Gaston Ramirez's agent: We'd consider Inter Milan offer

Daily Echo: Gaston Ramirez Gaston Ramirez

GASTON Ramirez’s agent has revealed the Saints playmaker would “consider” a return to Italy.

The 22-year-old became Saints’ record signing last summer when he signed for around £12m from Bologna.

The jury remains out on the Uruguayan international after he netted five times in 26 Premier League appearances last season.

That compared to eight goals in 33 Serie A outings for Bologna in 2011/12.

Now Ramirez’s agent, Pablo Betancourt, has done little to dampen speculation that Inter Milan are keen to bring Ramirez back to Italy.

“I don’t think they’re just rumours,” Betancourt said. “Italy remains in his heart and Inter are a great team.

“But I don’t like to talk about things that are not concrete.

“If an offer comes in, we’ll consider it.”

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8:32am Tue 23 Jul 13

Clever Dick says...

I think he means "If an offer comes in then Southampton Football Club will consider it"
I think he means "If an offer comes in then Southampton Football Club will consider it" Clever Dick
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8:34am Tue 23 Jul 13

St.Yorkie says...

Sounds like agent wants more commission by getting another transfer! The key to me is "IF an offer comes in!"
I hate agents who do this - but as footballers are not as a collective all that clever I understand they need someone to look out for them.
Sounds like agent wants more commission by getting another transfer! The key to me is "IF an offer comes in!" I hate agents who do this - but as footballers are not as a collective all that clever I understand they need someone to look out for them. St.Yorkie
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8:35am Tue 23 Jul 13

Portswood says...

This 'story' is just a desperate measure to distract us all from the glorious birth of a royal baby.

Back to suckling at the teat of our wonderful patriotic news media, folks!
This 'story' is just a desperate measure to distract us all from the glorious birth of a royal baby. Back to suckling at the teat of our wonderful patriotic news media, folks! Portswood
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8:37am Tue 23 Jul 13

george chivers says...

Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team. george chivers
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8:43am Tue 23 Jul 13

Rising_Son says...

george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
But the only information comes from his agent, so how can you reach the conclusion that "he is clearly not committed to the cause?"
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]But the only information comes from his agent, so how can you reach the conclusion that "he is clearly not committed to the cause?" Rising_Son
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8:51am Tue 23 Jul 13

Clever Dick says...

Portswood wrote:
This 'story' is just a desperate measure to distract us all from the glorious birth of a royal baby.

Back to suckling at the teat of our wonderful patriotic news media, folks!
Yes and what taste they showed in having the birth at St Marys. Just imagine the national outrage if it were announced that the birth had taken place at Nottarf Krap.
[quote][p][bold]Portswood[/bold] wrote: This 'story' is just a desperate measure to distract us all from the glorious birth of a royal baby. Back to suckling at the teat of our wonderful patriotic news media, folks![/p][/quote]Yes and what taste they showed in having the birth at St Marys. Just imagine the national outrage if it were announced that the birth had taken place at Nottarf Krap. Clever Dick
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8:55am Tue 23 Jul 13

elvisimo says...

They may "consider" it - however on his form last season I cant see that happening. Delusions of grandeur I think. Maybe show people that you are worth the price paid?
They may "consider" it - however on his form last season I cant see that happening. Delusions of grandeur I think. Maybe show people that you are worth the price paid? elvisimo
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8:55am Tue 23 Jul 13

Alicesdad says...

I need to know more about Schrodingers cat.... can anyone update me on current thinking?
I need to know more about Schrodingers cat.... can anyone update me on current thinking? Alicesdad
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9:00am Tue 23 Jul 13

Norwegian Saint says...

Does Gaston realise how his agent is stirring up bad feeling between the fans and him?

Gaston should send out a message of what HE wants, not this agent dipstick who wants to line his own pockets.
Does Gaston realise how his agent is stirring up bad feeling between the fans and him? Gaston should send out a message of what HE wants, not this agent dipstick who wants to line his own pockets. Norwegian Saint
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9:12am Tue 23 Jul 13

Clever Dick says...

Alicesdad wrote:
I need to know more about Schrodingers cat.... can anyone update me on current thinking?
Well you are probably already aware that it's a thought experiment devised by the great mind of Erwin Schrodinger back in 1935. I think you probably need to direct your question directly to Confucious in order to get the current thinking from an equally great mind. However try not to disturb him too much as he is currently directing his powers toward tactics and team selection for the coming season.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I need to know more about Schrodingers cat.... can anyone update me on current thinking?[/p][/quote]Well you are probably already aware that it's a thought experiment devised by the great mind of Erwin Schrodinger back in 1935. I think you probably need to direct your question directly to Confucious in order to get the current thinking from an equally great mind. However try not to disturb him too much as he is currently directing his powers toward tactics and team selection for the coming season. Clever Dick
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9:19am Tue 23 Jul 13

george chivers says...

Rising_Son wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
But the only information comes from his agent, so how can you reach the conclusion that "he is clearly not committed to the cause?"
I did say "If this was true" meaning if HE and his agent are interested in finding him a team in Italy.

I also don't think from what I saw of him last year he was totally committed to the cause on the performances he put in. Especially the way he was sent off, with three crucial games to go. Not a taking one for the team foul. Just an act of pure petulance.

For me if he stays, he needs to fully commit and grow up. Steven Davies is a far less talented player with a great attitude. Gaston needs some of that attitude in his play.

Otherwise for me, he can go. I don't like Prima Donnas. He is/was our record signing. He doesn't deliver enough for the money we paid.

Shape up Gaston or Ship out!
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]But the only information comes from his agent, so how can you reach the conclusion that "he is clearly not committed to the cause?"[/p][/quote]I did say "If this was true" meaning if HE and his agent are interested in finding him a team in Italy. I also don't think from what I saw of him last year he was totally committed to the cause on the performances he put in. Especially the way he was sent off, with three crucial games to go. Not a taking one for the team foul. Just an act of pure petulance. For me if he stays, he needs to fully commit and grow up. Steven Davies is a far less talented player with a great attitude. Gaston needs some of that attitude in his play. Otherwise for me, he can go. I don't like Prima Donnas. He is/was our record signing. He doesn't deliver enough for the money we paid. Shape up Gaston or Ship out! george chivers
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9:22am Tue 23 Jul 13

saintand266 says...

If inter want him they will have to pay handsomely for him, £20 million is a fair price.
Id rather he stayed as i think we will see the best of him this season
If inter want him they will have to pay handsomely for him, £20 million is a fair price. Id rather he stayed as i think we will see the best of him this season saintand266
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9:30am Tue 23 Jul 13

Dickosfc says...

