Saints told to splash cash on five more top signings

Mauricio Pochettino

Mauricio Pochettino

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AMBITIOUS Saints have been told they need to splash the cash to bring in FIVE more top signings this summer.

So far Mauricio Pochettino has added just one player to his squad since the end of last season – £8.5m Croatian centre half Dejan Lovren from French club Lyon.

Saints have been linked with many more foreign internationals, including two defensive midfielders in Celtic’s Victor Wanyama and Cagliari’s Radja Nainggolan.

Former Saints striker Gordon Watson admits adding more central defenders should be a priority as Pochettino aims to take the club to the next level.

And Watson is adamant Saints also need to bring in a new striker to help take the load off talisman Rickie Lambert.

“Saints need to sign five more quality players,” he declared.

“They have brought in one, but they need a lot more if they want to take it to the next level.

“I would say they need two more top drawer centre halves because ideally you’d want four of them to pick from.

“We haven’t seen the new signing (Lovren) yet and we haven’t seen what (Vegard) Forren can do either.

“Jos Hooiveld and Jose Fonte are ok Premier League players, no more.

“And the jury is still out on Maya Yoshida because of his positioning.

“He likes to play behind the line and if other clubs capitalise on that it could be a massive problem for us.

“He wasn’t a positive for me.”

Lambert also needs someone to share the goals burden, says Watson.

The former Bristol Rovers man netted 15 Premier League goals in his first ever top flight campaign.

But no other Saint managed double figures, while Lambert also only scored one goal from open play in his last 11 league games of 2012/13.

“We need to sign a first team striker to play alongside Rickie,” said Watson.

“If you are serious about trying to get into Europe, you need at least three players in double figures.

“But last season we only had one.

“We need a natural goalscorer, someone like Darren Bent would be ideal.

“People might say he would cost too much, but I would say how much could it cost if you didn’t get a player like him?”

Lambert was one of the Saints success stories last term, and Watson said: “Rickie did very well.

“To finish as the joint top English scorer, you could not have asked for any more in his first Premier League season.

“He’s been on an upward curve ever since he joined Saints, but how many goals did he score towards the end of the season?

“Was he tired, was he burned out after a tough season?

“Or was the way he was being asked to play by Pochettino, not so far advanced, play a part?”

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7:33am Mon 24 Jun 13

Readeano says...

Im sorry im very confused as i thought i just read Gordon Watson saying that Darren Bent is what we need?

Pleaseeeeeeee for the love of God dont waste your money on him.

He hasn't got it anymore and thats if you thought he did! He isn't used by Villa so isn't that good and had a shocking last season.

I agree we need to get some decent signings but that thought is echoed by almost every saints fan and we all know we need to wait simples.
Im sorry im very confused as i thought i just read Gordon Watson saying that Darren Bent is what we need? Pleaseeeeeeee for the love of God dont waste your money on him. He hasn't got it anymore and thats if you thought he did! He isn't used by Villa so isn't that good and had a shocking last season. I agree we need to get some decent signings but that thought is echoed by almost every saints fan and we all know we need to wait simples. Readeano
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7:42am Mon 24 Jun 13

kinkyboots09 says...

Readeano wrote:
Im sorry im very confused as i thought i just read Gordon Watson saying that Darren Bent is what we need?

Pleaseeeeeeee for the love of God dont waste your money on him.

He hasn't got it anymore and thats if you thought he did! He isn't used by Villa so isn't that good and had a shocking last season.

I agree we need to get some decent signings but that thought is echoed by almost every saints fan and we all know we need to wait simples.
And Watson must be back on the sauce to say that xx
[quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: Im sorry im very confused as i thought i just read Gordon Watson saying that Darren Bent is what we need? Pleaseeeeeeee for the love of God dont waste your money on him. He hasn't got it anymore and thats if you thought he did! He isn't used by Villa so isn't that good and had a shocking last season. I agree we need to get some decent signings but that thought is echoed by almost every saints fan and we all know we need to wait simples.[/p][/quote]And Watson must be back on the sauce to say that xx kinkyboots09
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7:43am Mon 24 Jun 13

Tirau Dan says...

Pundits.. sorry but this one is ott

Darren Bent ... is he a regular these days? Is he on the prem top scorers list.

Really think our back room will have thing covered as we aim for Europe.
Pundits.. sorry but this one is ott Darren Bent ... is he a regular these days? Is he on the prem top scorers list. Really think our back room will have thing covered as we aim for Europe. Tirau Dan
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7:46am Mon 24 Jun 13

Tirau Dan says...

still giggling really.. after initially reading the headline I thought maybe Mourinho or Sir Alex had been on the blower.. nope.. Gordon Watson.... That told em Gordy :)

sorry.. well meant teasing and giggles Flash was a super stalwart up front and was cut down early.
still giggling really.. after initially reading the headline I thought maybe Mourinho or Sir Alex had been on the blower.. nope.. Gordon Watson.... That told em Gordy :) sorry.. well meant teasing and giggles Flash was a super stalwart up front and was cut down early. Tirau Dan
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8:01am Mon 24 Jun 13

ClemHardy1 says...

With the greatest respect to Gordon Watson, what does he know about what is needed to finish in the top half of the Premier League. I find it uncomfortable a player of limited lower league potential being critical of an international defender?!!??!
With the greatest respect to Gordon Watson, what does he know about what is needed to finish in the top half of the Premier League. I find it uncomfortable a player of limited lower league potential being critical of an international defender?!!??! ClemHardy1
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8:05am Mon 24 Jun 13

Hobson82 says...

Darren Bent?!? He is a good finisher you can't deny that. But I'm always wary of players who don't seem to spend very long at a football club, a bit like Craig Bellamy.
Darren Bent?!? He is a good finisher you can't deny that. But I'm always wary of players who don't seem to spend very long at a football club, a bit like Craig Bellamy. Hobson82
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8:07am Mon 24 Jun 13

milton road says...

Splashing the cash is nopt that easy it would seem. According to the Mirror today the three players Saints are only interested in Saints as a last resort as they want European football and are being courted by bigger clubs.
Splashing the cash is nopt that easy it would seem. According to the Mirror today the three players Saints are only interested in Saints as a last resort as they want European football and are being courted by bigger clubs. milton road
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8:10am Mon 24 Jun 13

milton road says...

Now i will write it so it makes sense.
LOL

According to the Mirror, the three p[layers Saints want, would only come to Saints as a last resort, they want European football and bigger clubs.
Now i will write it so it makes sense. LOL According to the Mirror, the three p[layers Saints want, would only come to Saints as a last resort, they want European football and bigger clubs. milton road
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8:12am Mon 24 Jun 13

Littleton-Saint says...

I agree that Watson needs straightening out on Bent, but his criticism of Pochettino's tactics involving Rickie, is valid.
I agree that Watson needs straightening out on Bent, but his criticism of Pochettino's tactics involving Rickie, is valid. Littleton-Saint
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8:13am Mon 24 Jun 13

bigfella777 says...

They need to get on with it if they are going to get the players bedded in,too much talk no action.Not looking good.
They need to get on with it if they are going to get the players bedded in,too much talk no action.Not looking good. bigfella777
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8:20am Mon 24 Jun 13

Rising_Son says...

bigfella777 wrote:
They need to get on with it if they are going to get the players bedded in,too much talk no action.Not looking good.
I can think of something looking even worse. How long do you think it will take you team to bed in a new manager?
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: They need to get on with it if they are going to get the players bedded in,too much talk no action.Not looking good.[/p][/quote]I can think of something looking even worse. How long do you think it will take you team to bed in a new manager? Rising_Son
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8:22am Mon 24 Jun 13

Readeano says...

milton road wrote:
Now i will write it so it makes sense.
LOL

According to the Mirror, the three p
According to the Mirror :D enough said
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Now i will write it so it makes sense. LOL According to the Mirror, the three p[layers Saints want, would only come to Saints as a last resort, they want European football and bigger clubs.[/p][/quote]According to the Mirror :D enough said Readeano
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8:24am Mon 24 Jun 13

DBTM says...

Putting aside the Darren Bent bit, he is probably right about the need for at least 5 top class players.
Apparently, the objective is to qualify for Europe; well, for that to happen we need at the very least 20 more points compared to last season.
We got 4 points from the last 6 games, playing some woeful football in some of them (West Brom springs to mind!), which is nailed on relegation form.
The scale of improvement needed is huge. I don't doubt that we'll get some good players in, but it'll take more than just some good players to think beyond finishing in the top 10. That in itself would be an achievement.
But Europe? I think we're deluding ourselves. Just slightly. And I include the Management in the "we".
I'd love to be wrong...........
Putting aside the Darren Bent bit, he is probably right about the need for at least 5 top class players. Apparently, the objective is to qualify for Europe; well, for that to happen we need at the very least 20 more points compared to last season. We got 4 points from the last 6 games, playing some woeful football in some of them (West Brom springs to mind!), which is nailed on relegation form. The scale of improvement needed is huge. I don't doubt that we'll get some good players in, but it'll take more than just some good players to think beyond finishing in the top 10. That in itself would be an achievement. But Europe? I think we're deluding ourselves. Just slightly. And I include the Management in the "we". I'd love to be wrong........... DBTM
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8:29am Mon 24 Jun 13

Puddletown Saint says...

Although I love all this transfer speculation - we must not buy in players who are here just for the money or don't want to play for the club. A committed and dedicated player wanting to play is worth more to the team that an a foreigner with ego. I am not anti overseas players but a Tom Ince or Scott Sinclair or Jon Jo Shelvey type players may just add more value than what has been said in the lazy press.

Final rant - must get agents out of the game - or at least they get paid by the player not the club. Money is going to ruin football, players need to want to play not just earn bucks. Any way the sun is out............COYR
Although I love all this transfer speculation - we must not buy in players who are here just for the money or don't want to play for the club. A committed and dedicated player wanting to play is worth more to the team that an a foreigner with ego. I am not anti overseas players but a Tom Ince or Scott Sinclair or Jon Jo Shelvey type players may just add more value than what has been said in the lazy press. Final rant - must get agents out of the game - or at least they get paid by the player not the club. Money is going to ruin football, players need to want to play not just earn bucks. Any way the sun is out............COYR Puddletown Saint
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8:30am Mon 24 Jun 13

Littleton-Saint says...

I agree. Our last six games were relegation form. Ideally, we'd have an English-speaking manager who is not a one-trick-pony and we'd bring in more quality before training re-starts in July.
I agree. Our last six games were relegation form. Ideally, we'd have an English-speaking manager who is not a one-trick-pony and we'd bring in more quality before training re-starts in July. Littleton-Saint
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8:32am Mon 24 Jun 13

Readeano says...

however without sounding like im moaning or jumping the gun here but we have the money, we have premier league and we have a manager who is supposed to attract bigger names than Nigel but i can see 1 player and alot of deals down the pan.

Now i know no one really knows and in Cortese we trust however as much as he tries to keep out of the media some how the story gets leaked and there is truth in what is reported.

I am a little concerned that what i feel to be quality players are not wanting to come and others out there may not be as good?
however without sounding like im moaning or jumping the gun here but we have the money, we have premier league and we have a manager who is supposed to attract bigger names than Nigel but i can see 1 player and alot of deals down the pan. Now i know no one really knows and in Cortese we trust however as much as he tries to keep out of the media some how the story gets leaked and there is truth in what is reported. I am a little concerned that what i feel to be quality players are not wanting to come and others out there may not be as good? Readeano
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8:34am Mon 24 Jun 13

george chivers says...

I think the Echo should do an article on what views Confucious has on our requirements for new players.

It would certainly be more interesting and entertaining than Gordon Watson's view.
I think the Echo should do an article on what views Confucious has on our requirements for new players. It would certainly be more interesting and entertaining than Gordon Watson's view. george chivers
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8:40am Mon 24 Jun 13

Folkestone Saint says...

I love all the speculation about who we are going to sign, but to those saying we should have already got players in and start to get them bedded in can I remind you that IT IS NOT JULY 1st yet
I love all the speculation about who we are going to sign, but to those saying we should have already got players in and start to get them bedded in can I remind you that IT IS NOT JULY 1st yet Folkestone Saint
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8:43am Mon 24 Jun 13

Rising_Son says...

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Although I love all this transfer speculation - we must not buy in players who are here just for the money or don't want to play for the club. A committed and dedicated player wanting to play is worth more to the team that an a foreigner with ego. I am not anti overseas players but a Tom Ince or Scott Sinclair or Jon Jo Shelvey type players may just add more value than what has been said in the lazy press.

Final rant - must get agents out of the game - or at least they get paid by the player not the club. Money is going to ruin football, players need to want to play not just earn bucks. Any way the sun is out............COYR
Would you also agree that a committed and dedicated player wanting to play is worth more to the team that an Englishman with ego? If you do, then what exactly is your reason for mentioning foreigners?
[quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Although I love all this transfer speculation - we must not buy in players who are here just for the money or don't want to play for the club. A committed and dedicated player wanting to play is worth more to the team that an a foreigner with ego. I am not anti overseas players but a Tom Ince or Scott Sinclair or Jon Jo Shelvey type players may just add more value than what has been said in the lazy press. Final rant - must get agents out of the game - or at least they get paid by the player not the club. Money is going to ruin football, players need to want to play not just earn bucks. Any way the sun is out............COYR[/p][/quote]Would you also agree that a committed and dedicated player wanting to play is worth more to the team that an Englishman with ego? If you do, then what exactly is your reason for mentioning foreigners? Rising_Son
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8:58am Mon 24 Jun 13

SaintinCanada says...

TEBOURBA wrote:

"When are the rest of you going to listen to me? My many followers agree that the Shyster will NEVER take the advice of the well-informed group at Solent Interiors and buy more goalkeepers.

We need goalkeepers......buy 5 or 6 of them.
TEBOURBA wrote: "When are the rest of you going to listen to me? My many followers agree that the Shyster will NEVER take the advice of the well-informed group at Solent Interiors and buy more goalkeepers. We need goalkeepers......buy 5 or 6 of them. SaintinCanada
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9:05am Mon 24 Jun 13

Alicesdad says...

Does anybody really think we are going to get 5 new players?

I think its likely that in the next fortnight we will get two more. One striker one midfielder.

That will be it.
Does anybody really think we are going to get 5 new players? I think its likely that in the next fortnight we will get two more. One striker one midfielder. That will be it. Alicesdad
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9:26am Mon 24 Jun 13

Readeano says...

Despite people stating that it isn't July 1st yet ( well done for that) it makes no difference.

Manager said he wants its done by July 1st yes thats correct and despite the Club not commenting on transfers we can see who we are after. None of them want to come so they won't.

July 1st will come and go with no different News.

I dont mean to sound negative or indeed like a smelly fish but at the moment the players who could change things around dont want to come and i suggest with 7 days to go they pull their fingers out
Despite people stating that it isn't July 1st yet ( well done for that) it makes no difference. Manager said he wants its done by July 1st yes thats correct and despite the Club not commenting on transfers we can see who we are after. None of them want to come so they won't. July 1st will come and go with no different News. I dont mean to sound negative or indeed like a smelly fish but at the moment the players who could change things around dont want to come and i suggest with 7 days to go they pull their fingers out Readeano
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9:32am Mon 24 Jun 13

Littleton-Saint says...

If Cortese wants a top four finish, then he'll need to coax away players like Lewandowski at Dortmund.
In 1982, we made a world record signing in Kevin Keegan. We managed top signings in the past. Is Pochettino the problem?
If Cortese wants a top four finish, then he'll need to coax away players like Lewandowski at Dortmund. In 1982, we made a world record signing in Kevin Keegan. We managed top signings in the past. Is Pochettino the problem? Littleton-Saint
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9:34am Mon 24 Jun 13

costa gaz says...

Darren Bent.... I'd rather have Jason Bent!!!!

I cannot understand why nobody has bought Will Hughes from Derby County.
One of the best youngsters around.
Darren Bent.... I'd rather have Jason Bent!!!! I cannot understand why nobody has bought Will Hughes from Derby County. One of the best youngsters around. costa gaz
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9:35am Mon 24 Jun 13

SouthamptonLegend says...

Littleton-Saint wrote:
If Cortese wants a top four finish, then he'll need to coax away players like Lewandowski at Dortmund.
In 1982, we made a world record signing in Kevin Keegan. We managed top signings in the past. Is Pochettino the problem?
No.
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: If Cortese wants a top four finish, then he'll need to coax away players like Lewandowski at Dortmund. In 1982, we made a world record signing in Kevin Keegan. We managed top signings in the past. Is Pochettino the problem?[/p][/quote]No. SouthamptonLegend
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9:43am Mon 24 Jun 13

Readeano says...

Its not Pochettino and hasn't been managers for a while.

Lets be honest here in my 15 years as a Massive Saints Fan i haven't known us to buy anyone with a Big name rep, yeah we have had our Greats i.e Neimi, Svenson's, etc and obviously we all know about academy players Bale, Walcott, Chambo etc

But we haven't bought anyone that i can think off in the last 15 years anyway.

