J-Rod: defeats will do us good

Daily Echo: Jay Rodriguez (centre, left) celebrates with his teammate Dani Osvaldo (centre, right) after scoring after just 13 seconds against Chelsea. Jay Rodriguez (centre, left) celebrates with his teammate Dani Osvaldo (centre, right) after scoring after just 13 seconds against Chelsea.

Jay Rodriguez believes the defeats against Arsenal and Chelsea will turn Saints into a better team.

Mauricio Pochettino’s side lost back-to-back games for the first time this season, as they were beaten 3-1 at Stamford Bridge.

The result followed their 2-0 setback at the Emirates Stadium a week earlier, and has knocked them down to seventh in the Premier League table.

Rodriguez, however, says the club’s last two matches will benefit the team in the long run, and he stressed that confidence has not been dented.

“We’ve got an inner belief in our team,” he said. “We’ve got the team spirit to bounce back.

“I think the defeats will improve us as a team. I think we’ll look at the negatives and the positives and take it into the game on Wednesday (at home to Aston Villa).

“That’s the way we work. We’ll just keep positive and look to get three points on Wednesday.”

Rodriguez had fired Saints into the lead after just 13 seconds at Stamford Bridge, latching onto Michael Essien’s terrible backpass and slotting the ball past Petr Cech.

The visitors held the advantage until the second half, but were comfortably beaten in the end, as the Blues rallied through goals from Gary Cahill, John Terry and Demba Ba.

“Obviously, we’re all disappointed,” said Rodriguez.

“We wanted to keep the lead and improve on it, and I think with the goals we gave away we’re obviously going to be disappointed.”

Speaking of his own strike, Rodriguez added: “It just came (to me) and I thought the keeper was going to come out, but he took a step back and I’ve gone to put it in and luckily it went in the net.

“I was obviously really chuffed, but we’re disappointed with losing.”

Rodriguez admitted that Saints had lacked a bit of cutting edge in the final third, and missed opportunities to create what might have been a decisive second goal when they had the lead.

“That’s one of the things we’ll look at,” he said. “I think we had chances to go and create another chance and another goalscoring opportunity, but the last pass was maybe just off.

“It’s something to look at and try and improve for the next game.”

Saints lost Artur Boruc and Morgan Schneiderlin to injury at Chelsea and the depth of their squad is likely to be well tested over the coming weeks, with six games still to play this month.

But Rodriguez says he is sure they will have enough to cope with the demanding schedule.

“It was obviously a shame seeing the two lads go off the field, but I thought the lads who came in did brilliant,” he said. “We’ve got a good enough squad. The lads who aren’t playing are brilliant, so it’s always good to see them come on as well.”

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10:05am Mon 2 Dec 13

mbetts says...

2 loses away at Chelsea and Arsenal is nothing to be ashamed of, I just hope we haven't lost the self confidence that has been escalating this season, Wednesdays visit of Villa is probably our most important game of the season.
2 loses away at Chelsea and Arsenal is nothing to be ashamed of, I just hope we haven't lost the self confidence that has been escalating this season, Wednesdays visit of Villa is probably our most important game of the season. mbetts

10:05am Mon 2 Dec 13

Egomaniac says...

What a great attitude! There is no doubt in my mind that the two games against Arsenal and Chelsea clearly indicate that we do not have the strength and depth to compete on a level playing field (excuse the pun) with the top clubs just yet.

Nevertheless the progress that has been made over the last two years is phenomenal by any standard, and I am really proud to be a Saints fan.

Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City have huge resources and 'top of the range' players. Just look at their respective benches each week! Even so, there we are up in the top ten, with all the pundits heaping praise on our style of play and commitment.

Our biggest problem at the moment is the inability to score goals. Osvaldo and Ramirez just haven't cut the ice, and `I think if we are to continue to progress, they will eventually have to be replaced with a couple of predatory strikers. We need a Ramsey/Suarez/Sturri
dge style of player up front. Then we would be unstoppable.

But as I said earlier - no worries just yet - just proud to be Saints fan.
What a great attitude! There is no doubt in my mind that the two games against Arsenal and Chelsea clearly indicate that we do not have the strength and depth to compete on a level playing field (excuse the pun) with the top clubs just yet. Nevertheless the progress that has been made over the last two years is phenomenal by any standard, and I am really proud to be a Saints fan. Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City have huge resources and 'top of the range' players. Just look at their respective benches each week! Even so, there we are up in the top ten, with all the pundits heaping praise on our style of play and commitment. Our biggest problem at the moment is the inability to score goals. Osvaldo and Ramirez just haven't cut the ice, and `I think if we are to continue to progress, they will eventually have to be replaced with a couple of predatory strikers. We need a Ramsey/Suarez/Sturri dge style of player up front. Then we would be unstoppable. But as I said earlier - no worries just yet - just proud to be Saints fan. Egomaniac

10:09am Mon 2 Dec 13

mbetts says...