They can consider it but the Don will chuck the offer straight in the bin.
They can consider it but the Don will chuck the offer straight in the bin. Dickosfc
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9:36am Tue 23 Jul 13

Clever Dick says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
I need to know more about Schrodingers cat.... can anyone update me on current thinking?
Well you are probably already aware that it's a thought experiment devised by the great mind of Erwin Schrodinger back in 1935. I think you probably need to direct your question directly to Confucious in order to get the current thinking from an equally great mind. However try not to disturb him too much as he is currently directing his powers toward tactics and team selection for the coming season.
Also I believe this experiment is equally appropriate to Poopey FC. All Saints fans know they are as good as dead yet there are a few at that end of the motorway who totally believe they are alive and kicking ( well not exactly kicking, more flapping their fins)
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I need to know more about Schrodingers cat.... can anyone update me on current thinking?[/p][/quote]Well you are probably already aware that it's a thought experiment devised by the great mind of Erwin Schrodinger back in 1935. I think you probably need to direct your question directly to Confucious in order to get the current thinking from an equally great mind. However try not to disturb him too much as he is currently directing his powers toward tactics and team selection for the coming season.[/p][/quote]Also I believe this experiment is equally appropriate to Poopey FC. All Saints fans know they are as good as dead yet there are a few at that end of the motorway who totally believe they are alive and kicking ( well not exactly kicking, more flapping their fins) Clever Dick
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10:05am Tue 23 Jul 13

St Retford says...

elvisimo wrote:
They may "consider" it - however on his form last season I cant see that happening. Delusions of grandeur I think. Maybe show people that you are worth the price paid?
This. I can hardly imagine scouts will have been sending glowing reports back to Inter based on his performances last season or, indeed, at the Confederations Cup.

As Morrissey once said, he just hasn't earned it yet baby.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: They may "consider" it - however on his form last season I cant see that happening. Delusions of grandeur I think. Maybe show people that you are worth the price paid?[/p][/quote]This. I can hardly imagine scouts will have been sending glowing reports back to Inter based on his performances last season or, indeed, at the Confederations Cup. As Morrissey once said, he just hasn't earned it yet baby. St Retford
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10:20am Tue 23 Jul 13

deepheat says...

I can see him leaving in the January transfer window. Providing he doesn't get anymore dead legs and has a good start to the season then Saints should cash in on Inters offer. If we can get 12 million for him now I would take it. There will be no Prem League teams wanting him at that price. I would love to be wrong and he plays a blinder of a season for us though.
I can see him leaving in the January transfer window. Providing he doesn't get anymore dead legs and has a good start to the season then Saints should cash in on Inters offer. If we can get 12 million for him now I would take it. There will be no Prem League teams wanting him at that price. I would love to be wrong and he plays a blinder of a season for us though. deepheat
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10:23am Tue 23 Jul 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

don't get so worked up by speculative comments from a self interested agent tbh.
don't get so worked up by speculative comments from a self interested agent tbh. Stroppy_gramps
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10:38am Tue 23 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

I would like to see him prove his worth with us, for what we paid for him, but if someone wants to pay silly money for him they can have him and we could probably get two for the price of one that would be just as useful.
I would like to see him prove his worth with us, for what we paid for him, but if someone wants to pay silly money for him they can have him and we could probably get two for the price of one that would be just as useful. OSPREYSAINT
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10:43am Tue 23 Jul 13

SaintJD says...

If I was Gaston and his agent and wanted more money or a bigger club I'd concentrate on maybe playing football and reaching your potential?

Work hard, show your worth, then surely then the offers and the big moves open up? Or is that old fashioned?

They seem a little too keen to do things the other way around.
If I was Gaston and his agent and wanted more money or a bigger club I'd concentrate on maybe playing football and reaching your potential? Work hard, show your worth, then surely then the offers and the big moves open up? Or is that old fashioned? They seem a little too keen to do things the other way around. SaintJD
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11:06am Tue 23 Jul 13

st1halo says...

george chivers wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
But the only information comes from his agent, so how can you reach the conclusion that "he is clearly not committed to the cause?"
I did say "If this was true" meaning if HE and his agent are interested in finding him a team in Italy.

I also don't think from what I saw of him last year he was totally committed to the cause on the performances he put in. Especially the way he was sent off, with three crucial games to go. Not a taking one for the team foul. Just an act of pure petulance.

For me if he stays, he needs to fully commit and grow up. Steven Davies is a far less talented player with a great attitude. Gaston needs some of that attitude in his play.

Otherwise for me, he can go. I don't like Prima Donnas. He is/was our record signing. He doesn't deliver enough for the money we paid.

Shape up Gaston or Ship out!
I think you are being a bit hard on Gaston. I accept he didn't perform as we hoped for a large price tag but he's young, in a strange country, had a serious injury, change of managers and style, part appearances and still managed 5 goals and 3 assists (a stat that is better than Morgans in 10 less games)

This story is no more than his agent bluffing at the Poker Table and doing the job he gets paid for.

The sending off was a product of bad refereeing, not petulance on his part. He doesn't come across as a Prima Donna either. I'm expecting more like eeryone this season but if he gets 5 goals again, that will do me!

STID
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]But the only information comes from his agent, so how can you reach the conclusion that "he is clearly not committed to the cause?"[/p][/quote]I did say "If this was true" meaning if HE and his agent are interested in finding him a team in Italy. I also don't think from what I saw of him last year he was totally committed to the cause on the performances he put in. Especially the way he was sent off, with three crucial games to go. Not a taking one for the team foul. Just an act of pure petulance. For me if he stays, he needs to fully commit and grow up. Steven Davies is a far less talented player with a great attitude. Gaston needs some of that attitude in his play. Otherwise for me, he can go. I don't like Prima Donnas. He is/was our record signing. He doesn't deliver enough for the money we paid. Shape up Gaston or Ship out![/p][/quote]I think you are being a bit hard on Gaston. I accept he didn't perform as we hoped for a large price tag but he's young, in a strange country, had a serious injury, change of managers and style, part appearances and still managed 5 goals and 3 assists (a stat that is better than Morgans in 10 less games) This story is no more than his agent bluffing at the Poker Table and doing the job he gets paid for. The sending off was a product of bad refereeing, not petulance on his part. He doesn't come across as a Prima Donna either. I'm expecting more like eeryone this season but if he gets 5 goals again, that will do me! STID st1halo
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11:21am Tue 23 Jul 13

costa gaz says...

There must be something about his game that made us part with £12m last year.
If he stays, we may get to see this, but imho, his body language was not right last season and I think that he has been trying to engineer a move back to Italy since the day he arrived.
There must be something about his game that made us part with £12m last year. If he stays, we may get to see this, but imho, his body language was not right last season and I think that he has been trying to engineer a move back to Italy since the day he arrived. costa gaz
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12:04pm Tue 23 Jul 13

el caballo santos101 says...

I see we are starting to treat gaston in the same way we treat guly.
how do you know he isn't committed to the cause?

I think that because we paid so much money for him that people expected him to be the messiah. what we got with gaston is a very good player who, despite having an injury to his leg that required him to spend a couple of nights in hospital, had a decent season last year. his stats have shown that, the fact that other teams fans thought he did well and the fact that several clubs have shown an interest in him, with a reported £14mill bid turned down shows he had a good season. we as fans of the club he plays for will always expect more from our players, all of our players. it just seems that some players are given more leeway than others. gaston will not score in every game, he wont put in a 5 star performance in every game, what he can do is put in good performances with a few game changing performances this season scoring a few more goals.
lets try not to turn gaston into another guly and support him, even if he`s having a bad game.
I see we are starting to treat gaston in the same way we treat guly. how do you know he isn't committed to the cause? I think that because we paid so much money for him that people expected him to be the messiah. what we got with gaston is a very good player who, despite having an injury to his leg that required him to spend a couple of nights in hospital, had a decent season last year. his stats have shown that, the fact that other teams fans thought he did well and the fact that several clubs have shown an interest in him, with a reported £14mill bid turned down shows he had a good season. we as fans of the club he plays for will always expect more from our players, all of our players. it just seems that some players are given more leeway than others. gaston will not score in every game, he wont put in a 5 star performance in every game, what he can do is put in good performances with a few game changing performances this season scoring a few more goals. lets try not to turn gaston into another guly and support him, even if he`s having a bad game. el caballo santos101
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12:04pm Tue 23 Jul 13

Egomaniac says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I would like to see him prove his worth with us, for what we paid for him, but if someone wants to pay silly money for him they can have him and we could probably get two for the price of one that would be just as useful.
I tend to agree with your sentiments. However, there's more to this report than meets the eye. The agent's comments have clearly gone out with Ramirez's approval. I don't think there has been any interest from Italy so far, and I suspect this statement is purely a tactic/bluff.

