wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

scooter75 wrote:

saintmicky wrote:

Chriops wrote:
Shaw was taken off because he had cramp.

Solid game today. Never looked as though we were going to loose...

Shame about shipping the goal, but we should have had a pen...

Much better today. Solid performance all round, just a shame we didn't get the win.

P.s for the anti-Adkins brigade - shame on you!

Like!

Most of the anti's don't even go!

Great support for the team and the manager today, I struggle to see how the BBC called the atmosphere 'subdued', a tad nervy at times maybe but loads of passion. Loads of positives although of course a clean sheet is what we really needed. Can't emphasise enough the difference Cork makes. IMO the best eleven started. All in all a good day not a great day.

STID

The atmoshere was subdued due to the fact that most people are not expecting to win even when being a goal up.

The slow version of OWTS just before half time was excellent, a couple of decent bass voices near me really gave it some tone, it was more like a Welsh choir than the Numpties in the away end.

There is a very understandable nervousness around our stadium at times...when we put the pressure on, the atmosphere was superb.
The Itchen South Bovril Dogs of War played their part COYR!!!

PS I would assume the atmosphere at Bury was ok by their usual standards today too. Well done Bury :O)

I second that there was a good rendition coming from the Itchen Corner when the Northam were having a rest, well done it all helps the cause.

pushamara wrote:

scooter75 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

scooter75 wrote:

saintmicky wrote:

Chriops wrote: Shaw was taken off because he had cramp. Solid game today. Never looked as though we were going to loose... Shame about shipping the goal, but we should have had a pen... Much better today. Solid performance all round, just a shame we didn't get the win. P.s for the anti-Adkins brigade - shame on you!

Like! Most of the anti's don't even go! Great support for the team and the manager today, I struggle to see how the BBC called the atmosphere 'subdued', a tad nervy at times maybe but loads of passion. Loads of positives although of course a clean sheet is what we really needed. Can't emphasise enough the difference Cork makes. IMO the best eleven started. All in all a good day not a great day. STID

The atmoshere was subdued due to the fact that most people are not expecting to win even when being a goal up.

The slow version of OWTS just before half time was excellent, a couple of decent bass voices near me really gave it some tone, it was more like a Welsh choir than the Numpties in the away end.

more like the spurs fans version, its a total joke singing like a 33rpm record.

Think you will find we were singing it that way long before spurs started to!

Some people have short memories! Hampshire voices have always been better at it than a load of Dick van Dykes.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

scooter75 wrote:

saintmicky wrote:

Chriops wrote:
Shaw was taken off because he had cramp.

Solid game today. Never looked as though we were going to loose...

Shame about shipping the goal, but we should have had a pen...

Much better today. Solid performance all round, just a shame we didn't get the win.

P.s for the anti-Adkins brigade - shame on you!

Like!

Most of the anti's don't even go!

Great support for the team and the manager today, I struggle to see how the BBC called the atmosphere 'subdued', a tad nervy at times maybe but loads of passion. Loads of positives although of course a clean sheet is what we really needed. Can't emphasise enough the difference Cork makes. IMO the best eleven started. All in all a good day not a great day.

STID

The atmoshere was subdued due to the fact that most people are not expecting to win even when being a goal up.

The slow version of OWTS just before half time was excellent, a couple of decent bass voices near me really gave it some tone, it was more like a Welsh choir than the Numpties in the away end.

There is a very understandable nervousness around our stadium at times...when we put the pressure on, the atmosphere was superb.
The Itchen South Bovril Dogs of War played their part COYR!!!

PS I would assume the atmosphere at Bury was ok by their usual standards today too. Well done Bury :O)

There was a massive 3,280 fans crammed into the Shakers ground, the noise of the blue phew breaking wind must have been horrendous. However you could have heard pin drop with the silence of our 30,501. Well for at least a minute anyway.