Egomaniac wrote:
What a great attitude! There is no doubt in my mind that the two games against Arsenal and Chelsea clearly indicate that we do not have the strength and depth to compete on a level playing field (excuse the pun) with the top clubs just yet.

Nevertheless the progress that has been made over the last two years is phenomenal by any standard, and I am really proud to be a Saints fan.

Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City have huge resources and 'top of the range' players. Just look at their respective benches each week! Even so, there we are up in the top ten, with all the pundits heaping praise on our style of play and commitment.

Our biggest problem at the moment is the inability to score goals. Osvaldo and Ramirez just haven't cut the ice, and `I think if we are to continue to progress, they will eventually have to be replaced with a couple of predatory strikers. We need a Ramsey/Suarez/Sturri

dge style of player up front. Then we would be unstoppable.

But as I said earlier - no worries just yet - just proud to be Saints fan.
Jermaine Defoe?
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: What a great attitude! There is no doubt in my mind that the two games against Arsenal and Chelsea clearly indicate that we do not have the strength and depth to compete on a level playing field (excuse the pun) with the top clubs just yet. Nevertheless the progress that has been made over the last two years is phenomenal by any standard, and I am really proud to be a Saints fan. Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City have huge resources and 'top of the range' players. Just look at their respective benches each week! Even so, there we are up in the top ten, with all the pundits heaping praise on our style of play and commitment. Our biggest problem at the moment is the inability to score goals. Osvaldo and Ramirez just haven't cut the ice, and `I think if we are to continue to progress, they will eventually have to be replaced with a couple of predatory strikers. We need a Ramsey/Suarez/Sturri dge style of player up front. Then we would be unstoppable. But as I said earlier - no worries just yet - just proud to be Saints fan.[/p][/quote]Jermaine Defoe? mbetts

10:14am Mon 2 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

mbetts wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
What a great attitude! There is no doubt in my mind that the two games against Arsenal and Chelsea clearly indicate that we do not have the strength and depth to compete on a level playing field (excuse the pun) with the top clubs just yet.

Nevertheless the progress that has been made over the last two years is phenomenal by any standard, and I am really proud to be a Saints fan.

Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City have huge resources and 'top of the range' players. Just look at their respective benches each week! Even so, there we are up in the top ten, with all the pundits heaping praise on our style of play and commitment.

Our biggest problem at the moment is the inability to score goals. Osvaldo and Ramirez just haven't cut the ice, and `I think if we are to continue to progress, they will eventually have to be replaced with a couple of predatory strikers. We need a Ramsey/Suarez/Sturri


dge style of player up front. Then we would be unstoppable.

But as I said earlier - no worries just yet - just proud to be Saints fan.
Jermaine Defoe?
JD is said to be moving the United States in January, good player but may be too old to come to us now, doesn't fit the pattern.
[quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: What a great attitude! There is no doubt in my mind that the two games against Arsenal and Chelsea clearly indicate that we do not have the strength and depth to compete on a level playing field (excuse the pun) with the top clubs just yet. Nevertheless the progress that has been made over the last two years is phenomenal by any standard, and I am really proud to be a Saints fan. Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City have huge resources and 'top of the range' players. Just look at their respective benches each week! Even so, there we are up in the top ten, with all the pundits heaping praise on our style of play and commitment. Our biggest problem at the moment is the inability to score goals. Osvaldo and Ramirez just haven't cut the ice, and `I think if we are to continue to progress, they will eventually have to be replaced with a couple of predatory strikers. We need a Ramsey/Suarez/Sturri dge style of player up front. Then we would be unstoppable. But as I said earlier - no worries just yet - just proud to be Saints fan.[/p][/quote]Jermaine Defoe?[/p][/quote]JD is said to be moving the United States in January, good player but may be too old to come to us now, doesn't fit the pattern. OSPREYSAINT

10:17am Mon 2 Dec 13

jls217 says...