Why? Because Ramirez is clearly not happy at SFC - that's plain to see. Perhaps Nigel Adkins will come in with a bid for him .....!!

Whatever, I do not believe - for one moment - Gaston is a committed Saint.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I would like to see him prove his worth with us, for what we paid for him, but if someone wants to pay silly money for him they can have him and we could probably get two for the price of one that would be just as useful.[/p][/quote]I tend to agree with your sentiments. However, there's more to this report than meets the eye. The agent's comments have clearly gone out with Ramirez's approval. I don't think there has been any interest from Italy so far, and I suspect this statement is purely a tactic/bluff. Why? Because Ramirez is clearly not happy at SFC - that's plain to see. Perhaps Nigel Adkins will come in with a bid for him .....!! Whatever, I do not believe - for one moment - Gaston is a committed Saint. Egomaniac
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12:06pm Tue 23 Jul 13

Egomaniac says...

costa gaz wrote:
There must be something about his game that made us part with £12m last year.
If he stays, we may get to see this, but imho, his body language was not right last season and I think that he has been trying to engineer a move back to Italy since the day he arrived.
Totally concur with your final sentence!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: There must be something about his game that made us part with £12m last year. If he stays, we may get to see this, but imho, his body language was not right last season and I think that he has been trying to engineer a move back to Italy since the day he arrived.[/p][/quote]Totally concur with your final sentence! Egomaniac
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12:16pm Tue 23 Jul 13

Mush On The Beach says...

I’d rather we continue adding top talent to our squad rather than considering letting it go. The best is yet to come from Gaston, I just hope it is with us.
Man United once made that mistake with another young Uruguayan Diego Forlán.
I’d rather we continue adding top talent to our squad rather than considering letting it go. The best is yet to come from Gaston, I just hope it is with us. Man United once made that mistake with another young Uruguayan Diego Forlán. Mush On The Beach
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1:14pm Tue 23 Jul 13

CB FRY LIVES says...

Another slick greasy heart agent who can see a big fat comission fee coming his way..I think a lot of fans consider that Ramirez was a waste of money and would be happy to see him go-.If indeed the South American maverick does go let's hope the money is spent on a good young english top quality prospect as i think that the saints squad is in danger of becoming too top heavy with average foreign mercenaries.
Another slick greasy heart agent who can see a big fat comission fee coming his way..I think a lot of fans consider that Ramirez was a waste of money and would be happy to see him go-.If indeed the South American maverick does go let's hope the money is spent on a good young english top quality prospect as i think that the saints squad is in danger of becoming too top heavy with average foreign mercenaries. CB FRY LIVES
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1:32pm Tue 23 Jul 13

Redrobbo says...

As some one else said a young man in a strange country. Culturally Italy is closer to Uruguay than the UK, so Italy and Spain will probably always appeal to him. I think he is s great talent and I would love him to fulfil his potential at St.Marys. As for being committed to the cause, i think that is an idea that is alien to most modern footballers.They are committed to a point, that point is how much money they can make.That is why some onf them are 'transfer whores' and others play football in Russia, The Middle East or some other God forsaken place. Its a bit like saying to a girl would you sleep with me for ten million quid, most would say yes.You then say well now we have agreed the principal can we negotiate on the price. Football transfers are just like that in reverse.
As some one else said a young man in a strange country. Culturally Italy is closer to Uruguay than the UK, so Italy and Spain will probably always appeal to him. I think he is s great talent and I would love him to fulfil his potential at St.Marys. As for being committed to the cause, i think that is an idea that is alien to most modern footballers.They are committed to a point, that point is how much money they can make.That is why some onf them are 'transfer whores' and others play football in Russia, The Middle East or some other God forsaken place. Its a bit like saying to a girl would you sleep with me for ten million quid, most would say yes.You then say well now we have agreed the principal can we negotiate on the price. Football transfers are just like that in reverse. Redrobbo
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2:08pm Tue 23 Jul 13

Dave Juson says...

It’s ironic, given his birthplace, Gaston Rimírez, attracts so many corny beefs on these pages.
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For the record: the boy’s a genius. His detractors are not worthy to judge him.
It’s ironic, given his birthplace, Gaston Rimírez, attracts so many corny beefs on these pages. . For the record: the boy’s a genius. His detractors are not worthy to judge him. Dave Juson
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2:28pm Tue 23 Jul 13

sarfhamton says...

IF IF IF IF
IF IF IF IF sarfhamton
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2:51pm Tue 23 Jul 13

right back in the bar says...

Egomaniac wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I would like to see him prove his worth with us, for what we paid for him, but if someone wants to pay silly money for him they can have him and we could probably get two for the price of one that would be just as useful.
I tend to agree with your sentiments. However, there's more to this report than meets the eye. The agent's comments have clearly gone out with Ramirez's approval. I don't think there has been any interest from Italy so far, and I suspect this statement is purely a tactic/bluff.

Why? Because Ramirez is clearly not happy at SFC - that's plain to see. Perhaps Nigel Adkins will come in with a bid for him .....!!

Whatever, I do not believe - for one moment - Gaston is a committed Saint.
Spot on and the lack of commitment was there for all to see in the extremely patchy performances and minor injuries last season. I think his character is highly suspect; and ability overrated by his defenders on these pages. In the end though I think he plays like a pansy and I would take AL in preference every time.
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I would like to see him prove his worth with us, for what we paid for him, but if someone wants to pay silly money for him they can have him and we could probably get two for the price of one that would be just as useful.[/p][/quote]I tend to agree with your sentiments. However, there's more to this report than meets the eye. The agent's comments have clearly gone out with Ramirez's approval. I don't think there has been any interest from Italy so far, and I suspect this statement is purely a tactic/bluff. Why? Because Ramirez is clearly not happy at SFC - that's plain to see. Perhaps Nigel Adkins will come in with a bid for him .....!! Whatever, I do not believe - for one moment - Gaston is a committed Saint.[/p][/quote]Spot on and the lack of commitment was there for all to see in the extremely patchy performances and minor injuries last season. I think his character is highly suspect; and ability overrated by his defenders on these pages. In the end though I think he plays like a pansy and I would take AL in preference every time. right back in the bar
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2:58pm Tue 23 Jul 13

CB FRY LIVES says...

right back in the bar wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I would like to see him prove his worth with us, for what we paid for him, but if someone wants to pay silly money for him they can have him and we could probably get two for the price of one that would be just as useful.
I tend to agree with your sentiments. However, there's more to this report than meets the eye. The agent's comments have clearly gone out with Ramirez's approval. I don't think there has been any interest from Italy so far, and I suspect this statement is purely a tactic/bluff.