Surely there could have only been 280 home supporters then? I can't believe for one moment that the bestest bestest bestest fans in the world (tm) would have taken less than 3000 to an away game.
Perhaps they took the census 20 mins from time when all the Pompey coaches had filled up and gone back home?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Come on Orient

Doncaster first though!

saintlysoul wrote:
Was at the game. Frustrating. Gazingaa had little to do; Clyne average not as good as he was earlier in the season; Fonte didn't realise until towards the end he was playing- little to do; Yashida a good game and saved the day late on with a good tackle; Shaw excellent; Spider apart from a lucky goal did little; Cork good but tired after 60 minutes understandably; Ramirez quiet never worth 12 million; Lalana poor too light and not a premiership player or captain; Lambert lazy and ineffective; Puncheon busy and the most effective outfield player.

Why no substitutions other than Fox who came on as Shaw was cramping up. Thought Fox did ok. Cork was tiring and Spider / Ramirez not delevering why then leave JWP and Davis on bench when they could have come on and injected some energy into the midfield. The way JWP is being left out now he will clearly following the likes of Bale and the Ox. I hear the big clubs are interested in him. I think NA is frightened to make substitutions as he's been so heavily criticised for past mistakes.

Shoukd have been a win against a poor Swansea side!!!!!!

Excellant post,spot on and i am in agreement with you.

Yoshida is quite powerful and at the top of his game,but weather he is prem quality ?
Fox,clyne,de-prado etc,questions ?

As i have said before SFC have about 5 premiership players,but even then most of the players are bordering on championship v premiership.

It might be harsh but come jan i would look at a new back 4 and keeper,2-3 new men in midfield and 1-2 strikers,basically stripping saints of the current starting 11, and the best that are left will form the bench,hard i know but a reality check.
Today was good a draw was a must,and a win would have been brilliant.
Bring on the next game and we will go marching on.... oh and why put sharp on loan.......?????

absolutely knackered i put in one hell of a performance today.

well done saints i am still buzzing so many positives now for QPR

we will stuff them stick with the same team and all will become clear

COYR

saintsfanfairoak wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Was at the game. Frustrating. Gazingaa had little to do; Clyne average not as good as he was earlier in the season; Fonte didn't realise until towards the end he was playing- little to do; Yashida a good game and saved the day late on with a good tackle; Shaw excellent; Spider apart from a lucky goal did little; Cork good but tired after 60 minutes understandably; Ramirez quiet never worth 12 million; Lalana poor too light and not a premiership player or captain; Lambert lazy and ineffective; Puncheon busy and the most effective outfield player.

Why no substitutions other than Fox who came on as Shaw was cramping up. Thought Fox did ok. Cork was tiring and Spider / Ramirez not delevering why then leave JWP and Davis on bench when they could have come on and injected some energy into the midfield. The way JWP is being left out now he will clearly following the likes of Bale and the Ox. I hear the big clubs are interested in him. I think NA is frightened to make substitutions as he's been so heavily criticised for past mistakes.

Shoukd have been a win against a poor Swansea side!!!!!!

Excellant post,spot on and i am in agreement with you.

Yoshida is quite powerful and at the top of his game,but weather he is prem quality ?
Fox,clyne,de-prado etc,questions ?

As i have said before SFC have about 5 premiership players,but even then most of the players are bordering on championship v premiership.

It might be harsh but come jan i would look at a new back 4 and keeper,2-3 new men in midfield and 1-2 strikers,basically stripping saints of the current starting 11, and the best that are left will form the bench,hard i know but a reality check.
Today was good a draw was a must,and a win would have been brilliant.
Bring on the next game and we will go marching on.... oh and why put sharp on loan.......?????

Are you honestly saying that Clyne can't step up to be Prem quality?
Look...we have experienced b2b promotions...we have strengthened..(ok ok...we are not quite there yet). For me, stability and our infrastructure will be the key, but it will take some time and patience to acheive our goals in the long term. I just hope NC sees it that way.

Fairoakbloke...I wonder why Sharp was loaned out myself.
Several times today we bobbled the ball around Swansea's box....and I did wonder whether BS would have just taken the simple option of booting it into the net!

magnette wrote:
Swansea were the worst team I've seen so far. Saints did alright because they didn't have to defend. When they did they looked fragile. But, hey ho they went up a place!
Limp on till Jan?

