Saints defeat unfair says Poch

Jay Rodriguez gets in a shot against Liverpool.

Jay Rodriguez gets in a shot against Liverpool.

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Mauricio Pochettino blamed a mixture of bad luck and a lack of ruthlessness in front of goal for what he described as an “unfair” 3-0 defeat by Liverpool.

The title chasing Reds secured an important victory at St Mary’s thanks to goals from Luis Suarez, Raheem Sterling and a Steven Gerrard penalty.

Both teams squandered other good chances in an open game, but it was Saints who really paid the price against a side with one of the best goals per games ratio in any European top flight.

Pochettino said: “We created many chances in the first half and we deserved a lot more from that first half .

“It should have been a different result, but we needed to be more clinical in the first half.

“We were unlucky not to score and then Sterling came on and with his first touch it was 2-0.

“It was very difficult from then on to kick on and keep pushing.

“Overall, with the team’s performance, it was an unfair result but I do have to say Liverpool were a lot more clinical than we were.”

One of the chief differences between the teams was Suarez.

“He’s definitely one of the best in the world, that’s clear,” reflected Pochettino of the striker with 24 Premier League goals in just 23 starts this season.

“We were speaking about that before the game.

“He is showing throughout this entire season the skill and the quality that makes him one of the best in the world.”

Saints were competing well in the first half with Liverpool, who switched their formation to play two up front.

“It is flattering in a way that he (Brendan Rodgers) changes his formation just to play against Southampton,” admitted Pochettino.

“Overall Southampton were dominating the entire first half and that’s why Liverpool changed their formation.

“Overall we were very unlucky and when you are unlucky, and you are also playing against a player such as Suarez, it is always going to be very difficult.”

Saints did have an early penalty shout turned down when Adam Lallana went down in the box under the challenge of Jon Flanagan, but referee Lee Probert was unmoved.

“From my point of view it was difficult to see if it was a penalty,” added the Saints boss.

“Overall we were unlucky in many respects, as we were in the last game (at West Ham).

“Also overall we weren’t clinical, and when you’re not clinical against a team such as Liverpool it is going to be very difficult to get something positive out of the game.”

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7:44am Mon 3 Mar 14

Golden_Salamander says...

First the first hour he is correct.

With a neutral Ref we would have got a penalty early on and both Adam and JayRod missed very good chances while Diverpool offered very little as we gave them their goal.

For me the removal of Davis on the hour left us one short in central midfield and Diverpool controlled the last 30 mins as Gaston offered little when he came on for Davis (he didn't do the defensive job).

In that first hour we got our fullbacks into good positions to put in telling balls into the box but most failed to beat the first defender. while Diverpool scored from only their second similar cross into the box,

I believe this is because our forwards DO NOT MOVE whereas Diverpools were always on the move. This means the crosser has to wait that extra second before crossing to lookup and pick out where the forward are standing. Whereas Diverpool's just put the ball into the danger area knowing that one of their players would be on the move.
First the first hour he is correct. With a neutral Ref we would have got a penalty early on and both Adam and JayRod missed very good chances while Diverpool offered very little as we gave them their goal. For me the removal of Davis on the hour left us one short in central midfield and Diverpool controlled the last 30 mins as Gaston offered little when he came on for Davis (he didn't do the defensive job). In that first hour we got our fullbacks into good positions to put in telling balls into the box but most failed to beat the first defender. while Diverpool scored from only their second similar cross into the box, I believe this is because our forwards DO NOT MOVE whereas Diverpools were always on the move. This means the crosser has to wait that extra second before crossing to lookup and pick out where the forward are standing. Whereas Diverpool's just put the ball into the danger area knowing that one of their players would be on the move. Golden_Salamander
  • Score: -3

9:03am Mon 3 Mar 14

Alicesdad says...

We got tonked .. live with it. If you saw it then you know it could have gone both ways .. but on the record we were beatne 3-0.. and thats all that counts.
.. ... We create a lot but don't finish well. We make unlucky slips in defence, Yoshida last week and Fonte this week .. unlucky maybe.. but it all counts ... and thats the difference between going for Champions League and being an also ran in the top ten.