As pros we would expect you to learn from mistakes. The simple fact is we were beaten by two superior sides and they won't be the last. There is a lack of depth to our squad that the big boys in the league are never going to suffer from as long as the money laundering, tax dodging owners are allowed to get away with their suspect activities to fund their playthings and just sign a cheque to make the home draws go away. Saints cannot (nor should we desire to) play to those rules. We have a promising young side, well led and well organized. Every now and again we will find a gem in our youth set up who has what it takes to step up, every now and again we will find a bargain signing in a lower league who will surprise us all. Every now and again we will find someone elses cast off who we can squeeze a useful season out of. Every now and again we will find a real star at the end of his contract or in need of a challenge. This is what Saints does well and is getting better at under the current management team. I doubt we will ever fork out 30mill or more for any player or pay 100k plus for that priviledge. That is why those clubs which do not have our high ethical standards will frequently do to us what Chelsea just did. They slapped the little upstart back into the box and showed us what it's going to take to compete with the giants of the industry. We'd better get used to it. I don't want JRod, Adam or any of the youngsters becoming as jaundiced and cynical as some of the play I saw from certain Chelsea players. Saints have an energetic honesty about their play and it's all about desire and energy and skill and that I will pay to watch. If our lads could become ultra pros without losing what I want to see from them - great. I don't want them learning the lessons that the big money teams seem to be mired in. Just saying.......
As pros we would expect you to learn from mistakes. The simple fact is we were beaten by two superior sides and they won't be the last. There is a lack of depth to our squad that the big boys in the league are never going to suffer from as long as the money laundering, tax dodging owners are allowed to get away with their suspect activities to fund their playthings and just sign a cheque to make the home draws go away. Saints cannot (nor should we desire to) play to those rules. We have a promising young side, well led and well organized. Every now and again we will find a gem in our youth set up who has what it takes to step up, every now and again we will find a bargain signing in a lower league who will surprise us all. Every now and again we will find someone elses cast off who we can squeeze a useful season out of. Every now and again we will find a real star at the end of his contract or in need of a challenge. This is what Saints does well and is getting better at under the current management team. I doubt we will ever fork out 30mill or more for any player or pay 100k plus for that priviledge. That is why those clubs which do not have our high ethical standards will frequently do to us what Chelsea just did. They slapped the little upstart back into the box and showed us what it's going to take to compete with the giants of the industry. We'd better get used to it. I don't want JRod, Adam or any of the youngsters becoming as jaundiced and cynical as some of the play I saw from certain Chelsea players. Saints have an energetic honesty about their play and it's all about desire and energy and skill and that I will pay to watch. If our lads could become ultra pros without losing what I want to see from them - great. I don't want them learning the lessons that the big money teams seem to be mired in. Just saying....... jls217

11:29am Mon 2 Dec 13

Southampton boy says...

I have said in the past tat I did not believe we had it in depth the last two games shows just that, as Egomaniac rightly said we have two players for me are just not cutting it for use Osvaldo and Ramirez, Osvaldo played Sunday and after watching the game my grandson asked me what did he do, all I saw him do was to give the balll away too many times like Ramirez, they both seem to need that extra touch before playing the ball its time you don't get in the Prem.
But what i do believe is that on this game we did not turn up for the second half we let Chelsea call the shots in the second half.
My biggest concern is goal keeper? for the next 6 weeks can Nig/Davis pick up from AB stil will be there Wednesday and hoping for 3 points and again on Sat-day when we see off Man City so 6 ponits please to put us back in top 6 COYR's
I have said in the past tat I did not believe we had it in depth the last two games shows just that, as Egomaniac rightly said we have two players for me are just not cutting it for use Osvaldo and Ramirez, Osvaldo played Sunday and after watching the game my grandson asked me what did he do, all I saw him do was to give the balll away too many times like Ramirez, they both seem to need that extra touch before playing the ball its time you don't get in the Prem. But what i do believe is that on this game we did not turn up for the second half we let Chelsea call the shots in the second half. My biggest concern is goal keeper? for the next 6 weeks can Nig/Davis pick up from AB stil will be there Wednesday and hoping for 3 points and again on Sat-day when we see off Man City so 6 ponits please to put us back in top 6 COYR's Southampton boy

12:02pm Mon 2 Dec 13

sasmike says...

Osvaldo and Ramirez RUN AROUND LIKE HEADLESS CHICKENS, 30 million return in January,, would be good to move them on
Osvaldo and Ramirez RUN AROUND LIKE HEADLESS CHICKENS, 30 million return in January,, would be good to move them on sasmike

12:10pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Folkestone Saint says...