Surely Aston Villa were the worst side to have visited St Marys this season, but Swansea were so so there for the taking!
True enough it was a missed opportunity. Without doubt JWP or SD should have replaced Cork late on because his lack of match fitness was showing, certainly seconds before the equaliser went in. At least Michu was kept quiet, and we actually saw some positive wing play down the right. Over the last few seasons people have said that The Championship is not too far behind The Prem in footballing terms; how wrong they were. I'm remaining positive. Red Army!! ps: we must go back to red and white stripes next season.......

saintsfanfairoak wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Was at the game. Frustrating. Gazingaa had little to do; Clyne average not as good as he was earlier in the season; Fonte didn't realise until towards the end he was playing- little to do; Yashida a good game and saved the day late on with a good tackle; Shaw excellent; Spider apart from a lucky goal did little; Cork good but tired after 60 minutes understandably; Ramirez quiet never worth 12 million; Lalana poor too light and not a premiership player or captain; Lambert lazy and ineffective; Puncheon busy and the most effective outfield player.

Why no substitutions other than Fox who came on as Shaw was cramping up. Thought Fox did ok. Cork was tiring and Spider / Ramirez not delevering why then leave JWP and Davis on bench when they could have come on and injected some energy into the midfield. The way JWP is being left out now he will clearly following the likes of Bale and the Ox. I hear the big clubs are interested in him. I think NA is frightened to make substitutions as he's been so heavily criticised for past mistakes.

Shoukd have been a win against a poor Swansea side!!!!!!

Excellant post,spot on and i am in agreement with you.

Yoshida is quite powerful and at the top of his game,but weather he is prem quality ?
Fox,clyne,de-prado etc,questions ?

As i have said before SFC have about 5 premiership players,but even then most of the players are bordering on championship v premiership.

It might be harsh but come jan i would look at a new back 4 and keeper,2-3 new men in midfield and 1-2 strikers,basically stripping saints of the current starting 11, and the best that are left will form the bench,hard i know but a reality check.
Today was good a draw was a must,and a win would have been brilliant.
Bring on the next game and we will go marching on.... oh and why put sharp on loan.......?????

In the real world how much are you proposing we spend?

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

saintsfanfairoak wrote:

saintlysoul wrote: Was at the game. Frustrating. Gazingaa had little to do; Clyne average not as good as he was earlier in the season; Fonte didn't realise until towards the end he was playing- little to do; Yashida a good game and saved the day late on with a good tackle; Shaw excellent; Spider apart from a lucky goal did little; Cork good but tired after 60 minutes understandably; Ramirez quiet never worth 12 million; Lalana poor too light and not a premiership player or captain; Lambert lazy and ineffective; Puncheon busy and the most effective outfield player. Why no substitutions other than Fox who came on as Shaw was cramping up. Thought Fox did ok. Cork was tiring and Spider / Ramirez not delevering why then leave JWP and Davis on bench when they could have come on and injected some energy into the midfield. The way JWP is being left out now he will clearly following the likes of Bale and the Ox. I hear the big clubs are interested in him. I think NA is frightened to make substitutions as he's been so heavily criticised for past mistakes. Shoukd have been a win against a poor Swansea side!!!!!!

Excellant post,spot on and i am in agreement with you. Yoshida is quite powerful and at the top of his game,but weather he is prem quality ? Fox,clyne,de-prado etc,questions ? As i have said before SFC have about 5 premiership players,but even then most of the players are bordering on championship v premiership. It might be harsh but come jan i would look at a new back 4 and keeper,2-3 new men in midfield and 1-2 strikers,basically stripping saints of the current starting 11, and the best that are left will form the bench,hard i know but a reality check. Today was good a draw was a must,and a win would have been brilliant. Bring on the next game and we will go marching on.... oh and why put sharp on loan.......?????

In the real world how much are you proposing we spend?

So basically I think they are saying...Saints should do the same thing as QPR and buy lots of Premier League 'has beens' for lots of cash and see how that plays out...sublime plan guys!