... and so on to the next match ...
We got tonked .. live with it. If you saw it then you know it could have gone both ways .. but on the record we were beatne 3-0.. and thats all that counts. .. ... We create a lot but don't finish well. We make unlucky slips in defence, Yoshida last week and Fonte this week .. unlucky maybe.. but it all counts ... and thats the difference between going for Champions League and being an also ran in the top ten. ... and so on to the next match ... Alicesdad
  • Score: 4

9:11am Mon 3 Mar 14

Santa Retfordia says...

I was actually really proud of the team. We controlled the vast majority of that game which is no mean feat against a team that's in with a very good shout of winning the title. It shows how well Poch had got the team playing but also what a gulf in class there is between their strikers and ours, and that's a gulf that won't be bridged unless we spend big in the summer.

We've sort of reached a plateau and the next steps will be very interesting: if Katharina gets Poch to stay and backs him in the transfer market then these will be happy days. If not then where we are now is probably as good as it's going to get.
I was actually really proud of the team. We controlled the vast majority of that game which is no mean feat against a team that's in with a very good shout of winning the title. It shows how well Poch had got the team playing but also what a gulf in class there is between their strikers and ours, and that's a gulf that won't be bridged unless we spend big in the summer. We've sort of reached a plateau and the next steps will be very interesting: if Katharina gets Poch to stay and backs him in the transfer market then these will be happy days. If not then where we are now is probably as good as it's going to get. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 7

10:11am Mon 3 Mar 14

in search of the truth says...

There was nothing unfair about Liverpool thrashing Southampton 3 - 0 yesterday, the better team won on the day.

If Southampton had lost by 1 goal then that could have been thought of, as being possibly unfair or unfortunate. But losing by 3 goals to nil can never in any shape or form be construed as unfair.
There was nothing unfair about Liverpool thrashing Southampton 3 - 0 yesterday, the better team won on the day. If Southampton had lost by 1 goal then that could have been thought of, as being possibly unfair or unfortunate. But losing by 3 goals to nil can never in any shape or form be construed as unfair. in search of the truth
  • Score: 1

10:45am Mon 3 Mar 14

saint Compo says...

17 points from our last 17 games is relegation zone form. We are surviving on our early season success when we got 22 points from our first 11 games. (That's similar to what WBA did last season and look at where they are now, a season later.) During that spell we conceded very few goals and scored most of our own from set pieces. Our defence is now very porous.

The team creates a lot of opportunities with their attacking game but very few serious scoring chances; thus the failure to score many goals.

MoPo's weekly bemoaning of an unfair result is becoming embarrassing. His tactics are not working and other teams have worked us out. On Saturday we lacked energy and commitment in the second half, without which our whole game plan falls apart. I think the decision not to try to win the FA Cup has demotivated the players because there's nothing left to play for this season.

Our player recruitment has been poor. Ramirez and Osvaldo are not suited to the speed and physicality of the Premier League. Lovren and Wanyama look to be good buys but Wanyama was a shadow of his early season self on Saturday (perhaps because he's still not fully match fit after his recent injury).

This summer we need to recruit 2 strong centre backs, a forceful central midfielder, a pacey wide man and a top class international striker who can actually score goals. It's also critical that we retain our young talent; otherwise they will have to be replaced by worthy alternatives.

All is not rosy in the Saints camp, I'm afraid. I see big problems ahead which will need money to fix.

