Nigel Adkins insists Rickie Lambert will not be leaving Southampton during transfer window

Rickie Lambert

Rickie Lambert

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Sports Editor

SAINTS will turn down all enquiries for talismanic striker Rickie Lambert during the current transfer window.

The 30-year-old goal ace – the club’s top scorer with eight Premier League goals this season and the second highest scoring Englishman in the top flight – has been linked with a move to West Ham.

Hammers boss Sam Allardyce is an admirer of Lambert, pictured left, having praised him during last season’s Championship run-in.

Bemoaning his club’s lack of goals, Allardyce said last March: “If we’d had Rickie Lambert in our team we’d have won the Championship already.”

But Saints boss Nigel Adkins is adamant Lambert will stay.

Full story in today's Daily Echo

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8:48am Thu 3 Jan 13

Just A Voice says...

Nice one Nigel
Nice one Nigel Just A Voice
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8:50am Thu 3 Jan 13

Ozmosis says...

Good news - very glad he's not for sale....
Good news - very glad he's not for sale.... Ozmosis
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9:03am Thu 3 Jan 13

warrens 76 says...

Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard. warrens 76
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9:05am Thu 3 Jan 13

J7junctionseven says...

Happy Days.
COYR...a couple of wins and we'll be overtaking Newcastle and Sunderland on our way up the PL
Happy Days. COYR...a couple of wins and we'll be overtaking Newcastle and Sunderland on our way up the PL J7junctionseven
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9:07am Thu 3 Jan 13

saintlysoul says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Scott Parker? Read today that he's having difficutly getting back into the Spurs team following injury, would be an idea to get him on loan to the end of th season!
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Scott Parker? Read today that he's having difficutly getting back into the Spurs team following injury, would be an idea to get him on loan to the end of th season! saintlysoul
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9:10am Thu 3 Jan 13

Hobson82 says...

Relegated or not, I wouldn't be surprised if Rickie is sold in the summer. His stock is high at the moment and for a player who probably has 1 or 2 years left at this level it makes good business sense to sell him. If I was the chairman I would rather sell him and make a decent profit. Otherwise we risk losing him for nothing or less than the £1million we paid for him.
Relegated or not, I wouldn't be surprised if Rickie is sold in the summer. His stock is high at the moment and for a player who probably has 1 or 2 years left at this level it makes good business sense to sell him. If I was the chairman I would rather sell him and make a decent profit. Otherwise we risk losing him for nothing or less than the £1million we paid for him. Hobson82
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9:21am Thu 3 Jan 13

Shareholder says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Cheer up for God's sake! This is nothing like 2005. We have a much better team, we're secure financially and organisationally, the fans and the club are as one and we'll most likely buy players rather than sell them in January. Results lately have been very good and compared to the first 10 games outstanding. We have every reason to be optimistic. I would say there are at least 5 other clubs in the Premiership which can't say the same! So please get a smile on - this is a great time to be a Saints fan.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Cheer up for God's sake! This is nothing like 2005. We have a much better team, we're secure financially and organisationally, the fans and the club are as one and we'll most likely buy players rather than sell them in January. Results lately have been very good and compared to the first 10 games outstanding. We have every reason to be optimistic. I would say there are at least 5 other clubs in the Premiership which can't say the same! So please get a smile on - this is a great time to be a Saints fan. Shareholder
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9:24am Thu 3 Jan 13

SFCOLDBOY says...

The whole of our offensive build up play has been designed around Rickie's capabilities.
Not just scoring goals, as he has proved to the many pundit doupters, he can do that anywhere.
His holding up, his vision, ballance and crossing is exceptional.
All of these assets are very noticibly missed when he has been subbed or injured.
Some may say you can't rely on only one man alone,I agree but it's too early in our Premier league life to be too adventurous.
To lose him now would be certain relegation, as our other younger offensive players have much to learn.
Keep him and we have the best english centre forward in the country to teach the others in the team.
Not just his ball skills but the patience and drive, that he has needed to become the best that he could be.
Long may he stay !
COYS
The whole of our offensive build up play has been designed around Rickie's capabilities. Not just scoring goals, as he has proved to the many pundit doupters, he can do that anywhere. His holding up, his vision, ballance and crossing is exceptional. All of these assets are very noticibly missed when he has been subbed or injured. Some may say you can't rely on only one man alone,I agree but it's too early in our Premier league life to be too adventurous. To lose him now would be certain relegation, as our other younger offensive players have much to learn. Keep him and we have the best english centre forward in the country to teach the others in the team. Not just his ball skills but the patience and drive, that he has needed to become the best that he could be. Long may he stay ! COYS SFCOLDBOY
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9:35am Thu 3 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

Shareholder wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Cheer up for God's sake! This is nothing like 2005. We have a much better team, we're secure financially and organisationally, the fans and the club are as one and we'll most likely buy players rather than sell them in January. Results lately have been very good and compared to the first 10 games outstanding. We have every reason to be optimistic. I would say there are at least 5 other clubs in the Premiership which can't say the same! So please get a smile on - this is a great time to be a Saints fan.
Whilst I agree we can't keep making do with draws, shareholder is right that the infrastructure behind the team along with the financial security is night and day different.
Jan transfer window will tell the tale of whether we are going to invest further to pull ourselves out of the bottom four, or scrap with what we have.. If I'm sat here at 11:55pm 31st jan still with no signings I don't think my blood pressure will take it!
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Cheer up for God's sake! This is nothing like 2005. We have a much better team, we're secure financially and organisationally, the fans and the club are as one and we'll most likely buy players rather than sell them in January. Results lately have been very good and compared to the first 10 games outstanding. We have every reason to be optimistic. I would say there are at least 5 other clubs in the Premiership which can't say the same! So please get a smile on - this is a great time to be a Saints fan.[/p][/quote]Whilst I agree we can't keep making do with draws, shareholder is right that the infrastructure behind the team along with the financial security is night and day different. Jan transfer window will tell the tale of whether we are going to invest further to pull ourselves out of the bottom four, or scrap with what we have.. If I'm sat here at 11:55pm 31st jan still with no signings I don't think my blood pressure will take it! SaintMax
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9:39am Thu 3 Jan 13

pushamara says...

Hobson82 wrote:
Relegated or not, I wouldn't be surprised if Rickie is sold in the summer. His stock is high at the moment and for a player who probably has 1 or 2 years left at this level it makes good business sense to sell him. If I was the chairman I would rather sell him and make a decent profit. Otherwise we risk losing him for nothing or less than the £1million we paid for him.
I really don't believe they will be worried on losing 1 million on him. His goals over the last few seasons have bought in substantially more than a million!
[quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: Relegated or not, I wouldn't be surprised if Rickie is sold in the summer. His stock is high at the moment and for a player who probably has 1 or 2 years left at this level it makes good business sense to sell him. If I was the chairman I would rather sell him and make a decent profit. Otherwise we risk losing him for nothing or less than the £1million we paid for him.[/p][/quote]I really don't believe they will be worried on losing 1 million on him. His goals over the last few seasons have bought in substantially more than a million! pushamara
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9:46am Thu 3 Jan 13

City Saint says...

Hobson82 wrote:
Relegated or not, I wouldn't be surprised if Rickie is sold in the summer. His stock is high at the moment and for a player who probably has 1 or 2 years left at this level it makes good business sense to sell him. If I was the chairman I would rather sell him and make a decent profit. Otherwise we risk losing him for nothing or less than the £1million we paid for him.
The 1 million we paid for sir rickie has been repaid a hundred times over on Championship and now Premiership earnings.

He's scored 26 out of 26 penalties since then, and 96 goals in all, almost half of his career total.

We might never play rickie again, put him behind the bar at the clubhouse, and still be 30 million in profit as of today from the August 2009 Lambert deal -- double that if his goals keep us up this year.

The lambert trade was one of the greatest of all time for saints. He should never leave unless he asks to leave. Lambo is legend.
[quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: Relegated or not, I wouldn't be surprised if Rickie is sold in the summer. His stock is high at the moment and for a player who probably has 1 or 2 years left at this level it makes good business sense to sell him. If I was the chairman I would rather sell him and make a decent profit. Otherwise we risk losing him for nothing or less than the £1million we paid for him.[/p][/quote]The 1 million we paid for sir rickie has been repaid a hundred times over on Championship and now Premiership earnings. He's scored 26 out of 26 penalties since then, and 96 goals in all, almost half of his career total. We might never play rickie again, put him behind the bar at the clubhouse, and still be 30 million in profit as of today from the August 2009 Lambert deal -- double that if his goals keep us up this year. The lambert trade was one of the greatest of all time for saints. He should never leave unless he asks to leave. Lambo is legend. City Saint
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9:48am Thu 3 Jan 13

City Saint says...

pushamara wrote:
Hobson82 wrote:
Relegated or not, I wouldn't be surprised if Rickie is sold in the summer. His stock is high at the moment and for a player who probably has 1 or 2 years left at this level it makes good business sense to sell him. If I was the chairman I would rather sell him and make a decent profit. Otherwise we risk losing him for nothing or less than the £1million we paid for him.
I really don't believe they will be worried on losing 1 million on him. His goals over the last few seasons have bought in substantially more than a million!
Snap. What he said.
[quote][p][bold]pushamara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: Relegated or not, I wouldn't be surprised if Rickie is sold in the summer. His stock is high at the moment and for a player who probably has 1 or 2 years left at this level it makes good business sense to sell him. If I was the chairman I would rather sell him and make a decent profit. Otherwise we risk losing him for nothing or less than the £1million we paid for him.[/p][/quote]I really don't believe they will be worried on losing 1 million on him. His goals over the last few seasons have bought in substantially more than a million![/p][/quote]Snap. What he said. City Saint
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9:50am Thu 3 Jan 13

Clever Dick says...