Osprey - I agree that Shaw is very
promising which is why he is being
trailed by several clubs.How many of
our promising youngsters will stay if
relegated?
Promised land - I base my conclusions
on what I see.The team give 100% -
always have done,always will do - but
the plain fact in my humble opinion is
that there are not enough players of
prem quality as Saintsfanfairoak
posted earlier.And why oh why did
we not buy some players with
experience to coach the promising
young players?
My comments are born out of
frustation as I feel The Club did not
make the most of the summer
transfers and we are now paying
the price.
I think Steve Davis should be made
captain as I think the captaincy
is affecting Adam's play.
Being a supporter for over 60 years I
certainly do not wish to see Saints relegated but as things are at the
moment it is an all too real scenario.

A big improvement, however we should have beaten a very poor Swansea side.

Cork's return will hopefully turn our season around,I can't explain what it is he does, but the whole team seems more confident when he plays.

saintmac wrote:
Osprey - I agree that Shaw is very
promising which is why he is being
trailed by several clubs.How many of
our promising youngsters will stay if
relegated?
Promised land - I base my conclusions
on what I see.The team give 100% -
always have done,always will do - but
the plain fact in my humble opinion is
that there are not enough players of
prem quality as Saintsfanfairoak
posted earlier.And why oh why did
we not buy some players with
experience to coach the promising
young players?
My comments are born out of
frustation as I feel The Club did not
make the most of the summer
transfers and we are now paying
the price.
I think Steve Davis should be made
captain as I think the captaincy
is affecting Adam's play.
Being a supporter for over 60 years I
certainly do not wish to see Saints relegated but as things are at the
moment it is an all too real scenario.

I agree with much that you say, but I am being accused of saying too much, so all I can say is, that I always look for the positives, and rather shove the negatives under the carpet hoping that they will go away, not very realistic, but that is me. Saints will always be on a roller coaster ride, there will be downs, I enjoy the ups.

Thornhill Saint wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

City Saint wrote:
Reasons to be happy with today:

(1) the Shaman looked excellent at lb. defended well, looked assured going forward and settled Lallana, who looks more confident with shaw support

(2) this was the first game this season whe we never fell behind, says the beeb.

(3) gaston was very tricky, and links well with puncheon, Lallana, spiderman and rickie. Class act.

(4) Clyne and puncheon are forming a great partnership on the right.

(5) guly wasn't even on the bench.

I think Adkins was right to protect shaw for the last 15 mins, because shaw was looking a little less sharp and you need to protect the kids at this level. Shaw cn now look forward to qpr.

Shame that mayuka and ward-Prowse weren't given runs. But the team was playing well right up to the final whistle, nd for mce Nigel didn't sub our best players.

All of this is progress. Bring on qpr.

Like, good summary. This is the start of the end of the bad run.

Agree with most of it except senseless criticism of Guly. Blind hatred, and blinder crisitcism does not really help things. If he plays and he actually plays badly, go for it by all means.

I was thinking Gaston should come of as he was the most of anybody guilty of giving the ball away in the first half and wasting a couple of very good chances. I was thinking he might still not be match fit, but he turned on the style in the second!! Good move by Adkins not to sub him.

No problems with the Shaw subsititution as he cramped up according to Adkins.

Nice to see Cortese stand up and applaud the manager and the players at the end. He may not say much to the media or give the dreaded backing of support to the manager, but in this case for me actions spoke louder than words.

You need to join us in the year 2012, if you call a time machine you might make it in time for 2013.

Guly hasn't had a good game for us at this level, and the only "impact" he's had as a sub has been to cool off our attack when we've been behind.

I appreciate what he did for us in league one as much as the next Saint. But the team moved on. When will you?

City Saint wrote:

Thornhill Saint wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

City Saint wrote:
Reasons to be happy with today:

(1) the Shaman looked excellent at lb. defended well, looked assured going forward and settled Lallana, who looks more confident with shaw support

(2) this was the first game this season whe we never fell behind, says the beeb.

(3) gaston was very tricky, and links well with puncheon, Lallana, spiderman and rickie. Class act.

(4) Clyne and puncheon are forming a great partnership on the right.

(5) guly wasn't even on the bench.

