Saints still have work to do to be considered a top club

Daily Echo: Mauricio Pochettino Mauricio Pochettino

HERE is a sobering statistic for Saints fans to consider.

Though this season has undoubtedly been a success – the club could finish six places higher in one of the best leagues in the world than they did last season – it is sometimes worth scratching beneath the surface of the Premier League table.

Saints take on Champions League chasing Everton at St Mary’s tomorrow, and recent history suggests they will struggle to win.

That is because Saints have played 16 games against the clubs currently in the top ten with them this season, and have won just twice.

The most eye-catching of those was the early season success at Anfield against a Liverpool side minus Luis Suarez through suspension but now favourites to win their first top flight title since 1990.

Saints’ only other success against a top ten team was the 4-0 thrashing of Alan Pardew’s Newcastle at the end of last month.

In those 16 games, Mauricio Pochettino has seen his side collect just 12 points.

Sunderland, Norwich, West Bromwich Albion and Stoke all have better records against top 10 teams than Saints do.

Saints obviously have a far better record against teams in the bottom half of the table, but if they harbour ambitions of rising higher – and they unquestionably do – then at some point they need to beat more of the teams above them.

Here is another sobering statistic.

Everton arrive at St Mary’s only three places higher than Saints, but 20 points ahead of them.

Saints are therefore closer to the relegation zone – 19 points clear of third bottom Cardiff – than they are to qualifying for the Europa League in fifth place.

Despite all their improvements this term – more points, more goals scored, less goals conceded, winning plaudits for their use of young English talent – the stark reality is there in the league table for all to see.

Saints have so far spent over £60m on new players following their promotion back to the Premier League.

Their signings have so far been a mixed bag, but that spending spree has helped them reach the top eight.

As you can see from the table, though, the next jump up is far harder to make than leaping from 14th (Saints’ finish last term) to eighth or even ninth.

Everton will roll up tomorrow boasting the second best defensive record in the Premier League, with just 34 goals conceded.

Saints, for their part, have only scored one goal in 256 minutes since the luckless Jay Rodriguez suffered his horror knee injury at Manchester City earlier this month.

And that goal was a Rickie Lambert penalty.

Despite enjoying over 67 per cent of the possession against Cardiff and Aston Villa in the past two games, Saints have fired blanks.

Keeping the ball has not been a problem for Saints – with an average 58.7 per cent possession rate, no Premier League side has kept it longer.

That is a plus point, but do Saints have the personnel to really hurt teams if one or two of their more creative players are out injured?

A third blank in a row tomorrow could see Saints slip even further adrift of where they want to be.

It would further underline the need for more investment in the squad this summer ... if Saints are to show that this season and a potential eighth place finish is not as good as it gets.

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8:28am Fri 25 Apr 14

expatsaint says...

Plenty of stats to ponder but stats only tell a part of the story and, as such, can be mightily deceptive. Possession of the ball is one thing but I prefer the term "constructive possession;" unless possession is converted into goals it is meaningless and the Champions League match between Bayern and Real was s great example. The Germans massively dominated possession (just as Saints have done on countless occasions this season) but failed to score and isn't that the point of this wonderful game?

I believe our needs are reasonably straightforward in the summer transfer market (if we retain our existing squad) - a predatory striker and a quality back-up in goal. Easier said than done, of course, and the Osvaldo fiasco is testament to that. If our scouting team can solve that conundrum, and the owners can back it up with hard cash, then maybe we can achieve that quantum leap. A lot of "ifs" there I know but let's keep the faith!
Plenty of stats to ponder but stats only tell a part of the story and, as such, can be mightily deceptive. Possession of the ball is one thing but I prefer the term "constructive possession;" unless possession is converted into goals it is meaningless and the Champions League match between Bayern and Real was s great example. The Germans massively dominated possession (just as Saints have done on countless occasions this season) but failed to score and isn't that the point of this wonderful game? I believe our needs are reasonably straightforward in the summer transfer market (if we retain our existing squad) - a predatory striker and a quality back-up in goal. Easier said than done, of course, and the Osvaldo fiasco is testament to that. If our scouting team can solve that conundrum, and the owners can back it up with hard cash, then maybe we can achieve that quantum leap. A lot of "ifs" there I know but let's keep the faith! expatsaint
  • Score: 3

8:35am Fri 25 Apr 14

Dpercsfc says...

What a wake up call. I thought we'd made it already. Well now this has been exposed that we're only a lower Top 10 team I'm livid. MoPo OUT!
What a wake up call. I thought we'd made it already. Well now this has been exposed that we're only a lower Top 10 team I'm livid. MoPo OUT! Dpercsfc
  • Score: 6

8:41am Fri 25 Apr 14

SaintAsh1964 says...