I really want big name players, names which everyone knows when mentioned, players who are deemed to be amazing and can change a game, we have our players in our squad who have become good players and are deemed to be the thing keeping us going.

But despite Managers coming and going because of what ever reason but more recently because they cant get in big named players it doesn't change a thing we need to get a lucky break with an exceptional players and finish top 10 and times will change
Its not Pochettino and hasn't been managers for a while. Lets be honest here in my 15 years as a Massive Saints Fan i haven't known us to buy anyone with a Big name rep, yeah we have had our Greats i.e Neimi, Svenson's, etc and obviously we all know about academy players Bale, Walcott, Chambo etc But we haven't bought anyone that i can think off in the last 15 years anyway. I really want big name players, names which everyone knows when mentioned, players who are deemed to be amazing and can change a game, we have our players in our squad who have become good players and are deemed to be the thing keeping us going. But despite Managers coming and going because of what ever reason but more recently because they cant get in big named players it doesn't change a thing we need to get a lucky break with an exceptional players and finish top 10 and times will change Readeano
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9:53am Mon 24 Jun 13

DBTM says...

Littleton-Saint wrote:
If Cortese wants a top four finish, then he'll need to coax away players like Lewandowski at Dortmund.
In 1982, we made a world record signing in Kevin Keegan. We managed top signings in the past. Is Pochettino the problem?
A lot of things have happened since 1982. Where have you been?
In 1982, there wasn't a Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd, PSG, Monaco etc... offering obscene amount of money to average players.
And I'm not even going to mention agents.
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: If Cortese wants a top four finish, then he'll need to coax away players like Lewandowski at Dortmund. In 1982, we made a world record signing in Kevin Keegan. We managed top signings in the past. Is Pochettino the problem?[/p][/quote]A lot of things have happened since 1982. Where have you been? In 1982, there wasn't a Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd, PSG, Monaco etc... offering obscene amount of money to average players. And I'm not even going to mention agents. DBTM
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9:56am Mon 24 Jun 13

Crossley Place Saint says...

Wow, two separate articles based on the same lowkey interview with an undistinguished former player!

I'm not bothered about Wanyama not coming here. He's not good enough, and you could hear the greed in his comments reported yesterday (which were obviously planted by his agent).

Anybody else watch England Under20's, with JWP, on Al-Jaz last night? A poor, poor performance (2-2 vs Iraq). On that showing he'll be lucky to get in the Bournemouth side if he goes there on loan, although doubtless he was dragged down by the players round him.
Wow, two separate articles based on the same lowkey interview with an undistinguished former player! I'm not bothered about Wanyama not coming here. He's not good enough, and you could hear the greed in his comments reported yesterday (which were obviously planted by his agent). Anybody else watch England Under20's, with JWP, on Al-Jaz last night? A poor, poor performance (2-2 vs Iraq). On that showing he'll be lucky to get in the Bournemouth side if he goes there on loan, although doubtless he was dragged down by the players round him. Crossley Place Saint
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9:59am Mon 24 Jun 13

JohnItaly says...

Whilst it cannot be denied the club have come a long way in a very short timescale under the stewardship of NC often it is the last steps to reach your objective that are the most difficult. I find it very hard to accept that Cardiff can attract the likes of Wanyama (& now possibly Tom Ince) whilst the Saints seem to struggle to secure "high profile" players. One must remember that last season, it is alleged, we lost out on Michu, Coutinho & Buttner. It must be remembered that players are not only interested in medals (if so why go to Cardiff) but also their future security. Perhaps NC needs a dose of realism when it comes to meeting players' demands. The fact that players are turning down the Saints will not go unnoticed in the football world (the media will see to that) and every player who is approached will obviously wonder what lies behind the headlines. Perhaps it is time to catch a mackerel - by whatever means - to catch other mackerel.
Whilst it cannot be denied the club have come a long way in a very short timescale under the stewardship of NC often it is the last steps to reach your objective that are the most difficult. I find it very hard to accept that Cardiff can attract the likes of Wanyama (& now possibly Tom Ince) whilst the Saints seem to struggle to secure "high profile" players. One must remember that last season, it is alleged, we lost out on Michu, Coutinho & Buttner. It must be remembered that players are not only interested in medals (if so why go to Cardiff) but also their future security. Perhaps NC needs a dose of realism when it comes to meeting players' demands. The fact that players are turning down the Saints will not go unnoticed in the football world (the media will see to that) and every player who is approached will obviously wonder what lies behind the headlines. Perhaps it is time to catch a mackerel - by whatever means - to catch other mackerel. JohnItaly
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10:08am Mon 24 Jun 13

right back in the bar says...

Bent definitely is NOT the answer but I agree with Watson that we must sign a centre forward. As for this Kenyan I could not care less frankly: the writing was on the wall went he went public - a total mercenary attitude that we do not need at our club. We are already strong in the holding areas anyway: Spider and JC will only get better and if one of them drops out through suspension/injury there is SD or JWP. The imperative is to sign some wide midfielders who can turn defenders and get crosses in from the byline. Can't believe MP is not looking to get some width into our play. One more centre half, two wide midfielders, and a striker and then **** the cover in the full back positions.
Bent definitely is NOT the answer but I agree with Watson that we must sign a centre forward. As for this Kenyan I could not care less frankly: the writing was on the wall went he went public - a total mercenary attitude that we do not need at our club. We are already strong in the holding areas anyway: Spider and JC will only get better and if one of them drops out through suspension/injury there is SD or JWP. The imperative is to sign some wide midfielders who can turn defenders and get crosses in from the byline. Can't believe MP is not looking to get some width into our play. One more centre half, two wide midfielders, and a striker and then **** the cover in the full back positions. right back in the bar
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10:10am Mon 24 Jun 13

Egomaniac says...

I am not at all confused by the speculation. I posted my views on a thread a few days ago, and I will repeat it again.

We are not ready for a bash at Europe yet. We only marginally escaped relegation last season - that we did is to our credit nevertheless.

There is no reason not to target Europe as a set target over the next 3-4 years. You can't bring in so called name players and expect to make the grade in one go. It doesn't work that way. Anyone remember Lawrie Mac's patient rebuild - which culminated in success? But it wasn't achieved in one season was it?

As for the recent speculations, these players have made it clear that we are their last priority - they don't want to come here unless there is nothing else on offer. OK then. Forget them, and don't return with an offer when they fail elsewhere. We don't want these type of people who play for themselves and not the shirt.

I remember some years ago making an offer on a house. I agreed a price, and told the seller if he gazumped me I would not return. Sure enough, after paying legal and surveyor's fees he informed me he'd had a better offer, and could I match it or improve on it. I said absolutely not, and he went with the higher offer. A month later he was back to say the buyer had dropped out, and he would accept my original offer. I invited him to go jump in the lake, and he took another 18 months to sell his house - which I discovered was at a lower price than my original.

I hope the moral is obvious here.

It's unnamed potential we should be after - players that we can mould into top class performers. Then we will realise the dream - believe me!
I am not at all confused by the speculation. I posted my views on a thread a few days ago, and I will repeat it again. We are not ready for a bash at Europe yet. We only marginally escaped relegation last season - that we did is to our credit nevertheless. There is no reason not to target Europe as a set target over the next 3-4 years. You can't bring in so called name players and expect to make the grade in one go. It doesn't work that way. Anyone remember Lawrie Mac's patient rebuild - which culminated in success? But it wasn't achieved in one season was it? As for the recent speculations, these players have made it clear that we are their last priority - they don't want to come here unless there is nothing else on offer. OK then. Forget them, and don't return with an offer when they fail elsewhere. We don't want these type of people who play for themselves and not the shirt. I remember some years ago making an offer on a house. I agreed a price, and told the seller if he gazumped me I would not return. Sure enough, after paying legal and surveyor's fees he informed me he'd had a better offer, and could I match it or improve on it. I said absolutely not, and he went with the higher offer. A month later he was back to say the buyer had dropped out, and he would accept my original offer. I invited him to go jump in the lake, and he took another 18 months to sell his house - which I discovered was at a lower price than my original. I hope the moral is obvious here. It's unnamed potential we should be after - players that we can mould into top class performers. Then we will realise the dream - believe me! Egomaniac
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10:12am Mon 24 Jun 13

Sainty saint saint says...

JohnItaly wrote:
Whilst it cannot be denied the club have come a long way in a very short timescale under the stewardship of NC often it is the last steps to reach your objective that are the most difficult. I find it very hard to accept that Cardiff can attract the likes of Wanyama (& now possibly Tom Ince) whilst the Saints seem to struggle to secure "high profile" players. One must remember that last season, it is alleged, we lost out on Michu, Coutinho & Buttner. It must be remembered that players are not only interested in medals (if so why go to Cardiff) but also their future security. Perhaps NC needs a dose of realism when it comes to meeting players' demands. The fact that players are turning down the Saints will not go unnoticed in the football world (the media will see to that) and every player who is approached will obviously wonder what lies behind the headlines. Perhaps it is time to catch a mackerel - by whatever means - to catch other mackerel.
I think the issue is that Cardiff are bankrolled by a group of people that don't care if they leave the club in the do-do once they're bored of running a football club. Hence they'll pay stupid wages to try to get 'success' (a la QPR) and then just pull their support if they don't achieve what they want, not concerned about what happens afterwards (a la Pompey).

NC is more prudent, interested in running the club as a business, and so won't pay stupid wages which will upset the whole structure of the club's finances.

He doesn't want us to be left unable to pay wages if the wealthy owner decides to walk away in future.

Makes sense to me.
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: Whilst it cannot be denied the club have come a long way in a very short timescale under the stewardship of NC often it is the last steps to reach your objective that are the most difficult. I find it very hard to accept that Cardiff can attract the likes of Wanyama (& now possibly Tom Ince) whilst the Saints seem to struggle to secure "high profile" players. One must remember that last season, it is alleged, we lost out on Michu, Coutinho & Buttner. It must be remembered that players are not only interested in medals (if so why go to Cardiff) but also their future security. Perhaps NC needs a dose of realism when it comes to meeting players' demands. The fact that players are turning down the Saints will not go unnoticed in the football world (the media will see to that) and every player who is approached will obviously wonder what lies behind the headlines. Perhaps it is time to catch a mackerel - by whatever means - to catch other mackerel.[/p][/quote]I think the issue is that Cardiff are bankrolled by a group of people that don't care if they leave the club in the do-do once they're bored of running a football club. Hence they'll pay stupid wages to try to get 'success' (a la QPR) and then just pull their support if they don't achieve what they want, not concerned about what happens afterwards (a la Pompey). NC is more prudent, interested in running the club as a business, and so won't pay stupid wages which will upset the whole structure of the club's finances. He doesn't want us to be left unable to pay wages if the wealthy owner decides to walk away in future. Makes sense to me. Sainty saint saint
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10:13am Mon 24 Jun 13

Eastleigh82 says...

Gordon watson you are a stroker
Gordon watson you are a stroker Eastleigh82
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10:16am Mon 24 Jun 13

Dave Juson says...

george chivers wrote:
I think the Echo should do an article on what views Confucious has on our requirements for new players.

It would certainly be more interesting and entertaining than Gordon Watson's view.
Agreed.
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It amazes me that the Echo has not hired Confucious. He is far more erudite than most of their editorial staff and has the ear of Mrs Wilson -- while the Echo, of course, remains persona non grata at St Mary’s.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: I think the Echo should do an article on what views Confucious has on our requirements for new players. It would certainly be more interesting and entertaining than Gordon Watson's view.[/p][/quote]Agreed. . It amazes me that the Echo has not hired Confucious. He is far more erudite than most of their editorial staff and has the ear of Mrs Wilson -- while the Echo, of course, remains persona non grata at St Mary’s. Dave Juson
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10:19am Mon 24 Jun 13

Readeano says...

JohnItaly wrote:
Whilst it cannot be denied the club have come a long way in a very short timescale under the stewardship of NC often it is the last steps to reach your objective that are the most difficult. I find it very hard to accept that Cardiff can attract the likes of Wanyama (& now possibly Tom Ince) whilst the Saints seem to struggle to secure "high profile" players. One must remember that last season, it is alleged, we lost out on Michu, Coutinho & Buttner. It must be remembered that players are not only interested in medals (if so why go to Cardiff) but also their future security. Perhaps NC needs a dose of realism when it comes to meeting players' demands. The fact that players are turning down the Saints will not go unnoticed in the football world (the media will see to that) and every player who is approached will obviously wonder what lies behind the headlines. Perhaps it is time to catch a mackerel - by whatever means - to catch other mackerel.
I totally agree, unfortunatly i really feel it requires just 1 well known big name player to come to Saints that will make others players think wow.

In the other respect we could get in players or use academy players to become big hold onto them and progress from there but tbh this is probably the first time in years we can actually hold onto our players and use them.

Big name teams are chosen over other teams for obvious reasons mostly topping EPL, CL, Europe etc if we can get to that stage then names will come but unfortuntly we also have to remember that when we get bigger and better, players will want to come because of where we are in the league and what comps we are in rather than i wouldn't mind jopining in with their plans to progress over a couple of years
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: Whilst it cannot be denied the club have come a long way in a very short timescale under the stewardship of NC often it is the last steps to reach your objective that are the most difficult. I find it very hard to accept that Cardiff can attract the likes of Wanyama (& now possibly Tom Ince) whilst the Saints seem to struggle to secure "high profile" players. One must remember that last season, it is alleged, we lost out on Michu, Coutinho & Buttner. It must be remembered that players are not only interested in medals (if so why go to Cardiff) but also their future security. Perhaps NC needs a dose of realism when it comes to meeting players' demands. The fact that players are turning down the Saints will not go unnoticed in the football world (the media will see to that) and every player who is approached will obviously wonder what lies behind the headlines. Perhaps it is time to catch a mackerel - by whatever means - to catch other mackerel.[/p][/quote]I totally agree, unfortunatly i really feel it requires just 1 well known big name player to come to Saints that will make others players think wow. In the other respect we could get in players or use academy players to become big hold onto them and progress from there but tbh this is probably the first time in years we can actually hold onto our players and use them. Big name teams are chosen over other teams for obvious reasons mostly topping EPL, CL, Europe etc if we can get to that stage then names will come but unfortuntly we also have to remember that when we get bigger and better, players will want to come because of where we are in the league and what comps we are in rather than i wouldn't mind jopining in with their plans to progress over a couple of years Readeano
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10:35am Mon 24 Jun 13

TEBOURBA says...

I'm surprised he didn't mention signing a PL class goalkeeper.
Surely it is wise to invest in getting the very best possible in the last line of defence.
Nicola has taken a big risk by sacking Nigel ( back to back promotions) just as he succeeded in turning things around and appointing out of work MP, who can't speak English and whose previous club finished rock bottom.
Once MP's honeymoon period was over his results, over his last 12 games were worse than Nigel's in his last 12.
I do hope Nicola doesn't repeat the same mistakes as he did in the last close season by spending millions on players who were, at best, average and IMO no better, like for like, than the Saints players already at the club, who they were signed to replace.
I'm surprised he didn't mention signing a PL class goalkeeper. Surely it is wise to invest in getting the very best possible in the last line of defence. Nicola has taken a big risk by sacking Nigel ( back to back promotions) just as he succeeded in turning things around and appointing out of work MP, who can't speak English and whose previous club finished rock bottom. Once MP's honeymoon period was over his results, over his last 12 games were worse than Nigel's in his last 12. I do hope Nicola doesn't repeat the same mistakes as he did in the last close season by spending millions on players who were, at best, average and IMO no better, like for like, than the Saints players already at the club, who they were signed to replace. TEBOURBA
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10:37am Mon 24 Jun 13

mbetts says...

We're going to sign a couple more, but it won't be any journeymen british players, they will be unknown, to the average Saints fan, plying their trade in Spain or Italy, not keen on the Celtic player, seems to only be interested in his personal terms, we need to swerve that one, and let moneybags Cardiff pay him what he wants.
We're going to sign a couple more, but it won't be any journeymen british players, they will be unknown, to the average Saints fan, plying their trade in Spain or Italy, not keen on the Celtic player, seems to only be interested in his personal terms, we need to swerve that one, and let moneybags Cardiff pay him what he wants. mbetts
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10:44am Mon 24 Jun 13

montecristosaint says...

Littleton-Saint wrote:
If Cortese wants a top four finish, then he'll need to coax away players like Lewandowski at Dortmund.
In 1982, we made a world record signing in Kevin Keegan. We managed top signings in the past. Is Pochettino the problem?
youve taken the words right out of my mouth.

We wont see much action before the window opens, but if I remember rightly there were two deals more or less done weeks ago, just cant be completed until the window opens.