I think Adkins was right to protect shaw for the last 15 mins, because shaw was looking a little less sharp and you need to protect the kids at this level. Shaw cn now look forward to qpr.

Shame that mayuka and ward-Prowse weren't given runs. But the team was playing well right up to the final whistle, nd for mce Nigel didn't sub our best players.

All of this is progress. Bring on qpr.

Like, good summary. This is the start of the end of the bad run.

Agree with most of it except senseless criticism of Guly. Blind hatred, and blinder crisitcism does not really help things. If he plays and he actually plays badly, go for it by all means.

I was thinking Gaston should come of as he was the most of anybody guilty of giving the ball away in the first half and wasting a couple of very good chances. I was thinking he might still not be match fit, but he turned on the style in the second!! Good move by Adkins not to sub him.

No problems with the Shaw subsititution as he cramped up according to Adkins.

Nice to see Cortese stand up and applaud the manager and the players at the end. He may not say much to the media or give the dreaded backing of support to the manager, but in this case for me actions spoke louder than words.

You need to join us in the year 2012, if you call a time machine you might make it in time for 2013.

Guly hasn't had a good game for us at this level, and the only "impact" he's had as a sub has been to cool off our attack when we've been behind.

I appreciate what he did for us in league one as much as the next Saint. But the team moved on. When will you?

Guly has not played as bad as you say. I am not saying he should start, or even that he should be on the bench. What is th point in continually ruthlessly slagging a Saints player even when not playing. What does it achieve but divisiveness.

I get it. You don't rate Guly, would you mind changing the record!!

scooter75 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

scooter75 wrote:

saintmicky wrote:

Chriops wrote:
Shaw was taken off because he had cramp.

Solid game today. Never looked as though we were going to loose...

Shame about shipping the goal, but we should have had a pen...

Much better today. Solid performance all round, just a shame we didn't get the win.

P.s for the anti-Adkins brigade - shame on you!

Like!

Most of the anti's don't even go!

Great support for the team and the manager today, I struggle to see how the BBC called the atmosphere 'subdued', a tad nervy at times maybe but loads of passion. Loads of positives although of course a clean sheet is what we really needed. Can't emphasise enough the difference Cork makes. IMO the best eleven started. All in all a good day not a great day.

STID

The atmoshere was subdued due to the fact that most people are not expecting to win even when being a goal up.

The slow version of OWTS just before half time was excellent, a couple of decent bass voices near me really gave it some tone, it was more like a Welsh choir than the Numpties in the away end.

more like the spurs fans version, its a total joke singing like a 33rpm record.

So is singing a 3 word lyric repeatedly first one way then in reverse order of those words. Still I don't suppose the bestest ever supporters on the planet could sting toegether more than that,given they probably use their fingers to keep count.

Bungy53 wrote:

scooter75 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

scooter75 wrote:

saintmicky wrote:

Chriops wrote:
Shaw was taken off because he had cramp.

Solid game today. Never looked as though we were going to loose...

Shame about shipping the goal, but we should have had a pen...

Much better today. Solid performance all round, just a shame we didn't get the win.

P.s for the anti-Adkins brigade - shame on you!

Like!

Most of the anti's don't even go!

Great support for the team and the manager today, I struggle to see how the BBC called the atmosphere 'subdued', a tad nervy at times maybe but loads of passion. Loads of positives although of course a clean sheet is what we really needed. Can't emphasise enough the difference Cork makes. IMO the best eleven started. All in all a good day not a great day.

STID

The atmoshere was subdued due to the fact that most people are not expecting to win even when being a goal up.

The slow version of OWTS just before half time was excellent, a couple of decent bass voices near me really gave it some tone, it was more like a Welsh choir than the Numpties in the away end.

more like the spurs fans version, its a total joke singing like a 33rpm record.

So is singing a 3 word lyric repeatedly first one way then in reverse order of those words. Still I don't suppose the bestest ever supporters on the planet could sting toegether more than that,given they probably use their fingers to keep count.

Pray up Pompey, Pompey Pray Up.