Why? Because Ramirez is clearly not happy at SFC - that's plain to see. Perhaps Nigel Adkins will come in with a bid for him .....!!

Whatever, I do not believe - for one moment - Gaston is a committed Saint.
Spot on and the lack of commitment was there for all to see in the extremely patchy performances and minor injuries last season. I think his character is highly suspect; and ability overrated by his defenders on these pages. In the end though I think he plays like a pansy and I would take AL in preference every time.
AL IS SAINTS THROUGH AND THROUGH.Lets face it Ramirez love him or loathe him has no real love for england let alone Southampton.If the money is right let him go.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I would like to see him prove his worth with us, for what we paid for him, but if someone wants to pay silly money for him they can have him and we could probably get two for the price of one that would be just as useful.[/p][/quote]I tend to agree with your sentiments. However, there's more to this report than meets the eye. The agent's comments have clearly gone out with Ramirez's approval. I don't think there has been any interest from Italy so far, and I suspect this statement is purely a tactic/bluff. Why? Because Ramirez is clearly not happy at SFC - that's plain to see. Perhaps Nigel Adkins will come in with a bid for him .....!! Whatever, I do not believe - for one moment - Gaston is a committed Saint.[/p][/quote]Spot on and the lack of commitment was there for all to see in the extremely patchy performances and minor injuries last season. I think his character is highly suspect; and ability overrated by his defenders on these pages. In the end though I think he plays like a pansy and I would take AL in preference every time.[/p][/quote]AL IS SAINTS THROUGH AND THROUGH.Lets face it Ramirez love him or loathe him has no real love for england let alone Southampton.If the money is right let him go. CB FRY LIVES
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3:03pm Tue 23 Jul 13

batesieboy says...

Having left Thailand, I would "consider" an offer from Italy...however, I am in fact off to Vietnam.
Having left Thailand, I would "consider" an offer from Italy...however, I am in fact off to Vietnam. batesieboy
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4:21pm Tue 23 Jul 13

redsnapper says...

george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!! redsnapper
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4:57pm Tue 23 Jul 13

DisplacedFan says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Alicesdad wrote: I need to know more about Schrodingers cat.... can anyone update me on current thinking?
Well you are probably already aware that it's a thought experiment devised by the great mind of Erwin Schrodinger back in 1935. I think you probably need to direct your question directly to Confucious in order to get the current thinking from an equally great mind. However try not to disturb him too much as he is currently directing his powers toward tactics and team selection for the coming season.
Also I believe this experiment is equally appropriate to Poopey FC. All Saints fans know they are as good as dead yet there are a few at that end of the motorway who totally believe they are alive and kicking ( well not exactly kicking, more flapping their fins)
And gasping for anything that floats!
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I need to know more about Schrodingers cat.... can anyone update me on current thinking?[/p][/quote]Well you are probably already aware that it's a thought experiment devised by the great mind of Erwin Schrodinger back in 1935. I think you probably need to direct your question directly to Confucious in order to get the current thinking from an equally great mind. However try not to disturb him too much as he is currently directing his powers toward tactics and team selection for the coming season.[/p][/quote]Also I believe this experiment is equally appropriate to Poopey FC. All Saints fans know they are as good as dead yet there are a few at that end of the motorway who totally believe they are alive and kicking ( well not exactly kicking, more flapping their fins)[/p][/quote]And gasping for anything that floats! DisplacedFan
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5:51pm Tue 23 Jul 13

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Them boys sure do a mean Spag Bowl now please jog on!
Them boys sure do a mean Spag Bowl now please jog on! Fatty x Ford Worker
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6:25pm Tue 23 Jul 13

slugger says...

A lot of guff posted on here by "Fans"............. How can anyone believe that Gaston isn't commited to Saints because he got sent off once ? .......... Jeez !
A lot of guff posted on here by "Fans"............. How can anyone believe that Gaston isn't commited to Saints because he got sent off once ? .......... Jeez ! slugger
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6:27pm Tue 23 Jul 13

slugger says...

Oh , and of course anyone should consider any offer ........ It's whether they accept it or not is the important thing .
Oh , and of course anyone should consider any offer ........ It's whether they accept it or not is the important thing . slugger
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6:30pm Tue 23 Jul 13

george chivers says...

redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving. george chivers
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6:35pm Tue 23 Jul 13

slugger says...

george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
Bull !
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]Bull ! slugger
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6:38pm Tue 23 Jul 13

saintand266 says...

slugger wrote:
A lot of guff posted on here by "Fans".........
.... How can anyone believe that Gaston isn't commited to Saints because he got sent off once ? .......... Jeez !
Well said!!, also how can he be criticised for taking long range shots? He was bought as an attacking midfielder and in my book that means being creative and scoring goals - if you don't shoot you don't score. Now the lad has had time to get used to a new country ,a different style of football, a new language etc ,we will see the best of him this season.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: A lot of guff posted on here by "Fans"......... .... How can anyone believe that Gaston isn't commited to Saints because he got sent off once ? .......... Jeez ![/p][/quote]Well said!!, also how can he be criticised for taking long range shots? He was bought as an attacking midfielder and in my book that means being creative and scoring goals - if you don't shoot you don't score. Now the lad has had time to get used to a new country ,a different style of football, a new language etc ,we will see the best of him this season. saintand266
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6:43pm Tue 23 Jul 13

batesieboy says...

Mr. Chivers, Gaston will be with Southampton FC and will have an excellent season (he was not at all bad last season, either.) Then come back on here and admit you really do talk some rot, most of the time!
Mr. Chivers, Gaston will be with Southampton FC and will have an excellent season (he was not at all bad last season, either.) Then come back on here and admit you really do talk some rot, most of the time! batesieboy
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6:47pm Tue 23 Jul 13

slugger says...

batesieboy wrote:
Mr. Chivers, Gaston will be with Southampton FC and will have an excellent season (he was not at all bad last season, either.) Then come back on here and admit you really do talk some rot, most of the time!
Mr Chivers also mentioned "personal issues" ........ where did that bit of poison come from ?
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: Mr. Chivers, Gaston will be with Southampton FC and will have an excellent season (he was not at all bad last season, either.) Then come back on here and admit you really do talk some rot, most of the time![/p][/quote]Mr Chivers also mentioned "personal issues" ........ where did that bit of poison come from ? slugger
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7:05pm Tue 23 Jul 13

franiow says...

Gaston is young, had a bad injury and a death in the family. Not easy settling into a totally different country where you don't speak the language. Have never heard anything negative about him, so see no sign of an attitude. Perhaps an offer will come in, but we have to trust Nicola to do what is best. Otherwise, I am hoping for good things from Ramirez this season.
Gaston is young, had a bad injury and a death in the family. Not easy settling into a totally different country where you don't speak the language. Have never heard anything negative about him, so see no sign of an attitude. Perhaps an offer will come in, but we have to trust Nicola to do what is best. Otherwise, I am hoping for good things from Ramirez this season. franiow
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7:09pm Tue 23 Jul 13

F Fan says...