He's not just our centre forward. He is our talisman. If he were quicker he would be nailed on for England centre forward. Given that we paid one mill for him he has repaid his fee twenty times over and if we did go down (unlikely) we would need his goals next season to ensure our immediate return to our rightful place in English football. Loved Nigel's comment when asked about Luke Shaw as well. He said NC deals with the transfers and "good luck with that" to anybody wanting talks about it. It's fantastic we don't have to be pushed around by the big boys anymore and that we have a chairman who is happy to them them where to go. Looking 4ward to a couple of good signings. Onwards and upwards. COYS.
He's not just our centre forward. He is our talisman. If he were quicker he would be nailed on for England centre forward. Given that we paid one mill for him he has repaid his fee twenty times over and if we did go down (unlikely) we would need his goals next season to ensure our immediate return to our rightful place in English football. Loved Nigel's comment when asked about Luke Shaw as well. He said NC deals with the transfers and "good luck with that" to anybody wanting talks about it. It's fantastic we don't have to be pushed around by the big boys anymore and that we have a chairman who is happy to them them where to go. Looking 4ward to a couple of good signings. Onwards and upwards. COYS. Clever Dick
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9:53am Thu 3 Jan 13

Clever Dick says...

Should have read happy to tell them where to go in previous post
Should have read happy to tell them where to go in previous post Clever Dick
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10:00am Thu 3 Jan 13

warrens 76 says...

saintlysoul wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Scott Parker? Read today that he's having difficutly getting back into the Spurs team following injury, would be an idea to get him on loan to the end of th season!
Good thinking.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Scott Parker? Read today that he's having difficutly getting back into the Spurs team following injury, would be an idea to get him on loan to the end of th season![/p][/quote]Good thinking. warrens 76
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10:17am Thu 3 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

warrens 76 wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Scott Parker? Read today that he's having difficutly getting back into the Spurs team following injury, would be an idea to get him on loan to the end of th season!
Good thinking.
he would transform our midfield. Though West Ham love him too, wonder if we could afford his wages?
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Scott Parker? Read today that he's having difficutly getting back into the Spurs team following injury, would be an idea to get him on loan to the end of th season![/p][/quote]Good thinking.[/p][/quote]he would transform our midfield. Though West Ham love him too, wonder if we could afford his wages? SaintMax
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10:46am Thu 3 Jan 13

St Retford says...

Scott Parker's still one of the very best midfielders in the country. Spurs would absolutely jump at the chance to put him him in their first team. I can only think the reason they're not doing so is because he's still not recovered from injury.
Scott Parker's still one of the very best midfielders in the country. Spurs would absolutely jump at the chance to put him him in their first team. I can only think the reason they're not doing so is because he's still not recovered from injury. St Retford
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10:52am Thu 3 Jan 13

right back in the bar says...

SaintMax wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Scott Parker? Read today that he's having difficutly getting back into the Spurs team following injury, would be an idea to get him on loan to the end of th season!
Good thinking.
he would transform our midfield. Though West Ham love him too, wonder if we could afford his wages?
Parker does not score enough goals and we already have good players of his ilk in JC, Spider, and Davis. I break with the majority view on these pages and say in addition to a solid footballing centre half (who can free up Morgan from some of his responsibilities of sitting deep) that we absolutely must get another quality striker to play alongside RL. We are not scoring enough goals at the moment partly a welcome consequence of more defensive solidity but in the Sunderland game we never looked like scoring we should have got 5/6 against Newcastle; didn't carry enough threat to see off Arsenal, Stoke and Fulham. Maybe Gaston plays too deep; perhaps he should play alongside RL. We won't stay up drawing games.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Scott Parker? Read today that he's having difficutly getting back into the Spurs team following injury, would be an idea to get him on loan to the end of th season![/p][/quote]Good thinking.[/p][/quote]he would transform our midfield. Though West Ham love him too, wonder if we could afford his wages?[/p][/quote]Parker does not score enough goals and we already have good players of his ilk in JC, Spider, and Davis. I break with the majority view on these pages and say in addition to a solid footballing centre half (who can free up Morgan from some of his responsibilities of sitting deep) that we absolutely must get another quality striker to play alongside RL. We are not scoring enough goals at the moment partly a welcome consequence of more defensive solidity but in the Sunderland game we never looked like scoring we should have got 5/6 against Newcastle; didn't carry enough threat to see off Arsenal, Stoke and Fulham. Maybe Gaston plays too deep; perhaps he should play alongside RL. We won't stay up drawing games. right back in the bar
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11:07am Thu 3 Jan 13

El Santo says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
I thought about what you said. 3 points in 4 games, 3 out of 12. But... if you think of it, this is a huge improvement from our start of the session form, where we were always "close to drawing", while now we are always "close to winning". We are in a bad position thanks to those games in the beginning, not because of these last games. If we keep up this form (and remember, Lallana WILL come back) a few wins here and there, sprinkled with draws and very few defeats, should keep us in the PL (not comfortably; nobody said it was easy).
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]I thought about what you said. 3 points in 4 games, 3 out of 12. But... if you think of it, this is a huge improvement from our start of the session form, where we were always "close to drawing", while now we are always "close to winning". We are in a bad position thanks to those games in the beginning, not because of these last games. If we keep up this form (and remember, Lallana WILL come back) a few wins here and there, sprinkled with draws and very few defeats, should keep us in the PL (not comfortably; nobody said it was easy). El Santo
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11:10am Thu 3 Jan 13

saintmac says...

Definitely agree with you,Warrens76.
Too many points have been lost from
promising positions and this cannot be allowed to continue.In theory we should be mid table but because of dropped points the Club are in a relegation scrap.
I hope Tad Lee is given a chance on
Saturday.Nobody really knows what
he is capable of and this would be an ideal opportunity to give him a run.
out.
My hopes in the transfer window are
an experienced goalie who can teach
Paulo and two "wiseheads" - a defender and a mid fielder - who can
lead and direct on the field and give
our young and talented team the
experience and leadership that I think
is missing at the moment and the reason that points are being dropped.
Definitely agree with you,Warrens76. Too many points have been lost from promising positions and this cannot be allowed to continue.In theory we should be mid table but because of dropped points the Club are in a relegation scrap. I hope Tad Lee is given a chance on Saturday.Nobody really knows what he is capable of and this would be an ideal opportunity to give him a run. out. My hopes in the transfer window are an experienced goalie who can teach Paulo and two "wiseheads" - a defender and a mid fielder - who can lead and direct on the field and give our young and talented team the experience and leadership that I think is missing at the moment and the reason that points are being dropped. saintmac
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11:15am Thu 3 Jan 13

SaintMax says...

El Santo wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
I thought about what you said. 3 points in 4 games, 3 out of 12. But... if you think of it, this is a huge improvement from our start of the session form, where we were always "close to drawing", while now we are always "close to winning". We are in a bad position thanks to those games in the beginning, not because of these last games. If we keep up this form (and remember, Lallana WILL come back) a few wins here and there, sprinkled with draws and very few defeats, should keep us in the PL (not comfortably; nobody said it was easy).
One interesting stat is that we have gained more points (14) than any other team outside the top 10 over the last 10 games..
[quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]I thought about what you said. 3 points in 4 games, 3 out of 12. But... if you think of it, this is a huge improvement from our start of the session form, where we were always "close to drawing", while now we are always "close to winning". We are in a bad position thanks to those games in the beginning, not because of these last games. If we keep up this form (and remember, Lallana WILL come back) a few wins here and there, sprinkled with draws and very few defeats, should keep us in the PL (not comfortably; nobody said it was easy).[/p][/quote]One interesting stat is that we have gained more points (14) than any other team outside the top 10 over the last 10 games.. SaintMax
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11:18am Thu 3 Jan 13

El Santo says...

right back in the bar wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Scott Parker? Read today that he's having difficutly getting back into the Spurs team following injury, would be an idea to get him on loan to the end of th season!
Good thinking.
he would transform our midfield. Though West Ham love him too, wonder if we could afford his wages?
Parker does not score enough goals and we already have good players of his ilk in JC, Spider, and Davis. I break with the majority view on these pages and say in addition to a solid footballing centre half (who can free up Morgan from some of his responsibilities of sitting deep) that we absolutely must get another quality striker to play alongside RL. We are not scoring enough goals at the moment partly a welcome consequence of more defensive solidity but in the Sunderland game we never looked like scoring we should have got 5/6 against Newcastle; didn't carry enough threat to see off Arsenal, Stoke and Fulham. Maybe Gaston plays too deep; perhaps he should play alongside RL. We won't stay up drawing games.
If we want a midfielder, I would go for the Spanish Beñat Etxebarria. He is free in June and certainly above any of the players you are mentioning here in terms of creativity and impact on the game. He started as a defensive midfielder, and he resembles in his style to Xabi Alonso (also a basque player). He would stay only for a few months with us before he moves on, but leaving behind a good stash of cash and some precious points. He could play behind Gaston, instead of Davis or Schneiderling.
And we need a keeper (or sort ours out, somehow).
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Scott Parker? Read today that he's having difficutly getting back into the Spurs team following injury, would be an idea to get him on loan to the end of th season![/p][/quote]Good thinking.[/p][/quote]he would transform our midfield. Though West Ham love him too, wonder if we could afford his wages?[/p][/quote]Parker does not score enough goals and we already have good players of his ilk in JC, Spider, and Davis. I break with the majority view on these pages and say in addition to a solid footballing centre half (who can free up Morgan from some of his responsibilities of sitting deep) that we absolutely must get another quality striker to play alongside RL. We are not scoring enough goals at the moment partly a welcome consequence of more defensive solidity but in the Sunderland game we never looked like scoring we should have got 5/6 against Newcastle; didn't carry enough threat to see off Arsenal, Stoke and Fulham. Maybe Gaston plays too deep; perhaps he should play alongside RL. We won't stay up drawing games.[/p][/quote]If we want a midfielder, I would go for the Spanish Beñat Etxebarria. He is free in June and certainly above any of the players you are mentioning here in terms of creativity and impact on the game. He started as a defensive midfielder, and he resembles in his style to Xabi Alonso (also a basque player). He would stay only for a few months with us before he moves on, but leaving behind a good stash of cash and some precious points. He could play behind Gaston, instead of Davis or Schneiderling. And we need a keeper (or sort ours out, somehow). El Santo
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11:22am Thu 3 Jan 13

Hobson82 says...

City Saint wrote:
Hobson82 wrote: Relegated or not, I wouldn't be surprised if Rickie is sold in the summer. His stock is high at the moment and for a player who probably has 1 or 2 years left at this level it makes good business sense to sell him. If I was the chairman I would rather sell him and make a decent profit. Otherwise we risk losing him for nothing or less than the £1million we paid for him.
The 1 million we paid for sir rickie has been repaid a hundred times over on Championship and now Premiership earnings. He's scored 26 out of 26 penalties since then, and 96 goals in all, almost half of his career total. We might never play rickie again, put him behind the bar at the clubhouse, and still be 30 million in profit as of today from the August 2009 Lambert deal -- double that if his goals keep us up this year. The lambert trade was one of the greatest of all time for saints. He should never leave unless he asks to leave. Lambo is legend.
Jeez... some people do take this very seriously don't they.