Thornhill Saint wrote:

City Saint wrote:

Thornhill Saint wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

City Saint wrote:
Reasons to be happy with today:

(1) the Shaman looked excellent at lb. defended well, looked assured going forward and settled Lallana, who looks more confident with shaw support

(2) this was the first game this season whe we never fell behind, says the beeb.

(3) gaston was very tricky, and links well with puncheon, Lallana, spiderman and rickie. Class act.

(4) Clyne and puncheon are forming a great partnership on the right.

(5) guly wasn't even on the bench.

I think Adkins was right to protect shaw for the last 15 mins, because shaw was looking a little less sharp and you need to protect the kids at this level. Shaw cn now look forward to qpr.

Shame that mayuka and ward-Prowse weren't given runs. But the team was playing well right up to the final whistle, nd for mce Nigel didn't sub our best players.

All of this is progress. Bring on qpr.

Like, good summary. This is the start of the end of the bad run.

Agree with most of it except senseless criticism of Guly. Blind hatred, and blinder crisitcism does not really help things. If he plays and he actually plays badly, go for it by all means.

I was thinking Gaston should come of as he was the most of anybody guilty of giving the ball away in the first half and wasting a couple of very good chances. I was thinking he might still not be match fit, but he turned on the style in the second!! Good move by Adkins not to sub him.

No problems with the Shaw subsititution as he cramped up according to Adkins.

Nice to see Cortese stand up and applaud the manager and the players at the end. He may not say much to the media or give the dreaded backing of support to the manager, but in this case for me actions spoke louder than words.

You need to join us in the year 2012, if you call a time machine you might make it in time for 2013.

Guly hasn't had a good game for us at this level, and the only "impact" he's had as a sub has been to cool off our attack when we've been behind.

I appreciate what he did for us in league one as much as the next Saint. But the team moved on. When will you?

Guly has not played as bad as you say. I am not saying he should start, or even that he should be on the bench. What is th point in continually ruthlessly slagging a Saints player even when not playing. What does it achieve but divisiveness.

I get it. You don't rate Guly, would you mind changing the record!!

I assume, based on your logic, you'd still be playing Seabourne, Barnard, and Butterfield.

I've never seen anyone fondle a guly so much since Old Doc Lovelace told Smokin' Joe Steelpipe to lay off the old five knuckle shuffle until his sight returned.

Plank.

City Saint wrote:

Thornhill Saint wrote:

City Saint wrote:

Thornhill Saint wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

City Saint wrote:
Reasons to be happy with today:

(1) the Shaman looked excellent at lb. defended well, looked assured going forward and settled Lallana, who looks more confident with shaw support

(2) this was the first game this season whe we never fell behind, says the beeb.

(3) gaston was very tricky, and links well with puncheon, Lallana, spiderman and rickie. Class act.

(4) Clyne and puncheon are forming a great partnership on the right.

(5) guly wasn't even on the bench.

I think Adkins was right to protect shaw for the last 15 mins, because shaw was looking a little less sharp and you need to protect the kids at this level. Shaw cn now look forward to qpr.

Shame that mayuka and ward-Prowse weren't given runs. But the team was playing well right up to the final whistle, nd for mce Nigel didn't sub our best players.

All of this is progress. Bring on qpr.

Like, good summary. This is the start of the end of the bad run.

Agree with most of it except senseless criticism of Guly. Blind hatred, and blinder crisitcism does not really help things. If he plays and he actually plays badly, go for it by all means.

I was thinking Gaston should come of as he was the most of anybody guilty of giving the ball away in the first half and wasting a couple of very good chances. I was thinking he might still not be match fit, but he turned on the style in the second!! Good move by Adkins not to sub him.

No problems with the Shaw subsititution as he cramped up according to Adkins.

Nice to see Cortese stand up and applaud the manager and the players at the end. He may not say much to the media or give the dreaded backing of support to the manager, but in this case for me actions spoke louder than words.

You need to join us in the year 2012, if you call a time machine you might make it in time for 2013.

Guly hasn't had a good game for us at this level, and the only "impact" he's had as a sub has been to cool off our attack when we've been behind.

I appreciate what he did for us in league one as much as the next Saint. But the team moved on. When will you?