Gaston has class. We will have to wait and and see how he applies that when he has a good injury free run. But for fans to slag him off at this stage is too stupid for words.
Gaston has class. We will have to wait and and see how he applies that when he has a good injury free run. But for fans to slag him off at this stage is too stupid for words. F Fan
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7:26pm Tue 23 Jul 13

business-guru says...

F Fan wrote:
Gaston has class. We will have to wait and and see how he applies that when he has a good injury free run. But for fans to slag him off at this stage is too stupid for words.
fans may not be overly impressed with a £12.5M player who even when fit was "not considered suitable" for some away games.... Still onwards and upwards with MP.... the true picture will be clear soon enough. He is clearly a class act, but his application is questioned by some who were expecting something more for the money. I am more philosophical,,, the money spent should not be the mark by which he is judged,,, he is either good enough for us or he is not... I am optimistic.
[quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: Gaston has class. We will have to wait and and see how he applies that when he has a good injury free run. But for fans to slag him off at this stage is too stupid for words.[/p][/quote]fans may not be overly impressed with a £12.5M player who even when fit was "not considered suitable" for some away games.... Still onwards and upwards with MP.... the true picture will be clear soon enough. He is clearly a class act, but his application is questioned by some who were expecting something more for the money. I am more philosophical,,, the money spent should not be the mark by which he is judged,,, he is either good enough for us or he is not... I am optimistic. business-guru
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7:40pm Tue 23 Jul 13

george chivers says...

slugger wrote:
batesieboy wrote:
Mr. Chivers, Gaston will be with Southampton FC and will have an excellent season (he was not at all bad last season, either.) Then come back on here and admit you really do talk some rot, most of the time!
Mr Chivers also mentioned "personal issues" ........ where did that bit of poison come from ?
From the previous poster. Not from me originally.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: Mr. Chivers, Gaston will be with Southampton FC and will have an excellent season (he was not at all bad last season, either.) Then come back on here and admit you really do talk some rot, most of the time![/p][/quote]Mr Chivers also mentioned "personal issues" ........ where did that bit of poison come from ?[/p][/quote]From the previous poster. Not from me originally. george chivers
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7:48pm Tue 23 Jul 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

batesieboy wrote:
Having left Thailand, I would "consider" an offer from Italy...however, I am in fact off to Vietnam.
Are you backpacking your way around Asia or are you off to work in, say, Hanoi, Batsie?

I've a good mate living and teaching English in Ho Chi Min (not there at the moment though). He's a Gooner but otherwise sound.

Nice country.
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: Having left Thailand, I would "consider" an offer from Italy...however, I am in fact off to Vietnam.[/p][/quote]Are you backpacking your way around Asia or are you off to work in, say, Hanoi, Batsie? I've a good mate living and teaching English in Ho Chi Min (not there at the moment though). He's a Gooner but otherwise sound. Nice country. Strasbourg Saint
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7:49pm Tue 23 Jul 13

george chivers says...

slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
Bull !
Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him.

My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK.

If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]Bull ![/p][/quote]Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him. My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK. If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view. george chivers
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8:32pm Tue 23 Jul 13

slugger says...

george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
Bull !
Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him.

My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK.

If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.
Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]Bull ![/p][/quote]Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him. My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK. If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.[/p][/quote]Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it . slugger
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8:38pm Tue 23 Jul 13

slugger says...

In my world I support whoever pulls on the shirt (sorry to mention the shirt) , support is going to get a better result than criticism every day ..... Or does someone know better ?
In my world I support whoever pulls on the shirt (sorry to mention the shirt) , support is going to get a better result than criticism every day ..... Or does someone know better ? slugger
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8:46pm Tue 23 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
Bull !
Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him.

My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK.

If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.
Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .
Short memories some people, they appear to have forgotten the near career ending injury picked up in training, he was lucky that our Club has the best medical facilities and the local hospital is the best in the business to deal with the problem early doors, it knocked the stuffing out of his season, he was only just creeping back to full fitness when the Season ran out. Give him a chance to prove himself.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]Bull ![/p][/quote]Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him. My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK. If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.[/p][/quote]Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .[/p][/quote]Short memories some people, they appear to have forgotten the near career ending injury picked up in training, he was lucky that our Club has the best medical facilities and the local hospital is the best in the business to deal with the problem early doors, it knocked the stuffing out of his season, he was only just creeping back to full fitness when the Season ran out. Give him a chance to prove himself. OSPREYSAINT
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8:56pm Tue 23 Jul 13

george chivers says...

slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
Bull !
Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him.

My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK.

If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.
Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .
Of course.

As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in.

I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]Bull ![/p][/quote]Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him. My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK. If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.[/p][/quote]Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .[/p][/quote]Of course. As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in. I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life. george chivers
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8:58pm Tue 23 Jul 13

iow-is-red-and-white says...

george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
Bull !
Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him.

My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK.

If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.
How do you define £12.5m performance against £8m what's your rationale for that judgement?
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]Bull ![/p][/quote]Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him. My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK. If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.[/p][/quote]How do you define £12.5m performance against £8m what's your rationale for that judgement? iow-is-red-and-white
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9:03pm Tue 23 Jul 13

slugger says...

george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
Bull !
Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him.

My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK.

If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.
Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .
Of course.

As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in.

I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life.
Have you ever considered that your support may be beneficial to a player ?
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]Bull ![/p][/quote]Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him. My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK. If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.[/p][/quote]Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .[/p][/quote]Of course. As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in. I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life.[/p][/quote]Have you ever considered that your support may be beneficial to a player ? slugger
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9:05pm Tue 23 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
Bull !
Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him.

My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK.

If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.
Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .
Of course.

As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in.

I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life.
Fair enough, post your views, but as a Saints supporter you will never get an easy life, it doesn't happen. If you post a point of view that differs from the majority, whether it is right or not, you will still get a response from someone with a differing view, that is their right of reply, shouldn't be a reason to get up tight about it. Better to consider why they differ, as I say they could just as easily be wrong having picked up some duff gen. Your job is to explain why you are right, quoting sources if possible.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]Bull ![/p][/quote]Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him. My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK. If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.[/p][/quote]Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .[/p][/quote]Of course. As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in. I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life.[/p][/quote]Fair enough, post your views, but as a Saints supporter you will never get an easy life, it doesn't happen. If you post a point of view that differs from the majority, whether it is right or not, you will still get a response from someone with a differing view, that is their right of reply, shouldn't be a reason to get up tight about it. Better to consider why they differ, as I say they could just as easily be wrong having picked up some duff gen. Your job is to explain why you are right, quoting sources if possible. OSPREYSAINT
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9:07pm Tue 23 Jul 13

StaffordshireSaint says...

Blimey guys, its a bit like marmite with Gaston. He will soon be mentioned in the same breath as Guly and Fox.
Just remember, we are looking at bringing on youth, he's the right age, and to be fair, probably had as good a season as Adam. I think these 2 could work in tandem this season, replacing the other in the second half if needed.
Blimey guys, its a bit like marmite with Gaston. He will soon be mentioned in the same breath as Guly and Fox. Just remember, we are looking at bringing on youth, he's the right age, and to be fair, probably had as good a season as Adam. I think these 2 could work in tandem this season, replacing the other in the second half if needed. StaffordshireSaint
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9:22pm Tue 23 Jul 13

DisplacedFan says...

slugger wrote:
In my world I support whoever pulls on the shirt (sorry to mention the shirt) , support is going to get a better result than criticism every day ..... Or does someone know better ?
No, Slugger. You called it right!
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: In my world I support whoever pulls on the shirt (sorry to mention the shirt) , support is going to get a better result than criticism every day ..... Or does someone know better ?[/p][/quote]No, Slugger. You called it right! DisplacedFan
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9:23pm Tue 23 Jul 13

slugger says...