I did say I wouldn't be "SURPRISED" if he was sold. I didn't say he WILL be sold.

If Cortese wants to make a bit of money it will be better to make £4-£5 million rather than lose £1 million. You are right in what your saying though, Rickie has made us a shed load with his goals. But I do think everyone has a price (perhaps with the exception of Messi).
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: Relegated or not, I wouldn't be surprised if Rickie is sold in the summer. His stock is high at the moment and for a player who probably has 1 or 2 years left at this level it makes good business sense to sell him. If I was the chairman I would rather sell him and make a decent profit. Otherwise we risk losing him for nothing or less than the £1million we paid for him.[/p][/quote]The 1 million we paid for sir rickie has been repaid a hundred times over on Championship and now Premiership earnings. He's scored 26 out of 26 penalties since then, and 96 goals in all, almost half of his career total. We might never play rickie again, put him behind the bar at the clubhouse, and still be 30 million in profit as of today from the August 2009 Lambert deal -- double that if his goals keep us up this year. The lambert trade was one of the greatest of all time for saints. He should never leave unless he asks to leave. Lambo is legend.[/p][/quote]Jeez... some people do take this very seriously don't they. I did say I wouldn't be "SURPRISED" if he was sold. I didn't say he WILL be sold. If Cortese wants to make a bit of money it will be better to make £4-£5 million rather than lose £1 million. You are right in what your saying though, Rickie has made us a shed load with his goals. But I do think everyone has a price (perhaps with the exception of Messi). Hobson82
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11:28am Thu 3 Jan 13

El Santo says...

SaintMax wrote:
El Santo wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
I thought about what you said. 3 points in 4 games, 3 out of 12. But... if you think of it, this is a huge improvement from our start of the session form, where we were always "close to drawing", while now we are always "close to winning". We are in a bad position thanks to those games in the beginning, not because of these last games. If we keep up this form (and remember, Lallana WILL come back) a few wins here and there, sprinkled with draws and very few defeats, should keep us in the PL (not comfortably; nobody said it was easy).
One interesting stat is that we have gained more points (14) than any other team outside the top 10 over the last 10 games..
Precisely, very good point. Right now we are playing like a good mid-table team. We "just" need to keep that form until the end of the session. An encouraging thought is that, against Arsenal, we didn't look as if we were trying "physically" harder than Arsenal, like a typical small team trying to outgrow themselves against the big guys. We just played better football than them! We didn't run behind them like headless chickens...We made them look mediocre and we didn't do it "a la Stoke", kicking and huffing, but passing and playing the ball. I am very optimistic at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]I thought about what you said. 3 points in 4 games, 3 out of 12. But... if you think of it, this is a huge improvement from our start of the session form, where we were always "close to drawing", while now we are always "close to winning". We are in a bad position thanks to those games in the beginning, not because of these last games. If we keep up this form (and remember, Lallana WILL come back) a few wins here and there, sprinkled with draws and very few defeats, should keep us in the PL (not comfortably; nobody said it was easy).[/p][/quote]One interesting stat is that we have gained more points (14) than any other team outside the top 10 over the last 10 games..[/p][/quote]Precisely, very good point. Right now we are playing like a good mid-table team. We "just" need to keep that form until the end of the session. An encouraging thought is that, against Arsenal, we didn't look as if we were trying "physically" harder than Arsenal, like a typical small team trying to outgrow themselves against the big guys. We just played better football than them! We didn't run behind them like headless chickens...We made them look mediocre and we didn't do it "a la Stoke", kicking and huffing, but passing and playing the ball. I am very optimistic at the moment. El Santo
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12:25pm Thu 3 Jan 13

BracknellSaint says...

We won't let Rickie go. Too important to the team, and has been one of the key reasons for or us being where we are.
4-5 million,if that's all we'd get, is not worth it. We don't need that money. I'd rather keep him till the end of his career, than sell him for peanuts.
The squad will need to be trimmed, as too many who are nowhere near the squad, so maybe get rid of 5-6, and bring in max of 3 of actual quality.
As mentioned above also, hope Lee gets some game time-got a feeling he might be important to us in the latter stages of the season..
We won't let Rickie go. Too important to the team, and has been one of the key reasons for or us being where we are. 4-5 million,if that's all we'd get, is not worth it. We don't need that money. I'd rather keep him till the end of his career, than sell him for peanuts. The squad will need to be trimmed, as too many who are nowhere near the squad, so maybe get rid of 5-6, and bring in max of 3 of actual quality. As mentioned above also, hope Lee gets some game time-got a feeling he might be important to us in the latter stages of the season.. BracknellSaint
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12:28pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Saints n Winners says...

El Santo wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
El Santo wrote:
warrens 76 wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
I thought about what you said. 3 points in 4 games, 3 out of 12. But... if you think of it, this is a huge improvement from our start of the session form, where we were always "close to drawing", while now we are always "close to winning". We are in a bad position thanks to those games in the beginning, not because of these last games. If we keep up this form (and remember, Lallana WILL come back) a few wins here and there, sprinkled with draws and very few defeats, should keep us in the PL (not comfortably; nobody said it was easy).
One interesting stat is that we have gained more points (14) than any other team outside the top 10 over the last 10 games..
Precisely, very good point. Right now we are playing like a good mid-table team. We "just" need to keep that form until the end of the session. An encouraging thought is that, against Arsenal, we didn't look as if we were trying "physically" harder than Arsenal, like a typical small team trying to outgrow themselves against the big guys. We just played better football than them! We didn't run behind them like headless chickens...We made them look mediocre and we didn't do it "a la Stoke", kicking and huffing, but passing and playing the ball. I am very optimistic at the moment.
I would say Lampard would be out of reach financially, and he prob thinks that we are not big enough for him. I would say a better bet may be Joe Cole if NA can out-persuade Twitchy. The last 10 games is a good stat, however on form (last 6) we are just above the relegation zone and now below QPR due to their win.
[quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]I thought about what you said. 3 points in 4 games, 3 out of 12. But... if you think of it, this is a huge improvement from our start of the session form, where we were always "close to drawing", while now we are always "close to winning". We are in a bad position thanks to those games in the beginning, not because of these last games. If we keep up this form (and remember, Lallana WILL come back) a few wins here and there, sprinkled with draws and very few defeats, should keep us in the PL (not comfortably; nobody said it was easy).[/p][/quote]One interesting stat is that we have gained more points (14) than any other team outside the top 10 over the last 10 games..[/p][/quote]Precisely, very good point. Right now we are playing like a good mid-table team. We "just" need to keep that form until the end of the session. An encouraging thought is that, against Arsenal, we didn't look as if we were trying "physically" harder than Arsenal, like a typical small team trying to outgrow themselves against the big guys. We just played better football than them! We didn't run behind them like headless chickens...We made them look mediocre and we didn't do it "a la Stoke", kicking and huffing, but passing and playing the ball. I am very optimistic at the moment.[/p][/quote]I would say Lampard would be out of reach financially, and he prob thinks that we are not big enough for him. I would say a better bet may be Joe Cole if NA can out-persuade Twitchy. The last 10 games is a good stat, however on form (last 6) we are just above the relegation zone and now below QPR due to their win. Saints n Winners
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12:30pm Thu 3 Jan 13

SO50 Saint says...

Umm isn't Joe Cole having a medical at West Ham today?
Umm isn't Joe Cole having a medical at West Ham today? SO50 Saint
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12:49pm Thu 3 Jan 13

El Santo says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
El Santo wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
El Santo wrote:
warrens 76 wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
I thought about what you said. 3 points in 4 games, 3 out of 12. But... if you think of it, this is a huge improvement from our start of the session form, where we were always "close to drawing", while now we are always "close to winning". We are in a bad position thanks to those games in the beginning, not because of these last games. If we keep up this form (and remember, Lallana WILL come back) a few wins here and there, sprinkled with draws and very few defeats, should keep us in the PL (not comfortably; nobody said it was easy).
One interesting stat is that we have gained more points (14) than any other team outside the top 10 over the last 10 games..
Precisely, very good point. Right now we are playing like a good mid-table team. We "just" need to keep that form until the end of the session. An encouraging thought is that, against Arsenal, we didn't look as if we were trying "physically" harder than Arsenal, like a typical small team trying to outgrow themselves against the big guys. We just played better football than them! We didn't run behind them like headless chickens...We made them look mediocre and we didn't do it "a la Stoke", kicking and huffing, but passing and playing the ball. I am very optimistic at the moment.
I would say Lampard would be out of reach financially, and he prob thinks that we are not big enough for him. I would say a better bet may be Joe Cole if NA can out-persuade Twitchy. The last 10 games is a good stat, however on form (last 6) we are just above the relegation zone and now below QPR due to their win.
To be honest, if not to massively reinforce the team, I don't think it's worth buying anyone in. Whoever comes, should be someone that makes a big difference to what we have, a stepchange. Lampard would, obviously, but he won't even consider us, as you said. Joe Cole... I don't know, I'd rather not. I would be happy if we don't let anyone go and improve our goalkeeping situation (just take the butter out of his gloves, please!).
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]I thought about what you said. 3 points in 4 games, 3 out of 12. But... if you think of it, this is a huge improvement from our start of the session form, where we were always "close to drawing", while now we are always "close to winning". We are in a bad position thanks to those games in the beginning, not because of these last games. If we keep up this form (and remember, Lallana WILL come back) a few wins here and there, sprinkled with draws and very few defeats, should keep us in the PL (not comfortably; nobody said it was easy).[/p][/quote]One interesting stat is that we have gained more points (14) than any other team outside the top 10 over the last 10 games..[/p][/quote]Precisely, very good point. Right now we are playing like a good mid-table team. We "just" need to keep that form until the end of the session. An encouraging thought is that, against Arsenal, we didn't look as if we were trying "physically" harder than Arsenal, like a typical small team trying to outgrow themselves against the big guys. We just played better football than them! We didn't run behind them like headless chickens...We made them look mediocre and we didn't do it "a la Stoke", kicking and huffing, but passing and playing the ball. I am very optimistic at the moment.[/p][/quote]I would say Lampard would be out of reach financially, and he prob thinks that we are not big enough for him. I would say a better bet may be Joe Cole if NA can out-persuade Twitchy. The last 10 games is a good stat, however on form (last 6) we are just above the relegation zone and now below QPR due to their win.[/p][/quote]To be honest, if not to massively reinforce the team, I don't think it's worth buying anyone in. Whoever comes, should be someone that makes a big difference to what we have, a stepchange. Lampard would, obviously, but he won't even consider us, as you said. Joe Cole... I don't know, I'd rather not. I would be happy if we don't let anyone go and improve our goalkeeping situation (just take the butter out of his gloves, please!). El Santo
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1:13pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Clemster says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Find this a really pointless post. It's about as useful as people posting earlier on in the season saying that we need to stop conceding goals. If there was a magic wand that turned draws into wins then I am sure that we, along with the rest of the Premier League, would have been waving it.