We need back up in goal, Schmeichel or Fabianski have both been connected with the club and would put pressure on Artur.
Two central defenders, Caulker & Shawcross for me, Hoover just aint good enough.
Midfield, lets get Dyer back or go for Johnson @ Sunderland, and dare I say it, Cleverley @ Manure would all be positive additions, and we defo need numbers up front, Danny Ings would do well with JRod, Hernandez looks surplus to requirements and is a real poacher.
Oh, and keep the squad together, we must keep 80% of this squad together, that's my wish list anyway!
UTS
We need back up in goal, Schmeichel or Fabianski have both been connected with the club and would put pressure on Artur. Two central defenders, Caulker & Shawcross for me, Hoover just aint good enough. Midfield, lets get Dyer back or go for Johnson @ Sunderland, and dare I say it, Cleverley @ Manure would all be positive additions, and we defo need numbers up front, Danny Ings would do well with JRod, Hernandez looks surplus to requirements and is a real poacher. Oh, and keep the squad together, we must keep 80% of this squad together, that's my wish list anyway! UTS SaintAsh1964
  • Score: 1

8:51am Fri 25 Apr 14

Puddletown Saint says...

Well said SaintAsh. But yet another incredibly negative article by the DE.
It must be a positive our possession stats. If this was a London/NW club the media would be singing their praises about this.
We all now know that we need a GK, CB, winger and goal poacher.
Reckon we will have 30M + sell of Dani and Gaston.
2-1 tomorrow with Luke showing Baines how to play LB. COYR.
Well said SaintAsh. But yet another incredibly negative article by the DE. It must be a positive our possession stats. If this was a London/NW club the media would be singing their praises about this. We all now know that we need a GK, CB, winger and goal poacher. Reckon we will have 30M + sell of Dani and Gaston. 2-1 tomorrow with Luke showing Baines how to play LB. COYR. Puddletown Saint
  • Score: -2

8:54am Fri 25 Apr 14

StElsass says...

If it was just a lot of work it would be OK.
Sadly, it's more like a lot of money that's needed.
If it was just a lot of work it would be OK. Sadly, it's more like a lot of money that's needed. StElsass
  • Score: 2

8:58am Fri 25 Apr 14

alanrr says...

and we need a crowd of 50000 to bring in the revenue
and we need a crowd of 50000 to bring in the revenue alanrr
  • Score: -4

9:04am Fri 25 Apr 14

IOAD says...

Note to Simon Carter, Sports Editor:
'Goal' is a count noun, so it ought to be 'fewer goals conceded' not 'less goals conceded'. You can say 'less football played' as 'football' in this context is a non-count noun. You can have that for when you do a report on how Saints have not played as many games this year in comparison to last (you usually have something like that every year). However, bear in mind that it will be ' less football' but 'fewer games'.
Note to Simon Carter, Sports Editor: 'Goal' is a count noun, so it ought to be 'fewer goals conceded' not 'less goals conceded'. You can say 'less football played' as 'football' in this context is a non-count noun. You can have that for when you do a report on how Saints have not played as many games this year in comparison to last (you usually have something like that every year). However, bear in mind that it will be ' less football' but 'fewer games'. IOAD
  • Score: 7

9:09am Fri 25 Apr 14

StElsass says...

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Well said SaintAsh. But yet another incredibly negative article by the DE.
It must be a positive our possession stats. If this was a London/NW club the media would be singing their praises about this.
We all now know that we need a GK, CB, winger and goal poacher.
Reckon we will have 30M + sell of Dani and Gaston.
2-1 tomorrow with Luke showing Baines how to play LB. COYR.
It doesn't harm to look at facts and face the reality every so often.
The club (MP and the players) have kept telling us Saints can finish in the top 4.
Well, this is how far we are from that objective; or how close if you prefer.
[quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Well said SaintAsh. But yet another incredibly negative article by the DE. It must be a positive our possession stats. If this was a London/NW club the media would be singing their praises about this. We all now know that we need a GK, CB, winger and goal poacher. Reckon we will have 30M + sell of Dani and Gaston. 2-1 tomorrow with Luke showing Baines how to play LB. COYR.[/p][/quote]It doesn't harm to look at facts and face the reality every so often. The club (MP and the players) have kept telling us Saints can finish in the top 4. Well, this is how far we are from that objective; or how close if you prefer. StElsass
  • Score: 3