I did say "If this was true" meaning if HE and his agent are interested in finding him a team in Italy.

I also don't think from what I saw of him last year he was totally committed to the cause on the performances he put in. Especially the way he was sent off, with three crucial games to go. Not a taking one for the team foul. Just an act of pure petulance.

For me if he stays, he needs to fully commit and grow up. Steven Davies is a far less talented player with a great attitude. Gaston needs some of that attitude in his play.

Otherwise for me, he can go. I don't like Prima Donnas. He is/was our record signing. He doesn't deliver enough for the money we paid.

Shape up Gaston or Ship out!”.............
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.................. This is what Mr Chivers posted earlier , he followed that up in a later post saying "if he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them" ...... Serious question , how many agree ?
I did say "If this was true" meaning if HE and his agent are interested in finding him a team in Italy. I also don't think from what I saw of him last year he was totally committed to the cause on the performances he put in. Especially the way he was sent off, with three crucial games to go. Not a taking one for the team foul. Just an act of pure petulance. For me if he stays, he needs to fully commit and grow up. Steven Davies is a far less talented player with a great attitude. Gaston needs some of that attitude in his play. Otherwise for me, he can go. I don't like Prima Donnas. He is/was our record signing. He doesn't deliver enough for the money we paid. Shape up Gaston or Ship out!”............. .................... .................... .................... .................... .................... .................. This is what Mr Chivers posted earlier , he followed that up in a later post saying "if he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them" ...... Serious question , how many agree ? slugger
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9:30pm Tue 23 Jul 13

FindAndDestroy says...

Agents make more money by moving players around than waiting to see their contracts through.
For us the fans, footy is a game to enjoy and fun to watch, unfortunately for others it means business and money, especially agents, they give the impression they are there for the player's interest, but the reality is they are there for their own.
Agents make more money by moving players around than waiting to see their contracts through. For us the fans, footy is a game to enjoy and fun to watch, unfortunately for others it means business and money, especially agents, they give the impression they are there for the player's interest, but the reality is they are there for their own. FindAndDestroy
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10:06pm Tue 23 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
slugger wrote:
In my world I support whoever pulls on the shirt (sorry to mention the shirt) , support is going to get a better result than criticism every day ..... Or does someone know better ?
No, Slugger. You called it right!
Absolutely.
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: In my world I support whoever pulls on the shirt (sorry to mention the shirt) , support is going to get a better result than criticism every day ..... Or does someone know better ?[/p][/quote]No, Slugger. You called it right![/p][/quote]Absolutely. OSPREYSAINT
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10:06pm Tue 23 Jul 13

el caballo santos101 says...

quote "His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving."

now I`m no expert but I don't think it maters how much money you throw at it or where you leave to, you cant prevent a death in the family. I think a few rich people have thrown money after money trying to prevent death and as far as I know not one of them has succeeded. try giving the guy a break and supporting him, you can say what you like on here but at the ground support him, it might just might help him turn in some class performances. what have you got to lose?
quote "His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving." now I`m no expert but I don't think it maters how much money you throw at it or where you leave to, you cant prevent a death in the family. I think a few rich people have thrown money after money trying to prevent death and as far as I know not one of them has succeeded. try giving the guy a break and supporting him, you can say what you like on here but at the ground support him, it might just might help him turn in some class performances. what have you got to lose? el caballo santos101
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10:17pm Tue 23 Jul 13

upwherewebelong says...

george chivers wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
But the only information comes from his agent, so how can you reach the conclusion that "he is clearly not committed to the cause?"
I did say "If this was true" meaning if HE and his agent are interested in finding him a team in Italy.

I also don't think from what I saw of him last year he was totally committed to the cause on the performances he put in. Especially the way he was sent off, with three crucial games to go. Not a taking one for the team foul. Just an act of pure petulance.

For me if he stays, he needs to fully commit and grow up. Steven Davies is a far less talented player with a great attitude. Gaston needs some of that attitude in his play.

Otherwise for me, he can go. I don't like Prima Donnas. He is/was our record signing. He doesn't deliver enough for the money we paid.

Shape up Gaston or Ship out!
Give the bloke a chance - how many South American players have come from a completely different culture to be an immediate success - not many

I can name a couple that had a bad first season to then come good - Juan Pablo-Angel - Aston Villa he looked awful then came good - Lucas at liverpool similarly - so George Chivers whilst some of what you think is fair in my opinion you shouldn't be so dismissive and give him this season when MP has had a close season & the pre-season to work with him to see what he can do. As for the sending-off I didn't and still haven;t seen it but I'm sure like me you've been guilty of making mistakes in your life so lets be reasonable and not question him over a lack of committment. You could argue it was because he was so frustrated we were losing playing so badly that tempers flared and he lost control. I say give him the benefit of the doubt until Christmas then judge how good he is
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]But the only information comes from his agent, so how can you reach the conclusion that "he is clearly not committed to the cause?"[/p][/quote]I did say "If this was true" meaning if HE and his agent are interested in finding him a team in Italy. I also don't think from what I saw of him last year he was totally committed to the cause on the performances he put in. Especially the way he was sent off, with three crucial games to go. Not a taking one for the team foul. Just an act of pure petulance. For me if he stays, he needs to fully commit and grow up. Steven Davies is a far less talented player with a great attitude. Gaston needs some of that attitude in his play. Otherwise for me, he can go. I don't like Prima Donnas. He is/was our record signing. He doesn't deliver enough for the money we paid. Shape up Gaston or Ship out![/p][/quote]Give the bloke a chance - how many South American players have come from a completely different culture to be an immediate success - not many I can name a couple that had a bad first season to then come good - Juan Pablo-Angel - Aston Villa he looked awful then came good - Lucas at liverpool similarly - so George Chivers whilst some of what you think is fair in my opinion you shouldn't be so dismissive and give him this season when MP has had a close season & the pre-season to work with him to see what he can do. As for the sending-off I didn't and still haven;t seen it but I'm sure like me you've been guilty of making mistakes in your life so lets be reasonable and not question him over a lack of committment. You could argue it was because he was so frustrated we were losing playing so badly that tempers flared and he lost control. I say give him the benefit of the doubt until Christmas then judge how good he is upwherewebelong
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10:21pm Tue 23 Jul 13

george chivers says...

slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
Bull !
Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him.

My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK.

If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.
Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .
Of course.

As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in.

I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life.
Have you ever considered that your support may be beneficial to a player ?
Not on a thread like this. I don't think for one moment he wastes his time reading the stuff supporters write on here. I wouldn't if I was a player.

At the ground he gets my support when he plays well. When he doesn't he gets silence.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]Bull ![/p][/quote]Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him. My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK. If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.[/p][/quote]Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .[/p][/quote]Of course. As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in. I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life.[/p][/quote]Have you ever considered that your support may be beneficial to a player ?[/p][/quote]Not on a thread like this. I don't think for one moment he wastes his time reading the stuff supporters write on here. I wouldn't if I was a player. At the ground he gets my support when he plays well. When he doesn't he gets silence. george chivers
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10:32pm Tue 23 Jul 13

george chivers says...

iow-is-red-and-white wrote:
george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
Bull !
Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him.