Am sure NA knows that we have to win games and I never doubt that every game we turn up to we try and do that.

Sometimes we are just not good enough and that is to be expected first year back in the top flight.

Also think we have a midfield leader who can bring it all together - AL.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Find this a really pointless post. It's about as useful as people posting earlier on in the season saying that we need to stop conceding goals. If there was a magic wand that turned draws into wins then I am sure that we, along with the rest of the Premier League, would have been waving it. Am sure NA knows that we have to win games and I never doubt that every game we turn up to we try and do that. Sometimes we are just not good enough and that is to be expected first year back in the top flight. Also think we have a midfield leader who can bring it all together - AL. Clemster
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1:20pm Thu 3 Jan 13

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

We do not need to spend BIG , home grown talent is emerging and we produce GREAT players at the academy , bag a bargain YES but financial suicide is my biggest worry , not relegation .
We do not need to spend BIG , home grown talent is emerging and we produce GREAT players at the academy , bag a bargain YES but financial suicide is my biggest worry , not relegation . SPIKEISLANDTRADER
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1:27pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Little Hitler says...

SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
We do not need to spend BIG , home grown talent is emerging and we produce GREAT players at the academy , bag a bargain YES but financial suicide is my biggest worry , not relegation .
I can't see us committing financial suicide TBH, I have total faith in the people running the club and NA hardly strikes me as the kind of guy who would bully NC into spending money we don't have. However, there is massive pressure to stay in the league this year so it may tempt a few to stretch themselves as far as they can.

Ricky leaving Saints is unthinkable, I rate him as our most important player of the last 10 years. He's influence is clear to see and he has far more ability than some give him credit for.

What we need to do in the transfer market is bag an experienced defender and goalkeeper with international pedigree. I recall Bolton managed it a few times getting veterans in from Spain etc.
[quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: We do not need to spend BIG , home grown talent is emerging and we produce GREAT players at the academy , bag a bargain YES but financial suicide is my biggest worry , not relegation .[/p][/quote]I can't see us committing financial suicide TBH, I have total faith in the people running the club and NA hardly strikes me as the kind of guy who would bully NC into spending money we don't have. However, there is massive pressure to stay in the league this year so it may tempt a few to stretch themselves as far as they can. Ricky leaving Saints is unthinkable, I rate him as our most important player of the last 10 years. He's influence is clear to see and he has far more ability than some give him credit for. What we need to do in the transfer market is bag an experienced defender and goalkeeper with international pedigree. I recall Bolton managed it a few times getting veterans in from Spain etc. Little Hitler
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1:33pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Saints n Winners says...

El Santo wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
El Santo wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
El Santo wrote:
warrens 76 wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
I thought about what you said. 3 points in 4 games, 3 out of 12. But... if you think of it, this is a huge improvement from our start of the session form, where we were always "close to drawing", while now we are always "close to winning". We are in a bad position thanks to those games in the beginning, not because of these last games. If we keep up this form (and remember, Lallana WILL come back) a few wins here and there, sprinkled with draws and very few defeats, should keep us in the PL (not comfortably; nobody said it was easy).
One interesting stat is that we have gained more points (14) than any other team outside the top 10 over the last 10 games..
Precisely, very good point. Right now we are playing like a good mid-table team. We "just" need to keep that form until the end of the session. An encouraging thought is that, against Arsenal, we didn't look as if we were trying "physically" harder than Arsenal, like a typical small team trying to outgrow themselves against the big guys. We just played better football than them! We didn't run behind them like headless chickens...We made them look mediocre and we didn't do it "a la Stoke", kicking and huffing, but passing and playing the ball. I am very optimistic at the moment.
I would say Lampard would be out of reach financially, and he prob thinks that we are not big enough for him. I would say a better bet may be Joe Cole if NA can out-persuade Twitchy. The last 10 games is a good stat, however on form (last 6) we are just above the relegation zone and now below QPR due to their win.
To be honest, if not to massively reinforce the team, I don't think it's worth buying anyone in. Whoever comes, should be someone that makes a big difference to what we have, a stepchange. Lampard would, obviously, but he won't even consider us, as you said. Joe Cole... I don't know, I'd rather not. I would be happy if we don't let anyone go and improve our goalkeeping situation (just take the butter out of his gloves, please!).
SO 50 appears to be right on the medical. West Ham though. That would have been a great deal. I think we do need some real experience in the middle of the park. Lets be honest; if Lampard did come here, how many of us would be worried about relegation? That is what a real experienced leader can give.
[quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]I thought about what you said. 3 points in 4 games, 3 out of 12. But... if you think of it, this is a huge improvement from our start of the session form, where we were always "close to drawing", while now we are always "close to winning". We are in a bad position thanks to those games in the beginning, not because of these last games. If we keep up this form (and remember, Lallana WILL come back) a few wins here and there, sprinkled with draws and very few defeats, should keep us in the PL (not comfortably; nobody said it was easy).[/p][/quote]One interesting stat is that we have gained more points (14) than any other team outside the top 10 over the last 10 games..[/p][/quote]Precisely, very good point. Right now we are playing like a good mid-table team. We "just" need to keep that form until the end of the session. An encouraging thought is that, against Arsenal, we didn't look as if we were trying "physically" harder than Arsenal, like a typical small team trying to outgrow themselves against the big guys. We just played better football than them! We didn't run behind them like headless chickens...We made them look mediocre and we didn't do it "a la Stoke", kicking and huffing, but passing and playing the ball. I am very optimistic at the moment.[/p][/quote]I would say Lampard would be out of reach financially, and he prob thinks that we are not big enough for him. I would say a better bet may be Joe Cole if NA can out-persuade Twitchy. The last 10 games is a good stat, however on form (last 6) we are just above the relegation zone and now below QPR due to their win.[/p][/quote]To be honest, if not to massively reinforce the team, I don't think it's worth buying anyone in. Whoever comes, should be someone that makes a big difference to what we have, a stepchange. Lampard would, obviously, but he won't even consider us, as you said. Joe Cole... I don't know, I'd rather not. I would be happy if we don't let anyone go and improve our goalkeeping situation (just take the butter out of his gloves, please!).[/p][/quote]SO 50 appears to be right on the medical. West Ham though. That would have been a great deal. I think we do need some real experience in the middle of the park. Lets be honest; if Lampard did come here, how many of us would be worried about relegation? That is what a real experienced leader can give. Saints n Winners
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1:36pm Thu 3 Jan 13

st1halo says...

Shareholder wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Cheer up for God's sake! This is nothing like 2005. We have a much better team, we're secure financially and organisationally, the fans and the club are as one and we'll most likely buy players rather than sell them in January. Results lately have been very good and compared to the first 10 games outstanding. We have every reason to be optimistic. I would say there are at least 5 other clubs in the Premiership which can't say the same! So please get a smile on - this is a great time to be a Saints fan.
Like your positivity shareholder but agree with warrens. We will have to average more than a point per game now to survive with the remaining fixtures, we are not likely to go the rest of the season unbeaten so chalking up wins is now essential!


STID
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Cheer up for God's sake! This is nothing like 2005. We have a much better team, we're secure financially and organisationally, the fans and the club are as one and we'll most likely buy players rather than sell them in January. Results lately have been very good and compared to the first 10 games outstanding. We have every reason to be optimistic. I would say there are at least 5 other clubs in the Premiership which can't say the same! So please get a smile on - this is a great time to be a Saints fan.[/p][/quote]Like your positivity shareholder but agree with warrens. We will have to average more than a point per game now to survive with the remaining fixtures, we are not likely to go the rest of the season unbeaten so chalking up wins is now essential! STID st1halo
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1:43pm Thu 3 Jan 13

right back in the bar says...

Clemster wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Find this a really pointless post. It's about as useful as people posting earlier on in the season saying that we need to stop conceding goals. If there was a magic wand that turned draws into wins then I am sure that we, along with the rest of the Premier League, would have been waving it.

Am sure NA knows that we have to win games and I never doubt that every game we turn up to we try and do that.

Sometimes we are just not good enough and that is to be expected first year back in the top flight.

Also think we have a midfield leader who can bring it all together - AL.
I maintain we need another quality striker to play up alongside RL to get the wins we need. Either that or play Gaston right up there - not behind or out wide but right alongside Lambert so the great man (RL not GR - not yet anyway) has someone to play off of. We never carried enough threat in recent games to turn good performances into victories. To do that we need a quality footballing central defender who will allow our midfielders to go forward more and press the game.
[quote][p][bold]Clemster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Find this a really pointless post. It's about as useful as people posting earlier on in the season saying that we need to stop conceding goals. If there was a magic wand that turned draws into wins then I am sure that we, along with the rest of the Premier League, would have been waving it. Am sure NA knows that we have to win games and I never doubt that every game we turn up to we try and do that. Sometimes we are just not good enough and that is to be expected first year back in the top flight. Also think we have a midfield leader who can bring it all together - AL.[/p][/quote]I maintain we need another quality striker to play up alongside RL to get the wins we need. Either that or play Gaston right up there - not behind or out wide but right alongside Lambert so the great man (RL not GR - not yet anyway) has someone to play off of. We never carried enough threat in recent games to turn good performances into victories. To do that we need a quality footballing central defender who will allow our midfielders to go forward more and press the game. right back in the bar
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1:54pm Thu 3 Jan 13

SaintJD says...

Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal.

Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight.

I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured.

That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions.

All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league.

Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience.

Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices.

Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.
Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal. Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight. I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured. That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions. All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league. Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience. Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices. Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s. SaintJD
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2:03pm Thu 3 Jan 13

El Santo says...

right back in the bar wrote:
Clemster wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Find this a really pointless post. It's about as useful as people posting earlier on in the season saying that we need to stop conceding goals. If there was a magic wand that turned draws into wins then I am sure that we, along with the rest of the Premier League, would have been waving it.

Am sure NA knows that we have to win games and I never doubt that every game we turn up to we try and do that.

Sometimes we are just not good enough and that is to be expected first year back in the top flight.

Also think we have a midfield leader who can bring it all together - AL.
I maintain we need another quality striker to play up alongside RL to get the wins we need. Either that or play Gaston right up there - not behind or out wide but right alongside Lambert so the great man (RL not GR - not yet anyway) has someone to play off of. We never carried enough threat in recent games to turn good performances into victories. To do that we need a quality footballing central defender who will allow our midfielders to go forward more and press the game.
I think we did pretty well against Arsenal, where Gaston played as a 10, behind Lambert. Guly and Puncheon were quite participative, both in defense and attack. What I thought we needed was a really pacey forward... Sharp? Lee?
And we scored 3 goals against stoke, which until our visit had conceded only 4 GOALS. So we are doing pretty well in the goal department, it is just defensively that we seem not to be able to keep concentration for 90 minutes.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clemster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Find this a really pointless post. It's about as useful as people posting earlier on in the season saying that we need to stop conceding goals. If there was a magic wand that turned draws into wins then I am sure that we, along with the rest of the Premier League, would have been waving it. Am sure NA knows that we have to win games and I never doubt that every game we turn up to we try and do that. Sometimes we are just not good enough and that is to be expected first year back in the top flight. Also think we have a midfield leader who can bring it all together - AL.[/p][/quote]I maintain we need another quality striker to play up alongside RL to get the wins we need. Either that or play Gaston right up there - not behind or out wide but right alongside Lambert so the great man (RL not GR - not yet anyway) has someone to play off of. We never carried enough threat in recent games to turn good performances into victories. To do that we need a quality footballing central defender who will allow our midfielders to go forward more and press the game.[/p][/quote]I think we did pretty well against Arsenal, where Gaston played as a 10, behind Lambert. Guly and Puncheon were quite participative, both in defense and attack. What I thought we needed was a really pacey forward... Sharp? Lee? And we scored 3 goals against stoke, which until our visit had conceded only 4 GOALS. So we are doing pretty well in the goal department, it is just defensively that we seem not to be able to keep concentration for 90 minutes. El Santo
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2:08pm Thu 3 Jan 13

right back in the bar says...

SaintJD wrote:
Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal.

Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight.

I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured.

That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions.

All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league.

Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience.

Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices.

Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.
I think you are right about the back 4 - up to a point. Fonte has improved massively and Yoshida is settling in; both full backs are more than sound. But I also think Spider and Cork have to do a huge amount to protect them and as a result we are too defensively minded in midfield and get stretched. A quality centre back to play out from defence, allowing Spider to pull the strings further forward, and a striker to play up with RL. wait and see.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal. Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight. I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured. That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions. All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league. Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience. Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices. Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.[/p][/quote]I think you are right about the back 4 - up to a point. Fonte has improved massively and Yoshida is settling in; both full backs are more than sound. But I also think Spider and Cork have to do a huge amount to protect them and as a result we are too defensively minded in midfield and get stretched. A quality centre back to play out from defence, allowing Spider to pull the strings further forward, and a striker to play up with RL. wait and see. right back in the bar
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2:08pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Saints n Winners says...

SaintJD wrote:
Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal. Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight. I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured. That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions. All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league. Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience. Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices. Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.
Arshavin? How much would he want? Does he want to stay in England. He's only 31 as well.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal. Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight. I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured. That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions. All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league. Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience. Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices. Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.[/p][/quote]Arshavin? How much would he want? Does he want to stay in England. He's only 31 as well. Saints n Winners
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2:23pm Thu 3 Jan 13

right back in the bar says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal. Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight. I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured. That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions. All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league. Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience. Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices. Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.
Arshavin? How much would he want? Does he want to stay in England. He's only 31 as well.
Lives in London - moved his family over and that's why he was intent on staying/clinging on at Arsenal. Clever player but suspect attitude.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal. Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight. I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured. That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions. All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league. Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience. Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices. Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.[/p][/quote]Arshavin? How much would he want? Does he want to stay in England. He's only 31 as well.[/p][/quote]Lives in London - moved his family over and that's why he was intent on staying/clinging on at Arsenal. Clever player but suspect attitude. right back in the bar
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2:23pm Thu 3 Jan 13

El Santo says...

Saints n Winners wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal. Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight. I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured. That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions. All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league. Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience. Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices. Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.
Arshavin? How much would he want? Does he want to stay in England. He's only 31 as well.
Good point on Sorensen. He's got enough experience and quality to improve what we currently have.
Regarding Arshavin, we are back to Lampard-Dawson-Parke
r. And he is too inconsistent. We need someone who will deliver day in day out, even if not necessarily a top drawer player.
I also think that we still have a lot of options to cover our midfield defensively... unless we want a superclass there I don't know how are we going to improve our lot.
[quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal. Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight. I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured. That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions. All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league. Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience. Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices. Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.[/p][/quote]Arshavin? How much would he want? Does he want to stay in England. He's only 31 as well.[/p][/quote]Good point on Sorensen. He's got enough experience and quality to improve what we currently have. Regarding Arshavin, we are back to Lampard-Dawson-Parke r. And he is too inconsistent. We need someone who will deliver day in day out, even if not necessarily a top drawer player. I also think that we still have a lot of options to cover our midfield defensively... unless we want a superclass there I don't know how are we going to improve our lot. El Santo
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2:32pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Saints n Winners says...

El Santo wrote:
Saints n Winners wrote:
SaintJD wrote: Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal. Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight. I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured. That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions. All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league. Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience. Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices. Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.
Arshavin? How much would he want? Does he want to stay in England. He's only 31 as well.
Good point on Sorensen. He's got enough experience and quality to improve what we currently have. Regarding Arshavin, we are back to Lampard-Dawson-Parke r. And he is too inconsistent. We need someone who will deliver day in day out, even if not necessarily a top drawer player. I also think that we still have a lot of options to cover our midfield defensively... unless we want a superclass there I don't know how are we going to improve our lot.
Agree, we need a Kevin Nolan / Scott Parker type player, with PL experience. Can't think of any that are available though. Sometimes though, you take a fringe player at a bigger club, move them out, and they just blossom in their last few playing years.
[quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints n Winners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal. Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight. I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured. That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions. All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league. Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience. Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices. Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.[/p][/quote]Arshavin? How much would he want? Does he want to stay in England. He's only 31 as well.[/p][/quote]Good point on Sorensen. He's got enough experience and quality to improve what we currently have. Regarding Arshavin, we are back to Lampard-Dawson-Parke r. And he is too inconsistent. We need someone who will deliver day in day out, even if not necessarily a top drawer player. I also think that we still have a lot of options to cover our midfield defensively... unless we want a superclass there I don't know how are we going to improve our lot.[/p][/quote]Agree, we need a Kevin Nolan / Scott Parker type player, with PL experience. Can't think of any that are available though. Sometimes though, you take a fringe player at a bigger club, move them out, and they just blossom in their last few playing years. Saints n Winners
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2:41pm Thu 3 Jan 13

st1halo says...

right back in the bar wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal.

Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight.

I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured.

That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions.

All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league.

Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience.

Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices.

Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.
I think you are right about the back 4 - up to a point. Fonte has improved massively and Yoshida is settling in; both full backs are more than sound. But I also think Spider and Cork have to do a huge amount to protect them and as a result we are too defensively minded in midfield and get stretched. A quality centre back to play out from defence, allowing Spider to pull the strings further forward, and a striker to play up with RL. wait and see.
I don't think a striker is necessarily required. IMO we need to look for targets that will vary our game and Nigel needs to vary tactics to accomplish that. In effect we play with two No10s trying to create around the box, we rarely get to the byline and turn defenders, Punch will cut in from the right, AL from the left, we appear to have no right winger who can cross with his right foot and Rickie barely gets in the box where he is deadly. In short we are predictable. We have players who we don't utilise to their potential but we need cover and if we are going to bring players in, I think it needs to be to add to threats and abilities that we don't currently possess.

STID
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal. Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight. I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured. That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions. All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league. Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience. Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices. Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.[/p][/quote]I think you are right about the back 4 - up to a point. Fonte has improved massively and Yoshida is settling in; both full backs are more than sound. But I also think Spider and Cork have to do a huge amount to protect them and as a result we are too defensively minded in midfield and get stretched. A quality centre back to play out from defence, allowing Spider to pull the strings further forward, and a striker to play up with RL. wait and see.[/p][/quote]I don't think a striker is necessarily required. IMO we need to look for targets that will vary our game and Nigel needs to vary tactics to accomplish that. In effect we play with two No10s trying to create around the box, we rarely get to the byline and turn defenders, Punch will cut in from the right, AL from the left, we appear to have no right winger who can cross with his right foot and Rickie barely gets in the box where he is deadly. In short we are predictable. We have players who we don't utilise to their potential but we need cover and if we are going to bring players in, I think it needs to be to add to threats and abilities that we don't currently possess. STID st1halo
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2:54pm Thu 3 Jan 13

warrens 76 says...

Clemster wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Find this a really pointless post. It's about as useful as people posting earlier on in the season saying that we need to stop conceding goals. If there was a magic wand that turned draws into wins then I am sure that we, along with the rest of the Premier League, would have been waving it.

Am sure NA knows that we have to win games and I never doubt that every game we turn up to we try and do that.

Sometimes we are just not good enough and that is to be expected first year back in the top flight.

Also think we have a midfield leader who can bring it all together - AL.
happy new year to you..it's a discussion ffs, on the basis NA knows everything anyway would you not say the whole forum is waste of time..?