9:12am Fri 25 Apr 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Three things this season that we have learned that could have made it even better but must be addressed if we are to push on next season.
1. We must turn our possession into goals, how many games have we had 60% or more of the ball and not won the game.
2. We need to be more clinical, think how many chances we have missed. We need more midfield players getting goals, not just our 3 forwards.
3. We desperately need that extra quality and depth. It is essential that we retain all our young stars but as we can all see, we need a couple of Strikers (Suggestions - Benteke or Bony are proven or could take a punt on Danny Ings), also a Centreback (Steven Caulker is my first choice), plus a pacy winger and an experienced Goalkeeper.
Need to move quick as the season opens and before the World Cup. starts.
Three things this season that we have learned that could have made it even better but must be addressed if we are to push on next season. 1. We must turn our possession into goals, how many games have we had 60% or more of the ball and not won the game. 2. We need to be more clinical, think how many chances we have missed. We need more midfield players getting goals, not just our 3 forwards. 3. We desperately need that extra quality and depth. It is essential that we retain all our young stars but as we can all see, we need a couple of Strikers (Suggestions - Benteke or Bony are proven or could take a punt on Danny Ings), also a Centreback (Steven Caulker is my first choice), plus a pacy winger and an experienced Goalkeeper. Need to move quick as the season opens and before the World Cup. starts. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 3

9:48am Fri 25 Apr 14

GHamilton says...

I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley.

I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!!
I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!! GHamilton
  • Score: -3

10:03am Fri 25 Apr 14

Alicesdad says...

Woe, woe and thrice woe. It's the end of the world as we know it. The apocalypse is here, This will be the time when the sinners beg forgiveness and there will be no time to repent. You are all going to die in the flames of hell if the floods don't get you first. The skys will darken and the wrath of Satan will be upon you. As we walk into the valley of doom ... blah blah blah blah blah ..........

The DE is fast turning into one of those board carrying preachers of doom. In the name of "underlying analysis" they take the statistics that the fans are already welll aware of and put out a sermon of doom at the end of the most succesful season in decades. FFS cheer up.

Always look on the bright side of life .. te tum te tum te tum te tum
Woe, woe and thrice woe. It's the end of the world as we know it. The apocalypse is here, This will be the time when the sinners beg forgiveness and there will be no time to repent. You are all going to die in the flames of hell if the floods don't get you first. The skys will darken and the wrath of Satan will be upon you. As we walk into the valley of doom ... blah blah blah blah blah .......... The DE is fast turning into one of those board carrying preachers of doom. In the name of "underlying analysis" they take the statistics that the fans are already welll aware of and put out a sermon of doom at the end of the most succesful season in decades. FFS cheer up. Always look on the bright side of life .. te tum te tum te tum te tum Alicesdad
  • Score: 3

10:56am Fri 25 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

GHamilton wrote:
I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley.

I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!!
spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane?
spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours.
chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours.
evertons capacity is 7k more than ours.
villas capacity is 10k more than ours.
yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!![/p][/quote]spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power. el caballo santos101
  • Score: -1

11:19am Fri 25 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
GHamilton wrote:
I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley.

I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!!
spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane?
spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours.
chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours.
evertons capacity is 7k more than ours.
villas capacity is 10k more than ours.
yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.
And he thinks he's "telling it like it is".
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!![/p][/quote]spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.[/p][/quote]And he thinks he's "telling it like it is". Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

11:43am Fri 25 Apr 14

Dave Juson says...

Another strikingly profound insight from Simon Carter: we need to score more goals and win more games to get higher up the table. Amazing!
I wish I could analyse statistics and come up with such startlingly original thinking and articulate those thoughts so eloquently.
My only reservation is: why couldn’t he have put all this together at the start of the season? Thus informed, Mauricio Pochettino could have had the Premier League Championship secured by the end of February.
But there is always next season. Hopefully Brendan Rogers, Arsene Wenger and Jose Mourinho don't visit this website.
Another strikingly profound insight from Simon Carter: we need to score more goals and win more games to get higher up the table. Amazing! I wish I could analyse statistics and come up with such startlingly original thinking and articulate those thoughts so eloquently. My only reservation is: why couldn’t he have put all this together at the start of the season? Thus informed, Mauricio Pochettino could have had the Premier League Championship secured by the end of February. But there is always next season. Hopefully Brendan Rogers, Arsene Wenger and Jose Mourinho don't visit this website. Dave Juson
  • Score: 1

11:44am Fri 25 Apr 14

Jan28th1984 says...