Its going to be an interesting summer. Love the reaction from other clubs fans though. They are **** themselves over Saints ambitions.
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: If Cortese wants a top four finish, then he'll need to coax away players like Lewandowski at Dortmund. In 1982, we made a world record signing in Kevin Keegan. We managed top signings in the past. Is Pochettino the problem?[/p][/quote]youve taken the words right out of my mouth. We wont see much action before the window opens, but if I remember rightly there were two deals more or less done weeks ago, just cant be completed until the window opens. Its going to be an interesting summer. Love the reaction from other clubs fans though. They are **** themselves over Saints ambitions. montecristosaint
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10:47am Mon 24 Jun 13

montecristosaint says...

Dave Juson wrote:
george chivers wrote:
I think the Echo should do an article on what views Confucious has on our requirements for new players.

It would certainly be more interesting and entertaining than Gordon Watson's view.
Agreed.
.
It amazes me that the Echo has not hired Confucious. He is far more erudite than most of their editorial staff and has the ear of Mrs Wilson -- while the Echo, of course, remains persona non grata at St Mary’s.
I personally think Confucious is having it off with Mrs Wilson...
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: I think the Echo should do an article on what views Confucious has on our requirements for new players. It would certainly be more interesting and entertaining than Gordon Watson's view.[/p][/quote]Agreed. . It amazes me that the Echo has not hired Confucious. He is far more erudite than most of their editorial staff and has the ear of Mrs Wilson -- while the Echo, of course, remains persona non grata at St Mary’s.[/p][/quote]I personally think Confucious is having it off with Mrs Wilson... montecristosaint
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10:53am Mon 24 Jun 13

Costa Baz says...

I don't think anyone should be in the slightest surprised, if we fail to sign any of the "big" players we have targeted.

If Nainggolan's comments are to be believed, we ARE offering an adequate enough financial incentive, but for players with true ambition, this may not be enough.

For the best players, it is about proving themselves at the highest level, and until Saints can offer European competition as an incentive for players to sign, we will always struggle to sign this level of player.

We did well to get Lovren in, given that his team had qualified for the early stages of the Champions League.

But us chasing the very best players, although commendable and ambitious, is like the nerdy new boy at school, asking the best looking girl out on a date.

It ain't going to happen, and if it did, you'd be asking "What's the catch?"

As I've suggested before, the players we will have a greater chance of signing, are those that cannot get regular football, at their current club, because they are being kept out by the very best players, such as Osvaldo, Nainggolan, Ronaldo, Lewandowski, Messi etc.

Michu couldn't get regular football at Real Madrid, but was a revelation at Swansea.
This is the type of player we need to be identifying, and signing. Players that have the fire in their bellies to prove their ex clubs wrong.

With regards to previously being linked with Miroslav Stoch, anyone else noticed how quiet this rumour has become? The same thing happened with Lovren, then the next time he was mentioned, it was as a Saints player.

Regarding Wanyama, the fact that he is being cited as wanting to hear what Cardiff has to offer, puts him (IMO) firmly in the mercenary bracket.

Cardiff have less to offer, in terms of Premier League stability, than we do, so choosing them would (again IMO) be a decision based on financial gain.
I don't think anyone should be in the slightest surprised, if we fail to sign any of the "big" players we have targeted. If Nainggolan's comments are to be believed, we ARE offering an adequate enough financial incentive, but for players with true ambition, this may not be enough. For the best players, it is about proving themselves at the highest level, and until Saints can offer European competition as an incentive for players to sign, we will always struggle to sign this level of player. We did well to get Lovren in, given that his team had qualified for the early stages of the Champions League. But us chasing the very best players, although commendable and ambitious, is like the nerdy new boy at school, asking the best looking girl out on a date. It ain't going to happen, and if it did, you'd be asking "What's the catch?" As I've suggested before, the players we will have a greater chance of signing, are those that cannot get regular football, at their current club, because they are being kept out by the very best players, such as Osvaldo, Nainggolan, Ronaldo, Lewandowski, Messi etc. Michu couldn't get regular football at Real Madrid, but was a revelation at Swansea. This is the type of player we need to be identifying, and signing. Players that have the fire in their bellies to prove their ex clubs wrong. With regards to previously being linked with Miroslav Stoch, anyone else noticed how quiet this rumour has become? The same thing happened with Lovren, then the next time he was mentioned, it was as a Saints player. Regarding Wanyama, the fact that he is being cited as wanting to hear what Cardiff has to offer, puts him (IMO) firmly in the mercenary bracket. Cardiff have less to offer, in terms of Premier League stability, than we do, so choosing them would (again IMO) be a decision based on financial gain. Costa Baz
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11:00am Mon 24 Jun 13

Confucious says...

george chivers wrote:
I think the Echo should do an article on what views Confucious has on our requirements for new players.

It would certainly be more interesting and entertaining than Gordon Watson's view.
They contacted me last week George wanting to run a story on "The fans' views on new signings needed."

I had to be honest and say I think I only know the same as everyone else - although I can't be certain that I know everything they know. This means that there might be things others know that I don't know, so I don't know they know them - and indeed some things that I know which they don't know, but which I don't know they don't know.

I said I was prepared to go through any list they have of the things other people know and confirm whether I also know them, but what I would really need is a list of all the things which other people don't know which I could then check against the list of things I do know and then I could let them know if I know any things which they don't know.

Anyway, the reporter seemed to get the hump a bit and said how could he know everything that they don't know? And in any case, he said, if he didn't know what they didn't know, the list would have to be not only speculative but enormously long - because just about everybody doesn't know a massive amount of things.

I did point out that the list of things they don't know needn't be massive, because it would only need to include very important things they don't know and not daft little things.

I think his problem was a fixation on trying to pin me down to the "here and now"; not appreciating that it's the things which we don't know about that have happened in the past and will happen in the future, which are the key to this matter.

In the end he said: "I can't be bothered with this any longer mate - if you can't answer the fukcing question, don't waste my time."

Well, after hearing that, I went for the throat. "That's exactly the lazy closed-mind attitude which accepted that Einstein's universal laws were in fact universal - and which thus held back for decades the exploration of quantum physics - where all the rules are broken and tiny things can even exist in different places at the same time!"

"We didn't know that, you know." I told him; "And we wouldn't know now either if we'd all been like you and couldn't be bothered about knowing what we don't know."

Anyway, even if they do ring up again, I'm not going to talk to them, because they didn't even quote me in the paper as saying "I don't know." -and their failure to do so means that everybody else wouldn't even know that I don't know.

I dunno - harrumph - what is the world coming to?
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: I think the Echo should do an article on what views Confucious has on our requirements for new players. It would certainly be more interesting and entertaining than Gordon Watson's view.[/p][/quote]They contacted me last week George wanting to run a story on "The fans' views on new signings needed." I had to be honest and say I think I only know the same as everyone else - although I can't be certain that I know everything they know. This means that there might be things others know that I don't know, so I don't know they know them - and indeed some things that I know which they don't know, but which I don't know they don't know. I said I was prepared to go through any list they have of the things other people know and confirm whether I also know them, but what I would really need is a list of all the things which other people don't know which I could then check against the list of things I do know and then I could let them know if I know any things which they don't know. Anyway, the reporter seemed to get the hump a bit and said how could he know everything that they don't know? And in any case, he said, if he didn't know what they didn't know, the list would have to be not only speculative but enormously long - because just about everybody doesn't know a massive amount of things. I did point out that the list of things they don't know needn't be massive, because it would only need to include very important things they don't know and not daft little things. I think his problem was a fixation on trying to pin me down to the "here and now"; not appreciating that it's the things which we don't know about that have happened in the past and will happen in the future, which are the key to this matter. In the end he said: "I can't be bothered with this any longer mate - if you can't answer the fukcing question, don't waste my time." Well, after hearing that, I went for the throat. "That's exactly the lazy closed-mind attitude which accepted that Einstein's universal laws were in fact universal - and which thus held back for decades the exploration of quantum physics - where all the rules are broken and tiny things can even exist in different places at the same time!" "We didn't know that, you know." I told him; "And we wouldn't know now either if we'd all been like you and couldn't be bothered about knowing what we don't know." Anyway, even if they do ring up again, I'm not going to talk to them, because they didn't even quote me in the paper as saying "I don't know." -and their failure to do so means that everybody else wouldn't even know that I don't know. I dunno - harrumph - what is the world coming to? Confucious
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11:12am Mon 24 Jun 13

right back in the bar says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Whilst it cannot be denied the club have come a long way in a very short timescale under the stewardship of NC often it is the last steps to reach your objective that are the most difficult. I find it very hard to accept that Cardiff can attract the likes of Wanyama (& now possibly Tom Ince) whilst the Saints seem to struggle to secure "high profile" players. One must remember that last season, it is alleged, we lost out on Michu, Coutinho & Buttner. It must be remembered that players are not only interested in medals (if so why go to Cardiff) but also their future security. Perhaps NC needs a dose of realism when it comes to meeting players' demands. The fact that players are turning down the Saints will not go unnoticed in the football world (the media will see to that) and every player who is approached will obviously wonder what lies behind the headlines. Perhaps it is time to catch a mackerel - by whatever means - to catch other mackerel.
I think the issue is that Cardiff are bankrolled by a group of people that don't care if they leave the club in the do-do once they're bored of running a football club. Hence they'll pay stupid wages to try to get 'success' (a la QPR) and then just pull their support if they don't achieve what they want, not concerned about what happens afterwards (a la Pompey).

NC is more prudent, interested in running the club as a business, and so won't pay stupid wages which will upset the whole structure of the club's finances.

He doesn't want us to be left unable to pay wages if the wealthy owner decides to walk away in future.

Makes sense to me.
Spot on - I said on these pages months ago that we should be careful what we all wish for. The writing is writ large on the wall in situations like the one with Wanyama: it would be mad to meet the inflated wage demands of chancers like him; and have him come in and lord it over players who have grafted and improved season upon season and proved they have what it takes. Boruc, the new centre half with JF or MY, LS and NC at full backs, JC and MS in holding midfield, AL and JP and Sir Richard should all be lining up at WBA in August along with a new striker. Any new players will have to earn the right; I am not for switching allegiance to a bunch of mercenaries.
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: Whilst it cannot be denied the club have come a long way in a very short timescale under the stewardship of NC often it is the last steps to reach your objective that are the most difficult. I find it very hard to accept that Cardiff can attract the likes of Wanyama (& now possibly Tom Ince) whilst the Saints seem to struggle to secure "high profile" players. One must remember that last season, it is alleged, we lost out on Michu, Coutinho & Buttner. It must be remembered that players are not only interested in medals (if so why go to Cardiff) but also their future security. Perhaps NC needs a dose of realism when it comes to meeting players' demands. The fact that players are turning down the Saints will not go unnoticed in the football world (the media will see to that) and every player who is approached will obviously wonder what lies behind the headlines. Perhaps it is time to catch a mackerel - by whatever means - to catch other mackerel.[/p][/quote]I think the issue is that Cardiff are bankrolled by a group of people that don't care if they leave the club in the do-do once they're bored of running a football club. Hence they'll pay stupid wages to try to get 'success' (a la QPR) and then just pull their support if they don't achieve what they want, not concerned about what happens afterwards (a la Pompey). NC is more prudent, interested in running the club as a business, and so won't pay stupid wages which will upset the whole structure of the club's finances. He doesn't want us to be left unable to pay wages if the wealthy owner decides to walk away in future. Makes sense to me.[/p][/quote]Spot on - I said on these pages months ago that we should be careful what we all wish for. The writing is writ large on the wall in situations like the one with Wanyama: it would be mad to meet the inflated wage demands of chancers like him; and have him come in and lord it over players who have grafted and improved season upon season and proved they have what it takes. Boruc, the new centre half with JF or MY, LS and NC at full backs, JC and MS in holding midfield, AL and JP and Sir Richard should all be lining up at WBA in August along with a new striker. Any new players will have to earn the right; I am not for switching allegiance to a bunch of mercenaries. right back in the bar
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11:15am Mon 24 Jun 13

Santa Retfordia says...

People draw quite hysterical reactions based on knowing less than 1% of what's actually going on. They swing in a heartbeat from "GET HIM ON BOARD" to "TELL HIM TO JOG ON" with nothing but gossip fed through a filter of Chinese whispers to fuel their ire.

This is why transfer season is amazing.
People draw quite hysterical reactions based on knowing less than 1% of what's actually going on. They swing in a heartbeat from "GET HIM ON BOARD" to "TELL HIM TO JOG ON" with nothing but gossip fed through a filter of Chinese whispers to fuel their ire. This is why transfer season is amazing. Santa Retfordia
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11:15am Mon 24 Jun 13

Readeano says...

Am i the only one who thinks its stupid for us to think, that if we dont sign anybody else and Cardiff do they may be in a stronger postion than us next season?

With Wanyami and now Ince going there and a few more going in im sure they could finish above us.

I only say this because we know we can challenege top teams but when it comes to QPR, Wigan, Stoke, Norwich, Sunderland, Newcastle, Reading, Aston Villa we cant do it and we probably wouldn't say they have better players than us.
Am i the only one who thinks its stupid for us to think, that if we dont sign anybody else and Cardiff do they may be in a stronger postion than us next season? With Wanyami and now Ince going there and a few more going in im sure they could finish above us. I only say this because we know we can challenege top teams but when it comes to QPR, Wigan, Stoke, Norwich, Sunderland, Newcastle, Reading, Aston Villa we cant do it and we probably wouldn't say they have better players than us. Readeano
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11:32am Mon 24 Jun 13

right back in the bar says...

Readeano wrote:
Am i the only one who thinks its stupid for us to think, that if we dont sign anybody else and Cardiff do they may be in a stronger postion than us next season?

With Wanyami and now Ince going there and a few more going in im sure they could finish above us.

I only say this because we know we can challenege top teams but when it comes to QPR, Wigan, Stoke, Norwich, Sunderland, Newcastle, Reading, Aston Villa we cant do it and we probably wouldn't say they have better players than us.
We already have good players but we do need a quality attacking midfielder and a striker who will get more than 20 goals for us next season. So signings should not be dictated by what other clubs are doing and yes it would be stupid to think that it should be. Look at QPR when they signed so called quality players in the Jan window quite a few of us thought that it would keep them up but those players couldn't be asked when it came to the hard graft.
[quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: Am i the only one who thinks its stupid for us to think, that if we dont sign anybody else and Cardiff do they may be in a stronger postion than us next season? With Wanyami and now Ince going there and a few more going in im sure they could finish above us. I only say this because we know we can challenege top teams but when it comes to QPR, Wigan, Stoke, Norwich, Sunderland, Newcastle, Reading, Aston Villa we cant do it and we probably wouldn't say they have better players than us.[/p][/quote]We already have good players but we do need a quality attacking midfielder and a striker who will get more than 20 goals for us next season. So signings should not be dictated by what other clubs are doing and yes it would be stupid to think that it should be. Look at QPR when they signed so called quality players in the Jan window quite a few of us thought that it would keep them up but those players couldn't be asked when it came to the hard graft. right back in the bar
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11:32am Mon 24 Jun 13

Churchill Saint says...

I think many on here are being naive if they think Saints are not attracting some players because they are small, unfashionable and not in Europe. In almost all cases it's down to the money (salary). Buttner did not join SFC because Manure offered more money. Simple. If Wanyama decides to join Cardiff instead of Saints it's simply because Cardiff will offer him higher salary. Simple. NC is never going to break his planned salary structure for any individual. If he did its the start if the slippery slope that Pompey and QPR are on and maybe Cardiff will be also.
I think many on here are being naive if they think Saints are not attracting some players because they are small, unfashionable and not in Europe. In almost all cases it's down to the money (salary). Buttner did not join SFC because Manure offered more money. Simple. If Wanyama decides to join Cardiff instead of Saints it's simply because Cardiff will offer him higher salary. Simple. NC is never going to break his planned salary structure for any individual. If he did its the start if the slippery slope that Pompey and QPR are on and maybe Cardiff will be also. Churchill Saint
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11:38am Mon 24 Jun 13

Egomaniac says...

Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome.

Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum.

I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.
Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome. Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum. I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan. Egomaniac
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11:42am Mon 24 Jun 13

J7junctionseven says...

I don't know why we're even bothering with some of these crap players anyway.
Lets face it 'Wagamama' only plays for Celtic so he can't be that good.
The Italian striker is 27 and if he was that good we'd have heard of him by now.
Move on Saints, there's better players out there.
COYR
I don't know why we're even bothering with some of these crap players anyway. Lets face it 'Wagamama' only plays for Celtic so he can't be that good. The Italian striker is 27 and if he was that good we'd have heard of him by now. Move on Saints, there's better players out there. COYR J7junctionseven
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11:42am Mon 24 Jun 13

J7junctionseven says...