Guly has not played as bad as you say. I am not saying he should start, or even that he should be on the bench. What is th point in continually ruthlessly slagging a Saints player even when not playing. What does it achieve but divisiveness.

I get it. You don't rate Guly, would you mind changing the record!!

I assume, based on your logic, you'd still be playing Seabourne, Barnard, and Butterfield.

I've never seen anyone fondle a guly so much since Old Doc Lovelace told Smokin' Joe Steelpipe to lay off the old five knuckle shuffle until his sight returned.

Plank.

What logic?

Like I said, I am not saying Guly should even be on the bench. The players you mentioned are clearly/probably not up for the prem, yet you don't consistently hurl abuse at them time and time again.

Oh well, you do not understand what I am trying to say here. You may as well get back to your Guly bashing, it clearly gives you pleasure.

saintmac wrote:
A poor Swansea team and still we
dropped points.Sorry, this has made
relegation a virtual certainty.It is just a
question of who will finish bottom -
Saints or QPR.
By the time the Jan window arrives it
will be too late and,lets be realistic,
"star" players will not want to sign for a
team that is going to be relegated.
I have said before no defenders
signed.Why was Buttner not signed?
He wanted to come -there was a problem with a fee to a third party
which we were told was resolved -
but the deal just went dead.The rest
is history - Sir Alex said " thank you
very much" and signed him up.
I have supported Saints for over 60 years and will continue to do so but
I feel very sad tonight.This really
was the last chance to kick start the
season and the reality is that we failed.

i agree with you.lots of euphoria about because we got a point but we should be beating teams like swansea at home if we want to stay up.if we lose next week v QPR we will be cut a drift at the bottom.5 points with over a quarter of the season gone is dire relegation form.Even so i think we should stick with Nigel but we have to buy big in the defence department in jan.talking of defenders nice to see dan SEABORNE play for charlton and end up on the winning side.still no sign of aaron martin at palace is he injured or has he been abducted by aliens.

Well as Nigel said we got another point on saturday but the general consensus is that we should have got 3.BAD defending again cost us dear.mind you up the other end better shooting and better luck would have got us more goals.to me the clay pidgeon shooting the team went on last week could have been better spent shooting with footballs.
next week is make or break for both saints and qpr.we haven't got a single point away from home this season.that must change.no excuses or hard luck stories.We have got to deliver.qpr haven't won yet this season.that will change but hopefully not against us.not only is our feeble points tally a cause for concern but our massive goals against tally means that the other relegation strugglers have effectively an extra point on us.
So we have to go to qpr and NOT GET BEATEN.
Iwould urge NA to adopt a more defensive formation with 3 centre halves 2 bombing on full/wingbacks and go a la spain in midfield with 5.We clearly have a massive problem with the goalkeeping position.not one of the has kept a clean sheet.i would rotate the keepers each match until one of them actually earns his corn and keeps a clean sheet. the team i would play would be
K.DAVIS
CLYNE,FONTE,JOS,YOSH
IDA,FOX
PUNCH,CORK,MS,G.RAM.
ADAML.
SUBS
BORUC,SHAW,S.DAVIS,J
WP,LAMBERT,MAYUKA,GU
LY.
Cork and Morgan will be the holding midfielders,ramirez will be given a marauding role and be urged to bomb forward at every opportunity.Clyne and Fox too will be instructed to get forward ar every available opportunity.i have chosen fox ahead of shaw because despite all the criticism hurled at him fox is a much better crosser of the ball than shaw.i would save shaw predominantly for home and cup games.Punch ans Adam will be instructed to cut inside and support ramirez whenever clyne and fox take up an attacking position on the flanks.if we go behind and need to chase the game we would have Lambo and Mayuka on the bench so could revert to a 4-4-2.I have chosen GULY as a sub ahead of Jay Rod. because if we are winning and need to hang on at the end i feel that he is the stronger runner in midfield areas plus he can defend a bit if needs be.neither the inclusion of fox or guly will be popular with a lot of the saints doubting thomases but both players need to step up to the plate and should be encouraged rather than ridiculed.COYR

I blame the echo for highlightin it all on saturday s back page.