As an aside RL often knocks/ heads the ball into really dangerous areas were no-one is there to finish or is capable of finishing.....there is a strong argument for a quality poacher and I wonder if J Rod and Lee are not it then we should bring 'whatsisname' (i've gone blank) back from Forest.
[quote][p][bold]Clemster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Find this a really pointless post. It's about as useful as people posting earlier on in the season saying that we need to stop conceding goals. If there was a magic wand that turned draws into wins then I am sure that we, along with the rest of the Premier League, would have been waving it. Am sure NA knows that we have to win games and I never doubt that every game we turn up to we try and do that. Sometimes we are just not good enough and that is to be expected first year back in the top flight. Also think we have a midfield leader who can bring it all together - AL.[/p][/quote]happy new year to you..it's a discussion ffs, on the basis NA knows everything anyway would you not say the whole forum is waste of time..? As an aside RL often knocks/ heads the ball into really dangerous areas were no-one is there to finish or is capable of finishing.....there is a strong argument for a quality poacher and I wonder if J Rod and Lee are not it then we should bring 'whatsisname' (i've gone blank) back from Forest. warrens 76
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3:02pm Thu 3 Jan 13

right back in the bar says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Clemster wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Find this a really pointless post. It's about as useful as people posting earlier on in the season saying that we need to stop conceding goals. If there was a magic wand that turned draws into wins then I am sure that we, along with the rest of the Premier League, would have been waving it.

Am sure NA knows that we have to win games and I never doubt that every game we turn up to we try and do that.

Sometimes we are just not good enough and that is to be expected first year back in the top flight.

Also think we have a midfield leader who can bring it all together - AL.
happy new year to you..it's a discussion ffs, on the basis NA knows everything anyway would you not say the whole forum is waste of time..?

As an aside RL often knocks/ heads the ball into really dangerous areas were no-one is there to finish or is capable of finishing.....there is a strong argument for a quality poacher and I wonder if J Rod and Lee are not it then we should bring 'whatsisname' (i've gone blank) back from Forest.
Exactly what I have been saying all along - bring someone in to play off Lambert. (But I don't think it is Billy Sharp we need)
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clemster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Find this a really pointless post. It's about as useful as people posting earlier on in the season saying that we need to stop conceding goals. If there was a magic wand that turned draws into wins then I am sure that we, along with the rest of the Premier League, would have been waving it. Am sure NA knows that we have to win games and I never doubt that every game we turn up to we try and do that. Sometimes we are just not good enough and that is to be expected first year back in the top flight. Also think we have a midfield leader who can bring it all together - AL.[/p][/quote]happy new year to you..it's a discussion ffs, on the basis NA knows everything anyway would you not say the whole forum is waste of time..? As an aside RL often knocks/ heads the ball into really dangerous areas were no-one is there to finish or is capable of finishing.....there is a strong argument for a quality poacher and I wonder if J Rod and Lee are not it then we should bring 'whatsisname' (i've gone blank) back from Forest.[/p][/quote]Exactly what I have been saying all along - bring someone in to play off Lambert. (But I don't think it is Billy Sharp we need) right back in the bar
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3:10pm Thu 3 Jan 13

right back in the bar says...

st1halo wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal.

Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight.

I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured.

That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions.

All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league.

Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience.

Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices.

Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.
I think you are right about the back 4 - up to a point. Fonte has improved massively and Yoshida is settling in; both full backs are more than sound. But I also think Spider and Cork have to do a huge amount to protect them and as a result we are too defensively minded in midfield and get stretched. A quality centre back to play out from defence, allowing Spider to pull the strings further forward, and a striker to play up with RL. wait and see.
I don't think a striker is necessarily required. IMO we need to look for targets that will vary our game and Nigel needs to vary tactics to accomplish that. In effect we play with two No10s trying to create around the box, we rarely get to the byline and turn defenders, Punch will cut in from the right, AL from the left, we appear to have no right winger who can cross with his right foot and Rickie barely gets in the box where he is deadly. In short we are predictable. We have players who we don't utilise to their potential but we need cover and if we are going to bring players in, I think it needs to be to add to threats and abilities that we don't currently possess.

STID
Both AL and Puch are capable of taking on defenders and getting to the byline. If RL had a stiking partner both these players could vary their game and need not be as one dimensional always looking to cut in and play little one twos around the box.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal. Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight. I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured. That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions. All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league. Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience. Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices. Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.[/p][/quote]I think you are right about the back 4 - up to a point. Fonte has improved massively and Yoshida is settling in; both full backs are more than sound. But I also think Spider and Cork have to do a huge amount to protect them and as a result we are too defensively minded in midfield and get stretched. A quality centre back to play out from defence, allowing Spider to pull the strings further forward, and a striker to play up with RL. wait and see.[/p][/quote]I don't think a striker is necessarily required. IMO we need to look for targets that will vary our game and Nigel needs to vary tactics to accomplish that. In effect we play with two No10s trying to create around the box, we rarely get to the byline and turn defenders, Punch will cut in from the right, AL from the left, we appear to have no right winger who can cross with his right foot and Rickie barely gets in the box where he is deadly. In short we are predictable. We have players who we don't utilise to their potential but we need cover and if we are going to bring players in, I think it needs to be to add to threats and abilities that we don't currently possess. STID[/p][/quote]Both AL and Puch are capable of taking on defenders and getting to the byline. If RL had a stiking partner both these players could vary their game and need not be as one dimensional always looking to cut in and play little one twos around the box. right back in the bar
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3:51pm Thu 3 Jan 13

st1halo says...

right back in the bar wrote:
st1halo wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal.

Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight.

I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured.

That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions.

All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league.

Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience.

Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices.

Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.
I think you are right about the back 4 - up to a point. Fonte has improved massively and Yoshida is settling in; both full backs are more than sound. But I also think Spider and Cork have to do a huge amount to protect them and as a result we are too defensively minded in midfield and get stretched. A quality centre back to play out from defence, allowing Spider to pull the strings further forward, and a striker to play up with RL. wait and see.
I don't think a striker is necessarily required. IMO we need to look for targets that will vary our game and Nigel needs to vary tactics to accomplish that. In effect we play with two No10s trying to create around the box, we rarely get to the byline and turn defenders, Punch will cut in from the right, AL from the left, we appear to have no right winger who can cross with his right foot and Rickie barely gets in the box where he is deadly. In short we are predictable. We have players who we don't utilise to their potential but we need cover and if we are going to bring players in, I think it needs to be to add to threats and abilities that we don't currently possess.

STID
Both AL and Puch are capable of taking on defenders and getting to the byline. If RL had a stiking partner both these players could vary their game and need not be as one dimensional always looking to cut in and play little one twos around the box.
Punch can get to the byline but still has to cut back to cross as he has no right foot ability. Adam isn't a natural left winger either, He's more of a central player who uses the left channels if you look at his career stats (Fox is a natural left foot crosser) We are playing players that can do a job in certain positions but we need to play them in their best positions and acquire the abilities we lack. Rickie is great at holding play and passing around the box but in it he can be unplayable, his goal at Stoke as an example. I think we have more than enough scoring ability but need to seek to pull defences apart. The way we play at the moment will not benefit another striker as it allows teams to pack the box not to mention the fact that you will have to lose a midfielder to accomodate.


STID
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal. Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight. I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured. That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions. All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league. Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience. Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices. Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.[/p][/quote]I think you are right about the back 4 - up to a point. Fonte has improved massively and Yoshida is settling in; both full backs are more than sound. But I also think Spider and Cork have to do a huge amount to protect them and as a result we are too defensively minded in midfield and get stretched. A quality centre back to play out from defence, allowing Spider to pull the strings further forward, and a striker to play up with RL. wait and see.[/p][/quote]I don't think a striker is necessarily required. IMO we need to look for targets that will vary our game and Nigel needs to vary tactics to accomplish that. In effect we play with two No10s trying to create around the box, we rarely get to the byline and turn defenders, Punch will cut in from the right, AL from the left, we appear to have no right winger who can cross with his right foot and Rickie barely gets in the box where he is deadly. In short we are predictable. We have players who we don't utilise to their potential but we need cover and if we are going to bring players in, I think it needs to be to add to threats and abilities that we don't currently possess. STID[/p][/quote]Both AL and Puch are capable of taking on defenders and getting to the byline. If RL had a stiking partner both these players could vary their game and need not be as one dimensional always looking to cut in and play little one twos around the box.[/p][/quote]Punch can get to the byline but still has to cut back to cross as he has no right foot ability. Adam isn't a natural left winger either, He's more of a central player who uses the left channels if you look at his career stats (Fox is a natural left foot crosser) We are playing players that can do a job in certain positions but we need to play them in their best positions and acquire the abilities we lack. Rickie is great at holding play and passing around the box but in it he can be unplayable, his goal at Stoke as an example. I think we have more than enough scoring ability but need to seek to pull defences apart. The way we play at the moment will not benefit another striker as it allows teams to pack the box not to mention the fact that you will have to lose a midfielder to accomodate. STID st1halo
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5:06pm Thu 3 Jan 13

SaintJD says...

st1halo wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
st1halo wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal.

Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight.

I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured.

That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions.

All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league.

Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience.

Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices.

Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.
I think you are right about the back 4 - up to a point. Fonte has improved massively and Yoshida is settling in; both full backs are more than sound. But I also think Spider and Cork have to do a huge amount to protect them and as a result we are too defensively minded in midfield and get stretched. A quality centre back to play out from defence, allowing Spider to pull the strings further forward, and a striker to play up with RL. wait and see.
I don't think a striker is necessarily required. IMO we need to look for targets that will vary our game and Nigel needs to vary tactics to accomplish that. In effect we play with two No10s trying to create around the box, we rarely get to the byline and turn defenders, Punch will cut in from the right, AL from the left, we appear to have no right winger who can cross with his right foot and Rickie barely gets in the box where he is deadly. In short we are predictable. We have players who we don't utilise to their potential but we need cover and if we are going to bring players in, I think it needs to be to add to threats and abilities that we don't currently possess.

STID
Both AL and Puch are capable of taking on defenders and getting to the byline. If RL had a stiking partner both these players could vary their game and need not be as one dimensional always looking to cut in and play little one twos around the box.
Punch can get to the byline but still has to cut back to cross as he has no right foot ability. Adam isn't a natural left winger either, He's more of a central player who uses the left channels if you look at his career stats (Fox is a natural left foot crosser) We are playing players that can do a job in certain positions but we need to play them in their best positions and acquire the abilities we lack. Rickie is great at holding play and passing around the box but in it he can be unplayable, his goal at Stoke as an example. I think we have more than enough scoring ability but need to seek to pull defences apart. The way we play at the moment will not benefit another striker as it allows teams to pack the box not to mention the fact that you will have to lose a midfielder to accomodate.