I don't know why we're even bothering with some of these crap players anyway.
Lets face it 'Wagamama' only plays for Celtic so he can't be that good.
The Italian striker is 27 and if he was that good we'd have heard of him by now.
Move on Saints, there's better players out there.
COYR
I don't know why we're even bothering with some of these crap players anyway. Lets face it 'Wagamama' only plays for Celtic so he can't be that good. The Italian striker is 27 and if he was that good we'd have heard of him by now. Move on Saints, there's better players out there. COYR J7junctionseven
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11:45am Mon 24 Jun 13

J7junctionseven says...

Egomaniac wrote:
Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome.

Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum.

I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.
I believe!!
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome. Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum. I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.[/p][/quote]I believe!! J7junctionseven
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11:49am Mon 24 Jun 13

Confucious says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
People draw quite hysterical reactions based on knowing less than 1% of what's actually going on. They swing in a heartbeat from "GET HIM ON BOARD" to "TELL HIM TO JOG ON" with nothing but gossip fed through a filter of Chinese whispers to fuel their ire.

This is why transfer season is amazing.
I heard that too - both with AFC Tel Aviv.

I think we should sign Telhim Tojogon, but not Gethim Onboard. Circumspection is needed with these Jewish players.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: People draw quite hysterical reactions based on knowing less than 1% of what's actually going on. They swing in a heartbeat from "GET HIM ON BOARD" to "TELL HIM TO JOG ON" with nothing but gossip fed through a filter of Chinese whispers to fuel their ire. This is why transfer season is amazing.[/p][/quote]I heard that too - both with AFC Tel Aviv. I think we should sign Telhim Tojogon, but not Gethim Onboard. Circumspection is needed with these Jewish players. Confucious
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11:50am Mon 24 Jun 13

Saintsayer II says...

DBTM wrote:
Putting aside the Darren Bent bit, he is probably right about the need for at least 5 top class players.
Apparently, the objective is to qualify for Europe; well, for that to happen we need at the very least 20 more points compared to last season.
We got 4 points from the last 6 games, playing some woeful football in some of them (West Brom springs to mind!), which is nailed on relegation form.
The scale of improvement needed is huge. I don't doubt that we'll get some good players in, but it'll take more than just some good players to think beyond finishing in the top 10. That in itself would be an achievement.
But Europe? I think we're deluding ourselves. Just slightly. And I include the Management in the "we".
I'd love to be wrong...........
It's still to early in our developement to be thinking of a EL or CL place Another couple of years when players realise our ambitions are a possibility maybe I also am longing to be convinced by MoPo that his tactics can be sustained through a whole season
[quote][p][bold]DBTM[/bold] wrote: Putting aside the Darren Bent bit, he is probably right about the need for at least 5 top class players. Apparently, the objective is to qualify for Europe; well, for that to happen we need at the very least 20 more points compared to last season. We got 4 points from the last 6 games, playing some woeful football in some of them (West Brom springs to mind!), which is nailed on relegation form. The scale of improvement needed is huge. I don't doubt that we'll get some good players in, but it'll take more than just some good players to think beyond finishing in the top 10. That in itself would be an achievement. But Europe? I think we're deluding ourselves. Just slightly. And I include the Management in the "we". I'd love to be wrong...........[/p][/quote]It's still to early in our developement to be thinking of a EL or CL place Another couple of years when players realise our ambitions are a possibility maybe I also am longing to be convinced by MoPo that his tactics can be sustained through a whole season Saintsayer II
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11:52am Mon 24 Jun 13

DisplacedFan says...

Egomaniac wrote:
Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome.

Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum.

I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.
I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome. Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum. I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.[/p][/quote]I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome. DisplacedFan
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11:54am Mon 24 Jun 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice.
Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice. Bring back Branfoot
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11:56am Mon 24 Jun 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

Darren Bent! I take it that's his idea of a little joke.
Darren Bent! I take it that's his idea of a little joke. Bring back Branfoot
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12:00pm Mon 24 Jun 13

saint christopher says...

I know all these rumours give us all something to chew over but let's just remember that's all most of them are.

We should all know by now that we have a management that as far as possible works under the radar, and the first time most hear about a potential signing is when he's an actual not a potential!

In early July I fully expect 2 or 3 signings to suddenly be announced that (a) haven't been suggested before and (b) no one else has heard of.

Stay cool ..... (not difficult in the summer we're having).
I know all these rumours give us all something to chew over but let's just remember that's all most of them are. We should all know by now that we have a management that as far as possible works under the radar, and the first time most hear about a potential signing is when he's an actual not a potential! In early July I fully expect 2 or 3 signings to suddenly be announced that (a) haven't been suggested before and (b) no one else has heard of. Stay cool ..... (not difficult in the summer we're having). saint christopher
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12:06pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Egomaniac says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome.

Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum.

I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.
I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.
Thank you DisplacedFan. I appreciate your comment.
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome. Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum. I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.[/p][/quote]I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.[/p][/quote]Thank you DisplacedFan. I appreciate your comment. Egomaniac
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12:12pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Santa Retfordia says...

Confucious wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
People draw quite hysterical reactions based on knowing less than 1% of what's actually going on. They swing in a heartbeat from "GET HIM ON BOARD" to "TELL HIM TO JOG ON" with nothing but gossip fed through a filter of Chinese whispers to fuel their ire.

This is why transfer season is amazing.
I heard that too - both with AFC Tel Aviv.

I think we should sign Telhim Tojogon, but not Gethim Onboard. Circumspection is needed with these Jewish players.
We also have to think about how well devout jewish players are going to settle into the rest of the team. To begin with they'd start asking for kosher food and that's fair enough, but then certain players might start asking where all these rules came from and before you know it Jason Puncheon would be reading Leviticus and believing that uncleanliness is incompatible with holiness.

He can hardly go around wiping his arse on the pitch after that, can he? And that's the source of all his power...

We need to factor these things into our transfer policy.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: People draw quite hysterical reactions based on knowing less than 1% of what's actually going on. They swing in a heartbeat from "GET HIM ON BOARD" to "TELL HIM TO JOG ON" with nothing but gossip fed through a filter of Chinese whispers to fuel their ire. This is why transfer season is amazing.[/p][/quote]I heard that too - both with AFC Tel Aviv. I think we should sign Telhim Tojogon, but not Gethim Onboard. Circumspection is needed with these Jewish players.[/p][/quote]We also have to think about how well devout jewish players are going to settle into the rest of the team. To begin with they'd start asking for kosher food and that's fair enough, but then certain players might start asking where all these rules came from and before you know it Jason Puncheon would be reading Leviticus and believing that uncleanliness is incompatible with holiness. He can hardly go around wiping his arse on the pitch after that, can he? And that's the source of all his power... We need to factor these things into our transfer policy. Santa Retfordia
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12:18pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

Egomaniac wrote:
Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome.

Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum.

I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.
There is a clique on here which contains some plebs, but also there are a lot of other good posters who talk to each other.

The so called clique you reference is highly entertaining, due to the dross they post and how seriously they take this posting caper.
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome. Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum. I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.[/p][/quote]There is a clique on here which contains some plebs, but also there are a lot of other good posters who talk to each other. The so called clique you reference is highly entertaining, due to the dross they post and how seriously they take this posting caper. Bring back Branfoot
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12:22pm Mon 24 Jun 13

st1halo says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
People draw quite hysterical reactions based on knowing less than 1% of what's actually going on. They swing in a heartbeat from "GET HIM ON BOARD" to "TELL HIM TO JOG ON" with nothing but gossip fed through a filter of Chinese whispers to fuel their ire.

This is why transfer season is amazing.
Exactly and am I the only one who gets fed up with people mentioning Michu in posts. FFS! He was a one in a thousand gem that turned out right, not a benchmark for every signing! Every team in the league is looking for that.

STID
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: People draw quite hysterical reactions based on knowing less than 1% of what's actually going on. They swing in a heartbeat from "GET HIM ON BOARD" to "TELL HIM TO JOG ON" with nothing but gossip fed through a filter of Chinese whispers to fuel their ire. This is why transfer season is amazing.[/p][/quote]Exactly and am I the only one who gets fed up with people mentioning Michu in posts. FFS! He was a one in a thousand gem that turned out right, not a benchmark for every signing! Every team in the league is looking for that. STID st1halo
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12:30pm Mon 24 Jun 13

st1halo says...

Egomaniac wrote:
I am not at all confused by the speculation. I posted my views on a thread a few days ago, and I will repeat it again.

We are not ready for a bash at Europe yet. We only marginally escaped relegation last season - that we did is to our credit nevertheless.

There is no reason not to target Europe as a set target over the next 3-4 years. You can't bring in so called name players and expect to make the grade in one go. It doesn't work that way. Anyone remember Lawrie Mac's patient rebuild - which culminated in success? But it wasn't achieved in one season was it?

As for the recent speculations, these players have made it clear that we are their last priority - they don't want to come here unless there is nothing else on offer. OK then. Forget them, and don't return with an offer when they fail elsewhere. We don't want these type of people who play for themselves and not the shirt.

I remember some years ago making an offer on a house. I agreed a price, and told the seller if he gazumped me I would not return. Sure enough, after paying legal and surveyor's fees he informed me he'd had a better offer, and could I match it or improve on it. I said absolutely not, and he went with the higher offer. A month later he was back to say the buyer had dropped out, and he would accept my original offer. I invited him to go jump in the lake, and he took another 18 months to sell his house - which I discovered was at a lower price than my original.


I hope the moral is obvious here.

It's unnamed potential we should be after - players that we can mould into top class performers. Then we will realise the dream - believe me!
Agree with your fundamental principle, ego, and we should move on if players are greedy however all this is media speculation and should be treated as such.

As for Saints and Europe - We have ambiton, not expectation.

STID
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: I am not at all confused by the speculation. I posted my views on a thread a few days ago, and I will repeat it again. We are not ready for a bash at Europe yet. We only marginally escaped relegation last season - that we did is to our credit nevertheless. There is no reason not to target Europe as a set target over the next 3-4 years. You can't bring in so called name players and expect to make the grade in one go. It doesn't work that way. Anyone remember Lawrie Mac's patient rebuild - which culminated in success? But it wasn't achieved in one season was it? As for the recent speculations, these players have made it clear that we are their last priority - they don't want to come here unless there is nothing else on offer. OK then. Forget them, and don't return with an offer when they fail elsewhere. We don't want these type of people who play for themselves and not the shirt. I remember some years ago making an offer on a house. I agreed a price, and told the seller if he gazumped me I would not return. Sure enough, after paying legal and surveyor's fees he informed me he'd had a better offer, and could I match it or improve on it. I said absolutely not, and he went with the higher offer. A month later he was back to say the buyer had dropped out, and he would accept my original offer. I invited him to go jump in the lake, and he took another 18 months to sell his house - which I discovered was at a lower price than my original. I hope the moral is obvious here. It's unnamed potential we should be after - players that we can mould into top class performers. Then we will realise the dream - believe me![/p][/quote]Agree with your fundamental principle, ego, and we should move on if players are greedy however all this is media speculation and should be treated as such. As for Saints and Europe - We have ambiton, not expectation. STID st1halo
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12:33pm Mon 24 Jun 13

st1halo says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome.

Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum.

I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.
I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.
agree
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome. Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum. I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.[/p][/quote]I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.[/p][/quote]agree st1halo
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12:35pm Mon 24 Jun 13

st1halo says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice.
Stoch.
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice.[/p][/quote]Stoch. st1halo
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12:44pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Readeano says...

what is bothering me loads is we ( according to the rumour site) :) are supposed to be signing Nicolas Lopez

link for him below:

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Nicol%C3%A1
s_L%C3%B3pez_(footba
ller)

However surely if we want to move up table we need to get someone who is proven goalscorer and if we dont why do we need them?

We already have, Sharp, Barnard, Mayuka, Lee, and J-rod who we have as strikers who havent been used with exception of J-rod. If we are goign to get a New Striker i would have thought we would want someone big or at least a prolific goalscorer.

Also we APPARENTLY have pretty much signed or ready to sign 2 other players on the July 1st according to managers comments. What i dont get is why not announce them like we did with Lovren which was before July 1st why wait if a contract has been agreed by both parties?
what is bothering me loads is we ( according to the rumour site) :) are supposed to be signing Nicolas Lopez link for him below: http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Nicol%C3%A1 s_L%C3%B3pez_(footba ller) However surely if we want to move up table we need to get someone who is proven goalscorer and if we dont why do we need them? We already have, Sharp, Barnard, Mayuka, Lee, and J-rod who we have as strikers who havent been used with exception of J-rod. If we are goign to get a New Striker i would have thought we would want someone big or at least a prolific goalscorer. Also we APPARENTLY have pretty much signed or ready to sign 2 other players on the July 1st according to managers comments. What i dont get is why not announce them like we did with Lovren which was before July 1st why wait if a contract has been agreed by both parties? Readeano
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12:46pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Ach I The Noo says...

Anybody would think that somebody was trying to get some season tickets sales in...........
Anybody would think that somebody was trying to get some season tickets sales in........... Ach I The Noo
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12:48pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Costa Baz says...

Egomaniac wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome.

Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum.

I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.
I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.
Thank you DisplacedFan. I appreciate your comment.
If the clique you are referring to, is the one I am thinking of, you're better off if they do ignore you.

There are plenty on here that like to wind up and pick fights or to try (yet fail miserably) to prove they are amusing, but when it comes to actually discussing football, they're either not interested or not capable.

Like Displaced Fan says, carry on posting.
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome. Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum. I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.[/p][/quote]I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.[/p][/quote]Thank you DisplacedFan. I appreciate your comment.[/p][/quote]If the clique you are referring to, is the one I am thinking of, you're better off if they do ignore you. There are plenty on here that like to wind up and pick fights or to try (yet fail miserably) to prove they are amusing, but when it comes to actually discussing football, they're either not interested or not capable. Like Displaced Fan says, carry on posting. Costa Baz
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12:55pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Egomaniac says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome.

Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum.

I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.
I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.
Thank you DisplacedFan. I appreciate your comment.
If the clique you are referring to, is the one I am thinking of, you're better off if they do ignore you.

There are plenty on here that like to wind up and pick fights or to try (yet fail miserably) to prove they are amusing, but when it comes to actually discussing football, they're either not interested or not capable.

Like Displaced Fan says, carry on posting.
Thank you Costa - you and Displaced give me encouragement.

Than you both for restoring my faith in human nature!
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome. Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum. I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.[/p][/quote]I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.[/p][/quote]Thank you DisplacedFan. I appreciate your comment.[/p][/quote]If the clique you are referring to, is the one I am thinking of, you're better off if they do ignore you. There are plenty on here that like to wind up and pick fights or to try (yet fail miserably) to prove they are amusing, but when it comes to actually discussing football, they're either not interested or not capable. Like Displaced Fan says, carry on posting.[/p][/quote]Thank you Costa - you and Displaced give me encouragement. Than you both for restoring my faith in human nature! Egomaniac
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12:59pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Mush On The Beach says...

Bargains like Michu are sadly hard to come by, but it sound like Celtic found one with the profit they are going to make in trading on Wanyama. How did Radhi Jaïdi miss that one for us?

It’s a merry-go-round with all the names thrown around for silly money in the silly season. Wage structures have to be maintained for the type of names we are being linked with.
The only time I would be happy to see us break that rules is if we went for a real marquee name to raise the profile of the club.
Citeh did it first with Robinho. It can be argued whether or not he was a success on the pitch but the quality players kept on coming to them after it.

Easier said than done I know for a club of our size but maybe Mr Cortese should be on the next flight to Russia to have quiet word in the ear of Samuel Eto'o. He may still want to give himself one last challenge before he retires, it’s not as though he needs the money.

It will never happen you say, but don’t forget Kevin Keegan.
Alright, it will never happen.
Bargains like Michu are sadly hard to come by, but it sound like Celtic found one with the profit they are going to make in trading on Wanyama. How did Radhi Jaïdi miss that one for us? It’s a merry-go-round with all the names thrown around for silly money in the silly season. Wage structures have to be maintained for the type of names we are being linked with. The only time I would be happy to see us break that rules is if we went for a real marquee name to raise the profile of the club. Citeh did it first with Robinho. It can be argued whether or not he was a success on the pitch but the quality players kept on coming to them after it. Easier said than done I know for a club of our size but maybe Mr Cortese should be on the next flight to Russia to have quiet word in the ear of Samuel Eto'o. He may still want to give himself one last challenge before he retires, it’s not as though he needs the money. It will never happen you say, but don’t forget Kevin Keegan. Alright, it will never happen. Mush On The Beach
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1:00pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice.
Stoch.
Really good shout! He's young and could leave Turkey for us. He proved himself in Holland and has a lot of international experience for his age.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice.[/p][/quote]Stoch.[/p][/quote]Really good shout! He's young and could leave Turkey for us. He proved himself in Holland and has a lot of international experience for his age. Bring back Branfoot
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1:11pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

To do what Gordon suggests would take upwards of £60 mill. Can't see it happening, but if it did nobody could question the club's ambition. Who would have envisaged this five years ago!