I don't think the ref helped, Cahill should have gone for the elbow, how ramirez did not get booked beggars belief, in fact Chelsea knew they could do what they liked and did, it's not like the ref had forgotten his cards as he booked our players for far less. very poor show from him.
I don't think the ref helped, Cahill should have gone for the elbow, how ramirez did not get booked beggars belief, in fact Chelsea knew they could do what they liked and did, it's not like the ref had forgotten his cards as he booked our players for far less. very poor show from him. Folkestone Saint

12:12pm Mon 2 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Southampton boy wrote:
I have said in the past tat I did not believe we had it in depth the last two games shows just that, as Egomaniac rightly said we have two players for me are just not cutting it for use Osvaldo and Ramirez, Osvaldo played Sunday and after watching the game my grandson asked me what did he do, all I saw him do was to give the balll away too many times like Ramirez, they both seem to need that extra touch before playing the ball its time you don't get in the Prem.
But what i do believe is that on this game we did not turn up for the second half we let Chelsea call the shots in the second half.
My biggest concern is goal keeper? for the next 6 weeks can Nig/Davis pick up from AB stil will be there Wednesday and hoping for 3 points and again on Sat-day when we see off Man City so 6 ponits please to put us back in top 6 COYR's
Isn't it a shame that you were right, most of us were confident that we could do better and are now totally disillusioned and will probably throw in the towel.
[quote][p][bold]Southampton boy[/bold] wrote: I have said in the past tat I did not believe we had it in depth the last two games shows just that, as Egomaniac rightly said we have two players for me are just not cutting it for use Osvaldo and Ramirez, Osvaldo played Sunday and after watching the game my grandson asked me what did he do, all I saw him do was to give the balll away too many times like Ramirez, they both seem to need that extra touch before playing the ball its time you don't get in the Prem. But what i do believe is that on this game we did not turn up for the second half we let Chelsea call the shots in the second half. My biggest concern is goal keeper? for the next 6 weeks can Nig/Davis pick up from AB stil will be there Wednesday and hoping for 3 points and again on Sat-day when we see off Man City so 6 ponits please to put us back in top 6 COYR's[/p][/quote]Isn't it a shame that you were right, most of us were confident that we could do better and are now totally disillusioned and will probably throw in the towel. OSPREYSAINT

12:15pm Mon 2 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
I don't think the ref helped, Cahill should have gone for the elbow, how ramirez did not get booked beggars belief, in fact Chelsea knew they could do what they liked and did, it's not like the ref had forgotten his cards as he booked our players for far less. very poor show from him.
Ramires should have been carded, Ramirez wasn't even on the bench. I was watching the game and never noticed Lalla getting his card.
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: I don't think the ref helped, Cahill should have gone for the elbow, how ramirez did not get booked beggars belief, in fact Chelsea knew they could do what they liked and did, it's not like the ref had forgotten his cards as he booked our players for far less. very poor show from him.[/p][/quote]Ramires should have been carded, Ramirez wasn't even on the bench. I was watching the game and never noticed Lalla getting his card. OSPREYSAINT

1:14pm Mon 2 Dec 13

notaclue says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
I don't think the ref helped, Cahill should have gone for the elbow, how ramirez did not get booked beggars belief, in fact Chelsea knew they could do what they liked and did, it's not like the ref had forgotten his cards as he booked our players for far less. very poor show from him.
Ramires should have been carded, Ramirez wasn't even on the bench. I was watching the game and never noticed Lalla getting his card.
That's the Chelea man of the match Ramires he is on about NOT Gaston Ramires.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: I don't think the ref helped, Cahill should have gone for the elbow, how ramirez did not get booked beggars belief, in fact Chelsea knew they could do what they liked and did, it's not like the ref had forgotten his cards as he booked our players for far less. very poor show from him.[/p][/quote]Ramires should have been carded, Ramirez wasn't even on the bench. I was watching the game and never noticed Lalla getting his card.[/p][/quote]That's the Chelea man of the match Ramires he is on about NOT Gaston Ramires. notaclue

1:44pm Mon 2 Dec 13

notaclue says...