COYR
17 points from our last 17 games is relegation zone form. We are surviving on our early season success when we got 22 points from our first 11 games. (That's similar to what WBA did last season and look at where they are now, a season later.) During that spell we conceded very few goals and scored most of our own from set pieces. Our defence is now very porous. The team creates a lot of opportunities with their attacking game but very few serious scoring chances; thus the failure to score many goals. MoPo's weekly bemoaning of an unfair result is becoming embarrassing. His tactics are not working and other teams have worked us out. On Saturday we lacked energy and commitment in the second half, without which our whole game plan falls apart. I think the decision not to try to win the FA Cup has demotivated the players because there's nothing left to play for this season. Our player recruitment has been poor. Ramirez and Osvaldo are not suited to the speed and physicality of the Premier League. Lovren and Wanyama look to be good buys but Wanyama was a shadow of his early season self on Saturday (perhaps because he's still not fully match fit after his recent injury). This summer we need to recruit 2 strong centre backs, a forceful central midfielder, a pacey wide man and a top class international striker who can actually score goals. It's also critical that we retain our young talent; otherwise they will have to be replaced by worthy alternatives. All is not rosy in the Saints camp, I'm afraid. I see big problems ahead which will need money to fix. COYR saint Compo
  • Score: -8

11:48am Mon 3 Mar 14

Santa Retfordia says...

in search of the truth wrote:
There was nothing unfair about Liverpool thrashing Southampton 3 - 0 yesterday, the better team won on the day.

If Southampton had lost by 1 goal then that could have been thought of, as being possibly unfair or unfortunate. But losing by 3 goals to nil can never in any shape or form be construed as unfair.
You said exactly that the other day and no one was interested then.

Better luck this time.
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: There was nothing unfair about Liverpool thrashing Southampton 3 - 0 yesterday, the better team won on the day. If Southampton had lost by 1 goal then that could have been thought of, as being possibly unfair or unfortunate. But losing by 3 goals to nil can never in any shape or form be construed as unfair.[/p][/quote]You said exactly that the other day and no one was interested then. Better luck this time. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 2

3:26pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Jesus_02 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
We got tonked .. live with it. If you saw it then you know it could have gone both ways .. but on the record we were beatne 3-0.. and thats all that counts. .. ... We create a lot but don't finish well. We make unlucky slips in defence, Yoshida last week and Fonte this week .. unlucky maybe.. but it all counts ... and thats the difference between going for Champions League and being an also ran in the top ten. ... and so on to the next match ...
Fonte WAS unlucky for the first... the Third was a typical Suarez "the evils of modern football" debate starter. The second was a good goal, but I cant help think that if Lovren and Fonte where in full swing one of them would have got to it.

On the possitive side Lovren was class even though he and Fonte where not quite on the same page at times. Suarez and Sturridge however are flying at the moment, that was the difference on the day.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: We got tonked .. live with it. If you saw it then you know it could have gone both ways .. but on the record we were beatne 3-0.. and thats all that counts. .. ... We create a lot but don't finish well. We make unlucky slips in defence, Yoshida last week and Fonte this week .. unlucky maybe.. but it all counts ... and thats the difference between going for Champions League and being an also ran in the top ten. ... and so on to the next match ...[/p][/quote]Fonte WAS unlucky for the first... the Third was a typical Suarez "the evils of modern football" debate starter. The second was a good goal, but I cant help think that if Lovren and Fonte where in full swing one of them would have got to it. On the possitive side Lovren was class even though he and Fonte where not quite on the same page at times. Suarez and Sturridge however are flying at the moment, that was the difference on the day. Jesus_02
  • Score: 1

11:55pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

saint Compo wrote:
17 points from our last 17 games is relegation zone form. We are surviving on our early season success when we got 22 points from our first 11 games. (That's similar to what WBA did last season and look at where they are now, a season later.) During that spell we conceded very few goals and scored most of our own from set pieces. Our defence is now very porous.

The team creates a lot of opportunities with their attacking game but very few serious scoring chances; thus the failure to score many goals.

MoPo's weekly bemoaning of an unfair result is becoming embarrassing. His tactics are not working and other teams have worked us out. On Saturday we lacked energy and commitment in the second half, without which our whole game plan falls apart. I think the decision not to try to win the FA Cup has demotivated the players because there's nothing left to play for this season.

Our player recruitment has been poor. Ramirez and Osvaldo are not suited to the speed and physicality of the Premier League. Lovren and Wanyama look to be good buys but Wanyama was a shadow of his early season self on Saturday (perhaps because he's still not fully match fit after his recent injury).