STID
Just my opinion, but though we could obviously improve our attacking edge the stats tend to show that scoring isn't going to threaten our survival.

Only one team in the bottom 11 of the league have scored more goals than us (Fulham), while Stoke are 10th with six less than us.

Norwich and West Ham are also well below us and Wigan, who I'd tend to think of as an overly attacking side for their position, have way fewer.

Villa are scoring less than a goal a game while we are close to 1.5. I know which manager I'd rather be.

Our goals against is also heading in the right direction, but it's still the silly goals that are costing us (Norwich, Arsenal, Stoke most recently) cut them out or at least reduce them and we will be safe, no question.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal. Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight. I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured. That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions. All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league. Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience. Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices. Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.[/p][/quote]I think you are right about the back 4 - up to a point. Fonte has improved massively and Yoshida is settling in; both full backs are more than sound. But I also think Spider and Cork have to do a huge amount to protect them and as a result we are too defensively minded in midfield and get stretched. A quality centre back to play out from defence, allowing Spider to pull the strings further forward, and a striker to play up with RL. wait and see.[/p][/quote]I don't think a striker is necessarily required. IMO we need to look for targets that will vary our game and Nigel needs to vary tactics to accomplish that. In effect we play with two No10s trying to create around the box, we rarely get to the byline and turn defenders, Punch will cut in from the right, AL from the left, we appear to have no right winger who can cross with his right foot and Rickie barely gets in the box where he is deadly. In short we are predictable. We have players who we don't utilise to their potential but we need cover and if we are going to bring players in, I think it needs to be to add to threats and abilities that we don't currently possess. STID[/p][/quote]Both AL and Puch are capable of taking on defenders and getting to the byline. If RL had a stiking partner both these players could vary their game and need not be as one dimensional always looking to cut in and play little one twos around the box.[/p][/quote]Punch can get to the byline but still has to cut back to cross as he has no right foot ability. Adam isn't a natural left winger either, He's more of a central player who uses the left channels if you look at his career stats (Fox is a natural left foot crosser) We are playing players that can do a job in certain positions but we need to play them in their best positions and acquire the abilities we lack. Rickie is great at holding play and passing around the box but in it he can be unplayable, his goal at Stoke as an example. I think we have more than enough scoring ability but need to seek to pull defences apart. The way we play at the moment will not benefit another striker as it allows teams to pack the box not to mention the fact that you will have to lose a midfielder to accomodate. STID[/p][/quote]Just my opinion, but though we could obviously improve our attacking edge the stats tend to show that scoring isn't going to threaten our survival. Only one team in the bottom 11 of the league have scored more goals than us (Fulham), while Stoke are 10th with six less than us. Norwich and West Ham are also well below us and Wigan, who I'd tend to think of as an overly attacking side for their position, have way fewer. Villa are scoring less than a goal a game while we are close to 1.5. I know which manager I'd rather be. Our goals against is also heading in the right direction, but it's still the silly goals that are costing us (Norwich, Arsenal, Stoke most recently) cut them out or at least reduce them and we will be safe, no question. SaintJD
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5:14pm Thu 3 Jan 13

SaintJD says...

Oh dear, oh dear, just seen this on the BBC breaking news feed. In Nigel we trust and all that, but have to say I'm a little surprised and disapointed...

Southampton manager Nigel Adkins plans to bring in new faces this month but has ruled out signing another goalkeeper.

Kelvin Davis, Paulo Gazzaniga and Artur Boruc have all started this season, with all three guilty of notable errors. However, Adkins, himself a former goalkeeper, has vowed to stand by them, ending talk of a move for Birmingham's Jack Butland or Blackburn's Paul Robinson.

"They are the three goalkeepers we've got now and I do not anticipate another goalkeeper coming in during this window," said Adkins.
Oh dear, oh dear, just seen this on the BBC breaking news feed. In Nigel we trust and all that, but have to say I'm a little surprised and disapointed... Southampton manager Nigel Adkins plans to bring in new faces this month but has ruled out signing another goalkeeper. Kelvin Davis, Paulo Gazzaniga and Artur Boruc have all started this season, with all three guilty of notable errors. However, Adkins, himself a former goalkeeper, has vowed to stand by them, ending talk of a move for Birmingham's Jack Butland or Blackburn's Paul Robinson. "They are the three goalkeepers we've got now and I do not anticipate another goalkeeper coming in during this window," said Adkins. SaintJD
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5:14pm Thu 3 Jan 13

warrens 76 says...

SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
st1halo wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal.

Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight.

I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured.

That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions.

All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league.

Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience.

Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices.

Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.
I think you are right about the back 4 - up to a point. Fonte has improved massively and Yoshida is settling in; both full backs are more than sound. But I also think Spider and Cork have to do a huge amount to protect them and as a result we are too defensively minded in midfield and get stretched. A quality centre back to play out from defence, allowing Spider to pull the strings further forward, and a striker to play up with RL. wait and see.
I don't think a striker is necessarily required. IMO we need to look for targets that will vary our game and Nigel needs to vary tactics to accomplish that. In effect we play with two No10s trying to create around the box, we rarely get to the byline and turn defenders, Punch will cut in from the right, AL from the left, we appear to have no right winger who can cross with his right foot and Rickie barely gets in the box where he is deadly. In short we are predictable. We have players who we don't utilise to their potential but we need cover and if we are going to bring players in, I think it needs to be to add to threats and abilities that we don't currently possess.

STID
Both AL and Puch are capable of taking on defenders and getting to the byline. If RL had a stiking partner both these players could vary their game and need not be as one dimensional always looking to cut in and play little one twos around the box.
Punch can get to the byline but still has to cut back to cross as he has no right foot ability. Adam isn't a natural left winger either, He's more of a central player who uses the left channels if you look at his career stats (Fox is a natural left foot crosser) We are playing players that can do a job in certain positions but we need to play them in their best positions and acquire the abilities we lack. Rickie is great at holding play and passing around the box but in it he can be unplayable, his goal at Stoke as an example. I think we have more than enough scoring ability but need to seek to pull defences apart. The way we play at the moment will not benefit another striker as it allows teams to pack the box not to mention the fact that you will have to lose a midfielder to accomodate.


STID
Just my opinion, but though we could obviously improve our attacking edge the stats tend to show that scoring isn't going to threaten our survival.

Only one team in the bottom 11 of the league have scored more goals than us (Fulham), while Stoke are 10th with six less than us.

Norwich and West Ham are also well below us and Wigan, who I'd tend to think of as an overly attacking side for their position, have way fewer.

Villa are scoring less than a goal a game while we are close to 1.5. I know which manager I'd rather be.

Our goals against is also heading in the right direction, but it's still the silly goals that are costing us (Norwich, Arsenal, Stoke most recently) cut them out or at least reduce them and we will be safe, no question.
We still gotta win..the last weeks of the season 'always' involve a team going on a winning NOT drawing streak..

Example going into the last 8 games a team pulls off 4 wins four losses..12 points...we draw 5 and win one...8 points...yet we only lost 2...

Been like this every season..lets get our wins NOW!
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Let's get real guys. Though totally agree Lampard, Parker and probably Dawson are quality players they are way out of our league in terms of wages and aspirations - like Butner, any link with Saints would be to alert bigger clubs with less of a wage structure to come in and trump the deal. Anyway, Lampard is used to competing for Champions Leagues with world-class players around him, think that, like Hughes and others in the past, he'd have little to no appetite for a relegation fight. I think the priority is getting quality back-up players who can provide cover and competition across the entire back line (keeper, centre back, left and right back) and in a holding midfield role in case Cork gets injured. That's five players, but I'd accept four if one of two of them can potentially play two positions. All ideally have to be hungry and see a long-term future at Saints on reasonable wages. They also need to be happy to play in either league. Bar the keeper, I think our first choice back line is good enough, as our recent defensive record shows - I'd sign Sorensen initially for experience. Considering he trains with Crouch, Shawcross, Huth, Jones and Walters every day I expect he may be better at dealing with crosses and physical stuff than our current choices. Either that or we need to look into Europe or the Championship for lesser known but reliable, good attitude, experienced players, ideally mid 20s.[/p][/quote]I think you are right about the back 4 - up to a point. Fonte has improved massively and Yoshida is settling in; both full backs are more than sound. But I also think Spider and Cork have to do a huge amount to protect them and as a result we are too defensively minded in midfield and get stretched. A quality centre back to play out from defence, allowing Spider to pull the strings further forward, and a striker to play up with RL. wait and see.[/p][/quote]I don't think a striker is necessarily required. IMO we need to look for targets that will vary our game and Nigel needs to vary tactics to accomplish that. In effect we play with two No10s trying to create around the box, we rarely get to the byline and turn defenders, Punch will cut in from the right, AL from the left, we appear to have no right winger who can cross with his right foot and Rickie barely gets in the box where he is deadly. In short we are predictable. We have players who we don't utilise to their potential but we need cover and if we are going to bring players in, I think it needs to be to add to threats and abilities that we don't currently possess. STID[/p][/quote]Both AL and Puch are capable of taking on defenders and getting to the byline. If RL had a stiking partner both these players could vary their game and need not be as one dimensional always looking to cut in and play little one twos around the box.[/p][/quote]Punch can get to the byline but still has to cut back to cross as he has no right foot ability. Adam isn't a natural left winger either, He's more of a central player who uses the left channels if you look at his career stats (Fox is a natural left foot crosser) We are playing players that can do a job in certain positions but we need to play them in their best positions and acquire the abilities we lack. Rickie is great at holding play and passing around the box but in it he can be unplayable, his goal at Stoke as an example. I think we have more than enough scoring ability but need to seek to pull defences apart. The way we play at the moment will not benefit another striker as it allows teams to pack the box not to mention the fact that you will have to lose a midfielder to accomodate. STID[/p][/quote]Just my opinion, but though we could obviously improve our attacking edge the stats tend to show that scoring isn't going to threaten our survival. Only one team in the bottom 11 of the league have scored more goals than us (Fulham), while Stoke are 10th with six less than us. Norwich and West Ham are also well below us and Wigan, who I'd tend to think of as an overly attacking side for their position, have way fewer. Villa are scoring less than a goal a game while we are close to 1.5. I know which manager I'd rather be. Our goals against is also heading in the right direction, but it's still the silly goals that are costing us (Norwich, Arsenal, Stoke most recently) cut them out or at least reduce them and we will be safe, no question.[/p][/quote]We still gotta win..the last weeks of the season 'always' involve a team going on a winning NOT drawing streak.. Example going into the last 8 games a team pulls off 4 wins four losses..12 points...we draw 5 and win one...8 points...yet we only lost 2... Been like this every season..lets get our wins NOW! warrens 76
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5:21pm Thu 3 Jan 13

SaintinCanada says...