Haven't seen the stats but I can only remember one shot on target from Saints and that was in the first 20 seconds. We need a player that can come on and change things, gives us different options up front.
Jose M worked us out well in advance, tire us out first half, then play two up front with some fresh legs second half, play the long ball up to them and cut out our attack and midfield, dont play through us play over us, job done!
We stuck with plan "A" when plan "A" was not workting, our goal was a gift after all, I have not seen a plan "B" from Saints but we better have one by Jan1st when we play Chelsea again, this is when we will find out how good a tactician MoPo is and how good our squad is, I have faith .... (longterm)
Haven't seen the stats but I can only remember one shot on target from Saints and that was in the first 20 seconds. We need a player that can come on and change things, gives us different options up front. Jose M worked us out well in advance, tire us out first half, then play two up front with some fresh legs second half, play the long ball up to them and cut out our attack and midfield, dont play through us play over us, job done! We stuck with plan "A" when plan "A" was not workting, our goal was a gift after all, I have not seen a plan "B" from Saints but we better have one by Jan1st when we play Chelsea again, this is when we will find out how good a tactician MoPo is and how good our squad is, I have faith .... (longterm) notaclue

2:04pm Mon 2 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

notaclue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
I don't think the ref helped, Cahill should have gone for the elbow, how ramirez did not get booked beggars belief, in fact Chelsea knew they could do what they liked and did, it's not like the ref had forgotten his cards as he booked our players for far less. very poor show from him.
Ramires should have been carded, Ramirez wasn't even on the bench. I was watching the game and never noticed Lalla getting his card.
That's the Chelea man of the match Ramires he is on about NOT Gaston Ramires.
Chelea? Gaston Ramires, you are deliberately getting it wrong to wind up the Grammar and Spelling Police, stop it at once.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: I don't think the ref helped, Cahill should have gone for the elbow, how ramirez did not get booked beggars belief, in fact Chelsea knew they could do what they liked and did, it's not like the ref had forgotten his cards as he booked our players for far less. very poor show from him.[/p][/quote]Ramires should have been carded, Ramirez wasn't even on the bench. I was watching the game and never noticed Lalla getting his card.[/p][/quote]That's the Chelea man of the match Ramires he is on about NOT Gaston Ramires.[/p][/quote]Chelea? Gaston Ramires, you are deliberately getting it wrong to wind up the Grammar and Spelling Police, stop it at once. OSPREYSAINT

3:15pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Saintsayer II says...

mbetts wrote:
Egomaniac wrote:
What a great attitude! There is no doubt in my mind that the two games against Arsenal and Chelsea clearly indicate that we do not have the strength and depth to compete on a level playing field (excuse the pun) with the top clubs just yet.

Nevertheless the progress that has been made over the last two years is phenomenal by any standard, and I am really proud to be a Saints fan.

Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City have huge resources and 'top of the range' players. Just look at their respective benches each week! Even so, there we are up in the top ten, with all the pundits heaping praise on our style of play and commitment.

Our biggest problem at the moment is the inability to score goals. Osvaldo and Ramirez just haven't cut the ice, and `I think if we are to continue to progress, they will eventually have to be replaced with a couple of predatory strikers. We need a Ramsey/Suarez/Sturri


dge style of player up front. Then we would be unstoppable.

But as I said earlier - no worries just yet - just proud to be Saints fan.
Jermaine Defoe?
Hernandez from man Utd He's just abench warmer there
[quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: What a great attitude! There is no doubt in my mind that the two games against Arsenal and Chelsea clearly indicate that we do not have the strength and depth to compete on a level playing field (excuse the pun) with the top clubs just yet. Nevertheless the progress that has been made over the last two years is phenomenal by any standard, and I am really proud to be a Saints fan. Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City have huge resources and 'top of the range' players. Just look at their respective benches each week! Even so, there we are up in the top ten, with all the pundits heaping praise on our style of play and commitment. Our biggest problem at the moment is the inability to score goals. Osvaldo and Ramirez just haven't cut the ice, and `I think if we are to continue to progress, they will eventually have to be replaced with a couple of predatory strikers. We need a Ramsey/Suarez/Sturri dge style of player up front. Then we would be unstoppable. But as I said earlier - no worries just yet - just proud to be Saints fan.[/p][/quote]Jermaine Defoe?[/p][/quote]Hernandez from man Utd He's just abench warmer there Saintsayer II

3:24pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Saintsayer II says...