This summer we need to recruit 2 strong centre backs, a forceful central midfielder, a pacey wide man and a top class international striker who can actually score goals. It's also critical that we retain our young talent; otherwise they will have to be replaced by worthy alternatives.

All is not rosy in the Saints camp, I'm afraid. I see big problems ahead which will need money to fix.

COYR
"17 points from our last 17 games is relegation zone form...The team creates a lot of opportunities with their attacking game but very few serious scoring chances; thus the failure to score many goals. MoPo's weekly bemoaning of an unfair result is becoming embarrassing. His tactics are not working and other teams have worked us out...All is not rosy in the Saints camp..."

Well stated.
[quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: 17 points from our last 17 games is relegation zone form. We are surviving on our early season success when we got 22 points from our first 11 games. (That's similar to what WBA did last season and look at where they are now, a season later.) During that spell we conceded very few goals and scored most of our own from set pieces. Our defence is now very porous. The team creates a lot of opportunities with their attacking game but very few serious scoring chances; thus the failure to score many goals. MoPo's weekly bemoaning of an unfair result is becoming embarrassing. His tactics are not working and other teams have worked us out. On Saturday we lacked energy and commitment in the second half, without which our whole game plan falls apart. I think the decision not to try to win the FA Cup has demotivated the players because there's nothing left to play for this season. Our player recruitment has been poor. Ramirez and Osvaldo are not suited to the speed and physicality of the Premier League. Lovren and Wanyama look to be good buys but Wanyama was a shadow of his early season self on Saturday (perhaps because he's still not fully match fit after his recent injury). This summer we need to recruit 2 strong centre backs, a forceful central midfielder, a pacey wide man and a top class international striker who can actually score goals. It's also critical that we retain our young talent; otherwise they will have to be replaced by worthy alternatives. All is not rosy in the Saints camp, I'm afraid. I see big problems ahead which will need money to fix. COYR[/p][/quote]"17 points from our last 17 games is relegation zone form...The team creates a lot of opportunities with their attacking game but very few serious scoring chances; thus the failure to score many goals. MoPo's weekly bemoaning of an unfair result is becoming embarrassing. His tactics are not working and other teams have worked us out...All is not rosy in the Saints camp..." Well stated. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: 0

12:01am Tue 4 Mar 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

Oh, and for the happy-clappers who don't want to deal with reality, we have a quote from Steven Nzonzi of Stoke City:

"Asked if it was up to Arsenal to be more robust when they next pay a visit to the Britannia, Nzonzi said: 'Yes -- this is how Premier League football is. It's really good, it's really strong. If they don't like that, we don't care. We will keep on doing what we can, being strong and trying to be as good as we can be on the ball.'''

Half of the players in the Premier League are there because they play hard and tough, and they know that the minute they stop playing hard and tough, the big paycheques are gone. If the likes of Lallana (your favourite one-trick pony) and Ramirez aren't up for it, then they will not be successful in the Premier League.
Oh, and for the happy-clappers who don't want to deal with reality, we have a quote from Steven Nzonzi of Stoke City: "Asked if it was up to Arsenal to be more robust when they next pay a visit to the Britannia, Nzonzi said: 'Yes -- this is how Premier League football is. It's really good, it's really strong. If they don't like that, we don't care. We will keep on doing what we can, being strong and trying to be as good as we can be on the ball.''' Half of the players in the Premier League are there because they play hard and tough, and they know that the minute they stop playing hard and tough, the big paycheques are gone. If the likes of Lallana (your favourite one-trick pony) and Ramirez aren't up for it, then they will not be successful in the Premier League. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: -1

3:53pm Tue 4 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Oh, and for the happy-clappers who don't want to deal with reality, we have a quote from Steven Nzonzi of Stoke City:

"Asked if it was up to Arsenal to be more robust when they next pay a visit to the Britannia, Nzonzi said: 'Yes -- this is how Premier League football is. It's really good, it's really strong. If they don't like that, we don't care. We will keep on doing what we can, being strong and trying to be as good as we can be on the ball.'''