It's common knowledge where we need to improve. If the fans can see it then the management and owners can see it. Continual improvement is a management cliché that RK shows every sign of believing in. We finished 14th last season and will be 8th this season. To finish higher next season requires considerable investment in the squad. The question is how deep are Katherina's pockets?
It's common knowledge where we need to improve. If the fans can see it then the management and owners can see it. Continual improvement is a management cliché that RK shows every sign of believing in. We finished 14th last season and will be 8th this season. To finish higher next season requires considerable investment in the squad. The question is how deep are Katherina's pockets? Jan28th1984
  • Score: 0

12:22pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Dave Juson says...

Jan28th1984 wrote:
It's common knowledge where we need to improve. If the fans can see it then the management and owners can see it. Continual improvement is a management cliché that RK shows every sign of believing in. We finished 14th last season and will be 8th this season. To finish higher next season requires considerable investment in the squad. The question is how deep are Katherina's pockets?
I am not advocating that we do not use the transfer market during the summer, but do you not think is possible that a squad as young as Saints' will improve with experience?
Let's face it, the most influential signing we made last summer was a promising centre-back. Victor Wanyama made a good start to the season, but neither he nor Dejan Lovren added up the difference of the eight point and 16 goal improvement in results. I would suggest that we look to the lads -- including those who had yet to graduate from the Academy -- who were on our books back in our League One days for past and future improvements.
Face it: we've done well from the "kids". Why do a Leeds United?
[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote: It's common knowledge where we need to improve. If the fans can see it then the management and owners can see it. Continual improvement is a management cliché that RK shows every sign of believing in. We finished 14th last season and will be 8th this season. To finish higher next season requires considerable investment in the squad. The question is how deep are Katherina's pockets?[/p][/quote]I am not advocating that we do not use the transfer market during the summer, but do you not think is possible that a squad as young as Saints' will improve with experience? Let's face it, the most influential signing we made last summer was a promising centre-back. Victor Wanyama made a good start to the season, but neither he nor Dejan Lovren added up the difference of the eight point and 16 goal improvement in results. I would suggest that we look to the lads -- including those who had yet to graduate from the Academy -- who were on our books back in our League One days for past and future improvements. Face it: we've done well from the "kids". Why do a Leeds United? Dave Juson
  • Score: 2

12:46pm Fri 25 Apr 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

SaintAsh1964 wrote:
We need back up in goal, Schmeichel or Fabianski have both been connected with the club and would put pressure on Artur.
Two central defenders, Caulker & Shawcross for me, Hoover just aint good enough.
Midfield, lets get Dyer back or go for Johnson @ Sunderland, and dare I say it, Cleverley @ Manure would all be positive additions, and we defo need numbers up front, Danny Ings would do well with JRod, Hernandez looks surplus to requirements and is a real poacher.
Oh, and keep the squad together, we must keep 80% of this squad together, that's my wish list anyway!
UTS
The important things for the club to look at is what positions do we not have top Academy players coming through the ranks in. If the club didn't rate Gazz then I suspect they would have shown him the door by now. We also have Cropper and he's highly rated. I don't think we would strengthen in goal unless one of Boruc/ Davis left the club.
I think we are strong in midfield but just need a wide player with pace who could also play up front and another forward. Centre of defence I agree with you and it would be good to see 2 decent left backs so we have competition for Shaw like Chambers. Again we have high hopes for players like Targett and Turnball as well as Jack Stephens so expect to see these coming through next season as well as Josh Sims and we have already seen Gallagher who I have high hopes for.
[quote][p][bold]SaintAsh1964[/bold] wrote: We need back up in goal, Schmeichel or Fabianski have both been connected with the club and would put pressure on Artur. Two central defenders, Caulker & Shawcross for me, Hoover just aint good enough. Midfield, lets get Dyer back or go for Johnson @ Sunderland, and dare I say it, Cleverley @ Manure would all be positive additions, and we defo need numbers up front, Danny Ings would do well with JRod, Hernandez looks surplus to requirements and is a real poacher. Oh, and keep the squad together, we must keep 80% of this squad together, that's my wish list anyway! UTS[/p][/quote]The important things for the club to look at is what positions do we not have top Academy players coming through the ranks in. If the club didn't rate Gazz then I suspect they would have shown him the door by now. We also have Cropper and he's highly rated. I don't think we would strengthen in goal unless one of Boruc/ Davis left the club. I think we are strong in midfield but just need a wide player with pace who could also play up front and another forward. Centre of defence I agree with you and it would be good to see 2 decent left backs so we have competition for Shaw like Chambers. Again we have high hopes for players like Targett and Turnball as well as Jack Stephens so expect to see these coming through next season as well as Josh Sims and we have already seen Gallagher who I have high hopes for. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 2

2:42pm Fri 25 Apr 14

GHamilton says...