notaclue wrote:
Haven't seen the stats but I can only remember one shot on target from Saints and that was in the first 20 seconds. We need a player that can come on and change things, gives us different options up front.
Jose M worked us out well in advance, tire us out first half, then play two up front with some fresh legs second half, play the long ball up to them and cut out our attack and midfield, dont play through us play over us, job done!
We stuck with plan "A" when plan "A" was not workting, our goal was a gift after all, I have not seen a plan "B" from Saints but we better have one by Jan1st when we play Chelsea again, this is when we will find out how good a tactician MoPo is and how good our squad is, I have faith .... (longterm)
Exactly right JM and Arsen the week before They are probably the 2 best coaches in the PL and they do have some top talent in thier squads as well
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: Haven't seen the stats but I can only remember one shot on target from Saints and that was in the first 20 seconds. We need a player that can come on and change things, gives us different options up front. Jose M worked us out well in advance, tire us out first half, then play two up front with some fresh legs second half, play the long ball up to them and cut out our attack and midfield, dont play through us play over us, job done! We stuck with plan "A" when plan "A" was not workting, our goal was a gift after all, I have not seen a plan "B" from Saints but we better have one by Jan1st when we play Chelsea again, this is when we will find out how good a tactician MoPo is and how good our squad is, I have faith .... (longterm)[/p][/quote]Exactly right JM and Arsen the week before They are probably the 2 best coaches in the PL and they do have some top talent in thier squads as well Saintsayer II

4:29pm Mon 2 Dec 13

el caballo santos101 says...

notaclue wrote:
Haven't seen the stats but I can only remember one shot on target from Saints and that was in the first 20 seconds. We need a player that can come on and change things, gives us different options up front.
Jose M worked us out well in advance, tire us out first half, then play two up front with some fresh legs second half, play the long ball up to them and cut out our attack and midfield, dont play through us play over us, job done!
We stuck with plan "A" when plan "A" was not workting, our goal was a gift after all, I have not seen a plan "B" from Saints but we better have one by Jan1st when we play Chelsea again, this is when we will find out how good a tactician MoPo is and how good our squad is, I have faith .... (longterm)
is that the same Jose who said after the game that he brought lumpard on just before half time because he had to shore up his team? saying "It was important not to panic and keep the emotional balance"
I don't think its a case of `working us out` because every manager could see what chelski did and do the same. our players didn't have a great game even in the first half, how many poor crosses, corners and free kicks did JWP put in yesterday? probably more than the rest of the season combined. lalla didn't have a great game either and despite playing three up front they didn't work well together with Osvaldo often left without support. we had an off day and that's not all because of chelski.
as for sticking to plan A and having no plan B we did change formation in the second half and played two main strikers upfront, similar to what chelski did, and played j-rod and lalla more on the wings. that brought us back into the game until their 3rd goal killed the game off.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: Haven't seen the stats but I can only remember one shot on target from Saints and that was in the first 20 seconds. We need a player that can come on and change things, gives us different options up front. Jose M worked us out well in advance, tire us out first half, then play two up front with some fresh legs second half, play the long ball up to them and cut out our attack and midfield, dont play through us play over us, job done! We stuck with plan "A" when plan "A" was not workting, our goal was a gift after all, I have not seen a plan "B" from Saints but we better have one by Jan1st when we play Chelsea again, this is when we will find out how good a tactician MoPo is and how good our squad is, I have faith .... (longterm)[/p][/quote]is that the same Jose who said after the game that he brought lumpard on just before half time because he had to shore up his team? saying "It was important not to panic and keep the emotional balance" I don't think its a case of `working us out` because every manager could see what chelski did and do the same. our players didn't have a great game even in the first half, how many poor crosses, corners and free kicks did JWP put in yesterday? probably more than the rest of the season combined. lalla didn't have a great game either and despite playing three up front they didn't work well together with Osvaldo often left without support. we had an off day and that's not all because of chelski. as for sticking to plan A and having no plan B we did change formation in the second half and played two main strikers upfront, similar to what chelski did, and played j-rod and lalla more on the wings. that brought us back into the game until their 3rd goal killed the game off. el caballo santos101

5:15pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Clausentum Saint says...

Hey,this result is not a problem in the big scheme of things,we,the Saints,are going to the top and there will be no stopping us. MP has only been in charge for a short period he is still adapting to the Prem. Chelsea had to revert to long ball tactics to set up their chances because they could not match us on the ground,we just have to adjust our style and hey presto we will be back up there,love it,love it,love it.
Hey,this result is not a problem in the big scheme of things,we,the Saints,are going to the top and there will be no stopping us. MP has only been in charge for a short period he is still adapting to the Prem. Chelsea had to revert to long ball tactics to set up their chances because they could not match us on the ground,we just have to adjust our style and hey presto we will be back up there,love it,love it,love it. Clausentum Saint