If we get the right faces in, in the right areas, next season could be mind blowing for those of us too young to remember finishing 2nd in 1984. A top six finish, maybe, could be achievable. A lot of ifs!
To do what Gordon suggests would take upwards of £60 mill. Can't see it happening, but if it did nobody could question the club's ambition. Who would have envisaged this five years ago! If we get the right faces in, in the right areas, next season could be mind blowing for those of us too young to remember finishing 2nd in 1984. A top six finish, maybe, could be achievable. A lot of ifs! Bring back Branfoot
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1:14pm Mon 24 Jun 13

st1halo says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice.
Stoch.
Really good shout! He's young and could leave Turkey for us. He proved himself in Holland and has a lot of international experience for his age.
Plays left and right, shoots left and right and reminds me of Bale in the way he bangs them in. Would love it if he signed for us! (said in a keegan accent)

STID
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice.[/p][/quote]Stoch.[/p][/quote]Really good shout! He's young and could leave Turkey for us. He proved himself in Holland and has a lot of international experience for his age.[/p][/quote]Plays left and right, shoots left and right and reminds me of Bale in the way he bangs them in. Would love it if he signed for us! (said in a keegan accent) STID st1halo
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1:17pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Costa Baz says...

Egomaniac wrote:
I am not at all confused by the speculation. I posted my views on a thread a few days ago, and I will repeat it again.

We are not ready for a bash at Europe yet. We only marginally escaped relegation last season - that we did is to our credit nevertheless.

There is no reason not to target Europe as a set target over the next 3-4 years. You can't bring in so called name players and expect to make the grade in one go. It doesn't work that way. Anyone remember Lawrie Mac's patient rebuild - which culminated in success? But it wasn't achieved in one season was it?

As for the recent speculations, these players have made it clear that we are their last priority - they don't want to come here unless there is nothing else on offer. OK then. Forget them, and don't return with an offer when they fail elsewhere. We don't want these type of people who play for themselves and not the shirt.

I remember some years ago making an offer on a house. I agreed a price, and told the seller if he gazumped me I would not return. Sure enough, after paying legal and surveyor's fees he informed me he'd had a better offer, and could I match it or improve on it. I said absolutely not, and he went with the higher offer. A month later he was back to say the buyer had dropped out, and he would accept my original offer. I invited him to go jump in the lake, and he took another 18 months to sell his house - which I discovered was at a lower price than my original.

I hope the moral is obvious here.

It's unnamed potential we should be after - players that we can mould into top class performers. Then we will realise the dream - believe me!
Your point about Lawrie McMenemy and the time he was given to build a successful team, is now, with a few exceptions, an alien concept.

Ferguson, too, was given time to work his magic at Old Trafford, but would his bosses have been as supportive in the modern era, had he gone 3 or 4 years without delivering a trophy, as happened when he first joined them?

I think the biggest worry, for the club, is what will happen if we DON'T make Europe this season?

Will players, such as Schneiderlin, Cork, Clyne and Shaw (who has still to sign his first "proper" contract), remain loyal to the club, if we fail to finish in a European place?

These were the best players in our team, last season, and finishing high enough to keep them, is why I believe we are targeting such high profile players.

If the club doesn't show ambition, it may undo all the hard work that has gone into securing our better players on long contracts.

When you look at how many players we have been (allegedly) linked with, there seems to have been a scattergun approach, with players "confirming" our interest, but then using it for their own purpose.

This could also be a ploy by the club, testing a few players resolve, in the hope they may land a "good'un", whilst not really expecting it to happen.

It's certainly making for an interesting close season.
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: I am not at all confused by the speculation. I posted my views on a thread a few days ago, and I will repeat it again. We are not ready for a bash at Europe yet. We only marginally escaped relegation last season - that we did is to our credit nevertheless. There is no reason not to target Europe as a set target over the next 3-4 years. You can't bring in so called name players and expect to make the grade in one go. It doesn't work that way. Anyone remember Lawrie Mac's patient rebuild - which culminated in success? But it wasn't achieved in one season was it? As for the recent speculations, these players have made it clear that we are their last priority - they don't want to come here unless there is nothing else on offer. OK then. Forget them, and don't return with an offer when they fail elsewhere. We don't want these type of people who play for themselves and not the shirt. I remember some years ago making an offer on a house. I agreed a price, and told the seller if he gazumped me I would not return. Sure enough, after paying legal and surveyor's fees he informed me he'd had a better offer, and could I match it or improve on it. I said absolutely not, and he went with the higher offer. A month later he was back to say the buyer had dropped out, and he would accept my original offer. I invited him to go jump in the lake, and he took another 18 months to sell his house - which I discovered was at a lower price than my original. I hope the moral is obvious here. It's unnamed potential we should be after - players that we can mould into top class performers. Then we will realise the dream - believe me![/p][/quote]Your point about Lawrie McMenemy and the time he was given to build a successful team, is now, with a few exceptions, an alien concept. Ferguson, too, was given time to work his magic at Old Trafford, but would his bosses have been as supportive in the modern era, had he gone 3 or 4 years without delivering a trophy, as happened when he first joined them? I think the biggest worry, for the club, is what will happen if we DON'T make Europe this season? Will players, such as Schneiderlin, Cork, Clyne and Shaw (who has still to sign his first "proper" contract), remain loyal to the club, if we fail to finish in a European place? These were the best players in our team, last season, and finishing high enough to keep them, is why I believe we are targeting such high profile players. If the club doesn't show ambition, it may undo all the hard work that has gone into securing our better players on long contracts. When you look at how many players we have been (allegedly) linked with, there seems to have been a scattergun approach, with players "confirming" our interest, but then using it for their own purpose. This could also be a ploy by the club, testing a few players resolve, in the hope they may land a "good'un", whilst not really expecting it to happen. It's certainly making for an interesting close season. Costa Baz
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1:18pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Readeano says...

st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice.
Stoch.
Really good shout! He's young and could leave Turkey for us. He proved himself in Holland and has a lot of international experience for his age.
Plays left and right, shoots left and right and reminds me of Bale in the way he bangs them in. Would love it if he signed for us! (said in a keegan accent)

STID
Stoch is a quality player and i reported info about him about a week ago, his Youtube is very impressive but obviously his best bits.

He really does have a Bale like trait with goals but that distance at a fantastic quality.

Something i feel we need at time to help us get the point or 3 points like spurs did all last season
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice.[/p][/quote]Stoch.[/p][/quote]Really good shout! He's young and could leave Turkey for us. He proved himself in Holland and has a lot of international experience for his age.[/p][/quote]Plays left and right, shoots left and right and reminds me of Bale in the way he bangs them in. Would love it if he signed for us! (said in a keegan accent) STID[/p][/quote]Stoch is a quality player and i reported info about him about a week ago, his Youtube is very impressive but obviously his best bits. He really does have a Bale like trait with goals but that distance at a fantastic quality. Something i feel we need at time to help us get the point or 3 points like spurs did all last season Readeano
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1:22pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice.
Stoch.
Really good shout! He's young and could leave Turkey for us. He proved himself in Holland and has a lot of international experience for his age.
Plays left and right, shoots left and right and reminds me of Bale in the way he bangs them in. Would love it if he signed for us! (said in a keegan accent)

STID
What do you reckon it would take to get him? £15 - 20 mill?
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice.[/p][/quote]Stoch.[/p][/quote]Really good shout! He's young and could leave Turkey for us. He proved himself in Holland and has a lot of international experience for his age.[/p][/quote]Plays left and right, shoots left and right and reminds me of Bale in the way he bangs them in. Would love it if he signed for us! (said in a keegan accent) STID[/p][/quote]What do you reckon it would take to get him? £15 - 20 mill? Bring back Branfoot
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1:26pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Readeano says...

There were rumours it was to be around £8M
There were rumours it was to be around £8M Readeano
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1:28pm Mon 24 Jun 13

st1halo says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice.
Stoch.
Really good shout! He's young and could leave Turkey for us. He proved himself in Holland and has a lot of international experience for his age.
Plays left and right, shoots left and right and reminds me of Bale in the way he bangs them in. Would love it if he signed for us! (said in a keegan accent)

STID
What do you reckon it would take to get him? £15 - 20 mill?
Who knows BbB, seems that clubs just make up a number these days! If it were me, I'd reckon between 12 and 15. The PL has a way of finding players out so a true value is hard to pinpoint. Like the look of Miroslav though!

STID
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice.[/p][/quote]Stoch.[/p][/quote]Really good shout! He's young and could leave Turkey for us. He proved himself in Holland and has a lot of international experience for his age.[/p][/quote]Plays left and right, shoots left and right and reminds me of Bale in the way he bangs them in. Would love it if he signed for us! (said in a keegan accent) STID[/p][/quote]What do you reckon it would take to get him? £15 - 20 mill?[/p][/quote]Who knows BbB, seems that clubs just make up a number these days! If it were me, I'd reckon between 12 and 15. The PL has a way of finding players out so a true value is hard to pinpoint. Like the look of Miroslav though! STID st1halo
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1:32pm Mon 24 Jun 13

st1halo says...

Readeano wrote:
There were rumours it was to be around £8M
Sounds good to me :-)
[quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: There were rumours it was to be around £8M[/p][/quote]Sounds good to me :-) st1halo
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1:32pm Mon 24 Jun 13

right back in the bar says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome.

Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum.

I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.
I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.
Thank you DisplacedFan. I appreciate your comment.
If the clique you are referring to, is the one I am thinking of, you're better off if they do ignore you.

There are plenty on here that like to wind up and pick fights or to try (yet fail miserably) to prove they are amusing, but when it comes to actually discussing football, they're either not interested or not capable.

Like Displaced Fan says, carry on posting.
I second that and I did read your post ego and made a lot of sense. part of the fun for me in watching Saints these last few years was in seeing the same core of 5-6 players who were playing against the likes of Wycombe Wanderers a few years ago line up against the best in the prem. These players have shown they can cut it in the prem and I believe they feel a strong sense of loyalty to the club (except Punch maybe). I for one don't want to see them discarded for a bunch of mercenaries who couldn't give a **** for the shirt. And yet it would appear man on here want to do away with most of them. AL takes a lot of stick and yet he is Saints through and through.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome. Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum. I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.[/p][/quote]I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.[/p][/quote]Thank you DisplacedFan. I appreciate your comment.[/p][/quote]If the clique you are referring to, is the one I am thinking of, you're better off if they do ignore you. There are plenty on here that like to wind up and pick fights or to try (yet fail miserably) to prove they are amusing, but when it comes to actually discussing football, they're either not interested or not capable. Like Displaced Fan says, carry on posting.[/p][/quote]I second that and I did read your post ego and made a lot of sense. part of the fun for me in watching Saints these last few years was in seeing the same core of 5-6 players who were playing against the likes of Wycombe Wanderers a few years ago line up against the best in the prem. These players have shown they can cut it in the prem and I believe they feel a strong sense of loyalty to the club (except Punch maybe). I for one don't want to see them discarded for a bunch of mercenaries who couldn't give a **** for the shirt. And yet it would appear man on here want to do away with most of them. AL takes a lot of stick and yet he is Saints through and through. right back in the bar
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1:33pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Egomaniac says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
I am not at all confused by the speculation. I posted my views on a thread a few days ago, and I will repeat it again.

We are not ready for a bash at Europe yet. We only marginally escaped relegation last season - that we did is to our credit nevertheless.

There is no reason not to target Europe as a set target over the next 3-4 years. You can't bring in so called name players and expect to make the grade in one go. It doesn't work that way. Anyone remember Lawrie Mac's patient rebuild - which culminated in success? But it wasn't achieved in one season was it?

As for the recent speculations, these players have made it clear that we are their last priority - they don't want to come here unless there is nothing else on offer. OK then. Forget them, and don't return with an offer when they fail elsewhere. We don't want these type of people who play for themselves and not the shirt.

I remember some years ago making an offer on a house. I agreed a price, and told the seller if he gazumped me I would not return. Sure enough, after paying legal and surveyor's fees he informed me he'd had a better offer, and could I match it or improve on it. I said absolutely not, and he went with the higher offer. A month later he was back to say the buyer had dropped out, and he would accept my original offer. I invited him to go jump in the lake, and he took another 18 months to sell his house - which I discovered was at a lower price than my original.

I hope the moral is obvious here.

It's unnamed potential we should be after - players that we can mould into top class performers. Then we will realise the dream - believe me!
Your point about Lawrie McMenemy and the time he was given to build a successful team, is now, with a few exceptions, an alien concept.

Ferguson, too, was given time to work his magic at Old Trafford, but would his bosses have been as supportive in the modern era, had he gone 3 or 4 years without delivering a trophy, as happened when he first joined them?

I think the biggest worry, for the club, is what will happen if we DON'T make Europe this season?

Will players, such as Schneiderlin, Cork, Clyne and Shaw (who has still to sign his first "proper" contract), remain loyal to the club, if we fail to finish in a European place?

These were the best players in our team, last season, and finishing high enough to keep them, is why I believe we are targeting such high profile players.

If the club doesn't show ambition, it may undo all the hard work that has gone into securing our better players on long contracts.

When you look at how many players we have been (allegedly) linked with, there seems to have been a scattergun approach, with players "confirming" our interest, but then using it for their own purpose.

This could also be a ploy by the club, testing a few players resolve, in the hope they may land a "good'un", whilst not really expecting it to happen.

It's certainly making for an interesting close season.
It certainly is!

I understand your point of view, and today's pressures are certainly a big factor in achieving success.

However, I still do not believe you can do it overnight. Much as i would like to be in the Eurozone come next May, I simply do not think it is a realistic target.

Why are these so called prima donnas making us their last resort? I don't think NC will be held to ransom over salaries, and quite right too. I would much rather seek out potentially good players and let the coaching staff take it from there. It may well take a couple of seasons, but the promised land will be much more achievable.

We must keep faith I guess.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: I am not at all confused by the speculation. I posted my views on a thread a few days ago, and I will repeat it again. We are not ready for a bash at Europe yet. We only marginally escaped relegation last season - that we did is to our credit nevertheless. There is no reason not to target Europe as a set target over the next 3-4 years. You can't bring in so called name players and expect to make the grade in one go. It doesn't work that way. Anyone remember Lawrie Mac's patient rebuild - which culminated in success? But it wasn't achieved in one season was it? As for the recent speculations, these players have made it clear that we are their last priority - they don't want to come here unless there is nothing else on offer. OK then. Forget them, and don't return with an offer when they fail elsewhere. We don't want these type of people who play for themselves and not the shirt. I remember some years ago making an offer on a house. I agreed a price, and told the seller if he gazumped me I would not return. Sure enough, after paying legal and surveyor's fees he informed me he'd had a better offer, and could I match it or improve on it. I said absolutely not, and he went with the higher offer. A month later he was back to say the buyer had dropped out, and he would accept my original offer. I invited him to go jump in the lake, and he took another 18 months to sell his house - which I discovered was at a lower price than my original. I hope the moral is obvious here. It's unnamed potential we should be after - players that we can mould into top class performers. Then we will realise the dream - believe me![/p][/quote]Your point about Lawrie McMenemy and the time he was given to build a successful team, is now, with a few exceptions, an alien concept. Ferguson, too, was given time to work his magic at Old Trafford, but would his bosses have been as supportive in the modern era, had he gone 3 or 4 years without delivering a trophy, as happened when he first joined them? I think the biggest worry, for the club, is what will happen if we DON'T make Europe this season? Will players, such as Schneiderlin, Cork, Clyne and Shaw (who has still to sign his first "proper" contract), remain loyal to the club, if we fail to finish in a European place? These were the best players in our team, last season, and finishing high enough to keep them, is why I believe we are targeting such high profile players. If the club doesn't show ambition, it may undo all the hard work that has gone into securing our better players on long contracts. When you look at how many players we have been (allegedly) linked with, there seems to have been a scattergun approach, with players "confirming" our interest, but then using it for their own purpose. This could also be a ploy by the club, testing a few players resolve, in the hope they may land a "good'un", whilst not really expecting it to happen. It's certainly making for an interesting close season.[/p][/quote]It certainly is! I understand your point of view, and today's pressures are certainly a big factor in achieving success. However, I still do not believe you can do it overnight. Much as i would like to be in the Eurozone come next May, I simply do not think it is a realistic target. Why are these so called prima donnas making us their last resort? I don't think NC will be held to ransom over salaries, and quite right too. I would much rather seek out potentially good players and let the coaching staff take it from there. It may well take a couple of seasons, but the promised land will be much more achievable. We must keep faith I guess. Egomaniac
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1:35pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

Readeano wrote:
There were rumours it was to be around £8M
If we could get him for that we should bite their hand off. Players playing in countries like Turkey and Greece can be got on the cheap.