Half of the players in the Premier League are there because they play hard and tough, and they know that the minute they stop playing hard and tough, the big paycheques are gone. If the likes of Lallana (your favourite one-trick pony) and Ramirez aren't up for it, then they will not be successful in the Premier League.
Do you, with your infinite football knowledge, say that Adam and Gaston are not up for it? Or do you think like me that it would be better if Referees gave them more protection so that they can play their football without the constant fear that they are going to be taken out of the game by some bullying clogger?
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Oh, and for the happy-clappers who don't want to deal with reality, we have a quote from Steven Nzonzi of Stoke City: "Asked if it was up to Arsenal to be more robust when they next pay a visit to the Britannia, Nzonzi said: 'Yes -- this is how Premier League football is. It's really good, it's really strong. If they don't like that, we don't care. We will keep on doing what we can, being strong and trying to be as good as we can be on the ball.''' Half of the players in the Premier League are there because they play hard and tough, and they know that the minute they stop playing hard and tough, the big paycheques are gone. If the likes of Lallana (your favourite one-trick pony) and Ramirez aren't up for it, then they will not be successful in the Premier League.[/p][/quote]Do you, with your infinite football knowledge, say that Adam and Gaston are not up for it? Or do you think like me that it would be better if Referees gave them more protection so that they can play their football without the constant fear that they are going to be taken out of the game by some bullying clogger? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

5:01pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Oh, and for the happy-clappers who don't want to deal with reality, we have a quote from Steven Nzonzi of Stoke City:

"Asked if it was up to Arsenal to be more robust when they next pay a visit to the Britannia, Nzonzi said: 'Yes -- this is how Premier League football is. It's really good, it's really strong. If they don't like that, we don't care. We will keep on doing what we can, being strong and trying to be as good as we can be on the ball.'''

Half of the players in the Premier League are there because they play hard and tough, and they know that the minute they stop playing hard and tough, the big paycheques are gone. If the likes of Lallana (your favourite one-trick pony) and Ramirez aren't up for it, then they will not be successful in the Premier League.
Do you, with your infinite football knowledge, say that Adam and Gaston are not up for it? Or do you think like me that it would be better if Referees gave them more protection so that they can play their football without the constant fear that they are going to be taken out of the game by some bullying clogger?
Well, you've just acknowledged that you agree that they are not up for it. Gaston will never be up for it. Adam, maybe, if he gets better coaching. I'm not talking about being clogged which should be punished, but the fact that both of those boys play football like it is a non-contact sport, which it most assuredly isn't.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Oh, and for the happy-clappers who don't want to deal with reality, we have a quote from Steven Nzonzi of Stoke City: "Asked if it was up to Arsenal to be more robust when they next pay a visit to the Britannia, Nzonzi said: 'Yes -- this is how Premier League football is. It's really good, it's really strong. If they don't like that, we don't care. We will keep on doing what we can, being strong and trying to be as good as we can be on the ball.''' Half of the players in the Premier League are there because they play hard and tough, and they know that the minute they stop playing hard and tough, the big paycheques are gone. If the likes of Lallana (your favourite one-trick pony) and Ramirez aren't up for it, then they will not be successful in the Premier League.[/p][/quote]Do you, with your infinite football knowledge, say that Adam and Gaston are not up for it? Or do you think like me that it would be better if Referees gave them more protection so that they can play their football without the constant fear that they are going to be taken out of the game by some bullying clogger?[/p][/quote]Well, you've just acknowledged that you agree that they are not up for it. Gaston will never be up for it. Adam, maybe, if he gets better coaching. I'm not talking about being clogged which should be punished, but the fact that both of those boys play football like it is a non-contact sport, which it most assuredly isn't. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
  • Score: 0

9:47pm Tue 4 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Oh, and for the happy-clappers who don't want to deal with reality, we have a quote from Steven Nzonzi of Stoke City:

"Asked if it was up to Arsenal to be more robust when they next pay a visit to the Britannia, Nzonzi said: 'Yes -- this is how Premier League football is. It's really good, it's really strong. If they don't like that, we don't care. We will keep on doing what we can, being strong and trying to be as good as we can be on the ball.'''