My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK.

If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.
How do you define £12.5m performance against £8m what's your rationale for that judgement?
Well I thought he delivered about 60% of what I expected him to deliver in terms of goals, assists and overall performance.

For me he underperformed given the fee we paid and the trouble we went to in signing him. And at times near the end of the season when he was shooting from distance a lot I thought he was playing for himself to score a spectacular goal rather than create a goalscoring opportunity for the team.

Perhaps something his agent could put on a video to hawk around Europe.
[quote][p][bold]iow-is-red-and-white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]Bull ![/p][/quote]Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him. My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK. If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.[/p][/quote]How do you define £12.5m performance against £8m what's your rationale for that judgement?[/p][/quote]Well I thought he delivered about 60% of what I expected him to deliver in terms of goals, assists and overall performance. For me he underperformed given the fee we paid and the trouble we went to in signing him. And at times near the end of the season when he was shooting from distance a lot I thought he was playing for himself to score a spectacular goal rather than create a goalscoring opportunity for the team. Perhaps something his agent could put on a video to hawk around Europe. george chivers
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10:45pm Tue 23 Jul 13

Baddesley Bill says...

george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
Bull !
Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him.

My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK.

If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.
Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .
Of course.

As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in.

I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life.
Have you ever considered that your support may be beneficial to a player ?
Not on a thread like this. I don't think for one moment he wastes his time reading the stuff supporters write on here. I wouldn't if I was a player.

At the ground he gets my support when he plays well. When he doesn't he gets silence.
Fair comment....

...just for the record, I think he still has to full justify his credentials for the Prem...and for the record...I think he will.

In the meantime, I am fully behind each and every Saint who marches on to the pitch on match day....and you can include the "usual suspects" of Fox and Guly in that! COYR
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]Bull ![/p][/quote]Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him. My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK. If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.[/p][/quote]Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .[/p][/quote]Of course. As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in. I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life.[/p][/quote]Have you ever considered that your support may be beneficial to a player ?[/p][/quote]Not on a thread like this. I don't think for one moment he wastes his time reading the stuff supporters write on here. I wouldn't if I was a player. At the ground he gets my support when he plays well. When he doesn't he gets silence.[/p][/quote]Fair comment.... ...just for the record, I think he still has to full justify his credentials for the Prem...and for the record...I think he will. In the meantime, I am fully behind each and every Saint who marches on to the pitch on match day....and you can include the "usual suspects" of Fox and Guly in that! COYR Baddesley Bill
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10:52pm Tue 23 Jul 13

business-guru says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
Bull !
Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him.

My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK.

If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.
Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .
Of course.

As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in.

I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life.
Have you ever considered that your support may be beneficial to a player ?
Not on a thread like this. I don't think for one moment he wastes his time reading the stuff supporters write on here. I wouldn't if I was a player.

At the ground he gets my support when he plays well. When he doesn't he gets silence.
Fair comment....

...just for the record, I think he still has to full justify his credentials for the Prem...and for the record...I think he will.

In the meantime, I am fully behind each and every Saint who marches on to the pitch on match day....and you can include the "usual suspects" of Fox and Guly in that! COYR
Fox was unlucky last season and over-exposed a lot of the time... he got a lot of unjustified flack imho...
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]Bull ![/p][/quote]Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him. My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK. If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.[/p][/quote]Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .[/p][/quote]Of course. As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in. I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life.[/p][/quote]Have you ever considered that your support may be beneficial to a player ?[/p][/quote]Not on a thread like this. I don't think for one moment he wastes his time reading the stuff supporters write on here. I wouldn't if I was a player. At the ground he gets my support when he plays well. When he doesn't he gets silence.[/p][/quote]Fair comment.... ...just for the record, I think he still has to full justify his credentials for the Prem...and for the record...I think he will. In the meantime, I am fully behind each and every Saint who marches on to the pitch on match day....and you can include the "usual suspects" of Fox and Guly in that! COYR[/p][/quote]Fox was unlucky last season and over-exposed a lot of the time... he got a lot of unjustified flack imho... business-guru
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4:50am Wed 24 Jul 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
Bull !
Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him.

My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK.

If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.
Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .
Of course.

As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in.

I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life.
Well said! You can support the club but still think a player is rubbish. It's dumb when the happy clappers get upset when sb points out that a player is not up to it. Do Prado and Fox were completely out of their depth last season, and like it or not most fans want them sold. That's the reality, but some fans want to bury there heads in the sand and pretend that if the player is wearing our crest it's good enough....No it's not! They have to be good enough to wear it.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]Bull ![/p][/quote]Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him. My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK. If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.[/p][/quote]Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .[/p][/quote]Of course. As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in. I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life.[/p][/quote]Well said! You can support the club but still think a player is rubbish. It's dumb when the happy clappers get upset when sb points out that a player is not up to it. Do Prado and Fox were completely out of their depth last season, and like it or not most fans want them sold. That's the reality, but some fans want to bury there heads in the sand and pretend that if the player is wearing our crest it's good enough....No it's not! They have to be good enough to wear it. Bring back Branfoot
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7:44am Wed 24 Jul 13

Buddy SFC says...

george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
Bull !
Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him.

My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK.

If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.
RVP took a while to settle with As@nal , Agents B@llshit stiring for a pay day .......he will be a quality player, I hope he settles and performs as I believe he can for SFC ....................
....
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]Bull ![/p][/quote]Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him. My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK. If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.[/p][/quote]RVP took a while to settle with As@nal , Agents B@llshit stiring for a pay day .......he will be a quality player, I hope he settles and performs as I believe he can for SFC .................... .... Buddy SFC
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8:40am Wed 24 Jul 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
you think he reacted? seriously?

he was being pulled all over the place by another player and raised his arm. The fact that it happened to catch the other player in the face is unfortunate. Was the ref right? Well I don't think so to be honest however I wasn't the bloke on the pitch making the decisions so the card stands.

Was it an act of petulant violence from Ramirez? No. He wasn't even looking at the player he was just trying to play the ball. The fact that the other player behaved as if Ramirez had punched him as hard as possible was what got the red. Frankly this is on the same level as the **** play acting you see all the time in football games and it really really winds me up.
To see full grown men collapse to the floor like they've just been pole-axed and then proceed to roll around waving their arms in the air and screaming for mummy is the one thing that really hacks me off about football in the modern era.

It is cheating. f*ck any other description of it. it is cheating plain and simple - attempting to influence the outcome of the game by unfair means. I truly wish for a TMO in football so that incidents could be reviewed and dealt with properly. With modern technology you see the replay instantly anyway so it wouldn't unduly delay the game.
God I would have LOVED to have seen that cheating c*nt Rivaldo or any of the others try to pull the bullsh*t crap they did in those world cups if a TMO was in use.