Everton got Mirallas from Greece for £6 mill!
[quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: There were rumours it was to be around £8M[/p][/quote]If we could get him for that we should bite their hand off. Players playing in countries like Turkey and Greece can be got on the cheap. Everton got Mirallas from Greece for £6 mill! Bring back Branfoot
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1:39pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice.
Stoch.
Really good shout! He's young and could leave Turkey for us. He proved himself in Holland and has a lot of international experience for his age.
Plays left and right, shoots left and right and reminds me of Bale in the way he bangs them in. Would love it if he signed for us! (said in a keegan accent)

STID
What do you reckon it would take to get him? £15 - 20 mill?
Who knows BbB, seems that clubs just make up a number these days! If it were me, I'd reckon between 12 and 15. The PL has a way of finding players out so a true value is hard to pinpoint. Like the look of Miroslav though!

STID
For his age £15 mill would be high but not crazy money considering his talent. If Readeano is right and £8 mill is the asking price we should get him. Players signing for teams in the weaker championships mostly have buy out clauses put in their contracts. £8 mill could be the trigger figure. Sounds about right for a Turkish club.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: Spot on Gordon Watson! The defense should still be the focus as far as strengthening is concerned. Cover for Clyne, a left back so we can get rid of fox and another centre back. Then a forward to take some of the burden off Rickie's shoulders. A winger that can play on both sides would be nice.[/p][/quote]Stoch.[/p][/quote]Really good shout! He's young and could leave Turkey for us. He proved himself in Holland and has a lot of international experience for his age.[/p][/quote]Plays left and right, shoots left and right and reminds me of Bale in the way he bangs them in. Would love it if he signed for us! (said in a keegan accent) STID[/p][/quote]What do you reckon it would take to get him? £15 - 20 mill?[/p][/quote]Who knows BbB, seems that clubs just make up a number these days! If it were me, I'd reckon between 12 and 15. The PL has a way of finding players out so a true value is hard to pinpoint. Like the look of Miroslav though! STID[/p][/quote]For his age £15 mill would be high but not crazy money considering his talent. If Readeano is right and £8 mill is the asking price we should get him. Players signing for teams in the weaker championships mostly have buy out clauses put in their contracts. £8 mill could be the trigger figure. Sounds about right for a Turkish club. Bring back Branfoot
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1:47pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Readeano says...

A fquick qoute to back up my Statement:

1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23.

Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without

Hope this helps
A fquick qoute to back up my Statement: 1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23. Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without Hope this helps Readeano
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2:01pm Mon 24 Jun 13

st1halo says...

Readeano wrote:
A fquick qoute to back up my Statement:

1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23.

Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without

Hope this helps
Let's hope they do the deal. He's the right age, good experience, talented prospect and as BbB says good value. Prefer this to the Wanyama deal, he is much coveted but apart from a few CL games hasn't really had to prove himself too much with a fairly hefty pricetag.

STID
[quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: A fquick qoute to back up my Statement: 1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23. Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without Hope this helps[/p][/quote]Let's hope they do the deal. He's the right age, good experience, talented prospect and as BbB says good value. Prefer this to the Wanyama deal, he is much coveted but apart from a few CL games hasn't really had to prove himself too much with a fairly hefty pricetag. STID st1halo
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2:01pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Golden_Salamander says...

I thought Watson was in that "Anti-Saints" mob.
.
I also heard he was employed by Arsenal a couple of years to "assist" with the transfer of AOC to Arsenal.
.
I wonder who he is working for this time ?, perhaps he has been employed by Villa to find some mugs to buy Bent, or perhaps he is still working for Arsenal in that they want to "muscle in" on some of OUR transfer targets and he is trying to put them off coming to us by linking us to Bent.
I thought Watson was in that "Anti-Saints" mob. . I also heard he was employed by Arsenal a couple of years to "assist" with the transfer of AOC to Arsenal. . I wonder who he is working for this time ?, perhaps he has been employed by Villa to find some mugs to buy Bent, or perhaps he is still working for Arsenal in that they want to "muscle in" on some of OUR transfer targets and he is trying to put them off coming to us by linking us to Bent. Golden_Salamander
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2:03pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Readeano says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
I thought Watson was in that "Anti-Saints" mob.
.
I also heard he was employed by Arsenal a couple of years to "assist" with the transfer of AOC to Arsenal.
.
I wonder who he is working for this time ?, perhaps he has been employed by Villa to find some mugs to buy Bent, or perhaps he is still working for Arsenal in that they want to "muscle in" on some of OUR transfer targets and he is trying to put them off coming to us by linking us to Bent.
Daily Echo please construct a "Like" button i would like this straight away. A gent who agree's with me on Bent :)
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: I thought Watson was in that "Anti-Saints" mob. . I also heard he was employed by Arsenal a couple of years to "assist" with the transfer of AOC to Arsenal. . I wonder who he is working for this time ?, perhaps he has been employed by Villa to find some mugs to buy Bent, or perhaps he is still working for Arsenal in that they want to "muscle in" on some of OUR transfer targets and he is trying to put them off coming to us by linking us to Bent.[/p][/quote]Daily Echo please construct a "Like" button i would like this straight away. A gent who agree's with me on Bent :) Readeano
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2:41pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

Second season in the Prem.

Once more the FIRST target is to get safe.

Once we are safe we can look at pushing on up the league. For me personally, Europe qualification next season is too soon. We are not established in the Premier League just yet.

Any players signed must understand that Europe is the goal, but that it cannot and must not happen before we can cope with all the things that happen around playing in Europe.
We also need to be able to cope with getting knocked out of Europe.

I have no doubt it will happen - I just happen to think that next season will be too soon for us.
Second season in the Prem. Once more the FIRST target is to get safe. Once we are safe we can look at pushing on up the league. For me personally, Europe qualification next season is too soon. We are not established in the Premier League just yet. Any players signed must understand that Europe is the goal, but that it cannot and must not happen before we can cope with all the things that happen around playing in Europe. We also need to be able to cope with getting knocked out of Europe. I have no doubt it will happen - I just happen to think that next season will be too soon for us. Stroppy_gramps
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2:42pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Blackwaterblue says...

Easy to spend someone else's money isn't it. Has he learned nothing from Pompey!
Easy to spend someone else's money isn't it. Has he learned nothing from Pompey! Blackwaterblue
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2:46pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Cheapshot says...

https://twitter.com/
OfficialRadja/status
/349121289933434880

Just shows you can't believe everything you read. Like someone said on here, Chinese whispers and miss understandings.
Would love to see him in a Saints shirt!!
https://twitter.com/ OfficialRadja/status /349121289933434880 Just shows you can't believe everything you read. Like someone said on here, Chinese whispers and miss understandings. Would love to see him in a Saints shirt!! Cheapshot
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2:55pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Rising_Son says...

Readeano wrote:
A fquick qoute to back up my Statement:

1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23.

Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without

Hope this helps
£5m or £8m! For gawd's sake, that doesn't show ambition. No one else would even want to come here if that's all we're willing to spend.

To show ambition, surely we'd need to pay at least double what he's worth?
[quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: A fquick qoute to back up my Statement: 1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23. Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without Hope this helps[/p][/quote]£5m or £8m! For gawd's sake, that doesn't show ambition. No one else would even want to come here if that's all we're willing to spend. To show ambition, surely we'd need to pay at least double what he's worth? Rising_Son
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3:02pm Mon 24 Jun 13

BracknellSaint says...

Costa Baz wrote:
I don't think anyone should be in the slightest surprised, if we fail to sign any of the "big" players we have targeted.

If Nainggolan's comments are to be believed, we ARE offering an adequate enough financial incentive, but for players with true ambition, this may not be enough.

For the best players, it is about proving themselves at the highest level, and until Saints can offer European competition as an incentive for players to sign, we will always struggle to sign this level of player.

We did well to get Lovren in, given that his team had qualified for the early stages of the Champions League.

But us chasing the very best players, although commendable and ambitious, is like the nerdy new boy at school, asking the best looking girl out on a date.

It ain't going to happen, and if it did, you'd be asking "What's the catch?"

As I've suggested before, the players we will have a greater chance of signing, are those that cannot get regular football, at their current club, because they are being kept out by the very best players, such as Osvaldo, Nainggolan, Ronaldo, Lewandowski, Messi etc.

Michu couldn't get regular football at Real Madrid, but was a revelation at Swansea.
This is the type of player we need to be identifying, and signing. Players that have the fire in their bellies to prove their ex clubs wrong.

With regards to previously being linked with Miroslav Stoch, anyone else noticed how quiet this rumour has become? The same thing happened with Lovren, then the next time he was mentioned, it was as a Saints player.

Regarding Wanyama, the fact that he is being cited as wanting to hear what Cardiff has to offer, puts him (IMO) firmly in the mercenary bracket.

Cardiff have less to offer, in terms of Premier League stability, than we do, so choosing them would (again IMO) be a decision based on financial gain.
It's been said elsewehere here, but Michu was one in a thousand to be fair.
Sorry to be a nerd too, but is that the same Michu though who has never actually been on Real Madrid's books? That would indeed make it difficult for him to have been getting regular footy..
His career is :

Years
Team Apps† (Gls)†

2003–2007
Oviedo 100 (13)

2007–2008
Celta B 28 (10)

2008–2011
Celta 101 (14)

2011–2012
Rayo Vallecano 37 (15)

2012–
Swansea City 35 (18)

So, been a regular and scoring everywhere he' been. But not a big club...
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: I don't think anyone should be in the slightest surprised, if we fail to sign any of the "big" players we have targeted. If Nainggolan's comments are to be believed, we ARE offering an adequate enough financial incentive, but for players with true ambition, this may not be enough. For the best players, it is about proving themselves at the highest level, and until Saints can offer European competition as an incentive for players to sign, we will always struggle to sign this level of player. We did well to get Lovren in, given that his team had qualified for the early stages of the Champions League. But us chasing the very best players, although commendable and ambitious, is like the nerdy new boy at school, asking the best looking girl out on a date. It ain't going to happen, and if it did, you'd be asking "What's the catch?" As I've suggested before, the players we will have a greater chance of signing, are those that cannot get regular football, at their current club, because they are being kept out by the very best players, such as Osvaldo, Nainggolan, Ronaldo, Lewandowski, Messi etc. Michu couldn't get regular football at Real Madrid, but was a revelation at Swansea. This is the type of player we need to be identifying, and signing. Players that have the fire in their bellies to prove their ex clubs wrong. With regards to previously being linked with Miroslav Stoch, anyone else noticed how quiet this rumour has become? The same thing happened with Lovren, then the next time he was mentioned, it was as a Saints player. Regarding Wanyama, the fact that he is being cited as wanting to hear what Cardiff has to offer, puts him (IMO) firmly in the mercenary bracket. Cardiff have less to offer, in terms of Premier League stability, than we do, so choosing them would (again IMO) be a decision based on financial gain.[/p][/quote]It's been said elsewehere here, but Michu was one in a thousand to be fair. Sorry to be a nerd too, but is that the same Michu though who has never actually been on Real Madrid's books? That would indeed make it difficult for him to have been getting regular footy.. His career is : Years Team Apps† (Gls)† 2003–2007 Oviedo 100 (13) 2007–2008 Celta B 28 (10) 2008–2011 Celta 101 (14) 2011–2012 Rayo Vallecano 37 (15) 2012– Swansea City 35 (18) So, been a regular and scoring everywhere he' been. But not a big club... BracknellSaint
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3:03pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Readeano says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Readeano wrote:
A fquick qoute to back up my Statement:

1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23.

Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without

Hope this helps
£5m or £8m! For gawd's sake, that doesn't show ambition. No one else would even want to come here if that's all we're willing to spend.

To show ambition, surely we'd need to pay at least double what he's worth?
Alright carm down as i said above.....


£5m + Fonte for him but rumours that ive heard recently state £8m....

Im only relaying what ive seen in articles in Media and Twitter

Hope this helps
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: A fquick qoute to back up my Statement: 1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23. Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without Hope this helps[/p][/quote]£5m or £8m! For gawd's sake, that doesn't show ambition. No one else would even want to come here if that's all we're willing to spend. To show ambition, surely we'd need to pay at least double what he's worth?[/p][/quote]Alright carm down as i said above..... £5m + Fonte for him but rumours that ive heard recently state £8m.... Im only relaying what ive seen in articles in Media and Twitter Hope this helps Readeano
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3:05pm Mon 24 Jun 13

BracknellSaint says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
Second season in the Prem.

Once more the FIRST target is to get safe.

Once we are safe we can look at pushing on up the league. For me personally, Europe qualification next season is too soon. We are not established in the Premier League just yet.

Any players signed must understand that Europe is the goal, but that it cannot and must not happen before we can cope with all the things that happen around playing in Europe.
We also need to be able to cope with getting knocked out of Europe.

I have no doubt it will happen - I just happen to think that next season will be too soon for us.
Absolutely agree.
We finished 14th last year, so we should be aiming above that, and see where we can go.
But we must secure safety first and foremost-that's the biggest goal for everyone outside the top 5 or 6 clubs.
Personally, would love a top ten finish, but would settle now for 11th/12th, safe well before the end, bloody the noses of some of the big boys again, and maybe a worthwhile cup run too.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: Second season in the Prem. Once more the FIRST target is to get safe. Once we are safe we can look at pushing on up the league. For me personally, Europe qualification next season is too soon. We are not established in the Premier League just yet. Any players signed must understand that Europe is the goal, but that it cannot and must not happen before we can cope with all the things that happen around playing in Europe. We also need to be able to cope with getting knocked out of Europe. I have no doubt it will happen - I just happen to think that next season will be too soon for us.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. We finished 14th last year, so we should be aiming above that, and see where we can go. But we must secure safety first and foremost-that's the biggest goal for everyone outside the top 5 or 6 clubs. Personally, would love a top ten finish, but would settle now for 11th/12th, safe well before the end, bloody the noses of some of the big boys again, and maybe a worthwhile cup run too. BracknellSaint
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3:08pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Rising_Son says...

Readeano wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Readeano wrote:
A fquick qoute to back up my Statement:

1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23.

Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without

Hope this helps
£5m or £8m! For gawd's sake, that doesn't show ambition. No one else would even want to come here if that's all we're willing to spend.

To show ambition, surely we'd need to pay at least double what he's worth?
Alright carm down as i said above.....


£5m + Fonte for him but rumours that ive heard recently state £8m....

Im only relaying what ive seen in articles in Media and Twitter

Hope this helps
I was being ironic. Just got a bit fed up with "must show ambition" brigade.
[quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: A fquick qoute to back up my Statement: 1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23. Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without Hope this helps[/p][/quote]£5m or £8m! For gawd's sake, that doesn't show ambition. No one else would even want to come here if that's all we're willing to spend. To show ambition, surely we'd need to pay at least double what he's worth?[/p][/quote]Alright carm down as i said above..... £5m + Fonte for him but rumours that ive heard recently state £8m.... Im only relaying what ive seen in articles in Media and Twitter Hope this helps[/p][/quote]I was being ironic. Just got a bit fed up with "must show ambition" brigade. Rising_Son
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3:22pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Readeano says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Readeano wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Readeano wrote:
A fquick qoute to back up my Statement:

1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23.

Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without

Hope this helps
£5m or £8m! For gawd's sake, that doesn't show ambition. No one else would even want to come here if that's all we're willing to spend.

To show ambition, surely we'd need to pay at least double what he's worth?
Alright carm down as i said above.....


£5m + Fonte for him but rumours that ive heard recently state £8m....

Im only relaying what ive seen in articles in Media and Twitter

Hope this helps
I was being ironic. Just got a bit fed up with "must show ambition" brigade.
Apologies' thought it was rudeness my mistake.

I agree with you in some ways however without trying to be stupid here but it wasn't that long ago that it would be lucky to put in a £5m or 8m bid for someone.

I know things have changed but 17m for osvaldo? is there not a striker in the EPL who we know for that Price i know it wouldn't happen and not suggesting it but isn't Tevez around that Figure?

Just trying to give an example of a Proven Striker, who people know, for roughly the same price.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: A fquick qoute to back up my Statement: 1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23. Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without Hope this helps[/p][/quote]£5m or £8m! For gawd's sake, that doesn't show ambition. No one else would even want to come here if that's all we're willing to spend. To show ambition, surely we'd need to pay at least double what he's worth?[/p][/quote]Alright carm down as i said above..... £5m + Fonte for him but rumours that ive heard recently state £8m.... Im only relaying what ive seen in articles in Media and Twitter Hope this helps[/p][/quote]I was being ironic. Just got a bit fed up with "must show ambition" brigade.[/p][/quote]Apologies' thought it was rudeness my mistake. I agree with you in some ways however without trying to be stupid here but it wasn't that long ago that it would be lucky to put in a £5m or 8m bid for someone. I know things have changed but 17m for osvaldo? is there not a striker in the EPL who we know for that Price i know it wouldn't happen and not suggesting it but isn't Tevez around that Figure? Just trying to give an example of a Proven Striker, who people know, for roughly the same price. Readeano
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3:35pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Rising_Son says...