Rising_Son wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
GHamilton wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!!
spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.
And he thinks he's "telling it like it is".
Thats why they are building a new stadium that holds 56 000!!!! BECAUSE they cant gt the 47 000 into the current ground you should learn the facts before you start critising other people.......
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!![/p][/quote]spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.[/p][/quote]And he thinks he's "telling it like it is".[/p][/quote]Thats why they are building a new stadium that holds 56 000!!!! BECAUSE they cant gt the 47 000 into the current ground you should learn the facts before you start critising other people....... GHamilton
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2:42pm Fri 25 Apr 14

GHamilton says...

Rising_Son wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
GHamilton wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!!
spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.
And he thinks he's "telling it like it is".
Thats why they are building a new stadium that holds 56 000!!!! BECAUSE they cant gt the 47 000 into the current ground you should learn the facts before you start critising other people.......
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!![/p][/quote]spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.[/p][/quote]And he thinks he's "telling it like it is".[/p][/quote]Thats why they are building a new stadium that holds 56 000!!!! BECAUSE they cant gt the 47 000 into the current ground you should learn the facts before you start critising other people....... GHamilton
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2:49pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

GHamilton wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
GHamilton wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!!
spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.
And he thinks he's "telling it like it is".
Thats why they are building a new stadium that holds 56 000!!!! BECAUSE they cant gt the 47 000 into the current ground you should learn the facts before you start critising other people.......
That's only Spurs. And it's in the future. How about the others? Perhaps you should consider the facts before telling other people what to do.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!![/p][/quote]spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.[/p][/quote]And he thinks he's "telling it like it is".[/p][/quote]Thats why they are building a new stadium that holds 56 000!!!! BECAUSE they cant gt the 47 000 into the current ground you should learn the facts before you start critising other people.......[/p][/quote]That's only Spurs. And it's in the future. How about the others? Perhaps you should consider the facts before telling other people what to do. Rising_Son
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3:56pm Fri 25 Apr 14

GHamilton says...

Rising_Son wrote:
GHamilton wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
GHamilton wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!!
spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.
And he thinks he's "telling it like it is".
Thats why they are building a new stadium that holds 56 000!!!! BECAUSE they cant gt the 47 000 into the current ground you should learn the facts before you start critising other people.......
That's only Spurs. And it's in the future. How about the others? Perhaps you should consider the facts before telling other people what to do.
You obviously dont understand what i'm saying... Spurs new ground will be complete in 2017 it 's a done deal. Chelsea don't need a new ground because they have RB to bankroll them, as he has done to the tune of around £1billion, Man City have been approved to extend the Etihad to over 60 000, Liverpool have been approved to expand to 58 000, Arsenal have over 60 000 now, and Man Utd have 75 000 now, just exactly how many more do you want ......these are all clubs we are competing against if are ever to get into europe from our position in the league, I amazed you cant seem to understand what were competing aganst.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!![/p][/quote]spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.[/p][/quote]And he thinks he's "telling it like it is".[/p][/quote]Thats why they are building a new stadium that holds 56 000!!!! BECAUSE they cant gt the 47 000 into the current ground you should learn the facts before you start critising other people.......[/p][/quote]That's only Spurs. And it's in the future. How about the others? Perhaps you should consider the facts before telling other people what to do.[/p][/quote]You obviously dont understand what i'm saying... Spurs new ground will be complete in 2017 it 's a done deal. Chelsea don't need a new ground because they have RB to bankroll them, as he has done to the tune of around £1billion, Man City have been approved to extend the Etihad to over 60 000, Liverpool have been approved to expand to 58 000, Arsenal have over 60 000 now, and Man Utd have 75 000 now, just exactly how many more do you want ......these are all clubs we are competing against if are ever to get into europe from our position in the league, I amazed you cant seem to understand what were competing aganst. GHamilton
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4:29pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

GHamilton wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
GHamilton wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
GHamilton wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!!
spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.
And he thinks he's "telling it like it is".
Thats why they are building a new stadium that holds 56 000!!!! BECAUSE they cant gt the 47 000 into the current ground you should learn the facts before you start critising other people.......
That's only Spurs. And it's in the future. How about the others? Perhaps you should consider the facts before telling other people what to do.
You obviously dont understand what i'm saying... Spurs new ground will be complete in 2017 it 's a done deal. Chelsea don't need a new ground because they have RB to bankroll them, as he has done to the tune of around £1billion, Man City have been approved to extend the Etihad to over 60 000, Liverpool have been approved to expand to 58 000, Arsenal have over 60 000 now, and Man Utd have 75 000 now, just exactly how many more do you want ......these are all clubs we are competing against if are ever to get into europe from our position in the league, I amazed you cant seem to understand what were competing aganst.
Until you actually say it, it is bit difficult to understand what you are saying.