Rant over.
Going back to Ramirez - he raised his arm. it was NOT deliberate and to colour his whole season based on that one incident is foolish and incredibly shortsighted.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]you think he reacted? seriously? he was being pulled all over the place by another player and raised his arm. The fact that it happened to catch the other player in the face is unfortunate. Was the ref right? Well I don't think so to be honest however I wasn't the bloke on the pitch making the decisions so the card stands. Was it an act of petulant violence from Ramirez? No. He wasn't even looking at the player he was just trying to play the ball. The fact that the other player behaved as if Ramirez had punched him as hard as possible was what got the red. Frankly this is on the same level as the **** play acting you see all the time in football games and it really really winds me up. To see full grown men collapse to the floor like they've just been pole-axed and then proceed to roll around waving their arms in the air and screaming for mummy is the one thing that really hacks me off about football in the modern era. It is cheating. f*ck any other description of it. it is cheating plain and simple - attempting to influence the outcome of the game by unfair means. I truly wish for a TMO in football so that incidents could be reviewed and dealt with properly. With modern technology you see the replay instantly anyway so it wouldn't unduly delay the game. God I would have LOVED to have seen that cheating c*nt Rivaldo or any of the others try to pull the bullsh*t crap they did in those world cups if a TMO was in use. Rant over. Going back to Ramirez - he raised his arm. it was NOT deliberate and to colour his whole season based on that one incident is foolish and incredibly shortsighted. Stroppy_gramps
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9:10am Wed 24 Jul 13

george chivers says...

We will have to beg to differ over his arm.

But that aside, I still don't think he has done enough to justify his fee and the expectation set by the Club, to the fans, when we signed him. This is the main part of my argument to let him go, assuming we can get the right fee. Not the Arm incident. And my belief is, if we keep him, he will under perform again because to me, he looks like a player who doesn't want to be a Southampton player. He wants to be at a club with a bigger name.

I also think Jay Rod under performed in terms of what we paid for him. But I do think he will fulfill his potential for us, especially if, as next season progresses, he starts games in the striking position, where I think he has a lot to offer. Especially pace and close control while running with the ball and the ability to score.

Rather than in an inside left position which doesn't get the best out of him.

Showing my age there.
We will have to beg to differ over his arm. But that aside, I still don't think he has done enough to justify his fee and the expectation set by the Club, to the fans, when we signed him. This is the main part of my argument to let him go, assuming we can get the right fee. Not the Arm incident. And my belief is, if we keep him, he will under perform again because to me, he looks like a player who doesn't want to be a Southampton player. He wants to be at a club with a bigger name. I also think Jay Rod under performed in terms of what we paid for him. But I do think he will fulfill his potential for us, especially if, as next season progresses, he starts games in the striking position, where I think he has a lot to offer. Especially pace and close control while running with the ball and the ability to score. Rather than in an inside left position which doesn't get the best out of him. Showing my age there. george chivers
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10:58am Wed 24 Jul 13

Scarborosaint says...

Would be true to day gaston did not set the world alight last season but showed flashes of what he can do. He will be stronger and fitter with a good pre-season behind him , a better understanding of this country and what the premiership entails. He is young , has lots of potential and although we may of paid over the odds for him , I think he will play a bigger part this season .
Would be true to day gaston did not set the world alight last season but showed flashes of what he can do. He will be stronger and fitter with a good pre-season behind him , a better understanding of this country and what the premiership entails. He is young , has lots of potential and although we may of paid over the odds for him , I think he will play a bigger part this season . Scarborosaint
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11:37am Wed 24 Jul 13

business-guru says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
slugger wrote:
george chivers wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.
B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition.
I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges.
Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!!
Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt.

For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's
any more.

If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough.

Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL.

His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.
Bull !
Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him.

My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK.

If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.
Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .
Of course.

As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in.

I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life.
Well said! You can support the club but still think a player is rubbish. It's dumb when the happy clappers get upset when sb points out that a player is not up to it. Do Prado and Fox were completely out of their depth last season, and like it or not most fans want them sold. That's the reality, but some fans want to bury there heads in the sand and pretend that if the player is wearing our crest it's good enough....No it's not! They have to be good enough to wear it.
but it can be more deep than that. Some players are "up to it" with better players around them. However when exposed they look bad. I am not defending players in this situation, just pointing out that some "bigger" clubs have players at the back and in the middle who get more protection from other players and have to do less , and as a result their stats look much better. Fox a case in point. I lost count last season when he to decide which of two loose players to mark....He may not be the world's best but some of the critisism aimed at him was blinkered. As for Guly, he did not really feature last season so we don't know if he is up to it....
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Good. If this is true he is clearly not committed to the cause. Sell him and buy someone who is. For me he is highly talented, sulky, inconsistent and temperamental. His sending off at the end of last season and his frequent long range shooting showed his was playing for himself and not the team.[/p][/quote]B**L S**T George, the sending off was harsh and he had been pulled and tugged by the opposition. I don't see him as sulky or temperamental at all . It aint easy moving from one country to another and he had some personal challenges. Give him a break I reckon he will pay off!![/p][/quote]Yes he was being pulled and tugged by the opposition. But he reacted by elbowing the player who pulled his shirt. For me that is petulant and temperamental and he did it at a time when we still had a threat of relegation against us. You can't elbow people and stay on the park these days if they pull your shirt. You can swear and shout for a free kick but that is all. It's not the 70's and 80's any more. If he doesn't know that, then he isn't professional enough. Good player with a lot of potential but... I wouldn't be upset to see him go. I don't think he will fulfill his potential with us or in the PL. His performances over a season aren't proportional to the fee we paid for him. If he has personal challenges or issues he should get over them. No doubt he is paid enough to throw some money at them. Whatever they are. Or solve them by leaving.[/p][/quote]Bull ![/p][/quote]Just a genuine opinion. Not Bull. I watched him all last season at home and I thought for a £12.5 M player he delivered at about £8M. Which for me wasn't good enough. I expected more from him given the effort the club put in to sign him. My view is, I think he would perform up to his potential away from the UK. If he stays and I am wrong. That's great for the club. But currently based on last season that is my view.[/p][/quote]Which you're entitled to ..... of course it goes hand in hand that I'm also entitled to mine and I stand by it .[/p][/quote]Of course. As for criticism, I think if you put money into the club, then you are allowed to criticise the quality of the performance of the players who provide the entertainment you pay for. As you would for any other product or service. If football was an exception to that rule the same number of people would turn each week regardless of the league position or league a team was playing in. I believe in support but not in blind faith support or going along with the majority for an easy life.[/p][/quote]Well said! You can support the club but still think a player is rubbish. It's dumb when the happy clappers get upset when sb points out that a player is not up to it. Do Prado and Fox were completely out of their depth last season, and like it or not most fans want them sold. That's the reality, but some fans want to bury there heads in the sand and pretend that if the player is wearing our crest it's good enough....No it's not! They have to be good enough to wear it.[/p][/quote]but it can be more deep than that. Some players are "up to it" with better players around them. However when exposed they look bad. I am not defending players in this situation, just pointing out that some "bigger" clubs have players at the back and in the middle who get more protection from other players and have to do less , and as a result their stats look much better. Fox a case in point. I lost count last season when he to decide which of two loose players to mark....He may not be the world's best but some of the critisism aimed at him was blinkered. As for Guly, he did not really feature last season so we don't know if he is up to it.... business-guru
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12:49pm Wed 24 Jul 13

Beer Monster says...

sarfhamton wrote:
IF IF IF IF
THEN THEN THEN THEN ELSE ELSE ELSE ELSE

I'm not bored at work, honest...
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: IF IF IF IF[/p][/quote]THEN THEN THEN THEN ELSE ELSE ELSE ELSE I'm not bored at work, honest... Beer Monster
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