Readeano wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Readeano wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Readeano wrote:
A fquick qoute to back up my Statement:

1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23.

Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without

Hope this helps
£5m or £8m! For gawd's sake, that doesn't show ambition. No one else would even want to come here if that's all we're willing to spend.

To show ambition, surely we'd need to pay at least double what he's worth?
Alright carm down as i said above.....


£5m + Fonte for him but rumours that ive heard recently state £8m....

Im only relaying what ive seen in articles in Media and Twitter

Hope this helps
I was being ironic. Just got a bit fed up with "must show ambition" brigade.
Apologies' thought it was rudeness my mistake.

I agree with you in some ways however without trying to be stupid here but it wasn't that long ago that it would be lucky to put in a £5m or 8m bid for someone.

I know things have changed but 17m for osvaldo? is there not a striker in the EPL who we know for that Price i know it wouldn't happen and not suggesting it but isn't Tevez around that Figure?

Just trying to give an example of a Proven Striker, who people know, for roughly the same price.
My point is that we should sign players, not because we want to show ambition to other players and the media, but because they are the players we need.

To be honest, I know almost nothing about Wanyama, Nainngolan and Osvaldo. I have no idea how good they are or how much they are worth, so I'm not going to comment about them.
[quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: A fquick qoute to back up my Statement: 1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23. Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without Hope this helps[/p][/quote]£5m or £8m! For gawd's sake, that doesn't show ambition. No one else would even want to come here if that's all we're willing to spend. To show ambition, surely we'd need to pay at least double what he's worth?[/p][/quote]Alright carm down as i said above..... £5m + Fonte for him but rumours that ive heard recently state £8m.... Im only relaying what ive seen in articles in Media and Twitter Hope this helps[/p][/quote]I was being ironic. Just got a bit fed up with "must show ambition" brigade.[/p][/quote]Apologies' thought it was rudeness my mistake. I agree with you in some ways however without trying to be stupid here but it wasn't that long ago that it would be lucky to put in a £5m or 8m bid for someone. I know things have changed but 17m for osvaldo? is there not a striker in the EPL who we know for that Price i know it wouldn't happen and not suggesting it but isn't Tevez around that Figure? Just trying to give an example of a Proven Striker, who people know, for roughly the same price.[/p][/quote]My point is that we should sign players, not because we want to show ambition to other players and the media, but because they are the players we need. To be honest, I know almost nothing about Wanyama, Nainngolan and Osvaldo. I have no idea how good they are or how much they are worth, so I'm not going to comment about them. Rising_Son
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3:36pm Mon 24 Jun 13

since 1885 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Readeano wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Readeano wrote:
A fquick qoute to back up my Statement:

1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23.

Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without

Hope this helps
£5m or £8m! For gawd's sake, that doesn't show ambition. No one else would even want to come here if that's all we're willing to spend.

To show ambition, surely we'd need to pay at least double what he's worth?
Alright carm down as i said above.....


£5m + Fonte for him but rumours that ive heard recently state £8m....

Im only relaying what ive seen in articles in Media and Twitter

Hope this helps
I was being ironic. Just got a bit fed up with "must show ambition" brigade.
lol.Wow that told them. You are a master at irony. ;-]
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: A fquick qoute to back up my Statement: 1) St Mary’s bosses have also met Turkish club Fenerbache over a £5m move for Slovakian Stoch, 23. Potentially cheaper with Fonte thrown in however i believe £8M without Hope this helps[/p][/quote]£5m or £8m! For gawd's sake, that doesn't show ambition. No one else would even want to come here if that's all we're willing to spend. To show ambition, surely we'd need to pay at least double what he's worth?[/p][/quote]Alright carm down as i said above..... £5m + Fonte for him but rumours that ive heard recently state £8m.... Im only relaying what ive seen in articles in Media and Twitter Hope this helps[/p][/quote]I was being ironic. Just got a bit fed up with "must show ambition" brigade.[/p][/quote]lol.Wow that told them. You are a master at irony. ;-] since 1885
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3:43pm Mon 24 Jun 13

since 1885 says...

Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?
Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City? since 1885
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3:47pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Rising_Son says...

since 1885 wrote:
Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?
Could you be specific? Who has suggested that the club is buying five more big money signings?

Your reading comprehension does seem to be quite poor.
[quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?[/p][/quote]Could you be specific? Who has suggested that the club is buying five more big money signings? Your reading comprehension does seem to be quite poor. Rising_Son
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3:56pm Mon 24 Jun 13

since 1885 says...

The title of the article you doughnut. lol.Talk about somebody mugging themselves off. Brilliant! Your reading comprehension needs some work sunshine. ;-] (Very smug grin indeed)
The title of the article you doughnut. lol.Talk about somebody mugging themselves off. Brilliant! Your reading comprehension needs some work sunshine. ;-] (Very smug grin indeed) since 1885
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3:56pm Mon 24 Jun 13

since 1885 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?
Could you be specific? Who has suggested that the club is buying five more big money signings?

Your reading comprehension does seem to be quite poor.
The title of the article you doughnut. lol.Talk about somebody mugging themselves off. Brilliant! Your reading comprehension needs some work sunshine. ;-] (Very smug grin indeed)
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?[/p][/quote]Could you be specific? Who has suggested that the club is buying five more big money signings? Your reading comprehension does seem to be quite poor.[/p][/quote]The title of the article you doughnut. lol.Talk about somebody mugging themselves off. Brilliant! Your reading comprehension needs some work sunshine. ;-] (Very smug grin indeed) since 1885
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4:08pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Rising_Son says...

since 1885 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?
Could you be specific? Who has suggested that the club is buying five more big money signings?

Your reading comprehension does seem to be quite poor.
The title of the article you doughnut. lol.Talk about somebody mugging themselves off. Brilliant! Your reading comprehension needs some work sunshine. ;-] (Very smug grin indeed)
The headline is: "Saints told to splash cash on five more top signings".

I don't see how that relates to your claim that "some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings." Perhaps you could enlighten us?
[quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?[/p][/quote]Could you be specific? Who has suggested that the club is buying five more big money signings? Your reading comprehension does seem to be quite poor.[/p][/quote]The title of the article you doughnut. lol.Talk about somebody mugging themselves off. Brilliant! Your reading comprehension needs some work sunshine. ;-] (Very smug grin indeed)[/p][/quote]The headline is: "Saints told to splash cash on five more top signings". I don't see how that relates to your claim that "some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings." Perhaps you could enlighten us? Rising_Son
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4:11pm Mon 24 Jun 13

since 1885 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?
Could you be specific? Who has suggested that the club is buying five more big money signings?

Your reading comprehension does seem to be quite poor.
The title of the article you doughnut. lol.Talk about somebody mugging themselves off. Brilliant! Your reading comprehension needs some work sunshine. ;-] (Very smug grin indeed)
The headline is: "Saints told to splash cash on five more top signings".

I don't see how that relates to your claim that "some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings." Perhaps you could enlighten us?
Lol. Gordon Watson said we need five top signings. Duh. Read the title you numpty. And there are threaders posting stuff saying we need this player and that as if we are going on a big spending spree. I'll say it again, it's head in the clouds stuff. Next time before you pick an argument get your facts straight Rising numpty. Lol. :-)
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?[/p][/quote]Could you be specific? Who has suggested that the club is buying five more big money signings? Your reading comprehension does seem to be quite poor.[/p][/quote]The title of the article you doughnut. lol.Talk about somebody mugging themselves off. Brilliant! Your reading comprehension needs some work sunshine. ;-] (Very smug grin indeed)[/p][/quote]The headline is: "Saints told to splash cash on five more top signings". I don't see how that relates to your claim that "some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings." Perhaps you could enlighten us?[/p][/quote]Lol. Gordon Watson said we need five top signings. Duh. Read the title you numpty. And there are threaders posting stuff saying we need this player and that as if we are going on a big spending spree. I'll say it again, it's head in the clouds stuff. Next time before you pick an argument get your facts straight Rising numpty. Lol. :-) since 1885
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4:13pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Poole Tom says...

since 1885 wrote:
Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?
In the past when we were interested in players we generally new who they were and what they were like, so we had a good idea whether they would fit in and improve the team, because they played in England. Nowadays the targets seem to be all plying their trade in another country so by and large we have no idea whether they are better players than those we already have. Yes its exciting when we get linked with expensive buys but the reality is that until we see them play we won`t know whether they are worth the money or not. Unfortunately Gaston is an example of just that.
[quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?[/p][/quote]In the past when we were interested in players we generally new who they were and what they were like, so we had a good idea whether they would fit in and improve the team, because they played in England. Nowadays the targets seem to be all plying their trade in another country so by and large we have no idea whether they are better players than those we already have. Yes its exciting when we get linked with expensive buys but the reality is that until we see them play we won`t know whether they are worth the money or not. Unfortunately Gaston is an example of just that. Poole Tom
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4:14pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Rising_Son says...

since 1885 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?
Could you be specific? Who has suggested that the club is buying five more big money signings?

Your reading comprehension does seem to be quite poor.
The title of the article you doughnut. lol.Talk about somebody mugging themselves off. Brilliant! Your reading comprehension needs some work sunshine. ;-] (Very smug grin indeed)
The headline is: "Saints told to splash cash on five more top signings".

I don't see how that relates to your claim that "some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings." Perhaps you could enlighten us?
Lol. Gordon Watson said we need five top signings. Duh. Read the title you numpty. And there are threaders posting stuff saying we need this player and that as if we are going on a big spending spree. I'll say it again, it's head in the clouds stuff. Next time before you pick an argument get your facts straight Rising numpty. Lol. :-)
";-] (Very smug grin indeed)"

It must make you look like the village idiot, just like what you write.
[quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?[/p][/quote]Could you be specific? Who has suggested that the club is buying five more big money signings? Your reading comprehension does seem to be quite poor.[/p][/quote]The title of the article you doughnut. lol.Talk about somebody mugging themselves off. Brilliant! Your reading comprehension needs some work sunshine. ;-] (Very smug grin indeed)[/p][/quote]The headline is: "Saints told to splash cash on five more top signings". I don't see how that relates to your claim that "some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings." Perhaps you could enlighten us?[/p][/quote]Lol. Gordon Watson said we need five top signings. Duh. Read the title you numpty. And there are threaders posting stuff saying we need this player and that as if we are going on a big spending spree. I'll say it again, it's head in the clouds stuff. Next time before you pick an argument get your facts straight Rising numpty. Lol. :-)[/p][/quote]";-] (Very smug grin indeed)" It must make you look like the village idiot, just like what you write. Rising_Son
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4:16pm Mon 24 Jun 13

since 1885 says...

Poole Tom wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?
In the past when we were interested in players we generally new who they were and what they were like, so we had a good idea whether they would fit in and improve the team, because they played in England. Nowadays the targets seem to be all plying their trade in another country so by and large we have no idea whether they are better players than those we already have. Yes its exciting when we get linked with expensive buys but the reality is that until we see them play we won`t know whether they are worth the money or not. Unfortunately Gaston is an example of just that.
A sensible comment at last. Are you watching Rising Son. And I agree Gaston was a let down last season. Got to expect more for the money we paid.
[quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?[/p][/quote]In the past when we were interested in players we generally new who they were and what they were like, so we had a good idea whether they would fit in and improve the team, because they played in England. Nowadays the targets seem to be all plying their trade in another country so by and large we have no idea whether they are better players than those we already have. Yes its exciting when we get linked with expensive buys but the reality is that until we see them play we won`t know whether they are worth the money or not. Unfortunately Gaston is an example of just that.[/p][/quote]A sensible comment at last. Are you watching Rising Son. And I agree Gaston was a let down last season. Got to expect more for the money we paid. since 1885
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4:17pm Mon 24 Jun 13

since 1885 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?
Could you be specific? Who has suggested that the club is buying five more big money signings?

Your reading comprehension does seem to be quite poor.
The title of the article you doughnut. lol.Talk about somebody mugging themselves off. Brilliant! Your reading comprehension needs some work sunshine. ;-] (Very smug grin indeed)
The headline is: "Saints told to splash cash on five more top signings".

I don't see how that relates to your claim that "some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings." Perhaps you could enlighten us?
Lol. Gordon Watson said we need five top signings. Duh. Read the title you numpty. And there are threaders posting stuff saying we need this player and that as if we are going on a big spending spree. I'll say it again, it's head in the clouds stuff. Next time before you pick an argument get your facts straight Rising numpty. Lol. :-)
";-] (Very smug grin indeed)"

It must make you look like the village idiot, just like what you write.
It's nice to be right. You can throw your toys out your pram but you mugged yourself off son. Now go away with your tail between your legs and think on. Lol. :-)
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?[/p][/quote]Could you be specific? Who has suggested that the club is buying five more big money signings? Your reading comprehension does seem to be quite poor.[/p][/quote]The title of the article you doughnut. lol.Talk about somebody mugging themselves off. Brilliant! Your reading comprehension needs some work sunshine. ;-] (Very smug grin indeed)[/p][/quote]The headline is: "Saints told to splash cash on five more top signings". I don't see how that relates to your claim that "some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings." Perhaps you could enlighten us?[/p][/quote]Lol. Gordon Watson said we need five top signings. Duh. Read the title you numpty. And there are threaders posting stuff saying we need this player and that as if we are going on a big spending spree. I'll say it again, it's head in the clouds stuff. Next time before you pick an argument get your facts straight Rising numpty. Lol. :-)[/p][/quote]";-] (Very smug grin indeed)" It must make you look like the village idiot, just like what you write.[/p][/quote]It's nice to be right. You can throw your toys out your pram but you mugged yourself off son. Now go away with your tail between your legs and think on. Lol. :-) since 1885
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4:29pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Poole Tom says...

since 1885 wrote:
Poole Tom wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?
In the past when we were interested in players we generally new who they were and what they were like, so we had a good idea whether they would fit in and improve the team, because they played in England. Nowadays the targets seem to be all plying their trade in another country so by and large we have no idea whether they are better players than those we already have. Yes its exciting when we get linked with expensive buys but the reality is that until we see them play we won`t know whether they are worth the money or not. Unfortunately Gaston is an example of just that.
A sensible comment at last. Are you watching Rising Son. And I agree Gaston was a let down last season. Got to expect more for the money we paid.
My other concern is that historically when we do spend large sums of money for one reason or another we don`t tend to get great value. I`m thinking of the likes of George,Hurst, Delgado etc.
[quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?[/p][/quote]In the past when we were interested in players we generally new who they were and what they were like, so we had a good idea whether they would fit in and improve the team, because they played in England. Nowadays the targets seem to be all plying their trade in another country so by and large we have no idea whether they are better players than those we already have. Yes its exciting when we get linked with expensive buys but the reality is that until we see them play we won`t know whether they are worth the money or not. Unfortunately Gaston is an example of just that.[/p][/quote]A sensible comment at last. Are you watching Rising Son. And I agree Gaston was a let down last season. Got to expect more for the money we paid.[/p][/quote]My other concern is that historically when we do spend large sums of money for one reason or another we don`t tend to get great value. I`m thinking of the likes of George,Hurst, Delgado etc. Poole Tom
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4:54pm Mon 24 Jun 13

saintand266 says...

Darren Bent ? How about Djibril Cisse as well oops think I may of had a few to many just like Gordon
Darren Bent ? How about Djibril Cisse as well oops think I may of had a few to many just like Gordon saintand266
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5:19pm Mon 24 Jun 13

st1halo says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
Second season in the Prem.

Once more the FIRST target is to get safe.

Once we are safe we can look at pushing on up the league. For me personally, Europe qualification next season is too soon. We are not established in the Premier League just yet.

Any players signed must understand that Europe is the goal, but that it cannot and must not happen before we can cope with all the things that happen around playing in Europe.
We also need to be able to cope with getting knocked out of Europe.

I have no doubt it will happen - I just happen to think that next season will be too soon for us.
Absolutely agree.
We finished 14th last year, so we should be aiming above that, and see where we can go.
But we must secure safety first and foremost-that's the biggest goal for everyone outside the top 5 or 6 clubs.
Personally, would love a top ten finish, but would settle now for 11th/12th, safe well before the end, bloody the noses of some of the big boys again, and maybe a worthwhile cup run too.
Yep that sounds fine to me. Reach for the stars but with both feet on the ground!