"these are all clubs we are competing against if are ever to get into europe from our position in the league". Yep, these are the teams we are competing with, and it doesn't particularly matter what size their grounds are. They have a lot of financial muscle irrespective ground capacity.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!![/p][/quote]spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.[/p][/quote]And he thinks he's "telling it like it is".[/p][/quote]Thats why they are building a new stadium that holds 56 000!!!! BECAUSE they cant gt the 47 000 into the current ground you should learn the facts before you start critising other people.......[/p][/quote]That's only Spurs. And it's in the future. How about the others? Perhaps you should consider the facts before telling other people what to do.[/p][/quote]You obviously dont understand what i'm saying... Spurs new ground will be complete in 2017 it 's a done deal. Chelsea don't need a new ground because they have RB to bankroll them, as he has done to the tune of around £1billion, Man City have been approved to extend the Etihad to over 60 000, Liverpool have been approved to expand to 58 000, Arsenal have over 60 000 now, and Man Utd have 75 000 now, just exactly how many more do you want ......these are all clubs we are competing against if are ever to get into europe from our position in the league, I amazed you cant seem to understand what were competing aganst.[/p][/quote]Until you actually say it, it is bit difficult to understand what you are saying. "these are all clubs we are competing against if are ever to get into europe from our position in the league". Yep, these are the teams we are competing with, and it doesn't particularly matter what size their grounds are. They have a lot of financial muscle irrespective ground capacity. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

4:43pm Fri 25 Apr 14

GHamilton says...

El Cabalo.....I 've just read your original post again after you slated my first comment. You suggest that it would be a good idea to increase capacity at SMS to 40 000 ......... BUT ONLY IF WE 'RE PLAYING WELL,..... thats just great that is. I can just imagine 50 000 Newcastle fans thinking like that , ah a'way man, i'll no bother going cos we 're noo playin well like!!!!....
El Cabalo.....I 've just read your original post again after you slated my first comment. You suggest that it would be a good idea to increase capacity at SMS to 40 000 ......... BUT ONLY IF WE 'RE PLAYING WELL,..... thats just great that is. I can just imagine 50 000 Newcastle fans thinking like that , ah a'way man, i'll no bother going cos we 're noo playin well like!!!!.... GHamilton
  • Score: 1

4:59pm Fri 25 Apr 14

GHamilton says...

Rising_Son wrote:
GHamilton wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
GHamilton wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
GHamilton wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!!
spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.
And he thinks he's "telling it like it is".
Thats why they are building a new stadium that holds 56 000!!!! BECAUSE they cant gt the 47 000 into the current ground you should learn the facts before you start critising other people.......
That's only Spurs. And it's in the future. How about the others? Perhaps you should consider the facts before telling other people what to do.
You obviously dont understand what i'm saying... Spurs new ground will be complete in 2017 it 's a done deal. Chelsea don't need a new ground because they have RB to bankroll them, as he has done to the tune of around £1billion, Man City have been approved to extend the Etihad to over 60 000, Liverpool have been approved to expand to 58 000, Arsenal have over 60 000 now, and Man Utd have 75 000 now, just exactly how many more do you want ......these are all clubs we are competing against if are ever to get into europe from our position in the league, I amazed you cant seem to understand what were competing aganst.
Until you actually say it, it is bit difficult to understand what you are saying. "these are all clubs we are competing against if are ever to get into europe from our position in the league". Yep, these are the teams we are competing with, and it doesn't particularly matter what size their grounds are. They have a lot of financial muscle irrespective ground capacity.
With the greatest respect , i think you will find it does matter, big grounds mean big revenues.... when you fill em; big revenues mean big wages, big wages attract big name players. Right now a top signing for us would be the less than happy it seems Mr Luca Podolski; he's on a £100k a week.....what chance do you think we have of getting him to St Marys?
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!![/p][/quote]spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.[/p][/quote]And he thinks he's "telling it like it is".[/p][/quote]Thats why they are building a new stadium that holds 56 000!!!! BECAUSE they cant gt the 47 000 into the current ground you should learn the facts before you start critising other people.......[/p][/quote]That's only Spurs. And it's in the future. How about the others? Perhaps you should consider the facts before telling other people what to do.[/p][/quote]You obviously dont understand what i'm saying... Spurs new ground will be complete in 2017 it 's a done deal. Chelsea don't need a new ground because they have RB to bankroll them, as he has done to the tune of around £1billion, Man City have been approved to extend the Etihad to over 60 000, Liverpool have been approved to expand to 58 000, Arsenal have over 60 000 now, and Man Utd have 75 000 now, just exactly how many more do you want ......these are all clubs we are competing against if are ever to get into europe from our position in the league, I amazed you cant seem to understand what were competing aganst.[/p][/quote]Until you actually say it, it is bit difficult to understand what you are saying. "these are all clubs we are competing against if are ever to get into europe from our position in the league". Yep, these are the teams we are competing with, and it doesn't particularly matter what size their grounds are. They have a lot of financial muscle irrespective ground capacity.[/p][/quote]With the greatest respect , i think you will find it does matter, big grounds mean big revenues.... when you fill em; big revenues mean big wages, big wages attract big name players. Right now a top signing for us would be the less than happy it seems Mr Luca Podolski; he's on a £100k a week.....what chance do you think we have of getting him to St Marys? GHamilton
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5:10pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