Half of the players in the Premier League are there because they play hard and tough, and they know that the minute they stop playing hard and tough, the big paycheques are gone. If the likes of Lallana (your favourite one-trick pony) and Ramirez aren't up for it, then they will not be successful in the Premier League.
Do you, with your infinite football knowledge, say that Adam and Gaston are not up for it? Or do you think like me that it would be better if Referees gave them more protection so that they can play their football without the constant fear that they are going to be taken out of the game by some bullying clogger?
Well, you've just acknowledged that you agree that they are not up for it. Gaston will never be up for it. Adam, maybe, if he gets better coaching. I'm not talking about being clogged which should be punished, but the fact that both of those boys play football like it is a non-contact sport, which it most assuredly isn't.
You are making things up, where did I say they are not up for it? You keep forgetting to add "in my opinion" which may attract interest, but you just keep saying things as if they are fact, and 99% don't agree with you, so hardly bearing any truth in what you are saying. I know that Adam is up for it, jury is still out on Gaston, but he is young and can learn to cope given the opportunity. You disagree that we get no favours from Referees?
[quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Oh, and for the happy-clappers who don't want to deal with reality, we have a quote from Steven Nzonzi of Stoke City: "Asked if it was up to Arsenal to be more robust when they next pay a visit to the Britannia, Nzonzi said: 'Yes -- this is how Premier League football is. It's really good, it's really strong. If they don't like that, we don't care. We will keep on doing what we can, being strong and trying to be as good as we can be on the ball.''' Half of the players in the Premier League are there because they play hard and tough, and they know that the minute they stop playing hard and tough, the big paycheques are gone. If the likes of Lallana (your favourite one-trick pony) and Ramirez aren't up for it, then they will not be successful in the Premier League.[/p][/quote]Do you, with your infinite football knowledge, say that Adam and Gaston are not up for it? Or do you think like me that it would be better if Referees gave them more protection so that they can play their football without the constant fear that they are going to be taken out of the game by some bullying clogger?[/p][/quote]Well, you've just acknowledged that you agree that they are not up for it. Gaston will never be up for it. Adam, maybe, if he gets better coaching. I'm not talking about being clogged which should be punished, but the fact that both of those boys play football like it is a non-contact sport, which it most assuredly isn't.[/p][/quote]You are making things up, where did I say they are not up for it? You keep forgetting to add "in my opinion" which may attract interest, but you just keep saying things as if they are fact, and 99% don't agree with you, so hardly bearing any truth in what you are saying. I know that Adam is up for it, jury is still out on Gaston, but he is young and can learn to cope given the opportunity. You disagree that we get no favours from Referees? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:52pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness wrote:
Oh, and for the happy-clappers who don't want to deal with reality, we have a quote from Steven Nzonzi of Stoke City:

"Asked if it was up to Arsenal to be more robust when they next pay a visit to the Britannia, Nzonzi said: 'Yes -- this is how Premier League football is. It's really good, it's really strong. If they don't like that, we don't care. We will keep on doing what we can, being strong and trying to be as good as we can be on the ball.'''