STID
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: Second season in the Prem. Once more the FIRST target is to get safe. Once we are safe we can look at pushing on up the league. For me personally, Europe qualification next season is too soon. We are not established in the Premier League just yet. Any players signed must understand that Europe is the goal, but that it cannot and must not happen before we can cope with all the things that happen around playing in Europe. We also need to be able to cope with getting knocked out of Europe. I have no doubt it will happen - I just happen to think that next season will be too soon for us.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. We finished 14th last year, so we should be aiming above that, and see where we can go. But we must secure safety first and foremost-that's the biggest goal for everyone outside the top 5 or 6 clubs. Personally, would love a top ten finish, but would settle now for 11th/12th, safe well before the end, bloody the noses of some of the big boys again, and maybe a worthwhile cup run too.[/p][/quote]Yep that sounds fine to me. Reach for the stars but with both feet on the ground! STID st1halo
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5:22pm Mon 24 Jun 13

SFCOLDBOY says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
I'm surprised he didn't mention signing a PL class goalkeeper.
Surely it is wise to invest in getting the very best possible in the last line of defence.
Nicola has taken a big risk by sacking Nigel ( back to back promotions) just as he succeeded in turning things around and appointing out of work MP, who can't speak English and whose previous club finished rock bottom.
Once MP's honeymoon period was over his results, over his last 12 games were worse than Nigel's in his last 12.
I do hope Nicola doesn't repeat the same mistakes as he did in the last close season by spending millions on players who were, at best, average and IMO no better, like for like, than the Saints players already at the club, who they were signed to replace.
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[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: I'm surprised he didn't mention signing a PL class goalkeeper. Surely it is wise to invest in getting the very best possible in the last line of defence. Nicola has taken a big risk by sacking Nigel ( back to back promotions) just as he succeeded in turning things around and appointing out of work MP, who can't speak English and whose previous club finished rock bottom. Once MP's honeymoon period was over his results, over his last 12 games were worse than Nigel's in his last 12. I do hope Nicola doesn't repeat the same mistakes as he did in the last close season by spending millions on players who were, at best, average and IMO no better, like for like, than the Saints players already at the club, who they were signed to replace.[/p][/quote]SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHsh SFCOLDBOY
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6:28pm Mon 24 Jun 13

FindAndDestroy says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome.

Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum.

I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.
I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.
well said!!!!!Absolutely right...it's about sharing
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome. Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum. I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.[/p][/quote]I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.[/p][/quote]well said!!!!!Absolutely right...it's about sharing FindAndDestroy
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6:42pm Mon 24 Jun 13

FindAndDestroy says...

Costa Baz wrote:
I don't think anyone should be in the slightest surprised, if we fail to sign any of the "big" players we have targeted.

If Nainggolan's comments are to be believed, we ARE offering an adequate enough financial incentive, but for players with true ambition, this may not be enough.

For the best players, it is about proving themselves at the highest level, and until Saints can offer European competition as an incentive for players to sign, we will always struggle to sign this level of player.

We did well to get Lovren in, given that his team had qualified for the early stages of the Champions League.

But us chasing the very best players, although commendable and ambitious, is like the nerdy new boy at school, asking the best looking girl out on a date.

It ain't going to happen, and if it did, you'd be asking "What's the catch?"

As I've suggested before, the players we will have a greater chance of signing, are those that cannot get regular football, at their current club, because they are being kept out by the very best players, such as Osvaldo, Nainggolan, Ronaldo, Lewandowski, Messi etc.

Michu couldn't get regular football at Real Madrid, but was a revelation at Swansea.
This is the type of player we need to be identifying, and signing. Players that have the fire in their bellies to prove their ex clubs wrong.

With regards to previously being linked with Miroslav Stoch, anyone else noticed how quiet this rumour has become? The same thing happened with Lovren, then the next time he was mentioned, it was as a Saints player.

Regarding Wanyama, the fact that he is being cited as wanting to hear what Cardiff has to offer, puts him (IMO) firmly in the mercenary bracket.

Cardiff have less to offer, in terms of Premier League stability, than we do, so choosing them would (again IMO) be a decision based on financial gain.
I agree!!!! there are talented players out there that aren't being used or being kept on the bunch by high quality players, just like you mentioned, these are the ones we need to search for, and they can become real hits, once they get regular football with us.
if we keep our focus on the well known quality players, the transfer window will pass us by and end up with nothing at all, or maybe put us in desperate situation..
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: I don't think anyone should be in the slightest surprised, if we fail to sign any of the "big" players we have targeted. If Nainggolan's comments are to be believed, we ARE offering an adequate enough financial incentive, but for players with true ambition, this may not be enough. For the best players, it is about proving themselves at the highest level, and until Saints can offer European competition as an incentive for players to sign, we will always struggle to sign this level of player. We did well to get Lovren in, given that his team had qualified for the early stages of the Champions League. But us chasing the very best players, although commendable and ambitious, is like the nerdy new boy at school, asking the best looking girl out on a date. It ain't going to happen, and if it did, you'd be asking "What's the catch?" As I've suggested before, the players we will have a greater chance of signing, are those that cannot get regular football, at their current club, because they are being kept out by the very best players, such as Osvaldo, Nainggolan, Ronaldo, Lewandowski, Messi etc. Michu couldn't get regular football at Real Madrid, but was a revelation at Swansea. This is the type of player we need to be identifying, and signing. Players that have the fire in their bellies to prove their ex clubs wrong. With regards to previously being linked with Miroslav Stoch, anyone else noticed how quiet this rumour has become? The same thing happened with Lovren, then the next time he was mentioned, it was as a Saints player. Regarding Wanyama, the fact that he is being cited as wanting to hear what Cardiff has to offer, puts him (IMO) firmly in the mercenary bracket. Cardiff have less to offer, in terms of Premier League stability, than we do, so choosing them would (again IMO) be a decision based on financial gain.[/p][/quote]I agree!!!! there are talented players out there that aren't being used or being kept on the bunch by high quality players, just like you mentioned, these are the ones we need to search for, and they can become real hits, once they get regular football with us. if we keep our focus on the well known quality players, the transfer window will pass us by and end up with nothing at all, or maybe put us in desperate situation.. FindAndDestroy
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6:43pm Mon 24 Jun 13

since 1885 says...

Poole Tom wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
Poole Tom wrote:
since 1885 wrote:
Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?
In the past when we were interested in players we generally new who they were and what they were like, so we had a good idea whether they would fit in and improve the team, because they played in England. Nowadays the targets seem to be all plying their trade in another country so by and large we have no idea whether they are better players than those we already have. Yes its exciting when we get linked with expensive buys but the reality is that until we see them play we won`t know whether they are worth the money or not. Unfortunately Gaston is an example of just that.
A sensible comment at last. Are you watching Rising Son. And I agree Gaston was a let down last season. Got to expect more for the money we paid.
My other concern is that historically when we do spend large sums of money for one reason or another we don`t tend to get great value. I`m thinking of the likes of George,Hurst, Delgado etc.
The Delgado debacle was one for ages. The lad Gaston has some talent but maybe he ain't cut out for the Premiership.
[quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: Like Gordon Watson some of you have your head in the clouds. The club ain't buying five more big money signings. Two at the most and probably a couple of sub £5million players. When did we become Manchester City?[/p][/quote]In the past when we were interested in players we generally new who they were and what they were like, so we had a good idea whether they would fit in and improve the team, because they played in England. Nowadays the targets seem to be all plying their trade in another country so by and large we have no idea whether they are better players than those we already have. Yes its exciting when we get linked with expensive buys but the reality is that until we see them play we won`t know whether they are worth the money or not. Unfortunately Gaston is an example of just that.[/p][/quote]A sensible comment at last. Are you watching Rising Son. And I agree Gaston was a let down last season. Got to expect more for the money we paid.[/p][/quote]My other concern is that historically when we do spend large sums of money for one reason or another we don`t tend to get great value. I`m thinking of the likes of George,Hurst, Delgado etc.[/p][/quote]The Delgado debacle was one for ages. The lad Gaston has some talent but maybe he ain't cut out for the Premiership. since 1885
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6:58pm Mon 24 Jun 13

FindAndDestroy says...

st1halo wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
I am not at all confused by the speculation. I posted my views on a thread a few days ago, and I will repeat it again.

We are not ready for a bash at Europe yet. We only marginally escaped relegation last season - that we did is to our credit nevertheless.

There is no reason not to target Europe as a set target over the next 3-4 years. You can't bring in so called name players and expect to make the grade in one go. It doesn't work that way. Anyone remember Lawrie Mac's patient rebuild - which culminated in success? But it wasn't achieved in one season was it?

As for the recent speculations, these players have made it clear that we are their last priority - they don't want to come here unless there is nothing else on offer. OK then. Forget them, and don't return with an offer when they fail elsewhere. We don't want these type of people who play for themselves and not the shirt.

I remember some years ago making an offer on a house. I agreed a price, and told the seller if he gazumped me I would not return. Sure enough, after paying legal and surveyor's fees he informed me he'd had a better offer, and could I match it or improve on it. I said absolutely not, and he went with the higher offer. A month later he was back to say the buyer had dropped out, and he would accept my original offer. I invited him to go jump in the lake, and he took another 18 months to sell his house - which I discovered was at a lower price than my original.


I hope the moral is obvious here.

It's unnamed potential we should be after - players that we can mould into top class performers. Then we will realise the dream - believe me!
Agree with your fundamental principle, ego, and we should move on if players are greedy however all this is media speculation and should be treated as such.

As for Saints and Europe - We have ambiton, not expectation.

STID
There is nothing wrong in being ambitious, the higher we aim, the better we finish...
On the other hand, big money and mercenaries are killing the beautiful game...
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: I am not at all confused by the speculation. I posted my views on a thread a few days ago, and I will repeat it again. We are not ready for a bash at Europe yet. We only marginally escaped relegation last season - that we did is to our credit nevertheless. There is no reason not to target Europe as a set target over the next 3-4 years. You can't bring in so called name players and expect to make the grade in one go. It doesn't work that way. Anyone remember Lawrie Mac's patient rebuild - which culminated in success? But it wasn't achieved in one season was it? As for the recent speculations, these players have made it clear that we are their last priority - they don't want to come here unless there is nothing else on offer. OK then. Forget them, and don't return with an offer when they fail elsewhere. We don't want these type of people who play for themselves and not the shirt. I remember some years ago making an offer on a house. I agreed a price, and told the seller if he gazumped me I would not return. Sure enough, after paying legal and surveyor's fees he informed me he'd had a better offer, and could I match it or improve on it. I said absolutely not, and he went with the higher offer. A month later he was back to say the buyer had dropped out, and he would accept my original offer. I invited him to go jump in the lake, and he took another 18 months to sell his house - which I discovered was at a lower price than my original. I hope the moral is obvious here. It's unnamed potential we should be after - players that we can mould into top class performers. Then we will realise the dream - believe me![/p][/quote]Agree with your fundamental principle, ego, and we should move on if players are greedy however all this is media speculation and should be treated as such. As for Saints and Europe - We have ambiton, not expectation. STID[/p][/quote]There is nothing wrong in being ambitious, the higher we aim, the better we finish... On the other hand, big money and mercenaries are killing the beautiful game... FindAndDestroy
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7:13pm Mon 24 Jun 13

FindAndDestroy says...

For what i can see!! MP can not just sign any player, i think is looking for players who capable of playing his particular style of football...
We just need to trust him
For what i can see!! MP can not just sign any player, i think is looking for players who capable of playing his particular style of football... We just need to trust him FindAndDestroy
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7:36pm Mon 24 Jun 13

FindAndDestroy says...

Readeano wrote:
Its not Pochettino and hasn't been managers for a while.

Lets be honest here in my 15 years as a Massive Saints Fan i haven't known us to buy anyone with a Big name rep, yeah we have had our Greats i.e Neimi, Svenson's, etc and obviously we all know about academy players Bale, Walcott, Chambo etc

But we haven't bought anyone that i can think off in the last 15 years anyway.

I really want big name players, names which everyone knows when mentioned, players who are deemed to be amazing and can change a game, we have our players in our squad who have become good players and are deemed to be the thing keeping us going.

But despite Managers coming and going because of what ever reason but more recently because they cant get in big named players it doesn't change a thing we need to get a lucky break with an exceptional players and finish top 10 and times will change
It will be exciting to sign Big names, but they don't seem to be keen on signing for us.
We have to come up with plan B, we can still get good players out there to help us finish in the top 10, just look at spurs the whole team is not made up with big names, they have probably 3 or 4 big names, look how well they are doing..
I think with our new style of football, and with MP opportunity to sign his own players we can marvel the PL next season.
[quote][p][bold]Readeano[/bold] wrote: Its not Pochettino and hasn't been managers for a while. Lets be honest here in my 15 years as a Massive Saints Fan i haven't known us to buy anyone with a Big name rep, yeah we have had our Greats i.e Neimi, Svenson's, etc and obviously we all know about academy players Bale, Walcott, Chambo etc But we haven't bought anyone that i can think off in the last 15 years anyway. I really want big name players, names which everyone knows when mentioned, players who are deemed to be amazing and can change a game, we have our players in our squad who have become good players and are deemed to be the thing keeping us going. But despite Managers coming and going because of what ever reason but more recently because they cant get in big named players it doesn't change a thing we need to get a lucky break with an exceptional players and finish top 10 and times will change[/p][/quote]It will be exciting to sign Big names, but they don't seem to be keen on signing for us. We have to come up with plan B, we can still get good players out there to help us finish in the top 10, just look at spurs the whole team is not made up with big names, they have probably 3 or 4 big names, look how well they are doing.. I think with our new style of football, and with MP opportunity to sign his own players we can marvel the PL next season. FindAndDestroy
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7:41pm Mon 24 Jun 13

John Shuttleworth says...

Littleton-Saint wrote:
I agree. Our last six games were relegation form. Ideally, we'd have an English-speaking manager who is not a one-trick-pony and we'd bring in more quality before training re-starts in July.
Whereas our last ten games were ninth-position form.
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: I agree. Our last six games were relegation form. Ideally, we'd have an English-speaking manager who is not a one-trick-pony and we'd bring in more quality before training re-starts in July.[/p][/quote]Whereas our last ten games were ninth-position form. John Shuttleworth
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10:01pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

FindAndDestroy wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome.

Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum.

I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.
I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.
well said!!!!!Absolutely right...it's about sharing
Egomaniac, I've no idea how many people regularly post on here; maybe 100-200 or more. Some are Skates, some from other clubs, some are clearly WUMs etc....... I would say that about 80% or more are genuine Saints fans with genuine opinions.

I often read something and find myself laughing or agreeing or not agreeing etc. but I don't always reply. Sometimes it's because I'm busy or I have other things to do or the post doesn't require a response.

Likewise, I sometimes comment and think it's sure to be responded to but isn't.

It's no big deal. I'll keep posting and I hope you will, too. Your views are every bit as valuable as the other genuine fans.
[quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome. Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum. I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.[/p][/quote]I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.[/p][/quote]well said!!!!!Absolutely right...it's about sharing[/p][/quote]Egomaniac, I've no idea how many people regularly post on here; maybe 100-200 or more. Some are Skates, some from other clubs, some are clearly WUMs etc....... I would say that about 80% or more are genuine Saints fans with genuine opinions. I often read something and find myself laughing or agreeing or not agreeing etc. but I don't always reply. Sometimes it's because I'm busy or I have other things to do or the post doesn't require a response. Likewise, I sometimes comment and think it's sure to be responded to but isn't. It's no big deal. I'll keep posting and I hope you will, too. Your views are every bit as valuable as the other genuine fans. Strasbourg Saint
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10:32pm Mon 24 Jun 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

FindAndDestroy wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome.

Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum.

I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.
I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.
well said!!!!!Absolutely right...it's about sharing
If you don't get a responese it usually means that they agree with you and have nothing further to add, if they disagree with you they will be on here like a rash. There are reasons for a lack of a response, sometimes the nuance of the post is lost, Confuscious style, or gibberish, my usual style!
[quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: Whether it's because I am too knowledgeable, or I write a load a c**p, nobody ever seems to respond to my posts. I think really it's because there is a definite clique on here, and the "newbies" are not really welcome. Whatever, I will take my leave - enjoy your forum. I will, of course, remain a staunch Saints fan.[/p][/quote]I read all posts and respond on occasion. I post not to get a response, but because I choose to share. Don't take it so personal that people don't respond to you. Add your two cents. Your comments are always welcome.[/p][/quote]well said!!!!!Absolutely right...it's about sharing[/p][/quote]If you don't get a responese it usually means that they agree with you and have nothing further to add, if they disagree with you they will be on here like a rash. There are reasons for a lack of a response, sometimes the nuance of the post is lost, Confuscious style, or gibberish, my usual style! OSPREYSAINT
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11:04pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Chunky62 says...

Mmmmmmmmmm could it be Mr Bent is the surprise player who is going to wear the new shirt sponcered by Lotus at the unveiling possibly Friday
Mmmmmmmmmm could it be Mr Bent is the surprise player who is going to wear the new shirt sponcered by Lotus at the unveiling possibly Friday Chunky62
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1:26am Tue 25 Jun 13

techsture says...

Does GW live next door to an echo editor? time and time again we get his "opinion" from someone who wouldnt have got in our league one squad.
Does GW live next door to an echo editor? time and time again we get his "opinion" from someone who wouldnt have got in our league one squad. techsture
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