GHamilton wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
GHamilton wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
GHamilton wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
GHamilton wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!!
spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.
And he thinks he's "telling it like it is".
Thats why they are building a new stadium that holds 56 000!!!! BECAUSE they cant gt the 47 000 into the current ground you should learn the facts before you start critising other people.......
That's only Spurs. And it's in the future. How about the others? Perhaps you should consider the facts before telling other people what to do.
You obviously dont understand what i'm saying... Spurs new ground will be complete in 2017 it 's a done deal. Chelsea don't need a new ground because they have RB to bankroll them, as he has done to the tune of around £1billion, Man City have been approved to extend the Etihad to over 60 000, Liverpool have been approved to expand to 58 000, Arsenal have over 60 000 now, and Man Utd have 75 000 now, just exactly how many more do you want ......these are all clubs we are competing against if are ever to get into europe from our position in the league, I amazed you cant seem to understand what were competing aganst.
Until you actually say it, it is bit difficult to understand what you are saying. "these are all clubs we are competing against if are ever to get into europe from our position in the league". Yep, these are the teams we are competing with, and it doesn't particularly matter what size their grounds are. They have a lot of financial muscle irrespective ground capacity.
With the greatest respect , i think you will find it does matter, big grounds mean big revenues.... when you fill em; big revenues mean big wages, big wages attract big name players. Right now a top signing for us would be the less than happy it seems Mr Luca Podolski; he's on a £100k a week.....what chance do you think we have of getting him to St Marys?
If it is true that big grounds mean big revenues, how did most of these teams get to where they are with their currently 'small' grounds? A more plausible answer is TV revenues and owner investment. I think the data clearly show that gate money is relatively small compared to TV money.

I don't know what motivates Podolski, but, if he's motivated by money, he might come if we offered him £150k a week. I doubt very much that he chose to go to Arsenal because their ground holds 60,000.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!![/p][/quote]spurs have 47k season ticket holders? how do they fit them all into the 36.2k capacity white hart lane? spurs capacity is only 4k more than ours. chelskis capacity is 8k more than ours. evertons capacity is 7k more than ours. villas capacity is 10k more than ours. yes we need to increase our capacity at sms but there is little point if the team aren't playing well. play good attractive football to get the numbers in, then increase the stadium (40k) then we have more spending power.[/p][/quote]And he thinks he's "telling it like it is".[/p][/quote]Thats why they are building a new stadium that holds 56 000!!!! BECAUSE they cant gt the 47 000 into the current ground you should learn the facts before you start critising other people.......[/p][/quote]That's only Spurs. And it's in the future. How about the others? Perhaps you should consider the facts before telling other people what to do.[/p][/quote]You obviously dont understand what i'm saying... Spurs new ground will be complete in 2017 it 's a done deal. Chelsea don't need a new ground because they have RB to bankroll them, as he has done to the tune of around £1billion, Man City have been approved to extend the Etihad to over 60 000, Liverpool have been approved to expand to 58 000, Arsenal have over 60 000 now, and Man Utd have 75 000 now, just exactly how many more do you want ......these are all clubs we are competing against if are ever to get into europe from our position in the league, I amazed you cant seem to understand what were competing aganst.[/p][/quote]Until you actually say it, it is bit difficult to understand what you are saying. "these are all clubs we are competing against if are ever to get into europe from our position in the league". Yep, these are the teams we are competing with, and it doesn't particularly matter what size their grounds are. They have a lot of financial muscle irrespective ground capacity.[/p][/quote]With the greatest respect , i think you will find it does matter, big grounds mean big revenues.... when you fill em; big revenues mean big wages, big wages attract big name players. Right now a top signing for us would be the less than happy it seems Mr Luca Podolski; he's on a £100k a week.....what chance do you think we have of getting him to St Marys?[/p][/quote]If it is true that big grounds mean big revenues, how did most of these teams get to where they are with their currently 'small' grounds? A more plausible answer is TV revenues and owner investment. I think the data clearly show that gate money is relatively small compared to TV money. I don't know what motivates Podolski, but, if he's motivated by money, he might come if we offered him £150k a week. I doubt very much that he chose to go to Arsenal because their ground holds 60,000. Rising_Son
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5:29pm Fri 25 Apr 14

GHamilton says...