5:52pm Mon 2 Dec 13

notaclue says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Haven't seen the stats but I can only remember one shot on target from Saints and that was in the first 20 seconds. We need a player that can come on and change things, gives us different options up front.
Jose M worked us out well in advance, tire us out first half, then play two up front with some fresh legs second half, play the long ball up to them and cut out our attack and midfield, dont play through us play over us, job done!
We stuck with plan "A" when plan "A" was not workting, our goal was a gift after all, I have not seen a plan "B" from Saints but we better have one by Jan1st when we play Chelsea again, this is when we will find out how good a tactician MoPo is and how good our squad is, I have faith .... (longterm)
is that the same Jose who said after the game that he brought lumpard on just before half time because he had to shore up his team? saying "It was important not to panic and keep the emotional balance"
I don't think its a case of `working us out` because every manager could see what chelski did and do the same. our players didn't have a great game even in the first half, how many poor crosses, corners and free kicks did JWP put in yesterday? probably more than the rest of the season combined. lalla didn't have a great game either and despite playing three up front they didn't work well together with Osvaldo often left without support. we had an off day and that's not all because of chelski.
as for sticking to plan A and having no plan B we did change formation in the second half and played two main strikers upfront, similar to what chelski did, and played j-rod and lalla more on the wings. that brought us back into the game until their 3rd goal killed the game off.
Looking at the stats it is clear that Chelsea did go long ball in he second half and it worked for them. JWP threat was identified and neutralised. I take your point that we maybe did change to a plan B in the second half but it looked more like we were just subing injured players or inefective ones. Plus it didn't bring us any closer to having a shot on target and that two up front formation has not worked for us at all this season against any team.
We were killed off way before the third goal, in the second half we never even looked like scoring but its not all doom and gloom.
The return fixure in a months time will be tactically very interesting and it would not surprise me at all if JM brought on another pacey striker at halftime and then started playing it long. He told his troops to relax at half time because he had plan, and his plan worked.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: Haven't seen the stats but I can only remember one shot on target from Saints and that was in the first 20 seconds. We need a player that can come on and change things, gives us different options up front. Jose M worked us out well in advance, tire us out first half, then play two up front with some fresh legs second half, play the long ball up to them and cut out our attack and midfield, dont play through us play over us, job done! We stuck with plan "A" when plan "A" was not workting, our goal was a gift after all, I have not seen a plan "B" from Saints but we better have one by Jan1st when we play Chelsea again, this is when we will find out how good a tactician MoPo is and how good our squad is, I have faith .... (longterm)[/p][/quote]is that the same Jose who said after the game that he brought lumpard on just before half time because he had to shore up his team? saying "It was important not to panic and keep the emotional balance" I don't think its a case of `working us out` because every manager could see what chelski did and do the same. our players didn't have a great game even in the first half, how many poor crosses, corners and free kicks did JWP put in yesterday? probably more than the rest of the season combined. lalla didn't have a great game either and despite playing three up front they didn't work well together with Osvaldo often left without support. we had an off day and that's not all because of chelski. as for sticking to plan A and having no plan B we did change formation in the second half and played two main strikers upfront, similar to what chelski did, and played j-rod and lalla more on the wings. that brought us back into the game until their 3rd goal killed the game off.[/p][/quote]Looking at the stats it is clear that Chelsea did go long ball in he second half and it worked for them. JWP threat was identified and neutralised. I take your point that we maybe did change to a plan B in the second half but it looked more like we were just subing injured players or inefective ones. Plus it didn't bring us any closer to having a shot on target and that two up front formation has not worked for us at all this season against any team. We were killed off way before the third goal, in the second half we never even looked like scoring but its not all doom and gloom. The return fixure in a months time will be tactically very interesting and it would not surprise me at all if JM brought on another pacey striker at halftime and then started playing it long. He told his troops to relax at half time because he had plan, and his plan worked. notaclue

6:08pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Chris1991 says...

For the second game in a row, the referee has been reluctant to book the home team players for blatant professional fouls against our players, yet has been happy to book ours for minor infringements. Co-incidence?