Half of the players in the Premier League are there because they play hard and tough, and they know that the minute they stop playing hard and tough, the big paycheques are gone. If the likes of Lallana (your favourite one-trick pony) and Ramirez aren't up for it, then they will not be successful in the Premier League.
Do you, with your infinite football knowledge, say that Adam and Gaston are not up for it? Or do you think like me that it would be better if Referees gave them more protection so that they can play their football without the constant fear that they are going to be taken out of the game by some bullying clogger?
Well, you've just acknowledged that you agree that they are not up for it. Gaston will never be up for it. Adam, maybe, if he gets better coaching. I'm not talking about being clogged which should be punished, but the fact that both of those boys play football like it is a non-contact sport, which it most assuredly isn't.
You are making things up, where did I say they are not up for it? You keep forgetting to add "in my opinion" which may attract interest, but you just keep saying things as if they are fact, and 99% don't agree with you, so hardly bearing any truth in what you are saying. I know that Adam is up for it, jury is still out on Gaston, but he is young and can learn to cope given the opportunity. You disagree that we get no favours from Referees?
and I quote: "do you think like me that it would be better if Referees gave them more protection so that they can play their football without the constant fear that they are going to be taken out of the game by some bullying clogger?" Right there, you, in your own words acknowledge that they, at present, are not up for it (i.e. not tough enough). As I said on another thread, if Adam knew how to get his centre of gravity low and feet spread, he would have gotten that penalty because it would have been clear to a trailing referee that Flanagan had ploughed him in the back. But, because Adam plays high and light, he goes over way too easy, and a ref who is 30 feet away will think that he might be getting conned and won't make the call. If we can acknowledge that Suarez and others are crafty, we are acknowledging that there are little things about the game that can be learned and can make a big difference. Look at how effective Hazard is because of his ability to play strong, with a low centre of gravity and the ability to give and take a shoulder charge without being bounced across the pitch like Adam and Gaston. Adam needs to learn to get his centre of gravity lower and learn to take the contact that is legally part of the game. I don't say "in my opinion" because I know this game very well unlike many of the posters on here, and I don't offer opinions on those things that I don't know about, only those things that I do.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness[/bold] wrote: Oh, and for the happy-clappers who don't want to deal with reality, we have a quote from Steven Nzonzi of Stoke City: "Asked if it was up to Arsenal to be more robust when they next pay a visit to the Britannia, Nzonzi said: 'Yes -- this is how Premier League football is. It's really good, it's really strong. If they don't like that, we don't care. We will keep on doing what we can, being strong and trying to be as good as we can be on the ball.''' Half of the players in the Premier League are there because they play hard and tough, and they know that the minute they stop playing hard and tough, the big paycheques are gone. If the likes of Lallana (your favourite one-trick pony) and Ramirez aren't up for it, then they will not be successful in the Premier League.[/p][/quote]Do you, with your infinite football knowledge, say that Adam and Gaston are not up for it? Or do you think like me that it would be better if Referees gave them more protection so that they can play their football without the constant fear that they are going to be taken out of the game by some bullying clogger?[/p][/quote]Well, you've just acknowledged that you agree that they are not up for it. Gaston will never be up for it. Adam, maybe, if he gets better coaching. I'm not talking about being clogged which should be punished, but the fact that both of those boys play football like it is a non-contact sport, which it most assuredly isn't.[/p][/quote]You are making things up, where did I say they are not up for it? You keep forgetting to add "in my opinion" which may attract interest, but you just keep saying things as if they are fact, and 99% don't agree with you, so hardly bearing any truth in what you are saying. I know that Adam is up for it, jury is still out on Gaston, but he is young and can learn to cope given the opportunity. You disagree that we get no favours from Referees?[/p][/quote]and I quote: "do you think like me that it would be better if Referees gave them more protection so that they can play their football without the constant fear that they are going to be taken out of the game by some bullying clogger?" Right there, you, in your own words acknowledge that they, at present, are not up for it (i.e. not tough enough). As I said on another thread, if Adam knew how to get his centre of gravity low and feet spread, he would have gotten that penalty because it would have been clear to a trailing referee that Flanagan had ploughed him in the back. But, because Adam plays high and light, he goes over way too easy, and a ref who is 30 feet away will think that he might be getting conned and won't make the call. If we can acknowledge that Suarez and others are crafty, we are acknowledging that there are little things about the game that can be learned and can make a big difference. Look at how effective Hazard is because of his ability to play strong, with a low centre of gravity and the ability to give and take a shoulder charge without being bounced across the pitch like Adam and Gaston. Adam needs to learn to get his centre of gravity lower and learn to take the contact that is legally part of the game. I don't say "in my opinion" because I know this game very well unlike many of the posters on here, and I don't offer opinions on those things that I don't know about, only those things that I do. Saints Need Physical and Mental Toughness
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