Barcelona offered an 8-figure cash up front plus player deal for Rickie with Messi coming to Saints.

The sticking point was that NC was still negotiating a sell-on clause..........

....that's when my alarm-clock went off!
Barcelona offered an 8-figure cash up front plus player deal for Rickie with Messi coming to Saints. The sticking point was that NC was still negotiating a sell-on clause.......... ....that's when my alarm-clock went off! SaintinCanada
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5:51pm Thu 3 Jan 13

batesieboy says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Exactly THAT!
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Exactly THAT! batesieboy
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5:58pm Thu 3 Jan 13

batesieboy says...

Shareholder wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Cheer up for God's sake! This is nothing like 2005. We have a much better team, we're secure financially and organisationally, the fans and the club are as one and we'll most likely buy players rather than sell them in January. Results lately have been very good and compared to the first 10 games outstanding. We have every reason to be optimistic. I would say there are at least 5 other clubs in the Premiership which can't say the same! So please get a smile on - this is a great time to be a Saints fan.
As you say, Shareholder, we have every reason to be optimistic...EXCEPT the fact we are not winning games that we have "won" and it is no good pretending this is not the case. Look at the League table...Saints need to close out these games, as other teams have, and will do.No excuses. If we go back down to the Championship, it will be because of too many draws in games we could and should have won. That we had as good as won...and slipped up. From now on we have to ruthlessly close out games...or there will be tears.
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Cheer up for God's sake! This is nothing like 2005. We have a much better team, we're secure financially and organisationally, the fans and the club are as one and we'll most likely buy players rather than sell them in January. Results lately have been very good and compared to the first 10 games outstanding. We have every reason to be optimistic. I would say there are at least 5 other clubs in the Premiership which can't say the same! So please get a smile on - this is a great time to be a Saints fan.[/p][/quote]As you say, Shareholder, we have every reason to be optimistic...EXCEPT the fact we are not winning games that we have "won" and it is no good pretending this is not the case. Look at the League table...Saints need to close out these games, as other teams have, and will do.No excuses. If we go back down to the Championship, it will be because of too many draws in games we could and should have won. That we had as good as won...and slipped up. From now on we have to ruthlessly close out games...or there will be tears. batesieboy
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6:37pm Thu 3 Jan 13

warrens 76 says...

batesieboy wrote:
Shareholder wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
Good...

Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room.

When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won..

Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse...

Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick..

Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story..

WE must win and win and win....

A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.
Cheer up for God's sake! This is nothing like 2005. We have a much better team, we're secure financially and organisationally, the fans and the club are as one and we'll most likely buy players rather than sell them in January. Results lately have been very good and compared to the first 10 games outstanding. We have every reason to be optimistic. I would say there are at least 5 other clubs in the Premiership which can't say the same! So please get a smile on - this is a great time to be a Saints fan.
As you say, Shareholder, we have every reason to be optimistic...EXCEPT the fact we are not winning games that we have "won" and it is no good pretending this is not the case. Look at the League table...Saints need to close out these games, as other teams have, and will do.No excuses. If we go back down to the Championship, it will be because of too many draws in games we could and should have won. That we had as good as won...and slipped up. From now on we have to ruthlessly close out games...or there will be tears.
I do not want to be the one to say I told you so either batiseboy, but we have to win....thats what it's all about honourable draws will not keep us up.
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Good... Now fellow Saints time to address the elephant in the room. When we were relegated from prem we lost less games than I think the bottom 6, however we kept being pegged back to draws on games we coud/should of won.. Whilst I am still recovering from Stoke and proud of the 4rse result these 2 points and all the work done to secure them would have been irrelevant if we had just beaten Sunderland, indeed won Stoke or 4rse... Somebody has got to make a break out of this bottom four, Wigan last year won an impossible run of unlikely fixtures, it is not enough to pat ourselves on the back and do a 'Brucie' "did'nt we do well" we have got to win...and quick.. Drawing is still two points lost..in the old days of 1 point for a draw and 2 points for a win different story.. WE must win and win and win.... A midfield leader who can score and pull it all together...go get Lampard.[/p][/quote]Cheer up for God's sake! This is nothing like 2005. We have a much better team, we're secure financially and organisationally, the fans and the club are as one and we'll most likely buy players rather than sell them in January. Results lately have been very good and compared to the first 10 games outstanding. We have every reason to be optimistic. I would say there are at least 5 other clubs in the Premiership which can't say the same! So please get a smile on - this is a great time to be a Saints fan.[/p][/quote]As you say, Shareholder, we have every reason to be optimistic...EXCEPT the fact we are not winning games that we have "won" and it is no good pretending this is not the case. Look at the League table...Saints need to close out these games, as other teams have, and will do.No excuses. If we go back down to the Championship, it will be because of too many draws in games we could and should have won. That we had as good as won...and slipped up. From now on we have to ruthlessly close out games...or there will be tears.[/p][/quote]I do not want to be the one to say I told you so either batiseboy, but we have to win....thats what it's all about honourable draws will not keep us up. warrens 76
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7:02pm Thu 3 Jan 13

CharlieGeorgesMissingFinger says...

Sir Rickie is the only player we cannot afford to lose from the team, without him we are a much much poorer side. The rest of the team totally depend on him, he's a class act and hopefully he can get England recognition to cap a fantastic time in his career.
Sir Rickie is the only player we cannot afford to lose from the team, without him we are a much much poorer side. The rest of the team totally depend on him, he's a class act and hopefully he can get England recognition to cap a fantastic time in his career. CharlieGeorgesMissingFinger
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8:15pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Scarborosaint says...

Are some people on this site in the real world , lampard, Parker, Arshavin, apart from fact they probably all earn over 50k a week at least and are all over 30 do we really need players in their positions ? We do not have an endless pot of money to spend and it's time some of the fringe players stepped up to the plate and became valuable squad players, need a commanding centre half and if boruc is not answer a goalkeeper
Are some people on this site in the real world , lampard, Parker, Arshavin, apart from fact they probably all earn over 50k a week at least and are all over 30 do we really need players in their positions ? We do not have an endless pot of money to spend and it's time some of the fringe players stepped up to the plate and became valuable squad players, need a commanding centre half and if boruc is not answer a goalkeeper Scarborosaint
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9:26pm Thu 3 Jan 13

warrens 76 says...

Scarborosaint wrote:
Are some people on this site in the real world , lampard, Parker, Arshavin, apart from fact they probably all earn over 50k a week at least and are all over 30 do we really need players in their positions ? We do not have an endless pot of money to spend and it's time some of the fringe players stepped up to the plate and became valuable squad players, need a commanding centre half and if boruc is not answer a goalkeeper
Scarborough be fair, Scarborough fair!
anyway, the prem is full of players a tick past there absolute best but still a cut above most who have moved on to smaller clubs and still do a great job.

High wages without a fee particularly if linked to performances is more affordable to us than many....Cortese speaks to Di Matteo, DiM speaks to Chelsea, we take a couple of their quality players and they get first refusal on our youngsters when they are ready and willing to leave...

Seriously NC could come up with a plan...
[quote][p][bold]Scarborosaint[/bold] wrote: Are some people on this site in the real world , lampard, Parker, Arshavin, apart from fact they probably all earn over 50k a week at least and are all over 30 do we really need players in their positions ? We do not have an endless pot of money to spend and it's time some of the fringe players stepped up to the plate and became valuable squad players, need a commanding centre half and if boruc is not answer a goalkeeper[/p][/quote]Scarborough be fair, Scarborough fair! anyway, the prem is full of players a tick past there absolute best but still a cut above most who have moved on to smaller clubs and still do a great job. High wages without a fee particularly if linked to performances is more affordable to us than many....Cortese speaks to Di Matteo, DiM speaks to Chelsea, we take a couple of their quality players and they get first refusal on our youngsters when they are ready and willing to leave... Seriously NC could come up with a plan... warrens 76
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9:49pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Scarborosaint says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Scarborosaint wrote:
Are some people on this site in the real world , lampard, Parker, Arshavin, apart from fact they probably all earn over 50k a week at least and are all over 30 do we really need players in their positions ? We do not have an endless pot of money to spend and it's time some of the fringe players stepped up to the plate and became valuable squad players, need a commanding centre half and if boruc is not answer a goalkeeper
Scarborough be fair, Scarborough fair!
anyway, the prem is full of players a tick past there absolute best but still a cut above most who have moved on to smaller clubs and still do a great job.

High wages without a fee particularly if linked to performances is more affordable to us than many....Cortese speaks to Di Matteo, DiM speaks to Chelsea, we take a couple of their quality players and they get first refusal on our youngsters when they are ready and willing to leave...

Seriously NC could come up with a plan...
Not doubting that mate but think Parker will be a regular soon once fit, lampard will have the pick of clubs and Arshavin has never set the premiership alight, a loan deal for a big name not out of the question though , astori would be a top signing , current Italian international but think we will have to pay 8 mill plus for him
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarborosaint[/bold] wrote: Are some people on this site in the real world , lampard, Parker, Arshavin, apart from fact they probably all earn over 50k a week at least and are all over 30 do we really need players in their positions ? We do not have an endless pot of money to spend and it's time some of the fringe players stepped up to the plate and became valuable squad players, need a commanding centre half and if boruc is not answer a goalkeeper[/p][/quote]Scarborough be fair, Scarborough fair! anyway, the prem is full of players a tick past there absolute best but still a cut above most who have moved on to smaller clubs and still do a great job. High wages without a fee particularly if linked to performances is more affordable to us than many....Cortese speaks to Di Matteo, DiM speaks to Chelsea, we take a couple of their quality players and they get first refusal on our youngsters when they are ready and willing to leave... Seriously NC could come up with a plan...[/p][/quote]Not doubting that mate but think Parker will be a regular soon once fit, lampard will have the pick of clubs and Arshavin has never set the premiership alight, a loan deal for a big name not out of the question though , astori would be a top signing , current Italian international but think we will have to pay 8 mill plus for him Scarborosaint
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