Had our boys not been cynically fouled so much in the fist half yesterday, we would probably added to our lead and made the second half considerably harder for Chelsea and the result somewhat different.
For the second game in a row, the referee has been reluctant to book the home team players for blatant professional fouls against our players, yet has been happy to book ours for minor infringements. Co-incidence? Had our boys not been cynically fouled so much in the fist half yesterday, we would probably added to our lead and made the second half considerably harder for Chelsea and the result somewhat different. Chris1991

8:39pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Costa Baz says...

notaclue wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
Haven't seen the stats but I can only remember one shot on target from Saints and that was in the first 20 seconds. We need a player that can come on and change things, gives us different options up front.
Jose M worked us out well in advance, tire us out first half, then play two up front with some fresh legs second half, play the long ball up to them and cut out our attack and midfield, dont play through us play over us, job done!
We stuck with plan "A" when plan "A" was not workting, our goal was a gift after all, I have not seen a plan "B" from Saints but we better have one by Jan1st when we play Chelsea again, this is when we will find out how good a tactician MoPo is and how good our squad is, I have faith .... (longterm)
is that the same Jose who said after the game that he brought lumpard on just before half time because he had to shore up his team? saying "It was important not to panic and keep the emotional balance"
I don't think its a case of `working us out` because every manager could see what chelski did and do the same. our players didn't have a great game even in the first half, how many poor crosses, corners and free kicks did JWP put in yesterday? probably more than the rest of the season combined. lalla didn't have a great game either and despite playing three up front they didn't work well together with Osvaldo often left without support. we had an off day and that's not all because of chelski.
as for sticking to plan A and having no plan B we did change formation in the second half and played two main strikers upfront, similar to what chelski did, and played j-rod and lalla more on the wings. that brought us back into the game until their 3rd goal killed the game off.
Looking at the stats it is clear that Chelsea did go long ball in he second half and it worked for them. JWP threat was identified and neutralised. I take your point that we maybe did change to a plan B in the second half but it looked more like we were just subing injured players or inefective ones. Plus it didn't bring us any closer to having a shot on target and that two up front formation has not worked for us at all this season against any team.
We were killed off way before the third goal, in the second half we never even looked like scoring but its not all doom and gloom.
The return fixure in a months time will be tactically very interesting and it would not surprise me at all if JM brought on another pacey striker at halftime and then started playing it long. He told his troops to relax at half time because he had plan, and his plan worked.
Going long will only work if you have the right players to make it work.

West Ham, Sunderland and Stoke tried it and although they all got points from us, that was more to do with our attacking frailties than being found out.

Not sure any of the other top teams would change their style of play against us, so would put this result down as a one off.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: Haven't seen the stats but I can only remember one shot on target from Saints and that was in the first 20 seconds. We need a player that can come on and change things, gives us different options up front. Jose M worked us out well in advance, tire us out first half, then play two up front with some fresh legs second half, play the long ball up to them and cut out our attack and midfield, dont play through us play over us, job done! We stuck with plan "A" when plan "A" was not workting, our goal was a gift after all, I have not seen a plan "B" from Saints but we better have one by Jan1st when we play Chelsea again, this is when we will find out how good a tactician MoPo is and how good our squad is, I have faith .... (longterm)[/p][/quote]is that the same Jose who said after the game that he brought lumpard on just before half time because he had to shore up his team? saying "It was important not to panic and keep the emotional balance" I don't think its a case of `working us out` because every manager could see what chelski did and do the same. our players didn't have a great game even in the first half, how many poor crosses, corners and free kicks did JWP put in yesterday? probably more than the rest of the season combined. lalla didn't have a great game either and despite playing three up front they didn't work well together with Osvaldo often left without support. we had an off day and that's not all because of chelski. as for sticking to plan A and having no plan B we did change formation in the second half and played two main strikers upfront, similar to what chelski did, and played j-rod and lalla more on the wings. that brought us back into the game until their 3rd goal killed the game off.[/p][/quote]Looking at the stats it is clear that Chelsea did go long ball in he second half and it worked for them. JWP threat was identified and neutralised. I take your point that we maybe did change to a plan B in the second half but it looked more like we were just subing injured players or inefective ones. Plus it didn't bring us any closer to having a shot on target and that two up front formation has not worked for us at all this season against any team. We were killed off way before the third goal, in the second half we never even looked like scoring but its not all doom and gloom. The return fixure in a months time will be tactically very interesting and it would not surprise me at all if JM brought on another pacey striker at halftime and then started playing it long. He told his troops to relax at half time because he had plan, and his plan worked.[/p][/quote]Going long will only work if you have the right players to make it work. West Ham, Sunderland and Stoke tried it and although they all got points from us, that was more to do with our attacking frailties than being found out. Not sure any of the other top teams would change their style of play against us, so would put this result down as a one off. Costa Baz

9:26pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Clausentum Saint says...

Work in progress ,just work in progress.
Work in progress ,just work in progress. Clausentum Saint

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