Ok Rising Son, we think a bit differently on this. I don't know how old you are, but i'll finish with this.... back in the 1970's, the great Dutch player Johann Cruyff arrived at the Camp Nou in Barcelona, as he looked up at the
stadium from the pitch he was heard to say to a press guy standing a few feet away.... oh man, ive just gotta play here.
Ok Rising Son, we think a bit differently on this. I don't know how old you are, but i'll finish with this.... back in the 1970's, the great Dutch player Johann Cruyff arrived at the Camp Nou in Barcelona, as he looked up at the stadium from the pitch he was heard to say to a press guy standing a few feet away.... oh man, ive just gotta play here. GHamilton
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1:45am Sat 26 Apr 14

Rising_Son says...

GHamilton wrote:
Ok Rising Son, we think a bit differently on this. I don't know how old you are, but i'll finish with this.... back in the 1970's, the great Dutch player Johann Cruyff arrived at the Camp Nou in Barcelona, as he looked up at the
stadium from the pitch he was heard to say to a press guy standing a few feet away.... oh man, ive just gotta play here.
I'm old enough to remember going to Villa Park in 1963 for the FA Cup semifinal and thinking, 'I wish we had a ground like this'.

I'm optimistic. We'll get a bigger ground in the not too distant future.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: Ok Rising Son, we think a bit differently on this. I don't know how old you are, but i'll finish with this.... back in the 1970's, the great Dutch player Johann Cruyff arrived at the Camp Nou in Barcelona, as he looked up at the stadium from the pitch he was heard to say to a press guy standing a few feet away.... oh man, ive just gotta play here.[/p][/quote]I'm old enough to remember going to Villa Park in 1963 for the FA Cup semifinal and thinking, 'I wish we had a ground like this'. I'm optimistic. We'll get a bigger ground in the not too distant future. Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

9:59am Sat 26 Apr 14

george chivers says...

GHamilton wrote:
I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley.

I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!!
Perfect response to a realistic article by the DE. Not a negative article a truthful one. Your tooth fairy analogy is correct and so is your analysis and conclusion. It's just a pity the FA Cup has been devalued and trivialised by the PL and the FA doesn't have the balls to stand up to them and turn it back into a great competition again.

But as always on here realism will get marked down by sentimental dreamers who think there is a magic wand that can be waved over St Mary's which will turn us into the most successful club in the world. The truth is it isn't going to happen.
[quote][p][bold]GHamilton[/bold] wrote: I think telling it like it is seems to offend a lot of people on this forum. A lot of them still seem to believe in the tooth fairy, with talk of Europe.....even Champios League for **** sake. We have had a great season, mared only by a dubious decision not to go all out for the FA Cup, a decision that riled a lot of Saints fans. This should be our aim in the coming years; to consolidate our place midtable in the Premier League and go all out for domestic trophys and Cup Final days at Wembley. I know many will want to disagree, but we are already punching above our weight in the league.....all the clubs above us have much bigger fan bases (Liverpool 30 000 on clubs weighting list...Spurs with 47 000 season ticket holders), add to that the spending power of club like Chelsea, Man City, and the top four spots are accounted for; which leave us competing with the likes of Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd for whats left. Our Stadium's too small to attract realy big name players to our club even assuming we could pay them the wages. KL may be a very wealthy woman but to get us to where the big boys are she'd have to spend like Abramowich....and there's no way she's doing that. I'm hopeing we can keep our star players for next season.....but i fear the coming tranfer window could be like leading your little six year old through a toy shop without them seeing something they like. Here's to a great season ahead, heres to more of 76!![/p][/quote]Perfect response to a realistic article by the DE. Not a negative article a truthful one. Your tooth fairy analogy is correct and so is your analysis and conclusion. It's just a pity the FA Cup has been devalued and trivialised by the PL and the FA doesn't have the balls to stand up to them and turn it back into a great competition again. But as always on here realism will get marked down by sentimental dreamers who think there is a magic wand that can be waved over St Mary's which will turn us into the most successful club in the world. The truth is it isn't going to happen. george chivers
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